People who complain about a 2% tax on exchange trades has probably not played many other MMOs. This is a genuinely good thing, and should be embraced. A flat 2% is fairly relaxed compared to some, and can be circumvented by actually trading with people (interacting with people in an MMO? Not in OSRS).
Can anyone explain, why they can't just add some untradeable items that can be bought from an NPC for a large amount of coins? Wouldn't that accomplish the same thing as being a gold sink?
I often think people like yourself (not hate) forget how rs used to be in its actual prime days. With as easy as it is to accumulate gp in the game right now don't think of it as taking it out on the players. This needs to happen to make the game better overall. The more powerful weapons that come into the game that kill bosses faster, the faster teleports to get there and the more efficiency players find out and use while the bosses mechanics and damage/hp stays the same.. only makes items dump into the game on a much faster pace. It would be so much better to have these implemented in the game because one day with enough effort things could be WAY more rewarding and enjoyable from bossing, which is what most of there item syncs are from. Not to mention my bank stays full 24/7 so i have no issue paying 888M to not have to deal with that BS anymore. This is literally so good for the game
you seem to fail to understand how item sinks will work and the tax impacts the player, so if we are taxed to remove items from the game then the items value and the value of gold will increase, which makes the 10% tax on grand exchange sales basically unnoticeable to the player base, because gold will have a strong buying value and items will retain their native value more, where as you seem to think its going to feel like a direct punishment for players.
I don't mind the tax. But make it a tax for seller AND buyer. and don't do it as high. Like for example 0,5% for each or 1% for each on lower items. High value items should be at 0,5% per person involved max.
They could offer some sort of cosmetic with tiers based on how much tax you’ve paid. These tiers should go up to some externally high amount like 100b+
What most ppl dont understand is that ur gp at the end of the day will be more valuable. So even if u pay your 2% there's thousand's more paying making the gp in your bank more valuable. They're not taking it out on us.
Love your vids. I totally agree that this update hits flippers hard. But they will rise again, adjust, and we will continue with a new normal. Rsn: Midgame 4eva
Being a casual player, this change is amazing. But personally watching the market being affected as quickly as it has been is very frustrating. I was saving up for a dragon hunter Lance, I was 5m off and the price went up over 10m in a week. Very difficult for me to make that 10m.
yeah and what about the casual player that bought it at $95M and lost half their investment…go grind some money making lol. Seriously complaining about an item going up 10M after it crashed 60% of its value.
@@ste7ano the casual player still has that item, and can go out to continue to grind money with it. Also it dropped from 95m over a course of more than a year. That's less than .1% per day. Instead it went up 6m in a matter of 3 days, that's a 3.5% increase per day. Big difference.
Using taxed gp to delete items sounds perfect. The only issue i can see here is the crying playerbase who things they will lose their items, as they dont understand how it works
@@schwimm33 better than not having at all the limit is temporary until they take it away for ever next year. and the game will never ne the same after that.
@@noobtablet101 the sand casino will always be in our hearts, due to covid-19 and social distancing the cornavirus pandamic has touched us all including yes...including our ...belovid ...sand casino too...
This seem less like fixing an economy and more removing gp so people pay for memberships and not bonds. Bonds have slowly risen over the last few years and now they have crashed gp is now an issue.
If the economy is based on supply a demand then if less buy bonds and sell for gold the price of bonds will go up as there is less availible on the market
I think the main issue there hasn't been any new item/weapons in the game for a while so all late game content has been grinded relentlessly. This game is all about grinding the game needs new late game content with lower drop rate if they want to keep item's stable
They need to apply the tax to all higher tier mid level to end-game gear (barrows through Tbows) and all resource items (logs, ores, etc.). Imo, this is a much needed change, even though I occassionally flip items on the GE for some decent money. Would make entry-level PvM such as Barrows lucrative again. Right now, the only super profitable content is once you get to 85 slayer and any end-game PvM like raids.
To encourage you to sell on the GE you could receive proportional tax credits or something. Then have a tax credit store that sells some untradeables. Maybe recolour armour and some flex items similar to that crystal crown thing. Throw stuff like the rune pouch in there possibly. Needs something sustainable tho. Any ideas? Exp lamps seems pretty obvious but that's a little too game changy I think.
rsn: tylah skills yea im excited for these changes itll help the economy so much. increasing the value of gold and good item sinks for that will hopefully boost the price of said items it'll be awesome
I'd like to see most of these changes come through Although I think they should modify how tax is applied on the grand exchange, maybe make it just all trade is taxed.
RNS: Pinkiepi They aren't adding the mounted coins and other furniture, it was just examples to compare the cost of the new sink, which is itself, just a meme item that people have been asking for for years.
I think this is a good trade off, quadrillions of gp go through the duel arena every day so when that's gone we will need the 2% tax I don't love it but something that's 100m will be worth 98m instead isn't bad for keeping the entire economy afloat
and in the long run that item that is 100m might even gain 50% value lets say like dwh used to be like 40m? now its 29. so whilst the tax is annoying, the items youre selling would be worth more than they were before thus negating the 2% tax, realistically I would like to see something like a 5-10% tax realistically
I think this tax is fine. I would like the item sinks as well. Because I think it would prevent items like end game items falling in value and may stabilize minor items from spiking in value. It's better than adding some stupid degradation system for armor and weapons or items. That would just drive prices up. You can still merch and flip specific items. This is mainly to control a market crash, we don't want a huge drop in prices. If specific items retain their prices we have the ability for everyone to profit. You can still trade without the GE. That would see the return of Varrok and fally being a market of non GE trades.
RSN: Grumpfish I'm new to osrs, but have played mmo's for a while. Its surprising that a tax for the g.e hasnt ever been a thing for how old this game is. Thx for the news on this. P.s My first time putting my name into a lottery.. feels odd
Yeah, played since runescape classic (2002) and i have been shocked that neither version of the game ever opted for a tax on ge transactions. Generally in a mmo the most heavily taxed area of the game is the auction house.
ge tax is a no from me will kill my flipping, rest has potential However bit worried about buying bank space is this the creep whats next the squeal rsn goat shaw
Taking a small portion of your gp to increase the value of your remaining gp seems alright to me. It's not as simple as just losing money because there is a tax.
Do you think there is the potential of ge abuse with the selected items? If they are wanted to buy X Saradomin Swords, a clan merching them could hyper inflate the price / put some up for max cash to cash in on that gold sink idea? RSN - Ziethos
Real sad every time I stop playing osrs for few years my account gets banned I got it back last time I returned but I’ve been wanting to quit rs3 and move back to osrs and again it’s permanently banned for macroing like I don’t even know what that word means really is sad there’s no way I’ll start all over again
HedaKonKripa No matter what is done, the economy on OSRS will be ever changing. Items and GP are coming in at a faster rate then they are disappearing.
nah , it's mainly the botters who mass farm gold into the game & who bot bosses nowadays like nightmare to get the items. Can't blame literally everyone for the greed of a minority.
agreed, and the ridiculous amounts of quantities of items we get from bosses and mobs. I know we needed a buff but i remember a day when dust devil/gargoyles/nechs didnt make you 500k a task lolol. when theres 100x more items coming in to the game without a sink it gunna be a issue. Sadly p2w is a big part of any online game it seems.
No it's all because jagex fucked up allowing dupes to happen which drop the gp from 1$per mil to 0.50$per mil. Now they are going to take it out on the actual players.
I hate this, there are many other ways to create a gold sink. It’s one thing to propose something natural, that players have a choice over. Ie, cosmetic house upgrades, in rs3 case you have invention. Or maybe they could do a well of goodwill? The best way to get the majority of your player base happy here would be to create a sink people WANT to participate in.
This is unironically turning osrs into rs3. The amount of scams from people who trade player to player will skyrocket and then jagex will issue another 'fix' to player trading once its an issue.. Remember this comment
I think the tax should only be applied to items over a threshold. I'd say at least 500k. Below that, and it only harms flippers and people skilling without fixing the economic problems. Rsn: Solidzaku
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I love this change and the ideas they proposed, this will be very good for the health of the game
People who complain about a 2% tax on exchange trades has probably not played many other MMOs. This is a genuinely good thing, and should be embraced. A flat 2% is fairly relaxed compared to some, and can be circumvented by actually trading with people (interacting with people in an MMO? Not in OSRS).
Can anyone explain, why they can't just add some untradeable items that can be bought from an NPC for a large amount of coins? Wouldn't that accomplish the same thing as being a gold sink?
Actually, I guess this is what the bank space feature and gold sink features does...
Great.. so now we get to pay taxes in real life AND fantasy 🤦🏼♀️
They tax you in life and they tax you in your videos game. What a world 🌎
I often think people like yourself (not hate) forget how rs used to be in its actual prime days. With as easy as it is to accumulate gp in the game right now don't think of it as taking it out on the players. This needs to happen to make the game better overall. The more powerful weapons that come into the game that kill bosses faster, the faster teleports to get there and the more efficiency players find out and use while the bosses mechanics and damage/hp stays the same.. only makes items dump into the game on a much faster pace. It would be so much better to have these implemented in the game because one day with enough effort things could be WAY more rewarding and enjoyable from bossing, which is what most of there item syncs are from. Not to mention my bank stays full 24/7 so i have no issue paying 888M to not have to deal with that BS anymore. This is literally so good for the game
you seem to fail to understand how item sinks will work and the tax impacts the player, so if we are taxed to remove items from the game then the items value and the value of gold will increase, which makes the 10% tax on grand exchange sales basically unnoticeable to the player base, because gold will have a strong buying value and items will retain their native value more, where as you seem to think its going to feel like a direct punishment for players.
The idea of Jaggie hiring economists terrifies me. Economists only know one thing and that's how to crash an economy in slow motion.
I don't mind the tax. But make it a tax for seller AND buyer. and don't do it as high. Like for example 0,5% for each or 1% for each on lower items. High value items should be at 0,5% per person involved max.
Actually a really nice vid. Thanks for that mate.
Madtentacion
They could offer some sort of cosmetic with tiers based on how much tax you’ve paid. These tiers should go up to some externally high amount like 100b+
they already have cosmetic item sinks, the crystal crown is a great example of this, 200m to buy and 50m for each recolor.
What most ppl dont understand is that ur gp at the end of the day will be more valuable. So even if u pay your 2% there's thousand's more paying making the gp in your bank more valuable. They're not taking it out on us.
Love your vids. I totally agree that this update hits flippers hard. But they will rise again, adjust, and we will continue with a new normal. Rsn: Midgame 4eva
Being a casual player, this change is amazing. But personally watching the market being affected as quickly as it has been is very frustrating. I was saving up for a dragon hunter Lance, I was 5m off and the price went up over 10m in a week. Very difficult for me to make that 10m.
Get Song Of The Elves done. Zalcano is a great money maker that's easy as hell
It will go right back down. Don't worry about it lol
yeah and what about the casual player that bought it at $95M and lost half their investment…go grind some money making lol. Seriously complaining about an item going up 10M after it crashed 60% of its value.
@@ste7ano the casual player still has that item, and can go out to continue to grind money with it. Also it dropped from 95m over a course of more than a year. That's less than .1% per day. Instead it went up 6m in a matter of 3 days, that's a 3.5% increase per day. Big difference.
RSN: Casual Pug
I just started playing a week ago and learning a lot about the economy from your vids. Thanks man!
Osolott! Thanks for the vids and the chance for some stuff big boi 😘
Thanks for the in-depth explanation of how many things will be effected through in game taxes. Super informative !
RSN gratfulnoodl
Really going to suck for those who flip! Thanks for the video, keep it up. St1tch6.
Fix the bot problem?? Nah let them profit and we will just delete the items makes sense wtf
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d4rkcult
good vid man, explained the new econ proposal really well. makes more sense to me now
What they need to do is add all of the logs ores bars etc to the list so we can finally get the prices at reasonable levels for all of them
for raw materials it won't matter much they would have to go up exponentially to have a real impact
No
Using taxed gp to delete items sounds perfect. The only issue i can see here is the crying playerbase who things they will lose their items, as they dont understand how it works
You'll lose coin from the tax, but your gold will become more valuable in return. This is needed for the health of the economy.
why not keep the duel arena open to weekends only?
Why would they? A limit is a very good thing.
@@schwimm33 better than not having at all the limit is temporary until they take it away for ever next year. and the game will never ne the same after that.
@@shimonbrown9590 really looking forward to osrs without stupid sand casino
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@@noobtablet101 the sand casino will always be in our hearts, due to covid-19 and social distancing the cornavirus pandamic has touched us all including yes...including our ...belovid ...sand casino too...
This seem less like fixing an economy and more removing gp so people pay for memberships and not bonds. Bonds have slowly risen over the last few years and now they have crashed gp is now an issue.
Bonds would also change in price if less people purchased them bringing the price down.
If the economy is based on supply a demand then if less buy bonds and sell for gold the price of bonds will go up as there is less availible on the market
I think the main issue there hasn't been any new item/weapons in the game for a while so all late game content has been grinded relentlessly. This game is all about grinding the game needs new late game content with lower drop rate if they want to keep item's stable
They need to apply the tax to all higher tier mid level to end-game gear (barrows through Tbows) and all resource items (logs, ores, etc.). Imo, this is a much needed change, even though I occassionally flip items on the GE for some decent money. Would make entry-level PvM such as Barrows lucrative again. Right now, the only super profitable content is once you get to 85 slayer and any end-game PvM like raids.
To encourage you to sell on the GE you could receive proportional tax credits or something. Then have a tax credit store that sells some untradeables. Maybe recolour armour and some flex items similar to that crystal crown thing. Throw stuff like the rune pouch in there possibly. Needs something sustainable tho. Any ideas? Exp lamps seems pretty obvious but that's a little too game changy I think.
rsn: tylah skills
yea im excited for these changes itll help the economy
so much. increasing the value of gold and good item sinks for that will hopefully boost the price of said items it'll be awesome
I'd like to see most of these changes come through
Although I think they should modify how tax is applied on the grand exchange, maybe make it just all trade is taxed.
Not a fan of the tax but oh well. I get the reasoning behind it
RSN-GlowingShite
Imagine spending 500,000,000 for 40 extra bank spaces. What could you possibly need that extra space for that would warrant spending that...
Rsn: Foxy Lady 87
I’m actually loving the ideal of a golden sink inside of POH.
RNS: Pinkiepi
They aren't adding the mounted coins and other furniture, it was just examples to compare the cost of the new sink, which is itself, just a meme item that people have been asking for for years.
GimmyTurner, give a man some love with the dragondrip. Thanks for the newsupdate!
Great video, keep them coming! Rsn: Brandinous
I think this is a good trade off, quadrillions of gp go through the duel arena every day so when that's gone we will need the 2% tax I don't love it but something that's 100m will be worth 98m instead isn't bad for keeping the entire economy afloat
and in the long run that item that is 100m might even gain 50% value lets say like dwh used to be like 40m? now its 29. so whilst the tax is annoying, the items youre selling would be worth more than they were before thus negating the 2% tax, realistically I would like to see something like a 5-10% tax realistically
The last step of immersion is taxes. Also great news for gold farmers, thanks for keeping gold prices high jagex.
OSRS gold prices has been .05-.08 lower than usual since the implementation of banning and going after buyers. Riskier, sure, gold prices high, no.
@@halorun2 no buyers or farmers are being banned lol. stop believing jagex.
I think this tax is fine. I would like the item sinks as well. Because I think it would prevent items like end game items falling in value and may stabilize minor items from spiking in value. It's better than adding some stupid degradation system for armor and weapons or items. That would just drive prices up. You can still merch and flip specific items. This is mainly to control a market crash, we don't want a huge drop in prices. If specific items retain their prices we have the ability for everyone to profit. You can still trade without the GE. That would see the return of Varrok and fally being a market of non GE trades.
Hey bro, love the vid. In game name is ChampionMo, keep it up!
I hope it doesn’t effect all items because flipping will be dead 💀
good riddens
pvm/bossing items to start with, they said it would not be every item
open osrs wiki -> money making methods -> then you earn money by actually playing the game! Yay!
RSN: Teh Dan
Not sure how I feel about the tax because I merch a lot.
WIth live GE prices it kinda killed merchanting all together meh
Thank you. Kovvu
RSN: Grumpfish
I'm new to osrs, but have played mmo's for a while. Its surprising that a tax for the g.e hasnt ever been a thing for how old this game is.
Thx for the news on this.
P.s
My first time putting my name into a lottery.. feels odd
Yeah, played since runescape classic (2002) and i have been shocked that neither version of the game ever opted for a tax on ge transactions. Generally in a mmo the most heavily taxed area of the game is the auction house.
so basically what world of warcraft have been doing since 2004.. except the deletion of items
Worried for the grand exchange taxes but hope it all works out ... Good video RSN= a f o
cool video bro!
rsn: g o d pt iii
I like this tax thing
KonarsBush this was awesome! I love all the good stuff coming and leading into the new year, I can't wait!!
ge tax is a no from me will kill my flipping, rest has potential However bit worried about buying bank space is this the creep whats next the squeal
rsn goat shaw
Taking a small portion of your gp to increase the value of your remaining gp seems alright to me. It's not as simple as just losing money because there is a tax.
Do you think there is the potential of ge abuse with the selected items? If they are wanted to buy X Saradomin Swords, a clan merching them could hyper inflate the price / put some up for max cash to cash in on that gold sink idea?
RSN - Ziethos
RSN: Skankluhdank
I like the tax but resource items need to be added to the list as well as items.
DMM RERUN! WOOOO!
-Rsn Farmlyfe
Real sad every time I stop playing osrs for few years my account gets banned I got it back last time I returned but I’ve been wanting to quit rs3 and move back to osrs and again it’s permanently banned for macroing like I don’t even know what that word means really is sad there’s no way I’ll start all over again
Just found your channel a few weeks ago. Keep up the solid videos.
RSN: CitrusCastle
Main_Apophis
Thanks for the information. Love the content. Keep it up
RSN: BIG_TYN3
I am really not looking forward to this exchange tax
HedaKonKripa
No matter what is done, the economy on OSRS will be ever changing. Items and GP are coming in at a faster rate then they are disappearing.
I'm liking the commentary!
RSN: YoureTooEZ
Sounds like im buying a bunch of dark bows to flip! Great vid!
Rsn: VVetion
I think that the tax will be a good thing tbo
rsn: iinsin
i like the gold/item sinks they're adding, long term economic health is priority imo
“Us”players are the reason we’re in this shit economy to begin with…
nah , it's mainly the botters who mass farm gold into the game & who bot bosses nowadays like nightmare to get the items. Can't blame literally everyone for the greed of a minority.
agreed, and the ridiculous amounts of quantities of items we get from bosses and mobs. I know we needed a buff but i remember a day when dust devil/gargoyles/nechs didnt make you 500k a task lolol. when theres 100x more items coming in to the game without a sink it gunna be a issue. Sadly p2w is a big part of any online game it seems.
No it's all because jagex fucked up allowing dupes to happen which drop the gp from 1$per mil to 0.50$per mil. Now they are going to take it out on the actual players.
@@JDog801 you’re forgetting that the people duping… are players..
@@feef1652 yes. a very very very small minority of players. Blaming ALL players for that mistake is like calling every person on earth a murderer.
The Great Reset just hit RS
You're just going to lose your GP you're losing your GP right now because the prices are a mess. This is healthy
So many new updates and changes, cant wait to get back from my 'break'.
RSN : UnRakki
RSN: lFalcorn
The taxes are too damn high
Love the video osrs six god 66
Add something like divination skill or whatever? To break down old armour into better ones or upgrade
I hate this, there are many other ways to create a gold sink. It’s one thing to propose something natural, that players have a choice over. Ie, cosmetic house upgrades, in rs3 case you have invention. Or maybe they could do a well of goodwill? The best way to get the majority of your player base happy here would be to create a sink people WANT to participate in.
Reign Primal
RIP Flipping Old School
Oars: Squishy Dori
like 25 Buttholes always says, there should also be Wilderness tax. 😂
Rsn: Calmlegend
Do you think people who are flipping will loose the status to do that?
RSN: Phvs
Love the video!
If it gets players trading properly like before, the 20% is worth it
It'll just be bots selling for a mark up lol
This is unironically turning osrs into rs3. The amount of scams from people who trade player to player will skyrocket and then jagex will issue another 'fix' to player trading once its an issue.. Remember this comment
RSN: kitty slave
RSN: Doctor Error
RSN: Nanonymouse
rsn: FishMoley
Want more Castle Wars stuff
RSN: RoundEngines
I don't mind taxes being added, just think 2% is a huge number. Especially for more expensive items.
Nice videos as Always bro 😄
Rsn: Tourshi
Taxes are fine imho
RSN: rainerkeule
Mayan reaper great vid bra
S E N P A Y
I feel the task should be on the buyer not the seller
If a sellers not happy with being spooned sales they can go and find players to sell to instead?
"They shouldn't be taking it out on the players" What the hell do you mean? Nobody else is driving the economy.
RSN: WELKMAN95, kinda looking forward to the new tax.
Nice video
Steven13adid
Awesome update video thanks! Ign same as UA-cam name:)
Broku38. love the content bro!
RSN: Bowzerr
They were better off making max 1m stake 10times in 24 hour period imo
The ge tax is stupid
Dark Fury AKA StormStryke4.
I think the tax should only be applied to items over a threshold. I'd say at least 500k. Below that, and it only harms flippers and people skilling without fixing the economic problems. Rsn: Solidzaku
Flippers and skillers-through-GE are both bad things too. GE shouldn't be nearly a crutch as it is now to people's gameplay.
RSN:Tab On Em
Sinister Kat is the name, being a noob is my game.
RuneScape better not turn into Habbo Hotel 😂
RSN: PickYoMansUp