Gen X vs. Millennials…Who Did It Better?

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  • @SlowJamsAndJellies
    @SlowJamsAndJellies 11 днів тому +103

    Toure really captured the spirit of an older brother making up a game to play against his younger brother and then changing the rules to make sure he never loses 😂 I like the idea though. Next time try to get F D Signifier as the referee

    • @demonslayer319
      @demonslayer319 11 днів тому

      😂😂😂😂

    • @Jayvo_Of_Jamrock
      @Jayvo_Of_Jamrock 11 днів тому +1

      Yo! FD Would be perfect!

    • @StephTerry-c2y
      @StephTerry-c2y 18 годин тому

      I’m a millennial and I knew we’d get washed but we could have put up a better fight than this.
      For the record school boy w is not a wash with cube.
      For Eminem I’d say Lil Wayne
      (Wash)
      For Ghostface I’d say Lupe Fiasco
      (Lupe wins)
      For Cube I’d say TI
      (Wash)

  • @IamSammyJ2003
    @IamSammyJ2003 12 днів тому +115

    As a 40yr old Millennial... Toure is being an old head with his arguments 😅

    • @KingxGreen
      @KingxGreen 12 днів тому +8

      @@IamSammyJ2003 👀 all I’m saying

    • @lagransu
      @lagransu 12 днів тому +7

      I’m a Gen-Xer and I agree. He is. (That goal post was definitely moving.)

    • @iterrorbyte278
      @iterrorbyte278 12 днів тому +8

      If speaking pure lyricism, Gen X washes all, except Dot and Cole. He gave Nikki too much credit, she’s nothing more than a Lil Kim rerun.

    • @baytinsopo
      @baytinsopo 12 днів тому

      That and he's coming with that Arthur Ashe sweatsuit vibe..from a real old GenX

    • @mphenomenal
      @mphenomenal 10 днів тому

      💯

  • @efanamethesequel
    @efanamethesequel 12 днів тому +49

    I’m Gen X. And while there’s no question we legitimately washed the millennials, Torre did move the goalposts a lot.

    • @KingxGreen
      @KingxGreen 12 днів тому +16

      @@efanamethesequel thank you I’m here in the comments to get my participation 🏆

    • @efanamethesequel
      @efanamethesequel 12 днів тому +5

      @ I’m not a Wayne fan, but you dropped the ball on that one. Because I know what you were about to say before he interrupted you, but you never came back to it. That there was never a year when Jay was the hottest one out. You would’ve had a stronger case for Wayne.

  • @SladeW5218
    @SladeW5218 12 днів тому +40

    The way Toure laughed at Drake 😂

  • @gustavrasslan8440
    @gustavrasslan8440 12 днів тому +19

    It's not just 15 year olds at aaaalll. As a Gen Z'er who's 27 (from '97), it's true that we don't really consider Jay Z in the top 5. He might be in the top 10, but not top 5 for most Gen Z'ers. And we are pushing 30 adults now, not just teenagers

    • @SmokinAcesProd
      @SmokinAcesProd 11 днів тому +4

      Well that would just be wrong lol🤷🏾‍♂️

  • @Mogkween
    @Mogkween 12 днів тому +53

    Future actually makes a ton of sense to me comparison wise. Future changed the whole sound of mainstream hip hop it feels like

    • @mrlofi333
      @mrlofi333 12 днів тому +1

      Trap was there already so he had an advantage but yeah

    • @Star-hg1kt
      @Star-hg1kt 12 днів тому

      ​@@mrlofi333That's the problem, most shit was there LOL. It's rigged L from the start

  • @creamycazz1
    @creamycazz1 12 днів тому +16

    As a millennial, it’s not hard to see that Gen X definitely had the best rappers. With the exception of Kendrick & Cole, all of the Gen X rappers wash millennials period! Touré had this in the bag from the start. 🏆

  • @KingxGreen
    @KingxGreen 12 днів тому +118

    Like this comment if you feel Toure Cheated... i want my participation trophy too.

    • @m4767
      @m4767 12 днів тому +5

      Toure def cheated on the Rakim one. I'd preserved Future for later, and threw him Gambino

    • @SladeW5218
      @SladeW5218 12 днів тому +3

      🤣 he definitely cheated fam

    • @m4767
      @m4767 12 днів тому +3

      Haha, oh yeah and on the Jay one as well. Jay is never beating the man that discovered Drake. It's like wiping Drake out of hiphop storytelling. PS: Never a Drake fan, and will never be.

    • @santiagobracho5964
      @santiagobracho5964 12 днів тому +5

      I think if you had done 20 entries then Millenials would have won. Gen X has the 90s generations and the heavy hitters but IMO 2010s/millennial had a stronger class of "mid-tier rappers". I think once we got to Wiki, YOD, Denzel Curry, Vince Staples, Joey Bada$$, Mac Miller, Chief Keef the 90s list isn't as impressive.

    • @amanarya7206
      @amanarya7206 12 днів тому +3

      You did a couple misplays. Should've saved Kendrick (maybe for 2Pac), maybe could've got big with J cole (longevity and seemingly still a lot of fire to create. While BIG was shy about beef)
      I agree there's a case for Future over Rakim (Rakim's influence is undeniable. But a lot of people where experimenting with rap at the time and only a little later, and when we credit Rakim's flow so much we overlook the contributions of Kool G Rap, Ultramagnetic MC's, heiroglyphics crew and Freestyle fellowship.) Still don't downplay Rakim. 2 classic albums.
      Tyler washes Eminem. Em is a great but needs to be put in context. Look at what Pharoahe Monch had been doing. Myka 9. Aesop Rock. Juggaknots. Company Flow. Black Star. MF DOOM. The underground was full of artists who where incredible technical spitters (most of whom went on to have a far stronger discography). Tyler over Em anyday. But not Tyler over DOOM, El-P or Mos
      I think Weezy against Jay Z was never gonna work.
      Nikki vs Lauryn was a tough one. A draw is probably fair.,
      Most of Griselda was born in '82 so there was access to that. Could've used Danny Brown , or Lupe Fiasco too. I think an issue is that bunch of Millennials still have a lot of work left to do to prove their point- JID, Cole, Playboi Carti...

  • @SalamanderLights
    @SalamanderLights 12 днів тому +21

    I'm a millennial. I expected we would lose.

  • @yugfus
    @yugfus 12 днів тому +46

    Green had the better argument on Nicki vs. Lauryn.

    • @Dipsoid
      @Dipsoid 12 днів тому +5

      1000% Nicki doesn't have the artistry of Lauryn, but as an emcee she's one of the greatest ever and a much better emcee.

  • @felipecagorago
    @felipecagorago 12 днів тому +13

    i like Rakim more personally but I think that Future's influence was highly undermined here. After Wayne there isn't a single MC that wasn't influenced by him in some shape or way, till this day we see tons of Future copycats all over the place, I would give it to him on that alone. AND Tyler is the better artist, they changed the standard for everyone lmao. And Wayne IS more influential than Jay-z and isn't about 15 years old, I'm talking about every MC from the 2010s (Including KDot), saying that Jay is that much influential is CRAZY

  • @inigoquixote5451
    @inigoquixote5451 12 днів тому +16

    You two need to try this game again, but bring 3-5 judges so you two don't have to try to be objective about giving yourself points. That and each giving yourself an afternoon to prepare a real strategy, maybe doing a set of these with a theme (best of regions, best of subgenres, best of underground or consious or groups). It's a very compelling game format for conversation, it's just begging for semi-impartial judges.

    • @inigoquixote5451
      @inigoquixote5451 11 днів тому +1

      After thinking about it more, that would get too crowded. 1 guest judge for each topic, and then you play it like Apples to Apples or Cards Against Humanity where you're intentionally playing to the judge would probably be the right balance of fun/entertaining. But obviously I find the format interesting enough that I'm still thinking about it 5 hours later.

  • @milk-ub9zo
    @milk-ub9zo 12 днів тому +9

    Gen X artists had more time to build a legacy and a certain type of mystic stature so it isn't completely fair to compare with newer artists that are still sometimes in the middle of their career and haven't been around for long enough to be at a "classic" stature.

  • @alkumhcounseling8634
    @alkumhcounseling8634 15 днів тому +13

    Yo, just found this channel recently, keep up the good work🫡

  • @retromike1
    @retromike1 12 днів тому +9

    No love for Lupe Fiasco vs Cube? Perfect time to bring out the Lupe card.

    • @mogamatyusufmartin9171
      @mogamatyusufmartin9171 10 днів тому +1

      Lupe Fiasco is 🔥 if it wasn't for him I would have ever worried about hip hop music in today's era (2010- now)
      Ice cube is ok

  • @magienoire7092
    @magienoire7092 15 днів тому +7

    I'm gen Z, but since I'm my parents' late child (they met when Dad was 40), I grew up listening to old-school hip-hop, so Pac will forever be my idol and number 1, and I'll remember all the conversations about him and what Dad taught me. However, at the same time, I can appreciate and respect the next generation of rappers. This year, Kendrick Lamar became my top 2, which is a shock to me, since my entire top 5 consisted of og rappers before that.
    What I want to say is that both generations of hip-hop are great, but it's difficult for many people, including me, to look at it objectively, since the influence of the old school on our lives and musical taste was very strong. In particular, the older generations who lived at that time or people who were directly influenced by this generation, such as in my case. I'm 24 years old now, and many people of my generation consider my taste in music to be old-fashioned, but that's what I grew up with and what influenced me the most.
    Perhaps because I'm a separate generation, it's easier for me to have mixed lists of top rappers and not think about which of these two generations is better, but I still have a bias for my top 1.

  • @Mogkween
    @Mogkween 12 днів тому +35

    I think Nikki should have won. Lauryn hill is amazing but so is Nikki. And Nikki has shaped almost this entire generation of female rappers. Even Doechii not just the cardis and Megan’s

    • @thoomolong
      @thoomolong 12 днів тому +10

      Nikki got all of her ideas and imagery from Lil'Kim and Missy Elliot, Left Eye, Salt n Pepa and Da Brat. Her rhymes are weak compared to Lauryn Hill.

    • @UhOhJacquinette
      @UhOhJacquinette 12 днів тому +1

      @@thoomolongfaaaaaacts!

    • @Msboochie2
      @Msboochie2 3 дні тому

      ⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@thoomolongWhile Nicki was paying homage with some of her photos and look, she didn’t get ALL of that from her predecessors. She definitely came through with her own ideas and elevated some of those older ideas to a level the other female rappers never imagined. Her delivery, unique flows, and versatility and catalog is something Lauryn doesn’t have. Giving Lauryn credit for Wyclef’s work with the Fugees, is unfair when he curated their sound and did a great deal of the writing, and she was sued for not crediting writers on the Miseducation of Lauryn Hill.
      In terms of imagery, the same be said for Lauryn Hill in terms of imagery. Women weren’t walking around trying to look like Lauryn the way women wanted to dress like Nicki, Foxy, Kim, and Salt N Pepa. Nicki and Missy are the only two that are known to write all their rap verses, and with Missy I’m assuming because I’ve never heard otherwise. Nicki is a far better rapper than Missy. Missy is a better overall artist.
      Nicki has had a longevity as a rapper that none of the others have come close too. She just finished one of the most international successful hip hop tours ever. Lauryn won’t show up for work, when she has shows. Salt N Pepa really kicked off the oldies tours, and are always touring because many venues weren’t available to rappers back in the day. Missy had to cancel so the remainder of her national tour with Busta and Ciara because the tickets weren’t selling, which is insane to me. Nicki is setting precedents and knocking down doors that girls like Doechii will benefit from. That has to be acknowledged.

  • @spiffany7846
    @spiffany7846 12 днів тому +8

    As a ‘82 cusp millennial, Toure’s wild cheating and goalpost-moving was mad triggering. As a lover of deeper conversations about hip hop, this was a fantastic episode🖤

  • @justfeelingirie
    @justfeelingirie 12 днів тому +20

    yall need to reupload the jayz v wayne segment with 'we cry together' instrumental in the background 🤣🤣

  • @Eniola_Said_So
    @Eniola_Said_So 12 днів тому +7

    Coming out the gate with KDot against Big was like using the little joker to cut clubs early in a spades game.

    • @KingxGreen
      @KingxGreen 11 днів тому +3

      My nigga.. I panicked 😅

  • @Sew_OzzyWar_Made_This
    @Sew_OzzyWar_Made_This 11 днів тому +4

    Watching this is like watching cousins arguing over who's favorite rapper is better and why... Oh 😅😂 too nostalgic

  • @lo9251
    @lo9251 11 днів тому +1

    im totally riding with this idea, i love it! been asking my friends today to pull the best MCs from each generation on a VARIETY of points! Someone said this to me yesterday and I totally agree: we need sub genres in hip hop!!!
    ty for the awesome episode and great questions!

  • @Danny71891
    @Danny71891 12 днів тому +7

    Isn’t Lupe Fiasco a millennial? He could have beaten someone on that Gen X list.

  • @Goshin89
    @Goshin89 12 днів тому +12

    Game was rigged😢 we didn't stand chance

  • @RblastonYT
    @RblastonYT 12 днів тому +13

    I feel like Tyler vs. Em could be argued more

    • @Apollo0nline
      @Apollo0nline 12 днів тому +1

      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @mrlofi333
      @mrlofi333 12 днів тому +2

      Tyler’s rapping has gotten better but nah

    • @RblastonYT
      @RblastonYT 11 днів тому +3

      @ I think we underrate how much Tyler can make people feel with his delivery and to me performance is also apart of being MC. I feel like Tyler has been on a good streak the last couple years that can put him in the conversation

    • @spiffany7846
      @spiffany7846 11 днів тому +2

      @@RblastonYT Agree - I know it’s crazy to say this in hip hop but lyrical *dexterity* is being extremely heavily weighted here, perhaps too much. Like sure, it’s super impressive to be able to rap circles around everyone but it’s not just speed and agility, it’s not just size of your vocabulary, it’s those things and also having a unique *sounding* voice (not saying Em doesn’t but), it’s also being able to embody different characters with your voice and use it as a legitimate instrument (Dot and Tyler wash pretty much everybody on this), it’s also storytelling ability, it’s also beat selection and knowing what complements your voice best, it’s also growth in your lyricism and subject matter over the course of a career, it’s also having a genuine artistic point of view, and it’s also being able to connect emotionally with an audience. Eminem does like half of these things incredibly well, but the other half? Let’s just be real… groundbreaking as his run was in his prime I’m just not sure he means as much to the culture as Tyler - who by the way might not even BE at his peak right now…

    • @carlosdasilva4866
      @carlosdasilva4866 9 днів тому

      You could argue has much as you want but it wouldn’t change the result.

  • @BuzzT-q1k
    @BuzzT-q1k 12 днів тому +13

    Gen X is the golden hip hop era, they’ll never be another better..that’s like going up against the 90s bulls..

    • @G_e_o_r_g_i_e
      @G_e_o_r_g_i_e 12 днів тому +2

      Toure could’ve just named members of the Wu Tang Clan against every Millennial rapper and Gen-X still would’ve won 😂😂😂

  • @billleetch4526
    @billleetch4526 12 днів тому +5

    Might be time for hip hop to do what rock did. The diliniation of "Classic Rock" really put a a line in the sand that allowed a division in the eras even though the influence was still there. Also allowed a "genre" label, even if it isn't actually very cohesive, for younger people to discover the classic artists from which is how you got all these high school kids to this day rocking with acts like Led Zepplin and the Beatles. Allowing for the creation of "Classic Rap" fans who at a young age will find their people who agree and start allowing these arguments to be had with people their own age as instead of it always being between people in different generations.

    • @mrlofi333
      @mrlofi333 12 днів тому +1

      I believe it already is classic 90’s rnb and hiphop

  • @home-818
    @home-818 12 днів тому +6

    If lupe fiasco doesn’t get played...

  • @oso1165
    @oso1165 12 днів тому +3

    So glad i had this channel suggested to me. Love it

  • @RTop40
    @RTop40 9 днів тому

    8:54 😂
    I knew I was going to like this video before I even watched all of it, because I have been having this conversation with myself for a long time now.

  • @Dipsoid
    @Dipsoid 12 днів тому +2

    Dude, there is no way Future's impact even comes close to the impact that Rakim had. I say this as a millennial who was in single digits when Rakim was changing the game.

  • @EHelm07
    @EHelm07 12 днів тому +4

    The Millenial hand could have been played better but he also deserved a couple of those points lol

  • @home-818
    @home-818 12 днів тому +4

    Where is DMX in this convo? We need a part 8 😂

  • @chrismoungle2721
    @chrismoungle2721 11 днів тому +2

    Y’all need a third person to vote, that Tyler vs em debate was actually a good vs

  • @taerikee
    @taerikee 12 днів тому +5

    Was not expecting Earl Sweatshirt

  • @Anthonystark63
    @Anthonystark63 11 днів тому +2

    I feel like milennials have names but they never lived up to the hype or aren't there yet😢: big sean, wale, lil baby, rhapsody, asap rocky, joey badass, troy ave, vic mensa, vince staples, pardison Fontaine, kid cudi

  • @simpkinsfranklin
    @simpkinsfranklin 11 днів тому +3

    Should’ve said Wayne vs Rakim better comparison especially influence everyone started rapping like Wayne when he was in his prime

  • @jamesmarie
    @jamesmarie 12 днів тому +1

    You’re gotcha bruh. The Golden Era has ranged of MCs from top tier to the one hit wonders.

  • @Star-hg1kt
    @Star-hg1kt 12 днів тому +2

    Not far when they have MF DOOM, Nas, Pac, Biggie, Jay , Em etc etc to no end. Its the golden era for a reason

  • @iterrorbyte278
    @iterrorbyte278 12 днів тому +4

    Great discussion however the debate was a bit flawed considering the shifting goal posts. If being true to the art of hip hop emceeing , the debate should be limited to two metrics: lyricism and delivery. All other points serves are mere subjective distractions - for instance, numbers in support of otherwise dismal attributes.
    Furthermore, I would argue, the numbers game - sells, productivity, longevity, etc - is not representative of talent, relevance, or impact. Instead, numbers are a reflection of popularity driven by technological and marketing advancements coupled with genre maturity.
    For instance, drake numbers are inflated as he was added to unrelated playlists. In the surface, that’s a strong metric, but the hidden details aren’t as favorable. Imagine Common (a true conscience lyricist) being given the same push and marketing budget and international exposure as drake. Imagine PAC having direct to consumer platforms that socials provide.

  • @Ay.patron
    @Ay.patron 11 днів тому +3

    I woulda put Kanye v Rakim if we’re talking influence, I don’t think I gotta explain that right?

    • @Ay.patron
      @Ay.patron 11 днів тому

      Also! Woulda put Lupe v Cube idk bout this one though 😂

    • @Dom-i7d
      @Dom-i7d 9 днів тому

      Kanye was born in 77 so he's a baby gen X, wouldn't count.

  • @juice.global
    @juice.global 12 днів тому +3

    My dawgs pulled out the big Jokers off the dribble lmao.. Dot & Pac out the gate lmao.

  • @beartea9169
    @beartea9169 12 днів тому +3

    17:58
    Tyler VS Eminem
    Holistically Tyler wins by far.
    Technically: while eminem does take this, I think that Tyler’s ability is much underrated as a spitter. More importantly, however, technical ability in the weighing of a rappers holistic evaluation can only be weighted so high if the art created through it is just not as good.
    Influence: A rapper’s role in the creation of their art is so under plaid in the debate. While the aesthetic leaning of either artist is weighed subjectively I think that it’s evidently clear that the world created by Tyler and the artist which followed to inhabit it is far more impactful and meaningful then Eminem’s. Not only was it more of a departure to the norm of the culture than Eminem was but the artist which in suit were hell more impactful than the pool of white artist that Eminem brought in (jack harlow). And I want to stress the irrelevance of the market opened by Eminem in this conversation due to the cultural decline it would bring in the rise of jack Harlow Mgk etc (watch white rapper paradox by FD)
    Artistically: Tyler washes Eminem by a lot. It’s important to note that artistry as a rapper does not purely refer to the ability to create bars but more so their ability to creat a cohesive work that works hand in hand with the beats, production,narrative. Now this is done through the selection of beats, album sequencing, and the complimentary-ness of bars and production in service to the song/album. To be honest comparing the best of both artist not only do I think that Eminem has weaker album sequencing or thorough artistic vision but ability to spit in service to a song. Whilst Eminem can slide on any beat there’s a reason why u can’t hear a Tyler beat without his rhymes. That’s how well Tyler consistently raps to create not the best bars but best songs. And in the evaluation of a rapper as genre artist is more important than the technical ability Eminem has.
    In conclusion I think the only reason Eminem could win is due to his technical ability but as admitted in debate, CLASSICS matter more and…that’s not the only thing that matters when it comes to creating CLASSICS. TYLER WINS great vid tho

  • @lovehephzibah5601
    @lovehephzibah5601 12 днів тому +5

    1985 Hey At least we get Kendrick Lamar🤩

  • @andrewdavey9765
    @andrewdavey9765 12 днів тому +7

    No Lupe is insane he clears Rakim, Lauryn, and Cube as an MC and has classics and longevity. It probably would have only added one extra point for millennials but is essential.

    • @mrlofi333
      @mrlofi333 12 днів тому

      Only because he listened and learned from them

  • @azhammill
    @azhammill 3 дні тому

    Being 41 years old, I remember before eBay, and Napster being a 15 year old hunting for Main Source, “Breaking Atoms” every time I’d hit the mall with our 4 music stores (and Circuit City 🤣) hoping to find it in the used cd section, because it was out of print they couldn’t just order it. It was the excitement of trying to find the one 4.5 Mic album I didn’t know from the list of all the other 4.5 Mic reviews, and the historical cultural significance of having Nas on “Live at the Barbecue”. Crazy that are kids will never experience that! Thank and reading the credits to find out who produced it, and who they sampled.

    • @azhammill
      @azhammill 3 дні тому

      Damn I can’t find Breaking Atoms on Spotify!?!?!

  • @hasanishakur9985
    @hasanishakur9985 11 днів тому +1

    I'm 32 a millennial and dot is the only millennial I fw. Other than than since I was a kid PAC been my absolute fav then Jay big and nas.

  • @ess-pee-arr
    @ess-pee-arr 7 днів тому

    This was a really cool mental exercise. As part of Gen X I knew Touré had the upper hand, but I think King Green could have gotten some more washes. I would have thrown Rapsody up against Ms. Hill for instance. Also using Dot out the gate was crazy work, Green effectively bled his own hand.

  • @Danny71891
    @Danny71891 12 днів тому

    I’m only 12 minutes in but this is great. Love this idea for a conversation and video. 👏

  • @coolnesss16
    @coolnesss16 11 днів тому +2

    As a millennial I have to say Gen X washes Millennials😅

  • @home-818
    @home-818 12 днів тому +5

    Not a rapper but I would pit Solange's A Seat At The Table to Miseducation

  • @ldn_vin
    @ldn_vin 12 днів тому +2

    Man....put me tf in coach! Millennials were not appropriately represented here. Green's arms are too short for this boxing match so he goes into full on victim mode.

  • @MosaicButterfly
    @MosaicButterfly 12 днів тому +15

    King Green was def getting bullied a bit 😂 But as a mid-millenial myself, I still thoroughly enjoyed this face off (even though our roster was struggling a bit 😅).
    These would be my picks:
    1. Kendrick (over BIG)
    2. Tupac (over Drake)
    3. Future/Rakim(tie)- King Green's argument was very valid here
    4. Nas (over Cole)
    5. Nicki (over Lauryn 😢) - And I say this as someone who LIVED by Miseducation, super tough
    6. 3k (over Gambino) - easy, lol
    7. Em (over Tyler)
    8. Jay/Wayne (tie) - this one was real tough too. I didn't appreciate Wayne more 'til I got older, but Jay was more present in my youth. Couldn't really choose.
    9. ScHoolboy Q (over Cube)
    10. Ghostface (over Earl)
    "I said J Cole already?" 😂😂

    • @hthee3rd
      @hthee3rd 11 днів тому +1

      Schoolboy wouldn’t put himself over Cube

    • @MosaicButterfly
      @MosaicButterfly 11 днів тому

      @@hthee3rd I agree, he probably wouldn't out of respect

  • @jamesmarie
    @jamesmarie 12 днів тому +2

    The Boomers had The Last Poet and Gil Scott Heron. Gen X got Hip Hop, all the elements.

  • @jcmurie
    @jcmurie 12 днів тому +2

    I think it's hard to argue against the golden era of hip hop, and while many of them paved the way for some millenials and gen z to surpass them, the amount of legendary MCs is just impossible to contend with. We may have Kendrick, JID, Mac Miller, Tyler, Cole, Nicki, Wayne, Lupe, Denzel Curry, Little Simz, Freddie Gibbs, Danny Brown (barely, he was '81), and even JPEGMAFIA if you wanna go underground/experimental, there's also Daveed Diggs (who really deserves more top 10, or at least top 50 consideration), but they had all of that and more, and they've had the luxury of becoming legends in their own right. I think part of it is the overcommercialization of hip hop and the music industry in general in the 2000s and 2010s led to a lot of artists who were good, but not great becoming massively popular. I think Kendrick's battle to get hip hop back to its roots, as well as the individualism and democratization of media and art via accessible technology and social media, will lead to gen z and gen alpha leading a new wave of great artists that could potentially go toe to toe with a generation like gen x. Only time will tell though

    • @jcmurie
      @jcmurie 12 днів тому

      I wanted to include more underground MCs, but most of the ones I think are good enough to compare (billy woods, Ka, Ride) are all actually gen x who just got started later in life

  • @commanderbubz6040
    @commanderbubz6040 12 днів тому +1

    I think but I could be wrong a good equivalent for Rakim, would be Kid Cudi. After Cudi and Kanye’s collaboration during 808’s, Man on the Moon 1 & 2 the change in hip hop was massive; even though arguably it was a relatively short time in terms of impact for a producer, rapper duo. It gave way to so many Artist’s style and career including Future and Drake. I could have a major blind spot on this one tho (Cudi’s my favorite artist.)

  • @keenakelly3428
    @keenakelly3428 9 днів тому +1

    Toure, a couple of things: I am a Gen Xer and I loved this game! You played it Xtremely XXy! I have a comment, though: I would have matched Dr. Dre' against Future when he started talking about beats and production as a qualifier. Further, I believe Snoop Dogg and/or LL Cool J could have beat Drake, too. Lol... Also, Where would T.I and/or Luda Chris fall? Are they Xers or Millennials? Lastly, was DMX your unmentioned card? He was mine. Please respond. Would love to hear your take.

  • @antionette_B1
    @antionette_B1 9 днів тому

    Green made a great point. As a group, Xers haven't done a good enough job championing our greats like the boomers did. Boomers weren't interested in keeping up with all the newer acts & forced their music on us growing up. Hence the reason why their music is so intertwined & sampled so much into hip hop. .

  • @jayohen13
    @jayohen13 4 години тому

    So much more about this than how old the rappers are is millennial vs gen x

  • @jcmurie
    @jcmurie 12 днів тому +1

    It's a shame Green couldn't pick from Gen Z, cause he would've won that last battle with Yuno Miles

  • @BluEx22329
    @BluEx22329 11 днів тому +1

    Generation x will always feel some type of way about this since hip hop started in that generation

  • @barlowwws9999
    @barlowwws9999 12 днів тому +3

    So next is boomers vs alpha?
    Curtis blow vs the rizzler?

  • @felixd.4150
    @felixd.4150 12 днів тому +4

    How are you going to create a game where you compared two generations and automatically have the older generation win each comparison because of influence and legend status?

    • @mrlofi333
      @mrlofi333 12 днів тому

      It is what it is

    • @Star-hg1kt
      @Star-hg1kt 12 днів тому

      You can take out influence & longevity. Album & lyricist by far its not close 🤣. How about u try with top 10 best lyrics & albums 🙄

  • @bohhnybro
    @bohhnybro 12 днів тому +2

    although i agree that jay absolutely washes wayne, green had a lot of good arguments for wayne future and niki. not saying they’re overall greater artists but i think being a great MC requires a lot more than just making a great piece of art. the cultural impact is huge and you cannot tell 75% of gen z’ers that future is not the greatest rapper alive

  • @charliedalencour5141
    @charliedalencour5141 3 дні тому

    this was validdd i think y’all gotta do something like this with a judge tho. FD woulda been perfect for this

  • @Grogeous_Maximus
    @Grogeous_Maximus 12 днів тому +1

    "Oldness" lmao

  • @btrxzeight9170
    @btrxzeight9170 2 дні тому

    Toure asked a simple question who is a better MC. Green wanted to change the goalpost.

  • @baytinsopo
    @baytinsopo 12 днів тому

    Who's the better jazz pianist, Robert Glasper or Duke Ellington? That's how this convo is coming across...to ME (talking about different generations thoughts)

  • @densabre
    @densabre 9 днів тому

    first of all, really love the idea. but as others said, some goal posts were moved. imo you should have swapped generations to make this more interesting and avoid personal bias. plus it'd be fun :)

  • @SeanLKearns
    @SeanLKearns 12 днів тому +1

    As a 28 yr old zoomer. I hate to point out but both of these arguments ignore the best rappers of both generations... DOOM, AND LIL B.

  • @teet9235
    @teet9235 12 днів тому +2

    GenX is unmatched and they are still going

  • @WheresClarke
    @WheresClarke 12 днів тому +3

    This might be the only UA-cam comment I ever write ✍🏽 .
    Toure, you def cheated on multiple rounds and I'll outline how:
    Nicki v Lauryn: Nicki has more sons. The Nicki Minaj variants are having successful careers because she truly created a new lane for MUSIC. Nicki has a longer career because she's one of the best feature artists of all time and consistently raising her own bar. Nicki has a more impactful career. Many people don't credit her for this, but Nicki Minaj is one of the first celebrities to interact with fans via social media (OG Twitter days). She created a mold. Lauryn Hill is a great emcee but two amazing albums (one of which being mostly R&B songs) does not make a better career.
    Tyler v Em: Tyler is a better edgelord artist (which is what Eminem did for majority of his popular songs). Tyler is a better performer. Tyler is a better musician. Hip hop is music. The better musician will always win.
    Wayne v Jay Z: I love Jay-Z, but as a Chicago girl who's spent a lot of my life in the South...he's not touching Wayne as far as impact. I think we fail to realize that the South will forever be a tastemaker as far as what's impactful in hip-hop. Andre told y'all that The South has something to say but it's still crickets whenever it's time to give a Southern rapper their praise. Kids know Wayne bars. The youth ain't listening to Jay fr. Wayne has launched two of hip hop's most successful careers. Not a positive flex but a whole generation of folks were double cupped because of WAYNE. Jay Z didn't touch culture in the same way, even though Rocawear was had the cute puffer coats. Nobody can convince me that Jay Z musically means as much to people as Wayne.

  • @ravbruh6357
    @ravbruh6357 12 днів тому +2

    Btw the goat fem emcee is missy elliot

  • @PeculiAair
    @PeculiAair 12 днів тому +1

    I'm a Millenial (32), but in what universe does Kendrick "WASH" (4:15 - 4:18) B.I.G.?

  • @mohamedfahad2364
    @mohamedfahad2364 11 днів тому

    I love this episode

  • @baytinsopo
    @baytinsopo 12 днів тому

    I always get confused in this "who the best" when talking about rappers...vs. Real MCs

  • @ayaamani4075
    @ayaamani4075 11 днів тому

    i think it’s a little unfair how Toure focused on the younger end of gen z as if the oldest of the generation aren’t 26 year olds who definitely are old enough to have takes that shouldn’t be discredited

  • @zzzz__lou
    @zzzz__lou 11 днів тому

    Toure really think “Sasquatch, Godzilla, King Kong, Loch Ness” was a bar 🤣

  • @KTJ_1
    @KTJ_1 11 днів тому +1

    Don't sleep on Em as a producer.

  • @roflpofl1337
    @roflpofl1337 10 днів тому

    I think this would have been perfect if King Green also had time to prepare. I would have liked to see him throw out a Pusha T or Lupe Fiasco, given that they were just within the age gap!

  • @405tygadacat
    @405tygadacat 11 днів тому

    Is Green really out here acting like Tupac is an Area 51 level secret to Gen Z?

  • @Fezaki
    @Fezaki 11 днів тому

    I think Green could've picked better names but Toure was definitely tripping sometimes

  • @thoomolong
    @thoomolong 12 днів тому +1

    They should have 1 or 3 other people (judges) on the stream to break the ties.

  • @GumboMonster504
    @GumboMonster504 9 днів тому

    Toure played green on Wayne argument AND the Nicki argument

  • @JimMunchow
    @JimMunchow 9 днів тому +1

    Little Simz could have taken Ms. Hill
    Freddie Gibbs over Cube
    Just a couple that came to mind.

  • @felisafulton2131
    @felisafulton2131 11 днів тому +1

    I love this game! This is so cool

  • @ImBlueDontBe
    @ImBlueDontBe 11 днів тому

    Older brother bullying type game lmao

  • @ariedmck
    @ariedmck 11 днів тому

    I really like the way Green thinks. Future could’ve beat Rakim based on your reasoning.

  • @forgottenclown9115
    @forgottenclown9115 12 днів тому

    Trying to formulate King Greens argument: You need a generation of successful 'sons' to canonize the 'fathers.' Millennials did this for Gen X, but the Zoomers haven't taken over the game enough to do the same.

  • @tanyabc
    @tanyabc 12 днів тому +3

    My millennial brother, you let this old Gen Xer bully you out of points. Future should've been a tie. Nicki was a clear winner. Tyler beats Eminem for the culture.

    • @KingxGreen
      @KingxGreen 12 днів тому +2

      @@tanyabc I was told to respect my elders 🤷🏾‍♂️

    • @tanyabc
      @tanyabc 12 днів тому +1

      @@KingxGreen and i bet it was an elder who told you that. convenient.

    • @KingxGreen
      @KingxGreen 11 днів тому

      @@tanyabc ahahah

  • @lo9251
    @lo9251 11 днів тому

    Killer Mike : Ice Cube
    Drake : LL Cool J
    Kdot : 2Pac
    Mos Def : Rakim
    Future : Missy Elliot
    J Cole : Nas
    Kanye : Notorious BIG
    Lil Wayne : Craig Mack
    Nicki Minaj : T.I.
    Black Thought : Andre 3k
    Tyler : Left Eye
    Eminem : Rhapsody
    Megan Thee Stallion : Will Smith
    Carti : Busta Rhymes

  • @britbratget2kno
    @britbratget2kno 12 днів тому

    Also, really only mention 2 female MCs?? Where was Missy? Where was Kim? Meg & Doechii & Flo

  • @dereksmith510
    @dereksmith510 9 днів тому

    3:25 If you're gonna use a heavy hitter off rip it would've been more strategic to use J.Cole, Kendrick should be the ace in the hole.

  • @PAIDforeverRob
    @PAIDforeverRob 11 днів тому

    Dot first Card for the Mills is FLUCK🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @enderprefect342
    @enderprefect342 11 днів тому

    boy, we needed a boomer to come in and play this old head card over toure so we could get the real story 😂

  • @hasanishakur9985
    @hasanishakur9985 11 днів тому

    I remember damn well born in the 90s hearing all the time " hip hop is the music of the youth. It speaks for them." Now toure tryna say the youth doesn't matter smh. Now I'm 32, I'm stuck in the 90s/early2000s and proud but I don't diss Gen z music my ears just don't understand it and I let them have they shit and keep it movin. But I don't diss it. Now when I'm at work and my zoomer coworkers get curious about what I'm listening to I'll put them on but I don't tell them " fuck that shit u listening too you should be listening too..." That's not what a "UNC" or big bro should do in my opinion.

  • @sK0pe-d9b
    @sK0pe-d9b 11 днів тому

    Green forgot Ab Soul, Wale, Pusha T and a few others that could have made for more compelling arguments.
    Tyler you could have argued actually produces and sings as well.
    However I'm a Millennial and agree that Gen X takes it.

  • @wonderfulperspectives2674
    @wonderfulperspectives2674 12 днів тому +1

    I couldn’t watch this slaughter. Gen X has no real competition.

  • @treyway8146
    @treyway8146 12 днів тому +1

    We never got real guidelines on how this is judged. I kept hearing the word MC, but it was bouncing everywhere. Green you lost either way my guy, but it was a closer in my opinion. lol

  • @farfromdunn
    @farfromdunn 11 днів тому +2

    How did you not use Lupe for millennials!? Toure couldn't deny Lupe without looking absolutely crazy