Roger Walsh - Does Consciousness Have Purpose?
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2023
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How has inner experience radically emerged from cosmic dust? How has our vibrant private awareness developed in what seems to be a wholly physical universe? Is consciousness only an accident of biology? Or does consciousness have deeper meaning? We best be careful not to come to final conclusions based on early science.
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Roger N. Walsh is an Australian professor of Psychiatry, Philosophy, and Anthropology at the University of California, Irvine, in the Department of Psychiatry and Human Behavior, within UCI’s College of Medicine.
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Not passion, compassion, passion can be good and bad but compassion is care.........Falun Dafa
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Raising consciousness is all about eliminating black karma by suffering.....................Falun Dafa
Consciousness is not solely a human possession. The next time you try to swat a fly, you see consciousness in another being when it tries to escape your attack. Consciousness is as simple as hunger, yet it is the power that keeps the Universe from collapse. It is "Dark Matter." Hubris makes human consciousness something special.
That doesn’t work though. We can program drones to sense their environment and evade objects and we don’t think they are conscious. So behaviour like that can’t be sufficient evidence.
Of course, drones are made in man's image, so they are just an extension of humanity, not a separate entity.@@simonhibbs887
Consciousness is when your soul is awake. Raising consciousness is all about eliminating black karma by suffering.....................Falun Dafa
Consciousness is the felt presence of immediate experience. Not the alertness of it but the being, knowing you are a conscious agent to to speak. Not a person that is being carried away by circumstances but aware of what he or she is forming.
@@julianmendoza5044 The part of you that is reading this right now is your soul, you, consciousness, awake. The sme part that thinks, your brain only takes orders and moves the body, never thinks.......................Falun Dafa
the enigma that keeps us going...
Excellent interview. Love CTT.
I just found out a few moments ago that to be happy and let the whole humanity be same is the purpose of consciousness.
All consciousness is you, the soul, when you are awake.
Why a purpose, the present also means gift...................Falun Dafa
We are here to seek the Divine and to return home to Heaven.....................Falun Dafa
Not exactly. Raising consciousness is all about eliminating black karma by suffering.....................Falun Dafa
@@jeffforsythe9514 it's your way but my experience is that it's more effective with love and positivity.
As a man who grew up in the religions of men... well... Protestant denominations, and then to go on to study the religions of the world, I find the subject of consciousness, and awareness to be extremely fascinating! Thank you Mr Kuhn, for your work! I would like to just sit and talk with YOU some day! I would like to hear YOUR own assessment of the amalgamation of information you've been given, in all your interviews! We hear just a little of what you think, in your questions... but I perceive that you have a LOT more to say!
Falun Dafa explains all the mysteries of creation.
@@jeffforsythe9514 LOL Haha I'm sure it does!
Raising consciousness is all about eliminating black karma by suffering.....................Falun Dafa
The part of you that is reading this right now is your soul, you, consciousness, awake. The same part that thinks, your brain only takes orders and moves the body, never thinks.......................Falun Dafa
If you want to explain consciousness, you ought to explain what makes an agent pick a rather than b, what individuate a single agent as a protagonist of its mental life, what's behind properties of mental qualities, how does an agent decide to go to a walk etc.
Most of philosophers try to pick out the agent, while what constitutes agent is deeper and overlooked.
Thank You
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Please read the Quran, you get answers to all question, you ever thought of.
The only way that wisdom is obtained is through suffering.................Falun Dafa
@@jeffforsythe9514 The Creator of the infinite universe did not subject mercy, forgiveness and salvation upon human blood and manslaughter in the killing blameless prophet of God i.e. Jesus(pbuh).
Raising consciousness is all about eliminating black karma by suffering.....................Falun Dafa
@@rizwanrafeek3811 Please read the Lord of the Rings, you get answers to even more questions, you ever thought of.
Yet another . . . Brilliant segment
The purpose for consciousness is for comfort and joy which is your garden and the purpose for you is to take care it through your awareness the five senses which makes up your true and whole identity.
A little too romantic. The part of you that is reading this right now is your soul, you, consciousness, awake. The same part that thinks, your brain only takes orders and moves the body, never thinks.......................Falun Dafa
This is a mute conversation- we have all known what life was about since the second grade- remember? "You put your left foot in, you take your left foot out, you put your left foot in, and you shake it all about" the Hokey Pokey- that's what it's all about.
If it were possible to simulate the situation that we turned off all neurotransmitters in the brain.
With only electrical activity remaining between neurons.
What would brain functionality be like then?
Will consciousness remain the same in principle?
What changes have occurred?
This could give a lot of food for thought.
That Newton quote - he’s been working on that.
We, as humans, find ourselves positioned in a balanced commonly fathomable interpretation of “time.” This allows us, due to our mortality, to partition or endow the passage of time with lengths in general proportion to that lifespan by using thought, thus allowing many pretenses that allow a painful and short existence palatable. Thought allows us to endow the universe with meaning and move into an abstraction wherein we may even pretend that the reverse is true were we to so choose. Belief allows us, through this abstraction of thought, to endow the universe with truths of our choosing regardless of veracity. However the discipline of science requires that, to the best of our collective endeavors, proof must be produced to back up any thesis and that proof must be presented for peer review. I think therefore I have the ability to endow meaning where I choose. In a purely evidentiary sense there is, so far at least, absolutely no evidence of the universe operating with intent and thus generating meaning. There is a great deal of evidence that we do both.
As an aside it seems to me that, fascinatingly, this ability to operate in the abstract is bizarre proof that we function outside the laws of physics - or even the universe itself and are in possession of the rarest substance in that universe. Take, for example, “love.” It cannot be seen, measured, weighed or quantified in any way yet we all know that it exists. Compared to the unfathomable mass of the universe neurons are surely an uncommonly rare substance, now take the massless abstractions generated by those neurons and we… humble, tiny, shivering us… are in possession of the most precious stuff in existence. We truly are, as is said in Hindu philosophy, beggars whose bedroll is lined with diamonds yet are unaware of it.
What’s it all mean…?
*Purposeless things do not exist,* ... so consciousness definitely has a purpose. The purpose of lungs is to infuse blood with oxygen; the purpose of the heart is to pump the blood, and the purpose of blood is to carry oxygen to the brain, and the purpose of the brain is to orchestrate this entire process. Now, all of this can take place without a self-aware consciousness being present, ... _so why is it present?_
Since the brain can handle everything necessary for the survival of the organism, then a self-aware consciousness must be handling _some other duty._ I propose this duty is to organize everything that exists into categories (spectrums) and rank from highest to lowest based on *"value judgments."*
Not only can my self-aware consciousness categorize all of my own body's organs and rank them in order of importance (value), it can also categorize "myself" as an individual within my own species and assess my overall value within this spectrum.
At the highest existential level, consciousness can even render a value judgement for "Existence," itself! ... In other words, my self-aware consciousness can even judge the value of that which facilitated my own existence!
The purpose of consciousness is exactly the same as the purpose of every other attribute of living things:
SURVIVAL
but consciousness can exist beyond survival, i.e death, so your argument is flawed.
No, consciousness is our soul awake. Raising consciousness is all about eliminating black karma by suffering.....................Falun Dafa
@@Dion_Mustard have you been there? can you prove it?
@@synystera I have had numerous out of body experiences and they were literally out of this world.
Roger Walsh, a man willing to know his more about the patience of his patience of patience.
I empathize strongly w Dr Kuhn; the frustration of wanting to comprehend the Incomprehensible and the fascination of trying anyway.
Maybe the meaning of life is to try.
Spiritual contemplative has been the indeginous way of sciencing since forever. Thank you Roger. Robert, your a treasure to every human being who has ever had a fondness and insatiable curiosity for science and creation, thank you.
Raising consciousness is all about eliminating black karma by suffering.....................Falun Dafa
The word conscience, the prefix con (with) and the word science. The part of you that is reading this right now is your soul, you, consciousness, awake. The same part that thinks, your brain only takes orders and moves the body, never thinks.......................Falun Dafa
@@jeffforsythe9514 mm "truthfulness, compassion and forbearance." I agree.
@@jeffforsythe9514 ok I understand. Consciousness is all things. Dreams is not seperate. It is soul.
@@jeffforsythe9514 you already choose your living philosophy. I very much like the rythym. Thank You.
I understand that being a scientist also means being open to new adventures in new realms, and exploring what is unknown to us. Perhaps, besides intelligence and rationality, other senses of consciousness are just waiting to be activated. Perhaps this brave and invigorating interview holds the key to a forgotten door inside our minds. Perhaps this interview can guide us closer to the purpose of our consciences because, as creatures, our ultimate purpose cannot be solely within ourselves; it has to be in serving the creator's purpose. Perhaps our doubts about our purposes will be the last proof of such a condition. Maybe we just need to trust ourselves a little more, making our minds calmer to see what lies on the horizon. Science will never be enough because reality will always surpass science; otherwise, there would be no need for science. Indeed, science is a wonderful excuse to seek the creator while refining many senses and we await a deeper evolution within ourselves. I would like to express my gratitude to you and Mr. Walsh for this opportunity.
Raising consciousness is all about eliminating black karma by suffering.....................Falun Dafa
The intellect is distinctly human and serves us well in our adaptive/survival needs... not a bad thing. Intellect and conceptual thought are subject to bio psycho socio conditioning and thus constricting. Knowing this, I venture into an intuitive unknowing that surpasses my personal limitations.
Wow, we are all here to seek the Divine. Consciousness is your soul when you are awake.
@LifesInsight Who gave you that crazy idea, consciousness is self, your Divine soul.
We humans like to create mythical explanations for things we simply don’t understand …we’re just evolved biological organisms with a certain degree of self understanding ✨
@@bparcej6233 No, we are Divine souls that have lost our way.
@LifesInsight You got it, it is Divine but every one has a different degree of black karma on their soul.............................Falun Dafa
I was, I am, and I am yet to be. I am the beginning and the end.
The purpose of consciousness is to uncover the ocean of truth, and swim in it.
The being conscious process co-evolved with civilization.
Hard to imagine civilization run by unconscious people.
@@REDPUMPERNICKEL I'd go a bit further back: hunting demands prediction.
It would interesting to hear how children answer this question. Sometimes their truth is profound.😅
The purpose for understanding consciousness.
The tools for consciousness are the five senses which can be used for relieving bodily stress example you can relieve any pressure on the nervous system due to stress by knowing the body is always sharing information from the left to right and if this goes out of balance it can affect the vision and hearing plus sensitivity and also in certain areas may cause the nervous system to loose control and that can cause swelling anywhere in the nervous system which can go undetected anywhere in the body until an infection show up, my point is you just only have to focus or use beeping pulsating sound waves on the opposite left or right side of the body away from the left or right side from the swelling nerves to balance the left and right to reduce stress and relieve some of the tension from that area which may not show swelling tissue because everything is happening inside the nerves system which can be very confusing to most doctors and may lead into a amputation of limbs because of a misunderstanding of consciousness and what controls it.
This is how I deal with problems concerning consciousness by understanding what holds it together.
Raising consciousness is all about eliminating black karma by suffering.....................Falun Dafa
1:05 ... what's for why? ... 2:05 ... now the question what is it for though we're left as individuals with a pressing question what is in our lives since we've been given this extraordinary gift of being conscious beings 2:16 ... maybe one of consciousness task is to understand itself ... now that's one extreme answer that still leaves us as individuals with a very interesting question that is what do we do with this consciousness and there of course we're getting into a question of what's the purpose of life, what is most valuable, we're back to one of the great questions of human existence 3:28 but do we see the meditative traditions offering a means to an end or an end in themselves, 👍RW: 6:35 ... as a scientis how do you look upon the purpose of human consciousness that the spiritual tradition would espouse not the process which I understand has its values but the ultimate purpose that is given to us supposedly. 6:53 RW
I'm curious if given your infatuation with consciousness, which I also share, have you tried a meditative practice? In one episode you said that you want to maintain your sense of self after you die so I'm curious if your leary of medation because perhaps you will realized that you are not your sense of self.
I think our consciousness has the purpose of receiving information and life force - truth and life; our consciousness is always hungry. That is why humankind has created philosophy, science, esoterics, and art and cannot do without religion and theology.
The superior consciousness - God, unlike our consciousness, possesses all truth and life within itself, or, more correctly, is Truth and Life itself. And our hungry consciousness aspires ultimately to God - Truth and Life.
Is Consciousness reminding us of our own personal morals and principles? Amongst other purposes.
That was one of the best best interviews I’ve seen in a long time.
We're so glad you think so 💫
Awareness is known by awareness alone.
Raising consciousness is all about eliminating black karma by suffering.....................Falun Dafa
Yes consciousness has a purpose, but each one determines its own purpose via Free Will.
"Human" consciousness is such an uneeded distinction. There is no difference whatsoever between the conciousness of an ape or a human. There's a difference in the physiological neurological processes obviously, but we've established consciousness and physiological neurological processes are not the same thing.
Surely this is a philosophical question rather than a scientific question, ie Existentialism itself which ponders this very question; what the hell are we doing here and now that we are here what the hell are we supposed to do with it??? They argue that any meaning is what we as individuals ascribe to it, but I suspect there is something far deeper underpinning everything.
consciousness will tell you about your soulself
I will not profess to know what consciousness is, but all I can say is that I don't think it's purely limited to brain. I have had two experiences throughout my life which have brought me to the conclusion that consciousness is MORE than brain function, and that it can exist at a much "higher" level than we anticipate. I would call this "non-local" consciousness. My own consciousness has been in different locations during periods when I was unconscious and during anaesthesia. So Consciousness is something we will NEVER grasp.
The part of you that is reading this right now is your soul, you, consciousness, awake. The same part that thinks, your brain only takes orders and moves the body, never thinks.......................Falun Dafa
You have been condition by what you have learned throughout life, by others not by yourself. A man that can not see by itself is blind. For example movement and memory gives you a sense of time.
Science trying to understand the BigBang by looking at the past, they just looking at a desert 🏜 mirage. Time starts here and now and it ends here and now. All what you believe is the past and the future is an illusion of the mind. Times begins in the here and now moment, the past is created by the now and so the future. And all of it is a magical illusion. ❤🙏☯️
Raising consciousness is all about eliminating black karma by suffering.....................Falun Dafa
Purpose implies intention.
Yes - and you will find an abundance of teleological "intention" if you examine the unconscious within the psyche.
And a combination of inheritance, replication and environmental selection create systems that exhibit intentional behaviour. We even use this principle to engineer systems these days. Alphazero and the latest generation of Large Language Models are not programmed directly by humans with algorithms. Rather they evolve behaviours starting from randomised initial states. Sure, we set the conditions for success, but for the most sophisticated neural network systems we don’t even know how they actually work. So it is with us, we are intentional beings pursuing our evolutionary goals. Intelligence does not have goals itself, it can’t give you reasons to achieve your ultimate goals, but it’s an incredibly good tool at helping us achieve those goals.
@@simonhibbs887*"Models are not programmed directly by humans with algorithms. Rather they evolve behaviours starting from randomised initial states. Sure, we set the conditions for success, but for the most sophisticated neural network systems we don’t even know how they actually work."*
... The "human factor" embedded within every AI's development is unavoidable no matter how much our contribution is marginalized. Even future AI models that develop new AI models on their own cannot escape their "original" human orchestration. That leaves a big, cognitive hole in any assertion that intent is not directly linked to intelligence (or that "intelligence emerged from nonintelligence").
*"Intelligence does not have goals itself, it can’t give you reasons to achieve your ultimate goals, but it’s an incredibly good tool at helping us achieve those goals"*
... The goal of intelligence is to increase in overall intelligence. This is achieved through the acquisition of *new information.*
@@simonhibbs887 Freud, much like yourself believed the psyche was reducible to motivations or material events from the past. However, Jung and other psychologists since Freud have discovered other forward looking attributes within the unconscious i.e. teleological in nature, arising spontaneously within the unconscious and are easily observable through the production of dreams. So therefore the psyche is both a product of the past but also reaches toward the future - apparently, on occasion, can even foresee the future given the copious amount of scientific evidence for precognition.
There is no current scientific evidence the psyche is derivable or reducible to the brain - just as there is no evidence a broadcast is reducible or derivable from a radio itself. I know I repeat this often, but it appears to be frequently forgotten by those who take the "Materialist" position, assuming there is scientific proof or evidence the brain produces consciousness. When there currently is none. All science currently shows at this time - is correlations of conscious states with brain activity, but as you know, correlation is not causation. There has yet to be any demonstrable scientific evidence showing consciousness can be derived from the chemicals and electricity operating in the brain. Perhaps in the future, this may be the case, but at this time, there is none.
Furthermore, there is growing scientific evidence through Near-Death studies - which again I am reminding you of here Simon - over the last 30+ years, there have been over 65+ worldwide scientific studies some multi-year, of all age groups and ethnicities - of the Near-Death phenomena. And almost all the scientists have concluded from these published studies, that consciousness itself appears to be able to operate when the brain is no longer functioning or could possibly be functioning.
This conclusion by the scientific researchers in NDE by the way coincides with Carl Jung's empirical study of the unconscious - and this is where he and Freud parted ways: Freud insisted the psyche itself was reducible to past events - was a product of the past, where Jung saw many properties within the psyche not derivable from the past. The psyche has a peculiar nature which cannot be reduced to anything else.
Consciousness is intentionality.
Consciousness is you and I and all that is. Consciousness is what gives the platform for all existence. Consciousness cannot be reduced to biological or physical functions.
@5:48
Consciousness does not have states. That’s mind that has states of sad, happy, hungry, angry, guilt, meditative, …. Consciousness is the subject not the object.
I am aware that I’m happy that implies I am not the state of whatever that is hence I’m not the mind
I imagine that
building and maintaining our very complex and beneficent civilization
would be profoundly difficult
for unconscious people to accomplish.
Few of us ever think specifically about the civilized life we live.
Some of us occasionally go camping in the wild
so as to allow the contrast to remind us of
how wonderful toilets, running water, air conditioning,
effective medicine, television and
plenty of tasty food really are.
When all the females were in the harem of the alpha male,
satisfying evolution's urges could get a guy severely beaten.
Three cheers for the conscious mode of being and
the civilization it enables.
The “purpose” must be for the universe to become self-aware. We are of it and through us it achieves sentience. Of course many feel that the universe itself and everything if it and in it have a modicum, to varying degrees, of consciousness and self-consciousness.
No, the universe is aware, it is humans that are asleep, consciousness is your soul............Falun Dafa
@@jeffforsythe9514 consciousness is a mathematical pattern....Max Tegmark
@@naomidoner9803 No, it is your soul when you are awake and the you that is reading this right now.
Don't know how we can get around the purpose of consciousness being the preservation of the ever evolving living being.
The purpose of consciousness was initially to better understand our environment for survival, it evolved further when we became the apex predator and started exploring ourselves as we no longer need to concentrate always on our environment.
Can we really contemplate a reality without consciousness/awareness ?
Sure, why not? I can contemplate a reality without my children because I lived in it. I can contemplate a reality without me, because my parents and other ancestors lived in it. If I can contemplate reality without any given consciousness, in any combination, then I can contemplate a reality without any of them. Furthermore we have evidence at leat our planet existed before people, or even any organisms did. So really, it’s not hard at all.
@@simonhibbs887 so you really think that the capacity to have something that can observe reality (and so deem it existing) is just a random chance ? that in the 99,99999999999% of cases we could have gone with a reality without anything conscious in it ? Do you really think that ?
One can't contemplate anything without being conscious.
This is abundantly obvious.
Probably because 'contemplate' and 'being conscious'
are practically synonymous.
One cannot contemplate reality even when one is vividly contemplative.
Why not?
One is conscious only of one's thoughts and of the fact
thoughts merely represent.
@@francesco5581 We know enough about naturally occurring evolving chemical systems, such as autocatalytic sets, that I think the chances of life developing somewhere in the universe is close to guaranteed. Teleology is a failed approach to knowledge though, so I don’t think things in our universe occur for a preconceived purpose. Every time teleology has been employed as an explanation for a natural phenomenon it’s been debunked, from Aristotle to Lamarck. Rather we now understand how purposefulness can develop naturally. We know enough about those mechanisms that we can even use them to evolve our own problem solving systems. These explanations aren’t just theory anymore, they are practical engineering. It doesn’t matter who believes these ideas anymore, people are out there getting stuff done with them.
@@simonhibbs887 that have nothing to do with consciousness,,, since either life is the product of an "higher" consciousness or is the product of random chance. You should also know that about life thee are 2 theories A) is an obvious result of the universe as its B) is a too exception occurrence to be random. Both fit a theist perspective. But the problem is not only regarding life, is about fine tuning , that is accepted by every scientist (thats why every atheist must rely on multiverses ....)
Life and Consciousness is Eternal,
can't be seperated,
is the Cauce-Less Cauce,
have not been, can't be, created,
can Only be the Creator, and the Creator-Ability.
Our Eternal Ability-Set is mirrored in the Rainbow,
it is the same 'Abilities' that make our
Smart Devices work, just in technical form.
Do toenails have a purpose ?
It's something that has interested me for over 50 years.
And why do they keep growing ? I have to cut mine every year !
Consciousness is the ability to explore degrees of freedom.
The purpose of consciousness is to explore degrees of freedom.
Not a strange conclusion at all. I see consciousness as a quality.
Or
The purpose of consciousness is to make civilization possible.
Maybe I should consult a professor at Oxford university about toenails
One day we will build machines that we can converse with intelligently. They will have senses and memory and they will say they are conscious. How would we prove they were not conscious.
*"How would we prove they were not conscious."*
... I would just ask Siri if they were conscious.
Consciousness is the gas in our own tank or money in our own pocket so we're able to make use of all the sensory data directed at us as apparently distinct individuals. We need that sense of feeling like the lights are on in order to responsibly keep active and make use of our context/situations at any given time, and that sense of being responsible and activated and "on" is probably the kind of thing that consciousness would feel like. Now, the question of what does that responsibility entail is a different question. That has to do with clear communication with ourselves and our context
We as apparently distinct individuals are born and granted a consciousness aka responsibility to simultaneously act both naturally and like we're independent & separate from our context, so that we avoid missing out on living and thriving and contributing maximally by knowing to make choices that all add up to us being our genuine best selves. Arguably so much has to start with the self. Dissolving ego can be admirable but I believe it's the proactive genuineness in conjuction with the "removal of self" that directly contributes to our context/world most. Unless we're clearly communicating with ourselves and our world we won't be in tune with much and the world won't know how to support us much or lean on us. We won't thrive much. Stuff like intuition literally both requires and is benevolence and truth, and clear communication
Consciousness is the soul when we are awake, the part of you that is reading this right now, you.
@@skipsch
If I understand your comment then you would agree that
the being conscious process co-evolved with civilization
thereby increasing the odds of our survival and reproductive success.
Consciousness is our Divine soul. Raising consciousness is all about eliminating black karma by suffering.....................Falun Dafa
Science can attempt to tell us "how" but it cannot ever tell us "why"....... Fun to ponder "why" but that quest can drive you insane.....
The why is mostly the need for ourselves to better understand our environment and so we survive..
Disproving the adage that there are no stupid questions.
There are stupid people that's why we have stupid questions and I think we just heard from one
We have no limitations. If we did, how could god know itself, through us.
We are souls, that's why we have conciousness emarges from soul and mind is the interface between outer world and soul. In Bhagbat Gita Lord Krishna explains this nicely.
We are not souls.
This guy which talks to Robert is a just comentator, speakin, saying nothing, bravo.
One of the best segments on Consciousness. But, Consciousness would only need to wake up to its true nature if it was the location of ignorance. It is the mind that is the "locus" of ignorance, and that is what needs to be remedied. If you place your identity in the mind, you automatically inherit all its limitations. If you place your identity in Consciousness, then the limitations vanish. 👌
Your mind and consciousness are the soul when you are awake, it is you the soul, that is reading this right now.
@@jeffforsythe9514 We might be using the words differently. I would say light illuminates the page, and the eyes collect that image and presents that in the brain. The mind illuminates the image in the brain, and processes it in several ways. And Consciousness illuminates the mind.
@@picksalot1 All thought has its origin in the soul and it is the soul, you, who is reading this right now.............................Falun Dafa When one sleeps, the soul visits other dimensions.
@@jeffforsythe9514 Thought is a function of mind. When in Deep Sleep, there is no thought, but Consciousness is always present. If by "Soul" you mean undivided Consciousness, then we may be indicating the same thing.
@@picksalot1 Your Divine soul was born in Heaven, you sinned and fell here, just like the rest of us, to give us a chance to redeem ourselves. Nothing about divided or undivided. Our sub conscious is our secondary soul..............................Falun Dafa
Consciousness gives variety to life! So life can adapt to changes of the environment! Without verity everyone will be the same, like robots! So survival with drastic change in evnioment, will sound the death knell of the a unitary species!
Our minds are not only "our own laboratories" for studying consciousness -- the are the ONLY laboratories we have.
All of the other laboratories are not studying consciousness, but its content.
Consciousness is the "watching", not what is observed.
EDIT: the reason I say "ONLY laboratories" goes to the unique nature of consciousness - it is unobservable, and impossible to verify as existent in any being. We "know" ourselves to be conscious, and assume it about others with no way of proving it.
Current studies in the science of consciousness are limited to studying conscious content because only that can be observed, categorized, and confirmed in a "scientific way".
The only way we have currently to study the "watching" is to do it, and given the above problem (consciousness is unobservable and unverifiable in other beings), we can only do that with our own consciousness.
And that, currently, can only be done through mindfulness and meditation to the point where identification with object, and waking conscious thinking itself, ceases.
Granted, sounds a bit weird (it is...).
But, I do believe that...
First, consciousness is "explicable" in the physics of our world, just not in physics as it is currently formulated.
and...
Second, that we will develop a physics that encompasses consciousness, and things will seem less "weird".
The mind is the soul, the part of you that is reading this right now...................Falun Dafa
I am conscious.
Consciousness is not a 'something' that I 'have'.
Conscious is what I am.
I am the watcher.
How am I conscious?
I think 'how' can best be explained by first recognizing that my self is a thought.
This thought that I am is no doubt quite complex.
This thought that I am is 'about' my self.
This thought that I am is unique insofar as every other thought is 'about' something else.
When these other thoughts modulate the thought that is my self and
the thought that is my self is in the conscious mode
then these modulations are of what my self is conscious.
And these modulations can ripple through the logic of my synapses
eventually causing my muscles to drive the ball 200 yards straight down the fairway.
Edit: hypothetically speaking.
@@REDPUMPERNICKEL Th brain is like the cockpit of an airplane and the soul is the pilot, it is Divine.
Watching implies a watcher. Subjective experience is both experience and a subject. We watch and experience but we do it is as a unique subject with unique experiences and proclivities and abilities. No two human consciousnesses are the same thing.
The purpose of consciousness is the same as the purpose of legs. Survival within the environment we evolved within.
@@jackarmstrong5645 We have been put on this planet as a punishment and a last chance to redeem ourselves so that we may return home to Heaven. In Heaven, there is no problem surviving. Our Divine soul, consciousness, needs purification................Falun Dafa
Newton saying that sudden gem on his deathbed makes him greater than Shakespeare 😂
Was thinking same
there are known knowns
there are known unknowns
and there are unknown unknowns
consciousness is what generates interdimentional quantum coherence.
Purpose? Maybe Maybe Not
If only I could think of an interesting question.
You know, a question that nobody else has asked.
I could be famous and make lots of money !
We must first establish the meaning of the word “religion” , if by religion you mean some white old dude sitting on a cloud judging mankind and damning most to hell to burn for all eternity, that doesn’t even belong in the conversation imho, it’s a MANmade construct used to control the masses and separate them from their money. If by “religion” you mean the inherent search for the meaning of life and the Creator, Force, First Cause most can sense in the core of their being then, yes, I believe we can’t merely overlook this most prominent aspect of life.
Guys it isnt correct. Disciplines never keep going conscience definitions . Neuroscience figure out consciente out so far. Guys shows varieties experiences his conscience are ant neuroscience proceedings. Rambling gibberich.
Without our individual consciousness ( the mind ) we would not exist.
@LifesInsight All there is that makes us a living being is an AI and a mind. Together, we are programmed by our Creator to experience life in many different worlds after this fake world ends soon.
@LifesInsight If you want, I can type a book's worth of eternal wisdom that I possess that our Creator revealed to me this past 15 years. You have absolutely no idea what eternal wisdom is about.
I'm an "evolutionist" and he's WRONG! CONSCIOUSNESS serves one purpose for life and that's to defend itself from threats. Humans main defense is cooperation therefore we talk and write living out that cooperation. Any conscious being on another planet would also have cooperation as their number one mode of defense. The first thing us humans think about when the idea of meeting an alien from another world is HOW DO WE COMMUNICATE? That's conscienceness in the human defensiveness in evolution.
Even Jesus struggled with his spiritual and universal goals. Can you mention a saviour around the world and stories that didn't struggle, including pregnant mothers and newborn babies.
NO 1 cares about your fictional characters
Fictional characters don't have a role in our rational ideas.
What hell are u talking about god boy
World doesn't exist without it . V r that.
Waking up in the sense he means is not possible under the brutality and injustice of capitalism. Deliberately so. We need a revolution in economics and then one of consciousness will follow the liberation from deliberately and immorally imposed poverty, anxiety and depression by the ruling class.
Consciousness creates purpose.
Consciousness creates civilization.
Civilization makes tools of people which gives them purpose
then Civilization uses those tools to accomplish its own ends.
This is most clearly illustrated in the case of soldiers.
Consciousness Predates Everything except Nothingness
ALL is ONE!
so bascically at the end it tells us didily squat
pure waffle
Evolution has no directional arrow. Consciousness arose as a tool for survival, and did so well before _homo sapiens._ However, brains are energy expensive and not always the best fit.
where is your consciousness ies life.....life and consciousness are not different things..
obviously but how many individuals seethe and acknowledge that
Anything without a Central nervous system isn't conscious. There is life without conscious too
@@ManiBalajiC Wrong...eg planarian worm...they can regenerate their entire head without nervous system...Even Human cells are consious(collective intelligence) they can solve problems at cellular level...
WHy do you call human couscousness? is it only a prerogative of humans?
Of course it has a purpose. Consciousness of results provides for a feedback loop.
Shaky.
Find the people who screwed your life over and kicked him in the head repeatedly with pair of steel toed shoes?
Conscious God the Holy Spirit split Himself into free conscious souls with the main purpose of having a free family to love and be loved freely, knowing the risk that His free splits may reject and abandon Him to fall from Heaven and be lost in eternity...
..many did abandon God for greed, believing that they can find the forbidden knowledge to be as powerful as God despite God's plea and warning that there is only suffering and emptiness beyond Heaven. We did not heed God. We lost faith in God. We fell from Heaven and ended in cold dark nothingness (hell)..
...many of us were sent to earth to use human vessels for a chance to return to Heaven through regaining our faith in a loving God because we asked God for this chance. If we fail to believe, our lost souls can not return Home.
The purpose of human consciousness is to learn, to absorb the Word.
Only a materialist could ask such a dumb question. Does consciousness have a purpose? OK…lets put the physical sciences aside and put on our philosophical hat. Start by considering yourself as non physical in essence. Then think a bit about not having a body to define yourself. Imagine in order to exist as a non physical being that you would need to create yourself….then ask that stupid question again.
Robert, good sir, might you check out these Books:
1. Upanishads, translated by Nikhilananda, and another set by Radhakrishnan.
2. Vivekacudamani, by Sankara
3. Upadesa Sahashri, by Sankara.
These books are gold. There's more books I want to share. These 3 books are all about Atman, Soul, Self. Persons can talk all day about what they want to, sometimes we have to do it.
Diam's a French singer known as Mélanie Georgiades, her five mintues of Islamic prayer took away 5 years of depression. She was hosiptalied for 2 months prior depression and mental health problem.
In Toronto, Canada a Jewish young man broke free from depression by reading the Quran, it was another miracle.
Sadly a top British doctor Matthew Crocker in Neurosurgeon took his own life due to depression, just read the Quran could have saved him.
Toronto, Canada, Jewish young man on how he broken free from depression video title is: "Yusha The World Explorer My Journey to Islam story"
France: French singer's video title is: "Successful Network Marketing French Rap Star converted to Islam"
Sorry I cannot post actual links, my post getting filtered out by UA-cam, so you need to search for video title on YT.
Waste of time.
So, the purpose of consciousness is to discover its true self? Huh?
Humans can know laws of physics and create culture because they have a conscious computational brain.
Being conscious is a possible (i.e. can exist but may not depending on other factors) property of the machine that is able to do those other things.
An artificial consciousness is possible. @@JSB2500
who knew the build up of ion channels was conscious. are you a christian?
The brain is a feeling machine. It learns computation, it knows feeling.
@@mediocrates3416 cool religion. in real life, no such emergent property has ever been observed in even the most basic asserted neural correlate.
Does Consciousness Have Purpose?
The ultimate purpose of consciousness is to remain as itself as consciousness!!!
*"...Does Consciousness Have a Purpose?..."* What an amazingly silly question. Without the existence of consciousness to see, feel, hear, smell, and taste the phenomenal features of reality, then all of reality would be meaningless and have absolutely no reason for existing. Indeed, in the context of the "measurement problem" in quantum mechanics, it is still an unresolved issue as to whether or not reality could even take form were it not for consciousness being somehow involved in wavefunction collapse.
There is no purpose any where. The word "purpose" is man made . But nature in itself looks absolute purposeless .
Your individuality is a fake ego! THere is only CONSIOUSNESS (GOD)! Everything else is a temporary projection of it.
says who ?
there should be no racism then
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. - John 3:16
Consciousness is a mathematical pattern....Max Tegmark
"It is a great error to assume that the meaning of life is exhausted with the period of youth and growth... The afternoon of life is just as full of meaning as the morning, only its meaning and purpose is a wholly different one." ~CG Jung
The meaning of life is to live, if you are alive mission accomplished, if not it doesn’t matter anymore.
I think the modern disconnected family structure is a problem here. My wife is Chinese and in that culture, at least in our family, the older generation live with the younger. My wife's parents spent half their time with us and half in China when our children were younger and continuously for the last 13 years. They've been an integral part of bringing up our children from the start. The modern western system of the nuclear family, and the older generation living alone I think is a big mistake. I'm not sure living together like this would work on my European side of the family though, independent family units is so ingrained in our culture. It's also very common for nuclear families to live very far apart due to patterns of work. My parents have lived a minimum of a 3 hour drive away from me since I got my first job.
@@simonhibbs887 Carl Jung spent some time studying Eastern culture and Eastern philosophy/religion. He wrote the introduction to Richard Wilhelm's well-known translation of the The I Ching (Bollingen Series XIX).
Although I believe Jung would agree with you regarding the much needed necessary connection of youth and age, I don't believe "meaning" for him was restricted only to a family group/entity. Meaning centered more on the Individual's path through life and the goal oriented portions of the psyche reaching toward fulfilling one's individual wholeness or "potential" - which included all the stages of life from youth to old age. Jung felt usually in the first half of life, the psyche was turned outward, more ego centered working to achieve outward success and materialistic ambitions - whereas the second half of life the psyche (in general) turned inward. What is interesting - something Aniela Jaffe pointed out in her book on Apparitions and Precognition (well known psychological phenomena Jung and others have written about ) the unconscious, near the end of people's lives - as often reported and documented in the dreams of many of the elderly - the unconscious produces images of death as a journey implying that - "for the psyche which creates these images - death is not an end nor life after death a nothingness."
@@raywkilleen Similar to a kindergartner's definition of life's meaning.
It seems any thought in consciousness simply creates a wedge from true inner nature, including this very concept.
In short: bla bla bla I don’t know
How should one phrase it:
1. Consciousness touches all things and levels we wish to penetrate
2. Consciousness is the very means through which all that we may touch upon and penetrate.
The psycho physical, human experience,
Or
Acknowledge consciousness as a predicate of God.
Top downism acknowledges the progenitor is always greater than the progeny. If persons want to limit consciousness to the human that's fine, God is most certainly greater than hum Consciousness.
GOD needs no purpose as God is most complete and ONE and comparable to none.
Humans certainly have purpose in consciousness known as experience.