We Can't Keep Saying This I Glenn Loury and John McWhorter
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Does John not know about the embedded feds and the multitude of deceptions used to shape the narrative around that day? He really needs to do a deep dive because the information presented through media was about as honest as that around Floyd.
Glenn, I appreciate your nuanced defenses of white supremacy. You really put yourself into them. I can almost see you crying, you're so full of self-abnegating torment as you fulfill your duties.
Well said Glenn, some folks think violence can justify a lot of mayhem.
Shame on McWhorter. Many of us hate Obama and Biden, but we do NOT want to see them harmed. TDS much, John?
Thank you... I say the same things. The overall plan of the Democrats is to create a one party state like California. The intense rhetoric is how they do business. I've heard thats how Marxists try to flip governments to their favor.
Trump is far more of an existential threat to the Constitution than other Presidents, but you do have to choose words wisely!
I think the reasonable analysis is this: There were many people at The Capitol with a wide range of motives. Some of them genuinely had ambitions for a violent insurrection. Some were there to riot. And many of them just wanted to cause a scene and protest. We can't judge them all collectively.
Thanks Glenn for correcting John in both insurrection claim and threat of the life Donald Trump. I listen occasionally to your podcast, only because of my interest in economic. Inspired by the late Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell who's birthday 30 June, I can hardly believe he'll be 94. Wishing him an happy birthday. Looking forward to reading your new book.
Glenn corrected nothing. He incorrected it. He doesn't know what the word "insurrection" means.
For of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
What Glenn said at the beginning -- that a riot at the Capitol is not an insurrection -- was valid and valuable.
The extended lecture over John's expressed wish that Trump be assassinated, for which John apologized, less so.
There was no explicit apology, only regret. And the regret expressed was only for having said this on The Glenn Show. It was rather mealy-mouthed.
The fact that the Trumptards were incompetent doesn't change the fact that they sought to overturn a democratically-elected government.
They were seeking to create a pretext for military intervention but were unsuccessful.
Funny how all the pseudo-intelligent rightists--er, "centrists"--here fail to see this.
Sure it was an insurrection. Look the word up. Compare the word to what actually took place.
@@profd65 As Glenn Lowry pointed out, the riot at the Capitol building had no pretentions to overthrow the government. Your comment, telling the person with whom you disagree, to "look it up", is a failure to respond, not an argument.
I think many people were just there to protest. Some were there to riot. And a few genuinely had ambitions for a violent insurrection. We can't judge them all collectively.
If Trump started it why hasn't the Machine charged him with insurrection?
John?
There is indeed a legal process on-going for Trump and January 6th. But Trump has judges and so-called justices running interference for him. The process is rigged in his favor.
They did, you derp. He was literally impeached for insurrection.
Wasn't that the charge in the 2nd impeachment?
@@gandydancer9710 nope.
@@SteeleHand Not strong on facts, are you? The article of impeachment against Trump the second time around was for "incitement of insurrection".
I like John. However, hearing this, I think this makes John a worse person than Trump. This is pure hate. I though he implied that on your last show, however, I wasn't sure.
After this I may be through listening to john.
At least John took accountability and can admit that he was wrong, which is something most people (particularly public figures) won’t do, as to prevent the death of their ego.
You’re correct. Sadly John did not apologize. He meant what he said. Makes me change my opinion of John. Sadly. @@brittneywitherspoon8530
@@brittneywitherspoon8530 He said he was wrong for saying it publicly but that he might keep saying it privately.
John worse than Trump? What a f*cking joke. As though Trump has never hated or wished death on someone.
The executive branch working with private organizations regularly engages in authoritarian actions with the approval of the judicial and legislative branches. You have a lot more to be concerned about than either Biden or Trump.
Exactly Glenn.
Right on Glenn!!!
How does John's hate for Trump differ from what he calls religious believes? There's no point talking to him, and coming with facts, to change his mind either.
Got a cite where he dismisses "religious believes[sic- beliefs, I assume]"?
@@gandydancer9710 His books about woke is all about the parallel.
@@larreye8451 Saying that Woke is a religion is not the same as saying that religion is bunk. Do you have a quote?
Glenn.. give it to him good.. you’re close enough of a friend to do so.. don’t hold back.. I love your friend but …… oh wait, I spoke too soon…. Thank you Glenn!!! And John. Love u guys
I hope that I’m not seeing cracks in this friendship and partnership.
They've disagreed before, I can't recall any such occasion when McWhorter was right.
Trump’s simply the best president in my lifetime and may be the best last chance we have to save this country. The intention of the protest was to save the country
does anyone have the original video where McWhorter made the controversial remarks?
Its remarkable to me how so many people blindly and willfully ignore the jan 6 stuff. He clearly said the peaceful and patriotic bit. He never "incited an insurrection."
People getting all pearl clutchy over what John said like he gave the order need to get over it. There's been volatile political shit slinging going on for years now. Neither side can act like they have the moral high ground. John made a mistake. He knew this then and he definitely knows it now. Glenn and John challenge each other, that's the fun of the show. I can't wait to tune in for their next show.
I understand John's position, I feel the same way about Biden and most of the Democrats............John would have been a great Redcoat
i have the same problem with my brother. i tell him don't phone me just to laugh at trump's latest faux pas but he can't stop himself. he must get a charge out of condemning another person rather than think "there is where i would be but for the grace of god".
unfortunately, this changes my opinion of john, not for the better
There is more nuance to "insurrection" than Glenn asserts. I was active duty Air Force assigned to the Philippines in the mid-80s. I watched what was certainly an insurrection against Ferdinand Marcos brew and then erupt around me. I had personal access to Filipinos in the government as well as Filipinos on the street. That insurrection did involve taking over one radio station, but for the most part it was bloodless. What is more important is taking measure of all the surrounding conditions.
By that point, Marcos was detested by much of the population, and the rest was complacent. The military had also the mixture of predominantly complacency (they could go either way). The Philippine Air Force had turned against Marcos, the Philippine Marines were still for Marcos, but they were at the periphery of the island at the naval bases. Interesting thing we put together later: Many of us who had personal contact with Philippine Air Force members, from me to the US Air Force commanding general, had been asked this question: "What would the US military do if there were a popular people's rebellion against Marcos?" The answer was: "If it didn't threaten us, we would take no sides." It was the Philippine Air Force commander who first broke ranks and turned against Marcos.
Ultimately, the Philippine army was more _for the people_ than it was for Marcos, and when the Philippine army came face to face with ordinary people in the streets...the army blinked. The soldiers said, "Nah, I have to go back home one day," and refused to fire on their own people.
I certainly believe that kind of insurrection is possible in the US.
Broken.
I am genuinely surprised and profoundly disappointed in John.
It has always bothered me that the word "insurrection" has become synonymous with the Jan 6th protest. It has become so, due in large part to the media's insistence on continuing to use the word and hearing John use it in the same context bothers me. Language matters. We use it to not only convey our opinions to our fellow human beings, but to also describe what things mean. When it is used haphazardly it not only loses meaning but becomes dangerous. John should know better. I do not agree with what happened at the capitol Jan 6th, but to continue to call it an insurrection is irresponsible. It was far from the actual meaning of the word. As far as the Trump thing with John, well that is something he has to deal with on a personal level. I extremely dislike Biden, but would never wish harm on him.
What should we call it? I agree that this does not fit the description of an insurrection but, to John's point, Jan 6th was more than a peaceful protest in which people just stand on the corner for an hour and hold up posters. There was intent to disrupt order.
@@brittneywitherspoon8530 Like Glenn said: A riot perhaps. A protest gone wild. But insurrections are armed and organized. This was not that, at all.
@@scottmitchell1974 Fair.
@@brittneywitherspoon8530 If you agree that it doesn't fit the description of an insurrection, it shouldn't have ever or continue to be called that. During the 2020 riots 25 people were killed and over 2 billion in damage was caused. The media called most of those peaceful protests. One person died and 1.5 million in damage was caused on Jan 6th and the person who died was a protester. I think the word protest describes it pretty well. I didn't even get into the rhetoric our government used to describe it. The darkest day in our history since the civil war? Really?...Darker than Pearl Harbor, darker than 9/11? Darker than every school shooting in which a child died? It was a dark day, but certainly not to those levels, not even close. It certainly was not an insurrection.
I knew people i nursing homes that wanted to, but couldn't figure out the (obvious) logistics 🤣
Bolivia just had a military coup which failed-Insurrection
How did Trump start it?
So pretty much self-admitting to TDS
John, the Linguist, freely uses the word Insurrection to describe a clearly non-insurrectionist event while also advocating for calling individuals with the nonsensical "They / Them" monikers. I guess calling him a "linguist" is also a gross misuse of our once sacred language. The stupid, it hurts...
Jesus Christ
John, It's terribly disappointing that you make such a weak apology for your statement. Many made similar statements to yours and felt the same way about JFK. Look how that turned out.
John needs to find some more news sources, lol, just MSNBC and NY Times is frying his brain 😅
Loury - Wonderfully sensible
McWhorter - Disappointing here
Mr. McWhorter has a poor prognosis for advanced stage TDS. Maybe he should go hiking with Neil DeGrasse Tyson.
Could one wish death on Hitler or Stalin after these one expirience how this men run their countries? I think that would moral. So, i disagree, that one can not wish for any human being.
And here is real dilemma - where is border? For me, the border is when goverment start use physical violence against freedom. While i recognise that is not exact border, it is much shited towards area using goverment as physical force .
John has TDS bad!
I usually find myself siding with John when there’s a disagreement, but here I have to say Glenn is absolutely correct…EXCEPT on the issue of insurrection. By definition it was clearly one, albeit foolish and ultimately doomed. Frankly, Glenn, your claim of protest gone wrong feels like it’s not being made in good faith. While some supporters were simply “swept up in the frenzy”, the core groups that forced entry into the capitol were organized and there with premeditated motives, some had weapons and zip ties, and had gained floor plans to the capitol building. Insurrection does not require the things you claim here, Glenn, much less killing and rounding up thousands of people. It’s foolish to attempt to redefine a word to win an argument, and proclaim the word be disused as it doesn’t please you. Please remain objective, honest and reasonable, John and Glenn, that’s why folks tune in.
I have lost significant respect for John M. He has not recanted, hate rhetoric remains his stock-in-trade. He was more than casual, and I feel no greater respect that he feels OK stating such a thing in private.
McWhorter suffers from cognitive dissonance or he's delusional.
C'mon, Glenn. You're being disingenuous. Claiming that the fact that 1/6 had no chance of succeeding means it wasn't an insurrection is like saying Hitler never tried to take over Russia. You're a uni prof. If a student said on a test "Hitler never tried to take over Russia," would you not deduct any points? Trying something that has no chance of succeeding isn't the same thing as sitting on the couch, and you know that.
There is too much outrage over John’s comment about Trump.
Yes, it was irresponsible for a public intellectual in a public context.
I love Glenn and John, they are both passionate and nuanced thinkers, but (like the rest of us) neither of them are saints.
For the record, I would vote for Trump (if I was able to vote in the upcoming US presidential election) but I don’t find John’s sentiments particularly suprising.
I think those comments are beneath him (as a serious thinker) and he partially acknowledges this. I feel the same way that I did about Sam Harris’ comments about the Hunter Biden laptop story - just a bit disappointed that someone I admire for their rational, detached take on most issues, has an obvious blindspot (again, like the rest of us).
I think we can be forgiving and allow space for John McWhorter - the man, not the public intellectual - to work-through and process his uneasy feelings towards Trump and the possibility of a second Trump presidency. Maybe he’ll arrive at the same position again, but he shouldn’t be shamed into silence or agreement.
But I also think Glenn is right about the dangers (and potential consequences) of polluting public discourse with endless references to political violence, however throwaway or humorous.
It can plausibly be argued that taken together, these comments create a climate where dehumanising political opponents is accepted. Victor Davis Hanson wrote about this a few days ago - under the title, “Assassination porn and the sickness on the left” - ‘... since at least 2016, there has been a parlor game among leftist celebrities and entertainers joking (one hopes), dreaming, imagining and just talking about the various and graphic ways they would like to assassinate or seriously injure Trump’. He goes on to provide a long list of examples including the Public Theatre’s 2017 production of “Julius Caesar” for the Shakespeare in the Park program.
John and Glenn are both robust public intellectuals and, doubtless, John will take the current public pile-on in his stride. But we should resist the urge to personally condemn and shame him for his dissenting position on Trump. I am often frustrated by the left’s characterising of their political opponents as not simply wrong (in their conclusions or proscriptions), they also have to be bad (morally suspect). John might be wrong, but I don’t think he’s bad and I don’t really think he wants to see Trump (or anyone else) assassinated. His comment sounds more like what passes for ‘Wildean wit‘ in progressive New York circles.
”Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.“ Samuel Beckett, Worstward Ho (1983)
John was participating in Lingchi
Lingchi roughly translates to 'Death by 1,000 cuts'
Multiple pundits from MSNBC, CNN, NYT, and even Washington Post's Jennifer Rubin provided a methodology!
"The notion that any illegal action could be draped in the cloak of “official conduct” should alarm all Americans. As the dissent points out, if as commander in chief were to order Seal Team 6 to assassinate political opponents, what is to stop him?" "And to make matters worse, the court may not inquire into the president’s motive to determine if he was acting in an official capacity."
Soon after Rubin's column, President Biden indicated Democrats need to put Donald Trump in a bullseye!
Many of the people who made Lingchi type comments are supposedly "robust public intellectuals", ... But I would say they are *pseudo* public intellectuals,
intellectuals are:
Open-mindedness: Intellectuals are willing to consider new ideas and perspectives, even if they challenge their existing beliefs. They are adaptable in their thinking.
Intellectual humility: They recognize the limits of their own knowledge and are comfortable acknowledging what they don't know.
Intellectual integrity: They hold themselves to high standards of honesty and consistency in their thinking and actions.
Empathy and perspective-taking: They can understand and appreciate different viewpoints, which aids in their analysis of complex issues.
Creativity and innovative thinking: Intellectuals often approach problems in novel ways and can make connections between seemingly unrelated ideas.
Self-reflection: They regularly examine their own thoughts, beliefs, and biases.
Appreciation for nuance: Intellectuals tend to see shades of gray rather than black-and-white absolutes in complex issues.
Intellectual courage: They are willing to stand up for their well-reasoned beliefs, even if those views are unpopular.
Being an intellectual is not solely about academic achievements or IQ scores. Rather, it's about cultivating a mindset of continuous learning, critical inquiry, and engagement with ideas.
Once again Mr. Loury fails to get a proper read on Donald Trump. It's very surprising someone with his history/street smarts. What Trump did was the equivalent of a pre-k teacher working a classroom of 4 year olds into a frenzy about the pinyata they will soon smash and when the pinyata is finally broken the teacher says ok kids don't trample each other just take turns grabbing the candy.
Rashomon tells us everyone will have a different perception. I'm not saying you're wrong but your perception is not one shared by everyone else
Compared to who? The Clinton's and their laundry list of strange deaths, multiple women threatened into silence and weird donations from foreign powers? The Bushes and the deaths of thousands from wars on terror? The empty shell of a husk currently the zombie in chief and his massively dysfunctional family? Compared to who exactly???
"peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard" clearly smacks of incitement. Get a grip.
@@colinfoster7655 that's why my analogy is spot on. Until this day he won't admit he lost the election. He had been planting the seed that the election would be stolen before the election even took place. He worked up his base and they in turn felt it was their duty to defend their country from what they perceived as well orchestrated criminal act. Can you admit jan 6th was a riot as Mr. Loury does?
@@colinfoster7655 Do you agree that what happened on Jan 6th was a riot? Why were they so passionate that they thought they were going to stop the transfer of power? Who was it that put that thought in their heads and repeated it over and over and over? Who was it again? I can't remember
Funny how McWhorter, a linguistic expert, stops caring about the precision of words with this topic.
I noticed that too.
Wow, well said! (no pun intended )
Yeah, sounds smart, but I question his intellect.
Now proof that his education is garbage.
Except that January 6th literally was an insurrection. Sorry to be the one to have to tell you intellectual giants that.
Seventy five year old woman of color immigrant to my beloved USA m, here. John, I used to love hearing your thoughts on critical issues. You seemed to be even handed. Scripture says “ from the abundance of the heart , the mouth speaks..”. My dear John, why are you so full of anger hate? What happened to you that you have swept under the proverbial rug? So much hatred For anyone? Hate has been called cancer of the soul. I care about your soul John. Talk to someone that can help you find , locate the origin of this hatred. And urgently address it.
Do you think killing Trump will solve your problems? USA’s problems ? Do really want to live in a country that KILLS its oppositions? And you still have the soundness of mind to still WANT to live in a democracy ? You cannot have it both ways John!!! You of ALL PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW BETTER. I personally despise every ACTION & policy from our present leader. But for him, I have much pity. Not hatred. He’s not acting out of what is GOOD FOR ALL AMERICANS… just a few. May Healing Grace & Mercy find their way to your soul.
👏👏👏
John admitted he is not a Christian. Therefore, I don't think the scriptures matter to him. Haha.
@@b03johnso you have missed the point sadly. The statement is true, regardless where it came from, sir.
This is such an enormous gap in John his thinking, so incredibly odd to see/hear time after time.
He cannot help it. He has been working at the nyt
Decent people never say they wish death upon another.
Yep, my momma used to say never wish harm on another person because it could all come back to you. I like John, but I never really thought he was this bad on his "angst" towards republicans and Donald Trump.... Trump 2024
John is still a good guy. I might be biased in saying that tho
@@tonysamosa1717 That's nice. But his judgment is erratic. Loury's far less so.
What about Kim Jong-Un? What else can one do about someone like him?
@@AnUndivine Apparently you can wish him ill, but not in public.
I've always had so much respect for John McWhorter, but this unhinged point of view is beyond the pale. While he's busy harshly judging another man, I wonder whether he looks in the mirror and sees what he has become.
Thank you Glenn for being a voice of reason.
Amen.
John revealed himself to be no different than your average antifa zombie or one of the ladies of _The Veiw_ .
I had thought he was suave and urbane but he's actually an unhinged basket case.
I absolutely loved John McWhorter after reading "Losing the Race". I continued to follow his career, but.............he is crippled by Trump Derangement Syndrome. I curl my lip involuntarily when I listen to him now. He's prissy and conceited. Objectivity is nowhere to be found.
Wow. Really disappointed in John here. His case of TDS might be even worse than Sam Harris.
I haven't heard Trump say anything near that kind of hate Glen I appreciate both you guys coming back to address it. As a black Christian conservatives I can't imagine saying this about Joe Jim Crow Biden even though I despise him and the Democratic party. I think that party is pure power driven and evil
Love your response here. 😀
Trump's war on regulations, specifically environmental & safety, is evil to many people. For example, he allowed the relaxing of train brake regulations that could have prevented that E.P. Ohio disaster, and he's a willful idiot on global warming.
Glenn is sane. John is unhinged. John SOUNDS smart, but he is not. John, summer of 2020 was frightening. Not 6 hours of some yahoos walking the halls of the capitol with police escorts.
Mr. Loury's definition needs to be an incessant reminder of the importance of accurate definition. There in NOTHING in his definition that even remotely approves of anything that occured on Jan. 6.
John not only admitted that he said it, he said that he would say it again. That is not apology. I feel I may be ready to stop listening to John McWhorter on any topic. He has lost my respect.
Oh Boo Hoo 😭😭
@@Brotherken1234 Hahaha
Almost all the time, John is rational, congenial, and delivers his thoughts in a beautifully spoken way. Then there are times when he is Trump-deranged. I don't know how to reconcile the two Johns, but more importantly, I don't see how he does.
Because it's not a rational thought process. It's his Progressive academic ego that is offended that a guy like Trump ever sullied their (not our) hallowed halls of power. They might claim to like democracy but in reality they see the world as a caste system of elites and the great unwashed, who should be absolutely thrilled and grateful when the elites tell them how to vote. Greta Thunberg voiced their feeling beautifully: "How dare you!"
The term "Trump-deranged" is like saying people are deranged about radical wokeness, rather than fed up with it. Trump is just slimy, and those who won't admit it are no better. They need to stop calling themselves patriots, at the very least.
I have been in conferences where PhD's have publicly said the same thing about Trump, to general admiration. It's been said before, by others, about other politicians. What's wrong is not that it's un-Quaker, but that it's a fundamental rejection of democracy, e.g. "We should pick the ruler, not them -- their choice has to be stopped."
Come on John, you’re much brighter than this sir.
Yeah, I rarely agree with him, but I thought he had a little more on the ball than this.
My assessment of him went down a notch.
@@stephencarter7266it’s shouldn’t. TDS is a weird phenomenon. It takes even the most sane people and makes them irrational. We’ve seen it work in the opposite direction as well. People who are irrationally supportive of Trump. It’s so strange
He's never been in the same league as Loury (who I don't always agree with either, but whose blind spots are much fewer and far between).
@@gandydancer9710 uhhhhh you’re wrong. John is one of the best thinkers on the race question in America. His analysis of black victimization is unparalleled. Yeah I don’t agree with his default democrat views but I’m not going to cast him aside as if he wasn’t extremely influential on my thinking
@@tonysamosa1717 You're welcome to your opinion, but I believe my lying eyes. He's never been in the same league as Loury, full stop. Loury of course generally thinks for himself rather than absorb and regurgitate unthinkingly "default democrat views", which proves the point.
I've been quietly listening to you both for a while. Glenn thanks for that rational assessment of the so called insurrection. John, what you said about trump is indefensible. You can't wish that fate on any human being. I've noticed that people who dislike trump are usually very emotional, so I'd like you to explain calmly, exactly why you dislike trump to such an extent.
Because he's a con-man and a rapist. that's the short version.
I'm sure he's done that on many occasions. He's also said here, I believe, that Trump encouraged rioters to interfere with the transfer of office. He's mostly wrong, but he seemed calm enough, to me.
Trump's a pathological liar and obvious self-dealer. Why can't YOU grasp that truly moral people are repelled by his character? His lack of respect for the EPA and attitude that more pollution = progress is also a common trait of the sleazy and greedy. His good points about immigration and U.S. jobs don't make up for his dark traits.
It was NOT an insurrection. Glenn is 100% correct. Despite his intellectualism, John's use of "Insurrection" language is incorrect.
So, what was it? I agree with Glenn, that this does not fit the description of an insurrection…but I also agree with John that this was more than a peaceful protest in which people just stand on the corner and hold up signs, and that there was intention to disrupt order.
@@brittneywitherspoon8530 "There was intention"? On the part of who? And, "disrupt order"? When is protest not intended to disrupt anything? It's hard not to think that you are being intentionally imprecise.
Sad how John has fallen for the TDS talking points. If he stepped outside his biased bubble and logically and fairly assessed the actual events and records, he would come to a very different conclusion. He's still allowed to hate Trump, but don't fabricate and manipulate the reasons why. It's very dishonest of him.
John still hasn’t overcome his Trump Derangement Syndrome. Sigh!!!
"Trump Derangement Syndrome" is a lot like "Islamophobia." It's a cheap way to dodge the fact that Trump is clearly sleazy and unfit for the job. People who understand real patriotism have a right to be sick of the guy and those who keep supporting him. You can't call their gut reactions "deranged" and pretend he's good for the nation just because he uses political sledgehammers on certain issues. Just one example is his war on EPA regulations; it's the same mentality that required Nixon to create that agency in the first place. Polluters take it for granted that their excesses were made illegal, or pretend industry would have self-regulated without the EPA (massive lie).
I cannot believe John would wish death on anyone. Be careful what you wish for John.
Wow.
Did the Taliban take over Kabul and go home after three hours? Did Castro give the government back after three hours? Did the IRA? The MPLA? etc. etc
Comparing apples & bananas. Typical "what about-ism"
And what does that have to do with "our" country.
@@LisaFenton-h7f That a banana is not an apple is precisely seanmurphy's point.
I remember reading John McWhorter's "Losing the Race" as law school student 20 years ago. It was recreational reading, but it was something to read other than the materials in a casebook. As a conservative black man, I enjoyed it; I remember thinking that McWhorter's writings expressed the things I thought and felt in my heart. Fast forward to today, and the only thing I can say is, McWhorter disgusts and disappoints me.
Cry the world a river Tom
How did you hide your handle?
Anyway, there's nothing wrong with expressing disappointment in someone you once admired. You need not care, but no one cares that you do not care, so why tell us?
@@gandydancer9710
I'm sick and tired of anonymous commenters on the internet fronting as black conservatives. As it is, most of the ones you can see (aren't anon.) are straight grifters angling to make money off white-wingers who want nothing more than to have black people saying shit they're uncomfortable saying. That's the appeal of the Glenn Show after all.
@@gandydancer9710
"...but no one cares that you do not care..."
Strike one and two.
I actually do care and you care about what you perceive to be my lack of care.
No, you don't. "Cry me a river" is a classic way of saying you don't care. It has no other meaning. And, no, I don't give a damn about whether you care or not. My point was precisely and exactly that I didn't have any interest in what you thought of "Tom's" [r4777="Tom"? As in "Uncle"? Sheesh.] sentiments and didn't need or have any interest in hearing from you on the subject. Stifle yourself. You won't be missed.
Even when I disagree, I enjoy watching two friends disagree knowing they’ll still be friends tomorrow.
I agree with Glenn, what Jon has said is much worse. It actually causes me to lose a bit of respect for him.
John proved himself to be a liar. And it is sad that he does it because of politics..... doubly and triply bad because John is voting for a guy that enacts and champions policies that John himself hates. It is bizarre and sad. His behavior is disappointing and sordid.
Wow, John . As others have said, you are better than this.
What a disappointment.
I'm really sorry to see John go there. I knew he didn't like Trump, but that's genuine raw hatred. Hatred so blinding that reason can't even be seen on the horizon. He's projecting in ways that I thought a man as smart as him would be able to see. But he can't. It's really sad.
God help him. I hope he really takes a look at himself. I mean that. Sincerely.
Thank God he has Glenn to help him see... Let's hope.
Suffer? You wished death John. Your retraction was weak. On the tail end of it you say you would still say it in private? What comes out of the mouth (public or private) defiles the man. John it’s on you. Thanks for the wisdom balance Glenn.
Really surprised by John here. He is always very emphatic towards crazy people on the left, I cant hate or condemn them for they know not what they do. He often says phrases like that. But here he wishes death to a politician he dislikes. That if anything is how you kill democracy.
"I shouldn't have said it in public" This statement makes it sound like that's maybe still his opinion. You shouldn't say one thing in private and another thing in public. That's lying, that's having no intellectual integrity. Say what you think but you need to think some more on this I think.
I believe John is potentially in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 844, 373, 2, and 871 by making his statement on a widely read platform. Compounding the issue is that his own influence (aside from this show) stems from his thought leadership, so his words carry more weight than if say, a gamer made the comment. His apology mitigates things but as a fan of John I recommend TGS remove that segment entirely from the initial video/audio feed immediately.
Glenn is right on every point. Most importantly: the Capitol riot ("1/6") was not an insurrection.
But John impressed me most in this segment. It ain't easy to own up to your mistakes like that, unreservedly and without excuse.
I think Glenn should have given him more props for that.
Except January 6th was an insurrection. Look the word up.
@@profd65 No, it wasn't. Loury explained to you why not and "look it up" is not a counterargument.
Let's be clear: The only mistake he admitted to was saying it in public. Not thinking it.
John barely apologizes and smirks throughout… this is very ugly
It's always those who cannot fight their way out of a paper bag that want to start a war. Disgusting.
That's why JAN. 6 "protest"/Insurrection was so awful SORE LOSERS who refused to accep tthe results of an election MORE SCRUTINIZED than any other in our history.
I am a long time listener and subscriber to the Glenn Show and find both Glenn and John to be highly engaging and thoughtful on many wide ranging topics. It is difficult for me to reconcile what John said about hoping for the assassination of DJT with what I thought I knew about his character. Glenn is right to call him out on this, and John's pseudo-apology ("I shouldn't have said that in public") leaves me wondering if I had his measure wrong all these years. His hatred of DJT is well documented, but I have never heard him rise to this level of openly vengeful and incendiary rhetoric. It's one thing to discuss the possibility of such an act being perpetrated; it's quite another to suggest that it should happen. I don't want to live in a society where people with differing policy views are targeted for assassination and the brightest intellectuals of our time are suggesting this is acceptable rhetoric. It is not acceptable rhetoric for a civilized democratic society, and it doesn't matter whether you are in public or with your closest friends discussing politics in your living room. I hope that John will find the moral clarity to recognize this error and correct it.
To be accurate, John acknowledged it was unacceptable rhetoric. The problem is less the rhetoric than the sentiment behind it. John wishes Trump would get murdered. Really puts the Deranged in Trump Derangement Syndrome.
I'm also surprised by John's words, but I was also surprised by Sam Harris when he appeared to lose his moral compass when discussing Trump. I don't know why Trump has quite the effect he does on people.
What is wrong with John?
TDS
Agsin thank you for not being afraid to speak the truth
Where the truth is now consider
Hate or worse against the greater good
Of what is popular
You are there with all the great people in history who did not
Keep silent
For silence is conforming and conforming
Is self denial
Those who
Truly cause the end of
John I am deeply Offended by your irresponsible remarks I would have expected better from you
Are you ALSO "deeply Offended" by Donald Trumps' relentlessly (verbally) attacking people he sees as his "enemies" knowing full well that some more unhinged of his supporters will carry out violence against those "enemies". Examples: GA election workers,Ruby Freeman and her daughter Sha Moss,Fmr,. Speaker f the House Nancy Pelosi's husband Paul, ANYONE connected to Trump's trails from DAs to Judges, witnesses and jurors--as wellas , their family-members has gotten death threats.
I love John, but this, plus the way he on the one hand is so critical of Kendi but folds like a cheap suit when “debating” Dyson, demonstrates that he’s more in line with elitist hegemony than he lets on
It’s very easy to label that as clear and obvious Trump Derangement Syndrome, but it’s not exclusive to Trump. We saw this with Covid as well, where normally intelligent and reasonable people completely lost and continue to lose touch with reality when dealing with a subject about which they have inordinately strong feelings.
Dr Loury is wrong here. It doesn’t matter if we call it an insurrection or not. By his own words, it “got out of hand.” Nobody knows how much further it could have gotten out of hand if those people got to the members of Congress. It could have been carnage. By downplaying it, Dr Loury is wrong.
Good job, Glenn. That is the strongest stand you've taken to John's sad case of TDS to date.
Love a lot of things about John. His delusional hatred of Trump exposes a serious character flaw.
I hope John watched tonight's debate and saw which candidate is truly a serious threat to our country.
I think I’m about done with John. He truly has serious TDS. I respected his ability to reason, listen to other opinions and be open to the truth. I overlooked his TDS. But now it is inhibiting all the characteristics I admired John for.
John, “anyone would be better” would include Biden who clearly hasn’t been better. Much respect for you normally but your hatred of Trump compromises your intelligence.
It deeply upsets me when I see and hear sanctioned hate - and I’ve heard a lot the past few years. I was raised in a Protestant church & if it gave one thing it’s that you never wish harm on people, ever. Even people you don’t like. I can’t understand how so many these days feel it’s ok to do so because it’s against someone “bad” and it’s socially acceptable to hate them. The mob mentality of hate is really a powerful and scary thing.
When Glenn ;pointed out the riot was not an insurrection. John had nothing to say other than intent. And this is a linguist? When Glenn point out tha Trump said to protest peacefully, John just laughed. Again, nothing to say except pretentious TDS elitism. Keep in mind John has also pooh poohed the need for a border.
I didn’t vote for Trump but this “insurrection” hysteria is embarrassing. Being too comfortable for your whole life really can give you a mental illness. Most people have real problems.
John McWhorter, at this point, needs to get checked for early onset Trump Derangement. Not all the signs are there, but enough are that it might be worth checking out. May be a mild variant
Love you John, but the Categorical Imperative is what it is.
I think John owes it to this audience, and to his reputation, to come back on and more forcefully repudiate his comments.
While I have admired John somewhat from afar for his willingness to periodically show some intellectual honesty, he has fully and completely revealed himself as the aspirational, snobby East Coast elite (Ivy League faculty lounge liberal) he sometimes will condemn.
These comments and thoughts by McWhorter are truly disgusting.
John was wrong to say that. He's human. He apologized. Move on.
Glen, you are completely wrong on this one. it was a feeble attempt at an insurrection, but an insurrection nevertheless.
That's your incorrect opinion without evidence .. the stolen election was the insurrection, jan 6 was a set up frame job, there is video evidence for the planned conspiracy , ray epps john sullivan and many others from antifa and feds caught on tape calling for people to go in and tear it up/burn it down
@@vireogilvus nope, not even a little bit
The Trump Derangement Syndrome is strong with John 😢
OK, John. Some kudos for owning your comment. But for you, so intelligent, thoughtful, so worthy, should even in private have such convictions, is totally shocking, even depressing to me, who has long admired you. Glen was correct to call you out on the use of the word insurrection, long used in talking points to exaggerate what was indeed not our finest hour. Ironic that a distinguished economist calls out a distinguished linguist on the meaning of a word.
No, Glenn was wrong about the word "insurrection."
@@profd65 You're spamming the thread with that un-argued claim. If you're really a prof I pity your students.
The indefensible can not be defended!!!!!