Its quite impressive that thorns can assign multiple roles such as a healer, caster or a hexer supporter along with many ways of using his skill set in various game modes IS, RA2 and SSS
Saw someone kinda upset that Thorns Alter is Support. Then I see this shit with his S2 lol. Thorns is no different from Reedalter, heck he's probably even better in certain aspects
Nice showcase! That's really impressive range on his skill and surprisingly good damage too I also enjoy seeing you giving Thorns head pats with the cursor, that's quite funny
@@dalgona4819 RN it is 90% uptime for s2. Now imagine if you could have 110% uptime for s2 for example. It allows you to stack double dot and hot for a short time without losing out on the active device at any point. Additionally, currently the max aoe is only for a few seconds. If you increase the duration then the device will be at the huge range for far longer. Beyond s2, s3 uptime is not as high but this is an extremely strong debuff to enemy defense and res. If you can make the duration of this skill near 100% then you will have a very insane debuff for almost the whole stage.
The overall stats of this skill are not that insane, like ~1k arts dps and ~100 hps. The AOE size is the obvious kicker here, but tbh this is only useful if there are actually enemies spread that far. The real secret of this skill, the real gem here, is 90% uptime. That is absurd, 1k dps and 100 enmity healing in that large of an area for 90% of the entire stage? Wow.
@@Khroniclas also consider that you have the freedom to just use both charges whenever you want for double the damage and double the regeneration at the cost of a bit of extra downtime.
@Lulu_Gaming1025 alright thanks for the suggestion, also one of my considerations for Saria is that she can tank Arts pretty well, can Bassline be a good alternative to her if I decide to just pick Thorns?
Indeed, for an archetype that is quite new, he already fits some roles, especially since his skill recharges right after casting because his throwable has their own count (?) Also quick question does his throwable stats can be buffed with buffers, like skalter?
@@chesteran5719 His throwable doesn't have its own stats. The throwable deals damage and heals based off of Thorns ATK. So if you buff thorns, then the throwable will be buffed as well
Only his survivability is a problem (alchemist hp stats are really low). Offensive wise, not really. His skills dealing arts damage means that it doesn't really matter how high his attack are since it always gets reduced proportionally. If anything else, him dealing continuous DOT type arts damage means he has deceptively high damage per skill (iirc his S3 has like 50k damage, and that's on an true AOE while also debuffing the enemy to hell and back)
Think of him as the same as trapmasters, they have low stats to compensate the fact they create additional things that also deal damage/utility. And just as trapmaster his deployable thingies have crazy high multipliers that more than make up for his low base stats.
That's because s2 is not what you use when you _really_ want to do damage. Plus it's also giving regeneration to everyone in its range, that's a big part of it.
Ah yes. Because with a support like Thorns alter, his S2 should've been a DPS delete button. Great thinking. Especially with that type of range. Every enemy should've immediately died to a 20 SP cost skill from a support unit that has a range bigger than Wisadel.
@@A1D7 It is still a pretty good skill. Crazy good uptime, huge range, health regen (which can heal Enmty units as well), healing *reduction* to enemies, Arts DoT.
I don't think I'd pull him. He's a trash mob killer and his competitions are Archetto, Passenger and Reed alter S3. And, they do the same job or even better than him.
Comparing to Archetto or Passenger who main stuff is DPS is crazy (except for Reed, she is a league on her own ig), Passenger at most can spend his life restore his big SP when Thorns literally can spam his S2 killing enemy left and right and Archetto can't even shred high def enemies nowadays. Thorns is litterally the hybrid of support and dps, his job is not only trash mob killer, there are a bunch of OP who already can do that (while he can instant heal enmity op better than Bard, his s3 can decrease def, res, atk, which made his dot can even shred a group of enemy or even bosses easier . Imagine that shamare but more vip
@@anhdotram5947 we're fr reaching abysmally low levels of "EN can't read" *Video title:* "here's a showcase of this one skill specifically." *Illiterate subject:* "that's the only thing he can do!?"
@@obsiangravel Reed reduces Atk by 20% and inflicts 30% arts fragility with Cinder, Thorns at S3M3 at max stacks reduces ATK by 30% and Def and Res by 50%, clearly Thorns is the weaker one here, we all know lower numbers equals better performance 🧠
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Ohh! Talent 2 is why certain lines of tiles glow when he is deployed. Translations have been kind of slow so glad to finally have them.
Its quite impressive that thorns can assign multiple roles such as a healer, caster or a hexer supporter along with many ways of using his skill set in various game modes IS, RA2 and SSS
Saw someone kinda upset that Thorns Alter is Support. Then I see this shit with his S2 lol. Thorns is no different from Reedalter, heck he's probably even better in certain aspects
Nice showcase! That's really impressive range on his skill and surprisingly good damage too
I also enjoy seeing you giving Thorns head pats with the cursor, that's quite funny
His skill 2 is what passengers skill 3 shoulda been. Imagine. The ever expanding storm.
If thorns can get alter I bet passenger will definitely get his alter too I just hope😮😮😮
he's like the compression of many characters but mostly the good ones are taken
Oh man i can already imagine how busted he'll be with a module ☠️
Lowkey hope the metasIaves keep calling him mid and unnecessary so the devs give him the Viviana treatment.
Extra device uptime from talent would be insanely good.
@@Khroniclas how come? I'm pretty sure ppl already mentioned that he got near 100%
@@dalgona4819 RN it is 90% uptime for s2.
Now imagine if you could have 110% uptime for s2 for example. It allows you to stack double dot and hot for a short time without losing out on the active device at any point.
Additionally, currently the max aoe is only for a few seconds. If you increase the duration then the device will be at the huge range for far longer.
Beyond s2, s3 uptime is not as high but this is an extremely strong debuff to enemy defense and res. If you can make the duration of this skill near 100% then you will have a very insane debuff for almost the whole stage.
The overall stats of this skill are not that insane, like ~1k arts dps and ~100 hps. The AOE size is the obvious kicker here, but tbh this is only useful if there are actually enemies spread that far.
The real secret of this skill, the real gem here, is 90% uptime. That is absurd, 1k dps and 100 enmity healing in that large of an area for 90% of the entire stage? Wow.
@@Khroniclas also consider that you have the freedom to just use both charges whenever you want for double the damage and double the regeneration at the cost of a bit of extra downtime.
The head pats
That Thorn S2 almost have 100% up time
With ptilopsis, its no longer almost
@GHP1991 Oh you know what i mean
Ngl, this showcasee made me interested to both Thorns and Saria😂...Who should I pick in the free selector
Personally get thorns,saria is replaceable even with s2 since we got alot of op healers already both free and from 5 stars
@Lulu_Gaming1025 alright thanks for the suggestion, also one of my considerations for Saria is that she can tank Arts pretty well, can Bassline be a good alternative to her if I decide to just pick Thorns?
@@FuryGXyes, Bassline is pretty much what would happen if Nearl and Nightingale had a yuri baby
@@obsiangravel As a Followers fan this is canon to me from now on
From 1-10,how good is this guy in your opinion?
a solid 8 tbh
I'd say he's a solid 8 or 9. He doesn't really have any flaws and he's very good at what he does
Indeed, for an archetype that is quite new, he already fits some roles, especially since his skill recharges right after casting because his throwable has their own count (?)
Also quick question does his throwable stats can be buffed with buffers, like skalter?
@@chesteran5719 His throwable doesn't have its own stats. The throwable deals damage and heals based off of Thorns ATK. So if you buff thorns, then the throwable will be buffed as well
@@DeathRusherYT Now, that sounds fun, any chance there will be demonstration on how he can be used in IS (Funny buffs)?
did he will come to global around desember next years?
He will come to global after 5-6 months. So around May or June
@@DeathRusherYT i think i have time to making save
Are Thorns' bad stats a problem?
Only his survivability is a problem (alchemist hp stats are really low). Offensive wise, not really. His skills dealing arts damage means that it doesn't really matter how high his attack are since it always gets reduced proportionally. If anything else, him dealing continuous DOT type arts damage means he has deceptively high damage per skill (iirc his S3 has like 50k damage, and that's on an true AOE while also debuffing the enemy to hell and back)
Think of him as the same as trapmasters, they have low stats to compensate the fact they create additional things that also deal damage/utility. And just as trapmaster his deployable thingies have crazy high multipliers that more than make up for his low base stats.
He honestly seems extremely mediocre, at least on s2.
That's because s2 is not what you use when you _really_ want to do damage. Plus it's also giving regeneration to everyone in its range, that's a big part of it.
Ah yes. Because with a support like Thorns alter, his S2 should've been a DPS delete button. Great thinking. Especially with that type of range. Every enemy should've immediately died to a 20 SP cost skill from a support unit that has a range bigger than Wisadel.
@@JoseAguirre-dz2te i mean, it’s a pretty good skill for two years ago.
@@A1D7 It is still a pretty good skill. Crazy good uptime, huge range, health regen (which can heal Enmty units as well), healing *reduction* to enemies, Arts DoT.
I don't think I'd pull him. He's a trash mob killer and his competitions are Archetto, Passenger and Reed alter S3. And, they do the same job or even better than him.
Blud forgot he has a skill 3 💀. Also good luck trying to heal enmity with reed alter, or healing whatsoever with the other two.
Comparing to Archetto or Passenger who main stuff is DPS is crazy (except for Reed, she is a league on her own ig), Passenger at most can spend his life restore his big SP when Thorns literally can spam his S2 killing enemy left and right and Archetto can't even shred high def enemies nowadays. Thorns is litterally the hybrid of support and dps, his job is not only trash mob killer, there are a bunch of OP who already can do that (while he can instant heal enmity op better than Bard, his s3 can decrease def, res, atk, which made his dot can even shred a group of enemy or even bosses easier . Imagine that shamare but more vip
@@anhdotram5947 we're fr reaching abysmally low levels of "EN can't read"
*Video title:* "here's a showcase of this one skill specifically."
*Illiterate subject:* "that's the only thing he can do!?"
@@obsiangravel Reed reduces Atk by 20% and inflicts 30% arts fragility with Cinder, Thorns at S3M3 at max stacks reduces ATK by 30% and Def and Res by 50%, clearly Thorns is the weaker one here, we all know lower numbers equals better performance 🧠
Reed Alt: HEAL !