FW de Klerk | "He died with apartheid secrets"
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Ahmed Timol’s family reacts to De Klerk’s death and the implications on their court case. Timol’s nephew Imtiaz Kagee joins eTV's Annika Larsen to discuss the family's search for closure and justice. Courtesy of #DStv403
There will *always* be secrets in politics.
The reality remains… secrets are birthed from corruption. Let’s focus on that instead of hate. Sometimes we don’t seek closure for the right reasons. Sometimes we look in the wrong places for closure. Let us look to each other instead for help in moving forward. Let us support the people of our country.
Thank u Ryan, well said
That's what we want to hear.
True, but then we'd have to focus on the utterly corrupt Apartheid years too - remember the cash stashes in Paraguay, never mind the entire Apartheid economy that still exists today.
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@@samienaamien7038 okay fair enough. That seems like a practical reason for finding out something specific for national benefit but I don’t think that was motive here anyway.
Tell us about the missing R12billion that was stolen from SARB.
Corrie, I also ask the same thing. Are you refering to 'Operation Hammer?'
Rest in pease Ntatemogolo F W Declerk
Who are we talking about, the black government?
@@dianamincher6479 nope. Watch Stephen Goodson on YT. He was a director at SARB. He has a converversation on the video with a Colonel from SAPS.
Tell us about the deaths he committed
The pain and suffering that started AFTER Apartheid is just ignored and overseen. De Klerk sold this country for what we have now. He has a lot of blood on his hands.
Alota black people died fighting for freedom of this country, he may seem insensitive but hes family was killed doing the right thing, now that FW passes we must wipe slates clean ? no way the truth !s justice for FW and this mans family and that's really all hes asking for.
You mean that we are a police sate like we used to be before '94? If you walk the street of your neighbourhood with fear, it is because you know what you're guilty of. There is no need for us to live in fear anymore, except what happens in the farms which affects us all, black and white farmers.
Quit your day job and become a spin doctor - you're obviously to the 'manner' born...
Quit your day job and become a spin doctor - you're obv to the 'manner' born...
@Louis Van Der Walt Ever heard of the Witdoeke? Your Struggle history knowledge is sadly lacking...
Everybody is good and evil... Politicians are just more evil than the rest...
@christo bosman 👏😌I agree with that person who said that
No. Politicians today taking more lives than De Klerk ever did. I have aunts and grandparents who died horribly and unnecessarily in public hospitals in Qwa Qwa.
Im afraid most families were hurt during De Klerk's leadership but was limited to political individuals,this is still carrying on during Ramaphosa rule except now its extended to women and children.Many families loose their loved ones and current govt is failing the nation when it comes to saftey and security worse than apartheid days in terms of numbers
Absolutely , look at the disgusting state of SA today .. have no words !!!
What I find interesting is that people don't want to address apartheid because it's supposedly in the past yet there are still holocaust victims coming out and the perpetrators are still being prosecuted to this day. I understand why it's a touchy subject but I still have family that has ptsd because of what happened to them in the past. It's very frustrating when the perpetrator doesn't take full responsibility of their crimes and acknowledgement of the pain caused. I totally, without reservation forgive De Klerk and I pray he finds eternal rest but my flesh is weak and I find myself conflicted because the atrocities committed by the apartheid government have left scars that I try to hide but find myself gravitating towards hatred when I should love. I can only hope that our children will do better than us, because we are still failing each other in this country.
Well said. However, my family also has scars from pre-apartheid atrocities caused by black and british folks. Yet, you do not see us holding those scars against you. There are 3 communities who need to do some serious introspection: The Jewish, Black & LGBTQ communities. You cannot make yourselves out to be the victims for eternity, especialky when you are all put on a pedastal. I am sorry for what happened in the past. We should ALL be sorry. But we will never move on if we keep pandering to those communities. That is not what equality is about. People are tired of the “poor me” attittudes, cause all cultures have been screwed over at a point in time. You are not special because you lived through apartheid. Focus on what is happening now. A nation is as strong as its leaders...and SA is not strong right now, We are weak because we keep looking back without providing any solutions for the future. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
@@Hellstothenaw The reason people keep looking back is because amends were not made. Like the original commenter is saying, how Germany has handled their disgusting past is a more humane way of doing it. You don't wrong someone then tell them to just "get over it" when the consequences of that wrong are still there and no apology or remorse expressed. SA won't move forward for a long time, because of the wounds of apartheid and then adding salt on that wound - the apathy and callousness with which is was handled and the lack of justice. Further down the generations with less people who might feel the consequences as directly, maybe so. As someone who didn't live during that time and who was lucky enough to have parents who made it to middle class despite, I'm not traumatized or angry. So my political decisions aren't as affected by our racial past, but it's not like that for majority of people who are traumatized, angry, still very disadvantaged as a result and uneducated. That's why so many have kept voting for ANC. So of course it's easy for us to say "just focus on the future" but again, majority are still living in fear of not making it to tomorrow, so until more people have the emotional intelligence to look at cause/effect and be more empathetic, it's just an idea.
@@Hellstothenaw Well said, we are all tired of the "poor me" attitudes, how much longer is that narrative going to be portrayed another 100 years , 200 years. Everyone has struggles they go through, unfortunately some worse than others, but the difference is how you deal with it. The 'poor me' attitudes, honestly is nothing more than a cop-out! People should all listen to what you have to say "But we will never move on if we keep pandering to those communities. That is not what equality is about"
@christo bosman Why justify someone else's pain with your own? Are you incapable of empathy?
@christo bosman I'll refer you to mnr @Roy Wyatt so he can assist you with your "poor me" attitude. I'm sure between the two of you you have enough brains to resolve your issues
The truth will come out nothing can be hidden forever.
At last a traitor and murderer has met his maker. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
We might end up there as well to keep him company 🤐
We need to judge ourselves first lest we be judged.
Even our Lord Jesus Christ wept when Lazarus had died! Be sympathetic to those that are mourning for crying out loud!!!!!!!! DISPEAKABLE!!!!!!!!
*despicable
you're just as bad as him if you wish him peace cuz there shall be no sleep for the wicked, they suppose to stress and live a miserable painful existence filled with torment and disparity, you don't go near such people they are considered reprobate and no good unless he says he was changed by the lord Jesus Christ and he never said that and it doesn't show in he's walk either and there's more than enough evidence to show it, you don't wish them Gods speed, read your bible before you wana bless people cuz you clearly don't, lean not on your own understanding and stop making Jesus out to be this long haired hippy that loves everyone cuz that's a lie he wasn't weak and pathetic he's was a strong God that manifested in the flesh as an example for us to live by and creating the new body of Christian followers and he was perfect in every way. Being meek doesn't mean weak
Let him rest. Otherwise there’s no any other truth besides the fact that Nelson Mandela died in 1985. Leave him alone, concentrate on load shedding, corruption and crime
De Klerk is responsible for facing the White ppl and telling them that he was going to end Apartheid so he has taken responsibility.
and he said apartheid was not a crime against humanity
He was a traitor... Period. Death doesn't change who you were
Why?
Anika why are you calling him the former President 🙄
Because he was a former president of SA…
Not sure if you are being sarcastic or what?
@@Robin-yo8nr he was the last minister, not close to a president
@@Robin-yo8nr who voted for him?
@norma you have a good point!
This fucker became president by coup!
Everyone knows what happened, the whole world... he doesn't need to admit it everyone agrees it was wrong... he was exiled by his own people and the rest of the world... let his soul rest in peace now ffs..
Yes
BOTH Nelson Mandela AND De Klerk were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for the JOINT contribution they made in the transition from the Apartheid era to a free democratic South Africa for all.
and he said apartheid was not a crime against humanity
Wow, defending such an awful human being
bud, what difference would it make in knowing what was agreed on 27 years ago?
It was agreed on not 27 years ago, but nearly40 years ago, mid 80's
What was done then affects us now, for instance the land expropriation bill which affects a lot of black South Africans to this day
It'll make all the difference. You'll be able to see with your own eyes that state capture began pre-1994, at the negotiating table.
The people who made the agreements with old regime are in power today. Who is going to talk?
The former president Zuma threatened to open up and spill the beans and may those close to him advise that he speak up before it is too late.
De Klerk was born a white man in this country and he had no control over his birth. He did not choose the place, time or his skin colour. When he became president he started the change to wrong a right. Can't we just remember him for that? Can't we just let him rest now? Just let it go? If you can't and you hate him then be happy he's dead and move on.
Condolences also to Amed's family. May you find closure. May we all find peace for what is haunting us.
This sounds like something written by someone that never felt the oppressive boot of Apartheid, or even its after effects
If you were really interested to know the secrets you could have made an effort to get close to De Klerk while he was alive.
Exactly. Jumping on the bandwagon and conjuring up the apartheid boogey man to try and up their ratings
The man is now dead, he has repented and apologized. Let his soul rest in peace. He was not even the architect of apartheid. Lets move on with our lives.
Nicely said, but I think your comment is probably going to fall on deaf ears
@@RoystonWyatt13 true but sombody has to say it. We can't live with hatred forever. What these people don't seem to understand is that Africa was the place of birth of humanity .Because of migration and evolution we are what we are today. All that live in Africa irrespective of color belong here. The ones that migrated just came back home.
Ramaphosa treats the South African constitution with contempt!
May his soul rest in peace only God can judge him
Why no one tried to probe these secrets everyone is talking about? We're casting doubt on the legacies of leaders who pass away, when we too, had plenty of time to send investigators and journalists after them whilst still alive. Because we failed to do likewise, my plea is, let's leave them to rest in peace and forgive. Peace unto you South Africans !!
The Way The Media Covered His Apology It Was As If They Are Trying To Influence Us To Feel Sorry For Him And Accept His Apology Because He Is Dead, Those Who Don't Understand The Negative Impact Of Apartheid Then, Now And In The Future Will Think People Who Don't CARE About His Death Are Heartless - Emancipation Of A Black Child's Mind🤦🏾♂️
I love the fact that we have views from all sides, no matter how dividing or extreme but we're all participants in the conversation about apartheid and this country. Only interested individuals have strong views but those who careless have checked out of the conversation... and this is how a progressive democracy works and thrives!... yes we do not have all the answers but which country does? We're a work in progress and if we keep having these dialogues, we will eventually start to question our own prejudice and biases.
He may have died wd secrets in his heart but he will definitely answer to the almighty.
As will we all, as not ONE is without sin
Are we going to hold on to the past forever??? OR are we at some point going to move forward while we still have time... People: We all are going to die at some point. Are we going to cling onto what has been, what could have been or what should have been and die a sour people??? Or are we going to put the past behind us, move forward and make the best out of the little time we have left and die a happy people?
While History should not be forgotten, we cannot 'move-on' while we keep-on dangling the past in front of our noses all the time! What has happened, has happened! You can NOT change the past! Let us make sure it does not happen again; We can however change the future!!! And let's move on in the best possible way, with true equal opportunities for all who are willing to put in the effort!
Unfortunately this cannot happen for as long as corrupt officials ransack the economy and political "leaders" drum up the racial cards, to turn us against each other! Or can it? Can we show them? Can we move forward despite the rotten rats in high places? - I believe we can!
C'mon - we as South Africans are better than this, are we not? Let's stand together and not fall for satan's dirty tricks who wants to keep us divided! Let's put the past on the back seat for a while and we can become the great nation we are meant to be - Black, white, pink, purple, does not matter! - Let us all support and help one another! Stop the Stealing, Killing and Destroying - that is the work of Satan, NOT OUR's!!!
We are not!
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families still haven't found closure on their loved ones who were assassinated by the apartheid government hence i think FW knows a lot more about these assassinations that took place but died with these secrets.
That is a childish thing to say.
Why are you not telling jews to move on and forget about Hitler?
De Klerk died with secrets & former president Zuma promised to expose secrets. The question is was he serious or just trying to scare his comrades that were betraying him? De Klerk will answer to God for his sins, he may bluff us but can never bluff God.
Like in corporate world.they all(politicians) have something on each other.
All of us will die with secrets, or are you the rare exception with a perfect and unblemished conscience?
We are all very good at pointing out others’ faults and sins, but conveniently avoid our own darkness, and the sins we commit daily. Christ said that anyone who hates his brother is a murderer in his heart.
So to everyone, black and white, who resent this man and label him a murderer - you are no better.
And don’t forget that you will be judged with the same measure with which you judge …
Anton Ferreira, am I the one that died and people.condeming. I'm. Not in the spotlight. Did I condemn him or am I referring to all the nonsense the leaders of this country are hiding. You have no right to attack me. You do I'm ow me and don' ME. Please ask son here how I felt sorry for this man and any person who dies. You righteous one. Don't talk and attack someone you don't now. The topic is SECRETS of apartheid( affecting all of us BY the Way) and all politicians. No one said they righteous. It's what's in your heart that will count at end of the day.
@@volontedavenhill9682 I was replying to the original message (Hubert). And I am not attacking him or you. I am just sharing my view in a non-judgmental manner
I understand. We will all be to answer. Even when I make comment like Hubert's last sentence. I would be referring to all mankind. Only God knows the truth. 🙏
Apology accepted Sir, thank you and rest in peace. When you took over from PW Botha i thought you would be worse than him as you were very vocal as his deputy in 1989 but everything changed immediately when you took over. Your intentions of ending apartheid were clear from the onset and you implemented it very vigorously in spite of strong opposition even within your own party. i will never forget the day you gave black schools free stationary and we used to call those books "De Klerks", that was the first step towards free basic education which some political organizations are preaching about today. You contribution will never be forgotten . Go well. Stokes Lonzi
If these secrets were to come out they would show how bad both the NP and ANC really were. For all we know the ANC could of been working along side the NP all those years
They were.
Former apartheid president !
The word of God taught us to forgive one another if not our God will not forgive us. No one is perfect.
We forgive him but we can't forget bcoz even now black people they are not free when it comes to economy we have to be honest each other&everything will be fine
Apartheid is still here!
Yes, Reverse apartheid with BEE
@@president6645 Have you been stuck in the woods the last couple of years? We have another apartheid that discriminates you according to your health! Some people think this is China! These people don't know that this is a democracy and we have to stand up for our rights and fight for our freedom! It does not matter if you are black or white, red or yellow, green or blue! We have to stand up together for our freedom and our democracy in this beloved and hated country of ours!
Please stop diverting fix the power issues.You always live in the past.Siestog shame
Who needs power?! we are here now, and here we shall be.
@christo bosman We are equal baba😂😂 Rest ntwana rest!
That man when in charge, was at the helm to end apartheid and is blamed for apartheid? To all the haters, does your hatred suggest that the idea of a new South Africa was a mistake?
to those, who live with hate and racism in their heart,,,the gates of heaven will not open for you
That means you are not going to heaven.
That is for God to decide
heaven doesn't exist
@@thegoat8447 in your thinking but hey ,it's your choice
Fooitog, nou kan ENCA slaap nie. Siestog!
I have mixed feelings about him. Caught in between between "good riddance" and "if only he lived longer to possibly expose the shady dealings" ...?
@christo bosman not surprised by it and I know even the ANC, after democracy, sold us out instead of getting justice and correcting things. Then they wanna keep talking about apartheid mxm.
Thata Madiba and FW belong in the same whatsapp group. Only difference is one is black while the other is white. Democracy my foot
Well said! There is no democracy for the most of us
Yes please. Let us hear what went into that secret settlement.
Even the law that we using today we using de klerk law because gold mines land is still belongs to those people who was controlling in apparteid is not helping South africans
@@sphelelehlongwa7136 The truth is someone have the answers, nomater what, zikhona impendulo.The only thing South African people must be United and need those answers otherwise nothing will happen definitely
@@sphelelehlongwa7136 where do you live? Gold mines are under Sibanye and Harmony:black owned
There's a lot of companies that using black names as if is for blacks but not
@@sphelelehlongwa7136 Sad, but true
One thing I'm glad about is that my uncle finally decided to see a therapist. Its really bad what happened during apartheid and also things have gotten worse
I find it comical how they declare war on apartheid and then cry when they get a war. funny how they did not have a problem with apartheid prior to 1961 for 60 years when the Anglo American establishment heaved British apartheid onto South africa
Wot more do u people want to no bout Mr de klerk let the man rest in peace he openly apologize on national television so let it be rip Mr dear klerk ur work on earth is done
BS!
@Malusi What is BS? Do you actually have a point or are you just a racist?
So what if he did it’s not like when we dig him out we will fine the secret or stop the loadshading
Shut up and apply ur make up cos it's clear u can't bring something substantive to the table.Imagine if someone is implicated in a murder of ur loved one and someone types what u just typed?We need closure not insults.
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AGREE WITH YOU...You know they want closure but they are blind for whats happening now under the ANC ...WHAT ABOUT OUR FARMERS that is been murdering ...27 years and only hatred
@@jolie1865 u can not abuse people for centuries and think u can co-exist with them without repercussions.I am not condoning farm attacks but I'm against arrogance that is growing as a result of lack of responsibility for past atrocities.
@@mlungisiradebe6911 so what do you want the government to do to white people? Take their houses and farms away make them pay an i am sorry tax? What about white people born after 1994,should they also be punished for their ancestors sins. If we are going to start doing that, then the zulu nation is in big trouble for all the atrocious things their ancestors did.
ALL of them had secrets and we know that so it's pointless trying to find out what he was hiding it won't help a bit, if you gonna try to dig up things, you gonna have to go through all of them ( your Mandelas, Sisulu's, Tambos, De Klerks, the list goes on)...the man is gone let him rest in peace...may God comfort his family.
Shame, must have been bad having jobs, safety, security, housing, electricity, low crime/rape and being a first world country.
If you were racially oppressed, obviously it wasn't enough. But you wouldn't think about it of course.
What about How our current Government is NOT addressing Hunger, Schooling, and Shocking living condition for a large portion of the population, all while they line their own pockets? Ow yes we don't talk about that.
We don’t care about his apologies, we want land taken from blacks and given to yt ppl! Him apologizing means nothing
Land taken where? Given to who
Land was taken in the past you bloody fool!
A con artist to the end...
My condolences to the family. Remember! He was instrumental in laying the foundation for democratic South Africa, and for that he was awarded the Nobel Prize.
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You don't know what really happened, before talking do a proper research and stop doing your research on UA-cam.
Saluut FW!
The other one is Pandey and the other is Govender, they think they are too white to be black. If you really know the history of this man and the history of this country you would not saluut no one. But again I don't blame you ause you have never lived during the apartheid time and your ancestors came to this. Ountry whilst our people were already suffering.
@@sandilemfeka4658 U don't know wtf you talking about. I lived through apartheid.There weren't black heroes only. There were also coloured,white and Indian heroes. I'm proud to be a fg deputy white, if the narrative suits you. The problem with you is education. You need it urgently. I salute FW again
At a crucial point of the negotiations strangely both President Mbeki and Zuma were removed from the negotiations team and replaced by Ramaphosa. Realising the things he is doing now showing no compassion for our people and him being afraid to take bold decisions we know he sold us out for a price. That's why out of the blue they wanted to pressurise Tata Madiba to make him deputy president overlooking all the people who gave their lives to fight for our freedom, knowing the brutal regime then how is it that if he was a genuine freedom fighter fighting for justice he never spent a single day in prison. Why is it that when he was the president of the SRC in the then Turfloop University they were arrested and all his fellow members, the likes of Mosiua Lekota were sentenced to 10 years in Robben Island, he was the only one acquitted and released even though they were involved in the same activities. Why is it that when he couldn't be deputy president he left politics completely to pursue his own business. It was never his cinviction to fight for justice and now we can see whose interest he is serving. The man doesn't care about the plight of the poor in this country that's why he will never go to Marikana to face those families straight in the eye. That's why last year they signed non disclosure agreements to lie to the nation about a vaccine when they knew it was a trial they would be using our people as guinea pigs so that company can have more data on the vaccine. He will never come clean about the letter... mxm
Shamepies. Consult the ancestors if you want to know more ...
If you stille from poor you die like poor man
Mr FW de Klerk was a good man. It is easy to condemn when you were not there, at that time him history. He did his best with Mr Mandela,
and we all benefit now from his courage and wisdom. Rest in peace!
Cap
He is NOW a good man....
@@corrieduplessis4792 Yeah now that he's gone!🙄
Apartheid will never die. It will only be called something else......at least he didnt sing the songs that can be found on YT that is until today being sung by people that the wording within it is EVIL in intent, but if you dont understand the language you will think the people are singing a NICE song with feel good wording, but if you sing of harming others, wow that alone speaks for itself. Afrikaans saying: wat hart van vol is loop die mond van oor......
if there was no apartheid in the 1st place, those songs wouldn't exist
Then why keep on singing and keeping the Revolution alive even 26 years later, even the youngens knows these songs, we will soon enter PHASE 2 of the revolusion....🤫like CR said, lets keep the frogs in the pot and not jump out and rebel....lets sommer also disarm them in the meantime.....lekka man...
@@thegoat8447 so that’s your justification
@@thegoat8447 there has ALWAYS been apartness, even under african tribes, but when they attack one another it is not RASIST, it is zenofobic, when they steal it is called looting, when they kill well I think you get the picture.....
Apartheid started in 1948... not a year sooner not a year later...the late President De Klerk came years later and did something about it! Give credit where its due!
Geen verlies nie. Jy weet wat jy gedoen het.
Leave the man in peace!! Mandela was no angel either! Leave them in peace and move.
People who think they are holier than thou attitude are the main reason we cannot progress as a nation. Didn’t we learn from President Nelson Mandela about forgiveness? Shame on you!!!!!!!!!!
Bless you Temba. And I’ll take it one further. Christ asked His Father to forgive his accusers and murderers while they nailed him to the cross. That is unconditional love and forgiveness
@@antonferreira5174 oh🙄🤦🏾 christ!
@@setlogolo_sa_Hunadi That’s right: Christ, with a capital C. Blaspheme and roll your eyes all you like, but every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord. ⏱
@@antonferreira5174 is that ryt??
RIP BOZO!!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🤣🤣🤣YOU WON'T BE MISSED!!!!🤣🤣🤣🔥🔥🔥🔥
He wants to protect his 'legacy' literally to the death. He is perhaps also trying to protect his afterlife, as he considers himself a believer.
Closure... will we ever find closure and justice?
So did Mandela and Winnie their stories would give you sleepless nights.
If The Truth Is Introduced In Politics The Whole System Will Collapse - George Carlin - Emancipation Of A Black Child's Mind
This guy was not a hero. Real devil that did nothing to ensure that there is justice for atrocities coursed
Rerig hoe weet jul hy het nie die waarheid gepraat ...LOS DIE DOOIES HULLE KAN NIE VIR HULSELF PRAAT.. het jy dit gedoen
Peace Love and Forgiveness
From what ive seen in this world, do it to them before they do it to you, cause they will
Exactly!
That is pure nonsense..MHSRIP...Fw was part of a voverment and not the Sole goverment He left a legacy because he was the one that got Nelson Mandela released..we as human beings are too judgemental and forget the good in people.MHSRIP
Rest in peace our lovely Grand Father South Africans we will miss you ❤ . Plz don't worry about tht Adiot Julias Malema
He caised his own loyal wife's death and led us all down. RIP FW
this guy was a villain
Die verraaier Sal nou betaal, sy siel Kan nie gered word nie
Oh God does people like you still exist 🤣🤣🤣 may God be with you when it’s your time to meet OUR maker
Yes I do exist, truth is truth, and I know my God nows the truth to, worry julle eerder oor julle eie lewens keuses en nie Ander nie, almal geregtig op hulle opinies, en as jy familie verloor het wat wreed vermoor is, gee Dan jou opinie. Ander go to hell.
Yes like Chris Hani?
This nonsense should be buried in the dust bin, I so wish ANC was not in power because all appathied gangsters are escaping punishment for crimes against man kind
Respect
For a man of the cloth he doesn't adhere to the teachings of Jesus. Peace Live and Fot
I'll never understand Christians who oppressed people. And especially those who did it even in the name of God. Shows that evil can exist even in a supposed place of good.
FW De Klerk was one of the bravest men this country has ever produced!
brave to kill
he doesnt even belong in this country
Bravest of his bunch yes but definitely not in the country. His hand was forced and he was smart enough to let go cause if he didn't the country would've gone up in flames.
Saluut FW
@christo bosman he was a smart man standing before a choice. And he damn well made the right one. Not only did he save the country from civil war but he also had the opportunity to step out as a hero and he did that. We will however not praise him for it because his back was essentially against the wall and his hand in many ways forced.
I am sure Mandela died with anc secrets as well. Some good and some bad
apologies are not mere statements that you say, there are conditions when it comes to apologies
No, there aren’t. An apology is an apology, regardless of whether you want to accept it or not.
Hold on to your hate if it serves you well, but Christ said that anyone who hates his brother (meaning any human being, as we are all created in his image) is a murderer.
So you become the very thing you hate.
@@antonferreira5174 so I steal from you, say sorry and then move on? As for your Christ comment, have you got evidence to prove Christ said what he said?
@@The_Angry_BeEconomist Exactly right. That is what forgiveness means. Forgiving someone’s trespasses against you and letting go of resentment, which only poisons your own soul. And yes, the proof is in God’s word:
1 John 3:15-17
New King James Version
15 (A)Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
@@antonferreira5174 New King James Version, do you know who King James was? I suggest you do some research as to King James and his moral stance before attaching credibility to the King James version.
As for an apology, if I steal from you, I can't just ask for an apology, the apology is only valid if I return the stolen goods or make an effort to compensate you. And then once I did that I must not repeat the action. Simply saying "I apologise" is not good enough.
@@The_Angry_BeEconomist We’ll just agree to disagree. What you are referring to is recompense - if the return of stolen goods (or of what was lost) is the prerequisite for forgiveness, then the widow of the farmer who was killed will never be able to forgive the murderer, because how can he return the life he stole from her?
And you are knit-picking about the King James Version. King James refers to the translation, he had no hand in writing the Bible. The essence and truth of God’s word and message remains true regardless of the translation. It will never be corrupted by man
my heart is with those who will never get justice for what this guy did many have lost loved ones who to this day do not know what happened to them because of him our Hitler in my books
Bwahahaha good riddance poes!
If Hani was alive there never would've been a Mandela as president,
Very true !!!!so who killed hani??👀👀🙆🏻♂️🙆🏻♂️
When Public protector was investigating the Absa issues ramaphosa wanted her to b dismissed & now u r talking about this?? To me it's hypocrite u defend pple & cry later.
The Absa saga must continue some of them r alive
Life isn't sentimental and political systems part of what ever their agendas was will never be know just as any injustice whether it just criminality of any sort, everyone deserves closer but unfortunately we suffer this indignity of life, no one is above anyone else whether political or plain criminality, but we now burden ourselves knowing we will never find out or get justice or closure, just like any family will never know what or why their members were murdered, this is the nature of this evil world and devilish people, we can forgive but remember and make sure it never happens again,
EFF
So nice to see how certain individuals are so callous about someone's death. I really hope one day they will be paid the same level of disrespect and indecency that they are paying now. Anyone who celebrates anyone's death especially from something as brutal as cancer has zero moral or ethical compass and is just a plain waste of space! Let the family mourn the loss of their loved one in peace. Shame on you all, grow up or just shut up!!!!
No dc many caused so much pain in black community and you know that de reason we dont like him
I wonder whether you'd say the same of Hitler? To black people in this country, De Klerk is no different.
@christo bosman That's not what i said or implied, did you even take a moment to read my comment, clearly not. Maybe before you start making false accusations that have zero merit, you should look at yourself first! If we as a species start celebrating death, then we have hit rockbottom, and if you and others cannot see that, then there is not much hope left for this country
@@lukathusi9285 That's not what I implied here in any way. Maybe you should as well others actually read what i said. If we are at a position where we start celebrating death, and just ignoring but actually celebrating it, death of any individual, then we have lost all empathy. Everyone leaves behind loved ones. If that is the mindset of many then you know what, not much hope left for this country.
What?
This man lived his life to a ripe old. What about those that did not get a chance to live whilst under his watch. THEY are also human being.
People have this tendency of apologizing before they pass on and we supposed to forgive them. I heard your apology and i don't think i can and will ever forgive him.. NEVER!
Matthew 6: 14-15 "For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins."
You are not holy or without sin in this world Tebogo. Neither is your ANC government. Should we demand a deathbed apology from Jacob Zuma and Ramaphosa for the 1000s of farmers that have been slaughtered during their tenure as president of this cursed country?
Catch a wakeup, Tebogo, and remove the plank from your own eye
@@antonferreira5174 You were clearly not affected by the apartheid as much as we did, we're this poor and disadvantaged because of this man's government and if we choose not to forgive him you have no say just keep quiet! siyabonga cancer
@@tebohosenooe4894 I am affected and disadvantaged because of the current government. But I don’t hold resentment towards anyone, even though I have suffered violence myself due to crime, and even though I have to see the country I love being torn down and destroyed more and more every day by incompetence and corruption.
And I am not telling you to forgive him, do what you want. It is your right to carry your hate with you to the grave. See how far that gets you, or how it will improve your life. I wish you all the best
@@antonferreira5174 please don't care what this goverment is doing to what apartheid was doing to blacks, please don't. In fact what you're seeing now is apartheid legacy
@@antonferreira5174 If your experience of suffering is the "current government" than me and you cannot have this conversation, honestly! I'm not saying your pain is any less compared to my kind but it is.. We grew up on 2 different planets. I bet you think i hate him because of his color but no i don't, only because of his actions.. There's his black friends i have on the list too. I don't need to tell you i'm not racist because we don't know each other. However you view me i don't care. Don't tell me about the Bible people use it to justify nonsense all the time. People who know it like the back of their hand still raping, stealing and murdering.. Don't use the Bible to prove a point to me
Munikapratni.......
A non event. Let's focus on Eskom.
villain
Seriously ...now is the time to trash the man...at least he tried!!!!
Ai sensationalism at its best! Hope your ratings hit sky-high with this one🙄
Rip🙏🌹
Rest bafethu.
Aren't you expecting de Klerk to be a saint?
Hy het ons land vir n appel en ui verkoop! Blik..m!!!
Lol
About time. The bloody traitor
I found the racist 😃
He then issues his apology after he's dead, lol... chicken