Kant’s Moral Argument for the Existence of God

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  • Опубліковано 24 вер 2021
  • In order for justice to prevail in the end, there must be a perfect Judge who will set all things right. In this brief clip, R.C. Sproul examines Immanuel Kant’s moral argument for the existence of God and the way other thinkers have responded to this idea.
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  • @mutantthegreat7963
    @mutantthegreat7963 Рік тому +14

    The most succinct and best explained version I have ever heard for the moral argument. This one needs to be memorized, it is that good.

    • @CJ-ik8qf
      @CJ-ik8qf 2 місяці тому

      It’s still not convincing anyone tho.

  • @ReviloJHQ
    @ReviloJHQ 3 місяці тому +2

    Love Kant and this argument is strong. But... where is it necessary true that there is an ultimate justice at all...

  • @peterbassey9668
    @peterbassey9668 6 місяців тому +6

    This summarises rather succinctly the ultimate horror story for atheists.

    • @CJ-ik8qf
      @CJ-ik8qf 2 місяці тому

      Still doesn’t prove a god exists.

    • @cabudagavin3896
      @cabudagavin3896 2 місяці тому +1

      Athiests would disagree with the assumption that there is ultimate objective reality separate from the elimination of suffering and maximization of life etc.

    • @CJ-ik8qf
      @CJ-ik8qf 2 місяці тому

      @@cabudagavin3896 exactly, if we can subjectively agree on the standard for morality, we can objectively determine if an action promotes suffering vs well being.

  • @arhabersham
    @arhabersham 4 місяці тому

    Amazing

  • @joabnathanperez195
    @joabnathanperez195 2 роки тому +3

    RC the voice given to people that won’t read their Bibles

  • @123sLb123
    @123sLb123 2 роки тому +1

    What if you are judged meanwhile you live?

  • @dougmasters4561
    @dougmasters4561 11 місяців тому +1

    The funniest thing about all this is, trying to discuss this or that person's explanation for the existence of God, and moarlity, and ethics, as if the gospels dont exist or something.

  • @Duane422
    @Duane422 Рік тому +1

    Where does Kant say this?

    • @Subhuman_Filth
      @Subhuman_Filth Рік тому

      Just like some commenters pointed out, this is a charitable reading of kant, but to answer your question:
      Critique of practical reason, specifically the chapter that deals with the postulates of practical reason.

    • @Duane422
      @Duane422 Рік тому

      @@Subhuman_Filth oh ok that’s what I figured ! Thanks.

    • @amks...9423
      @amks...9423 Рік тому +2

      @@Duane422 his famous book translated in English as critiques of pure reason & where you will get many types of argument regarding with God and His existence etc etc

    • @Duane422
      @Duane422 Рік тому

      @@amks...9423 Thank you! I am a philosophy professor who works on Kant a bit. I had never come across this argument in it’s exact form. I’ve of course read the critiques, but Sproul puts it in a very different form.

    • @Raiddd__
      @Raiddd__ 4 місяці тому

      @@Duane422 maybe check his "groundwork for the metaphysics of morals". I've only just started into it, but its in many ways a more succinct recap of his critique of practical judgement. Perhaps its in there. Dont quote me on it tho.

  • @adaptercrash
    @adaptercrash Рік тому

    The moon silly, might as well call the atmosphere the same thing

  • @Emrio3
    @Emrio3 2 роки тому +2

    It's a measure of Judgement get it right Love covers a multitude of sins

    • @stevem3413
      @stevem3413 2 роки тому

      Yes but love is not permission to sin. We all have the right to make our own choices . But we don't get to choose the consequences

  • @absbi0000
    @absbi0000 2 роки тому +7

    Allahu Akbar (God is The Greatest). Love the mention of the grave, and the judgement in the hereafter.

    • @friedrickhugo7562
      @friedrickhugo7562 Рік тому +1

      There is a verse in the qur an in the surah Baqara where God says that those who do good deeds, and believe in Him and the other world wil surely be saved

    • @chrismachin2166
      @chrismachin2166 Рік тому

      How can I be CERTAIN of eternal life in Heaven BEFORE I die?

    • @Raiddd__
      @Raiddd__ 4 місяці тому

      @@chrismachin2166 depends on what you mean by certain.

  • @trumpbellend6717
    @trumpbellend6717 2 роки тому +3

    "Good" is a word used to describe a point on a reference standard or scale conceptualised by man that is based upon our shared values like human wellbeing, empathy and equality. Whilst "God" is also a man made concept, the percieved whims of this "God" do not reflect these shared values and thus are irrelevant in any discussion of morality.

    • @timothyjackson4653
      @timothyjackson4653 2 роки тому +6

      Is the scale of good fabricated by man’s intellect or does it exist as an absolute truth and is then accounted for by man’s intellect?

    • @friedrickhugo7562
      @friedrickhugo7562 Рік тому +2

      Atheists say: Man created God, not vice versa. But then the question arises:
      Why? Why did He create Him, not once, but a thousand times, and not in one
      place, but everywhere on earth?

    • @Raiddd__
      @Raiddd__ 4 місяці тому

      @@timothyjackson4653 the latter

    • @patchi2799
      @patchi2799 15 днів тому

      Man is inherently self-righteous. Morality and ethics is relative when it comes to his choices and community. The sovereignty of God that surpasses man's judgement I doubt is fabricated by man, because by no means does it benefit him ultimately. And yet the standard of not just the "good" God but a perfect one, knowingly unattainable, holds the harmony of society and community better altogether, than the common man's standard. If we go by the mostly Godless generation today, everyone is struggling to fight for their own morality and ethics. People argue their own perceived "justice" and ironically just results in a much more deprived state of society. But when we abide by God's standard, there is none to argue; because His law is sovereign above all else. He is not simply "good". Good can be relative. God is HOLY and absolute. I think there's also often a misinterpretation of what Holiness is. It goes beyond good and evil. Holiness goes by the law of God. It gets more in depth than this and more theological, but I hope I was able to get my message across about why God is not just simply a "good" moral standard fabricated by man.

    • @trumpbellend6717
      @trumpbellend6717 15 днів тому

      @@patchi2799
      // "the sovereignty of God which surpasses man's judgement" //
      🤔 Hmm is your "opinion" with regards the "right" God subjective or objective?? Can we ground morality in "any" God or just the particular one YOU determined is the "right" one out of the many thousands man has invented ??
      If your answer is the latter then in actuality its *YOU* and YOUR SUBJECTIVE OPINION that is determining morality dear. if your answer is the former, then asserting objectivity to any moral claim based upon a "God" becomes a completely vacuous useless concept 👍
      The claim that theistic morality is somehow "objective" is ridiculous. Theists are merely substituting their own subjective moral standards with the morals standards of the god they subjectively determine represents the "correct objective" morality. 🙄🤔

  • @Emrio3
    @Emrio3 2 роки тому

    Let's not talk about richousness and playing God one JUDGE and you are not him I you reap what you sow I don't blame God for anything he my protector

  • @Emrio3
    @Emrio3 2 роки тому +3

    Covid I don't think God is weak

    • @mamuyedunga1260
      @mamuyedunga1260 2 роки тому

      just because god brought covid it dosen't mean that god dose not exist😕

    • @Raiddd__
      @Raiddd__ 4 місяці тому

      @@mamuyedunga1260 who said god brought covid?? lol. Does free will not exist all of a sudden?

  • @dennisg967
    @dennisg967 3 місяці тому

    Well, in that case we should decomission police and all the othe law enforcement agencies. Get rid of the constitution. Transition to anarchy. There is the ultimate justice anyways, so people will be moral just because of that. Let's do that and see where it takes us. I will tell you one thing. Most of us will find out much sooner if there is this ultimate justice.

  • @cabudagavin3896
    @cabudagavin3896 2 місяці тому

    Hilarious.

  • @JohnSpencer90
    @JohnSpencer90 3 місяці тому

    Sounds a lot like a circular argument to justify the Christian's version of a personal God. If a God with that amount of power wanted to help humans rather than wait until they are dead to punish them, he would not have been AWOL for 2000 years.

  • @6ixthhydro652
    @6ixthhydro652 Рік тому +1

    this seems like a charitable reading of Kant's writing. Kant thought that we ought to believe in god so people act morally but we cant know anything beyond human experience.

    • @chrismachin2166
      @chrismachin2166 Рік тому

      Everyone believes in God,”God’s Eternal power and Divine nature are clear to see,so man is without excuse”,but the hostile man is suppressing the truth in unrighteousness.
      The day of judgement will come to everyone,but the “Good News” is there is a mediator between God and Man-Jesus Christ. Repent and put your trust in Him.

    • @6ixthhydro652
      @6ixthhydro652 Рік тому +3

      @@chrismachin2166 that is certainly one interpretation but this really is not what Kant's philosophy is about. The religious sentiment is nice but you are missing out on some rich philosophical content if you don't actually read the original literature.

    • @dougmasters4561
      @dougmasters4561 11 місяців тому

      ​@@6ixthhydro652to be fair, while his is not the most difficult to get through by any stretch, reading through it isnt for everyone.

    • @6ixthhydro652
      @6ixthhydro652 11 місяців тому +1

      @@dougmasters4561 I wouldn't recommend reading all of it, but also wouldn't recommend talking about early modern philosophy as if one were an expert on it just to push religious propaganda