I don’t let myself get worked up with drivers like that, just go through the hot pit lane and let the 2 track workers time you back onto the track. Takes about a minute max and you’ll be done dealing with the douchebag driving.
This was years ago but the part you don't see in the video is me doing exactly that. I ended up catching back up to the Corvette in the same session even pitting. I only compete in Time Attack now or wheel to wheel endurance racing
Trackdays are primarily for challenging yourself and your car, not other drivers and theirs. If you want to challenge other drivers at trackdays challenge them on the stopwatch, not at wheel to wheel racing, especially if you're this much slower through corners lol
I know this videos old but I’ve been there. It’s corvettes usually, people who have a lot of power but not a lot of skill. If you can’t get a good pass on them honestly best thing to do is just back off or get off track for a second and hop back on when there’s a gap. We’re all out there to have fun and the best thing to do is avoid conflict and deescalate things. Cheers!
Oh I totally get it. I didn't put in the video but I did do a drive through in the pits and still caught him in the same session!! Oh well, I compete now, so this kind of traffic usually doesn't exist
@@RSXDavo307 for sure. HPDE sessions can be garbage. Time trials and race group can be a lot better for traffic especially because you’re dealing with experienced drivers who know proper track etiquette. I just watched your Daytona video. You got some fucking skill man! Honda family 🙏
@@d1zguy864 good! You’re one of the corvette drivers who can actually drive and doesn’t rely on their power. It’s usually the lower level HPDE groups are filled with “horsepower heroes” but there are still high powered vehicles with very capable drivers. Cheers!
It shouldn't require any driving skill to pay attention in the drivers' meeting. Every HPDE drivers' meeting I've ever been to has addressed this crap.
The guy who gives a point-by is driving the silver Corvette and is never seen again. Guy driving the red Corvette is in the sideview mirror during that part of the video, and is the one seen the rest of the video.
i think its more the honda driver has some anger problems.everyones there to have fun your faster in the corners and slow as shit on the strights.he repassed you so he was infact quicker in some sections than you. also were you in a beginers class becouse you seem much quicker in the corners than ever other car on the track if so that would make it your foult
@@shradke Agreed, this guy is an accident waiting to happen. Leave egos at home. This was an embarrassment to the purpose of HPDE's. At the end of the day, there are no trophies or money to be gained. This is my opinion from being at many HPDE's as an instructor for various clubs. If one of my students did this, I would remove him from the track.
You look quick and these chaps look a lot less experienced. Getting wound up will never make you faster, improve your race craft or make these guys move out of the way any quicker. It's annoying what they're doing but trying to stay calm and collective and either stay close so they move, go to pits or hang back and you will have a much more enjoyable day out on track.
Lol this reminds me of when I went go karting at 220lb trying to get around a 130lb drivers that hold me up in the corners but dust me on the straight.
I’ve posted a lot of examples like this too. It is sooo annoying. Another one is when you get a point to pass and they don’t let off the gas so you can get by. The often get mad because they don’t think you are trying. Well just because my car has less HP doesn’t mean I am not lapping the track faster. You know fast Miata drivers must live this nightmare often. Anyway after a lap I usually go into hot pit, report them, then when I am back on track I’m far enough away from them. But - sometimes I catch back up and have to do it all again.
Doesn’t HPDE stand for High Performance Drivers Education. Sounds like a learning event. If you want to test your car setup that’s probably not the ideal situation. But yes, someone that points you by then overtakes is a real ass wipe.
High Per Driving EVENT. Someone who has been promoted into Group 4 is supposed to have demonstrated enough skill such that this nonsense doesn't happen.
This reminds me of being behind most Harleys/cruisers on a public curvy road. Mash the throttle on straights so you can't safely pass, then baby it through the corners. I've never driven on a track, but I hope my first couple times out I learn the rules of the road and how to be a courteous slow driver :) Even I could tell though that the Corvette was doing you dirty lol. Gets in front of you just to overbrake and ruin your line.
You struck me as a little over-emotional. Just enter the hot pits if you’re frustrated enough to flip another driver off for using their hp difference on the straights. It’s your responsibility to make a safe pass, not theirs.
different cars, despite their vast horsepower differences, need to be able to coexist on the track. some cars are inherently better than others in certain parts of the track. by giving a driver a point by, you’re acknowledging that they’re faster than you. this implies that you respect their pace and are letting them by so you both can get on with your day. if the corvette lets him by, he’s just going to catch right up with him again. that’s just how it is unfortunately. however, if he lets the corvette by, he’ll just get caught by him again. it’s truly a lose-lose situation; neither driver will end up happy from this scenario.
At most track day events, it is the responsibility of the car giving the point by to also back out of the throttle a bit to let the other car go by. It is not 100% the responsibility of the car getting the point by to make the pass, it is a give and take.
You got it wrong there ponyboy It's the job of the car in front of you to give you a point by once the point by is giving it your job to make sure you make it safe not their job to read overtake you
One track day was enough for me to realize that autocross is fun and sims are fun. High speed driving on the track just isn't my thing. But it took actually doing it to find out
In this video (like most complaining) slow, very low torque car that handles very well get's mad at lesser experienced drivers with cars that are clearly faster just not driven to their full extent. Everyone is always shitting on how they are so fast in their 150ft/lb of torque cars and can't understand why a guy isn't as willing to go crazy in the corners with a car with may more power. This ultimately leads to the butthurt of this video where the realization that your car just doesn't have the engine power to overtake a less experienced driver.
You obviously aren't familiar with HPDE etiquette. If you get caught on the track, you're obviously slower overall, despite you having more power. It works out better for BOTH parties if the slower one lets the faster one by, and if necessary because of the faster one's lower power, give him a few turns to put some separation distance between you. In this way, BOTH of you get to concentrate on your laps without interference. In fact most organizations will discuss this during a drivers' meeting, and many will black flag you for doing what that Vette and that Seven did. Repeated offenses may even get you kicked out of the event. If a stock Miata catches me, I let him by and I do NOT just blow back past him on the first available straight. I ease up until he gets a few corners to leave me behind. If I didn't do this, I would rightfully be ashamed of myself. An HPDE is not a race.
@@xtnuser5338 Yup. Organizer for my local HPDE says every driver's meeting "Just because you're in the faster car, it doesn't make you the faster driver. If you have someone on your ass around a corner, he's faster than you and you need to let him by."
90’s Honda guys too. My car is quicker than people expect which seems to make them more upset. Especially if they made negative comments publicly about my car. “Oh that junky hatchback? The one you couldn’t pull away from? Yeah that’s mine.”
must be frustrating being a faster driver in a slower car. Koodos to your driving abilities! Always great to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow. But no need to get upset at slower drivers. This is HPDE and everyone drives at their comfortable pace. But giving middle fingers, trying to pass without point bys and intimidating other drivers from behind has no place at an HPDE event. If you were to get involved in a crash with any of the slower cars, you would be 100% at fault! If you have problems with any of the drivers on track, bring it up to event organizers. I hope by now you would have learned being patient and respectful of your fellow drivers on track. We are all out there to be safe, have fun and enjoy our time.
Going to an HPDE event and getting all pissed off at the other drivers is pretty bad form. I know it can be frustrating (and yes, the Vette driver was being...difficult), but it is strictly a fun type event with drivers and cars of all different speed levels. I see guys in their 70s at these things, driving $200,000 cars slower than I would drive on my way to the market, and on the other spectrum practicing racing drivers whom I'm sure I have held up on occasion. If it is too slow or frustrating for you, take the next step up to time attack or some other type of racing. I understand the frustration, but if you are going to flip the bird at other drivers who paid their money just like you did, just because you don't like how they drive, IMO you should be kicked out. It isn't supposed to be that kind of event.
This was years ago! And I currently compete in time attack as one of the fastest drivers for the class in the country. Other drivers not knowing the HPDE track rules is the issue. But I appreciate your input!
I was thinking pretty much the same thing while watching this the guys pissed at everyone around him seems like well he needs to move up because hpde the damn e stands for education fella as in not pro drivers yet as in newbies. my first time ever ever in hpde one first time on a track in my GT500 the download afterward all the Miata drivers were pissed at me and I'm like God damn my first time ever in HPDE1 Jesus fucking Christ
@John Shaft, really well said. This guy drives like his dad owns the track. I don’t care if it was years ago, or you’re now the fastest guy in your state, you need to learn how to keep your emotion in check. Your decisions making were piss poor, which leads to your driving being horrible. Yes you can be fast, and still be a horrible fast driver.
@@ycharlie5993 Thanks. I sort of wrote OP off when he replied with the "as one of the fastest drivers for the class in the country" comment. He clearly doesn't get it....no one gives a ^%$# how fast he is. HPDE is not a competition...it's OK if experienced guys get a little competitive, and long as they keep the rules in mind, act with restraint, and treat other drivers of all abilities with respect. I would bet OP is a road rager driving to the market as well.
@@johnshaft5613 yup I bet you this guy has more than road rage issues going on, combined with an ego of the size of Alaska. HPDE is supposed to be enjoyable, and not treated as a Saturday F1 qualifier event “I’m trying to put it on pole, so get out the way.” This video should be renamed “how to be a d!ck while in HPDE.”
yes. im watching all your videos. man. seems like you and I have the same problem. high hp cars acting all big and mighty on the straightways but slow as fuck in the corners
Can tell your skill has outgrown the power of the S2K, the slow drivers should be driving your lower HP car and you should be driving something like a Porsche Turbo or Corvette, your skill would really push the best out of them.
Great video Fk that, Im gonna pass on turns if he does that to me. If you catch someone on the corners they're supposed to let you pass on the straight away 💯
Wow. That was bad. I hope you had a chat with the lead instructor or black flag so they could remind that driver of the point by or to check his mirrors better if this was a DE.
In IL and WI, we have 3 classes, novice, intermediate, and advanced. I didn't know there was also a dipsh#$ class too!! Does your car have auto blip or is built in to the tune??
Lmfao. This was HPDE4 and some clips from HPDE3. I bounced around that day testing the new motor build. And no auto blip or anything. Car is controlled specifically by the 3 pedals and shifter. No special tune magic or anything (I wish it did though lol)
Everyone starts somewhere, we were all once shitty drivers. That being said when i see the same car doing the same shit even 6months later i start to wonder what their purpose is 😂
He caught them. That means he's faster overall around the track as an entire unit. And in an HPDE, it means you give the point by and even lift off throttle if you have to let the overall faster guy past you.
Seriously! I also do come up on them super quickly so they must think my car is also fast in a straight line. It's not! You're just slow in the corners lol
Dude, just chill. Either drop in the hot pit, or drive a car with higher HP’s. You can’t expect every Vette owner to know how to drive. Matter of fact, expecting a Vette owner to just be some rich lawyer or doctor that knows literally nothing about racing or track day etiquette is more times than not the correct expectation.
Holy shit that was infuriating to watch. Good driving man. I just hot pit and wait it out. All power and no skill with these people. It’s dangerous and they should honestly be dropped to a class
You know he's just as annoyed with you crawling down the straights as you are with his slow cornering. Different cars different agendas. Pull off and get away.
Dont get emotional The best drivers in the world have no emotion in these situations Emotions will distract you Its an hdpe. Hit the brakes and find an open slot.
Bro, it’s obvious you’re mad because your car is slow on the straightaways and about the only time you caught up to him was two corners. relax Mario Andretti it’s not like you’re racing the Indy 500!!!!
What did the car do at 4:10? I am trying to look for the point bys but difficult to see since it's so fast paced..I have my first hpde Sat so I am trying to learn as much as I can. Thanks!
He pointed me by, let me get along side of him and then he went full throttle (his v8 and 1600lbs against my 4 cylinder and at the time 2900lbs). No point in doing that!!
@@MandyReyesDesigns actually he DID give me the point by. Then when I got along side he smashed the gas again. And his MUCH faster car just walked me on the straights and he just parked it in the corners. Happy to answer all your questions and good luck on your first HPDE!! (it's spirals out of control quick. I promise you'll love it)
@@MandyReyesDesigns not a dumb question! He should have waited until I got by him. I was so much faster in the corners he would have never seen me again (he was running about 5 to 7 seconds slower a lap than I)
@@carlj130 , that was the last weekend I spent trying to have fun in HPDE 3/4. Its strictly a TT car now. But I'm quite comfortable on track and like watching and pushing other drivers. If they're unsafe I let officials know
@@RSXDavo307 I'm a club racer and yeah track days can be frustrating but you can't beat the value for laps per $. Can't get frustrated though... if I were you and you're trying to use track days like a test I'd ignore the traffic and focus on the optimal sectors on race Chrono...that way if you get traffic back it up and attack next sector. Then at the end of the day the optimal time is really a measure of how much you learnt or improved and it's still fun. I think we've all been stuck behind a Corvette at some point 😆
@@carlj130 I hear you. I only drive in time trial now for competition but occasional ill go out and watch the HPDE groups to check on them (or if other friends are still at those levels I go out to drive with them). Its the poor driving skills that drive me crazy. They should be bumped back down a level or two before they hurt someone or themselves!
Ok, so explain to me why you keep throwing your hands up here. I’m not a novice. Would consider myself intermediate and it looks like you are driving a good line. Obviously the guy in the corvette is all over the place but when you are on back/front straight your’e flipping the bird at him and the bug eyed sprite when they are pulling away from you. Are you expecting them to give you a point by because you eat them up off the turn?
Always appreciate questions. This was 3 years ago actually. That Corvette was a C7 Z06 on Hoosiers. Should run 2:12s around Sebring yet it was holding me up who at the time, ran 2:28.5s. I ended up pitting and giving him a half a lap and I still caught him by the end of the session. If he had let me get through without blocking me, he never would have seen me again. I also went out in DE4 again last week at Sebring. Unfortunately I'm blown away at the lack of speed in that group. Check out that video (was just warming the car up and not pushing yet either)
@@RSXDavo307 I get that you are a better driver but you were flipping the guy off as he was pulling away from you? Also the little bug eyed car too. The Z06 can only carry the same speed that your 2k can in the turn yet you get mad for him “blocking” you. Once again Im curious did you expect a point by when they’re pulling away?
@@brianwilkins5673 Yes, the rules/etiquette of HPDE is that if somebody catches you, they are faster than you, and you should point them by, and then if necessary due to their lower power, you should ease off for a bit to give them space. After a couple more turns they will leave you behind. Then BOTH parties get to concentrate on their lap without hindrance.
@@brianwilkins5673 I'm a rookie in the sense that I've never raced professionally. But I'm not a rookie in the sense that I became an HPDE instructor in 2010. You asked, "Are you expecting them to give you a point by because you eat them up off the turn?" He expects them to give him a point by because he is running faster laps overall, despite their ability to outrun him in the straights. It's pretty standard HPDE etiquette that if someone catches up to you, they're faster, and so you let them by and DON'T drag race them down the straight. Those guys were rookies, as is evidenced by their lines AND their lack of etiquette. If you think they did nothing wrong, YOU'RE a rookie too.
Ya, this both HPDE3 and HPDE4 (different point by rules) I go out in the DE groups sometimes to check on the drivers out there. Unfortunately it's not always sunshine and rainbows
lol s2k's are slow i'd gap it in my Vette, there's way too many vette "racers" driving too much car and unable to use it all on the courses ALWAYS not be though i'd slide that thing sideways at 130mph if i had to, also nobody wants to be behind a turd of a miata or s2k just not fast enough in straights lol,
Your right some people need horsepower to make up for their lack of skill. It's does help make up time on the straights. But then when you you don't have to gumption to hold speed in the turns .. probably best to take yourself to a local drag strip and brag about power.
Very un classy video and somebody who knows racing would know. If u want something legit we’ll pay more money and get into a legit league. It’s part of the game corvette wasn’t that bad u throwing ur hands up like that and not staying calm is a pure example of no self control. A good driver doesn’t get mad like that. That’s a bigger track ur not making enough juice to hang man, he was easily passing u, anyone would do that. This is racing, he doesn’t have to open up for u that easily nor does he have to let u pass on the straights or give up his extra power to let u stay ahead on straights.
Its not like he did aything unsafe and the other driver clearly isnt looking and going to see it. He should not be in the same group and did pit so I feel for him. Its the miata issue you can catch people in corners but get dusted on straights
You clearly have no idea what the hell you're talking about and you're one of those people that probably just sells horsepowers the answer for everything. Your response is absolutely ridiculous to me
Right?! I drove a C7 Z06 2 weekends ago at Sebring. Amazing what happens when you have another 325whp under your right foot... no idea how a C7 on slicks can be slower than my s2000 (which only ran 28s the weekend this video was taken)
@@RollingRoadEFI if they don't even understand the concept of a racing line then they should be watching videos and getting tuition, not just going out on track and giving it a go by them selves. Fast cars make slow drivers, people should start out in something slow and learn proper car control on the limit before they go out in their corvettes or whatever else. Go learn to drive a kart on the limit and learn racing lines that way.
@@stefanroseEP3 I don’t disagree. I will add that there are novice groups at track days for a reason. Just because you have a faster car doesn’t mean you belong in a faster group.
@@RollingRoadEFI yeah or that, never thought of that but yeah there are a few regular novice sessions, tuition should be mandatory on those too imo. Slow drivers on track are downright dangerous in most instances. They tend to be unpredictable too when they don't know where they're going or what their positioning should be.
@@stefanroseEP3 Happened to me a lot karting as a young boy. Dads would pick a fight with me because I bumped their son multiple times…. without taking into consideration the unexpected, unnecessary, and erratic braking. If I’m 3” from your bumper and you go 100% brakes for no reason you’re going to get hit and that isn’t my fault lol.
@@RollingRoadEFI I'll give some of them the benefit of the doubt, even though I don't really think these drivers deserve it in this case. SOMETIMES such behavior isn't because the driver is disrespectful. It's simply because they are new and have sensory overload and tunnel vision. They just are so mentally busy that they forget to check their mirrors and listen to sounds. Their brains are tuning out everything except the piece of concrete right in front of them. MOST of them will get more competent/comfortable with a bit of time, and will not act like that anymore. But in THIS particular case I think they were being dicks.
You lost my sympathy when you started making hand jesters and flipping people off yourself. Take your frustration to the pits and cool down. Are there less skilled drivers on the track with perhaps faster cars, probably. Are they frustrating, yes. But, your conduct was very unprofessional, especially if you claim that you are the more experienced and seasoned driver.
You act as if that was beginner HPDE... It's wasn't it's is the advanced group. Usually people like that would be reported for poor driving and etiquette... And bumper down a class or two
I don’t let myself get worked up with drivers like that, just go through the hot pit lane and let the 2 track workers time you back onto the track. Takes about a minute max and you’ll be done dealing with the douchebag driving.
This was years ago but the part you don't see in the video is me doing exactly that. I ended up catching back up to the Corvette in the same session even pitting. I only compete in Time Attack now or wheel to wheel endurance racing
@@RSXDavo307 you need to learn enjoying the challenge. they gave you chance to challenge. don't get pissed if no one is blocking you.
Trackdays are primarily for challenging yourself and your car, not other drivers and theirs. If you want to challenge other drivers at trackdays challenge them on the stopwatch, not at wheel to wheel racing, especially if you're this much slower through corners lol
I know this videos old but I’ve been there. It’s corvettes usually, people who have a lot of power but not a lot of skill. If you can’t get a good pass on them honestly best thing to do is just back off or get off track for a second and hop back on when there’s a gap. We’re all out there to have fun and the best thing to do is avoid conflict and deescalate things. Cheers!
Oh I totally get it. I didn't put in the video but I did do a drive through in the pits and still caught him in the same session!! Oh well, I compete now, so this kind of traffic usually doesn't exist
@@RSXDavo307 for sure. HPDE sessions can be garbage. Time trials and race group can be a lot better for traffic especially because you’re dealing with experienced drivers who know proper track etiquette. I just watched your Daytona video. You got some fucking skill man! Honda family 🙏
driving my vette there hasn't been a single S2k or miata that has been able to pass me...
@@d1zguy864 good! You’re one of the corvette drivers who can actually drive and doesn’t rely on their power. It’s usually the lower level HPDE groups are filled with “horsepower heroes” but there are still high powered vehicles with very capable drivers. Cheers!
It shouldn't require any driving skill to pay attention in the drivers' meeting. Every HPDE drivers' meeting I've ever been to has addressed this crap.
Gotta love a guy who gives a point-by then floors it, lol. Nice driving BTW!!
Thanks! Classic horsepower hero. More power than driving skills 😑
The guy who gives a point-by is driving the silver Corvette and is never seen again. Guy driving the red Corvette is in the sideview mirror during that part of the video, and is the one seen the rest of the video.
HPDE is a team sport. All of us must to be cool, even if we feel hard done by, for whatever reason. Drive safe.
When the finger came out I died. 😆 Thank you for uploading this so we can learn to not be that guy.
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I agree lol. These drivers were horrible
i think its more the honda driver has some anger problems.everyones there to have fun your faster in the corners and slow as shit on the strights.he repassed you so he was infact quicker in some sections than you. also were you in a beginers class becouse you seem much quicker in the corners than ever other car on the track if so that would make it your foult
@@shradke Agreed, this guy is an accident waiting to happen. Leave egos at home. This was an embarrassment to the purpose of HPDE's. At the end of the day, there are no trophies or money to be gained. This is my opinion from being at many HPDE's as an instructor for various clubs. If one of my students did this, I would remove him from the track.
You look quick and these chaps look a lot less experienced. Getting wound up will never make you faster, improve your race craft or make these guys move out of the way any quicker. It's annoying what they're doing but trying to stay calm and collective and either stay close so they move, go to pits or hang back and you will have a much more enjoyable day out on track.
Lol this reminds me of when I went go karting at 220lb trying to get around a 130lb drivers that hold me up in the corners but dust me on the straight.
Thats what I am! 215lbs + gear. I'd love to kart more but being bigger and taller guy is such a handicap lol
@@RSXDavo307 imagine me, I’m 280. Your one hell of a driver tho.
I’ve posted a lot of examples like this too. It is sooo annoying. Another one is when you get a point to pass and they don’t let off the gas so you can get by. The often get mad because they don’t think you are trying. Well just because my car has less HP doesn’t mean I am not lapping the track faster. You know fast Miata drivers must live this nightmare often. Anyway after a lap I usually go into hot pit, report them, then when I am back on track I’m far enough away from them. But - sometimes I catch back up and have to do it all again.
Sold car and went to anger management, all better now.
When you have a problem with EVERY driver on the track it tends to be you are the problem lol....
Doesn’t HPDE stand for High Performance Drivers Education. Sounds like a learning event. If you want to test your car setup that’s probably not the ideal situation. But yes, someone that points you by then overtakes is a real ass wipe.
High Per Driving EVENT. Someone who has been promoted into Group 4 is supposed to have demonstrated enough skill such that this nonsense doesn't happen.
Typically there's time trial cars mixed in too. Nothing worse than trying to put in a lap when some jerk is dive bombing you.
This reminds me of being behind most Harleys/cruisers on a public curvy road. Mash the throttle on straights so you can't safely pass, then baby it through the corners.
I've never driven on a track, but I hope my first couple times out I learn the rules of the road and how to be a courteous slow driver :) Even I could tell though that the Corvette was doing you dirty lol. Gets in front of you just to overbrake and ruin your line.
You struck me as a little over-emotional. Just enter the hot pits if you’re frustrated enough to flip another driver off for using their hp difference on the straights. It’s your responsibility to make a safe pass, not theirs.
different cars, despite their vast horsepower differences, need to be able to coexist on the track. some cars are inherently better than others in certain parts of the track. by giving a driver a point by, you’re acknowledging that they’re faster than you. this implies that you respect their pace and are letting them by so you both can get on with your day. if the corvette lets him by, he’s just going to catch right up with him again. that’s just how it is unfortunately. however, if he lets the corvette by, he’ll just get caught by him again. it’s truly a lose-lose situation; neither driver will end up happy from this scenario.
At most track day events, it is the responsibility of the car giving the point by to also back out of the throttle a bit to let the other car go by. It is not 100% the responsibility of the car getting the point by to make the pass, it is a give and take.
You got it wrong there ponyboy It's the job of the car in front of you to give you a point by once the point by is giving it your job to make sure you make it safe not their job to read overtake you
No the red car driver was for sure being a dick.
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One track day was enough for me to realize that autocross is fun and sims are fun. High speed driving on the track just isn't my thing. But it took actually doing it to find out
In this video (like most complaining) slow, very low torque car that handles very well get's mad at lesser experienced drivers with cars that are clearly faster just not driven to their full extent. Everyone is always shitting on how they are so fast in their 150ft/lb of torque cars and can't understand why a guy isn't as willing to go crazy in the corners with a car with may more power. This ultimately leads to the butthurt of this video where the realization that your car just doesn't have the engine power to overtake a less experienced driver.
Yep, that's why I don't race 150ft/lb cars anymore, only V8's and turbo cars for me now!
point is money doesnt buy skill start with something not a corvette and learn how to drive so you don't put other faster cars in a dangerous situation
You obviously aren't familiar with HPDE etiquette. If you get caught on the track, you're obviously slower overall, despite you having more power. It works out better for BOTH parties if the slower one lets the faster one by, and if necessary because of the faster one's lower power, give him a few turns to put some separation distance between you. In this way, BOTH of you get to concentrate on your laps without interference.
In fact most organizations will discuss this during a drivers' meeting, and many will black flag you for doing what that Vette and that Seven did. Repeated offenses may even get you kicked out of the event.
If a stock Miata catches me, I let him by and I do NOT just blow back past him on the first available straight. I ease up until he gets a few corners to leave me behind. If I didn't do this, I would rightfully be ashamed of myself. An HPDE is not a race.
@@xtnuser5338 Yup. Organizer for my local HPDE says every driver's meeting "Just because you're in the faster car, it doesn't make you the faster driver. If you have someone on your ass around a corner, he's faster than you and you need to let him by."
S2k 86 and Miata owners felt this video
90’s Honda guys too. My car is quicker than people expect which seems to make them more upset. Especially if they made negative comments publicly about my car. “Oh that junky hatchback? The one you couldn’t pull away from? Yeah that’s mine.”
@@RollingRoadEFI people sleep on Honda heavily bro they’re amazing ! that “junk” is beating you xD
I feel your pain…overpowered cars and under skilled drivers.
must be frustrating being a faster driver in a slower car. Koodos to your driving abilities! Always great to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow.
But no need to get upset at slower drivers. This is HPDE and everyone drives at their comfortable pace. But giving middle fingers, trying to pass without point bys and intimidating other drivers from behind has no place at an HPDE event. If you were to get involved in a crash with any of the slower cars, you would be 100% at fault!
If you have problems with any of the drivers on track, bring it up to event organizers.
I hope by now you would have learned being patient and respectful of your fellow drivers on track. We are all out there to be safe, have fun and enjoy our time.
Going to an HPDE event and getting all pissed off at the other drivers is pretty bad form. I know it can be frustrating (and yes, the Vette driver was being...difficult), but it is strictly a fun type event with drivers and cars of all different speed levels. I see guys in their 70s at these things, driving $200,000 cars slower than I would drive on my way to the market, and on the other spectrum practicing racing drivers whom I'm sure I have held up on occasion. If it is too slow or frustrating for you, take the next step up to time attack or some other type of racing.
I understand the frustration, but if you are going to flip the bird at other drivers who paid their money just like you did, just because you don't like how they drive, IMO you should be kicked out. It isn't supposed to be that kind of event.
This was years ago! And I currently compete in time attack as one of the fastest drivers for the class in the country. Other drivers not knowing the HPDE track rules is the issue. But I appreciate your input!
I was thinking pretty much the same thing while watching this the guys pissed at everyone around him seems like well he needs to move up because hpde the damn e stands for education fella as in not pro drivers yet as in newbies.
my first time ever ever in hpde one first time on a track in my GT500 the download afterward all the Miata drivers were pissed at me and I'm like God damn my first time ever in HPDE1 Jesus fucking Christ
@John Shaft, really well said. This guy drives like his dad owns the track. I don’t care if it was years ago, or you’re now the fastest guy in your state, you need to learn how to keep your emotion in check. Your decisions making were piss poor, which leads to your driving being horrible. Yes you can be fast, and still be a horrible fast driver.
@@ycharlie5993 Thanks. I sort of wrote OP off when he replied with the "as one of the fastest drivers for the class in the country" comment. He clearly doesn't get it....no one gives a ^%$# how fast he is. HPDE is not a competition...it's OK if experienced guys get a little competitive, and long as they keep the rules in mind, act with restraint, and treat other drivers of all abilities with respect. I would bet OP is a road rager driving to the market as well.
@@johnshaft5613 yup I bet you this guy has more than road rage issues going on, combined with an ego of the size of Alaska. HPDE is supposed to be enjoyable, and not treated as a Saturday F1 qualifier event “I’m trying to put it on pole, so get out the way.” This video should be renamed “how to be a d!ck while in HPDE.”
yes. im watching all your videos. man. seems like you and I have the same problem. high hp cars acting all big and mighty on the straightways but slow as fuck in the corners
Horsepower heroes! Smh. Put them in a slower car and they'd be running super slow laps. Oh well. TT griding helps with this
It's always Boomers in Vettes.
Your S2k sounds nice.
How TF do you know anything about who was in the vette? Same thing as me saying you're a punk ass gen Z douche bag ragging on a boomer.
@@MichaelEgan66 Millennial, thank you. I see you've never actually been on a track or a driving road. Good day sir
Can tell your skill has outgrown the power of the S2K, the slow drivers should be driving your lower HP car and you should be driving something like a Porsche Turbo or Corvette, your skill would really push the best out of them.
That sound tho.. 👌
It's always the Vettes! ;)
Always 🤣
Great video Fk that, Im gonna pass on turns if he does that to me. If you catch someone on the corners they're supposed to let you pass on the straight away 💯
"He's Number One!" LOL
They're all number 1 🤣
E8, let me guess innovate wideband.. Gosh do i hate that gauge
Great eye! I'm about to install my totally different new wideband system. I was burning through the Innovate sensors every 2 track days
@@RSXDavo307 Same here went through about 5 o2 sensors before I switched to a aem and haven't had an issue yet
@@muthagoose00 good to know. I went to a AFR500v2 with the NGK/NTK sensor. Should hold up better!
Wow. That was bad. I hope you had a chat with the lead instructor or black flag so they could remind that driver of the point by or to check his mirrors better if this was a DE.
how do you downshift so quick lmao
I've gotten better! This was like 5 or 6 years ago. Watch last year's Sebring record lap
The vette is hitting the brakes in the middle of the turn with acres of room 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Liked just cuz of the middle finger 😂😂
In IL and WI, we have 3 classes, novice, intermediate, and advanced. I didn't know there was also a dipsh#$ class too!! Does your car have auto blip or is built in to the tune??
Lmfao. This was HPDE4 and some clips from HPDE3. I bounced around that day testing the new motor build. And no auto blip or anything. Car is controlled specifically by the 3 pedals and shifter. No special tune magic or anything (I wish it did though lol)
@@RSXDavo307 That's great footwork then!
Great driving! Poor driving by those around you. 10/10 for the finger lol
It’s almost ALWAYS American Muscle drivers
Was it a NASA event?
Correct. Went out in HPDE3 to see how those drivers were. And the 4 drivers were no better. Still put down my fastest lap in the middle of Sunday.
Lol i laughed all the way through my is sick 😂
*My Guy
Its always the corvette guys
drive too slow in the corners and then gun it on the straights.
Everyone starts somewhere, we were all once shitty drivers. That being said when i see the same car doing the same shit even 6months later i start to wonder what their purpose is 😂
Probably people like me who just want to enjoy full throttle without getting a ticket but even I know to point by
Time to put a cage in it and go racing!
You buying?? Haha
So because you're faster in a few parts of the track (not most) that means everyone should ruin their driving lines, move over to let you pass?
He caught them. That means he's faster overall around the track as an entire unit. And in an HPDE, it means you give the point by and even lift off throttle if you have to let the overall faster guy past you.
Drag racers on a road course.
Seriously! I also do come up on them super quickly so they must think my car is also fast in a straight line. It's not! You're just slow in the corners lol
Did grandpa buy at GT-1 corvette or something? like wtf how is this guy so slow in such a fast car lmao
Dude, just chill. Either drop in the hot pit, or drive a car with higher HP’s. You can’t expect every Vette owner to know how to drive. Matter of fact, expecting a Vette owner to just be some rich lawyer or doctor that knows literally nothing about racing or track day etiquette is more times than not the correct expectation.
Is that Vette? If so, understand he probably can't see out the Mirrors! Would never Own one Because! Maybe it's me. Awesome
It's just a track day, you're not actually "racing". You can't expect everyone to just get out of your way?
Holy shit that was infuriating to watch. Good driving man. I just hot pit and wait it out. All power and no skill with these people. It’s dangerous and they should honestly be dropped to a class
Was this a AARP Convention?
Some of these comments are funny. You can't catch cars that lap faster than you. If you're not lapping faster, move over. It's that simple.
Hope I get to run into you at the firm one day. You make 1:18 look slow
Would love to meet you! If you ever want to talk cars feel free to reach out to me on IG!
You know he's just as annoyed with you crawling down the straights as you are with his slow cornering. Different cars different agendas. Pull off and get away.
Difference is only one of them is breaking the rules.
What app are you using that’s showing your lap times?
Hey! Back then I was using Race Chrono on my phone. I have since gone to using an AIM Solo 2 as it's far more accurate and helpful to use!
Dont get emotional
The best drivers in the world have no emotion in these situations
Emotions will distract you
Its an hdpe. Hit the brakes and find an open slot.
🙏🏼 Preach.
Bro, it’s obvious you’re mad because your car is slow on the straightaways and about the only time you caught up to him was two corners. relax Mario Andretti it’s not like you’re racing the Indy 500!!!!
You gotta wonder why they don't just go to a fucking drag strip if they all they want to do is mash a gas pedal.
What did the car do at 4:10? I am trying to look for the point bys but difficult to see since it's so fast paced..I have my first hpde Sat so I am trying to learn as much as I can. Thanks!
He pointed me by, let me get along side of him and then he went full throttle (his v8 and 1600lbs against my 4 cylinder and at the time 2900lbs). No point in doing that!!
@@RSXDavo307 dumb question I know, what was the correct thing for him to have done?
Oh I see it now! Not given the point by? Was he a beginner?
@@MandyReyesDesigns actually he DID give me the point by. Then when I got along side he smashed the gas again. And his MUCH faster car just walked me on the straights and he just parked it in the corners. Happy to answer all your questions and good luck on your first HPDE!! (it's spirals out of control quick. I promise you'll love it)
@@MandyReyesDesigns not a dumb question! He should have waited until I got by him. I was so much faster in the corners he would have never seen me again (he was running about 5 to 7 seconds slower a lap than I)
Well they (Corvette) do have a ‘500’ number which for that racecourse means ‘novice’. But they look to be a dangerous novice.
HOW DARE HE PASS ME IN A RACE... IM NUMBER 1 HE CANT DO THAT!
It wasn't a race. It was HPDE. There are passing rules, and the vette broke them over and over.
what timing app do you use?
Back then it was RaceChrono2. I now use an AIM Solo2.
I bet he's wearing piloti's too
To be fair though just take a drive thru and find some clear track. No point being so close to a land mine.
@@carlj130 , that was the last weekend I spent trying to have fun in HPDE 3/4. Its strictly a TT car now. But I'm quite comfortable on track and like watching and pushing other drivers. If they're unsafe I let officials know
@@RSXDavo307 I'm a club racer and yeah track days can be frustrating but you can't beat the value for laps per $. Can't get frustrated though... if I were you and you're trying to use track days like a test I'd ignore the traffic and focus on the optimal sectors on race Chrono...that way if you get traffic back it up and attack next sector. Then at the end of the day the optimal time is really a measure of how much you learnt or improved and it's still fun. I think we've all been stuck behind a Corvette at some point 😆
@@carlj130 I hear you. I only drive in time trial now for competition but occasional ill go out and watch the HPDE groups to check on them (or if other friends are still at those levels I go out to drive with them). Its the poor driving skills that drive me crazy. They should be bumped back down a level or two before they hurt someone or themselves!
What's HPDE?
Ok, so explain to me why you keep throwing your hands up here. I’m not a novice. Would consider myself intermediate and it looks like you are driving a good line. Obviously the guy in the corvette is all over the place but when you are on back/front straight your’e flipping the bird at him and the bug eyed sprite when they are pulling away from you. Are you expecting them to give you a point by because you eat them up off the turn?
Always appreciate questions. This was 3 years ago actually. That Corvette was a C7 Z06 on Hoosiers. Should run 2:12s around Sebring yet it was holding me up who at the time, ran 2:28.5s. I ended up pitting and giving him a half a lap and I still caught him by the end of the session. If he had let me get through without blocking me, he never would have seen me again. I also went out in DE4 again last week at Sebring. Unfortunately I'm blown away at the lack of speed in that group. Check out that video (was just warming the car up and not pushing yet either)
@@RSXDavo307
I get that you are a better driver but you were flipping the guy off as he was pulling away from you? Also the little bug eyed car too.
The Z06 can only carry the same speed that your 2k can in the turn yet you get mad for him “blocking” you. Once again Im curious did you expect a point by when they’re pulling away?
@@brianwilkins5673 Yes, the rules/etiquette of HPDE is that if somebody catches you, they are faster than you, and you should point them by, and then if necessary due to their lower power, you should ease off for a bit to give them space. After a couple more turns they will leave you behind. Then BOTH parties get to concentrate on their lap without hindrance.
@@xtnuser5338
Yeah thanks rookie
@@brianwilkins5673 I'm a rookie in the sense that I've never raced professionally. But I'm not a rookie in the sense that I became an HPDE instructor in 2010.
You asked, "Are you expecting them to give you a point by because you eat them up off the turn?"
He expects them to give him a point by because he is running faster laps overall, despite their ability to outrun him in the straights. It's pretty standard HPDE etiquette that if someone catches up to you, they're faster, and so you let them by and DON'T drag race them down the straight. Those guys were rookies, as is evidenced by their lines AND their lack of etiquette. If you think they did nothing wrong, YOU'RE a rookie too.
Oh man... I’m getting so frustrated watching this. lol
Oh it never stops unfortunately. Even in TT we still have shitty drivers. Oh well 🤷♂️
This was genuinely hard to watch. You'd hope they would have some etiquette but no.
Ya, this both HPDE3 and HPDE4 (different point by rules) I go out in the DE groups sometimes to check on the drivers out there. Unfortunately it's not always sunshine and rainbows
Was this the event in October?
Decemeber of 2018 actually!
What a mess!
always a guy in a corvette
That was frustrating. some really dumb point by's by those drivers haha
Point by and MASH the throttle. Oh wait, my 400whp, 1800lbs car is way faster than your 2900lbs s2000 with 220whp? Who would've thunk....
This is why I won't do track days.
lol s2k's are slow i'd gap it in my Vette, there's way too many vette "racers" driving too much car and unable to use it all on the courses ALWAYS not be though i'd slide that thing sideways at 130mph if i had to, also nobody wants to be behind a turd of a miata or s2k just not fast enough in straights lol,
Your right some people need horsepower to make up for their lack of skill. It's does help make up time on the straights. But then when you you don't have to gumption to hold speed in the turns .. probably best to take yourself to a local drag strip and brag about power.
Very un classy video and somebody who knows racing would know. If u want something legit we’ll pay more money and get into a legit league.
It’s part of the game corvette wasn’t that bad
u throwing ur hands up like that and not staying calm is a pure example of no self control. A good driver doesn’t get mad like that.
That’s a bigger track ur not making enough juice to hang man, he was easily passing u, anyone would do that. This is racing, he doesn’t have to open up for u that easily nor does he have to let u pass on the straights or give up his extra power to let u stay ahead on straights.
Its not like he did aything unsafe and the other driver clearly isnt looking and going to see it. He should not be in the same group and did pit so I feel for him. Its the miata issue you can catch people in corners but get dusted on straights
You clearly have no idea what the hell you're talking about and you're one of those people that probably just sells horsepowers the answer for everything. Your response is absolutely ridiculous to me
It was NOT racing. It was HPDE. There are passing rules involved. The Vette broke them over and over.
What group is this? 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️.
NASA Florida region
He has to be from NY
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you're probably right
You have anger issues
LOL!!
I've been there, but with wheel to wheel racing. Most frustrating thing out there, and it's always Volvos...
Wow, that guy is terrible.
Next time when you get to the point of frustration that you’re ready to flip the bird just do a quick drive down pit lane.
Corvette owners. ‘Nough said!
Right?! I drove a C7 Z06 2 weekends ago at Sebring. Amazing what happens when you have another 325whp under your right foot... no idea how a C7 on slicks can be slower than my s2000 (which only ran 28s the weekend this video was taken)
#noredmist
Just get a corvette
track days are for learners, get a race car and go race
Corvette of course lmao 😂
Op is entitled
lol dude ur raging
I dont understand how people would even think to go on track when theyre that bad
Where else are they supposed to learn?
Being slow is fine. Being discourteous AND slow is not.
@@RollingRoadEFI if they don't even understand the concept of a racing line then they should be watching videos and getting tuition, not just going out on track and giving it a go by them selves. Fast cars make slow drivers, people should start out in something slow and learn proper car control on the limit before they go out in their corvettes or whatever else. Go learn to drive a kart on the limit and learn racing lines that way.
@@stefanroseEP3 I don’t disagree.
I will add that there are novice groups at track days for a reason. Just because you have a faster car doesn’t mean you belong in a faster group.
@@RollingRoadEFI yeah or that, never thought of that but yeah there are a few regular novice sessions, tuition should be mandatory on those too imo. Slow drivers on track are downright dangerous in most instances. They tend to be unpredictable too when they don't know where they're going or what their positioning should be.
@@stefanroseEP3 Happened to me a lot karting as a young boy. Dads would pick a fight with me because I bumped their son multiple times…. without taking into consideration the unexpected, unnecessary, and erratic braking. If I’m 3” from your bumper and you go 100% brakes for no reason you’re going to get hit and that isn’t my fault lol.
It always amazes me that better drivers at DEs get so pissed off by slower drivers that they document why they should be banned for life.
At many DE organizations, they will black flag you for such behavior, and indeed will kick you out of the event if you are a flagrant repeat offender.
Had nothing to do with being slower, and everything to do with being discourteous.
Disrespect earns disrespect.
@@RollingRoadEFI I'll give some of them the benefit of the doubt, even though I don't really think these drivers deserve it in this case.
SOMETIMES such behavior isn't because the driver is disrespectful. It's simply because they are new and have sensory overload and tunnel vision. They just are so mentally busy that they forget to check their mirrors and listen to sounds. Their brains are tuning out everything except the piece of concrete right in front of them. MOST of them will get more competent/comfortable with a bit of time, and will not act like that anymore.
But in THIS particular case I think they were being dicks.
@@RollingRoadEFI you just proved you should also be banned from any track activity for the rest of your life.
Seems to me you should just buy a faster car.
If someone is buying I'm in! It helps last weekend I drove a C7 Z06 and had fastest time of the weekend lol. What a difference 325whp does for a car
It's probably more fun to embarrass people that talk big because they have a fast car.
What a stupid driver 🤣
You lost my sympathy when you started making hand jesters and flipping people off yourself. Take your frustration to the pits and cool down. Are there less skilled drivers on the track with perhaps faster cars, probably. Are they frustrating, yes. But, your conduct was very unprofessional, especially if you claim that you are the more experienced and seasoned driver.
You act as if that was beginner HPDE... It's wasn't it's is the advanced group. Usually people like that would be reported for poor driving and etiquette... And bumper down a class or two
buy a faster car bro
Haha you paying for it?
@@AllianceRacing I would happily Venmo you $20 towards a new fender if you promise to use the old one on the next Corvette 😂
no skill