@@markanixon77 Hehe. I used to watch Red Dwarf back when it first started. BK. Before Kryten. I don't think I've missed an episode of the BBC series. 😁
Ben. One of the best I appreciate the (your) North American news but he is an excellent source for Europe and the the other areas. As a Canadian, I love the previous comments re spelling. I say this with respect, but we in North America too often forget we are not the only inhabitants of this planet.
Roger Starkey lol. Well living in the land of snow and ice, we have to. Lol. We have had our Thanksgiving, but Happy Thanksgiving to our southern cousins. And for our Brit cousins, thank you for civilized pubs.
For me it's the 110-130 miles to visit my parents (one way) that I sometimes do as a return trip in a single day that is my fringe requirement. 250 miles real world range in any weather is the point where I no longer have range anxiety, or need to use a 3 pin plug at my parents (and their electricity) to charge.
47:55 Robert made his own shoes when he was 19 or 20 years old... so cool. Like Ben, I too have a pair of Allen Edmonds shoes that look very similar. So nice to see a pair of shoes that can be worn for years (until our feet expand as Robert points out). The foam and fabric disposable shoes we have now are comfortable and look good for such a short period of time. Rarely more than a year.
Robert, I still have a 70 Jaguar E-type OTS. I can put more in the Frunk of our Model 3 than I can in the boot of the OTS! I started my car career loving Brit iron and eventually the Datsun Z. The M3 is my second new car purchase in 45 years!
I'm going electric but the sound of the E-Type... hard to beat that. Mind getting in /out is a lesson in advanced yoga. You can't do that with any hint of elegance, unlike the car. And the ride although basic by modern standards, is still good. As to storage. Well you don't by an E-Type to go shopping. Unless you're just buying a jar of olives. If you want space, the Mk 10 would suit or perhaps the Jensen Interceptor.
Great conversation. The two of you being new to one another, at least in this venue, brought out new perspectives from each. And I say this as someone who is well familiar with both of your channels. I first started following Robert's channel from his carpoolUK channel , which was Comedians in Cars long before Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee, but with an eco-bent instead of classic cars.
Robert Carter They will have to as costs fall and Tesla eat into their mid-range and luxury sales. That is where most carmakers make their money. Plus as more countries and states make rules to phase out ICE vehicles in 2030, they will see big chunks of their future market disappear if they don't catch up fast. Otherwise Tesla, Hyundai etc will be impossible to compete with.
Agreed. The problem is Tesla is so much better at it. It is incredibly disappointing, especially as an american, to see so many companies resist the change, but having taken possession of my P3D+.... its a goddamn masterpiece. I mean its so good, I can't even put words to it. I would go as far as to say it is the best car ever made period. If you consider it can beat most ferraris on a track (for a time attack at least), it can out run almost all street legal OEM cars on the drag strip (and has allegedly beaten the demon in the 1/8, but I am not sure about that), its cheaper than a Prius to drive per mile after initial purchase cost, and the interior is better than a BMW M series, all in a package that is expensive, but not unreasonable, and cargo capacity you will never get out of any other performance track capable car, period. I can compare my car to other EVs, but why the hell would I? Name another EV that even comes close to a P3D. It can't be done. Not for the price, not for the performance, not for the range, and not for the practicality, the closest thing is another Tesla, and even THOSE aren't as good on a track, and cost a lot more for models that out perform it, though they do come with double the cargo.
@@dreiak Hi Erik - what's a P3D? Is it a Tesla Model 3 All wheel drive?! I have one on order here in the UK since it was announced but us Right Hand Drivers will be last on the build tracks...
P3D is short-hand for the Performance Model 3. Model S and X use the prefix "P" to denote the performance version and the suffix "D" to denote a dual motor version, so Tesla fans have created the moniker "P3D" for the performance model 3, which somewhat follows the convention that the S and X use. Since the performance model 3 has a 75kWh battery, I guess it should really be called a Model 3 P75D, but no-one refers to it that way, which I think is a shame.
Prince of Wales was a title granted to princes born in Wales from the 12th century onwards; the term replaced the use of the word king. One of the last Welsh princes, Llywelyn ap Gruffudd, was killed in battle in 1282 by Edward I, King of England, whose son Edward (born in Caernarfon Castle in 1284) was invested as the first English Prince of Wales in 1301. Since the 14th century, the title has been a dynastic title granted to the heir apparent to the English or British monarch, but the failure to be granted the title does not affect the rights to royal succession. The title is granted to the heir apparent as a personal honour or dignity, and is not heritable, merging with the Crown on accession to the throne. The title Earl of Chester is always given in conjunction with that of Prince of Wales. The Prince of Wales usually has other titles and honours.
When you mentioned the Nissan E-NV 200, I was kinda cringing. A good friend of mine works in UK with a delivery company that bought a fleet of these EV vans, and per his experience, their range on a charge in winter was so extremely poor that their drivers had to opt to NOT use electric cabin heating to conserve energy and use seat heating at best. He stated that 40 miles on a charge in winter was best they could do. I attribute such a poor range on a charge to several reasons. Li-ion batteries are notoriously sensitive to low temperatures, especially in Nissan E-NV 200 which is basically a remodelled Leaf with 24 KWh battery at best (with first generation). Add full cargo load, and no wonder the range in winter is so low.
Yes we do need that many and more public chargers, because of the the amount of people with cars that don't have a dedicated parking space to put a charger because they live in a flat or don't have off street parking. Workplace chargers are the first important one, these can be cheap slow chargers as they are parked all day. And Shops, Supermarkets etc need medium fast chargers 20-50kW so they can get a decent charge for the half hour to few hours or so that they are parked shopping. And then the motorway systems need banks of rapid chargers (at least 100kW) with lots of points for sudden influxes, Like Tesla Superchargers.
SmokyFrosty Yep. Hit the respective nails on the heads there. So many people assume that if you can afford an EV, you'll also own a house with off-street parking, to charge your vehicle at home. And that you'll almost never drive more than 130mi/240km from home. And if you ask nicely, an employer will install a charge point, maybe two or three, (in their non-existent car park).
I was lucky to get to Bobby's "Fully Charged Live!" event held in Silverstone Race Circuit during August this year. I was also taken to and from the parking via one of the many "Tesla Taxis" Bobby mentioned. I recall it was a white Model S with white painted wheels. Myself and the other occupants got properly "Ludicrous'ed" on one of the straights. It's kind of like in between a Theme Park ride and a Movie Special effect. Not even my beloved old Jaguar XJ-S with a V12 motor could deliver that kind of Starship acceleration.
200 miles range is what we'll be looking for. Could accept 175, but no less. We often need to cover that distance in a day, in a county with very few public charging points that are faster than 7 kW (most of the small total are as slow as 3kW). And no way can we afford to wait for 4 hours or more to recharge every 75 miles. My bladder range (I'm older than Robert) is not coffee-dictated, and is at least 200 miles on motorways.
In Sydney Australia, only about 15% of particulate matter in the air is from ICE engines, the rest is from tyres, dust and solid/oil fuel heaters. Hydrogen fuel cells will always need the air scrubbed clean.
Great conversation. Ubiquity sounds good, though efficiency prioritization within that is natural. Electricians will likely be overbooked for decades to come so less may be more, depending on best overall needs. Anyway, the plugs are now partly an assuring advertisement for those new to EVs.
The biggest takeaway for me was at 1:00:20, when Robert talks about functioning solid state batteries that have 10x the energy density of current lithium ion batteries (made of carbon, no degradation, no heating issues, lighter weight). Once this is realized, a standard EV range would jump from 200-300 miles to over 2 or 3 THOUSAND miles of range. Assuming reasonable cost, a current Tesla would seem primitive, and ICE vehicles would seem ridiculous. An exciting next few years on planet Earth.
Ben: As much as I love listening and watching your UA-cam videos (and I really like following your channel), you really do need to know when to use "he and I" and NOT "me and him". I'm sure Robert was cringing as much as I was.
Canadians call it Canola Oil. SuperCharging lets me travel with few restrictions as recharging human fuel takes longer than the car, I use one monthly.
Listening to the recommended range of an EV of being around 200miles when I'm planning my 400mile round trip tomorrow which for me is a regular occurrence is frustrating. Might be fine for 95% of the population but not for those of us fixing other peoples problems and having to travel so far on each journey. Did 440miles yesterday. I would not want to have to spend time at a charging station on route when I'm already short on sleep and held up by hours on our unfit for purpose motorways here in the UK. It's actually possible to spend 10hours on a journey in the UK. Spent 6hours just going London to home (200)mile, and another journey from Cardiff to Edinburgh (420mile) took 11hours when M6 was closed which seems a regular occurrence.
The simple way to create charging points everywhere is to put a simple socket on every streetlight pole after that light is converted to LED lighting. LED compared to regular streetlights high press sodium light bulb technology drops the power requirements by 90 percent by going to LED. When switching the streetlights to LED if they also added a 240 volt outlet without a cable then ev charging would literally be everywhere. The EV owner simply provides his own cable to plug his EV in to charge at at 15-20 amps will charge the EV overnight or during the workday so you don't need a dedicated charger unless you need a higher charge rate for a road trip. Cheers!
I have always felt that if Ireland and the UK ever wanted to change over to Left Hand Drive, autonomous cars would be a great help in the changeover period.
Steve McCormack, Pls Wash Your Mouth Out With Soap! Any red blooded Englishman will tell you that we are driving on the CORRECT side of the road :-). Just because Napoleon wanted to give the finger to the Pope in Europe, and drive on the WRONG side, (and Teamsters wanted to drive on the RHS in the States as it was easier to control their horses, what with them riding on the rearmost left animal so that a whip in the right hand could reach the whole team without crossing their own body, and they could also see oncoming traffic from the middle of the road), does not mean that they are right, LOL. There is a list on Google that has 65 countries driving on the Left. One of them is the "U.S." Virgin Islands !
Great chat. The ideal range answer is probably 250-350, like a common ICE car. However, the charging speed is the real issue. We need to get to 80% in less than 15 mins without doing serious damage to the battery. The most important tech advance here will be heat management and electric power meditation. I don't know much about electricity, but 400 kW charging is probably very stressful to the grid and the battery. I could magically put 400 kW in 10 charging stations at every American gas station. But, the EVs would all limit that because it would fry their batteries.
It takes me more than 10 hours to drive to Skye from Cambridge, so there are plenty of > 10hr trips even within the UK. And if you include the rest of Europe some things are really quite a long way. I drive to Austria most years and that's typically 16 hours from Dunquerque, 19 from Cambridge (and you can't charge on the boat yet). Bottom of France is ~12 hours. Far edge of Spain is 20 hours, and so on. Go to Greece or Albania and that's getting to be a really long drive you really can't do in a day. OK, it's not quite as big as the US, but there is no shortage of long drives, and if you've ever tried going caving, climbing or campervan-ing by train, sometimes you really do need a car for all the kit. My van does 650 miles on a tank so I can get to Austria with one or two fills. OK, that's more than most cars, but people like me really are in the market for 300 mile, quite spacious, vehicles. The Buzz might do the trick, or a Master with a 3-times bigger battery. Or the Rivian base with a camper body. I'm sure we'll get there, but 150 mile cars don't really help at all. I have a bike for short trips to work/shops/pub, which is 96% of then.
Robert Llewellyn is a soul reason to love Europe. Don't get me wrong I love Elon Musk and Tesla but we pride ourselves on individuality or at least we used to but I would like to millions of electric car variants other than just Tesla.
? The Kona and Nero EVs (why nothing was said about the Nero I do not know!), have their 'front grill's filled in with a solid sheet and the charge port cover. And they look horrible! Only the PHEV / Hybrid models have a functioning grill. The I Pace comes from a company that is as bothered about STYLE and looks, as it is about performance. It LOOKS right. For all that it does not look as good as the '18 Leaf, or I Pace, I am still looking at getting a BEV Kia Nero next year, as it is such a great car !
scalextric cars toys used under road power in the 70s, fifty years forward we have under road charging, with roadside wind charging , solar charging, wind turbines for miles, plus we can now have ALL WEATHER ROADS.
This guy could make stamp collecting sound funny and interesting, I could watch him talk all day. Scrapheap Challenge was one of my favourite shows back in the day, and Red Dwarf is a cult classic to boot. Shame his cohost on fully charged is... less engaging.
@@zlozlozlo he is knowleable, intelligent and informative, but put him next to Robert and he comes off as passionless. It's not his fault, and I didn't say he wasn't good at his job. Just watch his face in the Porsche 918 Spider with Nico Rosberg. Mild apprehension. Hardly even cracks a smile, whilst Nico is giving it the beans. You want a guy that doesn't just say he is excited about something but actually makes you believe it too.
@@MrGonzonator I don't think Robert could have picked a better co-host tbh. Johnny knows a lot about cars, is a great communicator, and his dry sense of humour works perfectly with Robert's. I don't see how you get a passionless vibe from him. He might not be jumping up and down, and whooping during reviews, but it's clear he loves cars, both old and new.
I've had a Zoe for 18 months now and although the range is fine most of the time it really needs 300 miles or a five minute top up time and 200 miles range to make is as practical as an ICE car for me. I really like the car and enjoy the driving experience but on the occasional long journey I have to drive slower and take longer breaks to charge, this is currently mitigated by the miniscule running costs. It would also help if there were enough chargers to allow me to make journeys without planning where to charge too. I think it is a great pity the I-Pace is so inefficient, just think what the range would be if it could get 4 miles per kwh.
Sorry I love this man, I'm straight hetro, not gay, not attracted to him. But he gives me some good vibes and Frission feelings. I think I'd go as far and say I'd go for a bromance. They say humour is what attracts men to women ??? Is that it ? Please someone help me. I'm confused, can a man love another man without sexual thoughts ???? Am I wrong ? Do I need therapy ???
But what BEV advocates don't realize is that people want to take roadtrips more than 200 miles plus even at work they may need take a client somewhere But on the plus side people wait at gas stations and with fast charging taking 15 to 30 minutes and science improving the charging speeds who knows with 'super capacitors' being improved in their energy densities
58:24 "....you drive to a busy city street and there's nowhere to park.. you just get out and the car drives off..." With your shopping in the back!.... (I know, just kidding!)
Personally living in Europe for me 300 miles / 500 km of official range with fast charging that takes 30min or less is the point where an EV gets equivalent to an ICE car in flexibility. 300 miles / 500 km of official range gives you more than 225 miles / 350km to really work with (charging only to 80-90% for battery health and leaving 5-10% at the bottom to not run the battery "dry"). With 350 km of real range I can get to all relevant places and back without recharging, even when sacrificing some range for speed. If I have to do longer trips I only have to charge once to get everywhere else in Germany. That small bit of planning does not matter to me and now I also stop at least once for fuel and to pee anyways.
hi from 15ml west of edinburgh. re 30:00 whats the area round superchargers like in us ??? given it takes time to charge shouldnt they be nice places to stop tea/coffee snack restrooms play area etc
The “United Queendom” brings back memories of the Queen’s Scout scouting award (the equivalent in the British Commonwealth to the US Eagle Scout award). I qualified for this award in Australia right after the death of King George VI. So I became a “Queen’s Scout” instead of a “King’s Scout,” much to my frustration!
Tesla has a store in downtown Düsseldorf and it has been mobbed recently. People are standing in line just to sit in the Model 3. About range, I doubt it is a limiting factor for EV sales now. Lack of batteries is the limiting factor, so putting bigger batteries in vehicles seems counterproductive. There are ten hour drives in Europe. For example Hamburg to Vienna is over ten hours. But flying or taking a train makes a lot more sense. Why drive at all?
Steven Barrett Americans are being awkward. All British colonies drive on the right side like uk, even Japan which the British helped with tech early on.
As I understand all nations defeated by napoleon were forced to start riding their horses on the right of the road, Great Britain was never defeated unlike the Europeans who exported their defeated habits to the new world of America ( once we brits had given it back! ).
Can you do a peice on the batteries developed at Bristol university using nuclear waste that stay charged for 5000 years they where asking the public for ideas on how to use them
Biodiesel uses Palm Oil. The Palm Oil Industry is destroying large rain forests in Indonesia to grow palm trees for selling palm oil. The biggest use of palm oil is in bio diesel. So even bio diesel causes large scale deforestation.
@@evthink Well, both yes and no, HVO100 uses PFAD which is a unusable part that comes out of the palmoil production. Although is is "only" 5% of the total product that is currently PFAD, the rest is a combination of among others cellulose, animal remnants from slughter houses, used frying oil and the such. I am not trying to excuse it but, well it is a choice between fossil oil which is also really bad or HVO100 which then is only 5% "bad". However HVO100 has been made w/o palmoil for quite some time as well, but not all manufacturers do that.
@@pegr69 so your point is it's relatively better. I would agree. But also worried about losing our last remaining Rainforests. Hope there are better ways to make bio diesel soon.
I cam here to listen about electric cars, but oh my gosh... I miss the UK SOOO much and all the peculiar British things that come along with it! :D Also:
Cars driving around empty is the worst aspect of a self-driving future. It's bad enough when most 4-seaters on the road only have 1 person inside. You can imagine the really filthy rich having several hovering around at their beck and call.
what..... if u willl have car that goes only 150 miles ...that means u gona rent the car when u go long distance? renting or keeping the second car is just not the option for single car families... 400miles EVs are basics
I do enjoy owning and driving my car. Waiting for an autonomous car to pick me up seems to be too much like riding the subway or a bus in New York City. That was the only time in my life I did not owned a car for a few years.
Compare I-Pace to P3D+. Tesla has better handling, better speed, better range, lower cost. I don't buy it. This car is still just 2nd best, even if its not a bad car compared to other cars, the P3D is simply the best car on the market today, and maybe the best car ever made period. It is so many pros, and so few cons. I suppose the I-Pace might be a bit more comfortable on dirt, gravel, and off road, but lets be honest, who the hell buys a jag for that? Realistically it will be a daily driver city car and grocery getter. I am still confused why so many people want a worse drive on daily boring streets in an SUV than in a car, which is far more fun on the streets to drive than an SUV. This thing isn't big enough for the extra size or storage to be a good excuse.
Your Tesla Rob, is a big car; don't you remember Detroit's 'bigger cars, bigger profits' ? Anyway I love my Australian big car, Holden Statesman; about the size of a Tesla which I have driven and thought that they were quite similar! Big boot(trunk) big cabin, big-ish engine (3.8 l V6) and plenty of room for a road trip to Qld.!!
My first car was terrible. A v8 mercury cougar. low output V8 at that. A full tank of gas, about 65-70 litres, only took you 400km. You could manage 430km if you ran it dry and at low highway speeds. If I could get into all sort of teenage shenanigans with that old junker then an electric with 400km highway range is just fine. That's about 250 miles for the Americans. the plan is still to by a model 3 or a Hyundai Kona, both will have ranges close or above that 400km mark. A long trip would mean 700 km a day if you start with a full charge and charge once to 80% during the day. That is more than enough.
Mark Plott , I am aware of Tesla’s lead in Li Ion battery. My interest is still piqued by Robert’s mention of SS battery. Let me know if you are aware of the co behind the tech.
Chargemaster director will call you entitled tesla owner, because you want to use the debit/credit card. He recently made it clear on twitter that only tesla drivers want this.
Think less 'poor battery,' think more "Performance Car!" If an ICE Jag does only 20 mpg, because it is being driven like a race car, the owners do not mind, as that is the reason that they bought it ! Same will apply to a BEV Jag. If range is an issue for them, they will get a Tesla. As well ! (Oh how the 'other half' lives :-).
It would be great if eventually low speed chargers are everywhere then in large car parks they have a few stalls that cost extra and have high speed chargers.
I'm pretty sure Robert would have chatted all day. And I would have been quite prepared to listen too. 😎
Rambler Andy if you haven’t already, I’d suggest you check out “Red Dwarf” he’s always been awesome. Lol. 👍🙊🙈🙉
@@markanixon77 Hehe. I used to watch Red Dwarf back when it first started. BK. Before Kryten. I don't think I've missed an episode of the BBC series. 😁
@@ramblerandy2397
*Which* Kryten?
Mk 1?
Or the vastly improved and quite frankly immeasurably more handsome MK 2? (😉)
@@rogerstarkey5390 Both!
Really like Robert and Fully Charged is probably the best show on EVs and renewable energy
Ben thanks for making TeslaCon available on UA-cam.
Stay tuned for more each day this week! Ring that notification bell ;)
Ben. One of the best I appreciate the (your) North American news but he is an excellent source for Europe and the the other areas. As a Canadian, I love the previous comments re spelling. I say this with respect, but we in North America too often forget we are not the only inhabitants of this planet.
Ah! But the "NORTH" North Americans have a sense of humour!
Roger Starkey lol. Well living in the land of snow and ice, we have to. Lol. We have had our Thanksgiving, but Happy Thanksgiving to our southern cousins. And for our Brit cousins, thank you for civilized pubs.
For me it's the 110-130 miles to visit my parents (one way) that I sometimes do as a return trip in a single day that is my fringe requirement. 250 miles real world range in any weather is the point where I no longer have range anxiety, or need to use a 3 pin plug at my parents (and their electricity) to charge.
refreshing when there's no dumbing down of content, and no need to convince the interviewer of the legitimacy of EVs.
Next time you do this, please unplug the mouse. So distracting, windows popping up, dim-bright-dim, 240-720-240.
Great to have Robert on Teslononics! Thanx Ben & Bob:)
So much culture and politeness! Llewellyn is just amazing! What a lecture! Thank you!
Can't believe I haven't watched Robert before. And I'm English. Great show. Very informative and entertaining.
Ben and Bobby in the same video! Two of my favs chatting together, makes for some great listening!
Time stamps would be great
47:55 Robert made his own shoes when he was 19 or 20 years old... so cool. Like Ben, I too have a pair of Allen Edmonds shoes that look very similar. So nice to see a pair of shoes that can be worn for years (until our feet expand as Robert points out). The foam and fabric disposable shoes we have now are comfortable and look good for such a short period of time. Rarely more than a year.
Robert, I still have a 70 Jaguar E-type OTS. I can put more in the Frunk of our Model 3 than I can in the boot of the OTS! I started my car career loving Brit iron and eventually the Datsun Z. The M3 is my second new car purchase in 45 years!
George Cohn if you were cool, you'd turn that Etype into electric.
I'm going electric but the sound of the E-Type... hard to beat that. Mind getting in /out is a lesson in advanced yoga. You can't do that with any hint of elegance, unlike the car. And the ride although basic by modern standards, is still good. As to storage. Well you don't by an E-Type to go shopping. Unless you're just buying a jar of olives. If you want space, the Mk 10 would suit or perhaps the Jensen Interceptor.
Sorry, @George, but it's a “Model3”. M3 is dino-juice powered...
Great conversation. The two of you being new to one another, at least in this venue, brought out new perspectives from each. And I say this as someone who is well familiar with both of your channels. I first started following Robert's channel from his carpoolUK channel , which was Comedians in Cars long before Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee, but with an eco-bent instead of classic cars.
Remember Tesla can't do everything alone, it's OK for other manufactures to step up.
Robert Carter
They will have to as costs fall and Tesla eat into their mid-range and luxury sales. That is where most carmakers make their money. Plus as more countries and states make rules to phase out ICE vehicles in 2030, they will see big chunks of their future market disappear if they don't catch up fast. Otherwise Tesla, Hyundai etc will be impossible to compete with.
@@michaelrch
Costs are falling fast and Tesla *has* eaten into their sales, it seems even in Europe, where the M3 isn't even on sale (yet).
Agreed. The problem is Tesla is so much better at it. It is incredibly disappointing, especially as an american, to see so many companies resist the change, but having taken possession of my P3D+.... its a goddamn masterpiece. I mean its so good, I can't even put words to it. I would go as far as to say it is the best car ever made period. If you consider it can beat most ferraris on a track (for a time attack at least), it can out run almost all street legal OEM cars on the drag strip (and has allegedly beaten the demon in the 1/8, but I am not sure about that), its cheaper than a Prius to drive per mile after initial purchase cost, and the interior is better than a BMW M series, all in a package that is expensive, but not unreasonable, and cargo capacity you will never get out of any other performance track capable car, period.
I can compare my car to other EVs, but why the hell would I? Name another EV that even comes close to a P3D. It can't be done. Not for the price, not for the performance, not for the range, and not for the practicality, the closest thing is another Tesla, and even THOSE aren't as good on a track, and cost a lot more for models that out perform it, though they do come with double the cargo.
@@dreiak Hi Erik - what's a P3D? Is it a Tesla Model 3 All wheel drive?! I have one on order here in the UK since it was announced but us Right Hand Drivers will be last on the build tracks...
P3D is short-hand for the Performance Model 3. Model S and X use the prefix "P" to denote the performance version and the suffix "D" to denote a dual motor version, so Tesla fans have created the moniker "P3D" for the performance model 3, which somewhat follows the convention that the S and X use. Since the performance model 3 has a 75kWh battery, I guess it should really be called a Model 3 P75D, but no-one refers to it that way, which I think is a shame.
Great episode! Always love to hear Robert talk EV tech, his channel covers nearly every aspect of sustainability.
Two of my favorite people!
And that's just Robert! (and Kryten)?
a magic blend of 2 great channels!
No wing mirrors!? Just when I am finally getting the hang of using the passenger-side mirror.
Prince of Wales was a title granted to princes born in Wales from the 12th century onwards; the term replaced the use of the word king. One of the last Welsh princes, Llywelyn ap Gruffudd, was killed in battle in 1282 by Edward I, King of England, whose son Edward (born in Caernarfon Castle in 1284) was invested as the first English Prince of Wales in 1301.
Since the 14th century, the title has been a dynastic title granted to the heir apparent to the English or British monarch, but the failure to be granted the title does not affect the rights to royal succession. The title is granted to the heir apparent as a personal honour or dignity, and is not heritable, merging with the Crown on accession to the throne. The title Earl of Chester is always given in conjunction with that of Prince of Wales. The Prince of Wales usually has other titles and honours.
Interesting reading of history!
I knew Kryten would like Tesla.
There is an extremely good Fully Charged episode on the Electric E-type that Bobby has forgotten about, lol ;)
Thanks for honest discussion. Model 3 sense July 2018.
Love Red Dwarf, great interview.
When you mentioned the Nissan E-NV 200, I was kinda cringing. A good friend of mine works in UK with a delivery company that bought a fleet of these EV vans, and per his experience, their range on a charge in winter was so extremely poor that their drivers had to opt to NOT use electric cabin heating to conserve energy and use seat heating at best. He stated that 40 miles on a charge in winter was best they could do.
I attribute such a poor range on a charge to several reasons. Li-ion batteries are notoriously sensitive to low temperatures, especially in Nissan E-NV 200 which is basically a remodelled Leaf with 24 KWh battery at best (with first generation). Add full cargo load, and no wonder the range in winter is so low.
Awesome chat! Was the physicist he mentioned Helen Czerski? Then I'd have to order that almanac! :-)
The irony of the adverts between the videos are ICE cars 😂
Yes we do need that many and more public chargers, because of the the amount of people with cars that don't have a dedicated parking space to put a charger because they live in a flat or don't have off street parking. Workplace chargers are the first important one, these can be cheap slow chargers as they are parked all day. And Shops, Supermarkets etc need medium fast chargers 20-50kW so they can get a decent charge for the half hour to few hours or so that they are parked shopping. And then the motorway systems need banks of rapid chargers (at least 100kW) with lots of points for sudden influxes, Like Tesla Superchargers.
SmokyFrosty
Yep. Hit the respective nails on the heads there. So many people assume that if you can afford an EV, you'll also own a house with off-street parking, to charge your vehicle at home. And that you'll almost never drive more than 130mi/240km from home. And if you ask nicely, an employer will install a charge point, maybe two or three, (in their non-existent car park).
My 2 favorite EV guys! dont tell Zac and Jesse
Remember when talking about electric cars people would say “who would want to drive a milk float?”?
Tesla model 3.... some milk float!
I was lucky to get to Bobby's "Fully Charged Live!" event held in Silverstone Race Circuit during August this year. I was also taken to and from the parking via one of the many "Tesla Taxis" Bobby mentioned. I recall it was a white Model S with white painted wheels. Myself and the other occupants got properly "Ludicrous'ed" on one of the straights. It's kind of like in between a Theme Park ride and a Movie Special effect. Not even my beloved old Jaguar XJ-S with a V12 motor could deliver that kind of Starship acceleration.
200 miles range is what we'll be looking for. Could accept 175, but no less. We often need to cover that distance in a day, in a county with very few public charging points that are faster than 7 kW (most of the small total are as slow as 3kW). And no way can we afford to wait for 4 hours or more to recharge every 75 miles. My bladder range (I'm older than Robert) is not coffee-dictated, and is at least 200 miles on motorways.
UPS turning right for deliveries was also on an episode of Mythbusters.
Robert , you are an EV treasure!
In Sydney Australia, only about 15% of particulate matter in the air is from ICE engines, the rest is from tyres, dust and solid/oil fuel heaters. Hydrogen fuel cells will always need the air scrubbed clean.
That's so cool, i didn't know that Robert was an actor. Nice.
Great conversation. Ubiquity sounds good, though efficiency prioritization within that is natural. Electricians will likely be overbooked for decades to come so less may be more, depending on best overall needs. Anyway, the plugs are now partly an assuring advertisement for those new to EVs.
The biggest takeaway for me was at 1:00:20, when Robert talks about functioning solid state batteries that have 10x the energy density of current lithium ion batteries (made of carbon, no degradation, no heating issues, lighter weight). Once this is realized, a standard EV range would jump from 200-300 miles to over 2 or 3 THOUSAND miles of range. Assuming reasonable cost, a current Tesla would seem primitive, and ICE vehicles would seem ridiculous. An exciting next few years on planet Earth.
"Kia Soul EV, this little hamster toaster thing." Worthy of being a line in Red Dwarf - Rimmer I think.
Put the super chargers in the street lights
Ben: As much as I love listening and watching your UA-cam videos (and I really like following your channel), you really do need to know when to use "he and I" and NOT "me and him". I'm sure Robert was cringing as much as I was.
Canadians call it Canola Oil. SuperCharging lets me travel with few restrictions as recharging human fuel takes longer than the car, I use one monthly.
Listening to the recommended range of an EV of being around 200miles when I'm planning my 400mile round trip tomorrow which for me is a regular occurrence is frustrating. Might be fine for 95% of the population but not for those of us fixing other peoples problems and having to travel so far on each journey. Did 440miles yesterday. I would not want to have to spend time at a charging station on route when I'm already short on sleep and held up by hours on our unfit for purpose motorways here in the UK. It's actually possible to spend 10hours on a journey in the UK. Spent 6hours just going London to home (200)mile, and another journey from Cardiff to Edinburgh (420mile) took 11hours when M6 was closed which seems a regular occurrence.
Teslacon was so great. Make a debate hour next year. 😄
can you upload the whole tesla con event in one video!
The simple way to create charging points everywhere is to put a simple socket on every streetlight pole after that light is converted to LED lighting. LED compared to regular streetlights high press sodium light bulb technology drops the power requirements by 90 percent by going to LED. When switching the streetlights to LED if they also added a 240 volt outlet without a cable then ev charging would literally be everywhere. The EV owner simply provides his own cable to plug his EV in to charge at at 15-20 amps will charge the EV overnight or during the workday so you don't need a dedicated charger unless you need a higher charge rate for a road trip.
Cheers!
I have always felt that if Ireland and the UK ever wanted to change over to Left Hand Drive, autonomous cars would be a great help in the changeover period.
Steve McCormack, Pls Wash Your Mouth Out With Soap! Any red blooded Englishman will tell you that we are driving on the CORRECT side of the road :-). Just because Napoleon wanted to give the finger to the Pope in Europe, and drive on the WRONG side, (and Teamsters wanted to drive on the RHS in the States as it was easier to control their horses, what with them riding on the rearmost left animal so that a whip in the right hand could reach the whole team without crossing their own body, and they could also see oncoming traffic from the middle of the road), does not mean that they are right, LOL.
There is a list on Google that has 65 countries driving on the Left. One of them is the "U.S." Virgin Islands !
Great chat. The ideal range answer is probably 250-350, like a common ICE car. However, the charging speed is the real issue. We need to get to 80% in less than 15 mins without doing serious damage to the battery. The most important tech advance here will be heat management and electric power meditation. I don't know much about electricity, but 400 kW charging is probably very stressful to the grid and the battery. I could magically put 400 kW in 10 charging stations at every American gas station. But, the EVs would all limit that because it would fry their batteries.
It takes me more than 10 hours to drive to Skye from Cambridge, so there are plenty of > 10hr trips even within the UK. And if you include the rest of Europe some things are really quite a long way. I drive to Austria most years and that's typically 16 hours from Dunquerque, 19 from Cambridge (and you can't charge on the boat yet). Bottom of France is ~12 hours. Far edge of Spain is 20 hours, and so on. Go to Greece or Albania and that's getting to be a really long drive you really can't do in a day. OK, it's not quite as big as the US, but there is no shortage of long drives, and if you've ever tried going caving, climbing or campervan-ing by train, sometimes you really do need a car for all the kit. My van does 650 miles on a tank so I can get to Austria with one or two fills. OK, that's more than most cars, but people like me really are in the market for 300 mile, quite spacious, vehicles. The Buzz might do the trick, or a Master with a 3-times bigger battery. Or the Rivian base with a camper body. I'm sure we'll get there, but 150 mile cars don't really help at all. I have a bike for short trips to work/shops/pub, which is 96% of then.
Robert Llewellyn is a soul reason to love Europe. Don't get me wrong I love Elon Musk and Tesla but we pride ourselves on individuality or at least we used to but I would like to millions of electric car variants other than just Tesla.
Why do the IPace and Kona have front grills ?
? The Kona and Nero EVs (why nothing was said about the Nero I do not know!), have their 'front grill's filled in with a solid sheet and the charge port cover. And they look horrible! Only the PHEV / Hybrid models have a functioning grill. The I Pace comes from a company that is as bothered about STYLE and looks, as it is about performance. It LOOKS right.
For all that it does not look as good as the '18 Leaf, or I Pace, I am still looking at getting a BEV Kia Nero next year, as it is such a great car !
The iPace, Kona & Niro platforms ALL have an ICE version. Thus they need space for a grill.
great interview!
The spanish bad word is Conyo. Not Kona ....
Portuguese word, not spanish.
I wonder if the Renault Groupe will buy the GM factory in Toronto and make the pickup along the Zoe with the Kangoo ze.
A most pleasant and informative interview.
scalextric cars toys used under road power in the 70s, fifty years forward we have under road charging, with roadside wind charging , solar charging, wind turbines for miles, plus we can now have ALL WEATHER ROADS.
This guy could make stamp collecting sound funny and interesting, I could watch him talk all day. Scrapheap Challenge was one of my favourite shows back in the day, and Red Dwarf is a cult classic to boot. Shame his cohost on fully charged is... less engaging.
MrGonzonator I beg to differ, I love Johnny Smith
At first I thought Johnny was a bit meh, but give him time. He grows on you.
@@zlozlozlo he is knowleable, intelligent and informative, but put him next to Robert and he comes off as passionless. It's not his fault, and I didn't say he wasn't good at his job. Just watch his face in the Porsche 918 Spider with Nico Rosberg. Mild apprehension. Hardly even cracks a smile, whilst Nico is giving it the beans. You want a guy that doesn't just say he is excited about something but actually makes you believe it too.
@@MrGonzonator I don't think Robert could have picked a better co-host tbh. Johnny knows a lot about cars, is a great communicator, and his dry sense of humour works perfectly with Robert's. I don't see how you get a passionless vibe from him. He might not be jumping up and down, and whooping during reviews, but it's clear he loves cars, both old and new.
@@MrGonzonator Are you implying Johnny is like the digestive biscuit of presenters? That's simply outrageous, I see him more like a chocolate HobNob.
I've had a Zoe for 18 months now and although the range is fine most of the time it really needs 300 miles or a five minute top up time and 200 miles range to make is as practical as an ICE car for me. I really like the car and enjoy the driving experience but on the occasional long journey I have to drive slower and take longer breaks to charge, this is currently mitigated by the miniscule running costs. It would also help if there were enough chargers to allow me to make journeys without planning where to charge too. I think it is a great pity the I-Pace is so inefficient, just think what the range would be if it could get 4 miles per kwh.
is type 2 in the UK not 11kW / 22kW ?
Sorry I love this man, I'm straight hetro, not gay, not attracted to him. But he gives me some good vibes and Frission feelings.
I think I'd go as far and say I'd go for a bromance. They say humour is what attracts men to women ??? Is that it ? Please someone help me. I'm confused, can a man love another man without sexual thoughts ???? Am I wrong ? Do I need therapy ???
But what BEV advocates don't realize is that people want to take roadtrips more than 200 miles plus even at work they may need take a client somewhere
But on the plus side people wait at gas stations and with fast charging taking 15 to 30 minutes and science improving the charging speeds who knows with 'super capacitors' being improved in their energy densities
We Need timestamps!
58:24
"....you drive to a busy city street and there's nowhere to park.. you just get out and the car drives off..." With your shopping in the back!.... (I know, just kidding!)
Many a true word is spoken in Jest. Who has NOT left something on the bus or train?
@@coniow
True.
"We can't get them Tesla's
in the UK". So who gives? I've ordered a Kona, delivery in March, and that will do me fine.
Personally living in Europe for me 300 miles / 500 km of official range with fast charging that takes 30min or less is the point where an EV gets equivalent to an ICE car in flexibility. 300 miles / 500 km of official range gives you more than 225 miles / 350km to really work with (charging only to 80-90% for battery health and leaving 5-10% at the bottom to not run the battery "dry").
With 350 km of real range I can get to all relevant places and back without recharging, even when sacrificing some range for speed. If I have to do longer trips I only have to charge once to get everywhere else in Germany. That small bit of planning does not matter to me and now I also stop at least once for fuel and to pee anyways.
hi from 15ml west of edinburgh. re 30:00 whats the area round superchargers like in us ??? given it takes time to charge shouldnt they be nice places to stop tea/coffee snack restrooms play area etc
Check out Zap-Map online and you'll see
The “United Queendom” brings back memories of the Queen’s Scout scouting award (the equivalent in the British Commonwealth to the US Eagle Scout award). I qualified for this award in Australia right after the death of King George VI. So I became a “Queen’s Scout” instead of a “King’s Scout,” much to my frustration!
Tesla has a store in downtown Düsseldorf and it has been mobbed recently. People are standing in line just to sit in the Model 3.
About range, I doubt it is a limiting factor for EV sales now. Lack of batteries is the limiting factor, so putting bigger batteries in vehicles seems counterproductive. There are ten hour drives in Europe. For example Hamburg to Vienna is over ten hours. But flying or taking a train makes a lot more sense. Why drive at all?
We do drive on the correct side of the road !
Steven Barrett Americans are being awkward. All British colonies drive on the right side like uk, even Japan which the British helped with tech early on.
As I understand all nations defeated by napoleon were forced to start riding their horses on the right of the road, Great Britain was never defeated unlike the Europeans who exported their defeated habits to the new world of America ( once we brits had given it back! ).
Steven Barrett yes, sign of defeat !!! The only evidence you need is Japan do it the right way.
The Queen is still riding Robert!
Can you do a peice on the batteries developed at Bristol university using nuclear waste that stay charged for 5000 years they where asking the public for ideas on how to use them
Shhh! Don't tell every body! GM will buy up the Tech and bury it so it won't compete with them! :-)
Ipace handles better than a Model S??? Not likely
And Malta on the left :)
What does Robert work with besides youtubeing?
Caio Trevisan he is/was an actor. Look up the TV series "Red Dwarf". He never plugs that side of his life.
In Sweden the biodiesel HVO100 has become very popular, we import a lot from finland.
Biodiesel uses Palm Oil. The Palm Oil Industry is destroying large rain forests in Indonesia to grow palm trees for selling palm oil. The biggest use of palm oil is in bio diesel. So even bio diesel causes large scale deforestation.
@@evthink Well, both yes and no, HVO100 uses PFAD which is a unusable part that comes out of the palmoil production. Although is is "only" 5% of the total product that is currently PFAD, the rest is a combination of among others cellulose, animal remnants from slughter houses, used frying oil and the such. I am not trying to excuse it but, well it is a choice between fossil oil which is also really bad or HVO100 which then is only 5% "bad". However HVO100 has been made w/o palmoil for quite some time as well, but not all manufacturers do that.
@@pegr69 so your point is it's relatively better. I would agree. But also worried about losing our last remaining Rainforests. Hope there are better ways to make bio diesel soon.
@@evthink Yes I hope so too, at least until we all get our hands on a EV...
22.40 AMAZING Q !
Zoe only rents the battery :(
I cam here to listen about electric cars, but oh my gosh... I miss the UK SOOO much and all the peculiar British things that come along with it! :D Also:
Zoltan Kakuk
It's not what it used to be.
I-Pace --> Model Y
It is not fair to compare it to model X.
tesla doesnt sell you spare parts... whats up with that?
Cars driving around empty is the worst aspect of a self-driving future. It's bad enough when most 4-seaters on the road only have 1 person inside.
You can imagine the really filthy rich having several hovering around at their beck and call.
Who farted? ^_^;
Really loved the content in this video. A lot of detail in how things are progressing in Europe.
what..... if u willl have car that goes only 150 miles ...that means u gona rent the car when u go long distance? renting or keeping the second car is just not the option for single car families... 400miles EVs are basics
Great video!
Fully Charge... Fantastic!!!!.... sonic glasses ... :P
Props for saying maths.
I do enjoy owning and driving my car. Waiting for an autonomous car to pick me up seems to be too much like riding the subway or a bus in New York City. That was the only time in my life I did not owned a car for a few years.
Compare I-Pace to P3D+. Tesla has better handling, better speed, better range, lower cost. I don't buy it. This car is still just 2nd best, even if its not a bad car compared to other cars, the P3D is simply the best car on the market today, and maybe the best car ever made period. It is so many pros, and so few cons. I suppose the I-Pace might be a bit more comfortable on dirt, gravel, and off road, but lets be honest, who the hell buys a jag for that? Realistically it will be a daily driver city car and grocery getter. I am still confused why so many people want a worse drive on daily boring streets in an SUV than in a car, which is far more fun on the streets to drive than an SUV. This thing isn't big enough for the extra size or storage to be a good excuse.
Your Tesla Rob, is a big car; don't you remember Detroit's 'bigger cars, bigger profits' ? Anyway I love my Australian big car, Holden Statesman; about the size of a Tesla which I have driven and thought that they were quite similar!
Big boot(trunk) big cabin, big-ish engine (3.8 l V6) and plenty of room for a road trip to Qld.!!
My first car was terrible. A v8 mercury cougar. low output V8 at that. A full tank of gas, about 65-70 litres, only took you 400km. You could manage 430km if you ran it dry and at low highway speeds. If I could get into all sort of teenage shenanigans with that old junker then an electric with 400km highway range is just fine. That's about 250 miles for the Americans.
the plan is still to by a model 3 or a Hyundai Kona, both will have ranges close or above that 400km mark. A long trip would mean 700 km a day if you start with a full charge and charge once to 80% during the day. That is more than enough.
Range Anxiety with 200 miles , more than enough. Humans are strange.
LOL, liter of milk. 25 miles per day is enough for me. I get a discount on rental cars anyway.
a program on e-trucks would be nice now you know is knowledgeable?
Robert mentioned a solid state battery co. Do you know the name or can you find out?
Mark Plott , I am aware of Tesla’s lead in Li Ion battery. My interest is still piqued by Robert’s mention of SS battery. Let me know if you are aware of the co behind the tech.
@@markplott4820 yes agreed prolly sum mod jelly roll batteries or perhaps- Semi solids? Is that even a thing
Chargemaster director will call you entitled tesla owner, because you want to use the debit/credit card. He recently made it clear on twitter that only tesla drivers want this.
Jaguar I-pace EPA rating is 230 miles-poor battery!
Think less 'poor battery,' think more "Performance Car!" If an ICE Jag does only 20 mpg, because it is being driven like a race car, the owners do not mind, as that is the reason that they bought it ! Same will apply to a BEV Jag. If range is an issue for them, they will get a Tesla. As well ! (Oh how the 'other half' lives :-).
Dyson will clean up the EV car market...Sorry 😂
Stand in the corner of the internet and think up some better jokes!
(BTW, I'm a big "Dyson fan"! damn! I'll see you there.)
👍😁
Whatever they come up with it will most likely suck. Or blow. Or be so inordinately expensive and achingly beautiful that everyone will want one.
That's like saying the Boring Company is "Cutting Edge Technology".
Well, Dyson will probably suck... Sorry, couldn´t help it.
It would be great if eventually low speed chargers are everywhere then in large car parks they have a few stalls that cost extra and have high speed chargers.
28:40 Taxis might drive 10 hours straight.
Read about the Nissan leaf and ioniq taxi drivers in London, they have no trouble doing it and saving mega money at the same time