This and That: 2019 European Championships, Kim Yuna & Evgenia Medvedeva (Papadakis & Cizeron)
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- This week on This and That, Sandra Bezic joins us to break down 2019 European Championships, Javier Fernandez's Revolution on Ice, Kim Yuna's return to the ice, Evgenia Medvedeva and the brilliance of Gabriella Papadakis and Guillaume Cizeron and Vanessa James and Morgan Cipres. Figure skaters from Europe battled it out in Minsk for medals and trips to the upcoming 2019 World Figure Skating Championships. Alina Zagitova, Sofia Samodurova and Svetlana Konstantinova skated against each other and the future performances of Elizaveta Tuktamysheva and Evgenia Medvedeva at the upcoming Russian Cup. Minsk was full of high drama and quality skating.
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Nice to see you all back! TIMESTAMPS:
1:02 - Revolution on Ice, Javier Fernandez, David Wilson, producing, scheduling & other shows.
9:28 Yuna Kim’s Chaplin & other performers, Wilson encouraging Yuna to return to the ice.
17:18 Michelle Kwan
17:32 Evgenia Medvedeva’s Orange Colored Sky, the creation process, her struggle with it as the season progressed & her passion for skating
22:04 Sandra’s idea for Zhenya’s OCS costume, unseen costumes
25:15 The social media hate train that developed for Medvedeva, the effect on her
26:47 Evgenia’s world championship possibilities
29:40 Tracy Wilson
32:18 Javier Fernandez, his preparation for Euros, scoring
43:12 What comes next for Javier
43:51 Mikhail Kolyada, Carmen
49:35 Miscellaneous
51:40 Kevin’s performance at Euros
54:35 Matteo Rizzo
56:35 Alexander Samarin
57:30 Striving to win vs striving for excellence
58:50 The struggle of Eteri’s girls
59:40 Alina Zagitova
1:03:33 Sofia Samodurova
1:05:52 Stanislava and world spots
1:08:06 Viveca Lindfors & nothing is a given in this sport
1:09:46 Papadakis/Cizeron & the Montreal camp
1:18:49 Stepanova/Bukin & Sinitsina/Katsalapov
1:23:21 Guignard/Fabbri
1:27:32 James/Ciprès
1:31:44 Tarasova/Morozov, the back to the French & Italians
1:38:42 Favorite moments
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A. Петрова thank you so much 😊
Thrilled you people are back but I just spent the entire damn night watching your Euros recap, your Nationals recap, and “The Ice Queen of Chemnitz,” which Dave had recommended on Facebook. I’m supposed to be studying for an exam. I certainly had more time in the day while you guys were on hiatus ;-)
l thank you too
Not religious but truly #blessed to have Dave and TSL back!!!!
Kimberly Macellaro
I adore these two men.
I'm so happy you guys are back 💜
Also, I love watching a show where one host makes the specific comment "I was in an opera once that had an aria about how grey and ugly Minsk is" and the other host reacts with a look of pure outrage. This is not an exchange that one can find anywhere else in the world and I'm so glad to have our TSL community restored. :-)
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I think Samodurova should be guaranteed a spot for Worlds. She’s earned her keep for the season and won the European title fair and square. It would be sad if that upcoming competition does not go well for her and she misses what would likely be her only chance to go to Worlds. I fear that she has an unfair advantage of being the “no one” of the group and how that would reflect on the judging. I know that this is the way that the system works, but I sure hope she is able to at least compete at Worlds.
I don't think there is any question that Samodurova is going to keep her spot for Worlds. It's Konstantinova who is in trouble - depending on a number of factors, including the fitness of Medvedeva and Tuktamysheva. It's unlikely that the Russian Federation will decide to send both Medvedeva and Tuktamysheva, but likely that (if they both show willing) one will get the green light. Konstantinova might still get a spot if Zagitova pulls out though (which she probably won't, even though there are good reasons to do so).
She'll go for sure. Russia needs those 3 spots and solid consistent Sofia is a lock for top 5-6. Three Japanese and Russians will be top 6 I guess, if they go more or less clean. If somebody falls apart Americans can get in the mix. Zagitova and Sofia are a lock if no injuries hit them, Medvedeva and Tuktamysheva will fight for the 3d spot. I hope it'll be Liza. She had a brillant GP series, I'd love to see her at Worlds.
SO thrilled you guys are back.
The thing with Zagitova is, she still hits in practice (different videos of practice at Europeans) it’s more about competition pressure I guess
Raphou Ice I agree with this. She was also excellent during the gala exhibition. She’s getting major competition nerves.
it's probably cause she knows things are expected from her and it gets her. In any case, I am still waiting to see that Carmen clean and lovely.
I'm so happy and thankful that TSL is back!!!!! My sister and I were devastated when you had to shut down social media and take down all the videos in the last few years. When will people understand that being critical, providing commentary, bringing on skating experts, AND offering factual information is NOT a bad thing! It should be encouraged!!!!!!
Yessss!!! Thank you! I’m so glad you’re back!!!
Life of Dayy ❤️😘
LOL re "the music is not what I would have advised." Sandra's Canadian-ness is rubbing off on Dave. :-)
This week I was sooooo depressed, and This make me so happy! I'm a bit late but I'm glad you guys are back *Screams in homosexual*.
Hope your week improves!
Welcome back! Don't let the bastards get you down.
I'm an atheist, but said an ecumenical prayer that TSL would be back post haste. Prayers answered, and welcome back.
Your fans await!
David Andrusia when you want to be religious but it’s not currently fashionable
chima chibi my point being that people who are religiously inclined are forgoing traditional religion and declaring themselves atheist very frequently these days. Traditional religion and atheism while seemingly opposite have one major thing in common, they both require faith. One a faith in everything, the other in nothing. Western media has convinced the type of person that needs religion that Christianity is bad. These people with no socially acceptable outlet for faith turn to atheism amongst other idols
I SCREAMED. CANT WAIT TO DO NOTHING FOR THE REST OF THE NIGHT BUT WATCH THIS OMG
sandra is so lovely 😭
Welcome back! :)
Fran
I’m just so happy you guys are back! TSL is so beloved by so many people. I can’t imagine being a skating fan and not getting to watch these videos and get these amazing perspectives and opinions
SO GREAT to have the best two commentators in the skating recaps world BACK. And with SANDRA BEZIC!! I need Sandra to just come and make my life choices for me -- what to wear, where to go, who to be friends with... :-)
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Don't ever leave us again !!!!!😢😭
Great to have you back!
I adore Evgenia, all the hateful comments I’ve read about her make me so sad. I think she’s so brave for making the changes she needed to in her life and career and I hope it pays off in the end.
Omg we are #blessed
Oh my gosh you're here! I cannot tell you how happy this makes me. It's deathly cold outside (windchill of -35F, it's great. FB friends think it's fun to let me know that Antarctica is warmer), I can't go anywhere, but now I have TSL.
Get warm!
That's right Beyer! When Miss Sandra is on you best be dressing in a nice suit and tie, she deserves no less! HA HA! I need Sandra to be my life coach. I'd be so mellow and yet really productive.
Oh please.
I just want to say how sad I was when I couldn't find your videos on UA-cam, and how happy I am to see them back! We love you guys!
Sandra and Jonathan being in love with the rhumba inspired tango skated by the world's most lyrical skaters is so "on brand" for both of them it makes me giggle. Love you guys!
My fave moment of euros, Sofia Samodurova"s ponytail spins like a helicopter rotor when she jumps. Happy for her to get the win.
I totally agree with Sandra and co. that Aymoz's FS was far more dynamic and artistically interesting than Rizzo's. Aymoz was really done in though by his failed quad toeloop for which he only earned 4.75 points total compared to Rizzo who earned 12.49 points for the same jump. This 8 point difference alone covers the discrepancy in their final FS scores: Rizzo beat Aymoz in the FD by 7.35 points. Aymoz also received a -1.00 deduction in the FS and this played a decisive role in his 4th place finish since he lost to Rizzo by only .74 points.
1:04:00 Sofia - Elizavita Tuktamysheva's sass is clearly rubbing off on Sofia. Go Team Mishin!
Love you, Dave! Love TSL!
Love you!
One of your best recaps. After the last couple weeks of adversity you've had, that makes this even more impressive. Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!
So glad you're back, and then with Sandra too! X
Our favourite skating channel is back🥳🥳🥳🥳
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evgenia medvedeva is the real owner of the ice. evgenia medvedeva is a powerful and fascinating person. Certainly she's sliding in a different spirit than the other athletes. I think you will go to the world championships. evgenia medvedeva we support you, always stay strong Queen💪👸❤️
Can't wait to hear about the US Nationals from you guys
For the first time, I totally agree with most of what you all were saying! (Things I can't even get some of my friends who enjoy figure-skating to understand: high praise for Gabriella and Guillaume, and the need to watch their programs over and over, and how their programs are deeply-layered and not "flashy/made to television", as I feel about both Russian teams, especially Bukin/Stepanova -- which I found boring -- and Katsalapov, who I don't think has excellent skating skills, etc.) I'm so glad you also liked Kevin Aymoz: for me, he was the revelation of the Europeans, and I thought both of his programs were so exciting and different, and he gets "inside" his music in the most beautiful way.....Did Guillaume do choreography for him, also? I also feel that in ice-dance duos, often the women are too tall for the men (I can mention four off the top of my head), which makes the lifts looks labored....and I know they sometimes search for a long time to find the right partner, but if they physically match up, it's not very appealing, in my opinion, to the audience. Where I differ is that I think Kolyada (who has amazing presence and superb skill, when he's "on") needs a different coach, different music, and much better choreography. Look at how much Vanessa and Morgan improved when they went to train with John Zimmerman and his team (and I think Kevin Aymoz is also working with John/Sylvia). Kolyada could be in the very highest echelon, but he needs to have better music picked for him (or he should pick it), and he definitely needs more mature, sophisticated choreography. I still think Nathan Chen needs to improve his posture (he skates with his shoulders hunched over)......But, to my surprise, I agree with much of what you all said. I'm really glad you all appreciate Gabriella and Guillaume (whom I think are so special, and I've watched all their programs since 2014 and marveled at their growth, while all the 'media' kept saying, 'but they're doing exactly the same thing': no, they're not! And they're upping their skill and artistry every year. And thank you for understanding (and praising) the uniqueness and commitment and 'honesty' and increasing artistry of Vanessa and Morgan. I love their style (and I've heard them talk a lot about how they want to stay true to themselves and improve at the same time). And the reason Vanessa and Morgan have improved so much this season in terms of unusual transitions, etc. is that both of their programs were choreographed by some of the best ice-dancers in the world: Guillaume for the SP and Charlie White for the LP -- and Guillaume especially really shook up/changed around the way they usually did transitions, entered into and out of lifts and jumps, etc. Bottom line: I'm a long-time musician and, while I appreciate skilled technique, if music played doesn't have phrasing and soul, it just comes off as boring and cold.
The struggle of Eteri’s girls? What about Medvedeva, Daleman, Chartrand, Tursynbayeva and others?
Ahh i’m so happy you’re back!!
BELIEVED OPINION : "If we're talking about Zagitova I see a different problem. She doesn't deal with nerves and that is why she is inconsistent. Try to put yourself in her situation: you are an olympic champion so everybody expect from you a lot, you defeated the russian's favourite skater Medvedeva so they expect even more, you know that next year "the quadsquad" is comming so it will be hard to even get a spot for international competiton, your body is grownig so you have to relearn many things. And don't forget your mom and dad are living far away from you.
I've seen every Alina's training in Minsk and I also felt bad for her when Eteri was screaming at her and I was crying with her. But look at the first training when she was only with Dudakov - focused and no stress - clean skating, program looked so improved I really wanted her to skate in that way at the competition. But after I saw coaches screaming next day I knew it won't give her confidence.
And you're right - she is hardworking girl, many skaters has said it about her so I wish Eteri would never again "give her a courage" the way she did that day.
I hope that all those toys she got from the people will make her aware that she has many supportes and they wish her long career and she doesn't need to stressout.
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Inga Bulgar she has lived far from her parents since she was.. 11? Even then she lived with her babushka in Moscow. I don’t think that’s a valid excuse. Everything else sounds fair enough. I wonder if Alina secretly wishes she had Evgenia’s courage to switch coaches; she has to at least have a shred of understanding why Evgenia left.
@@annushka0113 Evgenia's changing coaches is at present still no guarantee she will succeed. We cannot deny both girls rose to fame under Eteri, can they repeat this success under different trainers remains unknown.
OMG SO EXCITED!!! SQUEEEEEE (*Squeals in gay)
I'm beyond thrilled you guys are back! I can return to my treadmill knowing I will be fully entertained during my workout. Bless you guys you're the best.
Get those steps in!
I’m doing that too!! Or during the schools-rink drive
Happy to have TSL back
so so so so happy you're back i missed tsl so much 😭
So good to have you all back!! Sandra Bezic is such legend and love her passion. Congratulations again!!
Omg! So glad to see you guys back!
My fav moment, Sandra feeling sorry for those at the rinks who have to listen to skaters awful music over and over again. There are a LOT of programs like that this year, god help them!
You guys have been busy! +5 GOE for you both!
Kristin Dobbins
So happy you guys are back! 🌟
You guys are back! This made my evening tonight 👍🏼💋🙏❤️👏
Kim yuna was great on the show. She fell down on all of me, but played it off well. I really hope she goes to other shows
Proud of her. She fell during world 2013 rehearsal of All of Me too. History repeats itself sometimes
She fell down in a spot where two numbers prior Kurt Browning had performed a number of "percussion" with the skates.
Her reaction to the fall was adorable. She was still in character even after falling. A true professional and an artist. Love her. Look forward to seeing more of her!
Yay!!!! Welcome back!! You just made my day.
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Brilliant interview! Sandra's so interesting to listen to. Fascinating insights into Javi and Yuna.
My absolute favorite guest and I am so happy for you guys to push through and post this video.
All the respect. ✨
Beyond excited to see a new episode!
I am soooo excited you’re back and we’ve got This and That for Europeans!!! While watching I kept thinking what would they say about this, and now we get to know!! Yay! Off to watch it!
Isn't that funny- l did the very same thing!!!!
Sandra Bezic is such an amazing and bright mind ...
I was seriously bummed out when you were gone. Glad you're back!!
diffenrences between P-C and everybody else so well and so clearly exposed ... thank you
Sandra’s interview and commentary was such a joy. So many amazing stories, with wise advice and very understanding of all of the skaters she has worked with. Amazing!
• Her entire experience with RevOnIce really makes me wish I had been able to go watch or have been able to see it. It sounds like it was truly an amazing show, with an amazing and diverse cast of performers.
• I really loved to hear about Yuna, and how hopefully she IS learning to love skating again, and is doing better now that there isn’t as much pressure on her, but that she is taking it in her own time.
• Also loved hearing her experiences with Evgenia, and what she would have loved to see happen, but also how much Sandra respects and cares for Evgenia. Especially since she said something that not many have - What it would have been to have Evgenia take a year off, and if she had been able to come back next season. It would have been very interesting, but I also hope that Russian Nats helped reignite her fire, and that she will use this time off wisely to care for herself and think for how SHE wants to pursue her career.
• wow, just WOW. Javier really is special. And I almost got tears eyed thinking of Javier becoming a coach and raising the next gen of Spanish skaters. 😭💖
• Sandra also made a great comparison that I had never really considered before. Everyone always compares Nathan to Yuzu, but honestly in their style and the type of skaters and the type of performers, Javier is a much better comparison. (Even though I absolutely hate direct comparisons, it’s by far the best I’ve heard ever in regards to these top men.)
But seriously, thank you so much for having Sandra on here, a real great interview, discussion, and welcome back
Good vibes from México, i miss this videos so much! Thank you.
Ty so much for coming back! God bless you!
These are always the highlight of my week
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So happy to have you guys back!
Alina better switch coaches this offseason. Otherwise I think her competitive career is finished ☹️...also take a year off from competition and just relearn technique like what Evgenia should have done
I think she is scared to do that. She knows if she leaves Eteri... Eteri will drag her in the mud and fling shit on her and she may not be strong enough to handle that :(
This is such an amazing surprise! Welcome back and thanks for your endurance, your work ethics and this amazing video!
I really want Sandra to go back to that NBC commentating job. Nowadays I turn off the volume when I watch figure skating on NBC.
Never heard anybody speak this slooooowly...
Bless your hearts for uploading this
Jonathan is so excited when it comes to opera and he looks amazing with that suit.😂💖
Wonderful to see you both back...thank you😊❤️
Weeee oh happy day! Loads of love from Poland too 🥰
YAY!!!!!!! Wow, so been looking forward to this!
soooo happy you're back, i missed your recaps so much. thank you
Way to come back STRONG! Thank you. :)
I just love the way Sandra talks about skating. It's like she talks about a person she loves. Thank you for inviting her to the show. Very happy to see you both back and OK :)
Woohoo thank you for coming back for us🎉 🙌
My heart is filled with joy seeing TSL active and posting another awesome must-see video!
Welcome back, and a big yes to Gabby's new tango costume....was Sandra's burgendy turtleneck a nod to Guillame's free costume? Loved Jonathon and Sandra gushing over them (and I'm really here for the pairs).
I love Dave’s Russian accent it’s really amazing😂😂😂😂😂
meltemt02 I just saw Natasha the other day, so it is more in my brain!
Been waiting for this!!! 🍿
Good to see you guys back
Omg I’m so glad you are back!! We need you guys! You have such knowledge! And your interviews!only you provide us with so good infos about skating world! Please don’t leave ever again! And don’t get hurt by stupid people, they are not worth your energy!
I love watching old episodes when i was not aware of TSL yet!! Still relevant and great and nice conversatios😊
Happy you both are back!
So glad you’re back!💗
Love you guys so much and so great to have you back! (Can I just say I want to be reincarnated as Sandra Bezic?)
Welcome back!!!
Thank you for being such a blessing!
Happy that we all agree that Papadakis and Cizeron are actual gods and that a 10 point gap is not big enough
Can’t put my excitement into words!!!!
I'm so happy you're back! I was so sad this past week watching Europeans, because I really wanted to get your opinion on it. I'm one of those people who really only saw skating during the Olympics, however this past year I've really tried to stay committed to keeping up with the sport. I credit you and your channel for helping me stay interested and up to date with everything, especially considering I don't know a lot of the technical aspects. It helps being able to hear better insight than what I know. I was thrilled when I saw this video pop up and I'm both glad and relieved to know you guys are back!
Kate Douthat I feel the same. I hadn’t seriously watched skating since the early 2000’s. The Olympics pulled me back in and TSL has helped me learn so much.
Alina is so great and consistent in practice. They need to do something. I feel like they don't do a lot of run-throughs, I guess its her stamina that lets her down. Why don't they take away some transitions, simplify the program. NOBODY rewards that and it's too risky.
What do you mean, her PCS saved her when her jumps failed her, though I agree they can simplify the program a bit. We don't need a super rushed program everytime.
Just what I needed on this cold, cold day! Yaaaay!
Welcome back!!! What a great, great recap, every minute was a joy to watch. Love you guys so much! While I was watching Europeans I kept thinking, what would Dave and Jonathan say?
Welcome back, guys! Thank you for another great video on the skating competitions. Watching Javier Fernandez get his seventh medal made me both happy and sad; while I'm glad he got his much deserved 7th gold, I feel sad that he will no longer be competing. Watching this video of yours for the second time, with Sandra Bezic, about Javi and how wonderful he is made my two nights. It really was a surprise that Queen Yuna was on Revolution on Ice, Javi's show. Hopefully, she'll be on more ice shows and even go back to next year's Revolution On Ice. I'm happy for Vanessa and Morgan - they finally got a gold medal at Euros. They deserve it, their programs are excellent.
Was surprised at the skaters Matteo Rizzo and Kevin Aymoz. It looks like they could be real threats next year at Euros. I hoped that Alexia Paganini would have medalled, but was pleasantly surprised by Viveca Lindfors. The Russian skaters may not be so dominant this next quadrennial. I felt sorry for Mikhail Kolyada - everyone expects him to be able to go up against the likes of Javier Fernandez and Yuzuru Hanyu, but he ends up doing not so well in the free program. I hope he can take care of himself and get better in the upcoming competitions.
I'm not sure what to make of the John Coughlin issue, but Dave, don't stop what you're doing. Fans like me need you!
Lmao I lived for Dave’s Sofia commentary 😂 exactly how I feel while also congratulating a tenacious skater who pulled off a well deserved win.
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I'm so happy to see you guys back! Keep up the awesome content!
I HAVE TO GO TO WORK BUT I NEED TO WATCH DO I TAKE SICK LEAVE?
So great to hear about Javi's show firsthand. Thank you!
sandra your mysterious sassy bond girl is the masterpiece..
So happy you're back! So sorry you had to go through that.
Welcome back! Can't wait to watch Euros recap. It was so nice meeting you, Jonathan!
I am so thrilled you guys are back!!!!!! I was just so sad a couple days ago when I found the videos of last year are not available.
What an amazing, show!!! Thx team!!