The Cost of Poaching

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  • @oldskoolrc-m7k
    @oldskoolrc-m7k Рік тому +28

    I own a farm and I keep lurchers and often go on foot after a few rabbits and can wander far and wide across all the farms… I often help out with fallen sheep etc… there is a big difference between a poacher and these guys… I hate to see the average cheeky poacher getting painted with the same brush as these chavvy thugs… they shouldn’t be mentioned in the same sentence

    • @billycrotty4102
      @billycrotty4102 Рік тому +9

      Exactly I know lots of poachers and they wouldn't dream of stealing dogs.
      If you're reading this keeper don't give it the... Hunting with dogs is wrong and band...
      Shooting will be banned in the future, because someone bans something doesn't make it wrong it simply mean some people don't understand.
      Fancy shooting hares so others can't hunt them and pretending you care about them 🙄
      Most deer are completely out of control so stop that rubbish too.

    • @jamesstenning9390
      @jamesstenning9390 2 місяці тому

      Appreciate that, this video is total bs and doesn't apply to 99%

    • @colinrecardo6452
      @colinrecardo6452 2 дні тому

      Thanks your spot on.👍

  • @ironix1
    @ironix1 2 роки тому +21

    Do these poachers happen to be those scumbags that don't care about others, drive illegally, rob, swear, fight, drink, dress for the track, flout the law and live in metal boxes?

    • @vivecaStJohn
      @vivecaStJohn 2 роки тому +7

      That's exactly who's involved, but no one's allowed to say so, because it's 'racist'

    • @eifiondavies1889
      @eifiondavies1889 Місяць тому +1

      @@ironix1 no I am a law abiding citizen,up to 2 am especially during stormy weather.only take what we can eat as a family,if I can’t eat it I don’t kill it.

  • @chrisjackson7805
    @chrisjackson7805 Рік тому +10

    The cost of poaching it should be free 👌

  • @eifiondavies1889
    @eifiondavies1889 3 місяці тому +1

    Not all of us are like that,I could write a book on poaching.im out whilst the wind + rain blows everyone in bed I’m out,I will never take a harem.i hunt land,river,beach.i love it.use a lot of snares in so many different ways,use corn laced for pheasant,use all kind of nets,for land river,sea I work alone I always stay with the nets.i have taught myself to use a hessian sack with weight tied off keep weight + net separate.tie a long pc of string to attached to the lower end of the net attached to the weight at bottom of sack bend the net from right to left+ from left to right,continue until the net is completely inside sack,keep a long piece of string attached to top part of net,find a nice deep pool,tie the string to your trouser belt grab top of sack throw it as far as possible usually far end of pool,wait couple of minutes for sack to sink to the bottom of pool,start pulling the string attached to your belt back towards you,as the net is puled back,the net float parts comes to the surface of the pool.now your net is set,ready for the sea trout+ salmon.the float I use doesn’t show at the surface around an inch bellow the surface.if a bailiff walks buy he will see nothing. By the way I don’t poach for money,only for food,+ the freezer,I don’t buy meat,fish ,pheasant,pigeon..I’ve even after one proto type after another,I now able to snare a pheasants during the day,it’s a length of stainless steel stiff wire with a small piece of string ,it works time after time,the bird doesn’t. Suffer its dead in a second,keep practicing on your chicken ,place the string on the ground with open loop put some corn in this loop,it works everytime. Be ready to grab your chicken,otherwise you will have chicken for supper.

  • @tiernanwearen6624
    @tiernanwearen6624 2 роки тому +9

    Years ago the romantic percepection was true years ago. Sadly these days I would even call them "poachers" poacher implies a knowledge and respect of the countryside and its wildlife. These people are gangs of thugs who don't have a clue about the countryside or the wildlife that lives in it. They are only concerned about money and ego.

    • @eifiondavies1889
      @eifiondavies1889 Місяць тому

      @@tiernanwearen6624 I hunt poach on my own ,food for the table that’s it. Excluding hares never killed one,never will.

  • @lastofthemouchers8873
    @lastofthemouchers8873 3 роки тому +12

    And I am a gamekeeper. Coursing bad, badger baiting bad, subsistence poaching ok

  • @leecoomber3877
    @leecoomber3877 2 роки тому +11

    Rubbish , never done any of them things ,.🙄
    I love nature ,enjoy the countryside, respectful of land an livestock .
    Walk dont drive, don't confront, never bet ,don't go in a group infact youd not know I'd been.
    So dont put us all in this category,I have alot of permission an a good name with the owners, but still have a look on the other side of the fence.
    I don't agree with the thieving an violence etc.
    It's got to this level since the ridiculous Hunting act.

    • @tiernanwearen6624
      @tiernanwearen6624 2 роки тому +4

      There's poachers and there's assholes. Most of the people who commit these crimes fall into the later category

  • @friendlyboar2652
    @friendlyboar2652 3 роки тому +7

    Good report. We need more publicity about this issue and tougher sentencing.

    • @troywales983
      @troywales983 3 роки тому

      hang them hi

    • @Jackb-s9w
      @Jackb-s9w 6 місяців тому

      I know proper lurcher men would be turning in there graves right now

  • @mhappy01
    @mhappy01 3 роки тому +5

    Why should catching poachers be a priority over house burglaries?

    • @nationalgamekeepersorganis9866
      @nationalgamekeepersorganis9866  3 роки тому +4

      That wasn't the suggestion. Poaching is an organised crime and is also considered a gateway crime which often leads to thefts etc at the same time. It should be given the same priority as other crimes and not filed in the too difficult section

    • @samjones4323
      @samjones4323 3 роки тому +2

      What’s the problem if people walk the land an don’t steal stuff

    • @nationalgamekeepersorganis9866
      @nationalgamekeepersorganis9866  3 роки тому +1

      @@samjones4323 that all depends on what use the land has, what rights of way it has and what time of year it is.

    • @sionroberts1811
      @sionroberts1811 2 роки тому

      @@samjones4323 You would to be the first to complaine if someone sat in your house in your chair eating your biscuits . Total prat

    • @ironix1
      @ironix1 2 роки тому

      @@samjones4323 Can I walk through all of your property then?

  • @teggwynlewis9803
    @teggwynlewis9803 3 роки тому +9

    I disagree with the idealistic old school poacher no longer existing, they do and I don’t disagree with it. Armed trespassing and violence I do not agree with. So sad to hear about goeff’s kennels, although that could be Anti’s rather than poachers.

    • @moucheroutdoors
      @moucheroutdoors 3 роки тому +2

      Totally agree with you mate basc trying to tar everyone with the same brush.....once the police have finished with coursing and shooting laws change they will see what its like to be on the other side of the law
      And will regret having anything to to with the new wildlife crime units

    • @lastofthemouchers8873
      @lastofthemouchers8873 3 роки тому

      @@moucheroutdoors yep me too mate. I am one and I have an overall positive effect on MY land

  • @lastofthemouchers8873
    @lastofthemouchers8873 3 роки тому +18

    Christ what a load of bollocks. Mouching should be legal

  • @christopherking9439
    @christopherking9439 3 роки тому +5

    If you don’t have permission to someone’s land, bloody well stay off poachers are a menace .

    • @samjones4323
      @samjones4323 3 роки тому +3

      The dogs need running and can’t always get permission

    • @tiernanwearen8096
      @tiernanwearen8096 2 роки тому

      @@samjones4323 too many hare coursers are idiots who are ruining the crops by driving four by fours around the fields . Destroying Gates and fences. Assualting the landowner.
      You don't shit on your own doorstep. That shit pisses people off. So coursers should not be surprised when the gamekeepers and farmers are complaining and demanding action against them.

    • @ironix1
      @ironix1 2 роки тому +1

      @@samjones4323 Get permission before you get the dog then!

  • @lastofthemouchers8873
    @lastofthemouchers8873 3 роки тому +24

    You are just talking about gypos

    • @samjones4323
      @samjones4323 3 роки тому

      Ye itis mate hawking to rob farms when I go I walk the land and don’t pinch Fuk all

    • @jordantheallroundangler85
      @jordantheallroundangler85 9 місяців тому

      You can't say that in this day and age! They are travelling, nomadic people

    • @StuartClubb-rc9cv
      @StuartClubb-rc9cv 8 місяців тому +2

      No good gorger,

  • @ShotawayFilms
    @ShotawayFilms 2 роки тому

    Seems like nothing much has changed since the ''wild west'' 40+ years ago in terms of harrasment and intimidation of keepers,their families and possessions.Poaching is part of the rural crime umbrella.Stemming it takes head on confrontation which is risky.Less so for specialised personnel.The rural areas are the land of opportunity and generally soft targets for this particular fraternity who's activities are passed down from older generations of the same groups of individuals.I recall from being involved in local security set up to combat this kind of trespass finding young kids in their vehicles.As Mr Garrod said in so many words it is ingrained in their D&A so from past experience takes military trained operatives to stop it or pretty fearless and physically able individuals..My advice Jonny is be careful.You too could become a target for their retribution.

  • @eifiondavies1889
    @eifiondavies1889 3 місяці тому

    What pisses me off is seeing someone that has poached rabbits + hares,leaves the kill at the entrance what a shame killing just for the sake of killing.

  • @Onlyanangler
    @Onlyanangler Рік тому

    In this video one of them states that hunting with dogs is banned. This isn’t true as in England an wales you can legally hunt rabbits an rats.
    Less knowledge people will tar legal hunting/ pest control with the same brush if they don’t know this.

  • @LlywelynapGruffydd
    @LlywelynapGruffydd Рік тому +1

    what about the rise in badger baiting? people nailing badgers to wooded floors so they cant use claws against young dogs?

  • @brianferguson7840
    @brianferguson7840 10 місяців тому +1

    £100 for a deer for it's meat ????
    WHERE ???

  • @eifiondavies1889
    @eifiondavies1889 Місяць тому

    Smashing into a kennel that’s fk all to do with poaching,I’m an old type poacher ,I’m out during rough weather,use snares,nets,laced corn,I’m livid when hares are taken,hares have become scares,20 years ago I used to come across them several times a night,as I walk from one farm to another,now same farms 2024 not one single hare I have seen,so 4 some 4 years ago some bstd had been chasing with dogs,they were just dumped by the farmers gate,I was so fkn livid. Couple of years ago went out lamping I could see eyes shining at a corner of a field very low to the ground,I was about to head for home but the shine I was picking up by the lamp I had to go for a look,again I was so fkn disappointed,we have some dears that have escaped from somewhere, some fkr had shot the 6 just left them there .this has nothing to do with poaching,these were after a kill that’s it with a high powered rifle,they had been shot by .22 hornet.what a waste they were far to young to be killed. .

  • @alancross2826
    @alancross2826 3 роки тому +3

    Geoffs right, punishment to fit the crime, so much for Willie Whitelaws short sharp shock, prolonged shock is the only sentence that would be understood. This is something else Boris needs to get sorted, when hes not to busy telling lies to the fishing communities etc, who is the MP most associated with this subject, badger him with emails etc. Owen Patterson in shropshire spoke in support of countryside matters, one with some commonsense. 35 likes seems a poor response, can this not be associated with the Fieldsports Channel, fieldsports done correctly that is, and conservation, more media coverage must be a priority. Good luck, keep putting the films out. Regards Alan

  • @erdevon3257
    @erdevon3257 Рік тому +6

    Very Stereotypical views, not all poachers are the same. Most are just after some fresh free range meat

    • @nationalgamekeepersorganis9866
      @nationalgamekeepersorganis9866  Рік тому +2

      Does that make committing a criminal offence ok? The abuse, damage and intimation is real and happens every day. Would you say stealing a sheep from a field is ok because you wanted some fresh lamb?

    • @leeshepherd4775
      @leeshepherd4775 Рік тому

      And the amount of raptors killed illegally by gamekeepers is a crime but thats fine ? no its not ex gamekeeper@@nationalgamekeepersorganis9866

  • @ZachRussell.W
    @ZachRussell.W 2 роки тому

    We should take a note out of America, I bet there would be a lot less poachers if farmers/land owners/farmers/game keepers could use lethal force, even if it’s simply the poachers knowing that they do

    • @brianferguson7840
      @brianferguson7840 10 місяців тому

      Murdered for a rabbit or a pheasant???
      That sounds fair 🤔🤔🤔

  • @Arfabiscuit
    @Arfabiscuit Рік тому

    Poachers and criminals ain't the same thing . If you are asking me to feel sorry for rich people you can take a hike .

    • @nationalgamekeepersorganis9866
      @nationalgamekeepersorganis9866  Рік тому

      Gamekeepers are certainly not rich and poaching is a crime meaning poachers are criminals. In fact it is the most widespread rural crime and is undertaken by those who willfully want to break the law.

  • @petergalloway7978
    @petergalloway7978 4 місяці тому

    These people are not poachers

  • @Croft_Gundogs
    @Croft_Gundogs 3 роки тому +1

    In this day and age, if you keep your dogs outside in a frigging wooden kennel, you’re an utter fool. Geoff clearly hasn’t learnt his lesson seeing as he’s still got dogs in that kennel. It’s bad enough keeping dogs outside in any kennel nowadays as it is. If you don’t want dogs or can’t have them in your house, your dog room basically needs to be Fort Knox. It needs to be as secure as possible.

    • @SuperJacobe
      @SuperJacobe 2 роки тому +6

      Nothing Wong in keeping dogs outside in kennel so long as there warm and dry,but you won’t say it,even if there warm and dry is it good to have dogs outside in kennels??? Yes or no?.

    • @ZachRussell.W
      @ZachRussell.W 2 роки тому +4

      “Nowadays” , how’s it different from however many years ago ? Dogs are a LOT more hardy than we give them credit for in the western world.

    • @ZachRussell.W
      @ZachRussell.W 2 роки тому +1

      @@SuperJacobe I suppose it’s down to the owner, might not be practical or may just want to company, either way, I see no problem as long as the dog is happy and healthy.
      Also I love your profile pic! An amazing film!!

    • @Croft_Gundogs
      @Croft_Gundogs Рік тому

      @@ZachRussell.W what the frig are you on about? I'm not talking about anything other than safety.

    • @kieron9581
      @kieron9581 Рік тому +1

      It's called working dog police do the same thing

  • @eifiondavies1889
    @eifiondavies1889 Місяць тому

    Bull shit mate,I’ve been poaching since I was a kid,real poachers like myself,keep well away from farms,many a times I’ve come across number of times sheep on their backs,turn them back on their feet if not by the time farmers come round the crows+ magpies would have had their eyes out,same with them being stuck in fence so we do good + help these farmers,even pulled a calf or two.been caused by mrs for doing something other than poaching,come home smelling like a $10 dollar hooker.😂

  • @samjones4323
    @samjones4323 2 роки тому +5

    Hare shooting needs to be banned

    • @nationalgamekeepersorganis9866
      @nationalgamekeepersorganis9866  2 роки тому +1

      That is a far sweeping statement, in many areas the hare population is doing so well it needs controlling. It's all about keeping the balance

    • @alexanderoddy4916
      @alexanderoddy4916 Рік тому

      And let’s not forget they are delicious

    • @billycrotty4102
      @billycrotty4102 Рік тому +2

      Absolutely agree.
      This is the problem with gamekeepers, what they do is every bit if not more cruel than dog work but they act all high n mighty.
      Fox running off after being winged by a rifle to die in agony, hares running around screaming after being blasted with shootguns and we are cruel 🙄
      You forget poachers make the best keepers, most Lurcher and terrier lads have done shooting etc and have knowledge of it but the same can't be said the other way round and I for one would never go on a hare shoot I don't even think driven pheasants are sport, pigeons fair enough but you might as well shoot chickens as driven tame pheasents no sport at all, then bury them 🙄

  • @geoffhughes2804
    @geoffhughes2804 Рік тому

    Do miss a bit of poaching

  • @brianferguson7840
    @brianferguson7840 10 місяців тому

    Poachers don't steal tractors or bait badgers. True poachers take game to eat. Travellers who bet thousands of pounds on coursing matches are not poachers. It's a pity that the police see poaching as a priority crime instead of burglary, robbery, rape, assault, fraud,

  • @russellevans3073
    @russellevans3073 20 днів тому

    They thieves not poachers if it’s not yours its theft!!!!

  • @shaunpreston2839
    @shaunpreston2839 Рік тому +1

    This is alot off shit really, most shot pheasants and partridge after being shot go in a hole inthe ground or the game dealer gets them for free and buy roe deer for about a tenner a piece! Im an ex keeper i no!

    • @nationalgamekeepersorganis9866
      @nationalgamekeepersorganis9866  Рік тому

      Urban myth.

    • @brianferguson7840
      @brianferguson7840 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@@nationalgamekeepersorganis9866
      Not so, my syndicate gets 30p per pheasant or partridge. Nothing for shot rabbits and perhaps 50p for a lightly shot hare.

  • @PapaTube-ep1nk
    @PapaTube-ep1nk 2 роки тому +3

    Loved a bit of poaching in my early youth in the late 1970's and 1980's only one or two Trout, salmon, rabbits or pheasant for the pot, never did any damage or threatened anybody, it was all a bit of fun, crawling about like a Japanese Sniper in the dark or early hours hiding from the Gamekeepers, Farmers and Landowners.
    Way back then if you got caught you got your butt kicked from the Keeper your gear confiscated and got reported to your Father who also gave you a good thumping when you got home the Police were rarely ever called you had been given a good lesson either do not get caught or give it up.
    Realized it was wrong later on in my late teens but it is always stuck with me remembering the excitement of outwitting the Gamekeeper or Landowners.
    Ended up working for most of them Beating, Picking Up or Shooting 😂
    There is probably 1000's of lads like myself who did the same an odd fish or pheasant, but I expect now with easier access to the countryside by city or large town gangs and Travelers running Lurchers it will be slaughter for the wildlife and serious criminal damage, violence and theft.

  • @eifiondavies1889
    @eifiondavies1889 Місяць тому

    Best of luck game keeper’s.

  • @shaunpreston3212
    @shaunpreston3212 2 роки тому +1

    I used to keeper you need attack dogs if not go armed! You are mainly talking about traveller's but a lot off settled boys as well! And there will be reprisals! I'm afraid it's part off a keepers job! I've known side bets hare coursing best off 3 off £50,000

    • @cairney9072
      @cairney9072 2 роки тому

      what have your dog put down and if you go armed say goodbye to your firearms license 😂

    • @billycrotty4102
      @billycrotty4102 Рік тому

      What harm does the bet do to you?
      99% of coursing is never gambled on.
      If you want to bring "attack" dogs, guess what there's plenty of Lurcher lads who own malis etc, think what your doing before you start upping the anti.
      If you ask someone to leave they should leave if you start acting like Rambo it probably will soon escalate so Remember treat people how you want to be treated yourself.

    • @paddydoyle4234
      @paddydoyle4234 Рік тому

      @@billycrotty4102 the best cure for a mali is a gamebred pit bull.

    • @billycrotty4102
      @billycrotty4102 Рік тому

      @@paddydoyle4234 the best cure for a game bred pit dog is a bullet or a hammer.
      I remember you from f.b you absolute melt 😂

    • @pussypostlethwaitsaeronaut8503
      @pussypostlethwaitsaeronaut8503 Рік тому

      @@cairney9072 You mean firearms licence (ce), not 'firearms license' (se). Licence is the noun, whereas license is the verb only, unless you're American. Therefore you license (verb) someone by issuing them a licence (noun), hence TV licence, driving licence, licence fee etc ‒ no 's' in licence when it's a noun. Moreover, it's actually firearms certificate and shotgun certificate, known as a FAC or SGC respectively, rather than firearms licence.
      Anyway, please use and preserve our English language and avoid adopting unnecessary Americanisms.
      ❤xx

  • @erdevon3257
    @erdevon3257 Рік тому +2

    How about the illegal killing of birds of prey on shooting estates. As illegal prey, these birds are being poached by gamekeepers

    • @nationalgamekeepersorganis9866
      @nationalgamekeepersorganis9866  Рік тому +1

      All wildlife crimes are wrong and the NGO are very robust about that. The facts are quite clear that poaching is by far the most destructive and violent wildlife crime. Police figures show that.

  • @tiernanwearen8096
    @tiernanwearen8096 2 роки тому

    I'd would lock them up and throw away the key if I were to work my way.

  • @AntonyCoomber
    @AntonyCoomber 6 місяців тому

    Dont tar us all with the same brush. We are not all alike.

  • @SamSpittle-o7j
    @SamSpittle-o7j 11 місяців тому

    They are not poacher they are something defrost cos go out with my dogs walking and what they cach I tack and eat and I can't get permission cos them giving a man with a dog a bad name cos we all are put in the same boat it's not rite cos there is people out there dose what you say they do but are not poachers they are something else's but a man thats walking the land will run his dog 20 times and not get anything cos that is a man that respect the land and that is a pochers not what you say they are

  • @countrywideboy
    @countrywideboy 2 роки тому

    Remove the hares removes the problem.

  • @nomad90125
    @nomad90125 Рік тому

    Your enemies are Didicoys not poachers

    • @StuartClubb-rc9cv
      @StuartClubb-rc9cv 8 місяців тому

      You don't really have a clue , and it's alot of a younger generation that's the problem

  • @troywales983
    @troywales983 3 роки тому +1

    bloody poachers ,i own the world you bloody poacher so stay of ALL of my land ,after all i made every bit of it with my own hands, its all mine im telling you ,mine ,mine ,mine

  • @eifiondavies1889
    @eifiondavies1889 Місяць тому

    Smashing into a kennel that’s fk all to do with poaching,I’m an old type poacher ,I’m out during rough weather,use snares,nets,laced corn,I’m livid when hares are taken,hares have become scares,20 years ago I used to come across them several times a night,as I walk from one farm to another,now same farms 2024 not one single hare I have seen,so 4 some 4 years ago some bstd had been chasing with dogs,they were just dumped by the farmers gate,I was so fkn livid. Couple of years ago went out lamping I could see eyes shining at a corner of a field very low to the ground,I was about to head for home but the shine I was picking up by the lamp I had to go for a look,again I was so fkn disappointed,we have some dears that have escaped from somewhere, some fkr had shot the 6 just left them there .this has nothing to do with poaching,these were after a kill that’s it with a high powered rifle,they had been shot by .22 hornet.what a waste they were far to young to be killed. .