Another thing I love about Deathwish, is how at the beginning Franklin says "It seems like people are always telling me to do stuff, I do it, and nothing changes." At the end, Devin tells Frank to kill Michael (and Trevor). In Deathwish, he makes his own choice, and gets a happy ending.
That's exactly how I felt when he said that. I went back and forth about what I was going to do on my last play through and decided to just go with my gut at the time. That line really stuck with me.
The fact that my dad, who hated video games and thought they were a complete waste of time, sat through the entirety of GTA V and was absolutely enthralled by it despite never actually wanting to play himself, says to me that it’s a successful story, maybe not absolutely brilliant but perhaps that it feels like a long form movie is enough.
21:45 Micheal didn't rope Franklin into the FIB stuff. He literally met up with Franklin and told him to run for the hills before the FIB jobs even started. Franklin knew what he was getting into when he refused to leave LS
I think he meant roped in by association as in Michael already knew the FIB was on his case yet still chose to include Franklin in his crimes knowing full well it will catch the FIB/Daves eyes I mean they literally refer to Franklin as another expericend partner in crime who can help in the stuff they do If Franklin was just another innocent friend I doubt the FIB would rope him in. He just acted carless
@@edz4prez204 The whole thing is basically unforseen consequences. Michael told Frank that the job is hard and the pay is shit ans he went along with it. It's obvious that Michael didn't expect Dave to show up right after and the Three's Company probably only happened since Dave couldn't keep how he got the files a secret or something. Even on the car ride to the FIB lot he tries to sell Dave on Franklin beeing his car guy or whatever.
@@NoFlu meh depends on how you veiw I personally think Michael definitely knew because like seriously when Dave confronted him he was really calm and usually that means a person was prepared for the consequences or just didnt care infact Michael and Dave were more worried about trevor than the actual FBI. Obviously Michael didnt want Franklin to get involved but Franklin still got involved that's definitely not on Michael but he seemed very aware that Dave would probably find out, I'm not saying hes the bad guy because he did have to do the heist it wasnt really a choice but based on the fact that we know hes roped someone in before (him and trevor) it is a bit iffy But like I said depends on how we view it he could have just not cared and didnt expect the FIB to have eyes on a small time "gangster" like Franklin and it was all Dave's fault which could be the case But in the end Michael dosent seem like a bad person he just seems unstable
"Hell, if this game just had chapter cards, it would've made the story structure make so much more sense" I bet that's what Rockstar had in mind when they started writing Red Dead Redemption II
I feel that deathwish is also Franklin making his own decision. Killing Trevor is what the FIB tell him to do. Devin Weston tells Franklin to kill Micheal. But death wish, it’s just Franklin. He controlled the ambush operation. He chose ending C
@@nighthawkviper6791 Idk man Franklin is the cleanest in the bunch in term of actual background. But let's see : Michael is a violent, abusive father who's also a rat (like, literally, see what he did to his buddies during the North Yankton heist all whilst collaborating with corrupt feds) And Trevor is an absolute psychopath who murders peoples (no matter the degree of innocence or lack thereof) on a whim. My first playthrough I picked C but I can really see why someone might pick one of the other options
"this game is about fighting back against the corporate world" ...and playing gtav online is showing that rockstar is a big part of it. Any more shark cards anyone?
@Plλyer Yeah using a trainer to give yourself money (especially when the alternative is either endless grinding or paying real life money) isn’t too bad but the people who use them to harass or dox people are the scum of the earth.
It’s ironic how in this story Trevor, the most dangerous person in the room, is also the one you can trust the most. That adds a lot to his character. Edit: To all the 100+ people that keep replying, do you really think I’m gonna bother reading and responding to you on something I wrote over 2 years ago?
Even though Lamar and Franklin have similar but opposing mindsets on how to make serious money, Franklin cannot help but want Lamar around, because Lamar is the kind of friend everyone will have at one point in life: you may not have too much in common, you may not think the same way about anything, and you may never truly see eye to eye, but the experiences and surroundings you grew up together with are what bind you close like siblings. And to be honest, those are the best kind of friends. The ones that truly remember the things you’ve been through
Imo the arcs are. (Deathwish ending) Michael: Goes from arrogant, depressed, evil, downer to understanding himself and regretting his life while also embracing it. He regrets his actions but by the end he’s happy with the family, friends and job he’s got. He finally gets out of his rot and learns that there’s more to life than crime. Trevor: Learns to love and forgive. He longs for some sort of connection and by the end he’s happy. He’s living his best life with new and old friends. And a lover too. Franklin: Learns how life works. He wants out of every situation he’s in because he learns that he will always be the little guy. Franklin both starts to dislike Michael and Lamar but by the end embraces them as friends. He knows Michael used him, but saves him anyway because Michael treated him like an actual human. He loved him as a son. Franklin learns what life is and gets out of it before he has the chance to end up like Michael or Trevor. He also embraces his relationships. I guess it’s a game about how, experience and friendship go further than money or corporate greed. If you break it down that far.
Thats a really good way to put it. Its truly an underrated story, and yet a story which resonates with a lot of people. I've never played the game, but I do remember seeing friends play it. I think the game really does show 2 ways to tackle life. You either play it safe and regret your descisions, or you risk it all for the best possible outcome. You can see Michael agreeing with the former and Trevor with the latter, and Franklin is caught between those two differening outlooks. It shows fucked up people in fucked up situations, but it also shows how sticking with like minded people to try to make something better All in all, stick with your friends, and try to be on the same page, because if you don't, then things will get hairy real fast.
dont forget that Michael's daughter would also still be going to college since technically that would happen so not only did he found his life meaning, his life is finally for the first time going to the right direction
I honestly have never done another ending besides the death wish. I’ve seen the others through videos and have just never thought it would feel right to pick any other option. Franklin, despite acting like he doesn’t, cares a lot about those closest to him. He goes above and beyond for Micheal, he tows for Tanisha, he tails some hillbillies just cus Trevor asked him to, and he saves Lamar enough times for it to be a running joke. The other endings see him changing a core value and have never set right with me.
Even though the characters are monsters and should rot in prison, I couldn't help but symphatize with them a lot. Especially Trevor. Killing him feels like straight up betrayal. Killing Michael is even worse imo, I genuinely think a part of him really cared for Franklin by the end.
I didn't do Deathwish during either of my playthroughs. I hate the thought of killing Michael or Trevor because it's wrong in so many ways. It's evil, treacherous, and very out of character for Franklin, who's proven himself to be immensely loyal to those he's close with, especially figures like Lamar and Tanisha, as well as Michael and Trevor. The consequences are dire and your enemies will stay walking in the process. In addition, Franklin's ties are broken as a result of his actions, and he can't face what he's done, hiding the truth about Michael's killing to Jimmy after The Time's Come, and in both that mission and Something Sensible, his ties with the survivor, Lester, and affiliates of his target are severed. Moreover, these endings show a cowardly side to Franklin, who chose to hit his target because of all the heat coming down on him from the FIB and Devin Weston, especially given he's just robbed the Union Depository, among the other crazy events that have taken place over the last few months. Franklin isn't a spineless sack of crap, and I'm glad Deathwish is canon.
Ngl, the best part in the story (for me) is that family therapy mission, where Michael gathers his family up for a family session and then they get back together and the ending is just so wholesome for some reason... Also that mission might've had one of the best rage voice acting in all of everything
Michael threatening to kill Amanda out of rage is still chilling. It was his way of getting his frustration with his family out, and also showing his violent side surfacing. I think that it's really interesting that once Michael shows his buried violent nature instead of his faux-happiness, his family comes back to live with him again.
The therapy missions in general are underrated. They have one for each of the different chapters and if you visit them when they're available, you get a really deep insight into who Michael is as a person, and why he hates himself and his life despite everything he did to get it.
@@inkoinfinity2 the protagonists have diferent clothes likes and dislikes, if they like what their are wearing, they will wear it the next time you switch them.
One of the things that I always loved about GTA5, is how some of the cutscenes(mostly the not so serious cuscenes) have this realistic handshake and zooming in on either quiet or awkward breaks, it makes it feel like a reality show/comedy sitcom...imo
Lazlow is more complicated than that. Hes been in the gta games for quite some time and his career is actually ridiculously fleshed out compared to anyone other character. Lazlow how been all over another form of media he can get his voice of face on. Hes gone through so many career shifts that it was inevitable he was would end up in Vinewood like this.
@Human Being i thought the same, but after a little thinking, i see cj as a very deep and conflicted character, problem was the whole game's story is told a bit poorly
I know a spanish guy that made a ,pretty good might I say, video ab San Andreas. His @ is dayoscript, I dont know if it has gotten english subtitles yet but its worth checking out
@@BDozer666 It actually decreased in quality imo. The parkour system in IV is a lot better than V, V's movement feels very bare bones. The only improvements they made were adding more vehicles, and that hardly counts.
16:30 actually no, while michael will absolutely kill if it is neccesary for a goal of his, he doesn't enjoy randomly killing people. he tells trevor "you didnt have to do that!" in prologue after trevor shoots the guard in the head to save michael, he doesnt kill the janitor for the fib heist and he's even willing to give up a gold bar to casey in the subtle big score heist. gunning down civilians is just something the player can choose to do
I agree but to be fair, the “You didn’t have to do that” line was because Michael promised Dave that it would be a clean job with no casualties, so once Trevor killed him, that was thrown out of the window and it would complicate his witness protection program a little. If this wasn’t the case, Michael probably wouldn’t have cared that much about the guard’s death and may have thanked Trevor for the help.
@@lukefitton7329 i disagree it's in michaels character to NOT kill innocents because as he states "I always thought i was the good guy" a part of this is the fact that he doesn't kill innocents
When Trevor heard that you wanted to kill Michael, he was pissed and didn’t want anything to do with it When Michael hears you want to kill Trevor, he jumps at it and helps to kill him Michael wanted to kill Trevor twice, he’s a shitty friend Edit: I also forgot to mention that once your at the end of Ending A, if you wait a few minutes and don't "Put down Trevor", Michael takes the shot.
@@gentaillahi6153 I think it's because deep down he knows that what they did was shitty, and just like he projected his laziness and vapidness onto his children, now he projects his traitorous nature onto Frank
It only makes sense to have a separate ending that goes "go kill Trevor with Michael and then turn on Michael and kill him, basically backfiring at Michael for what he did in North Yankton, and also "succeeding" his mentor. The C ending where everyone survives doesn't make sense after time and time game showed that Franklin "despised" them both for many reasons, Trevor being an uncontrollable maniac and Michael being a filthy rat, who just cares about himself and doesn't care about loyalty and friendship.
I think honestly the best part of the story of Franklin were the smaller missions with Lester. It was for a guy who wasn't strictly taking advantage of him, Franklin didn't dislike him and he paid every job back to Franklin (money, villa, stock opportunities, etc.).
Because Lester’s an honest guy and he’s worked with a lot of people. You’ve got people like the IAA coming to him for help with Avon Hertz. He’s built himself off of being reliable but more importantly someone who won’t betray you or take advantage of you.
I hate to be a downer but its kinda shit considering that now all the gta online stuff is cannon now. flying cars, flying bikes. franklin never got over tanisha, he never properly "Grew up". It implies him and trevor stopped speaking too
GIRL! the whole "imagine the game more as an episodic series" thing is literally exactly what I thought when I first played it. edit: updated pronouns because I came across this comment while rewatching and realized I used the wrong pronouns
It was stated that San Andreas storyline was designed as a Series. So i GTAV following the same steps after they noticed that IV and others didn't impact as S.A was the right call.
Before Michael gets involved with the government he meets Franklin at the hills and tells him to stay as far from him as possible and to "take a vacation" Franklin chose to get involved with the government. Michael isn't the bad guy, he gave Franklin exactly what he wanted, as he told franklin what he was getting into before every chapter of this story, as for Trevor I agree Michael was a hypocrite, but Trevor was batshit crazy before he even met Michael back in the Air Force.
If you remember the car ride with Dave Norton, he brought in Trevor without Michael knowing and he forced Michael to call Franklin to be involved or they would send “G-Men to his aunts house”
Kinda feel like Michael is seeing Franklin kinda how he seen Trevor back when they first met except he tried to make things differently this time by looking out for him and being straight with him instead of setting him up like he did with Trevor
It's easy to think that, and I'm sure even Michael believed that, but we all know that if it came down to it Michael would have Franklin killed to save himself
Well, I wouldn't say killing Michael is a good ending. Even though he might deserve it, you're betraying him. That's why after this ending Trevor calls Franklin a traitor and lose contact with him. And yeah, you make 2 kids fatherless and Amanda a widow.
Had Michael never tried to improve, had he never actually seen a way out of his tunnel of lies and backstabbing, it would be a good ending. However, he did
I agree, it is in no way a good ending while yes franklin breaks the system he sticks close to his friends. However you like you said still betrayed another friend, left a family without a father and still left all your enemies alive. In c however Franklin still breaks the system yet did not abandon the comradery he had with micheal and trevor.
@@epicchocolate1866 does that make them losing their father any easier? Yea that might be able to handle it a lot better than they would as a child but I’m assuming your around that age 20 or so, would you not be devastated still if god forbid your father was to pass?
I liked your commentary on Trevor and Floyd. However, I think in some weird way Trevor cared about Floyd. The moment he hears about Debra cheating, the tone in his voice shifts to one more angry and defensive. Then later down the line a news report following the mission says that a man was found shot in the head and a woman stabbed to death. Implying that Debra shot Floyd and Trevor stabbed her in revenge. Plus that distressed look after he comes out looks much closer to grieving for someone he cares about than a "What the hell have I done?" sort of face
That's really interesting. That makes so much more sense now. But I don't know if it's so much Trevor having compassion for Floyd as it is him taking Debra's words personally. Trevor has a long history of betrayal coupled with serious neglect and abuse from his mother. It's no wonder he would snap when hearing Debra berate Floyd like that.
trevor was fully intending on paying floyd for helping with the merryweather heist. i actually think about that moment because i think it’s interesting to speculate... what happened when trevor came home that night? what treatment did floyd get? if the heist had gone well, would trevor’s treatment afterward towards him be better? either way there’s definitely some symbolism with floyd’s teddybear. trevor is destroying floyd’s innocence because his own was destroyed.
@Memescular except he feels remorse when people he genuinely cares about dies, all those other people he killed or watched die were people that he didn't give a shit about or his enemies. Why do you think he was so devastated when he watched Michael's supposed "death"?
Honestly i feel like Trevor was mad at Floyd for being used by his woman, and he tried to teach him to live a little and not to always follow the rules.
How does the whole Solomon movie star side story involve Michael’s capitalist consumer lifestyle. It seems like Michael genuinely cares about making movies.
I guess it’s because it’s not necessarily Michael’s love for film but the film itself; Meltdown was literally a film about two Yuppies on Wall Street and that’s just about as consumerist as it gets. Clearly, Solomon doesn’t seem to give a shit about the quality of his films, anymore since many regard the film as a piece of shit anyways. Furthermore, Michael is the Assistant producer of the film; he serves no purpose in the creation of the film from what the player sees aside from having his name on the credits and doing Solomon’s bidding. Michael may love film but the film itself is a complete contradiction of this.
Michael loves the idea of old Hollywood more than he loves film or the craft of filmmaking. I saw it as another facet of his cynical and jaded worldview. "They don't make em like they used to"
I like most of you’re points, although Micheal makes it very clear in the game that he was just trying to make sure that his family would be safe. Trevor was an unpredictable psycho with a criminal background, he couldn’t be trusted around Micheals family, Micheal wanted a way out of his criminal life, he was unaware of how much that life really meant to him. The North Yankton Heist is a good example of that. Micheal wanted a way out while his criminal *family* Brad/Trevor wanted to keep taking scores which according to Micheal would eventually end up in his death, which is reasonable thought when you think about how dangerous the heist were that he was taking on with them. Brad wasn’t as innocent as Trevor either as Lester and Micheal mentioned Brad was very annoying and down right stupid at times and was always leading them into bad situations, Micheal didn’t even want Brad dead he wanted him in prison, which is harsh but when you’re in the criminal life and making bad decisions you have to take that guy out of you’re crew so it’s almost generous of Micheal not have Brad killed.
this is the first time i've actually seen someone do an analysis of gta v's story, most people that put their two cents into the narrative dwells way too much on "it's not as dark as gta iv", which kinda misses the point, imo.
@@bit_ronic exactly man... I haven't seen actual analysis on GTA v. It's usually "gta iv good, gta v bad" that everyone says. Most of the reasons for this is apparently because gta iv took a dark turn and GTA v was different than that. I wish more people actually try to understand gta v story instead of making unfair and misinformed comparisons to gta iv
@@anattackhelicopter2680 when gta iv was the newest game in the series, i remember people were shitting on it for being too "edgy and dark", and also for having less stuff to do than san andreas. seriously, back then san andreas was the game that was treated as the "holy grail" nostalgia is really powerful, isn't it, when gta vi comes out people will probably see gta v the same way they see gta iv now.
I always figured the "kill Micheal" ending wasn't Franklin breaking out of the pyramid scheme but rather him picking up where Micheal left off. A manipulative, backstabbing snake.
ending b is in many ways, franklin taking on the worst of michael. it’s like his “surviving is everything” mantra he taught to franklin is backfiring against him
I view it as Franklin breaking the cycle, and getting rid of the dude grooming him into the life of crime. Franklin calling Lamar, who hasn’t really talked to in awhile, is indicative of that. Franklin kills his mentor, then immediately calls Lamar, not his “partner in crime”, but his buddy. The dude who has been with Franklin for years. It says a lot about Franklin’s mindset after killing Mike.
@@owainraysor5108 “grooming him into the life of crime” Franklin was a serial killer long before he met Michael, his second mission is killing a dozen gangsters
My favorite always was Michael, he seems the most complex out of the three. Nothing too exceptional or anything, but I really like how fundamentally flawed his personality is and how aware he is of that. At it's core he is a bad person, and seemingly always was considering what he says to his psychiatrist, and even when he tries to amend things and start anew, his violent persona ends up raising two brats who hates him and an unhappy marriage filled with misery. He sacrificed everything and everyone he loved for a new life that he hates. Of course he would end up being a bitter asshole. Despite everything he says about him, he obviously loves Trevor even after killing him in ending A since a couple in game days later, he basically blames Franklin for it and blocks his number, a very obvious way to cope and deflect guilt. And just personally I love how he is written, his sarcastic banter and petty speech is just so funny to me, and of course Ned kills it with his performance.
I'd really like to see him in the next gta as some sort of health influencer/spiritual guru/coach that actually believes the things he says 100%, and his beliefs have only gotten dumber. oh man, if he had a radio program I'd listen to it on repeat.
@@lucywucyyy the problem is that they ran out of loose ends to tie in gta5 to gta6 so they can't do what they did did gta5. If anything, gta5 is pretty likely to be the end of the story for the HD universe
The supet cinematic style has been immitated by so many open world games, and other types, over the past decade that I think people forget just how game changing GTA V felt in its production values and slick presentation when it came out.
I was shocked about how cinematic it was. I used to prefer Mafia over Gta but when I really started play Gta 5 missions I fell in love with the game, but I don't play games that much so I still haven't play it through but I will play it soon
Reminds me of San Andreas. CJ wants to grow out of the hood. Sweet wants to stay loyal and status quo. Big Smoke came from the same school as Michael, look out for number one.
CJ is the amalgamation of Franklin and Trevor, he wants out of the gang life, but he still remains loyal and true to his friends. He constantly mentions GSF and only did what he had to to free Sweet from jail. At the end, he stuck by his only true friend, AND his new friends, which probably was the best ending he could have.
During the story that Trevor tells Wade, when trevor starts going all over it towards the end, he does mention that Brad was planning to kill Michael but he got killed first. This was obviously before Trevor found out that Michael had attempted to sell them out.
And while hanging out, Trevor tells Franklin that if Brad didn’t get killed by the feds, he most likely would have done it himself anyways because “he was a dick”
I hope the gta v actors don’t get pissed at rockstar in the future, rockstar has a history of not paying their voice actors enough look at roman and CJ’s voice actors
@@TheLittleDinka I admit that I played it once in seventh or eighth grade for a almost two whole minutes while nearly blind without my glasses on. I don’t think that counts lol. I’ve seen it being played many, many times throughout the years, but for some reason I just never bought it until recently.
Lol yeah I always found it weird how Amanda fucking her tennis coach had this huge butterfly effect and caused all the events in the GTA 5 story to play out.
@@brocksells197 its not a discussion about who started the cheating. It’s about the single event that started everything. If amanda fucked some other dude none of the events would have happened. But Amanda fucked a guy who happened to be friends with a woman who knew martin madrazo. Amanda fucking THIS tennis coach in particular is what started everything
I definitely know the deeper meaning in a lot of stories and characters but whine it comes to explaining them I’m clueless at times and say gibrish. GTAV is a great story I truly loved the detail and the themes expressed through the characters. Like the one part where Trevor and Mike have a fight and they go back to where the beginning of the game took place and their conversation was a really well done scene that shows their relationship completely broken
I think there is one aspect you didn't fully get about Michael, what makes him a protagonist and not an antagonist: his journey into understanding what he did, into growing out of being the snake he used to be and still is. Deep down, he knows he is a huge part of his issues, he knows that betraying his friends was a bad decision and understands that he will never be a good person. And finally, he understands that he didn't take on as life of crime to get money, but for the thrill of the chase. And he finally found the best way out with the movie deal. When he chose the wrong way out, he stabbed Brad and Trevor in the back. But when he got the movie deal, he told Trevor face to tace. And when the Deathwish ending happens, he manages to tie up all the loose ends. He makes up with Trevor, takes out the people that want him dead, and lives a thrilling life as a movie producer with a family that doesn't hate him anymore
What makes Michael a protagonist is that you play as him so the story focuses him the most along F and T. You probably mean "Hero" and "Villain", but this is GTA, everyone is gray, so there are no real hero nor villain
@@nicocee2431 I think you're right that everyone in GTA are morally grey but I think villain protagonist or an anti-hero is an appropriate word for all protagonists in GTA. Vince Vance, CJ, and Franklin are anti-heroes.
@@poweroffriendship2.0 I meant the ones who are "good" are not really good, so the morale and ethics don't work like we are used to therefore they are 'gray' and kind of outside the hero-villain thing
@@nicocee2431 At least it depends on how you control the player whether you want to commit crimes and kill people or not in the in-game, but in the main storyline, the "heroes" in GTA have different morality and personality.
Trevor may be insane, but he’s the most heartfelt and loyal character. Micheal is a hypocrite, but does anything for a non corrupt leader or his family. Franklin’s a newbie but has a impact on the group that wouldn’t be there if not for Franklin.
@@martol7169 If you go into the guest room after the first few days in Floyds place when switching to Trevor, you'll see that Floyd is in the fetal position, crying, while wearing Debra's lounge clothes. In a piece of dialogue later edited out in an update that when Trevor vomits he says "Never eat Indian PEOPLE".
He did that because of the cat walking thare is it a good way to show that animals are walking around no honestly if he gave more time to it he would have seen a better example like the dogs going around but he needed to put a video out see it from both sided instead of instantly think RaCEiSt
only if it is a game that he drastically changed opinions over the years. In fact, I'd be interested to see the exact opposite: a game he once loved but now see too many flaws to let it fly by
I mean Brad does seem like the third wheel in the prologue heist, remember in the car Brad started bragging about roughing up the hostages, Michael literally gives him a sarcastic remark, and Trevor literally doesn't care. Almost as if Brad talking was annoying him.
Idk how much importance that dialogue in that hangout mission has. I don’t remember playing it, but the story definitely would’ve gone way differently if it Trevor didn’t care as much about Brad. Before the union depository he mentions Brad when Lester doesn’t/only mentions T, M and himself when he is referring to the past. Also Trevor went to Luddendorf to see if Brad was in the coffin. I gotta admit though that it‘s controversial, since Trevor went there to see if the story of Michael being in witness protection was fake, therefore exposing Michaels lies. He doesn’t go there for Brad specifically, but also he‘s partly there for him to see if he‘s in the coffin. Trevor was also the closest to Brad out of him, Michael and Lester. For me there is just too much indicating that Trevor at least somewhat cares about Brad, especially when he has a lot of conflict with Michael
A thought on the video: I choose to believe Debra shot floyd and trevor killed her in reaction to his death, it simply makes more sense to me he wouldn't just kill floyd like that
@@Spariteo i mean thats what the news said, and although trevor is quite insane, he still cares for people, especially Floyd because he live pretty long with him but didn't know who Debra is so he had no emotional connections with her so thats why he killed her
That shot wouldnmt have Killed Trevor anyway. Trevor can canoncially take on fort zancudo and the ballas, and johnny Kleibitz lost MC by himself. And you think little cuck dave norton is going to do the job e
No joke, when I was talking about the game in middle school, one of my friends said that he killed Trevor because he didn't want the other protagonists dying. Then I told him of the actual death wish ending
I thought most people thought deathwish was good, I never liked him but at the same time I felt so horrible while watching him burn to death after turning against him and all of that. It hurt a bit watching that and going through it
@@shizniddle3001 Trevor is extremely trusting. In the deathwish mission Michael and Trevor both pull a gun on eachother. Michael has his finger on the trigger ready to shoot at any time, while Trevor only has his finger next to the trigger. Even though Trevor is made to be the crazy one, his thoughts are voiced the most and he’s extremely predictable. While Michael is the worse psychopath.
I feel like the reason Franklin only got about a 6% cut is because to everybody else, he’s just another crew member. He doesn’t do any of the planning, maybe does some of the setup depending on you, and has a specific role, just like the other crew members.
I think canonically Franklin does help with the setups, considering he too gets messages from Lester about them, e.g. don't forget we need a getaway vehicle
I love how we're in the point of youtube where if someone says "raid shadow legends" you're in suspense for about 2 seconds to see if it's a joke or not
I only played through the Death Wish ending. I always took Michael's relationship with Franklin as fatherly. Like a do-over with a kid who cares unlike his own kids. He slips into his old self centered habits, but comes out a way better person. Plus, they all deserve the better ending.
Michael effectively tries to turn Franklin into Trevor, someone he can use for his own gain in robberies and efforts to get out of the FIB’s deal, but Franklin isn’t as vulnerable as Trevor and he begins to understand who Michael is and what he’s trying to do.
Franklin is incredibly intelligent. Despite being able to see right through most people's crap, his biggest flaw is that he doesn't know how to say no when someone tells him to do something.
You are completely fucking wrong, Franklin was already a hustler and wanted to make money and get out of the hood and Michael just gave him the opportunity to do so.
Jesus, I’ve never heard anyone vilify Michael so hard or enjoy the Kill Michael ending, that ending is brutal & doesn’t fit Franklin’s personality at all.
Hes wrong about Micheal in every sense of the word "wrong" You wanna know how? Because,Micheal gives F a chance out every time he can,and F stays loyal to him. Micheal looks out for F,even says in the first job his pay is gonna be shit and F doesnt care and does it anyway. Micheal treats F like a goddamn son,he wasnt using him.
It's not about personality. that is the point. All of them are criminals. Franklin would've stole 100s of cars and deliver drugs, that is indirectly ruining people's life. That's been clearly indicated in this game. This life of chess where everyone is ruining everyone else's game in some way shape or form. When they robbed so many banks. People suffered. Corporations didn't
I like the whole framework of the story basically being a cheesy, over the top Hollywood Action movie which was always the feeling I got from it and kinda fits the setting perfectly imo
Dude completely missed out the mission Bury The Hatchet, it was a crucial part of the story, imo. Both of them finally confronting each other about their differences and choices and how Trevor levaes Michael to be get killed.
It's more of a subplot. he was trying to figure out the morals of the story. That mission is a part of the story that makes sense. It humanises Trevor and for once puts Micheal in a situation he deserves
i personally feel you were a bit too hard on Michael. yes, he was an absolute piece of shit, but he demonstrated many times throughout the game a desire to change, and even makes genuine efforts to, but i feel like you glossed over this.
I agree, also one of his big motives of all his actions is not just himself, but also his family what makes his character a bit more redeemable, his monologue/inner thought in the end of this video shows it. But it hasn't been acknowledged or talked about in this video at all.
here we go again, you guys always fall in the character lie, just like with Water White, no, he don't want to change, he just lie and convenience to himself that is what he wants, but what he really wants is to feel alive, nothing not even the money make him feel alive, what make him feel alive is to be a gangster but he is too afraid to admit it since he tries to keep low profile, he's gonna do something dumb enough and get kill in some point of his life, that's why none of the finals in all the GTA franchise is really a happy ending, if you have check what happens with the GTA protagonists after the endings you for sure know what I'm talking about. GTA stories are about how bad people think, of courser they are charismatic but they are still bad people and they have bad endings just we don't see them.
@@NoNameAtAll2 it is, though. That's what makes Mo Yan, or Kawabata pretty great. Hell, that's what made the magical realism of the Latin American literary boom rise to prominence. It's also the style of Ernest Hemingway, among others. Real life "is" interesting. All you have to do is look closely and listen.
Honestly though! They were my least favorite characters in the game! Sure Michael May not be perfect but he cut a deal with a crooked FIB agent and got his friend killed to have a better life for his family! They live an easy comfortable life and they hate Michael for it
While what they do makes it look like they just suck, they don't just hate Micheal for no reason, he causes them to live a terrible life, they genuinely love Micheal but his manipulative and chaotic personality make everyone around him's life simply miserable for example, amanda cheated but she only did it because Micheal had cheated on her previously. His family just wants to be normal and that was promised but nothing changed. Thats why when the family comes back together its because they realize they need to change . It's just because he started to bring them back to their previous life they started to hate him but now that Micheal wants to change and is trying to change they regain their trust and begin to love him again.
@@nekilikizhrvatske3336 fax, plus she is a stripper and known to openly flirt with house-help all the time. Don't know why that guy tryna excuse the behaviour of amanda, as if to say "if a woman cheats its the mans fault"
Rockstar is basically Tarantino of gaming, rdr2 just screams Tarantino (brutal shootouts, KKK random encounters, mostly takes place outside of desert unlike most westerns) the only thing thats different is that it doesn't have much n-words with hard r in the script.
@@mpzakhaevski8988 yeah basically people today are too sensitive, realistically Arthur would've said the word because its common back then too describe black people but those sensitive loser would cancel the voice actor for saying it.
@@ididntmeantoshootthatvietn5012 Well those people sort of found a way to release their anger when some guy on youtube killed an annoying feminist in game (even youtube joined in by suspending the youtube account) and wanted the devs to restrict you from killing female npc's
My opinion on each character, their development and how it makes them relatable. Franklin, Franklin begins as a young man trying to move up in the world, but is being held back by the environment he lives in and his friend since childhood, but as he begins to, the new friends he makes end up bringing him into a life of crime that maybe could have been avoided. He ends up in a similar situation to Michael by the end, with an opportunity to betray his friends and live alone in an expensive home. But with the death wish ending, I think he learns to avoid making the same mistakes Michael did but also know to move on unlike Trevor. Michael, Michael is a man with a family and a life full of regrets and misery. As he's dragged back into a life of crime after an emotional outbreak with his wife. And as he realised his betrayals to his friends and mistakes, he tries to move on to a more comfortable life with movie production, but as his past catches up with him, he desperately breaks away and ties loose ends with a series of heists. With his family life repaired and life as a producer secured, Michael finally confronts his mistakes and moves on from his oast like he wanted to. Personally, people who think Michael is the bad guy or the correct option to kill, don't understand Michael and his arc personally. Trevor, Trevors story is one of a young mans dreams being broken down, his thoughts manipulated and his heart broken, and can't move on from the past, and his insanity takes him through a dark, repetitive cycle of revenge and crime against people who put his friends in danger multiple times but is always honest, loyal and trying to reconnect with his friend. The Deathwish Ending is the only one that can show all of these three and their progression. GTA is fantastic. And it'll always hold a place in my heart.
Trevor rapes his friend and eats people. He randomly shows up to hang and kills you if you even bump him wrong (try it)… not to mention eventually Trevor is going to do some more crazy shit. I think C is the best ending writing wise but to me Trevor can go for me. Sorry.
100% agree with your outlook on Micheal. People ALWAYS say that he uses Franklin for his own personal gain, and while there may be small instances where he did, I never once thought he didn’t care for him and truly wanted to protect him and guide him right. Choosing Micheal’s death and hearing Franklin say “I was your bitch, I could have been staring at the barrel of your gun any day” I was like wtf??? I never ever in my life thought that would happen. Sure it happened to Trevor, but that’s because they have history and a deal was made. I feel like Michael has learned enough not to do that again and how much it really ruined him and Trevor at the time. He’s not a great guy, but that doesn’t mean he can’t redeem himself.
28:21 Whats interesting here is that Franklin echoes EXACTLY the same thing that Michael says to him about "You keep running... one day your legs give and you can't run anymore" when he confesses about working with the Feds. Perhaps, in killing Michael, Franklin takes his place as being at the top and manipulating those below him. This is why, for me, killing Michael isnt actually the "good" ending at all. Franklin choosing to potenially sacrifice himself to avoid killing his friends in the deathwish ending is what truly breaks the cycle imo.
@Adam Nenimojejmeno oh god, if Trevor's haircut is a crime, this is the equivalent of the total accumulated crimes of the characters of every person to ever play GTA, except the NPC's are replaced with homeless veteran orphan children who have leukemia
Some problems: > Franklin doesn't hate Simion. He doesn't seem to like him much, either, he just tolerates him. > Trevor was not entirely manipulated by micheal into a life of crime. He was already a criminal, just to a much smaller scale, Micheal took him into the 'big leagues'. Trevor refers to his first score, which I think was before micheal (though I don't remember entirely) and he also mentions he killed small animals and 'drifters' as a child. ( This one's big. It gives the idea that Micheal is a massive manipulator, when he doesn't do ... at least, not intentionally.) > Micheal was not approached by dave. Micheal approached dave looking for a way out, since he had a family to worry about and he knew the crime spree wouldn't last forever. > Micheal didn't have any body armor in prologue that I know of, he just faked getting shot at all. > Micheal wasn't owed anything from Devon's car job, and not all the cars in that job were one of a kind. Only /two/ of them were, and one of them was a movie prop car. > You seem to think that Trevor killed floyd, as well, though this actually isn't the case. The news reports Floyd was shot, and debra was the only one with a gun. It's possible that trevor's plan actually ended up working, or Debra tried to shoot either of them and the other stopped it (as Debra was said to be stabbed, I believe, and Floyd had the knife. I find it most likely that Floyd was shot by debra and Trevor took his knife.) > Franklin was not 'taken advantage of' in the jewelry store heist. He got paid the same as pretty much every other standard or freshmeat crew member - Micheal even /tells him/ that the pay will be terrible and the risk will be high. He under no circumstances was anything but transparent with Franklin that the main draw of this was to learn a thing or two - he says it ver batem. > At around 24:50 you seem to imply that Micheal was encouraging that behavior. He's telling Franklin it isn't worth it and it won't get you far.. that's the idea of saying 'Maybe, just maybe, you'll become a three-bit gangster.' - it's very similar to saying 'Maybe, just maybe, you'll get a job as a manager at mcdonalds." > Around 25:30 you then say that he takes Trevor for his loyalty and Franklin for his naivitae, and call the jobs bad-paying for them. This is forgetting that Micheal is also horribly paid, and also is patently false on his motivations - he is upset that Trevor is involved and wishes to have nothing to do with him. Dave/Steve bring Trevor in. As for franklin, he TELLS FRANKLING TO LEAVE THE CITY. He very much does not want Franklin roped into these things, but Franklin insists on helping due to the whole 'loyalty' thing. > 27:04 is the height of your misunderstanding of micheal. He was going to invite Franklin over for dinner, and he frequently hangs out with him if they meet by chance. They were not using eachother, by any means.. even in this ending, Franklin realizes this and apologizes, but can't go back at that point. Micheal was Franklin's friend, and Franklin was Micheal's friend, real as can be. In the overall: You seriously misunderstand Micheal and his motivations, as well as his character and relationships, and even his general history. Sad, since this video is very well put together, but you seemed to have missed alot of crucial moments in the game to support an interpretation of the character which the game seems /determined/ to say is not true. Also, killing Micheal is definitely the bad ending. You kill your friend for no reason because you think he's using you against the evidence. Killing Trevor is not a good thing, to be sure, but he's a serious threat to everyone around him and can/will get either of them killed. Micheal's message is not to use others. It is to, at the end, care about yourself the most if you have to. He doesn't use everyone around him just because, if he has to, he'll use others as a scapegoat to save himself.
Your points are all correct, and honestly this is exactly what I expected from this guy's take on GTAV. When I saw the channel banner claiming to be "postmodern" it was damn near certain. See, when you hear "postmodern", get ready for a healthy dose of bigotry - someone who is willfully blind to things, and willing to manipulate them in order to fit a preconcieved narrative. in the childlike world of a postmodernist, one ethnicity is played up as a stereotypical greedy monster with no compassion or integrity, while the other ethnicity is portrayed as an honest, hardworking victim of 'the system' due to an insultingly exaggerated naive innocence. I guarantee that the creator of this video saw and even understood all of the moments highlighted in the comment I am responding to - and each and every one was immediately rationalized away for whatever reason made them feel the most comfortable at the time. A postmodernist will always run away from any facts which challenge their "viewpoint" (aka narrative), and if confronted directly, use every tool at their disposal *aside from debate* to eliminate the offending message. This video is trash designed to manipulate folks, which is why YT has artificially bumped it and this channel into peoples suggestions.
This was much more relevant to my life than I thought. I had just played gta after a long time and a lot of bullshit in my personal life.This made me question why I always felt cheated by friends. The fact I could go though the entire game idolizing Michael while he was exactly what I fear in real life is beyond a perspective change. And made me rethink a-lot of dead relationships. I know I’m still naïve but the fact I physically couldn’t see the manipulation in him hit me the same way life has always hit me. Amazing video
The actors dont put on voices for their characters. That's just their voice. The characters are also modeled after the actor in case you were wondering. So the characters look and sound exactly like their actor.
It's very hard to believe how gta v is one of the most known games out there, but there are barely any analysis videos on it So many channels just say "GTA lV good. V Bad" I recently replayed GTA 4 on PC at 60 FPS. It's a fun game. But the story ain't anything special. Having a depressing plot doesn't automatically make a story good. And even then, a lot of GTA 4 is Roman talking about how Brucie has small privates ir Roman pooping himself. *such mature story telling* The villains are *really lame* . Dimitri barely does anything. His betrayal isn't as impactful as Big Smoke's betrayal. The missions are terrible. None of them are a challenge. They're all either scripted chasing missions. Or really bad assassination missions. Vice City, San Andreas, and GTA V have way more creative mission design. Yeah. Those games have bad missions too. But not as many bad missions as GTA 4. *Money* is so useless in GTA 4. In Vice City, you needed money to progress the story. In SA, you earned money by taking over territory. You need money to gamble at the casino, buy property. In GTA V, yeah, money for the single player is kind of underused. But at least GTA V let you buy more stuff than GTA 4. Liberty City has nothing to offer but guns I guess. The clothing stores are limited. *where is the gym?* in SA CJ learns more fighting moves than Niko*
Except for TheJizzy which he still got a lot of interesting things about San Andreas and other GTA titles (despite the thumbnails are clickbaits but at least he's still honest).
I remember hating Trevor's character and sympathising most with Michael when I first played gta 5. Trevor seemed so irredeemable and his constant tendency to ruin any life he came into contact with, just made me hate him. I used to feel Michael was the only voice of reason in the three. Years later it pretty much feels the exact opposite, Michael destroys everything he touches and Trevor is the one trying to put things right in gta's fucked up world.
Trevor overall isn't an entirely terrible person. He is loyal to his friends till the end, doesn't usually pick fights and only kills mostly in self defense, spends time and enjoys being with Mike's kids, helps out people who need or want help ( no matter how weird he finds them), wanted to save his friend from prison even it was a suicide mission, and doesn't even try to kill you when you pick the option to betray Trevor.
Dude because of Trevor they got all got hunted down by merry weather and because of Trevor, Michael got kidnapped, tortured and almost killed by the Chinese lol. When Trevor came to Los Santos and reunited with Michael, all hell broke loose.
@@daddydallas4789 yeah, but what attracted Trevor's attention to go to los santos in the first place? It was the news about the jewel store heist that had Michael say his one liner and Trevor knew it was him because only Micheal would say that. So basically micheal was the reason for trevor going to LS
@@JRL_ Adding onto what you said, Trevor's behaviours in the latter two endings are also worth noting. If Franklin chooses to take Michael out, Trevor outright refuses to help Franklin, even when he'd previously stated that of anyone was gonna kill Michael, it would be himself. Trevor never planned on betraying Michael, even during their early friendship and partnership in crime, Trevor only wanted to cut Michael off, not kill him. Trevor DOES admit to considering killing Michael, but was stopped because, despite having no remorse for Amanda, he loved their kids dearly. After doing the deed and killing Michael, Trevor will call Franklin out as a traitor, should Franklin and Trevor run into each other. Trevor scorns Franklin for killing Michael after everything he'd done for Franklin, and warns Franklin to stay away from him after he tries insisting that Michael was just using him, claiming he "could not be trusted." At the finale of Deathwish, following the crew's murder of Devin Weston, when Michael says that they're gonna keep a low profile and return to their regular lives, Trevor chimes in with "as friends." This shows that he genuinely loves Michael and Franklin, and the first hangout between Michael and Trevor after this mission has Trevor apologize to Michael for everything he'd put him through, and the two finally agree on one thing... Brad was a dick.
Grand Theft Auto 4: acted more like a full on movie. If you also include The Lost and Damned/The Balled of Gay Tony as well. It still connects with many other parts of the story, they all happen around the same time and Niko, Johnny, and Luis butt heads at each other even without them noticing it like how Johnny was the one who kidnapped Roman to Dimitri's men and Niko had to get Roman back who didn't even know that the same man who helped out is the same man who kidnapped his cousin. It brings a lot more of this movie vibe that shows many sides of the story. Grand Theft Auto 5 has that Episodic feel where one episode has Franklin and Lamar doing there thing, while the next episode has Micheal reunite with Trevor. You see what I mean between the differences of how GTA 4 and GTA 5 are told with their stories
Tbh, It would be infinitely more interesting if the main antagonist was Ray Bulgarin, and not Dimitri, he's literally the driving force why Niko even moved to LC, that as well as the desire for revenge, and he literally showed himself to Niko and made me think he's some sort of bigger antagonist than Dimitri, but it turns out it was a mutt and Luis is the one doing Niko's work for him, biggest missed potential to see what kind of interaction Bulgarin will say to Niko.
To me it’s kinda unfair that Michael is blamed for wanting to kill Trevor in the Prologue. You gotta remember the guy has a family, so when someone that crazy (Trevor) is associated with the father of a family, you can see why it made sense why Michael wanted him gone.
to be fair, but Trevor was seen as a great person to the kids IMO. when he sees Tracy after all the years on the mission Trevor and Michael go on to stop her dancing live, she skims over her father being there and runs up to hug Trevor
People seem to idealize Trevor to an unsettling degree. Yes he has redeeming qualities. Yes he has a sad background. Does that offset: - Routinely threatening and bullying some of his closest associates, both of which view him genuinely as a friend (Wade and Ron) - Starting massive Gang wars for no other reason than for shits and giggles? (Lost MC and Triads) - Trying to steal a top-secret superweapon from a PMC to sell it to hostile nations abroad - Disrespecting a major part of their crew because of his disability (At least from what we see in the story, GTA: O arguably turned Lester into one of the most despicable creeps in videogame fiction) Every character we see Trevor interact with that he has known for a prolonged period of time is absolutely terrified of him. That includes some pretty hardened people, like Dave. Trevor getting killed would at least be the most logical of the non-canon endings.
So if we treat the game as a tv series that means for example the season finale for season 1 would be the jewelry heist ending with a teaser for Trevor Phillips and season 2 would be Trevor Phillips mostly ending with him reaching Los Santos.... Something like that to imagine.
Season 3 would be from when trevor meets michael again, to the end of blitz play, s4 would be from the mission where you race against two guys to steal their cars for devin, to when Michael and trevor have to evacuate to the desert. Season 5 would be from the mission after the one where they evacuate, to the one where trevor gives patricia back to martin. Season 6 would be from the mission where trevor kills floyd and debra, to the wrap up. And finally season 7 would be from the mission aftercthe wrap up, to the ending
Right? I was genuinely suprised when Trevor was made out to be this innocent person and Michael was the big bad taking advantage of him while poor desperate Trevor just wanted someone to give his loyalty to (completely ignoring that Trevor was already working a smuggling job for someone who he betrayed and violently killed when he first met Michael) Not to mention casually mentioning Michael just mows down civilians from time to time when that's something Trevor would do (It's implied he killed Wade's friends too)
It was explained in the game, to summarize: Michael knew the streets were too hot and the feds were coming after him, so in return he contacted a small town cop to help him give a career boost by faking his own death and letting the cop take the credit (the original plan was to kill Trevor but he got away.) Michael claims he did it to protect his family but idk.
and i think the reason he didnt notice he was using franklin was because after north yankton micheal was continuously talked down to by his famliy and i dont think he had any friends after north yankton
Imo the game was designed so that the players would flip back and forth between Michael and Trevor, not sure who was right or wrong - which I think is clever because neither is totally "right" or "wrong" in their crazy, messed up situation. I find them both (and Franklin) very sympathetic despite their flaws. 🧡
Also with the FIB, Michael didn't actually force his friends to help him out, they either did it out of loyalty or because the FIB forced them to. After the hospital mission, Michael actually tells Franklin to leave town so he won't get dragged into Michael's past, but Franklin stays out of loyalty.
I think what you miss about the Kill Michael ending is that Franklin only did it because Weston, one of the fake pyramid scheme SOBs told him to do it. Franklin even asks for more work from Weston after the ending but he tells him to fuck off. It’s just as much about becoming a jaded “three bit gangster” who’s only out for himself as the Kill Trevor ending was.
Franklin was originally going to die in the death wish ending and Lamar would become the third protagonist but Lamar's actor couldn't work with Rockstar's schedule to make it happen, so we got the death wish ending we all know.
franklin dying would be pretty bad. Like what message does it send. Usually a game or movie follows a plot in which the older guy who taught his son figure dies cuz he pursued a life of crime or miserable things. Franklin did do some bad things before meeting Michael, but Michael used him to get everything for himself and even taught franklin many ways of crime. Franklin is the younger character and him dying wouldn't do justice.
@@Whatacomedian_ Yeah lol, some lame rumor. Rockstar wouldn't even do that. Plus, I head tons of gta rumors like GTA Dubai where you kill the leader of UAE and so many other shit rumors.
this is the longest way possible to say "yes". Jokes aside I think GTA Vs story is fairly underrated and I honestly really liked the story and the world of GTA V.
Underrated? Really? I think the opposite, I honestly really hate the story, and the game overall is a giant disappointment to me. But a lot of people liked the story and the game, I'd say GTA 4 is underrated, definitely not 5.
@@jakub_zawadzki GTA 4 being underrated? Yeah no. Not only is it one of the highest rated games ever just as high as GTA 5. It's also the darling of the entire Rockstar community. People never shut up about it. Yet most haven't played it in over 5 years.
This guy's little sponsor speech was pretty good though. I'm already pretty paranoid of big tech and government spying on me and my family and the part were he said "when you try to search something and the first recommendation is exactly what you were looking for" freaked me the F out. I was walking outside today and I saw a car that I thought was pretty cool but I only saw the Hyundai logo and didn't know the name of the car so after I got home I decided to search to find it and I hadn't finished typing Hyundai that the first recommendation popped up and when I clicked it was the exact car I was looking for. And this stuff has happened to me tons of times before so I could relate a lot and i genuinely thought about buying nord for a sec.
@@kgkbuugj At That point you might has well forget using the web altogether, if you think VPN’s don’t save/store the data and resell it then you don’t know shit. You can’t escape from the government and big tech, they’ll always find a way to get your juicy data and exploit you.
@@Flow86767 True, the "VPNs hide your data" thing is just marketing bullshit. The only thing they do is give you a proxy IP, nothing more, nothing less. It doesn't even truly hide your real IP either. If you're gonna use it to watch netflix, sure, but don't count on it to keep your data secure. Making your own VPN is actually better, but obviously you'll need to be a bit tech savvy to set it up. And most people who buy VPNs for the BS reason of data privacy probably don't know this anyways.
The fact that you have enough freedom in the storyline to do sidemissions, different order of missions, etc. is a big plus in my opinion Great execusion I really really enjoyed it (but I played it over a longer time period instead of in a few sittings) People who grind the game most likely have a different experience when playing a SP title
another touch is seeing the different prospectives if you a do a michael mission in green as franklin the cut scenes only start at the point where the the character showed up (mainly referring to the mission were you pull down the house)
This video was eye opening for me. I always enjoyed Gta V, however Ive never got fully involved in the story. Leadhead,you have shown me the bigger picture. Thank you!
I never thought about the different endings this way. It’s actually really cool that the player gets to choose how Franklin’s character arc ends, and like you said, what lesson he learns during the story.
To me, GTA is a Tarantino movie. The characters and dialogue are great. They can be funny, profound, and heart breaking. The overall story arch, however, is unremarkable
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You didnt even mention lester at all? Hes pretty much the 4th protagonist!
Gotta meet that quota, bb
fuck nord lol
This actually was quite insightful. However, anyone who doesn't always knock down the orange street dividers on the bridge is not to be trusted.
street dividers go brrrrrr
If you drive through that bridge, you’ve always gotta hit those orange street dividers. It’s like an unwritten law
For some reason if I'm in a mission, besides that long truck driving one, I don't hit the dividers at all.
@@focalpoint._ i bring a motorcycle over there to test myself
Side note, the name for those street posts "delineator paddles".
Another thing I love about Deathwish, is how at the beginning Franklin says "It seems like people are always telling me to do stuff, I do it, and nothing changes." At the end, Devin tells Frank to kill Michael (and Trevor). In Deathwish, he makes his own choice, and gets a happy ending.
That's exactly how I felt when he said that. I went back and forth about what I was going to do on my last play through and decided to just go with my gut at the time. That line really stuck with me.
Insanity
@@mucicafrajerVaas Montenegro.
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“Nah, imma do my own thing”
The story happened all because Lamar doesn't get employee of the month
Lmao
If it wasn’t for the yee yee ass haircut
@Lamar Davis you didn't deserve it dawg
Would be funny if it was connected at all
@ he didn't, I agree.
The fact that my dad, who hated video games and thought they were a complete waste of time, sat through the entirety of GTA V and was absolutely enthralled by it despite never actually wanting to play himself, says to me that it’s a successful story, maybe not absolutely brilliant but perhaps that it feels like a long form movie is enough.
GTA V's story is aimed at a younger audience, it's more like a feel-good action movie, where plotholes and lack of depth doesnt really matter.
@@RedRiverChannel I like GTA V's lightheartedness
@@thegrayyernautThe story is well done for what it is, but many people don't like such story (Like me)
your dad has no taste. tell him to do the same to gta iv and let him witness a true masterpiece.
@@deathrager2404shut up and let a guy have fun
21:45 Micheal didn't rope Franklin into the FIB stuff. He literally met up with Franklin and told him to run for the hills before the FIB jobs even started. Franklin knew what he was getting into when he refused to leave LS
I think he meant roped in by association as in Michael already knew the FIB was on his case yet still chose to include Franklin in his crimes knowing full well it will catch the FIB/Daves eyes I mean they literally refer to Franklin as another expericend partner in crime who can help in the stuff they do
If Franklin was just another innocent friend I doubt the FIB would rope him in. He just acted carless
@@edz4prez204 The whole thing is basically unforseen consequences.
Michael told Frank that the job is hard and the pay is shit ans he went along with it.
It's obvious that Michael didn't expect Dave to show up right after and the Three's Company probably only happened since Dave couldn't keep how he got the files a secret or something.
Even on the car ride to the FIB lot he tries to sell Dave on Franklin beeing his car guy or whatever.
@@NoFlu meh depends on how you veiw I personally think Michael definitely knew because like seriously when Dave confronted him he was really calm and usually that means a person was prepared for the consequences or just didnt care infact Michael and Dave were more worried about trevor than the actual FBI.
Obviously Michael didnt want Franklin to get involved but Franklin still got involved that's definitely not on Michael but he seemed very aware that Dave would probably find out,
I'm not saying hes the bad guy because he did have to do the heist it wasnt really a choice but based on the fact that we know hes roped someone in before (him and trevor) it is a bit iffy
But like I said depends on how we view it he could have just not cared and didnt expect the FIB to have eyes on a small time "gangster" like Franklin and it was all Dave's fault which could be the case
But in the end Michael dosent seem like a bad person he just seems unstable
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"Hell, if this game just had chapter cards, it would've made the story structure make so much more sense"
I bet that's what Rockstar had in mind when they started writing Red Dead Redemption II
Yeah it makes sense
Yeah and in gta v there’s obvious points where the game shifts into new parts of the story
No it woulnt. The story is still all over the place
They did the chapter card thing so well in Bully
Says the one with an Arthur pfp. bOaH
I feel like GTA V's overall "message" is that chasing a materialistic life will leave you empty.
yeah, with the game being set in Los Santos(Parody of Los Angeles), It makes it more deep.
Ironically, rockstar forces you to pursue a materialistic life in GTA online.
seems like that. I whish gta v's message was more clear. it doesnt have a feel like the other games in the grand theft auto series.
@@thedrbat9572 it was so clear. If you live in America or you know about the american culture, you would understand the satire.
@@jagath3028 I do live in america moron. I was born here and I understand the culture well too.
I feel that deathwish is also Franklin making his own decision. Killing Trevor is what the FIB tell him to do. Devin Weston tells Franklin to kill Micheal. But death wish, it’s just Franklin. He controlled the ambush operation. He chose ending C
Deathwish is the best choice, and to be frank the other options were only there to root out the sniveling snakes who pretend to be your friend IRL.
@@nighthawkviper6791 Idk man
Franklin is the cleanest in the bunch in term of actual background.
But let's see : Michael is a violent, abusive father who's also a rat (like, literally, see what he did to his buddies during the North Yankton heist all whilst collaborating with corrupt feds)
And Trevor is an absolute psychopath who murders peoples (no matter the degree of innocence or lack thereof) on a whim.
My first playthrough I picked C but I can really see why someone might pick one of the other options
now I feel like I made the wrong choice lmao
Michael wasn't an abusive father, if you think he is, you haven't seen abuse.@@KalashVodka175
@@KalashVodka175 Sure, he was bad at times, but that's it.
"this game is about fighting back against the corporate world"
...and playing gtav online is showing that rockstar is a big part of it. Any more shark cards anyone?
will salmon cards do?
R* is just like Micheal after all
@@captainfreedom3649 just like devine*
@Plλyer i dont blame em at all, because grinding for money doing the exact same mission makes me wanna rip my teeth out.
@Plλyer Yeah using a trainer to give yourself money (especially when the alternative is either endless grinding or paying real life money) isn’t too bad but the people who use them to harass or dox people are the scum of the earth.
Beach in singleplayer: Nice LA beach with people sunbathing and running around
Beach in online: *O M A H A*
Never forget the jet engines from above
Kapitan, maybe we should move the sub to paleto bay instead...
@GreenishBt mhm. i have a couple " try-hard " friends and i play with them occasionally. its all snipers on the beach ?
The beach in Online is just one big reenactment of D-Day
Peyton?
It’s ironic how in this story Trevor, the most dangerous person in the room, is also the one you can trust the most. That adds a lot to his character.
Edit: To all the 100+ people that keep replying, do you really think I’m gonna bother reading and responding to you on something I wrote over 2 years ago?
That's why I couldn't kill him, he's loyalty is too strong even though he's insane. My protagonist (Franklin) needs someone like him around lol.
Franklin's whole character is blackman gangster😂😂
@@uma1440 Franklin's the softest GTA character ever lmao
Yea he isn't shady. Michael is basically a snake and will wait for his time to strike, you can't trust him
Probably why he is my favorite character
Even though Lamar and Franklin have similar but opposing mindsets on how to make serious money, Franklin cannot help but want Lamar around, because Lamar is the kind of friend everyone will have at one point in life: you may not have too much in common, you may not think the same way about anything, and you may never truly see eye to eye, but the experiences and surroundings you grew up together with are what bind you close like siblings.
And to be honest, those are the best kind of friends. The ones that truly remember the things you’ve been through
I’ve got no friends
@@deanfowles3707 nice
Lamar still sticked to Franklin even after GTA 5
@@deanfowles3707sucks to suck
Imo the arcs are. (Deathwish ending)
Michael: Goes from arrogant, depressed, evil, downer to understanding himself and regretting his life while also embracing it. He regrets his actions but by the end he’s happy with the family, friends and job he’s got. He finally gets out of his rot and learns that there’s more to life than crime.
Trevor: Learns to love and forgive. He longs for some sort of connection and by the end he’s happy. He’s living his best life with new and old friends. And a lover too.
Franklin: Learns how life works. He wants out of every situation he’s in because he learns that he will always be the little guy. Franklin both starts to dislike Michael and Lamar but by the end embraces them as friends. He knows Michael used him, but saves him anyway because Michael treated him like an actual human. He loved him as a son.
Franklin learns what life is and gets out of it before he has the chance to end up like Michael or Trevor. He also embraces his relationships.
I guess it’s a game about how, experience and friendship go further than money or corporate greed. If you break it down that far.
Thats a really good way to put it. Its truly an underrated story, and yet a story which resonates with a lot of people. I've never played the game, but I do remember seeing friends play it. I think the game really does show 2 ways to tackle life. You either play it safe and regret your descisions, or you risk it all for the best possible outcome. You can see Michael agreeing with the former and Trevor with the latter, and Franklin is caught between those two differening outlooks. It shows fucked up people in fucked up situations, but it also shows how sticking with like minded people to try to make something better All in all, stick with your friends, and try to be on the same page, because if you don't, then things will get hairy real fast.
dont forget that Michael's daughter would also still be going to college since technically that would happen
so not only did he found his life meaning, his life is finally for the first time going to the right direction
lol what? Trevor didnt learn love and forgive.
Yeah. I think the two other endings aren't canon and the deathwish ending is considered to be the best one.
@@kocant1274 Well, he actually did later in the game. A murderous psycho learned how to be a human being despite all the flaws and the abusive past.
I honestly have never done another ending besides the death wish. I’ve seen the others through videos and have just never thought it would feel right to pick any other option. Franklin, despite acting like he doesn’t, cares a lot about those closest to him. He goes above and beyond for Micheal, he tows for Tanisha, he tails some hillbillies just cus Trevor asked him to, and he saves Lamar enough times for it to be a running joke. The other endings see him changing a core value and have never set right with me.
Even though the characters are monsters and should rot in prison, I couldn't help but symphatize with them a lot. Especially Trevor. Killing him feels like straight up betrayal. Killing Michael is even worse imo, I genuinely think a part of him really cared for Franklin by the end.
I agree with this comment so much. I couldn't have said it better myself
Though he himself says, that he hates Lamar for constantly getting into trouble and being talked into saving him every time.
It feels like the multiple endings were a complete afterthought, meant to generate a false sense of depth.
I didn't do Deathwish during either of my playthroughs. I hate the thought of killing Michael or Trevor because it's wrong in so many ways. It's evil, treacherous, and very out of character for Franklin, who's proven himself to be immensely loyal to those he's close with, especially figures like Lamar and Tanisha, as well as Michael and Trevor. The consequences are dire and your enemies will stay walking in the process. In addition, Franklin's ties are broken as a result of his actions, and he can't face what he's done, hiding the truth about Michael's killing to Jimmy after The Time's Come, and in both that mission and Something Sensible, his ties with the survivor, Lester, and affiliates of his target are severed. Moreover, these endings show a cowardly side to Franklin, who chose to hit his target because of all the heat coming down on him from the FIB and Devin Weston, especially given he's just robbed the Union Depository, among the other crazy events that have taken place over the last few months. Franklin isn't a spineless sack of crap, and I'm glad Deathwish is canon.
I'd just like to point out that Michael's character arc in this game is basically the same as in Shrek Forever After
Also, amazing video leadhead keep on🔥
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Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?
@@arcana5899 for the last 5 days that's what i ask myself before going to bed
Ngl, the best part in the story (for me) is that family therapy mission, where Michael gathers his family up for a family session and then they get back together and the ending is just so wholesome for some reason... Also that mission might've had one of the best rage voice acting in all of everything
"I should have your sorry ass locked up years ago."
"Do it. I'll put you in the ground with the rest of them."
Michael threatening to kill Amanda out of rage is still chilling. It was his way of getting his frustration with his family out, and also showing his violent side surfacing. I think that it's really interesting that once Michael shows his buried violent nature instead of his faux-happiness, his family comes back to live with him again.
The therapy missions in general are underrated. They have one for each of the different chapters and if you visit them when they're available, you get a really deep insight into who Michael is as a person, and why he hates himself and his life despite everything he did to get it.
The car ride afterwards doesn’t get talked about either, I’m not the biggest fan of the Townley family but their reconciliation feels really good
Michael: HOW ABOUT, YOU SUCK MY COC!
Amanda: Wha-
Michael: HÆÀ!?
The intense story revolving around stopping the train really takes a deep look into society.
A society that we live in.
We live in a society
beat the train
@@airconditioner8212 this actuallly fails the mission lmao
Now FOLLOWING the damn train is a thing of true beauty.
It feels so wrong when I see the guys with different haircuts to the ones I gave them
Trevor doesn't look right if he's not on one of the polar extremes of facial hair.
Yeah I hate that, they changed outfits everytime then I had to go back to house and change em.Especially trevor who would just end up naked sometimes.
@@inkoinfinity2 the protagonists have diferent clothes likes and dislikes, if they like what their are wearing, they will wear it the next time you switch them.
@@fabriciobarriosproductions5836 ah
@@fabriciobarriosproductions5836 wait is that real?
One of the things that I always loved about GTA5, is how some of the cutscenes(mostly the not so serious cuscenes) have this realistic handshake and zooming in on either quiet or awkward breaks, it makes it feel like a reality show/comedy sitcom...imo
Yeah it kinda feels like the office, and the more serious missions is more cinematic
@@ididntmeantoshootthatvietn5012 yeah
The camerawork in general is some of the best I've seen in in-game cinematics to this day
It's good at getting you comfortable with the ambience
Michael's scenes are cinematic with fixed camera/panning, Franklin's scenes are handheld, and Trevor's scenes are handheld+zoom like a mockumentary
Lazlow is more complicated than that. Hes been in the gta games for quite some time and his career is actually ridiculously fleshed out compared to anyone other character.
Lazlow how been all over another form of media he can get his voice of face on. Hes gone through so many career shifts that it was inevitable he was would end up in Vinewood like this.
Ya this guy did a very base level take. Idk why this vid has sm views🤷♂️
Now I've played a few GTA games, but I don't quite remember Lazlow appearing in any of them. Which ones did he come out it?
@@TshidiMPulehe was on the radio in San Andreas, I dont remember any other game tho
@@Minka-ot9xlhe was in gta 4 as well on the radio
@@shukiwuki neat
Let's hope for a San Andreas analysis someday
praying for that 2 happen🙏
Fingers crossed!
@Human Being i thought the same, but after a little thinking, i see cj as a very deep and conflicted character, problem was the whole game's story is told a bit poorly
I know a spanish guy that made a ,pretty good might I say, video ab San Andreas. His @ is dayoscript, I dont know if it has gotten english subtitles yet but its worth checking out
THIS
Welcome to Los Santos is such a good fucking song
>song appears in radio while I'm being chased by cops
*maximum overdrive*
The Alchemist and Oh No are no joke. Alc is a legend.
@@dxqx3794 facts.
alchemist Bay beeeee
I must be one of the five people on this planet who don't like it
Such a shame we never got story dlc imo
Disappointed
They realized the live service, multiplayer crap made more money.
That's because rockstar to more interested in their stupid online
@@mikeyreza Improved the gameplay? You mean it was the exact same (no mechanical changes), while it effectively took a nose dive in every other area.
@@BDozer666 It actually decreased in quality imo. The parkour system in IV is a lot better than V, V's movement feels very bare bones. The only improvements they made were adding more vehicles, and that hardly counts.
16:30 actually no, while michael will absolutely kill if it is neccesary for a goal of his, he doesn't enjoy randomly killing people. he tells trevor "you didnt have to do that!" in prologue after trevor shoots the guard in the head to save michael, he doesnt kill the janitor for the fib heist and he's even willing to give up a gold bar to casey in the subtle big score heist. gunning down civilians is just something the player can choose to do
I thought it's because a bullet just landed right next to his ear and it was. Loud.
I agree but to be fair, the “You didn’t have to do that” line was because Michael promised Dave that it would be a clean job with no casualties, so once Trevor killed him, that was thrown out of the window and it would complicate his witness protection program a little.
If this wasn’t the case, Michael probably wouldn’t have cared that much about the guard’s death and may have thanked Trevor for the help.
@@lukefitton7329Witness protection for what??!! No one was convicted of anything!
@@vault6242 Hi Darkviper
@@lukefitton7329 i disagree it's in michaels character to NOT kill innocents because as he states "I always thought i was the good guy" a part of this is the fact that he doesn't kill innocents
benis
Oof
GTAO is at it's best when you go full dark knight joker mode
@@lmao.3661 GTAO is at best when not played
@@telankiristyssylinteriasetelma well obviously, but if you were tied down with a gun to your head you're best just RPing as a total anarchist
@@telankiristyssylinteriasetelma yeah I'd rather play roblox than play gtao
oh wait thats what i do
When Trevor heard that you wanted to kill Michael, he was pissed and didn’t want anything to do with it
When Michael hears you want to kill Trevor, he jumps at it and helps to kill him
Michael wanted to kill Trevor twice, he’s a shitty friend
Edit: I also forgot to mention that once your at the end of Ending A, if you wait a few minutes and don't "Put down Trevor", Michael takes the shot.
...And somehow after killing T, Michael kinda doesn't want to meet or hang out with Franklin...
@@gentaillahi6153 I think it's because deep down he knows that what they did was shitty, and just like he projected his laziness and vapidness onto his children, now he projects his traitorous nature onto Frank
@@tafua_a he knows that one day he'll be the one hold at gunpoint.
It only makes sense to have a separate ending that goes "go kill Trevor with Michael and then turn on Michael and kill him, basically backfiring at Michael for what he did in North Yankton, and also "succeeding" his mentor.
The C ending where everyone survives doesn't make sense after time and time game showed that Franklin "despised" them both for many reasons, Trevor being an uncontrollable maniac and Michael being a filthy rat, who just cares about himself and doesn't care about loyalty and friendship.
@@sanderjin1928 but Franklin is loyal and not going to let two assholes who used them to tell him who to kill
I think honestly the best part of the story of Franklin were the smaller missions with Lester. It was for a guy who wasn't strictly taking advantage of him, Franklin didn't dislike him and he paid every job back to Franklin (money, villa, stock opportunities, etc.).
Because Lester’s an honest guy and he’s worked with a lot of people. You’ve got people like the IAA coming to him for help with Avon Hertz. He’s built himself off of being reliable but more importantly someone who won’t betray you or take advantage of you.
After the recent "Contract" update, seeing how Franklin has gone places, broken out of his role AND kept his friends, makes me sincerely happy.
He hasn’t though. Same chick, same old friends. Just on a higher pay grade.
@@elijahnakumura4375 Franklin made his friendships work. He's no longer just stealing cars for some loser. And he owns a very profitable company.
@@elijahnakumura4375 the girl in the Contracts update isn’t Tanisha
@@MetalQueerSolidTwinQueers
But he’s married to Tanisha
I hate to be a downer but its kinda shit considering that now all the gta online stuff is cannon now. flying cars, flying bikes. franklin never got over tanisha, he never properly "Grew up". It implies him and trevor stopped speaking too
GIRL! the whole "imagine the game more as an episodic series" thing is literally exactly what I thought when I first played it.
edit: updated pronouns because I came across this comment while rewatching and realized I used the wrong pronouns
Same here lol
I think that’s why they did the chapters in red dead I think
Same lol
It was stated that San Andreas storyline was designed as a Series. So i GTAV following the same steps after they noticed that IV and others didn't impact as S.A was the right call.
I literally always do this. Cant even keep from self from doing it anymore
Before Michael gets involved with the government he meets Franklin at the hills and tells him to stay as far from him as possible and to "take a vacation" Franklin chose to get involved with the government. Michael isn't the bad guy, he gave Franklin exactly what he wanted, as he told franklin what he was getting into before every chapter of this story, as for Trevor I agree Michael was a hypocrite, but Trevor was batshit crazy before he even met Michael back in the Air Force.
If you remember the car ride with Dave Norton, he brought in Trevor without Michael knowing and he forced Michael to call Franklin to be involved or they would send “G-Men to his aunts house”
Before the Jewel Store Robbery, Michael told Franklin that he would get paid less and Franklin still took the job.
Exactly
Well yea but all of them are killers so thay are the bad guys 😅
Kinda feel like Michael is seeing Franklin kinda how he seen Trevor back when they first met except he tried to make things differently this time by looking out for him and being straight with him instead of setting him up like he did with Trevor
Michael wasn’t just looking out for himself, he was trying to help him and he genuinely cared about Franklin
It's easy to think that, and I'm sure even Michael believed that, but we all know that if it came down to it Michael would have Franklin killed to save himself
@@downwindfish1 that doesn’t mean he wasn’t looking out for Franklin or that he didn’t care about him
@user-cf3kl4uw6i of course, you can't exploit and further manipulate someone if they find out your true intentions with them or they end up dead
@@slavic_viking9638 is English your second language?
Well, I wouldn't say killing Michael is a good ending. Even though he might deserve it, you're betraying him. That's why after this ending Trevor calls Franklin a traitor and lose contact with him. And yeah, you make 2 kids fatherless and Amanda a widow.
Had Michael never tried to improve, had he never actually seen a way out of his tunnel of lies and backstabbing, it would be a good ending. However, he did
Hey jimmy is like 20 and Tracy is like 22 it’s not like they are 7 and 9.
i would say killing M is the neutral ending. certainly not bad.
I agree, it is in no way a good ending while yes franklin breaks the system he sticks close to his friends. However you like you said still betrayed another friend, left a family without a father and still left all your enemies alive. In c however Franklin still breaks the system yet did not abandon the comradery he had with micheal and trevor.
@@epicchocolate1866 does that make them losing their father any easier? Yea that might be able to handle it a lot better than they would as a child but I’m assuming your around that age 20 or so, would you not be devastated still if god forbid your father was to pass?
I liked your commentary on Trevor and Floyd. However, I think in some weird way Trevor cared about Floyd. The moment he hears about Debra cheating, the tone in his voice shifts to one more angry and defensive. Then later down the line a news report following the mission says that a man was found shot in the head and a woman stabbed to death. Implying that Debra shot Floyd and Trevor stabbed her in revenge. Plus that distressed look after he comes out looks much closer to grieving for someone he cares about than a "What the hell have I done?" sort of face
That's really interesting. That makes so much more sense now. But I don't know if it's so much Trevor having compassion for Floyd as it is him taking Debra's words personally. Trevor has a long history of betrayal coupled with serious neglect and abuse from his mother. It's no wonder he would snap when hearing Debra berate Floyd like that.
trevor was fully intending on paying floyd for helping with the merryweather heist. i actually think about that moment because i think it’s interesting to speculate... what happened when trevor came home that night? what treatment did floyd get? if the heist had gone well, would trevor’s treatment afterward towards him be better? either way there’s definitely some symbolism with floyd’s teddybear. trevor is destroying floyd’s innocence because his own was destroyed.
@Memescular except he feels remorse when people he genuinely cares about dies, all those other people he killed or watched die were people that he didn't give a shit about or his enemies. Why do you think he was so devastated when he watched Michael's supposed "death"?
Honestly i feel like Trevor was mad at Floyd for being used by his woman, and he tried to teach him to live a little and not to always follow the rules.
Yh that makes sense as Trevor was being very hard on floyd at the docks in a tough love sort of manner
How does the whole Solomon movie star side story involve Michael’s capitalist consumer lifestyle. It seems like Michael genuinely cares about making movies.
True he loves film
I guess it’s because it’s not necessarily Michael’s love for film but the film itself; Meltdown was literally a film about two Yuppies on Wall Street and that’s just about as consumerist as it gets. Clearly, Solomon doesn’t seem to give a shit about the quality of his films, anymore since many regard the film as a piece of shit anyways. Furthermore, Michael is the Assistant producer of the film; he serves no purpose in the creation of the film from what the player sees aside from having his name on the credits and doing Solomon’s bidding. Michael may love film but the film itself is a complete contradiction of this.
Cuz people wanna seem smart and wanna sound deep so they come up with bullshit
@@j-money2295 Ah yes ignore the messages that got here 3 days earlier. Smooth
Michael loves the idea of old Hollywood more than he loves film or the craft of filmmaking. I saw it as another facet of his cynical and jaded worldview. "They don't make em like they used to"
I like most of you’re points, although Micheal makes it very clear in the game that he was just trying to make sure that his family would be safe. Trevor was an unpredictable psycho with a criminal background, he couldn’t be trusted around Micheals family, Micheal wanted a way out of his criminal life, he was unaware of how much that life really meant to him. The North Yankton Heist is a good example of that. Micheal wanted a way out while his criminal *family* Brad/Trevor wanted to keep taking scores which according to Micheal would eventually end up in his death, which is reasonable thought when you think about how dangerous the heist were that he was taking on with them. Brad wasn’t as innocent as Trevor either as Lester and Micheal mentioned Brad was very annoying and down right stupid at times and was always leading them into bad situations, Micheal didn’t even want Brad dead he wanted him in prison, which is harsh but when you’re in the criminal life and making bad decisions you have to take that guy out of you’re crew so it’s almost generous of Micheal not have Brad killed.
But Trevor was thinking about cutting Micheal loose, and he very clearly cares about Michaels family
They all have criminal backgrounds LOL it's Grand Theft Auto 😂😂
I just realised that ive never seen a "real" GTA V singleplayer review from the youtubers I watch
this is the first time i've actually seen someone do an analysis of gta v's story, most people that put their two cents into the narrative dwells way too much on "it's not as dark as gta iv", which kinda misses the point, imo.
nice pfp bro
@@bit_ronic exactly man... I haven't seen actual analysis on GTA v. It's usually "gta iv good, gta v bad" that everyone says. Most of the reasons for this is apparently because gta iv took a dark turn and GTA v was different than that. I wish more people actually try to understand gta v story instead of making unfair and misinformed comparisons to gta iv
@@anattackhelicopter2680 when gta iv was the newest game in the series, i remember people were shitting on it for being too "edgy and dark", and also for having less stuff to do than san andreas.
seriously, back then san andreas was the game that was treated as the "holy grail"
nostalgia is really powerful, isn't it, when gta vi comes out people will probably see gta v the same way they see gta iv now.
@@bit_ronic that's actually true and you summarised it perfectly. I couldn't have said it better myself
It started with Franklin reposesing a car, and ended with stealing 200 million dollars worth of gold with a psychopath and a retired bank robber
I hate that misspelling but I can relate to it. Maybe thats why i hate it.
He’s not very retired is he then
Lol
Which is the psychopath and which is the retired bank robber 🤣
@@Jackaboo Both? Both. Both is good
*psychopath
I always figured the "kill Micheal" ending wasn't Franklin breaking out of the pyramid scheme but rather him picking up where Micheal left off. A manipulative, backstabbing snake.
ending b is in many ways, franklin taking on the worst of michael. it’s like his “surviving is everything” mantra he taught to franklin is backfiring against him
@@quirkypurple3 said it better than I did.
I view it as Franklin breaking the cycle, and getting rid of the dude grooming him into the life of crime. Franklin calling Lamar, who hasn’t really talked to in awhile, is indicative of that.
Franklin kills his mentor, then immediately calls Lamar, not his “partner in crime”, but his buddy. The dude who has been with Franklin for years. It says a lot about Franklin’s mindset after killing Mike.
Couldn't agree more.
@@owainraysor5108 “grooming him into the life of crime” Franklin was a serial killer long before he met Michael, his second mission is killing a dozen gangsters
My favorite always was Michael, he seems the most complex out of the three. Nothing too exceptional or anything, but I really like how fundamentally flawed his personality is and how aware he is of that. At it's core he is a bad person, and seemingly always was considering what he says to his psychiatrist, and even when he tries to amend things and start anew, his violent persona ends up raising two brats who hates him and an unhappy marriage filled with misery. He sacrificed everything and everyone he loved for a new life that he hates. Of course he would end up being a bitter asshole.
Despite everything he says about him, he obviously loves Trevor even after killing him in ending A since a couple in game days later, he basically blames Franklin for it and blocks his number, a very obvious way to cope and deflect guilt.
And just personally I love how he is written, his sarcastic banter and petty speech is just so funny to me, and of course Ned kills it with his performance.
i know lamar is a meme now but i always loved him, hes such a great character
That's why he's a meme
I'd really like to see him in the next gta as some sort of health influencer/spiritual guru/coach that actually believes the things he says 100%, and his beliefs have only gotten dumber.
oh man, if he had a radio program I'd listen to it on repeat.
@@marreco6347 i think the next gta is actually gonna be set in the 80s like vice city
@@lucywucyyy the problem is that they ran out of loose ends to tie in gta5 to gta6 so they can't do what they did did gta5. If anything, gta5 is pretty likely to be the end of the story for the HD universe
@Mentor Altaïr ibn la'Ahad yeah lol
i've always liked the story overall. because of how cinematic it felt.
The supet cinematic style has been immitated by so many open world games, and other types, over the past decade that I think people forget just how game changing GTA V felt in its production values and slick presentation when it came out.
I was shocked about how cinematic it was. I used to prefer Mafia over Gta but when I really started play Gta 5 missions I fell in love with the game, but I don't play games that much so I still haven't play it through but I will play it soon
Here before triggered GTA IV fans
Fucking well hit the nail on the fuckong head there, mate!
i dont becouse it is not serius like gta 4 so GTA 4 STORYLINE IS BETTER!
Reminds me of San Andreas. CJ wants to grow out of the hood. Sweet wants to stay loyal and status quo. Big Smoke came from the same school as Michael, look out for number one.
Tbh the only original GTA game story was GTA 4. Which is why it’s my favorite, it just felt so different compared to all the other games.
And then there’s Ryder nigga
CJ is the amalgamation of Franklin and Trevor, he wants out of the gang life, but he still remains loyal and true to his friends. He constantly mentions GSF and only did what he had to to free Sweet from jail. At the end, he stuck by his only true friend, AND his new friends, which probably was the best ending he could have.
number six with extra dip actually
During the story that Trevor tells Wade, when trevor starts going all over it towards the end, he does mention that Brad was planning to kill Michael but he got killed first. This was obviously before Trevor found out that Michael had attempted to sell them out.
And while hanging out, Trevor tells Franklin that if Brad didn’t get killed by the feds, he most likely would have done it himself anyways because “he was a dick”
I hope the gta v actors don’t get pissed at rockstar in the future, rockstar has a history of not paying their voice actors enough look at roman and CJ’s voice actors
Actually it's a discrepancy between actors union who didn't consider royalities for payment
Sooo....no more bowling cousin?
Yea they only bad niko 100k when rockstar got 100 of millions of dollars
And niko and tommy
Considering that John Marston's actor actually came back for RDR2 is proof that they actually paid good cash after the GTA IV debacle
"This video will be full of spoilers"
A warning, for those of us still living in 2013
I just played the game for the first time a few months ago.
@@gruntingskunk2237 That's incredible, ngl
I have yet to watch endgame albeit it isn't as old as this game. Spoiler warnings are always welcome in my book
@@TheLittleDinka I admit that I played it once in seventh or eighth grade for a almost two whole minutes while nearly blind without my glasses on. I don’t think that counts lol. I’ve seen it being played many, many times throughout the years, but for some reason I just never bought it until recently.
Gonna be honest, I have never actually finished the storyline of this game despite having a copy for like 5 years
Remember this all started because Micheal caught his wife cheating
Lol yeah I always found it weird how Amanda fucking her tennis coach had this huge butterfly effect and caused all the events in the GTA 5 story to play out.
@@Tony-gy1iy yea
That's really not correct though. If it wasn't for Michael cheating on Amanda in the first place, she wouldn't have done it to him.
@@brocksells197 its not a discussion about who started the cheating. It’s about the single event that started everything. If amanda fucked some other dude none of the events would have happened. But Amanda fucked a guy who happened to be friends with a woman who knew martin madrazo. Amanda fucking THIS tennis coach in particular is what started everything
@@brocksells197 I know but Micheal flipping out on her coach started the story
I definitely know the deeper meaning in a lot of stories and characters but whine it comes to explaining them I’m clueless at times and say gibrish. GTAV is a great story I truly loved the detail and the themes expressed through the characters. Like the one part where Trevor and Mike have a fight and they go back to where the beginning of the game took place and their conversation was a really well done scene that shows their relationship completely broken
Agree, super powerful scene.
I think there is one aspect you didn't fully get about Michael, what makes him a protagonist and not an antagonist: his journey into understanding what he did, into growing out of being the snake he used to be and still is. Deep down, he knows he is a huge part of his issues, he knows that betraying his friends was a bad decision and understands that he will never be a good person. And finally, he understands that he didn't take on as life of crime to get money, but for the thrill of the chase. And he finally found the best way out with the movie deal. When he chose the wrong way out, he stabbed Brad and Trevor in the back. But when he got the movie deal, he told Trevor face to tace. And when the Deathwish ending happens, he manages to tie up all the loose ends. He makes up with Trevor, takes out the people that want him dead, and lives a thrilling life as a movie producer with a family that doesn't hate him anymore
What makes Michael a protagonist is that you play as him so the story focuses him the most along F and T. You probably mean "Hero" and "Villain", but this is GTA, everyone is gray, so there are no real hero nor villain
@@nicocee2431 I think you're right that everyone in GTA are morally grey but I think villain protagonist or an anti-hero is an appropriate word for all protagonists in GTA. Vince Vance, CJ, and Franklin are anti-heroes.
@@poweroffriendship2.0 I meant the ones who are "good" are not really good, so the morale and ethics don't work like we are used to therefore they are 'gray' and kind of outside the hero-villain thing
@@nicocee2431 At least it depends on how you control the player whether you want to commit crimes and kill people or not in the in-game, but in the main storyline, the "heroes" in GTA have different morality and personality.
I'm thankful you said this. I felt this video kinda ignore how Michael had a character arc where he grew into a better person
Trevor may be insane, but he’s the most heartfelt and loyal character. Micheal is a hypocrite, but does anything for a non corrupt leader or his family. Franklin’s a newbie but has a impact on the group that wouldn’t be there if not for Franklin.
@GoTi4No He literally rapes Floyd in a opening cutscene and eats human flesh in a mission, wtf u on about lol
@@crackb0ne Since WHEN?
@@martol7169 If you go into the guest room after the first few days in Floyds place when switching to Trevor, you'll see that Floyd is in the fetal position, crying, while wearing Debra's lounge clothes.
In a piece of dialogue later edited out in an update that when Trevor vomits he says "Never eat Indian PEOPLE".
@@crackb0ne when did he rape Floyd…
@@jayyurj look up two comments
Lamar was supposed to play a major part in the game but the voice actor for him got into Trouble with the law and they had to change it
Absolute shame, Lamar Davis is probably the best character in the series. Everytime he opens his mouth is pure gold.
@@marreco6347 yee yee ass haircut
Source?
@@mannyoftheeast3318 look it up ,I didn’t see it anytime recent. last time I saw it I was really young
dog ass
5:15 “Animals are walking around” *cuts to Franklin and Lamar 💀 💀
He did that because of the cat walking thare is it a good way to show that animals are walking around no honestly if he gave more time to it he would have seen a better example like the dogs going around but he needed to put a video out see it from both sided instead of instantly think RaCEiSt
@@jaydiddy..I’m 90% sure he was joking
Monkey
I really like this format of "here's how I remember this game being" and then re-evaluating as you replay, would be cool to see this with other games
COD black ops 1
only if it is a game that he drastically changed opinions over the years. In fact, I'd be interested to see the exact opposite: a game he once loved but now see too many flaws to let it fly by
For anyone who doesn’t know, in a hangout mission Trevor says to Franklin that he didn’t really like Brad. So it was all for nothing
He also said it was because he felt betrayed plus Brad was part of The Old crew so Trevor still somewhat cared about him
I mean Brad does seem like the third wheel in the prologue heist, remember in the car Brad started bragging about roughing up the hostages, Michael literally gives him a sarcastic remark, and Trevor literally doesn't care. Almost as if Brad talking was annoying him.
@@Abandonsoyciety Lester also says to trever that Brad was a lazy, stupid price of shit in one mission
Idk how much importance that dialogue in that hangout mission has. I don’t remember playing it, but the story definitely would’ve gone way differently if it Trevor didn’t care as much about Brad. Before the union depository he mentions Brad when Lester doesn’t/only mentions T, M and himself when he is referring to the past. Also Trevor went to Luddendorf to see if Brad was in the coffin. I gotta admit though that it‘s controversial, since Trevor went there to see if the story of Michael being in witness protection was fake, therefore exposing Michaels lies. He doesn’t go there for Brad specifically, but also he‘s partly there for him to see if he‘s in the coffin. Trevor was also the closest to Brad out of him, Michael and Lester. For me there is just too much indicating that Trevor at least somewhat cares about Brad, especially when he has a lot of conflict with Michael
@@cjin3680 he said didnt like, not didnt care
it angers me so much that online overshadowed this game's story, genuinely so underrated
A thought on the video: I choose to believe Debra shot floyd and trevor killed her in reaction to his death, it simply makes more sense to me he wouldn't just kill floyd like that
@@Spariteo Yea, because news report you can see after the mission says that Floyd was found shot in the head, and Debra was one with a gun
@@Spariteo i mean thats what the news said, and although trevor is quite insane, he still cares for people, especially Floyd because he live pretty long with him but didn't know who Debra is so he had no emotional connections with her so thats why he killed her
Yeah the previous games ls stories were better I'd replay gta 4 or San Andreas befor ei even rethink about gta v.
So tru, my friends say online is better cuz they think story mode is boring
I actually never realized that’s why Brad was shot because he simply walked in front of Trevor lol.
if Brad was a little slower then the entire plot of the game wouldn't happen
That shot wouldnmt have Killed Trevor anyway.
Trevor can canoncially take on fort zancudo and the ballas, and johnny Kleibitz lost MC by himself.
And you think little cuck dave norton is going to do the job e
Oh my god I absolutely love this take on the endings. Most people just say “Trevor bad, kill Trevor ending good”
No joke, when I was talking about the game in middle school, one of my friends said that he killed Trevor because he didn't want the other protagonists dying.
Then I told him of the actual death wish ending
The kill Trevor ending made me feel bad. Trevor would have never turned on me.
I thought most people thought deathwish was good, I never liked him but at the same time I felt so horrible while watching him burn to death after turning against him and all of that. It hurt a bit watching that and going through it
@@shizniddle3001 Trevor is extremely trusting. In the deathwish mission Michael and Trevor both pull a gun on eachother. Michael has his finger on the trigger ready to shoot at any time, while Trevor only has his finger next to the trigger. Even though Trevor is made to be the crazy one, his thoughts are voiced the most and he’s extremely predictable. While Michael is the worse psychopath.
@@gavind351 Most people thought deathwish was a mission where franklin saves both his friends and then dies in the process.
I feel like the reason Franklin only got about a 6% cut is because to everybody else, he’s just another crew member. He doesn’t do any of the planning, maybe does some of the setup depending on you, and has a specific role, just like the other crew members.
He also got the house in the hills
@@Sir_Maximus_Hardwood that comes when he does the first assassination for Lester, which comes a little later in the story
I think canonically Franklin does help with the setups, considering he too gets messages from Lester about them, e.g. don't forget we need a getaway vehicle
I love how we're in the point of youtube where if someone says "raid shadow legends" you're in suspense for about 2 seconds to see if it's a joke or not
I felt that
and then immediately shilling something just as bad after lol. Fyi I don't care, people gotta make money, but still it's kinda funny.
I only played through the Death Wish ending. I always took Michael's relationship with Franklin as fatherly. Like a do-over with a kid who cares unlike his own kids. He slips into his old self centered habits, but comes out a way better person. Plus, they all deserve the better ending.
Michael effectively tries to turn Franklin into Trevor, someone he can use for his own gain in robberies and efforts to get out of the FIB’s deal, but Franklin isn’t as vulnerable as Trevor and he begins to understand who Michael is and what he’s trying to do.
Franklin is incredibly intelligent. Despite being able to see right through most people's crap, his biggest flaw is that he doesn't know how to say no when someone tells him to do something.
@@sirreal1524 he can even understand dog
@Anessen yeah. The kid were actually glad to gain his score from heists, he’s chosen this life on his own
@Anessen maybe he was doing it unknowingly
You are completely fucking wrong, Franklin was already a hustler and wanted to make money and get out of the hood and Michael just gave him the opportunity to do so.
Jesus, I’ve never heard anyone vilify Michael so hard or enjoy the Kill Michael ending, that ending is brutal & doesn’t fit Franklin’s personality at all.
Hes wrong about Micheal in every sense of the word "wrong"
You wanna know how? Because,Micheal gives F a chance out every time he can,and F stays loyal to him. Micheal looks out for F,even says in the first job his pay is gonna be shit and F doesnt care and does it anyway. Micheal treats F like a goddamn son,he wasnt using him.
I agree! None of the 3 characters are perfect by any means but I Wouldn’t kill any of them
It's not about personality. that is the point. All of them are criminals. Franklin would've stole 100s of cars and deliver drugs, that is indirectly ruining people's life. That's been clearly indicated in this game. This life of chess where everyone is ruining everyone else's game in some way shape or form. When they robbed so many banks. People suffered. Corporations didn't
Trevor is the literal psychopath he's the only one that's a truly bad guy.
Trevor may be a pcyo and crazy but at the same time he's the only one who can be trusted unlike Michael or Franklin
I love how the First mission foreshadowed the last heist, Lamar and Franklin end the race going threw the Union Depository which they rob at the end
And Solomon Richards studio
I remember seeing this playing for the first time and thinking "oh, I guess that'll be the final mission" eh close.
Agreed, it made me remember the beginning! It was a good feature they had
@@Steveo3420nlies
I like the whole framework of the story basically being a cheesy, over the top Hollywood Action movie which was always the feeling I got from it and kinda fits the setting perfectly imo
The first time I played it my opinion was: "Trevor funny"
My opinion is still: "Trevor Funny"
Trevor very funny! :D
the funniest clowns are the saddest...
@@senkodan Cringe
@@HOTD108_ oh oh stinky
So in conclusion...
Trevor funny
Dude completely missed out the mission Bury The Hatchet, it was a crucial part of the story, imo. Both of them finally confronting each other about their differences and choices and how Trevor levaes Michael to be get killed.
It's more of a subplot. he was trying to figure out the morals of the story. That mission is a part of the story that makes sense. It humanises Trevor and for once puts Micheal in a situation he deserves
I disagree. I feel like the story could have continued without that mission and it was more like almost fanservice
One of my favorite moments in the story, for sure.
@@willbowes8748 how?
@@poko60 how is bury the hatchet a subplot it’s the catalyst for the whole story
I like how Michael represents Rockstar in its current state
Edit: thanks for the likes (and the correction)
Just one last DLC then we'll make gta 6
Michael literally is so easy to spell
@@mikaele *is literally
@@mikaele my bad
@@mikaele yeah Micheal is easy to spell
This perfectly describes the absolute beauty held within this story
31:42 My man just killed two people and parked just to punch a mime, what a lad.
I would do the same if i was trevor
i personally feel you were a bit too hard on Michael. yes, he was an absolute piece of shit, but he demonstrated many times throughout the game a desire to change, and even makes genuine efforts to, but i feel like you glossed over this.
I agree, also one of his big motives of all his actions is not just himself, but also his family what makes his character a bit more redeemable, his monologue/inner thought in the end of this video shows it. But it hasn't been acknowledged or talked about in this video at all.
Out of the 3 I think Michael is the only one who had any character progression and he does change a lot and I like him the most
here we go again, you guys always fall in the character lie, just like with Water White, no, he don't want to change, he just lie and convenience to himself that is what he wants, but what he really wants is to feel alive, nothing not even the money make him feel alive, what make him feel alive is to be a gangster but he is too afraid to admit it since he tries to keep low profile, he's gonna do something dumb enough and get kill in some point of his life, that's why none of the finals in all the GTA franchise is really a happy ending, if you have check what happens with the GTA protagonists after the endings you for sure know what I'm talking about.
GTA stories are about how bad people think, of courser they are charismatic but they are still bad people and they have bad endings just we don't see them.
@@PEDROGARCIA-qj3gr who is water white?
@@GrockleTD Breaking Bad man
Sounds like real life from begining to end, real life doesn't need a moral to the story and good guys don't always win.
Real life often has some pretty shitty writting, though.
@@bickboose9364 Exactly. Rorke's Drift reads like a bad fanfiction, but it's entirely real
Real life style isn't interesting
A majority of the events during the pandemic sounds like a bad wattpad book
@@NoNameAtAll2 it is, though. That's what makes Mo Yan, or Kawabata pretty great. Hell, that's what made the magical realism of the Latin American literary boom rise to prominence. It's also the style of Ernest Hemingway, among others. Real life "is" interesting. All you have to do is look closely and listen.
You did your sponsor correctly, you didn't spend 10 minutes talking about it and went straight to the point. We need more UA-camrs like you
Personally Michael’s family are the biggest antagonist in this story
Honestly though! They were my least favorite characters in the game! Sure Michael May not be perfect but he cut a deal with a crooked FIB agent and got his friend killed to have a better life for his family! They live an easy comfortable life and they hate Michael for it
While what they do makes it look like they just suck, they don't just hate Micheal for no reason, he causes them to live a terrible life, they genuinely love Micheal but his manipulative and chaotic personality make everyone around him's life simply miserable for example, amanda cheated but she only did it because Micheal had cheated on her previously. His family just wants to be normal and that was promised but nothing changed. Thats why when the family comes back together its because they realize they need to change . It's just because he started to bring them back to their previous life they started to hate him but now that Micheal wants to change and is trying to change they regain their trust and begin to love him again.
@@Spariteo amanda cheated on michael 9 times and it was probably before michael did it himself
@@nekilikizhrvatske3336 fax, plus she is a stripper and known to openly flirt with house-help all the time. Don't know why that guy tryna excuse the behaviour of amanda, as if to say "if a woman cheats its the mans fault"
@@nekilikizhrvatske3336 Amanda says, and Michael doesn't disprove it, that she started cheating on him only after she found him cheating first
I think its dialogue shines more than its story. It almost feels like playing a game written by tarentino.
Rockstar is basically Tarantino of gaming, rdr2 just screams Tarantino (brutal shootouts, KKK random encounters, mostly takes place outside of desert unlike most westerns) the only thing thats different is that it doesn't have much n-words with hard r in the script.
@@ididntmeantoshootthatvietn5012 There are 3 times i do remember NPCs saying it, but they probably wanted to avoid drama and all that.
@@mpzakhaevski8988 yeah basically people today are too sensitive, realistically Arthur would've said the word because its common back then too describe black people but those sensitive loser would cancel the voice actor for saying it.
@@ididntmeantoshootthatvietn5012 Well those people sort of found a way to release their anger when some guy on youtube killed an annoying feminist in game (even youtube joined in by suspending the youtube account) and wanted the devs to restrict you from killing female npc's
@@debilman9065 yeah i remember his name was shirrako or something, of they got mad at that, imagine what they'll do if the actor says the n word
My opinion on each character, their development and how it makes them relatable.
Franklin,
Franklin begins as a young man trying to move up in the world, but is being held back by the environment he lives in and his friend since childhood, but as he begins to, the new friends he makes end up bringing him into a life of crime that maybe could have been avoided. He ends up in a similar situation to Michael by the end, with an opportunity to betray his friends and live alone in an expensive home. But with the death wish ending, I think he learns to avoid making the same mistakes Michael did but also know to move on unlike Trevor.
Michael,
Michael is a man with a family and a life full of regrets and misery. As he's dragged back into a life of crime after an emotional outbreak with his wife. And as he realised his betrayals to his friends and mistakes, he tries to move on to a more comfortable life with movie production, but as his past catches up with him, he desperately breaks away and ties loose ends with a series of heists. With his family life repaired and life as a producer secured, Michael finally confronts his mistakes and moves on from his oast like he wanted to. Personally, people who think Michael is the bad guy or the correct option to kill, don't understand Michael and his arc personally.
Trevor,
Trevors story is one of a young mans dreams being broken down, his thoughts manipulated and his heart broken, and can't move on from the past, and his insanity takes him through a dark, repetitive cycle of revenge and crime against people who put his friends in danger multiple times but is always honest, loyal and trying to reconnect with his friend.
The Deathwish Ending is the only one that can show all of these three and their progression.
GTA is fantastic. And it'll always hold a place in my heart.
This
I LOVE THIS, it really good and show each character
Trevor rapes his friend and eats people. He randomly shows up to hang and kills you if you even bump him wrong (try it)… not to mention eventually Trevor is going to do some more crazy shit. I think C is the best ending writing wise but to me Trevor can go for me. Sorry.
After Franklin moved to the big mansion he almost turns to an npc
100% agree with your outlook on Micheal. People ALWAYS say that he uses Franklin for his own personal gain, and while there may be small instances where he did, I never once thought he didn’t care for him and truly wanted to protect him and guide him right. Choosing Micheal’s death and hearing Franklin say “I was your bitch, I could have been staring at the barrel of your gun any day” I was like wtf??? I never ever in my life thought that would happen. Sure it happened to Trevor, but that’s because they have history and a deal was made. I feel like Michael has learned enough not to do that again and how much it really ruined him and Trevor at the time. He’s not a great guy, but that doesn’t mean he can’t redeem himself.
28:21 Whats interesting here is that Franklin echoes EXACTLY the same thing that Michael says to him about "You keep running... one day your legs give and you can't run anymore" when he confesses about working with the Feds.
Perhaps, in killing Michael, Franklin takes his place as being at the top and manipulating those below him. This is why, for me, killing Michael isnt actually the "good" ending at all. Franklin choosing to potenially sacrifice himself to avoid killing his friends in the deathwish ending is what truly breaks the cycle imo.
The only crime done in this game is Trevor's haircut...
Edit: I just rewatched and saw Franklin's haircut. Leadhead, please seek therapy.
Indeed
Blame the hairdresser... Trevor was even nice enough to tattoo where to cut and even then he failed...
@Adam Nenimojejmeno lemme rewatch the video I missed franklin's cut
@Adam Nenimojejmeno oh god, if Trevor's haircut is a crime, this is the equivalent of the total accumulated crimes of the characters of every person to ever play GTA, except the NPC's are replaced with homeless veteran orphan children who have leukemia
Franklin’s yee-yee ass haircut
Some problems:
> Franklin doesn't hate Simion. He doesn't seem to like him much, either, he just tolerates him.
> Trevor was not entirely manipulated by micheal into a life of crime. He was already a criminal, just to a much smaller scale, Micheal took him into the 'big leagues'. Trevor refers to his first score, which I think was before micheal (though I don't remember entirely) and he also mentions he killed small animals and 'drifters' as a child.
( This one's big. It gives the idea that Micheal is a massive manipulator, when he doesn't do ... at least, not intentionally.)
> Micheal was not approached by dave. Micheal approached dave looking for a way out, since he had a family to worry about and he knew the crime spree wouldn't last forever.
> Micheal didn't have any body armor in prologue that I know of, he just faked getting shot at all.
> Micheal wasn't owed anything from Devon's car job, and not all the cars in that job were one of a kind. Only /two/ of them were, and one of them was a movie prop car.
> You seem to think that Trevor killed floyd, as well, though this actually isn't the case. The news reports Floyd was shot, and debra was the only one with a gun. It's possible that trevor's plan actually ended up working, or Debra tried to shoot either of them and the other stopped it (as Debra was said to be stabbed, I believe, and Floyd had the knife. I find it most likely that Floyd was shot by debra and Trevor took his knife.)
> Franklin was not 'taken advantage of' in the jewelry store heist. He got paid the same as pretty much every other standard or freshmeat crew member - Micheal even /tells him/ that the pay will be terrible and the risk will be high. He under no circumstances was anything but transparent with Franklin that the main draw of this was to learn a thing or two - he says it ver batem.
> At around 24:50 you seem to imply that Micheal was encouraging that behavior. He's telling Franklin it isn't worth it and it won't get you far.. that's the idea of saying 'Maybe, just maybe, you'll become a three-bit gangster.' - it's very similar to saying 'Maybe, just maybe, you'll get a job as a manager at mcdonalds."
> Around 25:30 you then say that he takes Trevor for his loyalty and Franklin for his naivitae, and call the jobs bad-paying for them. This is forgetting that Micheal is also horribly paid, and also is patently false on his motivations - he is upset that Trevor is involved and wishes to have nothing to do with him. Dave/Steve bring Trevor in. As for franklin, he TELLS FRANKLING TO LEAVE THE CITY. He very much does not want Franklin roped into these things, but Franklin insists on helping due to the whole 'loyalty' thing.
> 27:04 is the height of your misunderstanding of micheal. He was going to invite Franklin over for dinner, and he frequently hangs out with him if they meet by chance. They were not using eachother, by any means.. even in this ending, Franklin realizes this and apologizes, but can't go back at that point. Micheal was Franklin's friend, and Franklin was Micheal's friend, real as can be.
In the overall:
You seriously misunderstand Micheal and his motivations, as well as his character and relationships, and even his general history. Sad, since this video is very well put
together, but you seemed to have missed alot of crucial moments in the game to support an interpretation of the character which the game seems /determined/ to say is not
true.
Also, killing Micheal is definitely the bad ending. You kill your friend for no reason because you think he's using you against the evidence.
Killing Trevor is not a good thing, to be sure, but he's a serious threat to everyone around him and can/will get either of them killed.
Micheal's message is not to use others. It is to, at the end, care about yourself the most if you have to. He doesn't use everyone around him just because, if he has to, he'll use others as a scapegoat to save himself.
I hate this video, and this comment explains it.
Michael did have body Armor, if you slow down the sniper shot, the bullet has sparks
Your points are all correct, and honestly this is exactly what I expected from this guy's take on GTAV. When I saw the channel banner claiming to be "postmodern" it was damn near certain. See, when you hear "postmodern", get ready for a healthy dose of bigotry - someone who is willfully blind to things, and willing to manipulate them in order to fit a preconcieved narrative.
in the childlike world of a postmodernist, one ethnicity is played up as a stereotypical greedy monster with no compassion or integrity, while the other ethnicity is portrayed as an honest, hardworking victim of 'the system' due to an insultingly exaggerated naive innocence. I guarantee that the creator of this video saw and even understood all of the moments highlighted in the comment I am responding to - and each and every one was immediately rationalized away for whatever reason made them feel the most comfortable at the time.
A postmodernist will always run away from any facts which challenge their "viewpoint" (aka narrative), and if confronted directly, use every tool at their disposal *aside from debate* to eliminate the offending message.
This video is trash designed to manipulate folks, which is why YT has artificially bumped it and this channel into peoples suggestions.
I think you can literally see in my comment where I realize further and further how blatantly this dude misunderstands the story
@@bryanpratt3933 yeah.. if I saw him describe himself as 'postmodernist' I wouldn't have bothered watching.
Guys...You gotta realize that this story only happened because of a Train....
"another damn train"
There's always a goddamn train
Never follow the DAMN train.
Only Jesus can beat the train
@@mistiik1337 True
This was much more relevant to my life than I thought. I had just played gta after a long time and a lot of bullshit in my personal life.This made me question why I always felt cheated by friends. The fact I could go though the entire game idolizing Michael while he was exactly what I fear in real life is beyond a perspective change. And made me rethink a-lot of dead relationships. I know I’m still naïve but the fact I physically couldn’t see the manipulation in him hit me the same way life has always hit me. Amazing video
Yeah, you were/are probably weak. Michael is pretty pathetic if you think about it.
Mike's VA even sounds like Michael when talking normally
I wonder why that is
The actors dont put on voices for their characters. That's just their voice. The characters are also modeled after the actor in case you were wondering. So the characters look and sound exactly like their actor.
Yeah. This isn't nolan north who tries to fake voices
@@Disissid19 fake?
@@Disissid19 Lol, it's not faking voices. It's acting
It's very hard to believe how gta v is one of the most known games out there, but there are barely any analysis videos on it
So many channels just say "GTA lV good. V Bad" I recently replayed GTA 4 on PC at 60 FPS. It's a fun game. But the story ain't anything special. Having a depressing plot doesn't automatically make a story good. And even then, a lot of GTA 4 is Roman talking about how Brucie has small privates ir Roman pooping himself. *such mature story telling* The villains are *really lame* . Dimitri barely does anything. His betrayal isn't as impactful as Big Smoke's betrayal.
The missions are terrible. None of them are a challenge. They're all either scripted chasing missions. Or really bad assassination missions. Vice City, San Andreas, and GTA V have way more creative mission design. Yeah. Those games have bad missions too. But not as many bad missions as GTA 4.
*Money* is so useless in GTA 4. In Vice City, you needed money to progress the story. In SA, you earned money by taking over territory. You need money to gamble at the casino, buy property. In GTA V, yeah, money for the single player is kind of underused. But at least GTA V let you buy more stuff than GTA 4.
Liberty City has nothing to offer but guns I guess. The clothing stores are limited. *where is the gym?* in SA CJ learns more fighting moves than Niko*
“MrBossFTW Intensifies”
Except for TheJizzy which he still got a lot of interesting things about San Andreas and other GTA titles (despite the thumbnails are clickbaits but at least he's still honest).
@@poweroffriendship2.0 thejizzy and real k3vin
Back when it came out, it wasn’t a big thing to do analyses or video essays. I’d just say it’s a result of the times.
@@rubyy.7374
Yeah. But even old games like the n64 zelda games or Dark Souls have a lot of analysis essay type videos on them.
I remember hating Trevor's character and sympathising most with Michael when I first played gta 5. Trevor seemed so irredeemable and his constant tendency to ruin any life he came into contact with, just made me hate him. I used to feel Michael was the only voice of reason in the three. Years later it pretty much feels the exact opposite, Michael destroys everything he touches and Trevor is the one trying to put things right in gta's fucked up world.
Trevor overall isn't an entirely terrible person. He is loyal to his friends till the end, doesn't usually pick fights and only kills mostly in self defense, spends time and enjoys being with Mike's kids, helps out people who need or want help ( no matter how weird he finds them), wanted to save his friend from prison even it was a suicide mission, and doesn't even try to kill you when you pick the option to betray Trevor.
Dude because of Trevor they got all got hunted down by merry weather and because of Trevor, Michael got kidnapped, tortured and almost killed by the Chinese lol.
When Trevor came to Los Santos and reunited with Michael, all hell broke loose.
@@daddydallas4789 yeah, but what attracted Trevor's attention to go to los santos in the first place? It was the news about the jewel store heist that had Michael say his one liner and Trevor knew it was him because only Micheal would say that. So basically micheal was the reason for trevor going to LS
@@bartman247cc2 yea michael should have been more careful because all trevor causes is mayhem and trouble
@@JRL_ Adding onto what you said, Trevor's behaviours in the latter two endings are also worth noting.
If Franklin chooses to take Michael out, Trevor outright refuses to help Franklin, even when he'd previously stated that of anyone was gonna kill Michael, it would be himself. Trevor never planned on betraying Michael, even during their early friendship and partnership in crime, Trevor only wanted to cut Michael off, not kill him. Trevor DOES admit to considering killing Michael, but was stopped because, despite having no remorse for Amanda, he loved their kids dearly. After doing the deed and killing Michael, Trevor will call Franklin out as a traitor, should Franklin and Trevor run into each other. Trevor scorns Franklin for killing Michael after everything he'd done for Franklin, and warns Franklin to stay away from him after he tries insisting that Michael was just using him, claiming he "could not be trusted."
At the finale of Deathwish, following the crew's murder of Devin Weston, when Michael says that they're gonna keep a low profile and return to their regular lives, Trevor chimes in with "as friends." This shows that he genuinely loves Michael and Franklin, and the first hangout between Michael and Trevor after this mission has Trevor apologize to Michael for everything he'd put him through, and the two finally agree on one thing...
Brad was a dick.
Watching this video it’s very clear Trevor is this guys favorite character lmao
Never understood the appeal. Trevor is so overdone that he's cringe. Probably why Steven Ogg hates being associated with it
Grand Theft Auto 4: acted more like a full on movie. If you also include The Lost and Damned/The Balled of Gay Tony as well. It still connects with many other parts of the story, they all happen around the same time and Niko, Johnny, and Luis butt heads at each other even without them noticing it like how Johnny was the one who kidnapped Roman to Dimitri's men and Niko had to get Roman back who didn't even know that the same man who helped out is the same man who kidnapped his cousin. It brings a lot more of this movie vibe that shows many sides of the story.
Grand Theft Auto 5 has that Episodic feel where one episode has Franklin and Lamar doing there thing, while the next episode has Micheal reunite with Trevor. You see what I mean between the differences of how GTA 4 and GTA 5 are told with their stories
Tbh, It would be infinitely more interesting if the main antagonist was Ray Bulgarin, and not Dimitri, he's literally the driving force why Niko even moved to LC, that as well as the desire for revenge, and he literally showed himself to Niko and made me think he's some sort of bigger antagonist than Dimitri, but it turns out it was a mutt and Luis is the one doing Niko's work for him, biggest missed potential to see what kind of interaction Bulgarin will say to Niko.
To me it’s kinda unfair that Michael is blamed for wanting to kill Trevor in the Prologue. You gotta remember the guy has a family, so when someone that crazy (Trevor) is associated with the father of a family, you can see why it made sense why Michael wanted him gone.
to be fair, but Trevor was seen as a great person to the kids IMO. when he sees Tracy after all the years on the mission Trevor and Michael go on to stop her dancing live, she skims over her father being there and runs up to hug Trevor
People seem to idealize Trevor to an unsettling degree. Yes he has redeeming qualities. Yes he has a sad background. Does that offset:
- Routinely threatening and bullying some of his closest associates, both of which view him genuinely as a friend (Wade and Ron)
- Starting massive Gang wars for no other reason than for shits and giggles? (Lost MC and Triads)
- Trying to steal a top-secret superweapon from a PMC to sell it to hostile nations abroad
- Disrespecting a major part of their crew because of his disability (At least from what we see in the story, GTA: O arguably turned Lester into one of the most despicable creeps in videogame fiction)
Every character we see Trevor interact with that he has known for a prolonged period of time is absolutely terrified of him. That includes some pretty hardened people, like Dave. Trevor getting killed would at least be the most logical of the non-canon endings.
@@Donnerbalken28 he's just a little silly
@@nienel Imagine having a crazy lunatic with psychotic bursts near your children
@@themagicalgamer6522 agree, to be fair
So if we treat the game as a tv series that means for example the season finale for season 1 would be the jewelry heist ending with a teaser for Trevor Phillips and season 2 would be Trevor Phillips mostly ending with him reaching Los Santos....
Something like that to imagine.
So like every season is like a segment run like in speedrun but a couple are combined like fresh meat with third way segments
Season 3 would be from when trevor meets michael again, to the end of blitz play, s4 would be from the mission where you race against two guys to steal their cars for devin, to when Michael and trevor have to evacuate to the desert. Season 5 would be from the mission after the one where they evacuate, to the one where trevor gives patricia back to martin. Season 6 would be from the mission where trevor kills floyd and debra, to the wrap up. And finally season 7 would be from the mission aftercthe wrap up, to the ending
Michael slander is wild in this video
Right? I was genuinely suprised when Trevor was made out to be this innocent person and Michael was the big bad taking advantage of him while poor desperate Trevor just wanted someone to give his loyalty to (completely ignoring that Trevor was already working a smuggling job for someone who he betrayed and violently killed when he first met Michael)
Not to mention casually mentioning Michael just mows down civilians from time to time when that's something Trevor would do (It's implied he killed Wade's friends too)
darkviperau explaining why michael was never in witness protection:
“WITNESS PROTECTION FOR WHAT? NO ONE WAS CONVICTED OF ANYTHING!”
@@Deejy1 YEEEEES
@@Deejy1 "AT NO POINT IS HE IN WITNESS PROTECTION!!!"
It was explained in the game, to summarize: Michael knew the streets were too hot and the feds were coming after him, so in return he contacted a small town cop to help him give a career boost by faking his own death and letting the cop take the credit (the original plan was to kill Trevor but he got away.) Michael claims he did it to protect his family but idk.
@@jonts7 Thats called enthusiasm or whatever.
I don't think Michael is that bad. While he does end up using Trevor and Franklin, there were moments where he showed he truly cares.
and i think the reason he didnt notice he was using franklin was because after north yankton micheal was continuously talked down to by his famliy and i dont think he had any friends after north yankton
Imo the game was designed so that the players would flip back and forth between Michael and Trevor, not sure who was right or wrong - which I think is clever because neither is totally "right" or "wrong" in their crazy, messed up situation. I find them both (and Franklin) very sympathetic despite their flaws. 🧡
Also with the FIB, Michael didn't actually force his friends to help him out, they either did it out of loyalty or because the FIB forced them to. After the hospital mission, Michael actually tells Franklin to leave town so he won't get dragged into Michael's past, but Franklin stays out of loyalty.
Franklin was paid less than micheal because he was a rookie on his first job. Every other heist splits the pay up evenly.
Replaying the game I noticed that all 3 of them do nothing but complain and blame others for thier problems.
I think what you miss about the Kill Michael ending is that Franklin only did it because Weston, one of the fake pyramid scheme SOBs told him to do it. Franklin even asks for more work from Weston after the ending but he tells him to fuck off. It’s just as much about becoming a jaded “three bit gangster” who’s only out for himself as the Kill Trevor ending was.
Anti-capitalism, the satire is suppose to be anti-capitalism, while at the same time creating a lucrative game exploiting capitalism
I hate Anti capitalism Every Socialist Country everyone has escaped from them
Just like real life we’re living in irony
Franklin was originally going to die in the death wish ending and Lamar would become the third protagonist but Lamar's actor couldn't work with Rockstar's schedule to make it happen, so we got the death wish ending we all know.
A RDR style ending, I would love that. If Rockstar really made a GTA V Story DLC I was sure that Lamar would have been the protagonist
franklin dying would be pretty bad. Like what message does it send. Usually a game or movie follows a plot in which the older guy who taught his son figure dies cuz he pursued a life of crime or miserable things. Franklin did do some bad things before meeting Michael, but Michael used him to get everything for himself and even taught franklin many ways of crime. Franklin is the younger character and him dying wouldn't do justice.
Shut up. Im tired of yt fake facts. Lmào
@@Whatacomedian_ Yeah lol, some lame rumor. Rockstar wouldn't even do that. Plus, I head tons of gta rumors like GTA Dubai where you kill the leader of UAE and so many other shit rumors.
@@jagath3028 no but this was confirmed by rockstar. Lamars actor got into some legal trouble
this is the longest way possible to say "yes". Jokes aside I think GTA Vs story is fairly underrated and I honestly really liked the story and the world of GTA V.
Underrated? Really? I think the opposite, I honestly really hate the story, and the game overall is a giant disappointment to me. But a lot of people liked the story and the game, I'd say GTA 4 is underrated, definitely not 5.
Wouldn't be a very good video if it was just "yes" would it.
@@jakub_zawadzki GTA 4 being underrated? Yeah no. Not only is it one of the highest rated games ever just as high as GTA 5. It's also the darling of the entire Rockstar community. People never shut up about it. Yet most haven't played it in over 5 years.
@@palico004 Really? I honestly almost never hear it talked about it nowadays, and when I do, it's not in a good context.
@@jakub_zawadzki gta v is amazing I honestly think its a great game
It's funny because VPN ads are just as obnoxious as Raid.
At least Nord isnt a glorified casino.
This guy's little sponsor speech was pretty good though. I'm already pretty paranoid of big tech and government spying on me and my family and the part were he said "when you try to search something and the first recommendation is exactly what you were looking for" freaked me the F out. I was walking outside today and I saw a car that I thought was pretty cool but I only saw the Hyundai logo and didn't know the name of the car so after I got home I decided to search to find it and I hadn't finished typing Hyundai that the first recommendation popped up and when I clicked it was the exact car I was looking for. And this stuff has happened to me tons of times before so I could relate a lot and i genuinely thought about buying nord for a sec.
@@kgkbuugj At That point you might has well forget using the web altogether, if you think VPN’s don’t save/store the data and resell it then you don’t know shit. You can’t escape from the government and big tech, they’ll always find a way to get your juicy data and exploit you.
Im like "Who cares atleast my lonely ass is being noticed by some perv or multi billonnaire company"
@@Flow86767 True, the "VPNs hide your data" thing is just marketing bullshit. The only thing they do is give you a proxy IP, nothing more, nothing less. It doesn't even truly hide your real IP either. If you're gonna use it to watch netflix, sure, but don't count on it to keep your data secure. Making your own VPN is actually better, but obviously you'll need to be a bit tech savvy to set it up. And most people who buy VPNs for the BS reason of data privacy probably don't know this anyways.
The fact that you have enough freedom in the storyline to do sidemissions, different order of missions, etc. is a big plus in my opinion
Great execusion
I really really enjoyed it (but I played it over a longer time period instead of in a few sittings)
People who grind the game most likely have a different experience when playing a SP title
another touch is seeing the different prospectives if you a do a michael mission in green as franklin the cut scenes only start at the point where the the character showed up (mainly referring to the mission were you pull down the house)
This video was eye opening for me. I always enjoyed Gta V, however Ive never got fully involved in the story. Leadhead,you have shown me the bigger picture. Thank you!
I never thought about the different endings this way. It’s actually really cool that the player gets to choose how Franklin’s character arc ends, and like you said, what lesson he learns during the story.
Ya know, the VAs kinda look like their in-game characters. But Trevor definitely does look the most like his VA.
it’s almost like they’re modeled after the voice actors
@@lummoboi crazy right
@@lummoboi crazy
@@lummoboi could be
@@lummoboi This just blew my mind
To me, GTA is a Tarantino movie. The characters and dialogue are great. They can be funny, profound, and heart breaking. The overall story arch, however, is unremarkable