Eric is from Euclid, Ohio. He let me sit in with his group a couple of times when he played with his father in the Johnny Singer Orchestra. He is a real down to earth dude. He has come so far since then
everyone defneds peter with soul and shit...i mean i used to think that...but singer has so much soul and style and showmanship...peter was great for being the orignial and beshides creativity is always most important and singer doest stuff that criss or carr couldnt do together...and desptie what you think singer has more jazz influence then criss.
Whenever a person pass away,for example a good musician like Eric Carr ,he automatically become a god.OK he was a good drummer but Eric Singer was levels above him
I remember reading an interview with this guy in Modern Drummer mag in 1990 (I think), when he was with Badlands. If I remember right, he said he'd only been playing drums from the age of 26. my point is this, he wasn't much older in his interview, after he was already famous - and that's a pretty rapid climb to fame.
I know Eric is not the best drummer in the world, but i really like his punch... although i'm a big fan of Neil Peart, Colaiuta and Dave Weckl, my favorite drummer will always be Eric, just because he was the reason i started to play drums
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Eric is really really good, he can play everything. have you ever heared god of tunder country?
You gotta remember though.. Criss came from a Jazz background.. and Singer is just a all around Rock drummer.. TWO great drummers.. TWO totaly different styles of playing..
Have you even seen KISS live with Tommy and Eric? I have and they are amazing. I've also seen Ace and Peter. Not in the 70's but on the reunion and Farewell tour. The point is I have seen both so I can say who I think is better. With Ace and Peter you get the first 6 albums. That is weak. They cut out 20 years of great tunes with Ace and Peter. Peter playing I love it loud is pollution to my ears. The best KISS shows I ever saw were Hot in the Shade, Revenge, Rock the Nation, and Alive 35.
No what makes me an expert is that i grew up from day one in the music biz around the biggest names in music EVER & became an electrical engineer & work for the biggest for over 20 yrs now. Also I am a musician myself. Petes my fav why are u discussing like i talked bad about him?
i'm a fan who likes what I like. We are from 2 different eras. I like Bonham's style. He played with ferocity. That is what I look for in drumming. He was a better drummer than Rich. That's for sure. I can only imagine how people felt when Zep came on the scene in 1969. Nobody had heard anything like that.
check the stats about the tour. the numbers don't lie.I did go to the reunion but after seeing eric carr and eric singer tear it up,it was a step backward. Have you seen KISS with tommy and eric? I've seen both so I can say who I think plays better. Don't be bitter that KISS is doing just fine without the 2 ingrates.
Im not sick. I just told you earlier that you are reading what Im saying to someone else. Its getting mixed up on here between kissdrumr and nykissfaneternal
Peter was the original; jazz background, singer, pianist, with KISS through the mid-1980s, alot of hard drumming/touring that he paid for later......I think both Erics are fantastic, just different; With Buddy Rich gone, Neil Peart is about the best.
@beasst94 And style :o (Like yeah, Peter Criss' techniqe is not actualy great, but who cares? I dont care if he can play 250bps paradiddles and stuff... it's the style, groove, and soul it comes to. That's why I love Peter Criss. He plays just amazing!)
sterlingre they are two completly different style drummers both are lightning fast one a rocker one a jazz/funk drummer,the big difference is eric plays dual base drum kits,as for ur boy tony he's good but a step down from these 2.
Singer was Kiss' best drummer technically in Kiss but Peter was great too, just different time & styles. For the 70s Peter was the shit. Plus his background was more jazz opposed to Eric being rock . Peters no slouch he tore it up on reunion tour in his late 50s lets see if Erics still doin this when he reaches that age.
If Peter didn't like the terms of his contract he could have said fuck you and walked away but face it he was at rock bottom going nowhere. He was broke. His skills were declining so why would Paul and Gene give him more money? He bitched every night on the tour. He was back to his primadonna ways. Paul and Gene worked very hard to keep KISS going after Ace and Peter. It was the right thing to do. The point is Ace and Peter should have been more than satisfied with whatever they were paid.
The phrase "Best Drummer " is very stupid to me. every style will obviously have its best drummers but you cant compare jazz with metal or any style for that matter. Every style is Unique. I also think most of the worlds best musicians are undiscovered and unknown
stop trying to compare egos children every body has diffrent ways of playing and on the peter criis and eric carr rock eric singer rocks to and hes a home town drummer from here in ohio
wow 4 times in the last 13 years. that does make you an expert at what you saw. Ive seen Pete 17 times since '79. Slowing songs down? That is BS. You listen to Let Me Go RNR and compare it to Scab KISS its the same tempo. Fills, chops and different rhythm have nothing to do with tempo. Ive met Peter 3 times and he was super super nice to me. Lets also not forget that Gene and Paul arent Geddy Lee or Steve Howe. Its real easy to hide behind those facts.
Ask other drummers if they think double bass shows progression. You can't be serious when you say Buddy Rich is better than Jon Bonham. You're a drummer and you're not in awe of Bonham? You take Rich and Gene Krupa and Watts and Liberty Devito, the guys playing the same groove for 30 years. I'll take Eric Carr, Eric Singer, John Bonham, Mike Portnoy, Tommy Lee, Neil Peart, Lars Ulrich, and Alex Van Halen. When you can play double bass you can laugh.
When it come down to a 40% profit margin or 28% and it had to do with what the fans want, what do you think is going to happen. You just said on here that there aint nothing wrong with being successful and making more money, but with PC or Frehley its a different standard. He did his contract from 06 to 01 and wanted more money new contract. Sounds like the American way. Hes a founding member, and responsible for the 70's just as GandP. Tell that to a NFL player in his last yrs see what happens.
It has nothing to do with blowing someone out of the water. Two totally different drummers. It kills me on how KISS is regarded as metal and that now with metal drummers Peter is disrespected. KISS was never a metal band in the 70's. Christine 16, not metal for example. Why doesnt people give Bun E Carlos shit? Cheap Trick, not metal. The Stones, not metal. Anybody giving Watts shit? Ive been playing 31 years now. Theres a time to grow up and respect all drummers.
Paul and Gene financed the reunion tour on their own money. Of course they are going to get a bigger cut. KISS is Paul and Gene's baby.Any band going 30+ years is going to have different members. Nothing wrong with that at all. Better drummer = plays harder faster and double bass. 3 things Peter doesn't do and they did slow the songs down to accomodate Peter. If you are this master drummer you claim to be you should be able to hear the difference. Peter's best days are behind him.
If it was the other way GorP would be primadonna too. You seem to forget that GandP aint no better at their craft than Ace and Pete. Gene worked hard in the 80's are you kidding me. It was the birth period for what he does today. Paul did because he loved it because now he was at the spotlight without makeup. And dont get your first statement, that is what Pete did in 04. If anybody has been halfass the last 20 years it has been Gene. KISS is nothing but a plateau he needs for his other stuff.
Why would you defend a guy who clearly didn't give a shit about the fans? I'm not brainwashed. I just go by what I see and hear. I've seen KISS after your precious original lineup was dismantled. Eric Carr and Eric Singer play better than Peter at the end of the day.
let me define just fine. KISS was making new music, touring the world, and still going on. Animalize , Asylum, and Crazy Nights all went platinum. Did you check the stats on the European leg of Alive 35? You are so anti Paul and Gene so you can't believe anything that contradicts your statements. Ask Peter why in public he will bitch about Eric wearing the makeup but he always leaves out the part about selling it back to Paul and Gene because he was broke. Pretty convenient.
First off 30 years 5 songs bold statement without finding out the facts. Singer 9 years off and on with KISS no songs written and one song finally sung on new album. PC, not been in KISS 30 years, but if you want to say 30 years count 5 solo albums plus KISS. You are the one on here bashing PC. Me giving fans shit. How bout you giving KISS fans shit who like PC. If u dont like PC, which u dont. How bout u shuttin it. Your comments were on here first.
I love how you go off from the statements you have put on here from the beginning. Never said I didnt like double bass. YOU have stated that it is better drumming and better drummer. Wrong. A long time ago I would say bring any drummer on. Im just as good and I'll put Tommy Lee to shame. Im beyond that. I respect all drummers. I dissed Lee cause you dissed PC. Every night in ICE, you see it once and its all night. LOL. U Kill Me.
Comparing two very different drummers is a complete waste of time. Someone mentioned Tony Royster... What, is every drummer supposed to sound like him? Is it beyond the realm of possibility for Eric to further devop his chops? Both drummers have something to offer. Not everyone is impressed by blazing chops, and basing a musicians worth on that, is totally missing the point.
KISS just went to visit some wounded soldiers. They don't give a shit about their fans? Do you know how much charity they do that goes under the radar? I don't have to be a drummer to tell when somebody doesn't have it anymore. Peter can't play good anymore. It was time to move on.
Until KISS? Black Sabbath and even early Zeppelin and Deep Purple created what was metal in the 70's. It was called hard rock. KISS had glam and power in image especially in the beginning. But there music wasnt. Beatles, Stones, Kinks, more comparable to KISS than Zep & Sabbath. Room Service, Nothing To Lose, Cmon and Love Me, Calling Dr Love, R N R All Nite, etc. Also KISS was 3 min tunes 97% of the time. Now compare all of that to what they did in the 80's. Different music, different drummer.
I didn't change anything. His skills were tolerable in the 70's. Paul and Gene own KISS. Of course they can't be fired. You call it scabbing. I call it KISS. Peter was never happy. He wanted to leave in the 70's. The solo albums was a way to make him happy. He always saw himself as the next Sinatra. Sinatra isn't KISS. Paul and Gene are entitled to everything they have. They gave a shit about the fans. Peter didn't. You never answered my ? Why defend a guy who didn't care about the fans?
Your statements display just how little u know about drumming! Royster and Singer is like pizza and icecream! both tasty but totally different! you can prefer pizza but that doesn't mean icecream tastes like cowdung! it's just the fact that u prefer listening to the GENRE that royster is playing! nothing more to it! I too prefer Royster, he's one of my top 5 drummers but to compare(which is meaningless)the two is totally mindless...but hey! I guess thats just the way you are...
You forget KISS did just fine without Ace and Peter. They got better musicians, made new music, and toured the world making fans happy. "Cause it aint KISS." says who? you? Whatever. KISS rocks with Tommy and Eric. You don't like it fine but don't give the fans who do shit. Peter had a lot of balls to ask for more money. You get a second chance and start the same bullshit. Writing 5 songs in 30 years is not the work of a major player. Peter stopped caring. Remember that
Lets put it straight to you, someone that listens to drums, ask Neil Peart himself who is better, Buddy Rich or himself. Dude triplets and quads are great but if you take one drum and one drum only, Rich would destroy Peart and Bonham. Tommy Lee, thats a good one. One who does nothing but quads during a drum solo. Same groove, thats funny too. You are the one that needs to ask other drummers, this one cant get it through your thick skull with drumming and with dissing PC.
And secondly PC has never been broke. Down from multi million status? True. Broke. LOL. Another statement from Gene's mouth all through the 80's. Read other sources than just G and P. Talk to CK Lendt who Ive met that handled their finances from 76 to 88. Totally different stories than G an P. Talk to Aucoin, and some of their friends. Different stories. I dont hate G and P Remember Ive been a fan much longer. Im just know how to read between the lines with them. Especially Gene.
Why do you call it scabbing? You know Peter sold his rights to the makeup back to Paul and Gene because he was broke. I'm sick of hearing Peter bitch about Eric in the makeup. What are Paul and Gene doing wrong? They're keeping the band going, still touring making many fans happy. Alive 35 is the biggest tour of all time. Translation? More people are coming out for Tommy and Eric than Ace and Peter. The fans are getting their money's worth.
Are you serious? You don't think Peter stopped caring in 78 79? No I don't play the drums but I know what I like. And Peter's drumming sounded like shit in the 90's. You being a drummer doesn't make the supreme authority on it. My fav drummers Eric Carr, John Bonham, Neil Peart, and Eric Singer. To me double bass drumming shows progression. it gives songs a kick in the Ass. This argument is pointless. Its 2009. Peter is done as a drummer. You must accept it. Singer is better.
BS. Dreams? After 22 years, which is what it was up to the reunion, its about ego and greed. I dont have a problem with movin on or it wont work. But saying PC aint a great drummer is BS. KISS wanna go back to the Revenge era, or call it Simmons/Stanley like Plant and Page did, even better. Cause it aint KISS. Its Scab KISS and its BS. Ive been playing since 79. Im 42. And I actually started playin clubs when I was 15.
It is 2009. Do you really believe that Peter can play 100%? You know he can't. On KISS/Aerosmith, he was sitting in his hotel room every night with his arms in ice. It was time to call it a day. Rich would destroy Peart and Bonham? LMFAO!!!!!!!!! It is not dissing Peter if it is true. He can't play anymore. Sorry you don't agree but Tommy Lee is an great drummer. Don't be mad that you never progressed like they did. I like double bass. I think it sounds great. You don't.
Talked bad about him???? Jesus read your own shit. "No respect for fans, got worse each time". You saw him 4 times. Ive seen him and met him more. He hasnt got worse, hes gotten older. Hes also a different drummer. And slowing songs down is BS. Unless you compare it to Eric Carr back in the 80's there you are right they were playing DRC 100 miles an hour. But that doesnt make him a better drummer.
Ive said it all along. Gene and Paul have done more damage to KISS in the last 7 years than Ace and Peter ever did. Greed, money and ego can do just as much if not more damage than drugs and alcohol. If the drugs and alcohol were that bad, why were they the biggest band during that time? I lived it since '75. Youve been brainwashed by Gene and Paul's over dramatic and exagerated statements over the years.
I dont know how change is not involved, lets see tolerable, never good. Read your shit. Pete had no more Sinatra than Paul did. I answered your question 10,000 times. I dont agree with your not caring for fans, do you read? You havent answered if you play drums? But I know you have your own ear for them. Thank God a lot dont or wed have nothing but triplets, quads, and double bass in all music.
I was there! Bruce Kulick did his 'clinic' too on the same night and they both jammed on some songs at the end with a bass player.
Eric is from Euclid, Ohio. He let me sit in with his group a couple of times when he played with his father in the Johnny Singer Orchestra. He is a real down to earth dude. He has come so far since then
Best drum sound i've ever heard
INSANE TALENT
Eric Singer is a very handsome and talented drummer. I always shiver while watching his drum solos plus I love his modern style his gave to KISS.❤️
I just saw KISS twice last month and Eric tore it up and he is 51 right now. He blows Peter out of the water every time.
So damn good!
No other KISS drummer could touch Eric Singer with a 20 foot pole. No disrespect...just the truth.
Rondinelli almost got the gig after Criss.
everyone defneds peter with soul and shit...i mean i used to think that...but singer has so much soul and style and showmanship...peter was great for being the orignial and beshides creativity is always most important and singer doest stuff that criss or carr couldnt do together...and desptie what you think singer has more jazz influence then criss.
Eric Singer, a great great drummer!!!
my favorite drummers: mick brown, robert sweet, fred coury, dave lombardo, and eric singer
Whenever a person pass away,for example a good musician like Eric Carr ,he automatically become a god.OK he was a good drummer but Eric Singer was levels above him
3:45-4:13 is the tastiest drum beat.
AWESOME
I remember reading an interview with this guy in Modern Drummer mag in 1990 (I think), when he was with Badlands. If I remember right, he said he'd only been playing drums from the age of 26. my point is this, he wasn't much older in his interview, after he was already famous - and that's a pretty rapid climb to fame.
very solid, for sure
Drumming starts at 0:57.
eric singer rules !
ERIC SINGER IS 1000000 TIMES MUCH BETTER DRUMMER THAN PETER CRISS! WE LOVE YOU ERIC SINGER!!!
eric the best
He was so hot back then.
Eric Singer and Eric Carr Were so AWESOME and Close in Drum Legendary Monsters
How do u mean close in drum legendary monsters?
2:24!!
Give to Eric a basic drum, he will play this at best. Add the double base drum and you have one of the top drummer in a world !
This guy is so much better than Criss ever was.
AWESOME!! Check out another great drum solo by Alex Gonzales from the Mexican rock band MANA
We did he has many solos
I know Eric is not the best drummer in the world, but i really like his punch... although i'm a big fan of Neil Peart, Colaiuta and Dave Weckl, my favorite drummer will always be Eric, just because he was the reason i started to play drums
Eric is really really good, he can play everything. have you ever heared god of tunder country?
Wow I wish I was around back then to see that tour! Im only 15....Eric Carr is the whole reason i started playing
It's not only in the wrists, but finger control also. Watch a Buddy Rich vid and you will see that his wristrs sometimes hardly move.
this kitt sounds very good
You gotta remember though..
Criss came from a Jazz background..
and Singer is just a all around Rock drummer..
TWO great drummers.. TWO totaly different styles of playing..
yeah good call
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I just saw him 2 weeks ago & agree, but he's not 60 like peter was. he's got 8 or 9 yrs to go. He's already slowing down from several yrs ago
@MrPowerring YES i agree.
@blooddrummer You´re right.
@EILIVdrummer soul, yes
@KAL10100 Yes.
It seems that these replies are going to the wrong source. "expert" was geared toward nykissfaneternal.
Have you even seen KISS live with Tommy and Eric? I have and they are amazing. I've also seen Ace and Peter. Not in the 70's but on the reunion and Farewell tour. The point is I have seen both so I can say who I think is better. With Ace and Peter you get the first 6 albums. That is weak. They cut out 20 years of great tunes with Ace and Peter. Peter playing I love it loud is pollution to my ears. The best KISS shows I ever saw were Hot in the Shade, Revenge, Rock the Nation, and Alive 35.
lol
yea im wit u
No what makes me an expert is that i grew up from day one in the music biz around the biggest names in music EVER & became an electrical engineer & work for the biggest for over 20 yrs now. Also I am a musician myself. Petes my fav why are u discussing like i talked bad about him?
ok man i think i get it
Haha, eric beast! But in between he does a bit dennis chambers am i wrong?
i wonder if that is his signiature snare?
i'm a fan who likes what I like. We are from 2 different eras. I like Bonham's style. He played with ferocity. That is what I look for in drumming. He was a better drummer than Rich. That's for sure. I can only imagine how people felt when Zep came on the scene in 1969. Nobody had heard anything like that.
check the stats about the tour. the numbers don't lie.I did go to the reunion but after seeing eric carr and eric singer tear it up,it was a step backward. Have you seen KISS with tommy and eric? I've seen both so I can say who I think plays better. Don't be bitter that KISS is doing just fine without the 2 ingrates.
i love eric as kiss drummer but i think eric carr was the best for the band sometimes singer can be all over the place
You know, what's funny? He's so much better than a wanna-be like Portnoy and does it on a 7 peice kit to prove it.
Eric Carr was awesome but not even close to this LOL
Im not sick. I just told you earlier that you are reading what Im saying to someone else. Its getting mixed up on here between kissdrumr and nykissfaneternal
yes, but Criss was the first.
Peter was the original; jazz background, singer, pianist, with KISS through the mid-1980s, alot of hard drumming/touring that he paid for later......I think both Erics are fantastic, just different; With Buddy Rich gone, Neil Peart is about the best.
@beasst94 And style :o
(Like yeah, Peter Criss' techniqe is not actualy great, but who cares? I dont care if he can play 250bps paradiddles and stuff... it's the style, groove, and soul it comes to. That's why I love Peter Criss. He plays just amazing!)
I don't think you read my post correctly
sterlingre they are two completly different style drummers both are lightning fast one a rocker one a jazz/funk drummer,the big difference is eric plays dual base drum kits,as for ur boy tony he's good but a step down from these 2.
best drummer of all time
neil peart who?
Singer was Kiss' best drummer technically in Kiss but Peter was great too, just different time & styles. For the 70s Peter was the shit. Plus his background was more jazz opposed to Eric being rock . Peters no slouch he tore it up on reunion tour in his late 50s lets see if Erics still doin this when he reaches that age.
If Peter didn't like the terms of his contract he could have said fuck you and walked away but face it he was at rock bottom going nowhere. He was broke. His skills were declining so why would Paul and Gene give him more money? He bitched every night on the tour. He was back to his primadonna ways. Paul and Gene worked very hard to keep KISS going after Ace and Peter. It was the right thing to do. The point is Ace and Peter should have been more than satisfied with whatever they were paid.
The phrase "Best Drummer " is very stupid to me. every style will obviously have its best drummers but you cant compare jazz with metal or any style for that matter. Every style is Unique. I also think most of the worlds best musicians are undiscovered and unknown
stop trying to compare egos children every body has diffrent ways of playing and on the peter criis and eric carr rock eric singer rocks to and hes a home town drummer from here in ohio
what does Eric Carr have to do with this? thats Eric SINGER!
wow 4 times in the last 13 years. that does make you an expert at what you saw. Ive seen Pete 17 times since '79. Slowing songs down? That is BS. You listen to Let Me Go RNR and compare it to Scab KISS its the same tempo. Fills, chops and different rhythm have nothing to do with tempo. Ive met Peter 3 times and he was super super nice to me. Lets also not forget that Gene and Paul arent Geddy Lee or Steve Howe. Its real easy to hide behind those facts.
KISS is a rockband. Never was, never will be metal...
He looks like DAve Mustain
Kiss was metal for the 70s. There was no such thing until kiss.
Ask other drummers if they think double bass shows progression. You can't be serious when you say Buddy Rich is better than Jon Bonham. You're a drummer and you're not in awe of Bonham? You take Rich and Gene Krupa and Watts and Liberty Devito, the guys playing the same groove for 30 years. I'll take Eric Carr, Eric Singer, John Bonham, Mike Portnoy, Tommy Lee, Neil Peart, Lars Ulrich, and Alex Van Halen. When you can play double bass you can laugh.
When it come down to a 40% profit margin or 28% and it had to do with what the fans want, what do you think is going to happen. You just said on here that there aint nothing wrong with being successful and making more money, but with PC or Frehley its a different standard. He did his contract from 06 to 01 and wanted more money new contract. Sounds like the American way. Hes a founding member, and responsible for the 70's just as GandP. Tell that to a NFL player in his last yrs see what happens.
It has nothing to do with blowing someone out of the water. Two totally different drummers. It kills me on how KISS is regarded as metal and that now with metal drummers Peter is disrespected. KISS was never a metal band in the 70's. Christine 16, not metal for example. Why doesnt people give Bun E Carlos shit? Cheap Trick, not metal. The Stones, not metal. Anybody giving Watts shit? Ive been playing 31 years now. Theres a time to grow up and respect all drummers.
Paul and Gene financed the reunion tour on their own money. Of course they are going to get a bigger cut. KISS is Paul and Gene's baby.Any band going 30+ years is going to have different members. Nothing wrong with that at all. Better drummer = plays harder faster and double bass. 3 things Peter doesn't do and they did slow the songs down to accomodate Peter. If you are this master drummer you claim to be you should be able to hear the difference. Peter's best days are behind him.
If it was the other way GorP would be primadonna too. You seem to forget that GandP aint no better at their craft than Ace and Pete. Gene worked hard in the 80's are you kidding me. It was the birth period for what he does today. Paul did because he loved it because now he was at the spotlight without makeup. And dont get your first statement, that is what Pete did in 04. If anybody has been halfass the last 20 years it has been Gene. KISS is nothing but a plateau he needs for his other stuff.
This isn't a cliinic. Just a guy hitting the drums.
Why would you defend a guy who clearly didn't give a shit about the fans? I'm not brainwashed. I just go by what I see and hear. I've seen KISS after your precious original lineup was dismantled. Eric Carr and Eric Singer play better than Peter at the end of the day.
let me define just fine. KISS was making new music, touring the world, and still going on. Animalize , Asylum, and Crazy Nights all went platinum. Did you check the stats on the European leg of Alive 35? You are so anti Paul and Gene so you can't believe anything that contradicts your statements. Ask Peter why in public he will bitch about Eric wearing the makeup but he always leaves out the part about selling it back to Paul and Gene because he was broke. Pretty convenient.
bullshit dude you cant compair two drummers from two very diffirent styles. both are great drummers
Eric is an awesome drummer but using the wrong brand of drums TAMA is number 1
First off 30 years 5 songs bold statement without finding out the facts. Singer 9 years off and on with KISS no songs written and one song finally sung on new album. PC, not been in KISS 30 years, but if you want to say 30 years count 5 solo albums plus KISS. You are the one on here bashing PC. Me giving fans shit. How bout you giving KISS fans shit who like PC. If u dont like PC, which u dont. How bout u shuttin it. Your comments were on here first.
I love how you go off from the statements you have put on here from the beginning. Never said I didnt like double bass. YOU have stated that it is better drumming and better drummer. Wrong. A long time ago I would say bring any drummer on. Im just as good and I'll put Tommy Lee to shame. Im beyond that. I respect all drummers. I dissed Lee cause you dissed PC. Every night in ICE, you see it once and its all night. LOL. U Kill Me.
Comparing two very different drummers is a complete waste of time. Someone mentioned Tony Royster... What, is every drummer supposed to sound like him? Is it beyond the realm of possibility for Eric to further devop his chops? Both drummers have something to offer. Not everyone is impressed by blazing chops, and basing a musicians worth on that, is totally missing the point.
too bleepin bad!
KISS just went to visit some wounded soldiers. They don't give a shit about their fans? Do you know how much charity they do that goes under the radar? I don't have to be a drummer to tell when somebody doesn't have it anymore. Peter can't play good anymore. It was time to move on.
@ajaxrules1975
Technical, yes.
When it comes to style and soul, no.
Until KISS? Black Sabbath and even early Zeppelin and Deep Purple created what was metal in the 70's. It was called hard rock. KISS had glam and power in image especially in the beginning. But there music wasnt. Beatles, Stones, Kinks, more comparable to KISS than Zep & Sabbath. Room Service, Nothing To Lose, Cmon and Love Me, Calling Dr Love, R N R All Nite, etc. Also KISS was 3 min tunes 97% of the time. Now compare all of that to what they did in the 80's. Different music, different drummer.
I didn't change anything. His skills were tolerable in the 70's. Paul and Gene own KISS. Of course they can't be fired. You call it scabbing. I call it KISS. Peter was never happy. He wanted to leave in the 70's. The solo albums was a way to make him happy. He always saw himself as the next Sinatra. Sinatra isn't KISS. Paul and Gene are entitled to everything they have. They gave a shit about the fans. Peter didn't. You never answered my ? Why defend a guy who didn't care about the fans?
I liked his playing better when he was with Badlands for sure. I'm sorry I know I'll get plastered for this but Kiss sucks.
Your statements display just how little u know about drumming! Royster and Singer is like pizza and icecream! both tasty but totally different! you can prefer pizza but that doesn't mean icecream tastes like cowdung! it's just the fact that u prefer listening to the GENRE that royster is playing! nothing more to it! I too prefer Royster, he's one of my top 5 drummers but to compare(which is meaningless)the two is totally mindless...but hey! I guess thats just the way you are...
You forget KISS did just fine without Ace and Peter. They got better musicians, made new music, and toured the world making fans happy. "Cause it aint KISS." says who? you? Whatever. KISS rocks with Tommy and Eric. You don't like it fine but don't give the fans who do shit. Peter had a lot of balls to ask for more money. You get a second chance and start the same bullshit. Writing 5 songs in 30 years is not the work of a major player. Peter stopped caring. Remember that
I like Eric Carr way better :P check out his solo at Cobo Hall Detroit on the Animalize Tour
Lets put it straight to you, someone that listens to drums, ask Neil Peart himself who is better, Buddy Rich or himself. Dude triplets and quads are great but if you take one drum and one drum only, Rich would destroy Peart and Bonham. Tommy Lee, thats a good one. One who does nothing but quads during a drum solo. Same groove, thats funny too. You are the one that needs to ask other drummers, this one cant get it through your thick skull with drumming and with dissing PC.
And secondly PC has never been broke. Down from multi million status? True. Broke. LOL. Another statement from Gene's mouth all through the 80's. Read other sources than just G and P. Talk to CK Lendt who Ive met that handled their finances from 76 to 88. Totally different stories than G an P. Talk to Aucoin, and some of their friends. Different stories. I dont hate G and P Remember Ive been a fan much longer. Im just know how to read between the lines with them. Especially Gene.
Why do you call it scabbing? You know Peter sold his rights to the makeup back to Paul and Gene because he was broke. I'm sick of hearing Peter bitch about Eric in the makeup. What are Paul and Gene doing wrong? They're keeping the band going, still touring making many fans happy. Alive 35 is the biggest tour of all time. Translation? More people are coming out for Tommy and Eric than Ace and Peter. The fans are getting their money's worth.
Are you serious? You don't think Peter stopped caring in 78 79? No I don't play the drums but I know what I like. And Peter's drumming sounded like shit in the 90's. You being a drummer doesn't make the supreme authority on it. My fav drummers Eric Carr, John Bonham, Neil Peart, and Eric Singer. To me double bass drumming shows progression. it gives songs a kick in the Ass. This argument is pointless. Its 2009. Peter is done as a drummer. You must accept it. Singer is better.
BS. Dreams? After 22 years, which is what it was up to the reunion, its about ego and greed. I dont have a problem with movin on or it wont work. But saying PC aint a great drummer is BS. KISS wanna go back to the Revenge era, or call it Simmons/Stanley like Plant and Page did, even better. Cause it aint KISS. Its Scab KISS and its BS. Ive been playing since 79. Im 42. And I actually started playin clubs when I was 15.
It is 2009. Do you really believe that Peter can play 100%? You know he can't. On KISS/Aerosmith, he was sitting in his hotel room every night with his arms in ice. It was time to call it a day. Rich would destroy Peart and Bonham? LMFAO!!!!!!!!! It is not dissing Peter if it is true. He can't play anymore. Sorry you don't agree but Tommy Lee is an great drummer. Don't be mad that you never progressed like they did. I like double bass. I think it sounds great. You don't.
Talked bad about him???? Jesus read your own shit. "No respect for fans, got worse each time". You saw him 4 times. Ive seen him and met him more. He hasnt got worse, hes gotten older. Hes also a different drummer. And slowing songs down is BS. Unless you compare it to Eric Carr back in the 80's there you are right they were playing DRC 100 miles an hour. But that doesnt make him a better drummer.
Ive said it all along. Gene and Paul have done more damage to KISS in the last 7 years than Ace and Peter ever did. Greed, money and ego can do just as much if not more damage than drugs and alcohol. If the drugs and alcohol were that bad, why were they the biggest band during that time? I lived it since '75. Youve been brainwashed by Gene and Paul's over dramatic and exagerated statements over the years.
I dont know how change is not involved, lets see tolerable, never good. Read your shit. Pete had no more Sinatra than Paul did. I answered your question 10,000 times. I dont agree with your not caring for fans, do you read? You havent answered if you play drums? But I know you have your own ear for them. Thank God a lot dont or wed have nothing but triplets, quads, and double bass in all music.
meglio portnoy!