There’s a big difference btw the 155 and 185. I hacked the 185: maximized the hole size, use a grid and this will change the behavior. The 155 is also better with a grid btw holes and paper filter. You can also use a coffee phin on top of the filter for better water flow.
I wish I understood what you are saying, but I can't picture in my mind what you are talking about. The 155 is better with a "grid," what does this mean? I have never heard of a coffee grid. What is a coffee phin?? You said there is a big difference between the 155 and 185 but didn't talk about the difference. Can you elaborate on this, and why those differences matter? If there is a big difference between the 155 or the 185, what makes someone get the 185 versus the 155? sorry to be a pain but I'm trying to learn
The uneven dripping issue is because of the metallic version…get the ceramic version. The spacer is much more pronounced and lifts the filter off the flat bottom. I love the Kalita.
I do still expect to have a working dripper if they offer it right. I don’t have a very high opinion because I chose the metal one and I still expect it to work well. The reason I don’t like ceramics is because I do like to tap the drippers to get a good initial grind set. Ceramic ones have broken my cups/carafes even on a light tap so I avoid them. The origami is alright cause it uses a wood or plastic base.
@@TALESCOFFEE Then I think you will prefer the Tsubame version. Bottom design as the glass and ceramc, but in metal. Sadly also the most expensive one because handcrafted.
@@nicolainyenstadpetersen765 I have heard this! I do agree with this, but I only brew single cups for myself. Though I do think having a larger batch the kalita is best. I use the kalita only for 2-3 cups at once!
Good video! Suggest you try the glass Kalita Wave. The filter rides up higher away from the drip holes. You can also try a shower screen in the metal dripper you have. I use an extra Flair screen....
Looks like either the April dripper (waves but large central hole) or the Blue Bottle dripper (straight ridges and a small central hole) would fix your flow rate issues with the flat bottom brewers.
Small cups make even less sense bc the papers are expensive af for the kalita . I pay double to triple to a japanese v60 paper. Using a 02 v60 and paper.
Packing increases the chances of holes clogging, ime. I had better luck not packing it, flattening the ridges to the inside wall, and when stirring do little circle swirls above the holes. Using those helped me get some very good light notes with that less pronounced body that the waves are typically known for For some reason my coffees come out better using a grind that is a hair coarse than the usual hair finer than medium.
Yups so I’ve seen in the chat there’s soemthing I can add to prevent the clogging, I just don’t see why I need to get another device to help my dripper flow. It’s also hard to guarantee the most perfectly vertical pour to avoid uneven distribution of force on the three holes 😅
The difference in the flow rate from hole to hole isn’t an issue of channeling, it’s just a matter of the coffee dripping in the space (that should exist) between your filter and the base and falling onto the raised portion of the base. As for tamping the bed, I wouldn’t recommend it since it could actually cause some of the water to pass around the main coffee bed and through the spaces of coffee in the waves.
Will definitely think more on the flow space. I tried wirh coarser grinds too. Maybe it’s my dripper it just ain’t flowing through well enough. The tamping is pretty funny though but maybe not the best idea. Still experimenting
@@TALESCOFFEE for sure! I’ve recently become a lot more fond of the kalita wave and had a ton of fun experimenting with it. I find that it allows me to grind finer than I would with a v60 and I often do an 18g dose to a 300g yield. Also, Scott Rao has popularized the idea of using a metal mesh placed at the bottom of the kalita wave in order to keep the filter above the brew bed and never clogging any holes. To give you context to my brewing personally, I do often bloom and do traditional style pour overs. I love your videos and I experiment and draw from your research but still do stick mostly to traditional brewing.
I think if we add something to the bottom it would make sense honestly. It would fix the flow rate issue probably. This is strictly a test with the original dripper and filter. I will definitely try a mesh under ^^
FYI on the ceramic version of the Kalita 185 the 'Y' shape at the bottom is more prominent which allows the filter to sit higher, and the holes are bigger. As a result I've never had an issue with clogging or uneven draining. You should try that one and see if it changes your opinion of the dripper, and enables you to come up with a better technique.
Have you considered using something like a melodrip tool over the kalita? It'll distribute the water in a rainlike way and maybe even the flow. I'm trying it soon!
Hey good question. I haven’t yet I’m very familiar with the melo though I have tried it out. It might actually be the perfect thing! Though I always think the rain loke part of it causes a massive amount of agitation but I’d have to test it out
Vincent, have you ever thought of starting with a cold metal, glass ou ceramic v60 for the single pour method? You could start with a higher temperature because the dripper would suck a lot of it, therefore controlling better the degasing, then when the dripper is throughly heat, you could extract more with a higher temperature and less gases. I am wanting to buy a glass v60 and i really want to know if this technique would work. Thanks
One of the best pour over I've had was a classic Kenyan Nyeri(winey,juicy,blackcurrant etc) region roadted by The Barn in Berlin and brewed via Kalita Wave 188 at Grindsmith Dyblin in late June 2017. So layerd,dynamic and powerfull. That being said I've had many more better cups from V60 and Chemex than from Kalita Wave although it's not bad I mean all 3 brewers gives me at least 80%+ good cups everytime.
So the size difference is just purely for like brew size. I also think smaller brewers are just better for brewing the "BEST" coffees. I think the larger the brewer the harder it is to make your coffee "perfect" so to speak. Having a larger dripper makes it so that you end up pouring from higher, which causes higher agitation (9.8m/s :P) so you end up getting a faster first drip. Also when your dripper is larger the diameter is larger so some kettles may need to be even higher up which causes a long distance for your first drip. That's something I do take into consideration heavily. I think if I want the "best" coffee possible I would use the 01, but the cup sizes are generally going to be smaller. I brew maximum 240g water on this. Where the 02's will just allow me to make larger cups for my customers so I use those!
I've been enjoying my glass Kalita wave 185, the suspension thing over the three holes you were talking about seems to be less of an issue with the glass. My bloom is generally fine with a shake of the brewer and small indent in the center to guide water, and I don't find the need for a tamper brewing 32g of coffee to 500g of water every morning. My main issue is with achieving 100% extraction since I always lose some grounds to the sides of the filter. I've been focusing on my pour starting in center and working spirally outward, cleaning the walls of the filter on the last concentric pour. I generally feel as if all the grounds are saturated when done, and I've been getting less and less on the walls of the filter with improvements in my pour technique. (have never brewed in any other dripper to compare)
@@TALESCOFFEE I come from a world of pre ground beans and automatic drip machines, but I'm quickly venturing into the world of specialty coffee and technique. I noticed I haven't had to use as large of a dose, because using a somewhat competent pour over or French press method extracts so much more caffeine and flavor... But I do find myself missing a big pot of joe to sip on. Hence the big brew :) Thanks for the reply and helpful videos!
I’m confused. It seems like almost all of your issues are rooted in the need to brew a large amount of coffee. It’s almost like there’s a smaller size…
No I generally brew small ones and flat bottoms like kalita aren’t good for smaller batches due to their wide base. So the first drips fall through too quickly resulting in a weak cup
I was looking at the brew coming out of the Kalita this morning, and it seems as if the three streams flow into one….as opposed to thre dripping at different rates.
Ah when I did this video my two holes weren’t dripping at all 😂 or extremely slowly. But either way I still find it a problem really .. yeah .. not a fan still 👉🏼👈🏼
i like daily coffee content!!!!!!!! :D hahahahha just kidding, i know the challenges to do that :p i still love origami than kalita, because it can adjust my coffee preference, if i want to drink thicker body in my coffee, i'll use wave filter, otherwise, i'll use v60 filter) anyway in Indonesia, we have a store that create wave 155 from plastic (which kalita doesn't have in their product line) they named it "Suji Wave" and it is compatible with kalita filter 155 and it is very cheap!!!!! around USD 3.00 maybe, and i've enjoyed it a lot maybe it can be your consideration if you visit our country (after COVID-19 yeaaaa) since you like plastic dripper, right?? :p
@@TALESCOFFEE i've just checked the official store from my country, they're bundling with the filter now 🤭🤭 so the price is IDR 75,000 or, around USD 5-6 maybe 🤭🤭
There’s a big difference btw the 155 and 185. I hacked the 185: maximized the hole size, use a grid and this will change the behavior. The 155 is also better with a grid btw holes and paper filter. You can also use a coffee phin on top of the filter for better water flow.
A grid! Okay, I haven’t thought about thay thanks! I do have a coffee phin so I could test it out :3
What do you mean with
"grid"?
@@mrgazillions like a flat tea strainer
I wish I understood what you are saying, but I can't picture in my mind what you are talking about. The 155 is better with a "grid," what does this mean? I have never heard of a coffee grid. What is a coffee phin??
You said there is a big difference between the 155 and 185 but didn't talk about the difference. Can you elaborate on this, and why those differences matter? If there is a big difference between the 155 or the 185, what makes someone get the 185 versus the 155?
sorry to be a pain but I'm trying to learn
I have never imagined it was possible to make a single pour on flat bottoms. That's awesome
Single pour for everything! 😂
Seems like the April brewer would give you the even flow you desire in a flat bottom dripper
Yups that’s next to play with!
The uneven dripping issue is because of the metallic version…get the ceramic version. The spacer is much more pronounced and lifts the filter off the flat bottom. I love the Kalita.
I do still expect to have a working dripper if they offer it right. I don’t have a very high opinion because I chose the metal one and I still expect it to work well. The reason I don’t like ceramics is because I do like to tap the drippers to get a good initial grind set. Ceramic ones have broken my cups/carafes even on a light tap so I avoid them. The origami is alright cause it uses a wood or plastic base.
@@TALESCOFFEE
Then I think you will prefer the Tsubame version. Bottom design as the glass and ceramc, but in metal. Sadly also the most expensive one because handcrafted.
@@nicolainyenstadpetersen765 I have heard this! I do agree with this, but I only brew single cups for myself. Though I do think having a larger batch the kalita is best. I use the kalita only for 2-3 cups at once!
Good video! Suggest you try the glass Kalita Wave. The filter rides up higher away from the drip holes. You can also try a shower screen in the metal dripper you have. I use an extra Flair screen....
I love my Kalita Wave. No issues.
I have been waiting for that candice joe joke soooo much
LMAO erics been waiting to drop this one
Looks like either the April dripper (waves but large central hole) or the Blue Bottle dripper (straight ridges and a small central hole) would fix your flow rate issues with the flat bottom brewers.
Yeah most likely, I will try the BB dripper
Also the december bottomless dripper from Korea.
another excellent video - tank you!
Aww thank you for the comments too! You're very welcome glad you liked the video!
I might have to try tamping on the Blue Bottle Dripper.
Let us know how it works for you!
Small cups make even less sense bc the papers are expensive af for the kalita . I pay double to triple to a japanese v60 paper. Using a 02 v60 and paper.
I like the 185. The best.
Packing increases the chances of holes clogging, ime. I had better luck not packing it, flattening the ridges to the inside wall, and when stirring do little circle swirls above the holes. Using those helped me get some very good light notes with that less pronounced body that the waves are typically known for For some reason my coffees come out better using a grind that is a hair coarse than the usual hair finer than medium.
Yups so I’ve seen in the chat there’s soemthing I can add to prevent the clogging, I just don’t see why I need to get another device to help my dripper flow. It’s also hard to guarantee the most perfectly vertical pour to avoid uneven distribution of force on the three holes 😅
@@TALESCOFFEE not really another device just additional steps but i feel u on that. Im gonna get a v60 soon just to try the taste difference myself
Yesss! Let us know how yoh like the v60! Huge fan here. The 01 size is best for small cups, but the 02 is most convenient
The difference in the flow rate from hole to hole isn’t an issue of channeling, it’s just a matter of the coffee dripping in the space (that should exist) between your filter and the base and falling onto the raised portion of the base.
As for tamping the bed, I wouldn’t recommend it since it could actually cause some of the water to pass around the main coffee bed and through the spaces of coffee in the waves.
Will definitely think more on the flow space. I tried wirh coarser grinds too. Maybe it’s my dripper it just ain’t flowing through well enough. The tamping is pretty funny though but maybe not the best idea. Still experimenting
@@TALESCOFFEE for sure! I’ve recently become a lot more fond of the kalita wave and had a ton of fun experimenting with it. I find that it allows me to grind finer than I would with a v60 and I often do an 18g dose to a 300g yield.
Also, Scott Rao has popularized the idea of using a metal mesh placed at the bottom of the kalita wave in order to keep the filter above the brew bed and never clogging any holes.
To give you context to my brewing personally, I do often bloom and do traditional style pour overs. I love your videos and I experiment and draw from your research but still do stick mostly to traditional brewing.
I think if we add something to the bottom it would make sense honestly. It would fix the flow rate issue probably. This is strictly a test with the original dripper and filter. I will definitely try a mesh under ^^
FYI on the ceramic version of the Kalita 185 the 'Y' shape at the bottom is more prominent which allows the filter to sit higher, and the holes are bigger. As a result I've never had an issue with clogging or uneven draining. You should try that one and see if it changes your opinion of the dripper, and enables you to come up with a better technique.
@@paulj.2273 yeah, the coffee chronicler did a video discussing that
I spin the brew. It seems to work the flow very well.
Have you considered using something like a melodrip tool over the kalita? It'll distribute the water in a rainlike way and maybe even the flow. I'm trying it soon!
Hey good question. I haven’t yet I’m very familiar with the melo though I have tried it out. It might actually be the perfect thing! Though I always think the rain loke part of it causes a massive amount of agitation but I’d have to test it out
@@TALESCOFFEE Check this out, uses the Gabi dripper: ua-cam.com/video/c5Zdlni7X00/v-deo.html
Vincent, have you ever thought of starting with a cold metal, glass ou ceramic v60 for the single pour method? You could start with a higher temperature because the dripper would suck a lot of it, therefore controlling better the degasing, then when the dripper is throughly heat, you could extract more with a higher temperature and less gases. I am wanting to buy a glass v60 and i really want to know if this technique would work. Thanks
I have tried cold start and hot, I don’t notice a huge difference myself.
What do you think about the kalitta wave style set?
One of the best pour over I've had was a classic Kenyan Nyeri(winey,juicy,blackcurrant etc) region roadted by The Barn in Berlin and brewed via Kalita Wave 188 at Grindsmith Dyblin in late June 2017. So layerd,dynamic and powerfull.
That being said I've had many more better cups from V60 and Chemex than from Kalita Wave although it's not bad I mean all 3 brewers gives me at least 80%+ good cups everytime.
Yeah I personally think cones are better too.
Just curious, at what point do you change from the v60 01 to v60 02?😅
For the kalita wave 155 and the 185 as well 😅
So the size difference is just purely for like brew size. I also think smaller brewers are just better for brewing the "BEST" coffees. I think the larger the brewer the harder it is to make your coffee "perfect" so to speak.
Having a larger dripper makes it so that you end up pouring from higher, which causes higher agitation (9.8m/s :P) so you end up getting a faster first drip. Also when your dripper is larger the diameter is larger so some kettles may need to be even higher up which causes a long distance for your first drip. That's something I do take into consideration heavily.
I think if I want the "best" coffee possible I would use the 01, but the cup sizes are generally going to be smaller. I brew maximum 240g water on this. Where the 02's will just allow me to make larger cups for my customers so I use those!
@@kylelopez6219 The kalita would be similar to the 01 vs 02 issue ^^
Just get an OREA brewer and you solve every issue of the Kalitta Wave dripper.
Yups. I plan to, also a friend of mine designed one so stay tuned for a video on his dripper! (I haven’t tried it yet who knows 🤷🏻♂️)
Insomniac watching a coffee-related video. The irony lol
😂 insomniac making a coffee related video to be watched by another insomniac 😂
I've been enjoying my glass Kalita wave 185, the suspension thing over the three holes you were talking about seems to be less of an issue with the glass. My bloom is generally fine with a shake of the brewer and small indent in the center to guide water, and I don't find the need for a tamper brewing 32g of coffee to 500g of water every morning. My main issue is with achieving 100% extraction since I always lose some grounds to the sides of the filter. I've been focusing on my pour starting in center and working spirally outward, cleaning the walls of the filter on the last concentric pour. I generally feel as if all the grounds are saturated when done, and I've been getting less and less on the walls of the filter with improvements in my pour technique. (have never brewed in any other dripper to compare)
You will love the video coming out this week then! Ohhh you are doing larger brews so it’s perfect yeah!
@@TALESCOFFEE I come from a world of pre ground beans and automatic drip machines, but I'm quickly venturing into the world of specialty coffee and technique. I noticed I haven't had to use as large of a dose, because using a somewhat competent pour over or French press method extracts so much more caffeine and flavor... But I do find myself missing a big pot of joe to sip on. Hence the big brew :) Thanks for the reply and helpful videos!
You’re welcome! Make sure to just ping me here if you have questions ~
Have you tried the Blue Bottle dripper?
Nope not yet!
I’m confused. It seems like almost all of your issues are rooted in the need to brew a large amount of coffee. It’s almost like there’s a smaller size…
No I generally brew small ones and flat bottoms like kalita aren’t good for smaller batches due to their wide base. So the first drips fall through too quickly resulting in a weak cup
I was looking at the brew coming out of the Kalita this morning, and it seems as if the three streams flow into one….as opposed to thre dripping at different rates.
Ah when I did this video my two holes weren’t dripping at all 😂 or extremely slowly. But either way I still find it a problem really .. yeah .. not a fan still 👉🏼👈🏼
i like daily coffee content!!!!!!!! :D hahahahha just kidding, i know the challenges to do that :p
i still love origami than kalita, because it can adjust my coffee preference, if i want to drink thicker body in my coffee, i'll use wave filter, otherwise, i'll use v60 filter)
anyway in Indonesia, we have a store that create wave 155 from plastic (which kalita doesn't have in their product line)
they named it "Suji Wave" and it is compatible with kalita filter 155
and it is very cheap!!!!! around USD 3.00 maybe, and i've enjoyed it a lot
maybe it can be your consideration if you visit our country (after COVID-19 yeaaaa) since you like plastic dripper, right?? :p
Hahaha damn $3 USD? That’s crazy actually, Suji Wave eh? Interesting!
@@TALESCOFFEE i've just checked the official store from my country, they're bundling with the filter now 🤭🤭 so the price is IDR 75,000 or, around USD 5-6 maybe 🤭🤭
The salesman is very rude
😂😂😂😂😂😂 gotta get eric to work on it
@@TALESCOFFEE 😄😄