@9:00 "Immediately noticing the new Republic Presence." You meant to say Thyferra Liberation Fleet, right? Edit: @10:35 "and to the surprise of the Empire..." You meant to say surprise to the Admiral of the Lusyanka and his staff, right? Edit 2: You keep talking about Rogue Squadron, but they had the Twi'leks, the Gand, and the fighter compliment from the Freedom as support. That's enough fighters to provide escort for the torpedo raids (and for the freighters), and the Tie Bombers probably did damage themselves, with freighters possibly using their telemetry too.
It's funny as Admiral Drommel's subordinate killed him for similar reasons and turned over the Super Star Destroyer Guardian to the New Republic, so the New Republic got both its Star Dreadnoughts because a sane subordinate executed their insane commander and surrendered the ships rather than kamikaze pointlessly.
They refused to do anything... because... politics. (Also, the author needed Rogue Squadron to do it on their own... plot holes exist... some can't be ignored.) I think the plot holes in the four books were created because the author was rushed into writing the plot and the books to meet the deadline he didn't know existed as he wasn't informed that he won the bid to write the first four novels until Lucasfilm reached out to him and informed him they there were a few days before the deadline.
@@aralornwolf3140 They refused to do anything ...because...politics. And because they knew that Rogue Squadron, who had just finished taking down Coruscant from the inside using a bit of slicing and a handful of Z-95s, would do it for them off the books. I mean, come on - they're _rebels._
Freedom Officer: "They aren't paying us enough for this". Freedom Captain: "Then let's survive so that we demand more" God, I read this almost 20 years ago and I remembered vaguely some of the details. But you summed them up perfectly. Thanks for the trip back in time.
This might be one of Michael Stackpole's best novels. He did a really good job setting up the surprise, for both Imperials and the readers. That is also one of my favorite battles. Awesome job explaining everything.
I remember grabbing The Bacta War and reading it in the library when I was in college. I also remember being so engrossed in the book that I missed a class!
Thanks for this. The X-Wing series are my favorite Star Wars books, and among my favorite books of all time. Thanks for visual representations. It makes me very happy.
I love the use of silhouettes from other videos and franchises for the freighter fleet. I see a UNSC frigate, either a UNSC Halcyon or Marathon class, the Galactica, a klingon bird of prey, the Millennium Falcon, possibly a ship from babylon 5? Cool little easter eggs
Vs matchup Sgt. Johnson(Halo) vs Captain Rex(Star Wars) Johnson gets Br 55, 1 m6 sidearm and marine BDU Rex gets DC 15 rifle his pistols and phase 2 clone armor
Huh, I had no idea the Galactica and the Galaxy Gun were present as part of the ragtag fleet of freighters... they no doubt benefited from Admiral Adama's venerable command experience.
I remember reading in my own research that the reason the New Republic was reluctant to pursue military action against Isard was because Zsinj was an active threat and would pounce on Coruscant if the NR fleet moved out in any significant force. Though I've never actually read the books themselves so it could be another one of those retroactive explanations done to correct plot holes.
I have read the books, and I don't specifically remember that being mentioned but it is possible I forgot. Zsinj was definitely seen as a major threat by the New Republic at that point, and it was specifically mentioned that Zsinj was why the New Republic had to figure out how to take Courscant with minimal damage to its defenses, lest Zsinj try to take the planet in turn from the New Republic.
There were a lot of imperial warlords, including Zsinj. More importantly, at least from the Rogues point of view, there was a lot of political infighting happening within the New Republic high command. The NR was also becoming extremely drained as it dealt with the galaxy-wide bio-virus and the panic that went along with it; and a whole other wasp nest's of political issues that came from factions created from dealing with the bio-virus. The rogues actually have fun with the "freedom" they gain by going rouge (resigning) because they don't have to deal with the politicians for awhile. (Among other things, they all get their x-wings personalized paint jobs and new identification codes--a small fun thing that turns into a much larger funnier thing later.) If you only have time or motivation to read only one series or book of the EU, I recommend picking the X-wing series. (There are technically two arcs, each by different authors, both good. This all happens in the first arch.)
@@AgnesIona I was more commenting on the fact that the Republic's non-intervention reason that's apparently given in the books is really flimsy and I'd found alternative explanations. I used Zsinj since he was the strongest single warlord at the time and had his own SSD. I don't really count Kaine and the PA because they were isolationist.
i love the rogue squadron books. They are epic and one of the best parts of star wars. By the way why is there a freighter with the silhouette of a battlestar? Did i miss something in the books xD
Battlestars are not too dissimilar to Old Republic Dreadnaughts in aesthetic so one could conceivably see conversion after the Clone Wars to shipping use.
Vs matchup Yss-1000 saber( Halo Reach) vs T-65 X-wing(Star Wars). 2 rounds round 1 average pilot in each round 2 noble 6 in the saber vs Wedge Antilles in the X-wing
#askeckseptember if the galaxy’s supply of stygium crystals was exhausted by the Battle of Endor, what powered the cloak on the Anakin Solo? Lore Versus video request: Resurgent vs. Starhawk Tie Striker vs. New Republic V-Wing World Devastator vs. Vong Worldship Tie Silencer vs. X-83 Twintail Tie Silencer vs. Tie Defender (legends version) Keldabe vs. ISD II MC90 vs. Nebula class star destroyer Nebula class vs. Pellaeon class Majestic class vs. Bothan Assault Cruiser FOTR’s Mandator II portrayal vs. Subjugator Praetor vs. Subjugator EAWX: TR’s Mediator portrayal vs. Resurgent
I always pronounced them THy- ferra not Ty-ferra, Lusank-I-ah not Lusank-ee-ah and Yh-sann not Eye-san-ay, have I been wrong all these years? You called the 'Lusankya' the 'Executor' at 12:09 😅 and kept swapping between calling the Valiant an Alderaanian and Corellian ship, it was Alderaanian, a Thranta-class War Cruiser.
Any chance of your take on how Wedge's fleet would have to change for the bigger and better armed 19km SSD since this was written for the 8km version with half the guns?
I mean salvos of three hundred torpedoes in waves would still kill a 19km SSD, that's what happened to Aggressor and Javelin in the EU when they faced Torpedo Spheres.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 I mean those didn't die to the Torpedoes, they died to the sphere itself. Twice. Which isn't a lot. But it's weird that it happened twice.
@@DIEGhostfish The aspect is that in both instances the Sphere is credited with immolating the escorting fleets and the only way the SSDs could counter was by ramming which killed both vessels. It's indicative of the hideous amount of firepower that many torpedoes have that they can penetrate planetary shields even combined Star Destroyer and SSD barrages can't.
@@DIEGhostfish well the main issue was that Lusankya had no fighter cover and the initial volleys from the freighters took down segments of the shields for Freedom to strike at. One solid salvo from Lusankya did effectively immolate half of Freedom's weapons and much of the hull, then the second salvo put it completely out of action. Drysso kept switching targets instead of focusing on one threat until it was fully neutralized. He also wanted to capture Freedom for use in his fleet as a Warlord since he planned to betray Isard and take Thyferra for himself.
Okay I'm kinda confused. How did the Rogues have any kind of problems against Isard when they had a GALAXY GUN! 6:00 lol! Not to mention Galactica and a UNSC Frigate! XD
The X-Wing novels in the Legends continuity. Specifically the first 4 books leading up to this battle. Rogue Squadron, Wedge's Gamble, The Krytos Trap, and The Bacta War all detail the campaign to take Coruscant and deal with Isard and the Lusankya. This battle here is the finale of that buildup and takes place in The Bacta War, but you really need to go through the three books prior to it to fully appreciate everything.
A: “Are we the baddies?” B: “no, don’t be ridiculous. Why would you ask that?” A: “well, I’m a _storm trooper_ working on a star _destroyer_ named _The Corrupter”_ B: “yeah I don’t see it.” Edit: A: “you’re right, let’s go back to guarding this ship so we can withhold medical supplies from trillions of people who’re suffering from our bio weapon :) “ *whistles imperial march*
@@TheNobleFive ikr. _An empire_ may have been best for the galaxy _in hindsight_ knowing about all the extra galactic threats, but _the Empire_ was irredeemably evil, founded upon a false war, built on the bones of a religious genocide, and ushered in by a slave army which kept power through fear and was run by space-satan.
There is an in-universe explanation for this in one of the Legends books (can't for the life of me remember which). Basically Palpatine did it deliberately. The outwardly "for the good of the galaxy" spin on Imperial actions through propaganda with the undertone of evil from things like ship names etc provided a dark side twist to the entire imperial armed forces that pleased him.
They are good, clean action novels. I think they are the novel equivalents of very good popcorn movies. Very entertaining and easy to read, but not necessarily pinnacles of literary art.
@@timberwolf1575 In other words, they perfectly encapsulate the spirit of the Star Wars movies themselves. There's no shame in doing something simple exceptionally well, and I think most people looking for "pinnacles" in some high art sense probably aren't going to be looking for that in something called "the X-wing series." Like, "oh, this taco is good, but it's not a $100 aged steak." Why does it have to be? Why even bring that up? Why can't it just be a really good taco?
@@Lambomurcielago670 Forward Unto Dawn? Yes. Bird of Prey? No, you're seeing either a Marauder-class corvette or the Ebon Hawk from KOTOR. But somehow the Rogues got their hands on the Galaxy Gun, even though it wouldn't be built for several years.
Honestly, I think that Star Wars has a real problem with "good guy" factions making *really* bad strategic decisions. "We just won the latest in a millennia-long series of brutal wars against an evil and powerful enemy. We should immediately dismantle the military" "We just won a costly war against a powerful and evil enemy, which lurked under our noses for the last 1000 years. Let's dismantle our military" Lots of other bad decisions.
A lot of the time, they need to scale back their military so they don't become an echo of the very faction they just defeated, but they often go to far and don't take any measures to prevent another group from militarizing and radicalizing.
Honestly, until Sequel Trilogy, Star Wars didn't have a problem with overly downgrading their navies post war. Maintaining a navy is expensive... and when one doesn't have a foe to combat, then the extra ships are a drain of financial, material, and population resources. Look at what the vast majority of nations did with their navies post WWI and WWII. After WWI, there was a treaty signed by the participants which reduced the size of their fleets and mandated a maximum ship size for capital ships (ignore the false classifications in Star Wars, capital ships are battlecruisers and larger). The outliers of that trend (post WWII) were the belligerents of the Cold War... even then, only the USA has maintained a War Fleet while being relatively at peace on the seas... Aircraft Carrier groups make for expensive anti-piracy task groups. Which is why the complaints about USA military spending is very vocal by the civilian population. In Legends, the Old Republic won a war... and then had a 1,000 years of peace, so it didn't need a navy with large amounts of capital ships... it just needed enough of them in strategic locations (shipyards, supply depots, fleet bases, important systems, etc.) to be able to respond to any threat quickly with just the available capital ships. Most of the navy would be corvettes, frigates, and destroyers which are the ships designed for anti-piracy patrols and they call in cruisers when they identify pirate bases. Only pirates with strong financial backing (being used as mercenaries/privateers) would be able to have ships capable of seriously threatening medium combatants (light and heavy cruisers). The expense of maintaining a capital ship would be beyond them. When the Trade Federation blockaded Naboo, which was an act of war, the Chancellor didn't involve the Republic Navy because he wanted to end the conflict with negotiations (a settlement to end the crisis peacefully) instead of dealing with civil war. In the aftermath of the Trade Federation's failure, their droid command ships were removed from their possession by the Republic (later used by Admiral Tarkin to assault a neutral planet... which escaped into hyperspace) stripping them of their ability to protect many of their installations. At the start of the Clone Wars the Trade Federation convinced thousands of other systems to cede from the Republic, while they were building new droids and droid command ships. This violation of the treaty forced the Republic to declare the CIS to be a threat and mobilized their navy to deal with them... although the Republic was caught by surprise, it still had enough capital ships that the two sides had parity. Once the Republic started to get new ships, new soldiers trained, the war was going to be lost by the CIS, so they attacked Coruscant (which ended the Clone Wars and the Republic). The Galactic Civil War ended, which lasted for more than 15 years, with a peace treaty between the much reduced Empire and the New Republic. The only opponents the New Republic had were minor War Lords which they didn't need a large fleet to crush so they reduced their fleet strength to a much more reasonable level. The only time the New Republic reduced their fleet strength too much was at the time of Ambush at Corellia when a third of their commissioned "in service" ships were in dock hands. They weren't available to squash that rebellion promptly. Added to the complication was a system wide (light month+ wide) interdiction field and systems with habitable planets were being destroyed (which tied up the Republic's resources as the ships they used to get refugees out of those systems were the same ships required to service a fleet they needed to deal with the threat). However, after several months, certainly less than a year, the Republic did have a fleet large enough to destroy/capture the rebel's ships at Centerpoint Station. Looking at the Sequel Trilogy... The Empire was utterly defeated, due to Operation Cinder and ships heading off to form the First Order, in a single year. The remaining Imperial holdouts surrendered and they signed a peace treaty drastically reducing the fleet strength and prohibiting proton torpedoes (instead of "death star tech"). After about 30 years of peace and totally ignoring the First Order's activities, and the materials the First Order needed to build a fleet, let alone a planet sized super weapon, the New Republic Navy was utterly destroyed with Not-Coruscant. Leaving the Resistance, with 1 capital ship, to defeat the First Order by itself. Then, a year later, they find out that the Final Order also built thousands, possibly tens of thousands of ships, each using "death star tech" and are capable of destroying entire planets. They simply sat around in a planetary atmosphere so that JJ Abrams can have a climatic victory by the Rebels 2.0 over Palpatine against all rationally written odds. But, who knows what happens after this... as the entire galaxy was destroyed by fans everywhere.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Eh, you say "war allergic civvies", but I mean, they're pretty justifiable in being anti-war. The whole point of the Rebellion was to destroy the Empire and restore the Republic, and besides, like other people have said, maintaining a standing army/navy that big can't be cheap. If there was no immediate need to have a standing army, and it was unpopular with the people, any decent government would downscale it at least.
The Ruusan Reformation dismantled a central Republic fleet in exchange for lots of large planetary defence forces, which made sense when trying to defend against a overwhelming Sith fleet, but it also made it easier for individual planets and systems to secede, and limited the Republic's offensive capabilities. But it did make some sense in light of what happened during the New Sith Wars. The New Republic's strategy of complete demilitarization and turning a blind eye to everything is basically a trauma effect of the Clone Wars and Galactic Civil War, but it was idiotic strategically. These two are very different.
I appreciate that you gave a lot of the context around just battle instead of just jumping in, especially cause it’s legends and I don’t now that stuff in depth
He had what looked like a miniature Galactica, the Ebon Hawk, a Frigate from Halo, a Marauder class corvette, a Rendilli Drive yards Dreadnought and the Millennium Falcon. Sos if I missed one.
It is awesome to see more of this content from you, I am so happy. BTW, the battle-star Galactica is in one of the fleet box things I find that pretty cool.
I loved the battle at Alderaan in the book. The appearance of the Valiant and the destruction of the Corrupter had me whooping and hollering when I first read it. I also loved the wordplay of the capital ship names with Wedge having the final killing blow to the Corrupter!
This story makes more sense than "The Resistance" in the sequel movies. Or Rogue squadron is doing what the lore of the sequel movies is telling us instead of showing us.
I really love the contrast between Sair Yonka (Freedom) and Joak Drysso (Lusankya). Both Captains refuse to surrender despite their ships taking beatings, but Yonka convinces his Men that they’re fighting for their lives and Freedom (Pun intended), whereas Drysso is obsessed with Personal glory and doesn’t care about his Men. Yonka wins but Drysso gets mutinied.
This strategy was tactically brilliant. You could not have asked for a better outcome. The empire lost 2 ISDs and one Super Star Destroyer, an absolutely massive material and military loss for the empire. One that drastically increased the power of the new republics military in turn. I love these battle breakdowns.
The strategy was based on (what happens too often) imperial incompetence, thus it was actually bad. Your strategy should never rely on your enemy doing only as you want them to. That it worked was down to a heavy dose of plot armour and imperial incompetence. So you have a fleet of small ships, none of which can stand up to an ISD in a direct firefight, and you put them up against something that out guns an ISD 50 to 1, and your entire plan is "I hope they keep switching targets". It could have just targeted the entire fleet at once and finished them off without any effort really. On the occasions it focussed fire on a ship, it would have melted that ship in a single volley, your talking about over (saying only 25% of weapons can target a ship at once) 500 turbolasers, 500 heavy turbo lasers, 60 ion cannons, that volley would kill an ISD (and the 2 more behind it). Also hiding near the engines, the engines are covered by more firepower than an ISD can bring to bear. A SSD is litterally covered in guns and has no real blind spots unlike ISD's, size let's you fix those issues.
@@cgi2002 Well, it was obvious that either A) it didn't matter all that much, because SSDs just aren't that impressive, or B) the Imperials screwed up by the numbers. Either way, the idea that it 'drastically' increased the power of the New Republic's military is silly; they got one _Imperial_ out of the tens of thousands in service and a crippled _Executor_ that probably would take almost as long to repair as a new build would take (although, admittedly, I don't think the Republic had a shipyard capable of building an _Executor_ hull from scratch at that point.) Then again, IIRC, the _Lusankya_ wasn't built in a shipyard but by the power of urban renewal, so...
@@boobah5643 even then the lusankya was still fully repaired and even upgraded, it helped alot in the battle against the yuuzhan vong war, SSD's are that impressive as they need an insane amount of firepower to take down, and high risk strategies, and are even more dangerous when accompanied by a fleet, rogue squadron was lucky that the 2 isds that the lusankya once had were on their side
@@boobah5643 it was built in a shipyard (both fondor and kuat claimed to have built the executor) fondor version was then renamed, buried via sith majic??? And was supposed to be palpatines getaway ship
@@robland3253 Maybe the Super Star Destroyer has been secretly assembled ? The books do point out that the Empire has been remodeling the place left and right. One way to do it is to sneak the parts needed, and build them down there. Like for example by repurposing those massive skyscraper building drones. The big plot hole either way is how could it have been kept as a complete secret considering the possible amount of people involved.
Y'all asked and I delivered. Let's get this video to 100k and I'll do another breakdown this coming week!
I remember reading this years ago as a kid! The Alderaanian cruisers were always so cool to me.
@9:00 "Immediately noticing the new Republic Presence." You meant to say Thyferra Liberation Fleet, right?
Edit: @10:35 "and to the surprise of the Empire..." You meant to say surprise to the Admiral of the Lusyanka and his staff, right?
Edit 2: You keep talking about Rogue Squadron, but they had the Twi'leks, the Gand, and the fighter compliment from the Freedom as support. That's enough fighters to provide escort for the torpedo raids (and for the freighters), and the Tie Bombers probably did damage themselves, with freighters possibly using their telemetry too.
Justin can you please do a Super Star Destroyer vs The Earth? I mean like all of the Earth’s Military combined against a Super Star Destroyer.
Hey eckhart what do you use to create the maps of the battles?
Is that the Battlestar Galactica I see at 5:53
they way the captain died made me laugh the guy was probably like " OH HELL NO! i ain't dieing for your power trip"
It's funny as Admiral Drommel's subordinate killed him for similar reasons and turned over the Super Star Destroyer Guardian to the New Republic, so the New Republic got both its Star Dreadnoughts because a sane subordinate executed their insane commander and surrendered the ships rather than kamikaze pointlessly.
Just imagine that guy shouts "all in favour of mutiny?" and everyone raises their hands.
@@demi-femme4821The Captain: Ooooohhh Noooooooo
Isard: *takes over Thyferra and the bacta supply*
New Republic: *refuses to do anything*
Rogue Squadron: Fine, we'll do it ourselves.
They refused to do anything... because... politics. (Also, the author needed Rogue Squadron to do it on their own... plot holes exist... some can't be ignored.)
I think the plot holes in the four books were created because the author was rushed into writing the plot and the books to meet the deadline he didn't know existed as he wasn't informed that he won the bid to write the first four novels until Lucasfilm reached out to him and informed him they there were a few days before the deadline.
*Fine, we'll do it ourselves, AGAIN
And then New Republic takes all credit.
@@aralornwolf3140 They refused to do anything ...because...politics. And because they knew that Rogue Squadron, who had just finished taking down Coruscant from the inside using a bit of slicing and a handful of Z-95s, would do it for them off the books. I mean, come on - they're _rebels._
Also Rogue Squadron: And then we'll replace the entire ineffective "government". : )
Freedom Officer: "They aren't paying us enough for this".
Freedom Captain: "Then let's survive so that we demand more"
God, I read this almost 20 years ago and I remembered vaguely some of the details. But you summed them up perfectly. Thanks for the trip back in time.
So really, Freedom isn't Free.
This is epic Eck!
One of my favourite bait & heists of the Legends era, with my favourite pilots - so happy you covered this one!
ITS BACK! I love this series so very much and I can’t express how utterly ecstatic I am that this has made a return!
Not just the books, supposedly it's getting the live action treatment too. 🤞
I was expecting it to be cool but this was a whole other level. Amazing battle and even better video!
Great choice of battle. I’d love for Booster to make a return, he was a blast, and the idea of a civilian ISD is too good not to use.
This might be one of Michael Stackpole's best novels. He did a really good job setting up the surprise, for both Imperials and the readers. That is also one of my favorite battles. Awesome job explaining everything.
Love the battle breakdowns especially from Legends! Bravo Eck!
I remember grabbing The Bacta War and reading it in the library when I was in college. I also remember being so engrossed in the book that I missed a class!
Thanks for a battle breakdown Eck! :)
I like to think you look my comment(on the last video) to heart. THANK YOU!!!❤️
Hey I have a question could you do a battle breakdown of the battle of Cato Nimodia
I've got to re-read the Rogue Squadron books now. Thanks!😁
Thanks for this. The X-Wing series are my favorite Star Wars books, and among my favorite books of all time. Thanks for visual representations. It makes me very happy.
YOOOO! AT 6:00 There's the Battlestar Galactica and a UNSC Frigate 😂 😂!
Nice one mate
Awesome job Eck! Great video!
Happy to see that the Galactica participated in the battle of Thyferra! @5:45
Yes a new Battle Breakdown video it's been along time since you made one.
I hope you keep making alot more in the future.
One of the best battles from my favourite series!
Thanks for another great video Ecks.
Ohh this was one of my favourite battles in Legends. Those Rogue Squadron books were so formative for me!
By far my fav type of content
@8:50 I didn't know that the Galatica was a part of this mission. Very top group.
I love the use of silhouettes from other videos and franchises for the freighter fleet. I see a UNSC frigate, either a UNSC Halcyon or Marathon class, the Galactica, a klingon bird of prey, the Millennium Falcon, possibly a ship from babylon 5? Cool little easter eggs
Vs matchup Sgt. Johnson(Halo) vs Captain Rex(Star Wars)
Johnson gets Br 55, 1 m6 sidearm and marine BDU
Rex gets DC 15 rifle his pistols and phase 2 clone armor
The Bacta War was my favorite X-Wing book.
Wow, didn’t know that the Battlestar Galactica and Galaxy Gun were used in this battle!
This is the best video I always knew I always wanted! Your content rocks man keep at it!
My favourite book from legends, read the rogue series like 5 times
Wow, Adama joined the Rogues! I didn't know that! XD
Sneaky little Battlestar Galactica reference at 5:46
Along with the Ebon Hawk and Millennium Falcon
theres also a paris frigate (maybe a charon i dont know)
Damn I love Star Wars
(The sequels aren’t truly Star Wars in my eyes.)
One of my favorite moments about one of my favorite ships from one of my favorite book series. I fucking love the Lusankya and the X-Wing series.
I love battle breakdowns
I see the Ebon hawk in that freighter lineup
Amazing video and very good breakdown, really enjod it! ❤
Excellent video as always! And, love seeing Battlestars taking on ssd's, Badass carriers *wink, wink*
Great battle breakdown!
Yesss more of thisss plzzzz
LETS GO BATTLE BREAKDOWN
Battle breakdown of an X-Wing series novel? Yes please!
Love these vids! Hope to get a Starship VS soon.
Huh, I had no idea the Galactica and the Galaxy Gun were present as part of the ragtag fleet of freighters... they no doubt benefited from Admiral Adama's venerable command experience.
I didn't realize that Rogue Squadron had a battlestar!
The book I'm about to read has this in it XD love the series, I just took a break from rogue squadron to read my newest acquisition, Tarkin
These books were so good
This was one of the greats in the EU. Love me some Rogue Squadron/X-Wing books
BEST BOOK SERIES.
I remember reading in my own research that the reason the New Republic was reluctant to pursue military action against Isard was because Zsinj was an active threat and would pounce on Coruscant if the NR fleet moved out in any significant force. Though I've never actually read the books themselves so it could be another one of those retroactive explanations done to correct plot holes.
I have read the books, and I don't specifically remember that being mentioned but it is possible I forgot. Zsinj was definitely seen as a major threat by the New Republic at that point, and it was specifically mentioned that Zsinj was why the New Republic had to figure out how to take Courscant with minimal damage to its defenses, lest Zsinj try to take the planet in turn from the New Republic.
There were a lot of imperial warlords, including Zsinj. More importantly, at least from the Rogues point of view, there was a lot of political infighting happening within the New Republic high command. The NR was also becoming extremely drained as it dealt with the galaxy-wide bio-virus and the panic that went along with it; and a whole other wasp nest's of political issues that came from factions created from dealing with the bio-virus.
The rogues actually have fun with the "freedom" they gain by going rouge (resigning) because they don't have to deal with the politicians for awhile. (Among other things, they all get their x-wings personalized paint jobs and new identification codes--a small fun thing that turns into a much larger funnier thing later.)
If you only have time or motivation to read only one series or book of the EU, I recommend picking the X-wing series. (There are technically two arcs, each by different authors, both good. This all happens in the first arch.)
@@AgnesIona I was more commenting on the fact that the Republic's non-intervention reason that's apparently given in the books is really flimsy and I'd found alternative explanations. I used Zsinj since he was the strongest single warlord at the time and had his own SSD. I don't really count Kaine and the PA because they were isolationist.
@@scoman91 Yeah. I can see that.
The Rebels really had a mixed fleet at Thyferra.
yeah and somehow it included a Columbia Battlestar and Paris Frigate
Booster got the freedom, not the other one.
I found these would always give scale to super star destroyers
Lusankya during Yuuzhan war: Banzai!!
Anyone else notice the Battlestar, Halo Frigate and others at 7:58
6:00 Can anyone else see the battlestar Galactical in the group directly above the station or is it just me?
With the Battlestar Galactica in your fleet, any Imperials don't stand a chance.
God I love the X-Wing series so much
i love the rogue squadron books. They are epic and one of the best parts of star wars.
By the way why is there a freighter with the silhouette of a battlestar? Did i miss something in the books xD
Battlestars are not too dissimilar to Old Republic Dreadnaughts in aesthetic so one could conceivably see conversion after the Clone Wars to shipping use.
Too bad you couldn't destroy the SSD, I imagine the Nukes on the Jupiter-class Battlestar that was with the frigates would help a lot.
Admiral thrawn vs admiral Cole. Who would win
Is it me or does the silhouette of one of the freighters look suspiciously like a Battlestar?
Vs matchup Yss-1000 saber( Halo Reach) vs T-65 X-wing(Star Wars). 2 rounds round 1 average pilot in each round 2 noble 6 in the saber vs Wedge Antilles in the X-wing
What do you use for your the videos. As like the layouts
Why is the Galactica in the new republic fleet?
#askeckseptember if the galaxy’s supply of stygium crystals was exhausted by the Battle of Endor, what powered the cloak on the Anakin Solo?
Lore Versus video request:
Resurgent vs. Starhawk
Tie Striker vs. New Republic V-Wing
World Devastator vs. Vong Worldship
Tie Silencer vs. X-83 Twintail
Tie Silencer vs. Tie Defender (legends version)
Keldabe vs. ISD II
MC90 vs. Nebula class star destroyer
Nebula class vs. Pellaeon class
Majestic class vs. Bothan Assault Cruiser
FOTR’s Mandator II portrayal vs. Subjugator
Praetor vs. Subjugator
EAWX: TR’s Mediator portrayal vs. Resurgent
Very enjoy, much like
I always pronounced them THy- ferra not Ty-ferra, Lusank-I-ah not Lusank-ee-ah and Yh-sann not Eye-san-ay, have I been wrong all these years?
You called the 'Lusankya' the 'Executor' at 12:09 😅 and kept swapping between calling the Valiant an Alderaanian and Corellian ship, it was Alderaanian, a Thranta-class War Cruiser.
Difference between the old republic kolto and bacta
I've missed this
10:38 am i the only one seeing a jupiter class colonial battlestar?
Do I see a little BattleStar Galactic on the rebel side?
...am I tripping or do I see an eagleview of Galactica at 6:48?
Any chance of your take on how Wedge's fleet would have to change for the bigger and better armed 19km SSD since this was written for the 8km version with half the guns?
I mean salvos of three hundred torpedoes in waves would still kill a 19km SSD, that's what happened to Aggressor and Javelin in the EU when they faced Torpedo Spheres.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 I mean those didn't die to the Torpedoes, they died to the sphere itself. Twice. Which isn't a lot. But it's weird that it happened twice.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 I was more thinking they'd need mroe than two stolen ISDs to facetank and keep Lucy from chasing down the torpedo freighters.
@@DIEGhostfish The aspect is that in both instances the Sphere is credited with immolating the escorting fleets and the only way the SSDs could counter was by ramming which killed both vessels. It's indicative of the hideous amount of firepower that many torpedoes have that they can penetrate planetary shields even combined Star Destroyer and SSD barrages can't.
@@DIEGhostfish well the main issue was that Lusankya had no fighter cover and the initial volleys from the freighters took down segments of the shields for Freedom to strike at. One solid salvo from Lusankya did effectively immolate half of Freedom's weapons and much of the hull, then the second salvo put it completely out of action. Drysso kept switching targets instead of focusing on one threat until it was fully neutralized. He also wanted to capture Freedom for use in his fleet as a Warlord since he planned to betray Isard and take Thyferra for himself.
Man it's so weird hearing other people pronounce words you've only read in books.
The War Cruiser was Alderaanian, you said Corellian.
Day One of asking for a breakdown for the Zero Command
Okay I'm kinda confused. How did the Rogues have any kind of problems against Isard when they had a GALAXY GUN! 6:00 lol! Not to mention Galactica and a UNSC Frigate! XD
A sad day for the empire .
try making some lore-making-videos, like create lore for some of fractolsponges models
What books are these I would like to read them
The X-Wing novels in the Legends continuity. Specifically the first 4 books leading up to this battle. Rogue Squadron, Wedge's Gamble, The Krytos Trap, and The Bacta War all detail the campaign to take Coruscant and deal with Isard and the Lusankya. This battle here is the finale of that buildup and takes place in The Bacta War, but you really need to go through the three books prior to it to fully appreciate everything.
@@VegetaLF7 Thank you
Wow i didnt know the galaxy gun was a freighter
A: “Are we the baddies?”
B: “no, don’t be ridiculous. Why would you ask that?”
A: “well, I’m a _storm trooper_ working on a star _destroyer_ named _The Corrupter”_
B: “yeah I don’t see it.”
Edit:
A: “you’re right, let’s go back to guarding this ship so we can withhold medical supplies from trillions of people who’re suffering from our bio weapon :) “
*whistles imperial march*
C: ''Why are you asking this now? Why didn't you ask this question when you were posted on the Avarice, Devastator or the Death Star?''
tHE emPiRe diD nOTHinG WrONg
@@TheNobleFive ikr.
_An empire_ may have been best for the galaxy _in hindsight_ knowing about all the extra galactic threats, but _the Empire_ was irredeemably evil, founded upon a false war, built on the bones of a religious genocide, and ushered in by a slave army which kept power through fear and was run by space-satan.
There is an in-universe explanation for this in one of the Legends books (can't for the life of me remember which).
Basically Palpatine did it deliberately. The outwardly "for the good of the galaxy" spin on Imperial actions through propaganda with the undertone of evil from things like ship names etc provided a dark side twist to the entire imperial armed forces that pleased him.
To be fair, destroyer is a ship class. A star destroyer is not a destroyer of stars but a destroyer in the stars. Like star cruiser or starfighter.
Yes!!!! Battle Breakdowns are the reason I started watching this channel. Great work Eck!
This series is back yes I’m fees much nostalgia
I agree👍
I agree👍
I also agree
The OG Stackpole Rogue Squadron books were always my favorite Star Wars stories
They are good, clean action novels. I think they are the novel equivalents of very good popcorn movies. Very entertaining and easy to read, but not necessarily pinnacles of literary art.
same bro
@@timberwolf1575 fair point, and since I was ten when I started them, it was a good fit. Same with his Battletech series
I slightly prefer Allston's. Better funny moments, better sad moments.
@@timberwolf1575 In other words, they perfectly encapsulate the spirit of the Star Wars movies themselves. There's no shame in doing something simple exceptionally well, and I think most people looking for "pinnacles" in some high art sense probably aren't going to be looking for that in something called "the X-wing series."
Like, "oh, this taco is good, but it's not a $100 aged steak."
Why does it have to be? Why even bring that up? Why can't it just be a really good taco?
I see the Galactica managed to sneak it’s way into the freighter group…
Came here for this!
Saw that too. Glad someone else saw it. lol
I see she also has backup with the Forward Unto Dawn and a klingon bird of prey?
@@Lambomurcielago670 Forward Unto Dawn? Yes. Bird of Prey? No, you're seeing either a Marauder-class corvette or the Ebon Hawk from KOTOR. But somehow the Rogues got their hands on the Galaxy Gun, even though it wouldn't be built for several years.
@@AesonDaandryk so did Adama
Honestly, I think that Star Wars has a real problem with "good guy" factions making *really* bad strategic decisions.
"We just won the latest in a millennia-long series of brutal wars against an evil and powerful enemy. We should immediately dismantle the military"
"We just won a costly war against a powerful and evil enemy, which lurked under our noses for the last 1000 years. Let's dismantle our military"
Lots of other bad decisions.
A lot of the time, they need to scale back their military so they don't become an echo of the very faction they just defeated, but they often go to far and don't take any measures to prevent another group from militarizing and radicalizing.
Honestly, until Sequel Trilogy, Star Wars didn't have a problem with overly downgrading their navies post war.
Maintaining a navy is expensive... and when one doesn't have a foe to combat, then the extra ships are a drain of financial, material, and population resources.
Look at what the vast majority of nations did with their navies post WWI and WWII.
After WWI, there was a treaty signed by the participants which reduced the size of their fleets and mandated a maximum ship size for capital ships (ignore the false classifications in Star Wars, capital ships are battlecruisers and larger).
The outliers of that trend (post WWII) were the belligerents of the Cold War... even then, only the USA has maintained a War Fleet while being relatively at peace on the seas... Aircraft Carrier groups make for expensive anti-piracy task groups. Which is why the complaints about USA military spending is very vocal by the civilian population.
In Legends, the Old Republic won a war... and then had a 1,000 years of peace, so it didn't need a navy with large amounts of capital ships... it just needed enough of them in strategic locations (shipyards, supply depots, fleet bases, important systems, etc.) to be able to respond to any threat quickly with just the available capital ships.
Most of the navy would be corvettes, frigates, and destroyers which are the ships designed for anti-piracy patrols and they call in cruisers when they identify pirate bases. Only pirates with strong financial backing (being used as mercenaries/privateers) would be able to have ships capable of seriously threatening medium combatants (light and heavy cruisers). The expense of maintaining a capital ship would be beyond them.
When the Trade Federation blockaded Naboo, which was an act of war, the Chancellor didn't involve the Republic Navy because he wanted to end the conflict with negotiations (a settlement to end the crisis peacefully) instead of dealing with civil war.
In the aftermath of the Trade Federation's failure, their droid command ships were removed from their possession by the Republic (later used by Admiral Tarkin to assault a neutral planet... which escaped into hyperspace) stripping them of their ability to protect many of their installations.
At the start of the Clone Wars the Trade Federation convinced thousands of other systems to cede from the Republic, while they were building new droids and droid command ships. This violation of the treaty forced the Republic to declare the CIS to be a threat and mobilized their navy to deal with them... although the Republic was caught by surprise, it still had enough capital ships that the two sides had parity. Once the Republic started to get new ships, new soldiers trained, the war was going to be lost by the CIS, so they attacked Coruscant (which ended the Clone Wars and the Republic).
The Galactic Civil War ended, which lasted for more than 15 years, with a peace treaty between the much reduced Empire and the New Republic. The only opponents the New Republic had were minor War Lords which they didn't need a large fleet to crush so they reduced their fleet strength to a much more reasonable level.
The only time the New Republic reduced their fleet strength too much was at the time of Ambush at Corellia when a third of their commissioned "in service" ships were in dock hands. They weren't available to squash that rebellion promptly. Added to the complication was a system wide (light month+ wide) interdiction field and systems with habitable planets were being destroyed (which tied up the Republic's resources as the ships they used to get refugees out of those systems were the same ships required to service a fleet they needed to deal with the threat).
However, after several months, certainly less than a year, the Republic did have a fleet large enough to destroy/capture the rebel's ships at Centerpoint Station.
Looking at the Sequel Trilogy...
The Empire was utterly defeated, due to Operation Cinder and ships heading off to form the First Order, in a single year. The remaining Imperial holdouts surrendered and they signed a peace treaty drastically reducing the fleet strength and prohibiting proton torpedoes (instead of "death star tech"). After about 30 years of peace and totally ignoring the First Order's activities, and the materials the First Order needed to build a fleet, let alone a planet sized super weapon, the New Republic Navy was utterly destroyed with Not-Coruscant. Leaving the Resistance, with 1 capital ship, to defeat the First Order by itself.
Then, a year later, they find out that the Final Order also built thousands, possibly tens of thousands of ships, each using "death star tech" and are capable of destroying entire planets. They simply sat around in a planetary atmosphere so that JJ Abrams can have a climatic victory by the Rebels 2.0 over Palpatine against all rationally written odds.
But, who knows what happens after this... as the entire galaxy was destroyed by fans everywhere.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Eh, you say "war allergic civvies", but I mean, they're pretty justifiable in being anti-war. The whole point of the Rebellion was to destroy the Empire and restore the Republic, and besides, like other people have said, maintaining a standing army/navy that big can't be cheap. If there was no immediate need to have a standing army, and it was unpopular with the people, any decent government would downscale it at least.
The demilitarization in canon I found even more silly. Like, why would they even do that at all? It’s so stupid.
The Ruusan Reformation dismantled a central Republic fleet in exchange for lots of large planetary defence forces, which made sense when trying to defend against a overwhelming Sith fleet, but it also made it easier for individual planets and systems to secede, and limited the Republic's offensive capabilities. But it did make some sense in light of what happened during the New Sith Wars.
The New Republic's strategy of complete demilitarization and turning a blind eye to everything is basically a trauma effect of the Clone Wars and Galactic Civil War, but it was idiotic strategically.
These two are very different.
I appreciate that you gave a lot of the context around just battle instead of just jumping in, especially cause it’s legends and I don’t now that stuff in depth
Who can name all the ships in the representation box for the freighter fleet? I see a few ships from other series and I love it!
He had what looked like a miniature Galactica, the Ebon Hawk, a Frigate from Halo, a Marauder class corvette, a Rendilli Drive yards Dreadnought and the Millennium Falcon. Sos if I missed one.
@@seawind930 Im sure that i see the galaxy gun
after so many years..my favorite series is back!!
It is awesome to see more of this content from you, I am so happy. BTW, the battle-star Galactica is in one of the fleet box things I find that pretty cool.
Also a Unsc frigate I believe xD
Fleet battle
Rebel fleet at Endor vs. Cole’s fleet at Cole’s last stand
I loved the battle at Alderaan in the book. The appearance of the Valiant and the destruction of the Corrupter had me whooping and hollering when I first read it. I also loved the wordplay of the capital ship names with Wedge having the final killing blow to the Corrupter!
This story makes more sense than "The Resistance" in the sequel movies. Or Rogue squadron is doing what the lore of the sequel movies is telling us instead of showing us.
I really love the contrast between Sair Yonka (Freedom) and Joak Drysso (Lusankya). Both Captains refuse to surrender despite their ships taking beatings, but Yonka convinces his Men that they’re fighting for their lives and Freedom (Pun intended), whereas Drysso is obsessed with Personal glory and doesn’t care about his Men. Yonka wins but Drysso gets mutinied.
This strategy was tactically brilliant. You could not have asked for a better outcome. The empire lost 2 ISDs and one Super Star Destroyer, an absolutely massive material and military loss for the empire. One that drastically increased the power of the new republics military in turn. I love these battle breakdowns.
The strategy was based on (what happens too often) imperial incompetence, thus it was actually bad. Your strategy should never rely on your enemy doing only as you want them to.
That it worked was down to a heavy dose of plot armour and imperial incompetence.
So you have a fleet of small ships, none of which can stand up to an ISD in a direct firefight, and you put them up against something that out guns an ISD 50 to 1, and your entire plan is "I hope they keep switching targets". It could have just targeted the entire fleet at once and finished them off without any effort really. On the occasions it focussed fire on a ship, it would have melted that ship in a single volley, your talking about over (saying only 25% of weapons can target a ship at once) 500 turbolasers, 500 heavy turbo lasers, 60 ion cannons, that volley would kill an ISD (and the 2 more behind it).
Also hiding near the engines, the engines are covered by more firepower than an ISD can bring to bear. A SSD is litterally covered in guns and has no real blind spots unlike ISD's, size let's you fix those issues.
@@cgi2002 Well, it was obvious that either A) it didn't matter all that much, because SSDs just aren't that impressive, or B) the Imperials screwed up by the numbers.
Either way, the idea that it 'drastically' increased the power of the New Republic's military is silly; they got one _Imperial_ out of the tens of thousands in service and a crippled _Executor_ that probably would take almost as long to repair as a new build would take (although, admittedly, I don't think the Republic had a shipyard capable of building an _Executor_ hull from scratch at that point.)
Then again, IIRC, the _Lusankya_ wasn't built in a shipyard but by the power of urban renewal, so...
@@boobah5643 even then the lusankya was still fully repaired and even upgraded, it helped alot in the battle against the yuuzhan vong war, SSD's are that impressive as they need an insane amount of firepower to take down, and high risk strategies, and are even more dangerous when accompanied by a fleet, rogue squadron was lucky that the 2 isds that the lusankya once had were on their side
@@boobah5643 it was built in a shipyard (both fondor and kuat claimed to have built the executor) fondor version was then renamed, buried via sith majic??? And was supposed to be palpatines getaway ship
@@robland3253 Maybe the Super Star Destroyer has been secretly assembled ? The books do point out that the Empire has been remodeling the place left and right. One way to do it is to sneak the parts needed, and build them down there. Like for example by repurposing those massive skyscraper building drones.
The big plot hole either way is how could it have been kept as a complete secret considering the possible amount of people involved.
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Hah I see what you did there, Galactica and a Vor'cha. Surely some of the others are also out-of-universe ships. :D
The X-WING books are some of the finest works of the EU. Great video man keep it up