@@finngregory3599 Oh you know, just spent 12+ years scouring the internet for it until stumbling across someone from London who happened to have it. Biggest internet miracle in my life for sure
@@BanthamLegend Love to see you here! Currently working through your May You Never - John Martyn video. You're fantastic, really appreciate the work you put into every video.
@@BanthamLegend Glad to see you pop up on one of my submissions, you've been helping me out for years. I'll be down near you again this fall, you going to any of the shows?
And I thought I heard them all, omg you sir are a star. Thanks for uploading, this really shows all of Ben's true song writing and story telling ability 😀. Thank you soo much
Never have I never though I'll discover this one day, Thank you so much for sharing! 2021 a year for Ben Howard's Past and Future. 'One man says to the other here you are ben'
@@marcmatabadenas2166 disagree. He found true magic with his original sound, and like so many that do he didn’t realize it and started making weird depressing experimental music. I mean some of them are alright, nice melodic soundscapes but it’s nothing like the style that brought him success. Maybe the records will grow on me, IFWIW did a bit, some noonday songs have, but I consider it a tragedy he decided he wanted to change so dramatically.
@@noahmcdaniel4920 what he went through was a tragedy. And as an authentic artist, be made music about it. It's tragic indeed. Only those who've felt tragic heart break will understand.
Young girl of only 19 Beautiful smile Looked just like her dream Her parents were so proud Came from the silent counties Deep Blue eyes Saw more than i see Hair blew with the wind Goes to a party Everyone turns to see Beautiful Jessica of only 19 Out on the same night Two middleweights got into to many fights But they were ok Yeah they were alright Alright, alright One man says to the other Wouldn't it be nice to get mе a lover They dont want to drown in sex ? Don't you rеmember, don't you forget It was only last December That girl you called Julliet You've had more than me Someone hits the side of the car Pale faces baby its a night of alarm They stop 50 yards down the road Walking back they see tyre marks Under a sycamore tree Walking back they see Jessica's eyes Bright as bright as can be One man says to the other I think we better get out of here I don't wanna be on the TV news I don't wanna be on the TV news Hearts racing for the rest of the night Fears of the wrong and the right Seconds turning Your world fades to Blue Jessica's heart stopped beating Under the star light And the sirens bleeping Morales of humankind Left by the side of the road One man says to the other I can't breathe I can't breathe I can't breathe in this world Everyway i look i see I see the shuddering cold I can feel the the Devil The Devil on my shoulder On my shoulder On my shoulder One man of only honestly Made a mistake for which He can never ever be free Let the gates of heaven Judge his soul Falling to the sea below The sea below Meanwhile in another part of town Cops trying to earn his crown Trying to fight for justice He just doesn't know Justice lives at the bottom of the soul Walking back he sees tire marks Under a sycamore tree Walking back he sees this man this man Can never be free Goes to the house on the same night Finds the man he needs to his delight Puts him in a jail house Which such a rat deserves Such a rat deserves One man says to the other Where are you? Where are you? Where are you brother? Where are you when i needed you most? Where are you ? Where are you ? Where are you brother? Where are you when i needed you most? Sitting in a 6 foot cell Dreams that could of been accomplished It's a living hell Tears fall from his eyes Fall from his eyes He's crying so loud now He's crying so loud now He’s crying, hes crying He's crying so loud now He's crying so loud now He's crying so loud now He's crying so loud now He's crying so loud now He's crying so loud god can hear So loud god can hear Can you hear me? Can you hear me now? Love can you hear me now? Oh can you hear me now
"One man says to the other Wouldn't it be nice to get mе a lover They dont want to drown in sex ?" I think instead of "they dont want to drown in sex" it's "The other one turns 'round and says"
Hi Max. Thanks for the upload. I have a copy of the other version of this EP. Would love to make the set with this one also. Thanks again, appreciate your efforts, Cheers.
Essentially no one had until yesterday! There is only two known copies that exist in the world, took some mega searching to find it... as in like a full decade of searching haha
haha, just be glad you didn't have to experience the 10+ years of constant searching for it I did. Although, the feeling I got when I finally found it... so worth it
@@ad3398 at least to me, I think it stands to hold meanings behind people’s morality, selfishness, and fears of consequences to their actions. Even if they were morally trying to do the right thing, a persons fear of the possible outcomes for themselves may cause them to turn to the wrong choice. That’s pretty blunt though, I don’t know if there’s any deeper story or anything
I am so grateful, thanks for making this song available ! But I can't understand why someone made you promise not to share Back To The River. Why would someone be deeply willing not to share these beautiful musical vibes to the fans? What's the purpose?
@Gareth Mason Ah I get you now haha. Heron (Mark Rutter) is a real piece of shit honestly. Dude is just enjoying having something so many people want. Unlike Max here who is a great fan and keeping his word on someone, Heron just enjoys the attention I think and is using its value as an excuse. I doubt he'll ever sell his copy. I would love to see it all get leaked inevitably one day and him make a big fuss about it. Hahaha
@@polymorose if that's the case, I hope it gets stolen and shared. I met Ben in Dallas in my birthday in 2015. He wouldn't want his music to be kept secret. He just is such a musician he's not fighting to make sure these things reach his fans against industry's interests. Don't blame him. It's up to us to find hidden treasure.
Thank you for uploading this. Honestly, wouldn't be able to listen to this if it weren't for both your hard work chasing down these songs or your willingness to share. And what a different side of his music we were able to see due to all of this. There are a few glitches (0:01 - 0:02; 4:30; 6:22 - 6:23). Is this how you have the file, or is it something that happened when uploading the song to UA-cam?
I appreciate the thoughtful reply! It's hard to explain to people who don't get it just how much of the previous 10 years were spent scouring the internet for this. It was enjoyable though the whole time, to the point that once I finally got it I almost didn't know what to do. (I didn't listen to Back To The River for over a year after getting it from the source I found, I just had been chasing it for so long I wasn't ready for the chase to be truly over). As for those glitches, yea those are in the files I have prior to uploading to UA-cam. The person who sent me the files (in exchange for the deal we made) sent them like that, so I'm not sure if it's that the CD is just 15 years old and was a bit scratched or what, but that is how they came!
@@maxwelljkatz Wow... 10 years searching for these. I don't blame you for not wanting to listen to Back To The River when you've found it. Really, really appreciate the work. I am now digging into this hole pre-2011. I am an audio engineer and really interested into the chronology of these demos, if you don't mind talking more about this since you definitely know far more than I do. I understand there were 2 recordings of Games in The Dark EP. It seems like it from the difference in Ben's performance as well as the production of the songs. How far apart are these, do you know? And what is the track list for both? I've noticed on the subreddit dedicated to him that a group of people managed to get a copy of Games in The Dark including Back to The River and and "alternate versions" of Games In The Dark and Wouldn't Be a Lie. Both of these are more polished in terms of production, I suspect they are in the 2nd recording of GITD EP (?). Were Jessica and Back To The River part of the initial EP? Where does Ocean Song fall into all of this? Is Ayla Schafer doing backing vocals on both EPs? I'll leave links to all the tracks, if it's of any use. Wouldn't Be A Lie (alt version) ua-cam.com/video/Y5QbRp7mBIM/v-deo.html Wouldn't Be a Lie ua-cam.com/video/fDmzW-0k5ds/v-deo.html - any idea where is this from? sounds like this is exactly the version most people have, just layered with ambience from the cafe (the guy's story really is pretty neat to be honest) Games in The Dark (alt version) ua-cam.com/video/Xwf6LouDK-c/v-deo.html Games In The Dark ua-cam.com/video/03ZM6AEhQPA/v-deo.html Back To The River ua-cam.com/video/hQdJuE9fsR4/v-deo.html Any help would be greatly appreciated. I will give it a go at fixing Jessica meanwhile. Is it really true that there are only 2 copies of the initial EP? Like, handwritten by Ben on the CD, all in 2007 DIY fashion?
The existence of it had been known for 12+ years, but apart from the one known person who owned the physical copy (and wouldn't share it), no one had heard it or been able to come across it. It was very wild when I finally got my hands on it
From what I've seen on Reddit, Max is keeping to his promise - he's heard it but been asked not to share it in order for this song to be released into the wild. The person that has it doesn't want to share it. I think it's to have something that is only theirs, especially something this rare and seeing as Ben has probably long forgotten about these unreleased tracks, they possess the power to share with the world. That's just some people I think it took a lot of convincing to release this but I do think whoever has Back to the River and whatever other gems will come to their senses one day.
@@Lee-kh3bg Jut seeing this 3 years later haha, but yea you are right. It took a lot of negotiating with the person who had this to even get him to send me the mp3s, and apart from having to buy another thing from him, i also agreed to only post one song, but Back to the River is up as well now so all good :)
no you can't. we only know of two physical copies that exist. and both refuse to give the other song for mp3 listening. we thankfully have this one after 10 years....
Never thought I’d get a chance to hear this, what a hero
It really is hard to describe how it felt when I finally got my hands on it, 10 years of searching... wild
Thanks for his dude!!! I only managed to get games in the dark on drop box but it doesn't have this tune on it!!??
@@maxwelljkatz I'm crying
@@maxwelljkatz How did you track it budd?
@@finngregory3599 Oh you know, just spent 12+ years scouring the internet for it until stumbling across someone from London who happened to have it. Biggest internet miracle in my life for sure
Ben and his hidden gems. THANK YOU FOR HAVING SHARED THIS TREASURE!
I had no idea this song even existed. Thank you for helping me discover it! Legend!
Imagine the vault of amazing songs Ben has unreleased...
Gaaaah! You’re so right.
So strange hearing this. Takes me back to the beginning! Standard tuning and everything, wow haha! :).
Thank you for making this one available on UA-cam!
Thank you for making this one available on UA-cam!
Glad I was able to find it!
When Ben Howard says “he’s crying so loud now God can hear” and his voice cracks... that hits me like blasted stone of rattlesnake unturned...
fuckin cathartic that bit
Feels great to sing along too
@@louisdrums indeed
Ahahaha this is the best reference to a lyric I've heard in a while 😂. Well played sir
Whow. That voice... It's why I love this guy
Sounds like Damian Rice 😳
You're always there in the ben howard content 😋 bloody legend!
@@parvinmehrty haha, what can I say, long time fan 🤙🏻
@@BanthamLegend Love to see you here! Currently working through your May You Never - John Martyn video. You're fantastic, really appreciate the work you put into every video.
@@BanthamLegend Glad to see you pop up on one of my submissions, you've been helping me out for years. I'll be down near you again this fall, you going to any of the shows?
@@maxwelljkatz yeah, I got tickets for Brudenell Social in September. Can't wait 😁
This has blown my mind. A fan of BH for 9 years and never heard this track.
You have no idea the lengths I went to on a nearly daily basis searching for these missing tracks :) glad you appreciate it
Amazing to hear the most earliest work of my favorite artist. This song is really in different style then the rest. Amazing!
I know, really a rare situation to have an artist you love for more than a decade and hear a song for the first time that is ~15 years old or so
@@maxwelljkatz it's incredible
Oh shit, I just found this. Going to listen so many times. Thanks algorithm gods!!
haha, imagine how I felt after finally getting a hold of it after searching for a decade
you are unreal, thank you so much. i can't believe it! it is just raw quality
And I thought I heard them all, omg you sir are a star. Thanks for uploading, this really shows all of Ben's true song writing and story telling ability 😀. Thank you soo much
Never have I never though I'll discover this one day, Thank you so much for sharing!
2021 a year for Ben Howard's Past and Future.
'One man says to the other here you are ben'
Thank you so much!!!
Since your release of this beauty i‘m here at least once a day...
Absolute legend thank you so much. A Ben Howard song in standard tuning isn’t very common....
Thank you for uploading this in a way that it can be listened to while using other apps.
Even more so, thank you for sharing this with the world.
As everyone has already said, a massive thanks for uploading! Got anything else hidden away? ;)
Wow..... thanks so much for this.. you are legend
SO grateful for this gem.
Thank you 💙
Had no idea about this. Sounds like an old one! Very cool!
You betcha, it's about as old as there is from him
Thank you so much for this
This made my day. Thank you so much.
Thank you for uploading this! Been waiting to hear this and River for years. It's crazy how far he's come in these 13 years
From what I have heard from his new album, seems like he has taken many steps back since kingdom
He is infinitely better nowadays. But I guess nostalgia and songs easy to the ear make it seem otherwise
@@marcmatabadenas2166 disagree. He found true magic with his original sound, and like so many that do he didn’t realize it and started making weird depressing experimental music. I mean some of them are alright, nice melodic soundscapes but it’s nothing like the style that brought him success. Maybe the records will grow on me, IFWIW did a bit, some noonday songs have, but I consider it a tragedy he decided he wanted to change so dramatically.
@@noahmcdaniel4920 what he went through was a tragedy. And as an authentic artist, be made music about it. It's tragic indeed. Only those who've felt tragic heart break will understand.
What did he go through?
This one keeps you coming back
you made my week man
Young girl of only 19
Beautiful smile
Looked just like her dream
Her parents were so proud
Came from the silent counties
Deep Blue eyes
Saw more than i see
Hair blew with the wind
Goes to a party
Everyone turns to see
Beautiful Jessica of only 19
Out on the same night
Two middleweights got into to many fights
But they were ok
Yeah they were alright
Alright, alright
One man says to the other
Wouldn't it be nice to get mе a lover
They dont want to drown in sex ?
Don't you rеmember, don't you forget
It was only last December
That girl you called Julliet
You've had more than me
Someone hits the side of the car
Pale faces baby its a night of alarm
They stop 50 yards down the road
Walking back they see tyre marks
Under a sycamore tree
Walking back they see Jessica's eyes
Bright as bright as can be
One man says to the other
I think we better get out of here
I don't wanna be on the TV news
I don't wanna be on the TV news
Hearts racing for the rest of the night
Fears of the wrong and the right
Seconds turning
Your world fades to Blue
Jessica's heart stopped beating
Under the star light
And the sirens bleeping
Morales of humankind
Left by the side of the road
One man says to the other
I can't breathe
I can't breathe
I can't breathe in this world
Everyway i look i see
I see the shuddering cold
I can feel the the Devil
The Devil on my shoulder
On my shoulder
On my shoulder
One man of only honestly
Made a mistake for which
He can never ever be free
Let the gates of heaven
Judge his soul
Falling to the sea below
The sea below
Meanwhile in another part of town
Cops trying to earn his crown
Trying to fight for justice
He just doesn't know
Justice lives at the bottom of the soul
Walking back he sees tire marks
Under a sycamore tree
Walking back he sees this man this man
Can never be free
Goes to the house on the same night
Finds the man he needs to his delight
Puts him in a jail house
Which such a rat deserves
Such a rat deserves
One man says to the other
Where are you?
Where are you?
Where are you brother?
Where are you when i needed you most?
Where are you ?
Where are you ?
Where are you brother?
Where are you when i needed you most?
Sitting in a 6 foot cell
Dreams that could of been accomplished
It's a living hell
Tears fall from his eyes
Fall from his eyes
He's crying so loud now
He's crying so loud now
He’s crying, hes crying
He's crying so loud now
He's crying so loud now
He's crying so loud now
He's crying so loud now
He's crying so loud now
He's crying so loud god can hear
So loud god can hear
Can you hear me?
Can you hear me now?
Love can you hear me now?
Oh can you hear me now
Cheers! (Southern counties instead of silent counties though - think everything else spot on!)
"One man says to the other
Wouldn't it be nice to get mе a lover
They dont want to drown in sex ?"
I think instead of "they dont want to drown in sex" it's "The other one turns 'round and says"
You're right!
Sven, thank you for the words.
Incredible
Thank you so much for uploading this.
How bloody marvelous !!..☆☆
Thankyou Max !!..♡♡
THANK YOU
Whoa, just whoooaa
Masterpiece.
Damn. What a jewel.
Not sure about this one, but thanks for the upload anyway
How did I miss that? Perfection
Hi Max. Thanks for the upload. I have a copy of the other version of this EP. Would love to make the set with this one also. Thanks again, appreciate your efforts, Cheers.
I missed so many of these comments, thanks man! Appreciate it
Legend!!
How have I never heard this song?
Essentially no one had until yesterday! There is only two known copies that exist in the world, took some mega searching to find it... as in like a full decade of searching haha
@@maxwelljkatz Wow! what a tune man, thankyou! Subbed
Whaou! Ben Howard chante avec son âme. Rare sont les artistes qui arrivent à mettre la chair de poule. MERCI Ben !!! 🙌🙏
legend.
Wow them old harrowing ben vibes
You are an incredible human. Thank you.
Great tune, Any other rare Ben howard songs around? 👀
It sickens me knowing this gem escaped my ears for all this time,,
Thank you.
haha, just be glad you didn't have to experience the 10+ years of constant searching for it I did. Although, the feeling I got when I finally found it... so worth it
Can someone please explain me the story behind this masterpiece.
Doesn’t it tell a story?? 😂
@Daniel Vince there must be a meaning to these wonderful lyrics , they look so deep.
@Daniel Vince ya but this album is now quite old , also just I feel it conveys a strong message/meaning.
@@ad3398 at least to me, I think it stands to hold meanings behind people’s morality, selfishness, and fears of consequences to their actions. Even if they were morally trying to do the right thing, a persons fear of the possible outcomes for themselves may cause them to turn to the wrong choice. That’s pretty blunt though, I don’t know if there’s any deeper story or anything
@@alexcover1348 i think its about a hit and run. The two guys in the car and jessica got hit.
Wow. Wow. Wow
Most epic voice crack in history
♡♡♡
sensational thanks buddy, what a record
Whoa!
Damn
I am so grateful, thanks for making this song available ! But I can't understand why someone made you promise not to share Back To The River. Why would someone be deeply willing not to share these beautiful musical vibes to the fans? What's the purpose?
Be happy you are at least getting this.
@Gareth Mason I respect Max for keeping a promise he made.
@Gareth Mason Ah I get you now haha. Heron (Mark Rutter) is a real piece of shit honestly. Dude is just enjoying having something so many people want. Unlike Max here who is a great fan and keeping his word on someone, Heron just enjoys the attention I think and is using its value as an excuse. I doubt he'll ever sell his copy. I would love to see it all get leaked inevitably one day and him make a big fuss about it. Hahaha
@@polymorose if that's the case, I hope it gets stolen and shared. I met Ben in Dallas in my birthday in 2015. He wouldn't want his music to be kept secret. He just is such a musician he's not fighting to make sure these things reach his fans against industry's interests.
Don't blame him. It's up to us to find hidden treasure.
So please I’ve got a signed copy of this CD. Got in early with Ben. Forgot how good this track is as I NEVER take it out. Thanks
This is my only account. But had to leave a comment. This is a masterpiece.
❤
Fucking legend! Thank you sir
Glad to help
Anyone else hearing dave matthews band Grave Digger ???
Dave matthews band... gross 😂 he shouldn't be mentioned with Ben Howard ever... Rat
finally
This is beutiful, who’s got the chords for this? I’m not good enough to figure out by ear and won’t find them anywhere
Been thinking the same I want these chords
Any chance you could make a download link for this album available?
Thank you for uploading this. Honestly, wouldn't be able to listen to this if it weren't for both your hard work chasing down these songs or your willingness to share. And what a different side of his music we were able to see due to all of this. There are a few glitches (0:01 - 0:02; 4:30; 6:22 - 6:23). Is this how you have the file, or is it something that happened when uploading the song to UA-cam?
I appreciate the thoughtful reply! It's hard to explain to people who don't get it just how much of the previous 10 years were spent scouring the internet for this. It was enjoyable though the whole time, to the point that once I finally got it I almost didn't know what to do. (I didn't listen to Back To The River for over a year after getting it from the source I found, I just had been chasing it for so long I wasn't ready for the chase to be truly over).
As for those glitches, yea those are in the files I have prior to uploading to UA-cam. The person who sent me the files (in exchange for the deal we made) sent them like that, so I'm not sure if it's that the CD is just 15 years old and was a bit scratched or what, but that is how they came!
@@maxwelljkatz Wow... 10 years searching for these. I don't blame you for not wanting to listen to Back To The River when you've found it. Really, really appreciate the work. I am now digging into this hole pre-2011. I am an audio engineer and really interested into the chronology of these demos, if you don't mind talking more about this since you definitely know far more than I do.
I understand there were 2 recordings of Games in The Dark EP. It seems like it from the difference in Ben's performance as well as the production of the songs. How far apart are these, do you know? And what is the track list for both? I've noticed on the subreddit dedicated to him that a group of people managed to get a copy of Games in The Dark including Back to The River and and "alternate versions" of Games In The Dark and Wouldn't Be a Lie. Both of these are more polished in terms of production, I suspect they are in the 2nd recording of GITD EP (?). Were Jessica and Back To The River part of the initial EP? Where does Ocean Song fall into all of this? Is Ayla Schafer doing backing vocals on both EPs? I'll leave links to all the tracks, if it's of any use.
Wouldn't Be A Lie (alt version)
ua-cam.com/video/Y5QbRp7mBIM/v-deo.html
Wouldn't Be a Lie
ua-cam.com/video/fDmzW-0k5ds/v-deo.html
- any idea where is this from? sounds like this is exactly the version most people have, just layered with ambience from the cafe (the guy's story really is pretty neat to be honest)
Games in The Dark (alt version)
ua-cam.com/video/Xwf6LouDK-c/v-deo.html
Games In The Dark
ua-cam.com/video/03ZM6AEhQPA/v-deo.html
Back To The River
ua-cam.com/video/hQdJuE9fsR4/v-deo.html
Any help would be greatly appreciated. I will give it a go at fixing Jessica meanwhile.
Is it really true that there are only 2 copies of the initial EP? Like, handwritten by Ben on the CD, all in 2007 DIY fashion?
🙌
can someone explain why it is the holy grail?
The existence of it had been known for 12+ years, but apart from the one known person who owned the physical copy (and wouldn't share it), no one had heard it or been able to come across it. It was very wild when I finally got my hands on it
Legend mate!!! How did you find this??!
Funny to hear ben on a standard tuning guitar. first time and Last time i think haha
"wouldn't be a lie" is also in standard
@@KonradKrynski oh really ? I dont know this one, Will check it out rn
What makes you think the last time lol, can you make out the chords he’s using in this? I’m new to guitar and would love help. Tia
How Dylan sounded in his youth it's what this musical art forms for
Can anyone make out the chords to play?
Yes please!
Don't suppose you found the chords out did you, I tried to figure it out but I'm useless 😂
Capo 3rd fret. Am, G, F
@@adgalati i completely forgot leaving this comment 3 years ago but I’m definitely gonna try that and learn it now haha thanks!
@@adamrushing8942 I half didn't expect anyone to check back from 3 years ago lol but I'm glad you saw it!
didn't even know this existed, why is it that you wont upload Back To The River? It's not that I don't agree with your decision, just curious.
From what I've seen on Reddit, Max is keeping to his promise - he's heard it but been asked not to share it in order for this song to be released into the wild. The person that has it doesn't want to share it. I think it's to have something that is only theirs, especially something this rare and seeing as Ben has probably long forgotten about these unreleased tracks, they possess the power to share with the world. That's just some people
I think it took a lot of convincing to release this but I do think whoever has Back to the River and whatever other gems will come to their senses one day.
@@Lee-kh3bg Jut seeing this 3 years later haha, but yea you are right. It took a lot of negotiating with the person who had this to even get him to send me the mp3s, and apart from having to buy another thing from him, i also agreed to only post one song, but Back to the River is up as well now so all good :)
Share with me😢
Is this about a Hit 'n' run?
Can you buy this ep somewhere? On cd, vinyl, ... I don't care, I just want to be able to listen to these less known/unreleased songs off line. 😩
no you can't. we only know of two physical copies that exist. and both refuse to give the other song for mp3 listening. we thankfully have this one after 10 years....
@@fromtheday9461 how sad
@@fromtheday9461 it's as tragic as what inspired the songs. Thank you for the info
𝑇ℎ𝑎𝑛𝑘 𝑦𝑜𝑢
𝐺𝑜𝑠ℎ 𝐵𝑒𝑛 𝑚𝑎𝑘𝑒𝑠 𝑚𝑒 𝑞𝑞
Sounds a little like Micheal Jackson at some points of this song
Hehe
I hate to break it to you, but this is his worst song.
Incredible
🙌