When you are printing your photos do you experiment with the rendering intents and, if so, how do you make your decision, by soft proofing or by making prints with each intent? Also, if you'd like to see more videos relating to printing let me know that as well, in the comments below.
This is a great video filled with so much helpful info! We are really interested in getting a printer and cannot wait to re-watch this when we have our printer.
Glad you guys found it helpful. I have been using a wide format printer for some time and really enjoy making prints. Let me know if I can help you out with anything. I have used both Epson and Canon printers.
This is good information, Howard. You might point out that this can also be done in Lightroom using the same soft proofing technique. Flipping back and forth between the two rendering intents clearly shows the difference and helps in making the best selection. Most of my images are black & white, so either intent works fine, but for my color work the soft proof view is the way to go.
Thanks Ed! And that's a very good point. You can do the same thing from Lightroom as well. I'm so used to printing from Photoshop, which I have been doing since the pre-Lightroom era, that I sometimes forget that more people probably print from Lightroom than Photoshop these days. I will have to remember that for the future. Thanks for taking the time to comment.
This is a great video with great explanation. Thank you! Is there a way to see what parts of the image (colours) are out of gamut without having to compare soft proofing samples? Is there a graph that shows where your colours are outside the triangle? I would think that it would be beneficial to adjust certain colours pre-print (e.g. I'm poing to fix the reds myself but let photoshop automatically correct the greens)
Thanks so much for commenting Paul. To view out of gamut colors you can go to the Photoshop toolbar and View> Gamut Warning and out of gamut colors will be highlighted on the image in default gray. If none show up just boost your saturation way up and you will see the gray appear if the gamut warning is left on. I personally don’t use this much but there are many who do!
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 📷 Introduction to Rendering Intent - Understanding the importance of rendering intent in printing photographs. - Printer driver prompts the choice of rendering intent before printing. - Overview of the two primary rendering intents: relative colorimetric and perceptual. 03:37 🎨 Color Gamut and Rendering Intent - Explanation of the color gamut, representing the range of colors a printer can reproduce. - Different printers have varying color reproduction capabilities. - Introduction to in-gamut and out-of-gamut colors, influencing rendering intent choices. 06:53 🖼️ Understanding Relative Colorimetric and Perceptual Rendering - Detailed comparison of relative colorimetric and perceptual rendering intents. - Relative colorimetric maintains in-gamut colors but may lose color contrast. - Perceptual rendering adjusts all colors for a smoother transition but can lead to desaturation. 07:59 🔄 Soft Proofing and Rendering Intent - Introduction to soft proofing in Photoshop for evaluating rendering intents. - Demonstration using hyper-saturated images to exaggerate differences. - Highlighting differences in soft proofing between relative colorimetric and perceptual rendering. 10:31 🖨️ Printing with Different Rendering Intents - Setting up soft proofing for real-life image on Ilford gold fiber silk paper. - Printing and comparing results with relative colorimetric and perceptual rendering. - Emphasizing the importance of visual inspection for nuanced differences. 13:52 🔍 Visual Comparison of Prints - Visual comparison of prints using a color-corrected viewing box. - Acknowledgment of the challenge in perceiving differences through video. - Emphasizing the role of soft proofing in making informed decisions about rendering intent. Made with HARPA AI
My understanding is that it is used to make one printer look like another by reproducing colors based on the reference white point of the source printer. It’s not something generally useful in making the best prints you can as it can only simulate a printer with a smaller color gamut.
Excellent video, thanks... strangely, though, to my eyes anyway, it seemed that the RC final print had a more "perceptual look" to it in that the transitions within the greens of the trees seemed smoother and less contrasty, whereas the Perceptual final print had more contrast between the lighter greens and darker greens... i thought that RC rendering should give the colors more contrast, since only out of gamut colors shift (and in gamut stays the same), whereas the perceptual rendering would have to shift all colors/desaturate in order to preserve original color relationships... am i understanding everything correctly, or was there something else going on here?
Great question and one that is difficult to wrap my head around. I think the answer may lie in exactly how much of the green was out of gamut to start with, which would determine how much/many of the greens needed shifting. Also desaturation, I don't think, necessarily results in decreased contrast (though it may give that appearance) as contrast per se is just tonal. But I find it very hard to previsualize the expected result just by the definition of what the rendering intent is supposed to do, which is why I find it very helpful to use the Photoshop soft-proofing to give me an idea of how the differing rendering intents will generally look. I hope that is helpful. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Hi Eugene. First you can make a duplicate of the image and then go to (on the PS toolbar) View>Proof Setup and choose your desired printer profile and rendering intent. Then go to View>Gamut Warning and the out of gamut colors will highlight in gray.
I know this is probably an immensely dumb question but does soft proofing actually change the file in any way? Eg does applying a soft proof change the printed outcome of a non-proofed file if you don't change the printer settings?
Hi Jennifer...sorry I missed your question. The answer us that I’m not entirely certain because that’s not how I personally do it in my workflow. What I usually do is make a copy of the image using Image>Duplicate and then apply the soft proof to that. If I want to work on the image in the soft proof mode to change it I might make a curve or whatever I want and then drag that curve over to the ‘real image’ as a top layer I would only use for printing. Then I would just close and not save the soft proofed version. It’s just how I’ve always done it.
When you are printing your photos do you experiment with the rendering intents and, if so, how do you make your decision, by soft proofing or by making prints with each intent? Also, if you'd like to see more videos relating to printing let me know that as well, in the comments below.
Thanks. Just getting back into Inkjet/Giclee after about 15 years or so and it's a nice refresher!
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks Howard for taking the time to make these videos!!
jorge de sousa I’m glad you like them and appreciate your commenting and subscribing! Thanks.
Excellent, very detailed information, thank you for sharing.
My pleasure. Glad it was helpful!
This is a great video filled with so much helpful info! We are really interested in getting a printer and cannot wait to re-watch this when we have our printer.
Glad you guys found it helpful. I have been using a wide format printer for some time and really enjoy making prints. Let me know if I can help you out with anything. I have used both Epson and Canon printers.
Very informative Howard, I’ve learned a good few tips in your video, that I’ll be carrying forward into my own work flow. Thanks you
Thanks Steven, glad it was useful!
This is good information, Howard. You might point out that this can also be done in Lightroom using the same soft proofing technique. Flipping back and forth between the two rendering intents clearly shows the difference and helps in making the best selection. Most of my images are black & white, so either intent works fine, but for my color work the soft proof view is the way to go.
Thanks Ed! And that's a very good point. You can do the same thing from Lightroom as well. I'm so used to printing from Photoshop, which I have been doing since the pre-Lightroom era, that I sometimes forget that more people probably print from Lightroom than Photoshop these days. I will have to remember that for the future. Thanks for taking the time to comment.
good vdo!!!! thank you.
You’re welcome!
This is a great video with great explanation. Thank you! Is there a way to see what parts of the image (colours) are out of gamut without having to compare soft proofing samples? Is there a graph that shows where your colours are outside the triangle? I would think that it would be beneficial to adjust certain colours pre-print (e.g. I'm poing to fix the reds myself but let photoshop automatically correct the greens)
Thanks so much for commenting Paul. To view out of gamut colors you can go to the Photoshop toolbar and View> Gamut Warning and out of gamut colors will be highlighted on the image in default gray. If none show up just boost your saturation way up and you will see the gray appear if the gamut warning is left on. I personally don’t use this much but there are many who do!
@@howardgrillphotography2280 Thank you!
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 📷 Introduction to Rendering Intent
- Understanding the importance of rendering intent in printing photographs.
- Printer driver prompts the choice of rendering intent before printing.
- Overview of the two primary rendering intents: relative colorimetric and perceptual.
03:37 🎨 Color Gamut and Rendering Intent
- Explanation of the color gamut, representing the range of colors a printer can reproduce.
- Different printers have varying color reproduction capabilities.
- Introduction to in-gamut and out-of-gamut colors, influencing rendering intent choices.
06:53 🖼️ Understanding Relative Colorimetric and Perceptual Rendering
- Detailed comparison of relative colorimetric and perceptual rendering intents.
- Relative colorimetric maintains in-gamut colors but may lose color contrast.
- Perceptual rendering adjusts all colors for a smoother transition but can lead to desaturation.
07:59 🔄 Soft Proofing and Rendering Intent
- Introduction to soft proofing in Photoshop for evaluating rendering intents.
- Demonstration using hyper-saturated images to exaggerate differences.
- Highlighting differences in soft proofing between relative colorimetric and perceptual rendering.
10:31 🖨️ Printing with Different Rendering Intents
- Setting up soft proofing for real-life image on Ilford gold fiber silk paper.
- Printing and comparing results with relative colorimetric and perceptual rendering.
- Emphasizing the importance of visual inspection for nuanced differences.
13:52 🔍 Visual Comparison of Prints
- Visual comparison of prints using a color-corrected viewing box.
- Acknowledgment of the challenge in perceiving differences through video.
- Emphasizing the role of soft proofing in making informed decisions about rendering intent.
Made with HARPA AI
Can you explain what absolute rendering intent is?
My understanding is that it is used to make one printer look like another by reproducing colors based on the reference white point of the source printer. It’s not something generally useful in making the best prints you can as it can only simulate a printer with a smaller color gamut.
Excellent video, thanks... strangely, though, to my eyes anyway, it seemed that the RC final print had a more "perceptual look" to it in that the transitions within the greens of the trees seemed smoother and less contrasty, whereas the Perceptual final print had more contrast between the lighter greens and darker greens... i thought that RC rendering should give the colors more contrast, since only out of gamut colors shift (and in gamut stays the same), whereas the perceptual rendering would have to shift all colors/desaturate in order to preserve original color relationships... am i understanding everything correctly, or was there something else going on here?
Great question and one that is difficult to wrap my head around. I think the answer may lie in exactly how much of the green was out of gamut to start with, which would determine how much/many of the greens needed shifting. Also desaturation, I don't think, necessarily results in decreased contrast (though it may give that appearance) as contrast per se is just tonal. But I find it very hard to previsualize the expected result just by the definition of what the rendering intent is supposed to do, which is why I find it very helpful to use the Photoshop soft-proofing to give me an idea of how the differing rendering intents will generally look. I hope that is helpful. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@howardgrillphotography2280 i see.. that would make sense.. thanks for the explanation
how to let photoshop show the out of gamut colour area base on the rendering option selected?
Hi Eugene. First you can make a duplicate of the image and then go to (on the PS toolbar) View>Proof Setup and choose your desired printer profile and rendering intent. Then go to View>Gamut Warning and the out of gamut colors will highlight in gray.
If everything is in gamut, is there a difference between the two rendering intents? Thanks
Hi David. I’m not a color science expert but I don’t believe there will be a difference.
I know this is probably an immensely dumb question but does soft proofing actually change the file in any way? Eg does applying a soft proof change the printed outcome of a non-proofed file if you don't change the printer settings?
Hi Jennifer...sorry I missed your question. The answer us that I’m not entirely certain because that’s not how I personally do it in my workflow. What I usually do is make a copy of the image using Image>Duplicate and then apply the soft proof to that. If I want to work on the image in the soft proof mode to change it I might make a curve or whatever I want and then drag that curve over to the ‘real image’ as a top layer I would only use for printing. Then I would just close and not save the soft proofed version. It’s just how I’ve always done it.
Oh, and not a dumb question at all!