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I'm a POM who lives in Australia. I think Helen has made a fair analysis of the situation, but one thing she omitted was the ability of state governments to close borders and isolate their population has created a highly compartmentalised country. Western Australians are effectively imprisoned in their state, unable to leave. This is prohibited by the UN Convention on Human rights, set up after the Nuremberg trials. Nonetheless, Western Australians are generally in favour of this move because of the sense of safety this affords them. Premiers of individual states have a lot to lose by letting Covid 19 across the boarder. Australians would rather live in an open prison rather than confront the outside world and it's problems. People in other Western countries tend to fail to appreciate the scale of a Australia. The UK would fit 32 times into Australia, yet it has the population of London and the home counties (25million). Between each capital are endless horizons of harsh almost featureless plains and low mountain ranges of a few thousand feet. The cities are like mediævil city states from the point of view of policing. And the premier of the state very readily assumes the role of the Sherif of Nottingham.
What I have found amazing is that what the states did with borders and mandates is completely unconstitutional. Whilst the PM has made a few feeble criticisms of the states, he has made no attempt to legislate against their actions. Ultimately he is responsible for the crimes against humanity, and that's what I believe they are, of the states and territories.
The issue with a federalised system is that there's little to gain from being the outlier - ie not imprisoning people for this b-list virus. Perhaps the number of states in the USA is sufficient to allow for competing narratives. Plus, Australia doesn't seem to have a culture of liberty, but rather toeing the line.
@@gavinsmith8375 I'll admit, I don't like the knee jerk response I'm having now about Australia. The idea of the state apparatus ever getting one cent from my tourism is enough to keep me away. We need to hear more from the sane Australians.
What a treat it is to listen to an intelligent person who is given the time to speak her mind without the hectoring and interruptions so prevalent in the MSM.
There's a lot of overthinking going around; a lot of words, very little insight. Sometimes, it just is what it looks like. Deep dives into the whys and wherefores can wait. There are a bunch of authoritarian, collectivist bullies who are used to getting their own way and, in common with the rest of the West, people are waking up to it rather late in the day. Canada is hot on the heels of Australia, NZ in the same ball park. It's not about the uniquely Australian character. It's what happens when you fall asleep at the wheel after giving your guns up years ago.
@king offa I agree we need to find a way that works. You may not think guns are important; the state certainly does, though. Which is why, in the US, there is so much attention paid to it and bills working their way through Congress. Plus, there are 300 million of them. It complicates matters for a tyranny and it means they will have to take losses which, in turn, means that they have to sell the plan harder. And it's why many tyrannies have ensured they disarm their citizens first.
@king offa The UK has a different political system. The US system was designed with checks and balances in place, an armed militia being one of them. Remove one measure and the entire edifice in under threat. Hamilton at Dunblane did for handguns, yes. I don't believe there was ever anything like the Second Amendment in the UK. But, as a general point, subduing the unarmed is a more appealing prospect than attempting same against a citizenry with rifles. That cannot be done quietly.
yes exactly. I suspect she is overthinking what is going on. the soviet union was a globalist statist operation as the EU is and America also... all these system seek to spread (supposedly) "democracy" and freedom by force. covid in Australia is just an example of this.
@king offa I'm not so sure. middle america seems to pose a specific problem because it would have the power (in theory) to physically resist the state and to engage in armed rebellion. this restrains the possibilities open to the elites. in Europe there is no possible resistance of the population...big difference...
@@aristotlesmith3840 She is rambling in search of justifications. But the camps have no possible justification, because the virus will reach the aboriginals, sooner or later, with or without abusing the rest of the population. Australia, Canada, N Zealand, and some european countries are putting a creepy show on.
It’s odd how we saw the Australians as people who weren’t concerned with 20 foot Crocs, 15 foot sharks, deadly Snakes and Spiders and now see them lose their shit over a virus that isn’t particularly dangerous to the vast majority of the population.
I am totally confused by the reaction in Australia to covid . This is a country where they have spiders, snakes and crocodiles that can kill you and they live with them without any great reaction or fear. It is the last country I would have expected to go over the top regarding covid.
@@kelvincasing5265 Fail Yes but not epic. mab158 got the statement out. It's an interesting idea. I've heard from a few Aussies over the years that the Ab"original" community don't do well when drinking alcohol because they're not used to it. Give the Aborigines the right to their own destiny. I think Helen is catastrophising the threat to the tribes. It's for your own good. If it was a little tribe in the Amazon the msm would be on it like a rash.
wonbadood So if you were in charge, you'd be "brave" and take the risk that the death rate might be much, much higher? And if you were wrong, I guess you'd shrug your shoulders, chuckle and say "too bad fellas, we were a bit off there, better luck next time"
@@paulwary much like how the global economy and movement was completely shut down, medical treatments and diagnoses paused and delayed, millions forced into starvation and poverty, not to mention spikes in acute mental health issues and suicide - all because of the flawed Imperial College projection model? They have shrugged their shoulders about the lasting devastation their mistakes caused.
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” ― C. S. Lewis
I like that quote and It applies to Australia very well. Far from being a nation of rugged individualists our governments are so risk averse that we are kept under cotton wool. Their Covid over--reaction is entirely predictable.
I would agree with you, but that would be some people not most. People by enlarge want to live inside a reasonably fair/structured society where elected public servants can be held accountable and can be removed by Democratic process..Its rapidly becoming obvious we are moving in the opposite direction from this. If the ultimate intention is to hold people down while they are injected against their will then at that point public servants will have become authoritarian masters...if they can get away with that they can get away with anything...a government awarding itself ever increasing powers wasn't on the Conservative manifesto..and the really worrying part is that the main opposition party are their cheerleaders..they can't wait to take a turn with this amount of power at governments disposal...at this stage democracy is on life support..I think its fair to say most of those sitting pretty in Westminster would like to see it dead, its no longer of use to them.
@@MrRadiorobot Not really in the west no. Otherwise social support wouldn't be so popular. People get whole bunch of social benefits and public stuff, but for price. Whole Scandinavia, Ireland, UK, Germany etc. Majority of people are strong supporters of all these. It's like with kids who are getting support from rich parents during their college. Parents buy them flat, car, pay for tuition etc. And then the kids are being surprised that parents puts restrictions and conditions in place. If someone is giving you money it's never free. It's even worst in case of nanny states as gov doesn't have money and have to rob others. So you may even have people who are really after freedom, but are forcefully being robbed (in form of taxes) to sponsor system which they are against.
@@nieczerwony what you describe is how most western Liberal societies work.. The majority aren't welfare dependant, but the bill for social support is the biggest burden to government, you can see how they would like to off load it, the majority of population pay into the system, it fails when you have tax avoidance..the Starbucks and amazon's of this world..but then you look at who owns them, black rock, vanguard etal.. They have fingers in all pies including governments..they could fix it if they wanted, instead we edge further down this unattractive road that your average person is going to detest.. The welfare dependant may well see no difference at all to their circumstances..on the other hand there is something most sinister about the govs partially revealed plan..if the intention is to simplify the system, end consumerism, get rid of the dead wood, perhaps the 'serve no purpose to society' will be repurposed? ..all options for speculation are firmly on the table..there are certainly hidden agendas in play..yes there always has been, but I don't buy the 'save humanity from c19' narrative when the real threat to the planet is apparently too many humans.. You would think a killer v*rus would be embraced by government to cure the problem...we will only know in hindsight what the plan is/was.. Until then all is conjecture. Thanks for the chat, a pleasure 😉
Tax cattle Indeed. Jabs aren't free they are paid for by taxpayers. Australian mandates have ensured a continuous transfer of taxpayers money to enrich big pharma, four boosters a year is the return on human cattle.
In my country the curriculum has been changed so that ‘indigenous understandings’ (nothing to do with science) have been introduced into the science class at school. Taught in the science class alongside science.
I have been wondering what on earth has happened over there. Especially after seeing a clip of Michael Gunner ranting and raving aggressively as though he's lost it...
The NT situation has far more to do with being overwhelmingly politically left than memories of introduced diseases. There’s practically no private industry in the NT especially in remote communities. Public servants have embraced the Woke idealogy totally independenf thought is an offensive to the majority of these people.
Hmm, we have to protect aborigines from a contagious disease.... I know! Instead of letting them live isolated and dispersed over a wide desert area, let's put them all together in a camp on a big jolly heap, all served by staff who is in constant daily contact with the outside world. That's how you deal with contagious disease outbreaks! It's all for your safety folks! Brilliant. What the hell are they putting in water down under?!
@@aceofswords1725 Yes, this concentration of population is isane. In fact these are Concentration camps in the original South African sense of the term.
Greetings from Germany. I returned from Sydney a few months ago, after a one and one half year sentence, and I confess the same expectation of Aussies being friendly, rugged individualists, similar to Texans. Wide from the truth. Aside from the pathological fixation on coffee and body shaping something was not right in the state of Denmark. People did not look at each much less greet each other upon meeting on the sidewalks. (I lived in Kirribilli). There were signs everywhere to control your behaviour. The train's intercom was one long monolog of threats to conform to transportation rules. QR codes and temperature monitoring... When I mentioned to my 90 year neighbour that I thought it was a bit over the top that the police should arrest and handcuff (in front of her young children) a young pregnant women because she critiqued the Victoria police's lockdowns on Facebook I was met with blank incomprehension. Your guest's rationization of authoritarianism in the Northern Territories is a red herring. When she went on about how efficient the Aussie government ran things I couldn't help think of the German commandant in Lina Wertmueller's "Seven Beauties". Just looking after the aborigines are you? Snake oil! I won't buy it! We have every reason and the duty to condemn the Australian governments' totalitarian behaviour.
The UK just throws around permanent residence and citizenship. In Malaysia you have to be married and remained in the country for 5 years before you can even apply. Even after completion of all paperwork they are in no hurry. 12 years and counting. They have no worries about throwing illegal immigrants out of the country and they aren't particularly gentle in how they treat them. They would make short work of people crossing the channel. They wouldn't make it the the shore line and they most assuredly wouldn't be "intercepting" them to give them a lift.
@Helsby Yeah, having said that Austria doesn't give any extra favours for UK citizens to immigrate or just come and work...as I understand it. I wouldn't be opposed to essentially freedom of movement between UKUSCANAUSNZ but the UK, US and to some degree Canada has destroyed that with welcoming in Islamists with abandon.
@William---- British citizenship is nothing special anymore , does not invoke pride in the country . Everybody and his / her dog seems to be ''british''. Citizenship that is given out like plastic toys in a cornflakes packet is not respected. This is a product of voter loyalty to traitor parties. Real brits need to lift their game and sort this out.
@Aussie Pom Boris is a liberal masquerading as a conservative. We might be getting rid of him very shortly. Watch this space. In the Spectator the week in 60 minutes (on you tube) Douglas Murray says we have had 11 years of Not Labour. We haven't had a Conservative government since John Major.
I now understand the bulk of what I have been witnessing in Australia is cultural! Brilliant interview. Everyone in the US, UK & Australia should see this. Thank you so much!
I'm Australian and I disagree with what Helen says about Australians. There are an increasing number of people who are openly against democracy and against freedom of speech - much more than I have seen at any time in the past. There is a marked increase in authoritarianism. Our universities are equally in disarray as they are in the U.S, and equally as corrupt. Australia is "no nonsense" no more. Our urban societies are disconnected from reality. "Forced choosing" means you don't have a choice, and here in Australia the choices are diminishing by the day. This isn't something new, but has been building up for many decades.
Couldn't agree with you more. I left Australia in 2000 (I live in the US of A now). I never knew true freedom until I landed on US soil (yes, there are problems, but sometimes that's a price you have to pay for freedom). I rarely visit Australia now, and every time I return to this great republic and get off a plane, I feel like kissing the ground. Many of my family and friends are now in the process of relocating here.
@@MnemonicCarrier Yeah, the freedom to go bankrupt if you are seriously ill. The freedom to by shot by the Police or in a minor altercation with your neighbour. The freedom to live in a land of robber barons like Bezos, paying workers a pittance and paying for joy flights for himself into space. The freedom to work 50 weeks a year without break, to have 5 days sick leave, to be dismissed at a moments notice if your boss doesn't like you. The freedom to have to carry a child to full term even if it is the child of a rapist or so malformed it will die within hours of birth, if you live in a State like Texas or Mississippi where they are just waiting for the politically stacked Supreme Court to overturn Roe v Wade. The freedom to back a turkey like Trump that infected people with Covid, and oversaw the death of almost a million of his compatriots whilst denying the disease and selling quack remedies like "exposing your lungs to the sun" or "drinking bleach". The freedom to be the working poor and despite horrendous hours, live in atrocious conditions and never be able to get a head. The freedom to.....you get the point.
@@montecarlo1651 Yeah, much of what you've mentioned it true, but a lot of it is also hyperbole (or exaggerations of extremes). Also, most of what you've written could be equally applied to any country. Take the UK for example - their healthcare system has basically shut down completely (for the most part), and it has transformed itself in to nothing more than a covid treatment center (or vaccination center). And for better or worse, at least we can vote for our head of state over here! As for Australia: police recently shooting peaceful protesters with rubber bullets, arresting people for posting "wrong think" or "protest details" on social media, dictator Dan Andrews giving himself the power to declare a pandemic whenever he sees fit, citizens being rounded up and thrown in to "quarantine camps", citizens being forced in to a medical treatment by way of coercion (i.e. no jab, no job), and most importantly, the lack of a bill of rights (which basically enables the government to "make it up as they go along"). In regards to personal freedoms, rights, and liberties, Australia is a disgrace - and this was the case long before the covid hysteria kicked in. In any event, most of the world is going crazy now, passing all kinds of authoritarian laws (like the UK's "online harms" bill). Most of Europe are now are mandating compulsory vaccination. Every nation state has pros and cons, but I stand by my original post. The United States of America is (by far) the best idea for a country this planet has ever seen.
Respect to Helen for admitting she has had little to lose. I work with families with kids with complex disabilities. Think about what they lose during every period of house arrest.
Great explanation. Coming from NZ , I always knew that Australian police were very corrupt but I assumed it was the criminal background. But I never knew about the police being authoritative. The legal explanation was great . I always think Australia is the same as NZ , but it is very different.
@@ajs41 totally cucked. Really surprised, because more than Aussies all the NZ people I’ve had the pleasure to kno have been hardy and independent minded.
I can give a very good example of Australian exceptionalism. I'm British and I've only spent 6 days of my life in Australia, in August 2016. But I had to fill out a census form at my hotel as a visitor to Australia because those 6 days coincided with one of the 5-yearly Australian census dates. I was very surprised. I can't think of any other country that makes tourists fill out a census form, even if they're only there for a few days. A fair number of British people don't even bother to fill in their own census forms, and enforcement in the UK is not particularly strong. The statisticians simply use formulas to estimate information about the people who didn't bother to fill in their census forms.
Here in Ireland someone staying in a hotel, guesthouse, hospital and ship have to be included on the properties census. Off the top of my head I dont know if that includes tourists though
I have trouble with any argument that portrays the state as caring for a vulnerable group (see NT Aborigenes) when alternative medicines that exist, are withheld outright.
The minutes in: What do you.think of vaccine passports? NO AMSWER When were you last in Australia? NO ANSWER. Helen, PAY attention, Peter, follow up!! Incorrectly titled so far??x
@@egverlander Yes, I think so too. And, evaded the question of fascist-style public control measures that could only be justified if the coof was totally lethal. But, - as her answers seemed to imply - if you are only concerned about being legally consistant then Communist China would be ok by you as a parallel system to that being applied in Australia.
The depressing conclusion I have from this interview is that if Australia is overrunn by a vastly superior regional authoritarian power they'll take to it like ducks to water.
@@montecarlo1651 I'm getting it from, amongst others, the interviewee herself. For example she says the lockdown sceptics erred in suggesting that there was a scientific argument against the lockdown. By 'science' she means the epidemiology - the 'cases' and illness etc. - i.e. the map that the public health professionals have mistaken for the territory. Sound public health policy requries that more than one metric be taken into account. But even on the narrow epidemiological view the threat has been repeatedly vastly exaggerated. There has been a controlled experiment: those countries that didn't follow the Imperial College models and recommendations are doing OK and didn't impose huge social costs. And that really ought to end the discussion. Australia has made a big mistake in its response to the virus and the country is, if I'm not mistaken, on the verge of basically admitting that this is the case. Ditto NZ. The aggressive 'Don't you know it's a deadly virus and that we can, therefore, take drastic action?' line in wearing thin as the policy is slowly, but surely, being tested to destruction.
I was initially hesitant to hear her talk. But in the end I found it a somewhat enjoyable interview and learned quite a bit as well. Thanks from Newcastle Australia.
In all the content I've consumed in the past 6 months, this has been the most interesting. Well done Peter for allowing Helen to speak without interruption. Such a rarity these days.
Personally I feel that ozzies have basked in the no nonsense cliche for too long, actions speak louder than words and IMO Australia is as full of prison wardens as much as prisoners.
Totally agree. I live in Western Australia, in local government. We regularly submit to having 'random' drug tests. People are inured to state intervention in their lives. A large mining industry means a lot of high paying jobs with employees subject to preposterous occupational health and safety precautions. Being probed and pushed around by corporations is part of life here. People are very supportive of being vaccinated, refused permission to leave the country/state and being punished for having aberrant views. To me, they appear very bovine and naive about their condition.
To the NCF people there: Helen waffled about for over 5 minutes, when the question about vac passports and mandates could have been answered FIRST then explained. She kinda came off as avoiding the question, next time gently wrangle your guests back towards the questions posed.
Some quite interesting insights into the Australian mindset, broadly speaking. I hope Helen doesn't mind me saying it, but she does come across as very Australian, by that I mean, dogmatic and quite outspoken - a sort of no-nonsense attitude. The 'tall poppy syndrome' metaphor and the 'jailer and convict' analogy are quite apt, especially in explaining some of the excessive authoritarian measures taking place in Australia in response to Covid 19. I hope things calm down over there, as I have some fond memories from my visits to Australia.
Here in the UK we tend to like eccentrics and slightly nutty people who think they're more important than everyone else as long as they do it in a humorous way and don't take themselves entirely seriously. Maybe eccentricity is less common in Australia because of the tall poppy syndrome.
Give it a little time. Notice how the law enforcement in every country are all starting to look like black clad Star Wars storm troopers? It's the uniform that creates the mindset and the behavioural scientists informing all our governments know this very well.
I believe there is a correlation between the intensity of a country's reaction to "Covid" and their degree of fear/anxiety about the future. China looms over New Zealand and Australia, They know if the US and Europe falter, China will dominate them. It creates an undercurrent of fear which I could feel when visiting from Canada years ago.
@king offa Yes I do agree about the financial/political realities in Canada as well. But I think the fear is more organic, a fear of the physical presence of soldiers and tanks. As for your controversial comment, I think being colonized by Christian Chinese would be a far different thing than being taken over by the CCP. Western missionaries to China in the 1800s said traditional Chinese culture was the closest in the world to what Jesus teaches.
Very good interview. As another dual national, born and raised in Britain but living in Australia for 40 years, I would agree with all the good lady said. After that great advert for long haul air travel (COP26) I've booked a trip home in the northern summer. Hope both countries will allow it - if we are not onto the Zeta strain by then!
You can see that the authorities in both Britain and Australia, want this 'pandemic' to never end. It's the only thing, literally, that, they think, allows them to justify, to the gullible alleged majority, their ever increasing authoritarian mandates. Without it, their powers would wane drastically. So it's fairly predictable that these fictional variants have become their favoured tool for extra compliance, that appear whenever the fear factor is waning, and needs ramping up.
@@Patrick3183 it's not accurate. Voting is compulsory, but we don't have separate runoffs , and there is no compulsion to fill in all the boxes ( unless you want the full power of your vote if your first preference doesn't get in ). She is also saying some other inaccurate things. Including obscuring the fact that in the lead up to 2020 we had the highest immigration rate ( by any measure ) ever , and among highest in the world. She also obscured the radical and startling changes to/ militarisation of police since 2017.
This was excellent. I had no idea! What has gone on in Australia made no sense to me. Now it does. I am blown away by compulsory voting. I am a big fan of Law and Liberty. .
This is a breath of fresh air. Media that is revealing how authoritarian Australia is. Thank you. A lot of media here in Australia will not even mention it. Besides Sky News. But even they support authoritarianism when it suits them too.
That was a very wonderful and necessary interview, Peter, incredibly helpful to the rest of us attempting to understand what's going on Down Under. Thank you. Thank you, for bringing some perspective on this so we've some explanation (and accuracy) for Australia's actions.
The ACLU has been noticeably absent in countering the CDC/Biden forced vaxx mandates and lock down in places like NYC. Peter has one of the most interesting and informative channels on the internet. Thanks!
Mrs. Dale makes a few points but she can not say “My mother is Irish Born my father is Scottish born and I was born in Australia but I am as deeply rooted in both countries (UK/AUS) as a person can be. That is not accurate at all. You can not just claim because you went to university in The UK or anywhere else that you are as rooted to that nation and that land as those who are born there and have roots in that land for generations.
I am English, I've lived in Australia for 25 of my 60 years. I will always be a bloody POM, and still miss the beautiful countryside, the history and pubs of southern England my spiritual home. I'll never be Australian, and Australia will never be 'normal' to me. As an aside ... Helen Dale is one of those 'citizens of the world' who will parasitise a culture if it can be turned to her profit. She has undergone a number of name changes over the past 30 years. In the 1990s she wrote a book called "The Hand That Rocks The Cradle". She claimed to be Helen Demidenko and that she was Ukrainian and the book was a memoir of her family's trials under Soviet rule. Then she became Helen D'Arville to evade the scandal of being 'outed' and fell into relative obscurity. Her analysis of the situation in Australia is pretty sound, I could add more layers to the analysis but she's got a lot of the main points. The police here carry guns and dress like German brownshirts - that's all you need to know really (Peter Hitchens has written at length about this).
@@andyjarman4958 Absolutely phenomenal and informative reply Andy. Thank you very much. I will be reading up on her "Ukraine bio" later. That is just astounding. Again, ty for the absolutely A+ reply.
What an interesting interview! I've learned a lot about Australia although I have been living here for the past 50 years coming from overseas. Thank you to both of you.
Obfuscation all the way. So bored with this conversation. We are in a war for our very survival! Trust your instincts, hold your metal and go forth. We don't need lawyers, scientists. doctors or politicians, telling us what's right. We know what's right. We are human, we are love.
Kudos to Mr Whittle for providing this excellent view of Australia, one rarely heard in the US (we get the Hollywood version). The more she spoke the more I started to see Australia as a massive Singapore. Nice and clean and orderly, but don't step out of line.
It's interesting that she talks about how conformist most Australians are. This characteristic is what drove Barry Humphries and Clive James to live in the UK. The unutterable boredom of it all ... particularly in the suburbs of Melbourne.
There is definitely an homogenous quality to Australian suburban people, they all dress the same, speak the same, and I am sorry to say largely value the same things. As A.D Hope remarked: 'Monotonous tribes from Cairns to Perth'.
Such an interesting interview. Helen Dale provides an elegant & insightful guide through the 'Looking Glass' at Australia, its governance, policing and political machinations. She describes with alacrity, the disperate character of each Australian state and its nuanced approach to civil liberties, both from a historical and contemporary perspective. Thank you, both.
Yep. He's brilliant. Thing is, most people here haven't got a clue what's going on outside the UK. Almost no one I speak to have the remotest of awareness. That's the msm for you.
Boom! 8:42 Classic example of this conflict is bio women's rights to safety and privacy, in direct conflict with bio men's positive right to self ID as a trans women. This whole interview was incredibly edifying. I enjoyed it Immensely.
Helen Dale misrepresents Australian political and legal history by citing incidents like the NSW Rum Rebellion which happened in a small colony with a tiny population and implying that the attitude that inspired it has carried through over 200 years in all states. Firstly only some colonies received convicts and more importantly innovations like manhood suffrage (Victoria was the first in the world in 1855) and responsible government granted to colonies starting in 1857, by which the colonies became *functionally* independent (one had a big dispute over pursuing a different foreign policy towards the US Civil War than the UK). Things like that mean that from about 1860 Australia had a far stronger culture of politicians (and functions they control like policing) being truly answerable to the actual ordinary people than almost anywhere else, especially the UK.
So true! If the politicians who imposed these ridiculous, illogical restrictions had, had to give up their salaries and benefits for the two years during which businesses and jobs have been lost, these lockdowns and absurdities would have come to a very quick end.
Great and accurate summary of Australia. She was the original cultural appropriation sinner, persecuted for The Hand That Signed the Paper, in which she wrote the story of a Ukranian. I'm glad she's back.
I love Helen but she always references phrases as everyday Australian that are either so old and obscure that you’d be very unlikely to ever find an Aussie in a pub who would ever recognise them. Or they are fundamentally not Australian like “stick it where the sun don’t shine”. Helen is fascinating lovely person but basically linguistically odd.
Sydneysider here, there are variations of authoritarianism across the country, none of it great but some far worse than others. Northern territory and Victoria spring to mind. Here in Sydney NSW we are two days away from opening up almost completely and letting Omicron rip. Or so it would seem. It remains to be seen if no jab no job dictates remain in force afterwards. My adult daughter lost her job in the finance department of a hospital and one of my sons remains unemployed because of these dictates.
@Ear ---Same as my son he lost a good mining job in western australia because they closed the borders and he couldn't get back , got a job in the snowies in NSW and they closed that when he was home on roster and again he could not get back. Been out of work now two years because of lockdowns etc. These politicians haven't done the workers any favours. Incidentally have a look at this and pass it on , the pollies decisions may have to with this RUMBLE -THE DAMMING TRUTH ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON IN AUSTRALIA.
As an Australian myself, I appreciated the discussion and clarification of issues I was only partly aware of. One of my uncles was a policeman in Leicester. In the late 70s he visited Australia and in particular Tasmania where some of his colleagues had immigrated to. They described the police force there as keystone cops. I hope it has improved - perhaps through the influence of imported British coppers! - since then.
In Australia we are now a risk adverse society. You need to understand that the Government supports many people through it's social justice systems. Whilst this is good in a way, it is bad in another. People now expect the Government to solve all their problems. Secondly, and very importantly we have been protected from crisis for decades. For example the 2007 financial crisis. The Government supported everyone. This again was a serious mistake, although at the time sounded good. So Australians are now soft, with minimal resistance. Hard times breed strong people. Here people have not suffered the hard times to make them focus on the important parts of life. We are now a weak society, and consequently easily manipulated.
Thankfully in Poland we have opposite. We know from history to not trust any gov and certainly not to rely on it. And all govs are doing everything against people. Many if not most people are really against police. People don't like them and don't trust them. We have a big number of hooligans and conservative society. We know exactly what totalitarian country looks like from our history. We had communism in here and seems like people in so called wester civilization now days are fascinated with.
@@nieczerwony If it's true about Poland, what's happening in Lithuania? Why are their restrictions so insanely draconian? Seems like most of the Eastern Bloc (incl Austria and Germany) have learned NOTHING from the 20th century.
@@Carroty_Peg I don't care about Lithuania or Baltic states. Austria never been commie country. In Eastern Germany lands people are much more against all the restrictions then let's say in Munich. Polish people are always very suspicious and against government.
Do you mean to say that there are places where some arrogant little tick can tell his schoolmates that because he is 'smarter' he should be able to boss them around? And let me just add that I know many Australians who get very jealous when they see someone succeed through hard work and it is a common experience for me to hear Australians that many of their compatriots are too stupid to be allowed to vote. Heck we have an entire Territory peopled with public servants who seem to believe the rest of us are too stupid to get a vote.
A person who thinks there is a such a thing as "the Bobby on the beat" in Britain, who is a lawyer by profession? There has been no such thing for several decades now, and I'm glad she's not representing me.
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I'm a POM who lives in Australia. I think Helen has made a fair analysis of the situation, but one thing she omitted was the ability of state governments to close borders and isolate their population has created a highly compartmentalised country.
Western Australians are effectively imprisoned in their state, unable to leave. This is prohibited by the UN Convention on Human rights, set up after the Nuremberg trials.
Nonetheless, Western Australians are generally in favour of this move because of the sense of safety this affords them.
Premiers of individual states have a lot to lose by letting Covid 19 across the boarder.
Australians would rather live in an open prison rather than confront the outside world and it's problems.
People in other Western countries tend to fail to appreciate the scale of a Australia.
The UK would fit 32 times into Australia, yet it has the population of London and the home counties (25million).
Between each capital are endless horizons of harsh almost featureless plains and low mountain ranges of a few thousand feet.
The cities are like mediævil city states from the point of view of policing. And the premier of the state very readily assumes the role of the Sherif of Nottingham.
What I have found amazing is that what the states did with borders and mandates is completely unconstitutional. Whilst the PM has made a few feeble criticisms of the states, he has made no attempt to legislate against their actions. Ultimately he is responsible for the crimes against humanity, and that's what I believe they are, of the states and territories.
The issue with a federalised system is that there's little to gain from being the outlier - ie not imprisoning people for this b-list virus. Perhaps the number of states in the USA is sufficient to allow for competing narratives. Plus, Australia doesn't seem to have a culture of liberty, but rather toeing the line.
@@gavinsmith8375 I'll admit, I don't like the knee jerk response I'm having now about Australia. The idea of the state apparatus ever getting one cent from my tourism is enough to keep me away. We need to hear more from the sane Australians.
Not a single word about taking responsibility for you own choices and life. Just government, government, government.
What a treat it is to listen to an intelligent person who is given the time to speak her mind without the hectoring and interruptions so prevalent in the MSM.
Welcome to New Culture Forum 🤗
She said notheing of importance at all. She was talking toffee...
There's a lot of overthinking going around; a lot of words, very little insight. Sometimes, it just is what it looks like. Deep dives into the whys and wherefores can wait. There are a bunch of authoritarian, collectivist bullies who are used to getting their own way and, in common with the rest of the West, people are waking up to it rather late in the day. Canada is hot on the heels of Australia, NZ in the same ball park. It's not about the uniquely Australian character. It's what happens when you fall asleep at the wheel after giving your guns up years ago.
@king offa I agree we need to find a way that works. You may not think guns are important; the state certainly does, though. Which is why, in the US, there is so much attention paid to it and bills working their way through Congress. Plus, there are 300 million of them. It complicates matters for a tyranny and it means they will have to take losses which, in turn, means that they have to sell the plan harder. And it's why many tyrannies have ensured they disarm their citizens first.
@king offa The UK has a different political system. The US system was designed with checks and balances in place, an armed militia being one of them. Remove one measure and the entire edifice in under threat. Hamilton at Dunblane did for handguns, yes. I don't believe there was ever anything like the Second Amendment in the UK. But, as a general point, subduing the unarmed is a more appealing prospect than attempting same against a citizenry with rifles. That cannot be done quietly.
yes exactly. I suspect she is overthinking what is going on. the soviet union was a globalist statist operation as the EU is and America also... all these system seek to spread (supposedly) "democracy" and freedom by force. covid in Australia is just an example of this.
@king offa I'm not so sure. middle america seems to pose a specific problem because it would have the power (in theory) to physically resist the state and to engage in armed rebellion. this restrains the possibilities open to the elites. in Europe there is no possible resistance of the population...big difference...
@@aristotlesmith3840 She is rambling in search of justifications. But the camps have no possible justification, because the virus will reach the aboriginals, sooner or later, with or without abusing the rest of the population.
Australia, Canada, N Zealand, and some european countries are putting a creepy show on.
It’s odd how we saw the Australians as people who weren’t concerned with 20 foot Crocs, 15 foot sharks, deadly Snakes and Spiders and now see them lose their shit over a virus that isn’t particularly dangerous to the vast majority of the population.
Yes. The reaction is totally out of proportion.
But so too in most countries. The media are more to blame than the politicians for the fear and panic
@@chrisstrange9828 They are all one and the same, the media are just propaganda for some very shady people
@Aussie Pom They didn't lose their shit, they know exactly what they are trying to do
Australia's is one of the most urbanised societies in the world, most people here have probably never seen a snake in their life lol.
I am totally confused by the reaction in Australia to covid . This is a country where they have spiders, snakes and crocodiles that can kill you and they live with them without any great reaction or fear. It is the last country I would have expected to go over the top regarding covid.
Kilgore then enjoy being in an isolation ward for x years.
@@KilgoreTrout11235 I suggest you have a little look at previous years uk Flu mortality.
@@KilgoreTrout11235 This ain't over yet.
Some of us are still sane down here Thomas.
Your confused because you're mistakenly thinking the reaction has been to covid. Covid is the excuse for the reaction.
"The problem with Australia is not that so many are descended from convicts, it's that so many are descended from prison officers" - Clive James
Epic fail
She mentioned it was Eustinov who said it but anyway...
@@kelvincasing5265 Fail Yes but not epic. mab158 got the statement out. It's an interesting idea.
I've heard from a few Aussies over the years that the Ab"original" community don't do well when drinking alcohol because they're not used to it. Give the Aborigines the right to their own destiny. I think Helen is catastrophising the threat to the tribes. It's for your own good. If it was a little tribe in the Amazon the msm would be on it like a rash.
wonbadood So if you were in charge, you'd be "brave" and take the risk that the death rate might be much, much higher? And if you were wrong, I guess you'd shrug your shoulders, chuckle and say "too bad fellas, we were a bit off there, better luck next time"
@@paulwary much like how the global economy and movement was completely shut down, medical treatments and diagnoses paused and delayed, millions forced into starvation and poverty, not to mention spikes in acute mental health issues and suicide - all because of the flawed Imperial College projection model? They have shrugged their shoulders about the lasting devastation their mistakes caused.
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
― C. S. Lewis
I like that quote and It applies to Australia very well. Far from being a nation of rugged individualists our governments are so risk averse that we are kept under cotton wool. Their Covid over--reaction is entirely predictable.
No to mandatory vax
No to vax passports
No to totalitarianism
Yes to liberty, Yes to freedom.
The madness stops now!!
Most people don't want freedom and liberty as this brings responsibility. People don't want responsibility. Look at all the demanding morons.
I would agree with you, but that would be some people not most. People by enlarge want to live inside a reasonably fair/structured society where elected public servants can be held accountable and can be removed by Democratic process..Its rapidly becoming obvious we are moving in the opposite direction from this. If the ultimate intention is to hold people down while they are injected against their will then at that point public servants will have become authoritarian masters...if they can get away with that they can get away with anything...a government awarding itself ever increasing powers wasn't on the Conservative manifesto..and the really worrying part is that the main opposition party are their cheerleaders..they can't wait to take a turn with this amount of power at governments disposal...at this stage democracy is on life support..I think its fair to say most of those sitting pretty in Westminster would like to see it dead, its no longer of use to them.
@@MrRadiorobot Not really in the west no. Otherwise social support wouldn't be so popular. People get whole bunch of social benefits and public stuff, but for price. Whole Scandinavia, Ireland, UK, Germany etc.
Majority of people are strong supporters of all these.
It's like with kids who are getting support from rich parents during their college.
Parents buy them flat, car, pay for tuition etc. And then the kids are being surprised that parents puts restrictions and conditions in place.
If someone is giving you money it's never free.
It's even worst in case of nanny states as gov doesn't have money and have to rob others.
So you may even have people who are really after freedom, but are forcefully being robbed (in form of taxes) to sponsor system which they are against.
@@nieczerwony what you describe is how most western Liberal societies work.. The majority aren't welfare dependant, but the bill for social support is the biggest burden to government, you can see how they would like to off load it, the majority of population pay into the system, it fails when you have tax avoidance..the Starbucks and amazon's of this world..but then you look at who owns them, black rock, vanguard etal.. They have fingers in all pies including governments..they could fix it if they wanted, instead we edge further down this unattractive road that your average person is going to detest.. The welfare dependant may well see no difference at all to their circumstances..on the other hand there is something most sinister about the govs partially revealed plan..if the intention is to simplify the system, end consumerism, get rid of the dead wood, perhaps the 'serve no purpose to society' will be repurposed? ..all options for speculation are firmly on the table..there are certainly hidden agendas in play..yes there always has been, but I don't buy the 'save humanity from c19' narrative when the real threat to the planet is apparently too many humans.. You would think a killer v*rus would be embraced by government to cure the problem...we will only know in hindsight what the plan is/was.. Until then all is conjecture. Thanks for the chat, a pleasure 😉
Well said!
This woman emphasises the need for scientific literacy in the general public, which has been deliberately removed from the 'educational' system.
Tax cattle who are easily governed by emotions and fear are much easier to rule.
Tax cattle Indeed. Jabs aren't free they are paid for by taxpayers.
Australian mandates have ensured a continuous transfer of taxpayers money to enrich big pharma, four boosters a year is the return on human cattle.
@@grannyannie6744 Joke's on us, the most regular booster actual cattle require is for Foot and Mouth, and that's every six months.
@@Double_Vision So as a bonus they can farm humans instead of farting cows.
In my country the curriculum has been changed so that ‘indigenous understandings’ (nothing to do with science) have been introduced into the science class at school. Taught in the science class alongside science.
I have been wondering what on earth has happened over there.
Especially after seeing a clip of Michael Gunner ranting and raving aggressively as though he's lost it...
The NT situation has far more to do with being overwhelmingly politically left than memories of introduced diseases.
There’s practically no private industry in the NT especially in remote communities.
Public servants have embraced the Woke idealogy totally independenf thought is an offensive to the majority of these people.
I agree. Helens great but the historical points are exaggerated.
Hmm, we have to protect aborigines from a contagious disease.... I know! Instead of letting them live isolated and dispersed over a wide desert area, let's put them all together in a camp on a big jolly heap, all served by staff who is in constant daily contact with the outside world. That's how you deal with contagious disease outbreaks! It's all for your safety folks!
Brilliant. What the hell are they putting in water down under?!
@@aceofswords1725 Yes, this concentration of population is isane. In fact these are Concentration camps in the original South African sense of the term.
What does NT mean, New Technology, Not Tested, or what?
What is the "Woke ideaology"?
Greetings from Germany. I returned from Sydney a few months ago, after a one and one half year sentence,
and I confess the same expectation of Aussies being friendly, rugged individualists, similar to Texans. Wide from the truth. Aside from the pathological fixation on coffee and body shaping something was not right in the state of Denmark. People did not look at each much less greet each other upon meeting on the sidewalks. (I lived in Kirribilli). There were signs everywhere to control your behaviour. The train's intercom was one long monolog of threats to conform to transportation rules. QR codes and temperature monitoring... When I mentioned to my 90 year neighbour that I thought it was a bit over the top that the police should arrest and handcuff (in front of her young children) a young pregnant women because she critiqued the Victoria police's lockdowns on Facebook I was met with blank incomprehension. Your guest's rationization of authoritarianism in the Northern Territories is a red herring. When she went on about how efficient the Aussie government ran things I couldn't help think of the German commandant in Lina Wertmueller's "Seven Beauties". Just looking after the aborigines are you? Snake oil! I won't buy it! We have every reason and the duty to condemn the Australian governments' totalitarian behaviour.
On the money.
The UK just throws around permanent residence and citizenship. In Malaysia you have to be married and remained in the country for 5 years before you can even apply. Even after completion of all paperwork they are in no hurry. 12 years and counting. They have no worries about throwing illegal immigrants out of the country and they aren't particularly gentle in how they treat them. They would make short work of people crossing the channel. They wouldn't make it the the shore line and they most assuredly wouldn't be "intercepting" them to give them a lift.
They've got it right .
@Helsby Yeah, having said that Austria doesn't give any extra favours for UK citizens to immigrate or just come and work...as I understand it. I wouldn't be opposed to essentially freedom of movement between UKUSCANAUSNZ but the UK, US and to some degree Canada has destroyed that with welcoming in Islamists with abandon.
@William---- British citizenship is nothing special anymore , does not invoke pride in the country . Everybody and his / her dog seems to be ''british''. Citizenship that is given out like plastic toys in a cornflakes packet is not respected. This is a product of voter loyalty to traitor parties. Real brits need to lift their game and sort this out.
@Aussie Pom Boris is a liberal masquerading as a conservative. We might be getting rid of him very shortly. Watch this space. In the Spectator the week in 60 minutes (on you tube) Douglas Murray says we have had 11 years of Not Labour. We haven't had a Conservative government since John Major.
Helen is riveting, I literally couldn't stop watching this. Thanks for having her on.
I now understand the bulk of what I have been witnessing in Australia is cultural!
Brilliant interview.
Everyone in the US, UK & Australia should see this.
Thank you so much!
I'm Australian and I disagree with what Helen says about Australians. There are an increasing number of people who are openly against democracy and against freedom of speech - much more than I have seen at any time in the past. There is a marked increase in authoritarianism.
Our universities are equally in disarray as they are in the U.S, and equally as corrupt. Australia is "no nonsense" no more. Our urban societies are disconnected from reality.
"Forced choosing" means you don't have a choice, and here in Australia the choices are diminishing by the day.
This isn't something new, but has been building up for many decades.
Thank you for your comment Kevin
Couldn't agree with you more. I left Australia in 2000 (I live in the US of A now). I never knew true freedom until I landed on US soil (yes, there are problems, but sometimes that's a price you have to pay for freedom). I rarely visit Australia now, and every time I return to this great republic and get off a plane, I feel like kissing the ground. Many of my family and friends are now in the process of relocating here.
@@MnemonicCarrier Yeah, the freedom to go bankrupt if you are seriously ill. The freedom to by shot by the Police or in a minor altercation with your neighbour. The freedom to live in a land of robber barons like Bezos, paying workers a pittance and paying for joy flights for himself into space. The freedom to work 50 weeks a year without break, to have 5 days sick leave, to be dismissed at a moments notice if your boss doesn't like you. The freedom to have to carry a child to full term even if it is the child of a rapist or so malformed it will die within hours of birth, if you live in a State like Texas or Mississippi where they are just waiting for the politically stacked Supreme Court to overturn Roe v Wade. The freedom to back a turkey like Trump that infected people with Covid, and oversaw the death of almost a million of his compatriots whilst denying the disease and selling quack remedies like "exposing your lungs to the sun" or "drinking bleach". The freedom to be the working poor and despite horrendous hours, live in atrocious conditions and never be able to get a head. The freedom to.....you get the point.
@@montecarlo1651 Yeah, much of what you've mentioned it true, but a lot of it is also hyperbole (or exaggerations of extremes). Also, most of what you've written could be equally applied to any country. Take the UK for example - their healthcare system has basically shut down completely (for the most part), and it has transformed itself in to nothing more than a covid treatment center (or vaccination center). And for better or worse, at least we can vote for our head of state over here! As for Australia: police recently shooting peaceful protesters with rubber bullets, arresting people for posting "wrong think" or "protest details" on social media, dictator Dan Andrews giving himself the power to declare a pandemic whenever he sees fit, citizens being rounded up and thrown in to "quarantine camps", citizens being forced in to a medical treatment by way of coercion (i.e. no jab, no job), and most importantly, the lack of a bill of rights (which basically enables the government to "make it up as they go along"). In regards to personal freedoms, rights, and liberties, Australia is a disgrace - and this was the case long before the covid hysteria kicked in.
In any event, most of the world is going crazy now, passing all kinds of authoritarian laws (like the UK's "online harms" bill). Most of Europe are now are mandating compulsory vaccination.
Every nation state has pros and cons, but I stand by my original post. The United States of America is (by far) the best idea for a country this planet has ever seen.
It's become an authoritarian nanny state, in some very stark ways.
Interesting interview. The Forum ought to get Hele Dale to do a dialogue with Joshua Humphreys for an Australia special.
Good idea
Respect to Helen for admitting she has had little to lose. I work with families with kids with complex disabilities. Think about what they lose during every period of house arrest.
Great explanation. Coming from NZ , I always knew that Australian police were very corrupt but I assumed it was the criminal background. But I never knew about the police being authoritative. The legal explanation was great . I always think Australia is the same as NZ , but it is very different.
The situation in New Zealand doesn't look good to me either. The government seems to think it knows what is best for ordinary people.
@@ajs41 totally cucked. Really surprised, because more than Aussies all the NZ people I’ve had the pleasure to kno have been hardy and independent minded.
NZ is basically run by the people who did well in school. So they set rules. Most kiwis follow because of similar tally poppy syndrome
What a highly intelligent interesting woman Helen Dale is.
Helen you are doing our country a great service. Thanks for speaking out. 👍👍👍
Love Helen Dale
I absolutely love listening to Helen Dale.
I have lived in Australia for 30 Years, and this was extremely enlightening. All round, i'm so very glad i heard/saw this. I'll pass it on.
I can give a very good example of Australian exceptionalism. I'm British and I've only spent 6 days of my life in Australia, in August 2016. But I had to fill out a census form at my hotel as a visitor to Australia because those 6 days coincided with one of the 5-yearly Australian census dates. I was very surprised. I can't think of any other country that makes tourists fill out a census form, even if they're only there for a few days. A fair number of British people don't even bother to fill in their own census forms, and enforcement in the UK is not particularly strong. The statisticians simply use formulas to estimate information about the people who didn't bother to fill in their census forms.
Here in Ireland someone staying in a hotel, guesthouse, hospital and ship have to be included on the properties census. Off the top of my head I dont know if that includes tourists though
Always love listening to Helen
In UK we see tv shows like outback truckers and aussie gold hunters etc . I think we are ill informed about the true Australian experience.
Very; the place is a sh**hole.
It's good to hear from Helen, a thoughtful and intelligent commentator
I have trouble with any argument that portrays the state as caring for a vulnerable group (see NT Aborigenes) when alternative medicines that exist, are withheld outright.
Fascinating explanation of Australian cultural history. I have learnt so much. Thank you Helen.
The minutes in:
What do you.think of vaccine passports? NO AMSWER
When were you last in Australia? NO ANSWER. Helen, PAY attention, Peter, follow up!! Incorrectly titled so far??x
Most of our information about other countries comes from people who are not there.
Helen Dale didn't answer the question when Peter Whittle asked her 'where do you stand on covid passports' 5 minutes into the interveiw. Hmmmmm🤔
Yes, I waited and waited....
A lawyer's answer. . . .
Hedging her bet so she can travel back to Australia.
@@egverlander Yes, I think so too. And, evaded the question of fascist-style public control measures that could only be justified if the coof was totally lethal. But, - as her answers seemed to imply - if you are only concerned about being legally consistant then Communist China would be ok by you as a parallel system to that being applied in Australia.
Love Helen, always great to see and hear her on an interview.
Fascinating insight into the indigenous Australian population on a previous discussion.
The depressing conclusion I have from this interview is that if Australia is overrunn by a vastly superior regional authoritarian power they'll take to it like ducks to water.
Try getting your education from less biased sources and you might develop a more sound understanding.
@@montecarlo1651 I'm getting it from, amongst others, the interviewee herself. For example she says the lockdown sceptics erred in suggesting that there was a scientific argument against the lockdown. By 'science' she means the epidemiology - the 'cases' and illness etc. - i.e. the map that the public health professionals have mistaken for the territory.
Sound public health policy requries that more than one metric be taken into account. But even on the narrow epidemiological view the threat has been repeatedly vastly exaggerated. There has been a controlled experiment: those countries that didn't follow the Imperial College models and recommendations are doing OK and didn't impose huge social costs.
And that really ought to end the discussion.
Australia has made a big mistake in its response to the virus and the country is, if I'm not mistaken, on the verge of basically admitting that this is the case. Ditto NZ.
The aggressive 'Don't you know it's a deadly virus and that we can, therefore, take drastic action?' line in wearing thin as the policy is slowly, but surely, being tested to destruction.
I was initially hesitant to hear her talk. But in the end I found it a somewhat enjoyable interview and learned quite a bit as well. Thanks from Newcastle Australia.
In all the content I've consumed in the past 6 months, this has been the most interesting. Well done Peter for allowing Helen to speak without interruption. Such a rarity these days.
Personally I feel that ozzies have basked in the no nonsense cliche for too long, actions speak louder than words and IMO Australia is as full of prison wardens as much as prisoners.
Totally agree. I live in Western Australia, in local government.
We regularly submit to having 'random' drug tests. People are inured to state intervention in their lives.
A large mining industry means a lot of high paying jobs with employees subject to preposterous occupational health and safety precautions.
Being probed and pushed around by corporations is part of life here.
People are very supportive of being vaccinated, refused permission to leave the country/state and being punished for having aberrant views.
To me, they appear very bovine and naive about their condition.
Helen is so informed and interesting! Thoroughly enjoyed that.
To the NCF people there: Helen waffled about for over 5 minutes, when the question about vac passports and mandates could have been answered FIRST then explained. She kinda came off as avoiding the question, next time gently wrangle your guests back towards the questions posed.
Yes, it's not really an important question, is it???
(joking)
Some quite interesting insights into the Australian mindset, broadly speaking. I hope Helen doesn't mind me saying it, but she does come across as very Australian, by that I mean, dogmatic and quite outspoken - a sort of no-nonsense attitude. The 'tall poppy syndrome' metaphor and the 'jailer and convict' analogy are quite apt, especially in explaining some of the excessive authoritarian measures taking place in Australia in response to Covid 19. I hope things calm down over there, as I have some fond memories from my visits to Australia.
Here in the UK we tend to like eccentrics and slightly nutty people who think they're more important than everyone else as long as they do it in a humorous way and don't take themselves entirely seriously. Maybe eccentricity is less common in Australia because of the tall poppy syndrome.
She doesn't speak for ALL Australians. She has an opinion, but that doesn't make it right or truthful.
@@alisonjohnston1665 I hardly think she'd claim to, Alison. But she's been consistent for the past 16 months.
Give it a little time. Notice how the law enforcement in every country are all starting to look like black clad Star Wars storm troopers? It's the uniform that creates the mindset and the behavioural scientists informing all our governments know this very well.
I believe there is a correlation between the intensity of a country's reaction to "Covid" and their degree of fear/anxiety about the future. China looms over New Zealand and Australia, They know if the US and Europe falter, China will dominate them. It creates an undercurrent of fear which I could feel when visiting from Canada years ago.
@king offa Yes I do agree about the financial/political realities in Canada as well. But I think the fear is more organic, a fear of the physical presence of soldiers and tanks.
As for your controversial comment, I think being colonized by Christian Chinese would be a far different thing than being taken over by the CCP. Western missionaries to China in the 1800s said traditional Chinese culture was the closest in the world to what Jesus teaches.
@@ajs41 hello sociopath!
Love this lady. A great Australian
Very good interview. As another dual national, born and raised in Britain but living in Australia for 40 years, I would agree with all the good lady said. After that great advert for long haul air travel (COP26) I've booked a trip home in the northern summer. Hope both countries will allow it - if we are not onto the Zeta strain by then!
Well the last one in the Greek alphabet would be Omega 🙄 but I know what you mean
You can see that the authorities in both Britain and Australia, want this 'pandemic' to never end. It's the only thing, literally, that, they think, allows them to justify, to the gullible alleged majority, their ever increasing authoritarian mandates. Without it, their powers would wane drastically. So it's fairly predictable that these fictional variants have become their favoured tool for extra compliance, that appear whenever the fear factor is waning, and needs ramping up.
Technocracy relies on institutionalising deference to self proclaimed " experts " which is why it represents a radical shift in Australian culture.
Thanks!
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I am shocked by the violence shown by the Aussie police. Body slamming peaceful people on the floor. Shameful.
Brilliant talk
A really humble person from the Upper middle class! Good lord, if she hadn’t told us, we’d never have known!
Really enjoyed this enlightened discussion. Thank you for continuing to keep us sane 👍
Wow - I really enjoyed listening to Helen! I LEARNED A LOT.
This was an incredibly eye opening interview. I had almost zero knowledge about how that country runs.
Same here. The forced voting during a runoff is astonishing.
I was listening the same way ... this was interesting.
@@Patrick3183 it's not accurate. Voting is compulsory, but we don't have separate runoffs , and there is no compulsion to fill in all the boxes ( unless you want the full power of your vote if your first preference doesn't get in ). She is also saying some other inaccurate things. Including obscuring the fact that in the lead up to 2020 we had the highest immigration rate ( by any measure ) ever , and among highest in the world. She also obscured the radical and startling changes to/ militarisation of police since 2017.
You still do.
A terrific, and informative conversation, thank you both.
Thanks to Helen. She absolutely nailed us! 🇦🇺 I have never heard such a first class analysis of Australian culture as this. 👏👏👏
This was excellent. I had no idea! What has gone on in Australia made no sense to me. Now it does. I am blown away by compulsory voting.
I am a big fan of Law and Liberty. .
Absolutely fascinating - thank you!
This is a breath of fresh air. Media that is revealing how authoritarian Australia is. Thank you. A lot of media here in Australia will not even mention it. Besides Sky News. But even they support authoritarianism when it suits them too.
That was a very wonderful and necessary interview, Peter, incredibly helpful to the rest of us attempting to understand what's going on Down Under. Thank you. Thank you, for bringing some perspective on this so we've some explanation (and accuracy) for Australia's actions.
The ACLU has been noticeably absent in countering the CDC/Biden forced vaxx mandates and lock down in places like NYC. Peter has one of the most interesting and informative channels on the internet. Thanks!
Totally enlightening and educational. Thank you for this content. It is so helpful.
Australia needs it's own version of AfD.
They have. They’re equally redundant
@@lindsaywebb1904 Who are you referring to? We have no genuine national populists that come close to AfD. Please don't tell me you mean One Nation.
Mrs. Dale makes a few points but she can not say “My mother is Irish Born my father is Scottish born and I was born in Australia but I am as deeply rooted in both countries (UK/AUS) as a person can be. That is not accurate at all. You can not just claim because you went to university in The UK or anywhere else that you are as rooted to that nation and that land as those who are born there and have roots in that land for generations.
I am English, I've lived in Australia for 25 of my 60 years. I will always be a bloody POM, and still miss the beautiful countryside, the history and pubs of southern England my spiritual home.
I'll never be Australian, and Australia will never be 'normal' to me.
As an aside ...
Helen Dale is one of those 'citizens of the world' who will parasitise a culture if it can be turned to her profit.
She has undergone a number of name changes over the past 30 years.
In the 1990s she wrote a book called "The Hand That Rocks The Cradle". She claimed to be Helen Demidenko and that she was Ukrainian and the book was a memoir of her family's trials under Soviet rule.
Then she became Helen D'Arville to evade the scandal of being 'outed' and fell into relative obscurity.
Her analysis of the situation in Australia is pretty sound, I could add more layers to the analysis but she's got a lot of the main points.
The police here carry guns and dress like German brownshirts - that's all you need to know really (Peter Hitchens has written at length about this).
@@andyjarman4958 Absolutely phenomenal and informative reply Andy. Thank you very much. I will be reading up on her "Ukraine bio" later. That is just astounding. Again, ty for the absolutely A+ reply.
@peter- If Helens mother was irish and her father was scottish that means she is a welshwoman. Doesn't it????
What an interesting interview! I've learned a lot about Australia although I have been living here for the past 50 years coming from overseas. Thank you to both of you.
Obfuscation all the way. So bored with this conversation. We are in a war for our very survival! Trust your instincts, hold your metal and go forth. We don't need lawyers, scientists. doctors or politicians, telling us what's right. We know what's right. We are human, we are love.
This was very interesting,thank you!
Fascinating. I learned a lot from that interview.
Take all this with a pinch of salt folks…
Question everything, always.
@@wordimobi5765 if only more could follow that
All part of the plan to drastically limit individual freedoms of entire populations
Always QUESTION the *Packed Faced Left!*
Kudos to Mr Whittle for providing this excellent view of Australia, one rarely heard in the US (we get the Hollywood version). The more she spoke the more I started to see Australia as a massive Singapore. Nice and clean and orderly, but don't step out of line.
My thought exactly
That’s a good analogy.
Fascinating interview!!
She just made me think about some things completely differently, very interesting. Never heard of her before but I'm gonna go check out her books
Excellent! So very interesting. Thank you.
It's interesting that she talks about how conformist most Australians are. This characteristic is what drove Barry Humphries and Clive James to live in the UK. The unutterable boredom of it all ... particularly in the suburbs of Melbourne.
There is definitely an homogenous quality to Australian suburban people, they all dress the same, speak the same, and I am sorry to say largely value the same things. As A.D Hope remarked: 'Monotonous tribes from Cairns to Perth'.
Such an interesting interview. Helen Dale provides an elegant & insightful guide through the 'Looking Glass' at Australia, its governance, policing and political machinations. She describes with alacrity, the disperate character of each Australian state and its nuanced approach to civil liberties, both from a historical and contemporary perspective. Thank you, both.
Helen is great 👍
*_The Aussie Cossack has a great take on this insanity ..._*
Yep. He's brilliant. Thing is, most people here haven't got a clue what's going on outside the UK. Almost no one I speak to have the remotest of awareness. That's the msm for you.
Many people, including myself are well aware.
I always thought the Aussies were our rowdy cousins. I can't believe the Australians put up with this.
Boom! 8:42 Classic example of this conflict is bio women's rights to safety and privacy, in direct conflict with bio men's positive right to self ID as a trans women. This whole interview was incredibly edifying. I enjoyed it Immensely.
Helen Dale misrepresents Australian political and legal history by citing incidents like the NSW Rum Rebellion which happened in a small colony with a tiny population and implying that the attitude that inspired it has carried through over 200 years in all states. Firstly only some colonies received convicts and more importantly innovations like manhood suffrage (Victoria was the first in the world in 1855) and responsible government granted to colonies starting in 1857, by which the colonies became *functionally* independent (one had a big dispute over pursuing a different foreign policy towards the US Civil War than the UK). Things like that mean that from about 1860 Australia had a far stronger culture of politicians (and functions they control like policing) being truly answerable to the actual ordinary people than almost anywhere else, especially the UK.
So true! If the politicians who imposed these ridiculous, illogical restrictions had, had to give up their salaries and benefits for the two years during which businesses and jobs have been lost, these lockdowns and absurdities would have come to a very quick end.
Fascinating
Incredibly smart lady
Great chat.
Why you would ask Helen to such an interview and then treat her as an authority on these matters is insane.
Very interesting to learn about the political culture and history in Australia, picked up some things I didn’t know before.
So an algorithm decides districts. He who controls the algorithm controls the election. UA-cam, Twitter, and Facebook have shown us that future.
Yes, only an idiot doesn't realize that an algorithm is parameterized by its human designers.
So interesting...Ive seen her on Talkradio, opened my eyes to there system. never would I have thought it, feel so sorry for the people, shocking.
Clever lass 🙏🏻
Great and accurate summary of Australia. She was the original cultural appropriation sinner, persecuted for The Hand That Signed the Paper, in which she wrote the story of a Ukranian. I'm glad she's back.
Fascinating.
I love Helen but she always references phrases as everyday Australian that are either so old and obscure that you’d be very unlikely to ever find an Aussie in a pub who would ever recognise them. Or they are fundamentally not Australian like “stick it where the sun don’t shine”. Helen is fascinating lovely person but basically linguistically odd.
she is out of touch
The 'odd' linguistics you perceive is probably an exhibition of 'controlled opposition' - if you see what I mean?
Sydneysider here, there are variations of authoritarianism across the country, none of it great but some far worse than others. Northern territory and Victoria spring to mind.
Here in Sydney NSW we are two days away from opening up almost completely and letting Omicron rip. Or so it would seem.
It remains to be seen if no jab no job dictates remain in force afterwards. My adult daughter lost her job in the finance department of a hospital and one of my sons remains unemployed because of these dictates.
@Ear ---Same as my son he lost a good mining job in western australia because they closed the borders and he couldn't get back , got a job in the snowies in NSW and they closed that when he was home on roster and again he could not get back. Been out of work now two years because of lockdowns etc. These politicians haven't done the workers any favours. Incidentally have a look at this and pass it on , the pollies decisions may have to with this RUMBLE -THE DAMMING TRUTH ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON IN AUSTRALIA.
As an Australian myself, I appreciated the discussion and clarification of issues I was only partly aware of. One of my uncles was a policeman in Leicester. In the late 70s he visited Australia and in particular Tasmania where some of his colleagues had immigrated to. They described the police force there as keystone cops. I hope it has improved - perhaps through the influence of imported British coppers! - since then.
With my cursory understanding of your TV history, I would take it that your show Division 4 was pretty much fantasy?
Brilliant
In Australia we are now a risk adverse society.
You need to understand that the Government supports many people through it's social justice systems.
Whilst this is good in a way, it is bad in another. People now expect the Government to solve all their problems.
Secondly, and very importantly we have been protected from crisis for decades. For example the 2007 financial crisis. The Government supported everyone. This again was a serious mistake, although at the time sounded good.
So Australians are now soft, with minimal resistance.
Hard times breed strong people. Here people have not suffered the hard times to make them focus on the important parts of life.
We are now a weak society, and consequently easily manipulated.
Thankfully in Poland we have opposite. We know from history to not trust any gov and certainly not to rely on it. And all govs are doing everything against people.
Many if not most people are really against police. People don't like them and don't trust them. We have a big number of hooligans and conservative society. We know exactly what totalitarian country looks like from our history. We had communism in here and seems like people in so called wester civilization now days are fascinated with.
@@nieczerwony If it's true about Poland, what's happening in Lithuania? Why are their restrictions so insanely draconian? Seems like most of the Eastern Bloc (incl Austria and Germany) have learned NOTHING from the 20th century.
@@Carroty_Peg I don't care about Lithuania or Baltic states. Austria never been commie country. In Eastern Germany lands people are much more against all the restrictions then let's say in Munich.
Polish people are always very suspicious and against government.
@@Carroty_Peg cuz the eastern bloc doesn’t want Arab refugees
Long format intelligent discussion is always absent from mainstream media.I love new media.
Do you mean to say that there are places where some arrogant little tick can tell his schoolmates that because he is 'smarter' he should be able to boss them around? And let me just add that I know many Australians who get very jealous when they see someone succeed through hard work and it is a common experience for me to hear Australians that many of their compatriots are too stupid to be allowed to vote. Heck we have an entire Territory peopled with public servants who seem to believe the rest of us are too stupid to get a vote.
Very informative & interesting interview 👍
A person who thinks there is a such a thing as "the Bobby on the beat" in Britain, who is a lawyer by profession? There has been no such thing for several decades now, and I'm glad she's not representing me.
Always wondered if Helen Dale - Domemenko had an intelligence family background. She seems to function like controlled opposition.
Now you mention it, I think that's what she's about!