Our World Is Coming To An End | Aaron Bastani Meets Slavoj Žižek | Downstream

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  • Slavoj Žižek is perhaps the most famous living Marxist philosopher. In 2023, he has written 3 books with topics ranging from the nature of freedom to his intensely pessimistic view of the future.
    He sat down with Aaron to talk about Israel and Palestine, Deep Fakes and the legacy of Stalin.
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  • @MrRtm2010
    @MrRtm2010 10 місяців тому +1176

    Zizek referring to BDS as "Boycott, Divest & So on" is surely some kind of exquisite self-parody

    • @paddymeboy
      @paddymeboy 10 місяців тому +40

      Zizek has always had a tendency to make melodramatic overstatements.

    • @joemama8354
      @joemama8354 10 місяців тому +3

      😂fully

    • @conorknapp6764
      @conorknapp6764 10 місяців тому +64

      I was hoping for “LGBTQ & so on & so on” when they were discussing it

    • @joshparrott8841
      @joshparrott8841 10 місяців тому +33

      His Millennial snark has been on another level since before Millennials existed

    • @Itsyrm8
      @Itsyrm8 10 місяців тому +7

      The fidelcastro meaning was great too, haha- i f love this guy...

  • @J14Irish
    @J14Irish 10 місяців тому +991

    Producer: 'Tell stories if you want...'
    Slavoj: 'No, don't say this to a madman!'
    🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @MrGwaih1r
      @MrGwaih1r 10 місяців тому +10

      I had to laugh so hard

    • @enlightenedterrestrial
      @enlightenedterrestrial 9 місяців тому +8

      That was great 😂

    • @Infotainment-cb6cy
      @Infotainment-cb6cy 9 місяців тому +8

      Well, he does sound like a mad man. he produces no arguments - merely opinions here - and the interviewer is fully to blame.

    • @pharmakon7920
      @pharmakon7920 8 місяців тому +6

      @@Infotainment-cb6cythere are a million academics and philosophers out making serious well thought out arguments, go read them and let zizek be zizek. You don’t always have to agree with him or think he’s the most thorough guy in the world but he’s one of a kind.

    • @Impaled_Onion-thatsmine
      @Impaled_Onion-thatsmine 8 місяців тому

      Why are people so negative about me being a person without any conditional realization of my life or the life of the mind on an experiential I of not being itself dulled in terms of what I want to be differententiated as the only other of you ?

  • @BCooperArtMind
    @BCooperArtMind 10 місяців тому +691

    As a son to a Native American, and father to Native Amazonian children, we all say: Welcome to the End of the World, we've been waiting for you!

    • @xuzeh
      @xuzeh 10 місяців тому +16

      Oh, are you one of the Quetzalcoatl’s collective?

    • @BCooperArtMind
      @BCooperArtMind 10 місяців тому +10

      @@xuzeh No idea what that is, sorry.

    • @FloatingErgonaut
      @FloatingErgonaut 10 місяців тому +4

      What do you mean? Do you mean climate change?

    • @LizApizaa
      @LizApizaa 10 місяців тому +163

      ​@@FloatingErgonaut No, I think they mean the end of the world came earlier to the Native Americans (specifically) during the Native American genocide that created the modern-day political order of the Americas.

    • @BCooperArtMind
      @BCooperArtMind 10 місяців тому +99

      @@LizApizaaSuccinct and precise, thank you.

  • @1991jj
    @1991jj 10 місяців тому +1090

    I'm so happy to see Zizek still energetic and in good spirits.

    • @NS-xt5wv
      @NS-xt5wv 10 місяців тому +75

      This man is one chronic manic episode, he will be like that till his last day

    • @Ankhar2332
      @Ankhar2332 10 місяців тому +7

      @@NS-xt5wvas well as Da Vinci

    • @grosbeak6130
      @grosbeak6130 10 місяців тому +8

      @@Ankhar2332 nope.

    • @joshparrott8841
      @joshparrott8841 10 місяців тому

      Two more "stupid political" books as well (my favorite)

    • @GenderDenier
      @GenderDenier 10 місяців тому

      I think people should watch documentaries such as "Europa The Last Battle" or "The Greatest Story Never Told" for a glimpse of historical facts.

  • @mnmlst1
    @mnmlst1 10 місяців тому +289

    I'd love to watch an interview without a deadline to be finished, to see how long it lasts. Zizek is so passionate about talking about important topics, I think he would spend two days in a row speaking non stop. And I would totally listen to it.

    • @electron8262
      @electron8262 10 місяців тому +23

      I got into a very interesting Žižek style conversation with a person I met in a hostel kitchen this summer. We spent the next 3 nights (yes, until dawn!) in that kitchen. It totally is possible!

    • @joshparrott8841
      @joshparrott8841 10 місяців тому +11

      Read his "stupid books about politicks which are two, three hundred of pages" (his quote)

    • @aoeu256
      @aoeu256 8 місяців тому +8

      Dude imagine Zizek as an anime girl vtuber but with a good voice changer/voice synthesizer technology.

    • @TheZectorian
      @TheZectorian 7 місяців тому +5

      ⁠@@aoeu256 This is a wonderful idea. It would shift the IQ of younger generations up by a statistically significant amount. Now all we have to do is to convince Zizek…

    • @hamidhamidi3134
      @hamidhamidi3134 3 місяці тому

      He is trying hard not to offend anybody. Just another ticktock type celebrity.

  • @75hilmar
    @75hilmar 10 місяців тому +444

    Zizek: "What style are you used to here?"
    Team: "Tell stories if you want..."
    Zizek: "Don't tell this to a madman!" _proceeds to tell a story_ 😂

  • @Taycatte
    @Taycatte 10 місяців тому +90

    I have never seen someone handle Zizek as a guest so well. He tends to go over the same points in every interview I find, but you managed to squeeze a lot of interesting things out of him that I haven't heard before. Well done.

  • @vandrovka14
    @vandrovka14 10 місяців тому +528

    This is honestly the best interview with Zizek I’ve ever seen. You’re awesome, it’s good you let him speak and not rush him but also it’s clear you’ve done your research as your questions are really relevant and great to lead the discussion. Well done, subscribed!

    • @robmartin5448
      @robmartin5448 10 місяців тому +13

      This guy is an absolute joke, he has said nothing new since 2010 🤣. He's like the Chris Collinsowrth of Political Science.

    • @EkoFranko
      @EkoFranko 10 місяців тому +18

      @@robmartin5448 Maybe because there was nothing new to talk about since 2010

    • @Bamboodonutz
      @Bamboodonutz 10 місяців тому +2

      @@robmartin5448 2010??? Eons ago.

    • @B_Estes_Undegöetz
      @B_Estes_Undegöetz 10 місяців тому +26

      @@robmartin5448It’s not meant to be an entertainment product like a show or movie franchise.

    • @joshparrott8841
      @joshparrott8841 10 місяців тому

      When your theories fit future activities, why modify@@robmartin5448 Nice trumpian rhetoric

  • @penelopegreene
    @penelopegreene 10 місяців тому +269

    Staying sober in this damned world just might be the best advice you can get.

    • @nexusyang4832
      @nexusyang4832 5 місяців тому +5

      Keep your head on a swivel.

    • @intricatic
      @intricatic 3 місяці тому +4

      No, I refuse!

    • @dbarker7794
      @dbarker7794 3 місяці тому

      Why?

    • @penelopegreene
      @penelopegreene 3 місяці тому +2

      @@dbarker7794 Try it the other way, come back and report.

    • @penelopegreene
      @penelopegreene 3 місяці тому

      @@koschmx Yeah, I already got allergies!

  • @jonfin3574
    @jonfin3574 10 місяців тому +126

    When I run a DnD game, one of my NPC wizards always speaks like Žižek. It's alway the most popular NPC. 😄

    • @nexusyang4832
      @nexusyang4832 6 місяців тому +3

      I’d love to see Zizek appear in one of the AI Presidents D&D campaigns. 😅😅😅😅😅

  • @mattbonanza9032
    @mattbonanza9032 10 місяців тому +337

    😂...I knew about this man already but in first minute he made me want to bow to him..."Never get drunk in public, world is a dangerous place and someone will use your moment of not being sober to undermine you".....😂....So true.

    • @Virjunior01
      @Virjunior01 10 місяців тому +8

      The mind can be just as dangerous and do the same things.

    • @mattbonanza9032
      @mattbonanza9032 10 місяців тому +5

      @@Virjunior01 Well, everything in the world has a good side and bad side. Important is to know, to understand, to try to avoid doing anyone any harm but remaining true to yourself. You are right, a pen can be mightier than the sword.

    • @benzpinto
      @benzpinto 9 місяців тому +8

      that is actually an old chinese saying 😂

    • @mattbonanza9032
      @mattbonanza9032 9 місяців тому +11

      @@benzpinto Many things "European" are actually old Chinese 😉. Pasta, silk, latest IPhone 🤣

    • @piplee1439
      @piplee1439 9 місяців тому +7

      No it’s not… that’s just paranoia

  • @NagoyaHouseHead
    @NagoyaHouseHead 10 місяців тому +440

    Zizek is so palpably excited about discussing ideas. He's like a child at play.

    • @user-px4mp6lz3o
      @user-px4mp6lz3o 10 місяців тому +29

      He's brilliant and it excites him to think

    • @voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885
      @voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 10 місяців тому +16

      He's literally a child at play - hence his confession of loving eating at McDonalds.

    • @gethelp6271
      @gethelp6271 10 місяців тому +6

      @@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 Children like mcdonalds because they don't know any better.

    • @Acoustic-Rabbit-Hole
      @Acoustic-Rabbit-Hole 10 місяців тому

      Therefore Zizek literally internalizes consumer culture . @@gethelp6271

    • @smoothbeak
      @smoothbeak 10 місяців тому +2

      Yeah, childish- not child-like

  • @f0xylady100
    @f0xylady100 10 місяців тому +540

    I love these Downstreams. Aaron floated the idea on Friday of a Novara history channel. It would be amazing. I hope it becomes a reality one day.

    • @robertwinslade3104
      @robertwinslade3104 10 місяців тому +12

      Agreed. He used to make great little history segments which I found really interesting and enjoyable. Not sure why they stopped making those, but I would happily see them return, or maybe a once-per-week history themed podcast episode similar to Downstream

    • @beadmecreative9485
      @beadmecreative9485 10 місяців тому +1

      @@robertwinslade3104 Probably because it takes time and no one is paying for it!

    • @Bizarro69
      @Bizarro69 10 місяців тому +3

      This generation is allergic to paying for anything on the internet yet they want their favorite platforms to expand.
      Ridiculous.

    • @stephanieking4444
      @stephanieking4444 10 місяців тому

      What was meant by "history"? World history? Modern Western civilisations history? History as a series of cycles? History of thought movements (just the modern ones or all of them)?

    • @liamhickey359
      @liamhickey359 10 місяців тому +7

      @@stephanieking4444 history is shit that happened in the past.

  • @Mastakilla91
    @Mastakilla91 10 місяців тому +118

    A very *very* fruitful and addictive conversation in whicht many different topics were mentioned and analized.
    Žižek has the same energy he had 10 years ago and you managed to let him speak out while still non-invasively guiding him.
    Greets to Slavoj from his old homecountry.

    • @NikolaAvramov
      @NikolaAvramov 10 місяців тому +5

      Žižek preaching fascism helped bring down the very country you've got in your avatar.

    • @outlawedTV88
      @outlawedTV88 10 місяців тому +2

      @@NikolaAvramov reci mu brate. Staljinisti kao on treba da zavrse tamo gde treba. Zamisli da slavis coveka i bude ti idol neko ko je poubijao 200 miliona "svojih" ljudi. Ajmo udri po istini kazem pod navodnicima "svojih" jer on sam nije bio Rus vec jedno obicno cionisticko govno kao i onaj njegov Lenjin obojca skolovani u Austriji. Cak i njegova cerka je uspela da pobegne od njega u Ameriku.

    • @LobotimirMerkanski
      @LobotimirMerkanski 9 місяців тому +2

      Yes fruitful. He even says Juice

    • @yvavi6851
      @yvavi6851 7 місяців тому

      Is your username a merauder refference

    • @vibesverily
      @vibesverily 5 місяців тому +1

      seeing him guided non invasively is ok, but personally i like it better when the interviewer leads him to the point using fully penetrative interviewing techniques

  • @matictelic
    @matictelic Місяць тому +2

    I can’t believe I just found this now. As a regular viewer of both Novara episodes and Slavoj’s lectures it is an unbelievable combination

  • @ryandudley3616
    @ryandudley3616 10 місяців тому +399

    One of the very rare occasions where Zizek is actually engaging with his interviewer and calmly going through his points

    • @Ctrl_Del_0
      @Ctrl_Del_0 10 місяців тому +55

      Zizek?
      Calmly?
      My god, I had to tie my laptop down. it was jumping all over the place as soon the video started 😄
      By the way, this is a compliment to Mr Zizek.

    • @ryandudley3616
      @ryandudley3616 10 місяців тому +13

      Tbf as the video goes on, rambling and verbose Zizek begins to re-emerge 🥹

    • @markpostgate2551
      @markpostgate2551 10 місяців тому +16

      ​@@ryandudley3616
      We wouldn't want him to change though, would we?

    • @ryandudley3616
      @ryandudley3616 10 місяців тому +16

      @@markpostgate2551gota be honest.. I prefer when he gets to the point of what he actually has to say 😵‍💫 all that rambly digression stuff drives me a bit loopy, especially when it relates to a question that’s been posed by the interviewer regarding some urgent issue or other

    • @markpostgate2551
      @markpostgate2551 10 місяців тому +17

      @@ryandudley3616
      It makes me laugh when in a middle of a ramble he says "what was your question again?"

  • @lakes836
    @lakes836 10 місяців тому +47

    Really really interesting conversation! Zizek's unconventional way of putting things in perspective (and sometimes a bit overwhelming lol!) is just amazing and you did a great job managing it Aaron. Things I wanted to hear from a leftie with honesty for a long time, and Zizek just delivered that so well.

  • @mbicer
    @mbicer 6 місяців тому +92

    00:03 Juice should be valued and not threatened.
    02:34 Stay sober and vigilant to recognize attacks.
    07:32 We live in dangerous times and thinking is needed.
    10:22 Revolutionary movements can have unintended consequences.
    16:09 The film 'Oppenheimer' received backlash in India for the portrayal of Bhagavad Gita in a sexual context.
    18:34 The left should focus on building a broad coalition instead of engaging in divisive censoring.
    23:53 Safety of social order is essential for normal life.
    26:23 Leftist should focus on changing power structure for real impact
    31:37 Robespierre consciously risked his life to stop the horror of Terror
    34:06 Violent measures can lead to a better state in the long run.
    39:38 Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict can lead to catastrophic consequences for all sides.
    42:19 Putin aims to create a perverted anti-Western coalition, using issues like feminism, homosexuality, and anti-Semitism to fight against the West.
    47:33 The rise of European Jewry is intertwined with the idea of cosmopolitanism.
    50:09 Leftist anti-Semitism is a sign of a problem with their leftism.
    55:14 The result of granting full citizenship rights to Jews was a stronger form of anti-Semitism.
    57:58 The legacy of modern Europe, with its strong sovereign nation-states, is a catastrophe today.
    1:02:46 Modernization through controlled capitalism and national traditions
    1:05:06 A new form of power is emerging in today's global economy, where conglomerates and mega corporations exploit both productive capitalists and workers.
    1:10:10 Maintaining support for Ukraine to maintain the military stalemate is the best option.
    1:12:24 Putin's view on Ukraine and his plans for decommunization
    1:16:54 The decline of the United States may lead to the end of Western Civilization.
    1:19:03 Global rise of extreme right-wing parties and the potential for a new form of fascist capitalism.
    1:24:13 Socialism taught us that actual freedom requires certain material conditions.
    1:27:08 Preparing for emergency states and addressing ecological catastrophes is crucial to counter right-wing authoritarianism.
    1:31:36 The left analyzes underdevelopment caused by global capital, but fails to apply this analysis to the topic of occupation capitalist underdevelopment.
    1:34:16 American intervention in Iraq led to the rise of ISIS and increased Iranian influence.
    1:39:13 Be cautious of toxic relationships and false admiration for other cultures

  • @tuams
    @tuams 10 місяців тому +33

    Zizek looked so happy and engaged talking with Aaron. Very happy I found this show. Definitely, perspectives that we're lacking.

  • @caglabatur
    @caglabatur 9 місяців тому +20

    He is chaotic and I here for it😂❤ I love how productive he is (3 books a year!? wow) and he has sparks in his eyes while discussing his ideas. Admirable❤ ❤❤

  • @harryevans4513
    @harryevans4513 3 місяці тому +4

    He repeats this Bhagwad Geeta story a lot while not disseminating why it is wrong, just because it was used by someone doesn't make it a horrific book, the direct conclusion is that the person's interpretation of it was horrific. This is something I wouldn't expect of a philosopher to do.

  • @anastasia-03
    @anastasia-03 10 місяців тому +152

    Can’t help but laugh every time Zizek says “my God”

    • @CyberspacedLoner
      @CyberspacedLoner 10 місяців тому +15

      cultural versus religious christianity

    • @ia1530
      @ia1530 10 місяців тому +8

      @@CyberspacedLonerI like this dichotomy, Cultural God and Religious God.

    • @alexandar.jovanovic
      @alexandar.jovanovic 10 місяців тому +5

      I would like to se Žižek-but-every-time-he-says-My-God-video-speeds-up type of video.

    • @jodawgsup
      @jodawgsup 10 місяців тому

      @@user-qi7ot3vn2y it would be funnier if he curled up and started to autofellate

    • @mikegillmann9684
      @mikegillmann9684 10 місяців тому +2

      And so on and so on

  • @howtoappearincompletely9739
    @howtoappearincompletely9739 10 місяців тому +14

    My God, what a spectacular gadfly Žižek is. The more I hear from him, the more I like him.
    Also, props to Bastani for the analysis of the Chinese economy through the lens of car sales. That was a good approach.

  • @lecqz
    @lecqz 10 місяців тому +66

    Žižek is in high-flying good form in this excellent talk/interview. Host, Aaron Bastani, knows how to deal with his subject and lets Slavoj riff fairly freely, knowing exactly when to step in and ask the right questions to inspire his subject. Thank goodness for this right now. I really enjoyed it.

    • @Infotainment-cb6cy
      @Infotainment-cb6cy 9 місяців тому

      He is a boring ranter. anyone can do this. he dislikes real interviews cause he has no arguments to counter.

  • @jamesmckenna8092
    @jamesmckenna8092 10 місяців тому +35

    You really have to marvel at his great mind. I love his animated expressions which really help us to better understand his thinking. Hats off to Aaron, too for giving Slavoj the space to express fully his ideas. It was so refreshing to see the discussion transcend left/right politics and challenge mainstream narratives. One of your best yet. Bravo Novara Media. 👏

  • @hashkeeper
    @hashkeeper 10 місяців тому +85

    seriously a great interview. Novara has been putting out the best content on the net, incredibly nuanced, thank you. Zizek is always so incredibly insightful and genuine

  • @adampeters7947
    @adampeters7947 10 місяців тому +10

    Well this has cheered me up no end.
    A very heart warming interview.
    Once I have figured out away to cancel my momentum subscription, I'll make the regular payment to Novara instead.

  • @paulmartin6419
    @paulmartin6419 10 місяців тому +99

    Gotta love how early the pro-fascist trolls have arrived. Good sign. Keep it up Slavoj and Novara.

    • @ianalmond4733
      @ianalmond4733 10 місяців тому +28

      it is funny. if they're human trolls then at least they're punctual; if they're bots then all credit to their coders.

    • @paulheydarian1281
      @paulheydarian1281 10 місяців тому +19

      ​@@ianalmond4733
      Punctuality is terribly underrated these days, imho.

    • @JD1234XAD-ck8rq
      @JD1234XAD-ck8rq 10 місяців тому

      Zizek thinks that Israel has a right to exist. he support settler colonialism and is closer to a fascist than being on the left.
      you are not part of the left at all..
      you would have supported apartheid South Africa and European colonialism back in the day...

    • @katie2858
      @katie2858 10 місяців тому

      Telling how Novara are so prepared to platform right-wing cisgender transphobes over the age of 50 but not left-wing trans people over the age of 50. We get the message.

    • @jstdrv
      @jstdrv 10 місяців тому

      Communism is fascism.

  • @j_bones
    @j_bones 6 місяців тому +3

    Aaron PLEASE interview Zizek again. You have helped me understand so much about things he usually has trouble explaining because you ask him provocative questions. Incredible.

  • @jeremypfrost
    @jeremypfrost 8 місяців тому +5

    I enjoyed this. I wrote my Master's thesis on Zizek some years ago and still like to check in with him from time to time. Interviewer wasn't "an idiot" and let the man speak, while also following up where it wasn't clear Zizek had answered the point. Excellent sound quality by the way.

  • @nikolatomanovic9966
    @nikolatomanovic9966 10 місяців тому +208

    Can we have a moment of appreciation for Aaron’s professionalism. He is a fantastic interviewer (as well as a great source of information). 👏
    I would have loved this to be more of a discussion but that is very difficult with Zizek. Aaron knew that and adapted to it accordingly, not getting frustrated and clarifying points at key times. Very impressive.

    • @vanojoh3733
      @vanojoh3733 10 місяців тому +12

      Totally agree. Zizek is fascinating but very frustrating. Having a dialogue with him is so difficult, but Aaron rode with it.

    • @wylmtfi
      @wylmtfi 10 місяців тому +15

      1:30:10 Aaron's professionalism soared to a new level when he did not correct Zizek upon hearing that Iran is totally different from OTHER Arab countries.

    • @gerryenglish3122
      @gerryenglish3122 10 місяців тому +1

      Absolutely, the interviews with John Gray and Zizek were brilliantly managed. Norman Finkelstein next? Harare? Chomsky? There are always speakers with different views from across the political spectrum.

    • @peterwanjihia2372
      @peterwanjihia2372 10 місяців тому

      @@gerryenglish3122 I would really love to have Chomsky on ...

    • @pathfinderwellcare
      @pathfinderwellcare 10 місяців тому

      💯

  • @bulldogklaus47
    @bulldogklaus47 8 місяців тому +5

    I've never seen an interviewer both let Žižek go on his trademark wild tangents and steer the conversation in a clear trajectory at the same time. Bravo!

  • @theethanatorem
    @theethanatorem 10 місяців тому +5

    The multiplicity of agreement/disagreement/nitpicking is exactly what Zizek’s style of communication encourages. He would love this comment section

  • @desigrrl08
    @desigrrl08 10 місяців тому +7

    Spellbinding conversation. I am so happy i listened to it so closely. Thank you.

  • @ZecZli
    @ZecZli 8 місяців тому +18

    Yes, a fantastic conversation.... 🤓😀
    Greetings from another part of Ex-Yugoslavia.
    Pessimistic in theory, optimistic in Praxis, always. ❤️

  • @dsjwhite
    @dsjwhite 10 місяців тому +28

    Great interview, thank you both.

  • @RePrEsSiOn544
    @RePrEsSiOn544 10 місяців тому +28

    Thank you for this interview. Deeply thought-provoking, on the left we need to continue these sort of conversations.

  • @timharrap7500
    @timharrap7500 10 місяців тому +10

    MCC has a whole new meaning! Fabulous discussion threading together events in history. Definitely need Slavoj to be invited back for your new Novara History channel. 1968 and all that!

  • @mungiuri
    @mungiuri 10 місяців тому +6

    Despite the clickbaity title, this was an actual insightful conversation and it did not go into extreme point of views ... I found it quite useful.

  • @euchrideucr0w
    @euchrideucr0w 10 місяців тому +100

    The interview starts at 7:40 but the fun starts at 0:00

    • @jumolbureanu2415
      @jumolbureanu2415 Місяць тому

      the funeral of common sense starts at 0:00

    • @erdyerdnusss
      @erdyerdnusss Місяць тому +1

      ​@@jumolbureanu2415at the 0:00 of the universe it started

  • @rickyslaws
    @rickyslaws 10 місяців тому +9

    Great conversation. I listen to a lot of zizek and naturally that leads to hearing him say things multiple times. Aaron, well done for bringing more out of him with your questions and points of contention!

  • @ianforgie4297
    @ianforgie4297 10 місяців тому +89

    i love zizek - i disagree with him, then he convinces me, then he switches positions mid-interview and convinces me of that position too - so much fun. i'm not sure engaging with him ever makes me smarter, but it always makes me happier

    • @PazLeBon
      @PazLeBon 10 місяців тому +5

      hes a hypocrit playing both sides then?

    • @mattjk5299
      @mattjk5299 10 місяців тому +3

      ​​@@PazLeBonwhat are the sides?

    • @PazLeBon
      @PazLeBon 10 місяців тому +2

      @@mattjk5299 no idea, i was just being logical to the commentor and being faceous;)

    • @mattjk5299
      @mattjk5299 10 місяців тому +6

      @@PazLeBon I do that a lot online too :) carry on

    • @mattiafabbri8944
      @mattiafabbri8944 10 місяців тому +4

      He's a dialectician

  • @knokko10
    @knokko10 10 місяців тому +110

    I love it when he announces multiple conclusions.

  • @screechingcosby
    @screechingcosby 9 місяців тому +8

    Aaron is such a phenomenal interviewer, the interaction is always interesting and fun

  • @transsexual_computer_faery
    @transsexual_computer_faery 10 місяців тому +10

    5 minutes in and i'm already so excited yet fully exhausted from Slavoj energy
    "i dont take any drugs because i'm a real stalinist" LMAOOO WHAT

  • @watermage25
    @watermage25 10 місяців тому +6

    Love to hear from this Slavoj as i've recently discovered him through searching other topics.

  • @matthew_thefallen
    @matthew_thefallen 10 місяців тому +6

    So good to see him again! :) he's so addictive to listen to! thank you!!

  • @AddA_1985
    @AddA_1985 10 місяців тому +7

    Thank you for this great interview of Zizek. So nuanced and relevant.

  • @Arifulde19
    @Arifulde19 9 місяців тому +2

    I am not anti-Jews. I feel their pain too. I also recognize Israel as country. I am also a Muslim. We should find a way to live peacefully together.

    • @spongelias6674
      @spongelias6674 7 місяців тому +1

      As a Jew, I feel your pain as well. I agree with you

  • @cadaver_on_autopilot
    @cadaver_on_autopilot 10 місяців тому +70

    Hes becoming more and more joyous. He knows something we don't.

    • @diro5910
      @diro5910 10 місяців тому +5

      That speed is the light.

    • @pricenaseen
      @pricenaseen 10 місяців тому +6

      İnşallah

    • @grosbeak6130
      @grosbeak6130 10 місяців тому +3

      You're easily impressed, speak for yourself. 😆

    • @overdonenames
      @overdonenames 10 місяців тому +32

      Probably that the end is near.

    • @diro5910
      @diro5910 10 місяців тому +7

      @@overdonenames A C C E L E R A T E.
      FULL SPEED!

  • @Clockwork.Lemon854
    @Clockwork.Lemon854 10 місяців тому +42

    Downstream has been exceptional lately, at a critical point in our time. I must say this might be the greatest Zizek interview. His points about Robespierre, Bolivia, 1968 and the task of the left are fascinating. Also spot on about anti semitism being absorbed as part of the growing anti western coalition. Also loved the point made by Trotsky on Ukraine, will have to look that up.

  • @CrenJay
    @CrenJay 10 місяців тому +28

    Speaking of V for Vendetta, I would love to see a downstream with Alan Moore!!!

  • @JimenaPiano
    @JimenaPiano 3 місяці тому +1

    One of the best Zizek I've listened to lately. Thank you!

  • @MR_Money_Bags
    @MR_Money_Bags 10 місяців тому +16

    Aaron is a gem of a journalist I must say. Glad to have him in the mediasphere 🎉

  • @freedomplayer95
    @freedomplayer95 10 місяців тому +7

    this guy is on another level of knowledge. I really appreciate zizek for his honesty and even though his thoughts are all over the place i could understand his ideas

  • @jamesconnormacleod34
    @jamesconnormacleod34 10 місяців тому +82

    The unrealized potential of Palestinian oil and gas reserves. Oil and natural gas resources in the occupied Palestinian territory could generate hundreds of billions of dollars for development.
    Geologists and resources economists have confirmed that the occupied Palestinian territory (oPt) lies above sizeable reservoirs of oil and natural gas wealth, in Area C of the West Bank and the Mediterranean coast off the Gaza Strip, according to a recent UNCTAD study.
    Israel approves development of gas field off the coast of the Gaza Strip and expel all Palestinians from Gaza, recommends Israeli intelligence ministry document revealed and shows how the idea of population transfer to the Sinai is reaching official discussions.
    Europe wants gas from Israel due to that is why they do nothing and let genocide continue.

    • @pueblobeefcorn2070
      @pueblobeefcorn2070 10 місяців тому +16

      Israel is building the East Mediterranean Pipeline to transport the Gaza natural gas to Greece. They've been working on it for awhile.

    • @paulheydarian1281
      @paulheydarian1281 10 місяців тому +1

      The chosenites have a three thousand year-old claim on that land based on an invisible sky God's inchorent rantings.
      They will suck ALL the Oil & Gas out of that land and the Gazans & the Westbank Palestinians won't know what hit'em. 😅

    • @trishh.7675
      @trishh.7675 10 місяців тому

      Hmmmm! Good to see someone mentioning this. I don't know anything about the oil in that Region but I do know
      that in 2000 they detected 1.5 TRILLION cubic feet of natural Gas in the Gaza Strip. They now call it "Gaza Marine."
      As far as I know the discussions between Israel, Palestine, UK and others are still ongoing (or until recently)
      For me, this changes the whole, bloody, sordid, narrative. Makes me question If it's a Proxy war and If so, then I've lost faith in HUMANITY....to kill so inhumanely for GREED.
      I just think this information should be more publicaly discussed....it's such a Red flag.
      ( I was getting constantly blocked with this comment.....so let"s See now)

    • @pwneror
      @pwneror 10 місяців тому +1

      12+ trillion worth of hydrocarbons were found in Donbas and Crimea shortly before orcs invaded in 2014

    • @jonzu217
      @jonzu217 10 місяців тому +15

      all these reserves will keep the Military and Military Complex (USA) going for a few more years.

  • @japgolly
    @japgolly 10 місяців тому +27

    Love how they just fade out at the end cos Slavoj's never gonna stop talking 😂❤

    • @CraigKeidel
      @CraigKeidel 9 місяців тому +7

      Some say the interview is still going today

  • @TigreModerata
    @TigreModerata 10 місяців тому +7

    Well, so far Aaron has been the only interviewer I've seen that stands up to the tsunami of random thoughts, including plenty of BS that explodes out in the heat of the moment, that Slavoj spews... I'd have no objection to him interrupting more and keeping things in some kind of (self)coherent track. Even so, nice job! "Is that why you wrote 1000 pages on Hegel during the Arab Spring?" 🤣🤣 Simply the best😎❤️

  • @And_Justas_For_All
    @And_Justas_For_All 8 місяців тому +1

    Very insightful. When you hear this man talk, he reminds that the world is a complex place and we shouldn't be too eager to judge it.

  • @mdb3040
    @mdb3040 10 місяців тому +12

    Brilliant interview. Thx guys

  • @axismundi8
    @axismundi8 10 місяців тому +72

    Great discussion. So stimulating, nuanced and recognizing ambiguity.

    • @majdavojnikovic
      @majdavojnikovic 10 місяців тому +2

      It's not a discussion. It's an iterview.

    • @captainskylight942
      @captainskylight942 10 місяців тому +7

      It’s not an interview… it’s a rambling monologue designed to disguise the fact that he really has no more to offer than a monkey and a typewriter.

    • @Bubba_Grimm
      @Bubba_Grimm 10 місяців тому

      ​​@@captainskylight942that's the point. No one is really much more than this. Monkey. Typing. Sorry for the horror and absurdity of it all. Did you think you were going to transcend reality listening to someone from this gen?
      My guess as to what he would say.
      Not hard.

    • @Jomchen
      @Jomchen 10 місяців тому +5

      @@captainskylight942 Zizek is hard to follow if you're not paying attention, granted, but no more to offer than a monkey with a typewriter? Dismissing people doesn't actually prove anything, right or wrong. It says more about you than it does about him.

  • @ianalmond4733
    @ianalmond4733 10 місяців тому +12

    Two of my favourite people - should be good. It's certainly long overdue.

  • @DWS205
    @DWS205 7 місяців тому +2

    Zizek’s focus on protecting against antisemitism and disregarding the implications of global empire becoming even more anti-Arab.

  • @freeman37
    @freeman37 10 місяців тому +5

    Amazing interview. Zizek is trully a Mad Genius! 🤯

  • @Lukesmithbrfc
    @Lukesmithbrfc 10 місяців тому +22

    Zizek on Downstream, my gott!

  • @gerryenglish3122
    @gerryenglish3122 10 місяців тому +4

    Another amazing speaker. Slavonic was very clear and on topic.

  • @sotiristriantogiannis5737
    @sotiristriantogiannis5737 10 місяців тому +10

    It was like a light breeze pushed the window open …..and a while later a gust of fresh air came through and was welcomed…..Zizek at his best.
    Keep it up guys , you are entering the debate just in time , good luck.

  • @Headcaser
    @Headcaser 6 місяців тому +3

    37:06 "...millions of people - first women, then ordinary people..." is the funniest gaff i have ever heard. gotta love Slavoj

  • @the_one_eyed_man_is_cursed
    @the_one_eyed_man_is_cursed 10 місяців тому +4

    Starting to come around to Aaron. Good interview. Packed with banter, ramble, historic detail and astute dot-joining.

  • @jmer9126
    @jmer9126 10 місяців тому +7

    This is so much fun to listen to. Thank you!

  • @davidhull9510
    @davidhull9510 10 місяців тому +15

    He's so sweet somehow

    • @JD1234XAD-ck8rq
      @JD1234XAD-ck8rq 10 місяців тому +4

      supporting imperialism and colonialism like zizek does is not sweet. (NATO, Israel)...

  • @INFP5w4
    @INFP5w4 10 місяців тому +4

    ❤ Novara Media is doing so much good right now.

  • @DamenJoost
    @DamenJoost 10 місяців тому +4

    Rent never went away. Michael Hudson's latest books are really helpful to understand this. They might have their flaws but he deserves to be read.

  • @littlesigh
    @littlesigh 8 місяців тому +2

    As commenters have said… wow.. this is a great interview on both sides, thanks for creating!

  • @haroldnicolas4740
    @haroldnicolas4740 10 місяців тому +6

    Slavoj : Is the mic ok here ?
    Staff : You can't stand in the same place for two seconds anyway, Slavoj...
    🤣🤣

  • @debora831000
    @debora831000 10 місяців тому +4

    Yes!!! Finally Zizek on Novara.

  • @realAgitated
    @realAgitated 10 місяців тому +99

    I want to be a moderately Conservative Communist like Slavoj Zizek. He convinced me.

    • @wariofat
      @wariofat 10 місяців тому +15

      Welcome, comrade.

    • @riveraharper8166
      @riveraharper8166 10 місяців тому

      He's -->Marxist

    • @NiskaMagnusson
      @NiskaMagnusson 10 місяців тому +7

      if communism was going to result in anything other than authoritarianism it'd have got there by now in my humble opinion. I'm more Libertarian for the same reason I think communism appeals to most people

    • @NagoyaHouseHead
      @NagoyaHouseHead 10 місяців тому

      @@NiskaMagnusson Libertarianism has never worked anywhere and never will because it is a selfish childish fantasy

    • @realAgitated
      @realAgitated 10 місяців тому +2

      @@NiskaMagnusson I was a kid when communism was around so I feel I didn't have a fair chance to judge it myself as I would now that I am older. I wanted to have my own opinion about it and now yeah, it maybe too late, but I still find it fascinating.

  • @LARSENALmtl
    @LARSENALmtl 10 місяців тому +3

    Stellar interview. Very interersting. Thank you.

  • @josephkemler4488
    @josephkemler4488 8 місяців тому +2

    It's like that red-wine fueled conversation at 4 in the morning back in the 80's...❤

  • @technologic21
    @technologic21 10 місяців тому +5

    I too, am a moderately conservative communist, thanks for walking us through it all Žižek!

    • @PazLeBon
      @PazLeBon 10 місяців тому +2

      so basiccally a faschst then

    • @Damesanglante
      @Damesanglante 9 місяців тому +1

      Using words you don't understand to slander people you don't know online is kinda pathetic.

  • @mustlebart
    @mustlebart 10 місяців тому +29

    zizek casually ignoring us sanctions on cuban then presenting his cuba visit as if cubans are poor by choice and then presenting their poverty as sign of leftist moral superiority blows my mind

    • @Hijfblog
      @Hijfblog 10 місяців тому +7

      That's not what he said at all...

    • @HowardPLovecraft4ever
      @HowardPLovecraft4ever 10 місяців тому +3

      The Cuba question is easily refuted with the example of Taiwan, a capitalist country blocked by China, which is rich.

    • @AustinMonteavaro
      @AustinMonteavaro 10 місяців тому +3

      @@HowardPLovecraft4ever Actually China trades a lot with Taiwan. Or at least it had for a long time, recent politics have put a massive dent in that relationship that started in the 80s. That point isn't necessarily refuted however, when you consider the fact that both Taiwan and Hong Kong were wealthier than mainland China while not trading with them for decades. What's more if the point is that the only way for a country like Cuba or Venezuela to be rich is through access to capitalist markets and resources you really have to ask yourself is a socialist command economy really a justifiable economic model. The answer could of course be yes, morally it is justifiable, even if it doesn't provide the same material quality of life as so called capitalist economies. Indeed many on the right would also say that capitalism's and communism's inherent materialism makes the both deeply immoral systems and therefore not sufficient for human flourishing. If not everything that maximizes profit is ethical or morally good then certainly it is possible that so called "capitalism" is also immoral even if it provides substantial economic benefits over Marxist ideations. I guess the greatest issue is what these kinds of political economies claim to want to do and what they do. It seems difficult for me to discern the compelling difference between true socialist economies and their "free market" counter parts save worse administration and lower average quality of life, but the devil is in the details to be sure.

    • @MrRrusiii
      @MrRrusiii 10 місяців тому +1

      I'm sorry but what else are you supposed to do but to ignore it? If Diaz returned to Castro's detente policy the embargo would end; if Cuba had not invited the USSR to station nuclear missiles, none of it would have happened. To point at the sanctions is still admitting to Cuba's failure.

    • @AustinMonteavaro
      @AustinMonteavaro 10 місяців тому +1

      @@MrRrusiii That would require admitting fault in a Marxist government's geo-political strategy as opposed to foisting the blame on a third party which they already were sworn rivals with. Like "my enemy is refusing to trade with me so it's ok my system is struggling." Maybe don't make enemies with your largest trade partner.

  • @CM-xi1nh
    @CM-xi1nh 10 місяців тому +3

    Very very good closed caption read -- thank you for posting!

  • @mikeullyett
    @mikeullyett 6 місяців тому +1

    From South Africa here. True comments on our politics.

  • @maxonmendel5757
    @maxonmendel5757 10 місяців тому +2

    this was a good watch. i put it on cause i love zizek but im subbing cause what a great interviewer!

  • @edwardsexby3402
    @edwardsexby3402 10 місяців тому +4

    Don't know about anyone else, but I SO want to go for a few pints with Zizek! Another great episode of Downstream - cheers!

    • @M27UNDERGROUND
      @M27UNDERGROUND 9 місяців тому +2

      Sorry..he doesn't drink in public or with strangers as he clearly stated in the first 3 minutes

    • @weshouldtakeacid2848
      @weshouldtakeacid2848 6 місяців тому

      Then zizek will get some fuckin fruit juice or something

  • @EamonCoyle
    @EamonCoyle 10 місяців тому +29

    Ironic that the world is so afraid of singularity when on every possible level it couldn't be more divided !!

    • @michaelandrews4783
      @michaelandrews4783 10 місяців тому

      The rich are afraid the singularity will take away thier underserved privilage, usually obtained by keeping others poor.

  • @adamuadamu5081
    @adamuadamu5081 10 місяців тому +8

    I love this guy. He's such an easygoing mad man, has so many thoughts I've never explored, even though I disagree with many (possibly most) - It would be a genuine pleasure to sit down and have a talk.

  • @jaxobophiuchi676
    @jaxobophiuchi676 6 місяців тому

    only 10 min in and this is the best Zizek interview I’ve ever seen…the best interviewers interrupt with impunity…& you really got him randy….thanks

  • @leeyris
    @leeyris 5 місяців тому +1

    UA-cam algorithm making me listen to a one hour Zizek lecture overlapped with female aramaic christian chants in the bg is peak internet experience and i'm loving it

  • @BIGDO13
    @BIGDO13 10 місяців тому +9

    Žižek is so funny and so smart.. always a good listen…

    • @marcux83
      @marcux83 10 місяців тому

      always a little difficult listed 😂but generally agreed 😊

  • @phillgornall2296
    @phillgornall2296 10 місяців тому +55

    “He’s written three books…”
    (What?, that doesn’t sound right)
    “… this year.”
    (There we go, that makes sense.)

    • @drhintjens4915
      @drhintjens4915 8 місяців тому

      No he's written three books THIS YEAR said the interviewer.

    • @zabdas83
      @zabdas83 7 місяців тому

      What like he's been 'wheeled' out on stage by the 'gatekeepers' on purpose at this stage in the play?

  • @conorknapp6764
    @conorknapp6764 10 місяців тому +36

    You have now both introduced me to a great mind (John Gray) and conducted a fantastic interview with a modern intellectual giant like Zizek, this is quickly becoming my new favourite channel!

    • @PazLeBon
      @PazLeBon 10 місяців тому +1

      lmao, these things certainly relative

    • @robertbrandywine
      @robertbrandywine 10 місяців тому +1

      John Gray didn't strike me as a great mind.

    • @conorknapp6764
      @conorknapp6764 10 місяців тому +2

      @@robertbrandywine really, any particular reason why? I found his views on the crisis of liberal values & democracy straining under capitalism refreshing, if not well argued and poignant, when compared to the many idealistic accounts of globalisation that are starting to curdle given recent events. Many of his takes do seem quite traditionally conservative and leaning pessimistic at times so I can understand why he wouldn’t be everybody’s cup of tea though.

    • @robertbrandywine
      @robertbrandywine 10 місяців тому

      Just a few things. He's wrong about Ukraine and accepts the Ukrainian propaganda. Wrong about Russia having any designs on the Baltic states. China hasn't expanded into Latin America or Africa, or anywhere else. He thinks Liberal Democracy is threatened by populism when actually populism is true democracy. He's wrong about anti-semitism, since I don't believe being anti-Israel is anti-semitism. He thinks Trump might be re-elected. I do agree with him that HS2 should be canceled. I also found enlightening his idea that under Liberalism the government can't do anything. @@conorknapp6764

  • @pathfinderwellcare
    @pathfinderwellcare 10 місяців тому +8

    This philosopher can never stop talking. 😂 Whew. The host did a wonderful job managing the intense energy! First time watching this channel. It was very interesting. I will subscribe.

  • @johnperniciaro785
    @johnperniciaro785 10 місяців тому +4

    I am fortunate to have married into a Russian family and culture. This has been a great gift from fate to me and now our children. We know and live both sides of these worlds with friends & family living in Russia + the immigrant community here in USA, as well as knowing people from all over the former Soviet Union. One thing is for certain--- almost nobody in the West knows anything true and real about Russia, what is beautiful about that place and what is not, or for that matter how people really lived in CCCP.

    • @l.w.paradis2108
      @l.w.paradis2108 10 місяців тому

      Please tell us more. 😊

    • @glib4233
      @glib4233 10 місяців тому

      Russian superiority is a contributing factor in their aggression and atrocities so maybe now is not the best time for this true and real nonsense.

    • @Vijzilla
      @Vijzilla 9 місяців тому

      Ой как хорошо, что я прочитал такой комментарий, а то прям совсем страшно стало... Про СССР это вообще отдельная история! Его часто используют на Западе как страшилка, но они даже не представляют, насколько у них сегодня в каких-то вопросах ХУЖЕ ЧЕМ БЫЛО В РЕАЛЬНОМ СССР!!!!

  • @Esther-Pesta
    @Esther-Pesta 10 місяців тому +9

    Fantastic interview. Thanks NM for having intellectual and informative conversations with your guests, rather than than snapping short Q&A into soundbites, like Sky, BBC et all ❤

  • @neiluk1470
    @neiluk1470 10 місяців тому +10

    I couldn't understand why Slavoj said he disagreed with Varoufakis ideas but just repeated them with different terms.

    • @georgesos
      @georgesos 10 місяців тому +5

      Usual bs by zizek.

    • @tankgirling
      @tankgirling 10 місяців тому

      Philosopher things. He's such a hegelian lmao! /jk

    • @Leo-ie3eb
      @Leo-ie3eb 10 місяців тому +4

      That‘s what I thought as well. I was waiting for the disagreement that never occurred - no wonder I thought, Janis‘ analysis is brillant regarding the accumulation of capital by online service platforms like Alphabet/Amazon asf. and describing it as „rent“.

  • @parvanehvar
    @parvanehvar 10 місяців тому +11

    Please correct mr.Zizek that Iranians are Persians and not another Arab state!

  • @pobblebonk3
    @pobblebonk3 10 місяців тому +2

    Excellent interview. So sweeping, intelligent, entertaining. In the horrors of our times, good thinking is what keeps me going. Thank you from Australia. Have decided to donate regularly

  • @ash9788
    @ash9788 10 місяців тому +3

    Good chemistry.
    Keep on the good work. ❤

  • @shubbagin49
    @shubbagin49 10 місяців тому +7

    What a character, well done Aaron.