Very Helpful. I have tried everything short of dynomite to remove that blasted nut....even broke a breaker bar...no budge! UPDATE: took it to a local large truck shop, they had off in less than 30 seconds and no charge!...helps to have the right tools!
I have watched many cylinder rebuild videos and while all have been informative, you have explained in such a way that it makes sense. Thank you for your effort.
This video is fantastic, the detail he provides explaining which direction to put the internal seals was helpful. I almost put the wrong outer seal on my cylinder, but he mentioned to use the fat one so I caught that before finishing. Thanks for the great video, I would have never figured out how to get the cylinder back into the bore. :)
I am SO glad I watched your video! Got tired of paying $360 - $490 to have cylinders rebuilt at John Deere dealer. The most important thing I learned from ti's video is the "tool" plastic ring, used to fill the internal snap ring slot, for gland removal. I would have been pulling my hair out, and probably ruined a few tools that I might have accidentally thrown across the shop... lol. Thank You so much, once again!
Thanks for this video bud. Well done. Rebuilt two cylinders on my 512 loader first try. You made bending those internal gland seals look easy. I had a hard time but used a zip tie to squeeze it in half, then I was able to bend the two halves together and get it inserted into the groove. Carefully cut the zip tie and it all just fell into place. Much appreciated!!
Right, I mean I thought my hands were strong from punching a keyboard all day. After about 5 minutes mangling that thing my hands were beat and I started trying to see how I could do it with some pliers. I did manage to get it in there without using a tool, but this dude got it in there in 30 seconds or so.
Thanks for the great video!! I have a JD400 tractor with a Brantly 420 loader and I’m sure the lift cylinders need rebuilding. I’ve been looking for a video that deals with this size and style of cylinders. Much appreciated. Great description and presentation. Thanks again. 🙂👍🏻👍🏻
Awesome video very helpful and I save my boss loads of money doing this in house. I do have a question are the lift cylinders the exact same on or are there differences.
I really like your video - better than three others I watched. However, I am still at a loss on when you remove that orange tool that you talk about inserting inside the cylinder at 5:30 min to help get the inner snap ring past that point. No one mentions taking that back out of the cylinder.
@@ffrepeat Thank you very much for your response. I still don't have the parts but I have watched a number of other videos. Your video is by far the most detailed and that suits me very well given I am worried about doing it wrong. One guy cleaned the inside of the cylinder with brake cleaner. Is that what you used?
Thanks for the great video. I put the rod back on the machine to hold it while using a breaker bar w/ cheater to pop that nut loose after some good heat. My impact wouldn't do it.
Thanks for putting this video up. It was very helpful. My local dealer in Van Alstyne, Texas had the kit in stock. This is for Bucket Cylinder 420 Loader 013054 - ST406437 with rebuilt kit part# AH176344. Be warned, the kit doesn't come with a gland removal tool. You have to buy it separately. Maybe another kit has it included but the one I got didn't have it.
Wow what a great video. Thank you. I found your video searching for a, “spongy and slow response to front loader bucket.” When I have a heavy load in the bucket and drive over uneven ground I can see there is a lot of bounce to the bucket wanting to rotate downward. Do you think it’s the front loader dumping pistons causing it?
If it holds its position with weight it’s not the pistons. I would observe what it’s doing and make sure something isn’t flexing. What kind of loader is it?
We are repairing cylinders from a 158 JD loader - the outer snap ring on ours does not have the holes in it to grab with the snap ring tool to spread it- do you have any suggestions as to how to get that back on? We’re having a dilly of a time trying to get it back in place.
Try these LEONTOOL 11-Inch Lock Ring Pliers Flat Snap Ring Pliers Special Circlip Pliers Reverse Pliers Angle Tip Retaining Ring Pliers Ring Opening Pliers Spreader Pliers for Transmission Transfer Cases a.co/d/5re7T8i
I used regular snap ring pliers that have the pins. Just below the pins, they have a flat area that worked great for those round snap rings. To compress the internal snap ring, I found that a CV joint clamp worked the best for me. It is thin enough to slide partway into the end of the cylinder.
That was going to be my question. Hopefully a good quality reliable seal kit not from JD, Amazing or eBay and hopefully definitely not since made in Chy-Na! 😂 Being your question was a month ago with by response I guess we might be out there with Bob Dylan and left blowing in the wind! 😂
At 18:40 - "There is a tool for this, but I never use it." I may need to order it. I've spent about 45 minutes trying to get this seal to behave. I am working on a smaller diameter cylinder so maybe it is especially hateful. What is this tool called?
hurts my heart. i tried and tried but mine would not go in any further. was like a suction that was fighting me in or out. ended up just dropping it off. $270 was the damage. and now i know i have another problem as the piston won’t extend up (out). only down (in). unless i reverse the lines. 😭
Now, if that ain’t the manliest flex I’ve ever seen now I do have trigger finger in my middle finger on both hands plus carpal tunnel and Dupatrends disease but most times and I’ve done those seals multiple times without those tools and without a zip tie but this one time I had to use a zip tie because I stood there for about five minutes trying to do it your way and I could not get that done
Yes you had a lot of great tech pointers but we failed 6 times and gave up what a stupid design everytime it tore the tool up we had to buy multiples of the tool and still failed ☹
I have a 1978 70 series john Deere skid steer. Trying to put new seals in lift arm cylinders It has the spanner nut at the end . It turns and turns and will not come off. I can't see a lock ring any where. What am I missing
Show from the beginning, like taking off the spanner nut, need to redo 1978 70 series john Deere lift arm cylinders, can't see any spanner rings on this model. Spanner nut turns and turns but won't come off any ideas thanks jim
Very Helpful. I have tried everything short of dynomite to remove that blasted nut....even broke a breaker bar...no budge! UPDATE: took it to a local large truck shop, they had off in less than 30 seconds and no charge!...helps to have the right tools!
I’ve watched all the videos and yours was a good one all the content needed and not long winded.
I have watched many cylinder rebuild videos and while all have been informative, you have explained in such a way that it makes sense. Thank you for your effort.
Very good explanation of how to do this replacement of seals.
This video is fantastic, the detail he provides explaining which direction to put the internal seals was helpful. I almost put the wrong outer seal on my cylinder, but he mentioned to use the fat one so I caught that before finishing. Thanks for the great video, I would have never figured out how to get the cylinder back into the bore. :)
I am SO glad I watched your video! Got tired of paying $360 - $490 to have cylinders rebuilt at John Deere dealer. The most important thing I learned from ti's video is the "tool" plastic ring, used to fill the internal snap ring slot, for gland removal. I would have been pulling my hair out, and probably ruined a few tools that I might have accidentally thrown across the shop... lol. Thank You so much, once again!
This video assisted me in rebuilding both my front end loader cylinders on 3238E. Thanks for posting such a detailed video!
Great job on explaining the process. Very helpful.
Thanks for this video bud. Well done. Rebuilt two cylinders on my 512 loader first try. You made bending those internal gland seals look easy. I had a hard time but used a zip tie to squeeze it in half, then I was able to bend the two halves together and get it inserted into the groove. Carefully cut the zip tie and it all just fell into place. Much appreciated!!
Right, I mean I thought my hands were strong from punching a keyboard all day. After about 5 minutes mangling that thing my hands were beat and I started trying to see how I could do it with some pliers. I did manage to get it in there without using a tool, but this dude got it in there in 30 seconds or so.
Best video for rebuilding my John Deere loader tilt cylinder. Lots of tricks learned, great delivery, instills confidence....thank you very much!
Great video! Just rebuilt all of my front loaders cylinders with no errors thanks to this video
Thanks for the great video!! I have a JD400 tractor with a Brantly 420 loader and I’m sure the lift cylinders need rebuilding. I’ve been looking for a video that deals with this size and style of cylinders. Much appreciated. Great description and presentation. Thanks again. 🙂👍🏻👍🏻
I'm well into my repair job on my 200CX FEL. Your video is my bible, sir! Thanks a million.
thanks for sharing, that is something else the way they designed that cylinder and needing a special tool for the snapring!
Very good I picked up a couple of cool tricks! I enjoyed the video!
Awesome video watched as I just rebuilt the cylinder on my skidsteer no leaks now
This was an incredibly valuable video! Thank you!
I appreciate your video my friend,you are the best!!!
Thank you for the help bud worked great 👍
Good video thanks you never can beat a man at his own trade. Thanks for sharing.
Best tutorial on this model, great job
Great instructional video. Thanks
Thank you. Great detail info
Excellent video thanks
Awesome video very helpful and I save my boss loads of money doing this in house. I do have a question are the lift cylinders the exact same on or are there differences.
On some of the small loaders yes but not always. But the repair process is the same.
Thank you! Your video was very helpful and no doubt has saved me $. I’m a subscriber! Thanks again!
Thanks for making this video. Helped me out.
Awesome video thanks
Yes sir you helped me out so much!! Thank you sir!
I really like your video - better than three others I watched. However, I am still at a loss on when you remove that orange tool that you talk about inserting inside the cylinder at 5:30 min to help get the inner snap ring past that point. No one mentions taking that back out of the cylinder.
Yes you remove it after disassembly, not needed for reassembly.
@@ffrepeat Thank you very much for your response. I still don't have the parts but I have watched a number of other videos. Your video is by far the most detailed and that suits me very well given I am worried about doing it wrong. One guy cleaned the inside of the cylinder with brake cleaner. Is that what you used?
Thanks for the great video. I put the rod back on the machine to hold it while using a breaker bar w/ cheater to pop that nut loose after some good heat. My impact wouldn't do it.
Thanks for putting this video up. It was very helpful. My local dealer in Van Alstyne, Texas had the kit in stock. This is for Bucket Cylinder 420 Loader 013054 - ST406437 with rebuilt kit part# AH176344. Be warned, the kit doesn't come with a gland removal tool. You have to buy it separately. Maybe another kit has it included but the one I got didn't have it.
Thanks for the video helpful!
Ty brother for insight God bless you gotta do this on jd 850 tractor ty
Great video! Hope to tackle my 420 bucket cylinders tomorrow. What spray lubricant/cleaner are you using in the video?
PS, the hack using the leather and a hose clamp is priceless!
I had seals replaced on rod, trying to put back into cylinder and it stops about an inch short of going fully in, what could be the issue here?
The torque spec on this is... 'all of it'. LMBO!!
You were very helpfull, Thank you.
Great video, man!
Wow what a great video. Thank you.
I found your video searching for a, “spongy and slow response to front loader bucket.” When I have a heavy load in the bucket and drive over uneven ground I can see there is a lot of bounce to the bucket wanting to rotate downward. Do you think it’s the front loader dumping pistons causing it?
If it holds its position with weight it’s not the pistons. I would observe what it’s doing and make sure something isn’t flexing. What kind of loader is it?
We are repairing cylinders from a 158 JD loader - the outer snap ring on ours does not have the holes in it to grab with the snap ring tool to spread it- do you have any suggestions as to how to get that back on? We’re having a dilly of a time trying to get it back in place.
Those retaining rings are the worst, my advice is to be creative… I have made at least 3 different tools just for those stupid retaining rings
Try these
LEONTOOL 11-Inch Lock Ring Pliers Flat Snap Ring Pliers Special Circlip Pliers Reverse Pliers Angle Tip Retaining Ring Pliers Ring Opening Pliers Spreader Pliers for Transmission Transfer Cases a.co/d/5re7T8i
I used regular snap ring pliers that have the pins. Just below the pins, they have a flat area that worked great for those round snap rings.
To compress the internal snap ring, I found that a CV joint clamp worked the best for me. It is thin enough to slide partway into the end of the cylinder.
thanks for posting video!!! where do you obtain the seal kits?
That was going to be my question. Hopefully a good quality reliable seal kit not from JD, Amazing or eBay and hopefully definitely not since made in Chy-Na! 😂 Being your question was a month ago with by response I guess we might be out there with Bob Dylan and left blowing in the wind! 😂
The Deere seals are what I use from a local dealer or online. I’ve tried aftermarket seals and it’s hit or miss.
Watch Wes Work demonstrated a neat tool for installing the inner seal recently when he was rebuilding a cylinder for his skid steer.
I have the tool, but I have been doing by hand for so long I forget I have it. 🤦♂️
Wow! Such an informative video!! Looking forward to the next episode!
What is the procedure for putting the cylinder back on the tractor?
Do I prime the cylinder?
Thanks for explaining the orange ring. What a bogus design. Rebuilding a JD770 steering cylinder. Thank you!
At 18:40 - "There is a tool for this, but I never use it." I may need to order it. I've spent about 45 minutes trying to get this seal to behave. I am working on a smaller diameter cylinder so maybe it is especially hateful. What is this tool called?
a.co/d/bGAQ2qA
This is the tool on Amazon
Loctite Green 638 High Strength Retaining Compound 😊
My bucket cylinders on my 430 loader do not move at the same speed, is this an indication a rebuild is needed?
No
THANK YOU
hurts my heart. i tried and tried but mine would not go in any further. was like a suction that was fighting me in or out. ended up just dropping it off. $270 was the damage. and now i know i have another problem as the piston won’t extend up (out). only down (in). unless i reverse the lines. 😭
do you know how they fixed it? I'm currently stuck with the suction pulling the rod back in as well. It's like playing tug-of-war with an elephant
What about the o ringe on the rod behind the nut ?
Not all pistons have one
@@ffrepeat
Is there fluid needed in the cylinder?
Nope
Now, if that ain’t the manliest flex I’ve ever seen now I do have trigger finger in my middle finger on both hands plus carpal tunnel and Dupatrends disease but most times and I’ve done those seals multiple times without those tools and without a zip tie but this one time I had to use a zip tie because I stood there for about five minutes trying to do it your way and I could not get that done
I hate the jd cly type but I’ve done plenty of them over the years
Thanks
Like a piston ring compressor but home made type
Takes strong fingers and hands to force them in or buy the high dallor tools and there worth it once you start lolol
Appears you skipped the removal of the inner snap ring that needs to come out before putting in the "tool" in its place.
Nope….the tool is there to allow the snap ring to compress so you can remove the gland.
no its not easy !
Yes you had a lot of great tech pointers but we failed 6 times and gave up what a stupid design everytime it tore the tool up we had to buy multiples of the tool and still failed ☹
I have a 1978 70 series john Deere skid steer. Trying to put new seals in lift arm cylinders It has the spanner nut at the end . It turns and turns and will not come off. I can't see a lock ring any where. What am I missing
What model is the loader?
Show from the beginning, like taking off the spanner nut, need to redo 1978 70 series john Deere lift arm cylinders, can't see any spanner rings on this model. Spanner nut turns and turns but won't come off any ideas thanks jim