Not really Because genos would get blitz in a sense. I got genos to around planetary being able to kill all 5 demon cyborgs which all 5 = a weaker orouchi
@@ZenRaigo genos is equal to and completely able to clash and overpower phykosorochis beam which has been calced to small planetary but since phykosorochi is an Amp of regular orochi who is calced at large planetary I got genos at planet-large planetary and since he can generally keep up with the mid tiers in the verse I'd say he's a few times ftl (this a lowball and you can easily get him to 100s of times ftl as he can keep up with speed of sound sonic who blitz flashy flash who was a part of the 256x ftl light structure thats used to scale garou)naruto on the other hand is barely ftl and I've seen several people debunk him below ftl he has the ap advantage but that's why I said it would be a fairer fight naruto would not be able yo blitz genos at all though
And don't give me shit like he's called speed of sound sonic because he can only go that fast when he can legit perception blitz other mid tier characters in the verse easily
@@ClairvoyantDreams358 Saitama speed blitzes and one shots. Saitama actually has MFTL+ feats like destroying a cluster of stars or landing on IO on the moon of Jupiter and was able to move insanely fast on the flouting rocks which is bigger then the moon since it expanded outwards so yeah I used to think Naruto wins but not anymore so stop talking and embarrassing yourself
@@Kryptic_sx saitama has destroyed galaxies and multiple stars in a punch (at least its implied so) he took a few scratches from a gamma ray burst (the strongest and most powerful phenomenon in the universe) as seen in the vid, MFTL speed, and also he has interacted with hyperspace portals, a 4d feat. all ignoring the fact that he will get exponentially stronger throughout the fight and suprass naruto no matter what he does saitama claps, no questions asked
In the latest chapter that came out yesterday, Saitama's sneeze destroyed the surface of Jupiter and exposed it's core, which has a gravitational force 7x greater than Earth. Meaning Saitama's sneeze could literally destroy the Earth with ease! So the entire Naruto verse could come at Saitama at once, and still wouldn't even phase him. Naruto by himself gets dunked on. And Sasuke couldn't even open a portal and trap Saitama in there, because we know Saitama can interact with 4th Dimensional portals now, and kick them away like they're soccer balls! Also. Garou also taught Saitama how to use the energy of the cosmos, and thus the ability to reverse time at his leisure, as we saw him do in the most recent chapter. So Saitama is absolutely broken at this point in time, and he still hasn't even remotely used his full power, nor has he even taken any damage.
You forgot to say that since saitama completely broke his limiter, he can pretty much use infinite power as confirmed in the latest chapter. Garou tried to copy saitama's power, but saitama's power was growing exponentially mid battle to the point garou stated that saitama would eventually adapt to a level where he can one-shot garou. He pretty much has an infinite reserve of power, can use it whenever he needs to.
@@4nnd711 not only that, but Saitama has already said that he would never lose to himself from yesterday, the Saitama we saw do all those insane feats will still get one shot by the Saitama that wakes up tomorrow
Saitama deflected Boros's attack killed boros and cut the clouds into half with the shock waves of his punch which is already planetary cause he did all of this just with his shock waves. So if he uses consecutive serious punches it can be way more powerful. While none of naruto's jutsus are capable of destroying a planet. The explosion that one of naruto's strongest moves the tailed beast rasen shuriken created was nothing in front of the one that Saitama created with his single punch. And in baryon mode naruto uses his rasengan and all he could do was yeet ishiki on a small distance. While boros's kick yeeted Saitama from moon to earth in a second. Boros's kick was way stronger. And in the manga Saitama kept up with flashy flash just by jogging. That means Saitama can jog faster than light.
Hahahahah Pal it is useless to debate in this SITE considering that this SITE is dedicated to NARUTO FANS but if you want to debate with THEM regarding FEATS just mention the SAITAMA VS GOD MANGA FEATS that should be ENOUGH EVIDENCE regarding saitama's TRUE POWER or in short SAITAMA REMOVED HIS LIMITER while NARUTO HAS MEASURABLE LIMITS
Saitama vs god manga wasn't canon. But if anyone want to know how durable Saitama is just see the latest manga chapter. He took a a direct hit from garou's most powerful attack that when on impact was able to move Earth from its course.
@Francis Lacap True it may have not been canon but it may have had been canon if you just think of how it was stated in the canon that SAITAMA REMOVE HIS LIMITER, to begin with the NOT CANON SAITAMA VS GOD MANGA was just a reference of WHAT COULD HAD BEEN if saitama faced god level threat of such level where if he was forced to fight a REAL PLANETARY/UNIVERSAL level opponent then SAITAMA can definitely showcase such level of power EVEN IF IT WAS IN THE CANON
He is a gag. His gag is that he can one punch anyone/anything and he is also invincible. Him being a gag would immediately make him the winner. Proof: One Punch Man is a gag manga: (Sugoi Japan interview with ONE and Murata) (Edit 2)(Edit 3) (Question) What led you to begin drawing a web comic? (Answer) How long have you wanted to be a manga artist? ONE: I had decided I wanted to be a gag manga artist from the time I was in grade school. I was a fan of Crayon Shin-chan, and at the time I wanted to draw that sort of manga. For me it wasn’t a case of simply trying to be a manga artist and testing the waters to see if it was worth a shot. Rather, my thought process was to decide right off the bat that I was going to be one, so the rest was just a matter of effort. I guess that’s how I decided my whole future while still just a kid. 2. Saitama was created to be invincible: - (ONE Interview from 2012)(Edit 4)(Edit 5) (Question) When Saitama always finishes off enemies in one punch it's really exhilarating and feels good, but on the other hand, isn't it hard to make a new kind of development that still ends in the punch every time? Is there something that you keep in mind when you're creating these plots? (Answer): To be honest, I never actually thought this was hard..... It was when someone else pointed this out to me when I realized for the first time, "Is this setting too hard for me to continue with?" But in the end, even to this day I hadn't thought that writing the plot was hard. Thinking of a plot that involved a lot of thinking and cleverness for the main character to get over any obstacle requires a lot of experience and knowledge, so I think it's a bit too hard for me. In Saitama's case, all I have to do is have him show up to punch the problem away so I don't have to think too much about it. In the world Saitama lives in, monsters show up frequently, so he gets to utilize his strength to the fullest, so I can feel comfortable making my plot. If anything happens, I can always count on Saitama. The story will be interesting as long as he's on the move. The difficulties Saitama encounters are for the most part really common problems like making it to the next supermarket sale, and since I solve these problems myself, it's easy to write about them. The only hard part is to make his allies seem not too weak. 3. Saitama is strong for gag purposes: Hmmmm..... he's the title character..... when he first appeared there didn't seem to be any other long running characters, even until the Garou arc he did most of the jokes, many of them by mocking overly dramatic villains and oneshotting them.... Really? Is someone so determined to prove the opposite, that's a perfectly logical overopowered action hero? (Edit 1) 4. Conlusion: Edit 1: Limiter, even if it is confirmed for Saitama (which it hasn't), doesn't make his power completely logical or take away the fact it is used as a joke far too often to be a standard plot element. Edit 2: Interviews taken from onepunchman.wikia.com/wiki/Interviews Edit 3: If someone cites the actual dictionary definition to say Saitama is no gag character, he is ruling out Bugs Bunny, Popeye, Arale, and Squirrel Girl, plus any popularly acclaimed gag character that is the main character, has a personality, and a variety of jokes. Just understand that line of arguement means there are basically no gag characters in fiction, making it a useless definition. Edit 4: Yes, Saitama and the OPM series has become much more serious, philosophic, and meaningful than a simple gag, but that doesn't contradict them being both. Edit 5: It doesn't take any intelligence, scientific knowledge, or writing skill to make an invincible character. Any five year old can say "My hero is invincible, can't lose, and beats everyone." Even if yoy somehow figured out a possible loophole in their power, they could just add statements cementing their intention: an invincible character.
Ye because he removed his limiter. But some people will say he has inf potential ima debunk it. Author said that he put saitama in peak condition. Meaning inf potential + peak = inf str speed etc. Author said
He’s strong enough to one shot anyone in his own verse. Being the strongest in his own Universe doesn’t mean he’s the strongest character in all of fiction.
I don’t think so, I’ve never watched naruto, but homeless emporor is only human speed and durability, so I guess naruto can move his hands wierd and win
@@loganbair9562 yes he is an average actually out of shape human but his light powers protect him from attacks he can't react to, Zombie man had a gun hidden in his freaking chest that fired on it own and one of HE 's ligjt spheres protected him, also he has the protection of a god!
anyone who thinks that naruto beats saitama, allow me to school you, in season 1 episode 11 of one punch man, saitama confronts geryuganshoop (Boros' Henchman) and he alters the gravitational pull of the ship's control room to that of a Black Hole, which if you didnt know is 1.6 trillion (1,600,000,000,000) times earths gravity, yet saitama was just chilling and picking his nose, now saitama weighs 70kg, meaning under this many Gs, saitama would weigh 11.2 trillion kilograms (11,200,000,000,000kg) yet he is comfortably and effortlessly standing there withstanding all of this, on top of all this, your arm makes up an average of 5% of your total body mass, meaning one of saitama's arms under this many Gs would weigh 560 billion kilograms (560,000,000,000kg) or 560 million tons (560,000,000T)... JUST ONE OF HIS ARMS UNDER THIS MANY Gs WEIGHS 560 FUCKING MILLION TONS... AND HE LIFTED IT UP TO HIS HEAD LIKE IT WAS THE LIGHTEST WEIGHT IN YOUR LOCAL GYM... how in the world people say naruto beats saitama i will never know, someone literally calculated the energy it would require to blow off half of jupiter down to the core, and it is enough energy to completely evicerate earth and send the debris to the other end of the cosmos 90x over, AND SAITAMA DID THAT WITH A FUCKING SNEEZE! MY GUY FARTED HIMSELF LITERAL HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IN A COUPLE OF SECONDS LIKE... WITH JUST HIS BOWELS... naruto doesnt win in any scenario you narutards can come up with, accept it
While this is a valid feat but I have to correct you there is no absalute black home mass then can come anyway in size from the size of a particle (primordial black whole) to 16 times the size of our solar system (ton 618 a ultra massiv black whole) but the average black whole is about 4 solar masses and the mass of the sun is about 333 000 times the earths so you multiply that times 4 and it 1.3 million times the mass of earth im not doing any more math but you get the point however still a very good point to bring up
Alright, so there are so many things here that you missed out on Naruto or get wrong, here it is= *1.* You don't seem to understand in the databook statement that Haku ONLY move between the mirrors at the speed of light, it doesn't mean that his combat speed or travel speed is lightspeed, it's literally just talking about him switching from mirror to mirror. *2.* No, the Stars in Kaguya and Momoshiki's dimension is absolutely real because they were outright stated to be "parallel dimensions", the word parallel means that it's similar to another so it does mimic the real thing. The Sun that we saw in The Last is just an artificial Sun at the centre of the Moon created by the Tenseigan and it's actually just a barrier that has many important sites in it such as Hamura's shrine, the Tenseigan itself, and a castle where Toneri lives. There's also the Uni meta for Naruto, but i won't use that here since i know most people would find that hard to believe, so i'll just stick to the basic belief which is Solar System level. *3.* In the Sasuke Retsuden Novel, Hagoromo consigned half of a meteorite into another constellation. We’re not given an exact time frame, but we can say for sure it took less than a year for Hagoromo to do so since he was dying and wanted to hide the other half of the meteorite. The distance of the nearest Star is 4.244 light-years away. It's safe to assume that it would take 1 day or at the very least a week for Hagoromo to do the feat considering that he would need water to survive and how he was also in the back tail of his life at this point. This would mean Hagoromo's speed is 1.000+ times faster than light. We all know that Naruto has far surpassed Hagoromo, so his speed would be way higher than that.
To be honest, this comparison is utter nonsense. Its like comparing Zeno to Goku. All these toxic biased fans just wants to make it a valid debate but its not. After the new chapters, Saitama even surpassed Goku then what is Naruto gonna do?
@@sme7893 bruh we have not seen Saitama's powers so that means he could be stronger than Goku, i am not saying that he is but still, he is limit breaker that means he has no limits so if talk about that Saitama could be stronger than Goku
i agree with most of this and Saitama def wins, but Saitama's dura neg resistance isn't nearly as broken as Cluck is making it out to be. For example, if TOAA were to use existence erasure on Saitama then it just wouldn't work by this logic, granted he wouldn't need to use any hax to begin with but that's besides the point, Saitama's 'dura neg' feat is just an attack from Garou that attacks the inside of Saitama's body which shares the same level of durability as the outside so if garou's punch from the outside wouldn't hurt Saitama, then a punch on the inside wouldn't hurt him either, all in all love ur vids keep up the grind brother
@@PequenoWiltord I know that, but there are still forms of durability negation that Saitama can’t be resistant to like Gojo’s durability negation, and saying that he is would just be a no limits fallacy
I don't think any type of damage would affect him, since he's made to be completely invinsible. He's eventually going to fight god, and we'll probably see some crazy hax from him.
@@AJ-ry8qd that’s a no limits fallacy, assuming that he’s just stronger without any actual proof to back up your statement, and you can’t use plot in a vs battle it defeats the purpose, you could easily just say “oh this character has this kind of plot armor to one shot anyone therefore he beats everyone.” Which isn’t true due to the plot being a thing created by the author and not a byproduct of the actual characters powers
Please show me one thing Naruto has over Saitama. First, lemme go down the line of things Saitama has done. Sneezed and blew up Jupiter casually. Farted from the sun to earth in the matter of seconds. It takes 8 minutes for light to travel to earth, and Saitama did it within seconds with a fart, not even him giving it his all. And when he did this, he wasn’t even serious, he was toying around with garou, so it wasn’t even his peak. The brother picked up the crust of a moon and destroyed it with the flick of the wrist and moved so fast around it that he put it back together with the sheer force of his movement. Before Saitama even got to Jupiter’s moon, Saitama and Garou clashed fists, which resulted in numerous solar systems being destroyed instantly. That was just the energy from their punches, not even the full force. And instantly, solar systems were wiped out. When they first got to the moon, Saitama was fighting seriously. He was giving it his all, but he has an ability that instantly puts him over any of his opponents. He had the ability to grow infinitely and exponentially, growing way beyond his previous limit in the matter of seconds. Every punch gets stronger with the next, and after a few minutes of fighting, Saitama wasn’t even taking the fight seriously. He was toying around like he usually does with his enemies as he was casually sneezing Jupiter away. He farted from the sun to earth in seconds. And he wasn’t even going all out at this point. Even after all of this, Saitama still hasn’t reached his full prime. Garou taught Saitama all of his techniques, meaning that Saitama can do anything Garou could. By just watching, Saitama mastered all of Garou’s techniques in ways Garou couldn’t and used it to time travel. So now, Saitama can basically time travel. When he did go back in the past, Saitama merged with his current self, becoming one whole Saitama. So not only did Saitama have all of his new gained strength along with Garou’s, but he merged with his past self, multiplying his power even more. Might I add that all of this happened without Saitama taking a single scratch of damage. Saitama never got tired or warn out, he wasn’t fighting desperately on his last legs, he was just being Saitama. If Naruto even attempted to replicate these feats, which he can’t, he’d be on his last legs fighting desperately. And if you wanna wank, which y’all like to do, 169 confirmed Saitama can’t lose. Again, this is wank, but since y’all love doing it, might as well do what y’all do. Genos was able to see everything that transpired that Saitama forgot. When he broke it down, he believed that no matter what, there isn’t a timeline that Saitama loses, and the universe will always correct itself so that Saitama wins under any circumstance. There you go. There is absolutely nothing that Naruto has over Saitama
Naruto highballed is actually universal with immeasurable speed since it was stated that Kaguya was going to destroy a time space and recreate it with her TSO, and Isshiki is able to move through a dimension that has no time in it. The midball for Naruto is easily solar system+ and MFTL because Base Momoshiki was capable of absorbing stars and planets yet was struggling to absorb even half of Naruto's chakra and still was getting stomped by Naruto even after absorbing kinshiki, and Kid Sasuke with his one tomoe sharingan was able to react to Haku's lightspeed attack with his HYPERSONIC speed and yet Adult Sasuke, who has an eternal Mankenkyo Sharingan, a Tomoe Rinnegan, and FTL reaction speed, couldn't even perceive Isshiki's chakra rods but Baryon mode Naruto was casually catching them like nothing. Personally, I think Saitama is a bit wanked by some of his fans especially those who think he was made to somehow one punch all of fiction but honestly I think Naruto has the advantage of overall power, skill, and speed, but I think Saitama is durable enough for his emotions and potential to kick in and eventually overwhelm Naruto unless he uses the TSOs before Saitama could get going.
It just blows my mind how much Naruto gets overblown. Universe level? That is hilarious. Same with trying to say Naruto is even approaching lightspeed is just hilarious. If Naruto was anywhere near universal level, a single flick of his without any power ups should be able to obliterate the planet and the solar system. Same with lightspeed. That would mean Naruto could travel anywhere in the continent within a second. Even when people try to say they don't mean movement speed, but reflex, that is still straight up kappa. I'm just reminded of Naruto being trapped in a tree. And then see people trying to claim he is planetary level 😂 dude at most is continent level if I'm being generous, but most likely large mountain. The end of shippuden with Naruto and sasuke going all out against each other just roughs up the area within like a kilometer, but I'm expected to believe that he has the power to destroy the planet? 🧐
@@JBPVFLahh yes the appeal to reality fallacy, Naruto is multiversal at best and universal at least. Momoshiki has pocket universes that he drains chakra from
@@davidhendersonii221 draining chakra from something is different from having a blast that can blow away the universes. And yes, you have to appeal to reality when you are attempting to extract characters from their universe and have them face others from different shows. There are a lot of descriptors in anime, like fast as lightning, quick as the wind, strong as a mountain that don't always mean it in the literal sense. Nor when you see lasers of any kind are you supposed to think if anyone can dodge them they are now lightspeed. Looking at star wars is the perfect example. So many fans of the show take everything at face value and it just makes the entire show make 0 sense. It takes the characters days if not weeks to get to other villages. If any character was even approaching light speed with reflexes or otherwise, they could get to any village on the continent within a second or 2. Same with if any of them were actual multiversal (😂) as you put it would threaten to destroy all of the planet every time they fought. Do you even know the scale you are trying to place them on? That would make them well above even the saiyans in dbz, who are sent as kids to turn into oozaru to destroy planets. Sorry, but no one in Naruto is even approaching anyone in dragonball near the end
Saitama broke his limiter giving him infinite strength meaning the only way Naruto could even have draw is by also having infinite strength which he does not have so Saitama would erase mans with ease
@@eddieboston6540 new chap. gauros words himself "HE has infinite strength" this is a gauro with knowledge of the entire universe. and for ref. naruto cut a hollow moon inhalf. sitama with one hand grabbed a larger moon and ripped it apart. with no difficulty. ONE. HANDED
Six Paths version is stronger than Baryon Furryon Nerfyon version. Truth seeking orbs destroy the matter at conctact, like Onoki Particle art style. So if Saitama try to punch them can happen only two things: 1) his arm being dismantle. 2) he punch them away because broken gag no limit character.
Sup cluck, there is another way of getting naruto’s speed that gets him above saitama as a lowball. In Naruto we know that physical capabilities like durability strength or speed are in direct correlation with the amount chakra one has, this has been both shown and stated multiple times (kurama chakra, eight gates, Sakura’s and tsunade’s seal etc). The argument is as follows: we know that kakashi as a kid was at least the speed of lighting (seeing as he cut one in half). The speed of lighting is around 3000 times slower than the speed of light, so we just need to find out around how much more chakra does adult baryon mode Naruto has than kid kakashi to get his speed. Naruto with half the nine tails and after fighting for an entire day, had enough chakra to power the shinobi alliance by three times the chakra of war arc kakashi. Now when we first saw kakashi in the land of waves (way stronger than kid kakashi), he could only use the sharingan for a few minutes and then a week in bed because of the consumption of chakra. War arc kakashi was able to use dosens of Chidoris, plus constant use of the mangekyo, so only by that you could argue that he has thousands of times more chakra than his kid self. (The calcs done by the community put it at thousands of times at least). So war arc kakashi would already be fast AF, but let’s say that he has the same chakra as his kid self. Then Naruto powers the shinobi alliance by three times that kakashis chakra, now in the alliance there where 80 thousands ninjas, of which none suffered major casualties except for garaas division. Which died completely. Let’s say for the sake of argument that another whole division died combining the others casualties, then you would have 40 thousand ninjas buffed by 3 times the chakra of war arc kakashi. 3x40,000 is 120,000, (remember we only needed 300 to get to light speed). That didn’t even phase kurama total chakra, let’s be generous and say that that costed him half of his chakra, that would mean that kurama has double that, 240,000. Then that is just half of kurama (other half in minato) 480,000, this is without factoring in naruto’s own chakra.Then we get to the six paths buff, in order to get that one we know that it got him to be relative if not superior to ten tails Madara with one rinnegan. So let’s see how powerful one eye rinnegan ten tails Madara is: Let’s say that Madaras base is the same as base kurama, which is a lowball. So 480,000. Then let’s massively lowball both the rinnegan buff (which made him able to beat all tailed beast including kurama 0 diff) and the ten tails buff (all tailed beast combined), and say that each one of those only amped him by the power of kurama. That would get that Madara to 1,440,000. Then he absorbs the world tree in panic against base Naruto (lest lowball again and say the world tree is a kurama lvl buff) so 1,920,000. And that madara only then matches Naruto. Right there we know that Six paths Naruto is AT LEAST 1,920,000 times faster than kid kakashi, we divide that by 3000 to get a rough estimate of times ftl and we get 640 of times faster than light. Remember, that is TEEN naruto, as you said he gets hundreds of times stronger, as he then proceeds to fight kaguya which is much stronger than Madara, then one shots toneri, who was stated to be a threat like kaguya, then beat fused momoshiki with half his chakra and no jutsus. Then gets stomped by jigen, then jigen gets a buff and becomes ishiki and Naruto in baryon mode fodderizes that ishiki. Th power creep from what we called with six paths Naruto to baryon mode is insane. Naruto in baryon mode should be comfortably thousands of times ftl. I could do the calc more exact but you get the point Take into the account that my calc is the bare minimum for how much more chakra Naruto has, to ridiculous degrees like equalizing the ten tails and nine tails chakra or saying that war arch kakashi and kid kakashi have the same amount of chakra… This is also not inconsistent with some lines of scaling like the raikage being ftl according to the data books, or orochimaru dodging photons in the novels. Or base hokage Naruto also dodging both photons and deltas laser point blank. Please let me know what do you think of this calc (and take into account you could use a similar calc to get his AP and durability) Thanks for coming to my Ted talk :)
@@PequenoWiltord my calc is consistent with some lines of scaling like orochimaru dodging photons in the novels, the raikage being ftl, or mina to being ftl. It’s also consistent with some later feats like Naruto dodging lasers or the light fang feat. My calc is also a massive lowball. So, please tell me why my calc is wrong, I’ll wait.
This would be fairly inconsistent, seeing as Naruto’s best feat as a teen was dodging the light fang, which even if you say it’s as the name implies, it’d put Naruto 2x sol at most, everything else is essentially unquantifiable and based off of assumptions. Another thing is physical amps from chakra isn’t linear, Tsunade had the highest AP out of the kage in the War Arc, yet the Raikage was faster, as Tsunade focused her chakra into strength, and Raikage focused into speed. The whole argument here is based off of assumptions.
lmao this people lowball saitama as if he's not capable of destroying galaxy or universe just because they need to see that feat drawn in manga😂 assholes, goku never destroyed galaxy and universe, if u gonna use beerus and goku clashing their fist together its not a feat of being Universal too since they didnt destroy the universe instead they did destroy few planets and yet they didnt destroy the earth? goku cant survivors vacuum of space and saitama did that while holding his breath and speaking. naruto is crap, stop that bs mft+ of him coz he never did the same feat saitama did, baryon mode is the strongest form he have right? compared to saitama and garou fight in space which one cause more damage? which one is faster? which one is stronger?
@@Espurr.8 maybe you only watch opm but kaguya has created dimension with all the chakra she get from human(infinite tsukuyomi) but i dnt see naruto at universal lvl maybe multi solar sys wih ftl+ at best saitama only grow exponential only via intense emotion his growth is nothing impressive but still huge ,potentially galaxy with mlft
isshiki is way stronger than kaguya the same kaguya who has stars in her dimensions also momoshiki has stars in his dimensions as well and isshiki scales way higher than them and baryon mode scales higher than isshiki so in a high ball baryon mode naruto should scale around solar system+ high balling
@@jojov1nce504 my bad I was trying to say that isshiki should be at least star level because he is leagues above kaguya and she has stars in her dimension and baryon mode naruto is way stronger than isshiki so he should be at least star level to solar system imo
why is this a discussion sitama is is high galaxy level and naruto is planet level sitama with one punch alliterated a galaxy naruto can not even match that in eney fusion
the LN isn't canon if it was naruto would be solar system level to universal+ because of momoshiki threating to destroy the solar system and he made a parallel universe
@@sme7893 It's canon lol. Also the universe statement would just be a mistranslation. But no we know for a literal fact they are because Kishimoto was involved with them and they are included in the canon timeline so if you insist they are not then you have to show evidence to back up your burden.
No Naruto saw the attack coming from right in front of him and if you believe that then so was luffy he was said to have haki. Which makes so of luffy light speed feats null in void
@@bentrye Well if you actually read/watched the series you'd seen it was point blank in his face before he did. Also Naruto quite literally dodged it regardless so it doesn't matter if he has precog he still is comparable. We can debate him being ftl drop your discord.
Bruh this isn't even a fight. We're putting a guy who can't even destroy a planet against a guy who can wipe a galaxy with one punch with zero effort. The better matchup should be with Flashy flash vs Naruto
Are you insane Naruto fought kaguya who is above madara. You also didn't debunk the raikage feat which would be ftl for Naruto because he dodge the raikage fastest punch and the sage art light is light speed because madara wasn't at full power he still had one eye and he performed a planetary feats with just his one eye. Later getting stronger after getting his second and third eye. He then was almost one shot by so6p naruto. Naruto is now at least 5 times planetary and ftl+ since he also blitz madara. Kaguya is the first to show star level feat but Naruto needed help to win so he still only large planetary and ftl+. Naruto then fights and one shot tonari making Naruto going by vs battle rules 7.5 times stronger then tonari at full power. Momoshiki has a star level feat in the canon novels of him destroying a star and causing a Supernova . so kaguya has a star level feat and so does a weaker momoshiki. Naruto would have beat that weaker momoshiki easily if not for him trying to save the village. This is proven by him while weaken still winning in the fight and if Naruto was able to use ninjustu he would have won even sooner. Momoshiki had to eat kinshiki to be able to fight a weaken Naruto and sasuke with the kages.the k ages by the way being far weaker then Naruto was pushing kinshiki. More proof Naruto is above base momoshiki who is star level. Then that stronger momoshiki still couldn't beat Naruto or sasuke but he did one shot the other kage. Making him 7.5 times stronger then them. Momoshiki would have lost if the professor didn't feed him more chakra. Naruto later toys with delta letting her hurt him so that he could get information out of her. Meaning to Naruto she wasn't a threat. He later gets body by jigan who later becomes even stronger when he shows himself to be Isshiki and continues to body naruto. Naruto gets baryon mode and starts to dog walk Isshiki who was just blitzing him and now Naruto is blitzing. Naruto being large star is not far fetch and his is also hundreds of times light speed. Extra don't ever give Naruto infinite chakra because this is how I can tell you don't know shit about Naruto is that they use chakra to boost their physical state. Meaning Naruto would have infinite speed and be universal being able to one shot saitama.
@@depryturtl3750 no he doesn't. His best feat is star level the otosuki are star level kaguya who is the weakest is star level come back when saitama hit solar system so he can go up against jigan.
i dont think that there is any statement that the stars from naruto are as big as the moon plus momoshiki liteaurly in the ln wich is cannon obsorved a supernova(base) and we know 4 a fact that naruto is 100 times stronger than momoshiki(fused) other than that i agree with everything
Saitama hold an entire hyperspace (5D feats) while fighting a Cosmic Garou and the creator Saitama also destroyed 900,000,000,000 Galaxies and Trillions of stars by moving his fist That only happens in the manga not anime
@@pbggamingyt376 nice lies. saitama closed a portal, he didnt hold a hyperspace. he destroyed around 50 stars when fighting cosmic garou. lmao just stop lying. even if he actually did that naruto still slams
Read the new chapter. Saitama completely removed his limiter, so he has an infinite reserve of power, He eventually adapted to the point where he effortlessly One-Shot Cosmic Garou. Garou attempted to copy Saitama's power, but Saitama can always exert more power endlessly whenever he needs to, so even when Garou copied his power, saitama could still tap into more of his own power to oneshot garou.
The haku thing is pretty consistent, I'm not saying it's true because that was the English translation but kakashi said that haku was stronger than him and kakashi is on the level of a kage and for madara, it's talking about the jutsu not madara himself atleast I don't think it did
Even baryon mode is not enough to defeat Saitama. Boros's ultimate attack was clearly stronger than Naruto's Baryon Mode. It was powerful to launch Saitama to the moon, but it hardly did any damage. In comparison, the Baryon Mode will hardly do any damage.
Saitama has already hit himself (technically) so it wouldnt work, hope u realise saitama punches arent even his full power at all, its not gonna end him
Bro one of these days these Naruto fans are going to say Naruto slams Goku huhhh I done heard that madura universal if that was the case then he could beat cell from dragon ball like bro you know how stupid you gotta be to ignore the facts and just say Naruto wins. Like y'all gotta use data books to state a point and if that doesn't work y'all write these long paragraphs stating how you're right when all we have to do is use the anime and manga to dupunk your stuff then when y'all know y'all lost y'all like oh I'ma just talk about you're family see how you feel. At that point just get off the internet and play with you're friends and keep you're opinion to you're self. And y'all smart as hell y'all use all this math just to state a point knowing that it's pointless all that intelligence going to waste it's disappointing. And then y'all treat power scaling as an profession like it's not a job you don't get paid doing that if you do congratulations. Like all this mulf and he's ul like what is that supposed to mean you think I know all of that it's not that serious.
Garou and Saitama are galaxy level at least, and Garou could shake the universe I believe. A serious punch generates enough energy to vaporize an entire star system which consists of hundreds of solar systems 😗
@@4nnd711 It does lol we can debate with a judge drop your discord. You don't even know logical fallacies lmfao. Also making up words? Not a single word in that was made up tf are you on lol.
I am sorry but momoshiki is not more powerful than kaguya. Kaguya are the divine fruit she had chacra to fight for three months we know if she wanted to killed Naruto and Sasuke she could of easily.
Yh i dropped it as well, apparently he fights universal beings or something, anyways opm verse just gonna get better feats, like between 3-5' chapters it went from planetary to Star to solar system +/ low galaxy 😂💀
even the strongest one piece character is star level. like u said naruto earth is small compared to one piece which bigger than our sun and wb has power to the destroy op earth. my point is naruto is not that strong.
ti high ball saitama boroses atack was galexy lvl bc collapsing star and that makes black hole and black hole is the center of most big galexys and holds them together so larg galexy level or u could say black hole lvl for ap and for speed to many times faster than light bc of math i did based of of the punch in the latest manga chapter blach blach blah just to many zeros to count on 4 hands thats all i gotta say
Bro reposts every video he does at least 3 times before it actually works 💀
It's hilarious how people always try so hard to make characters like Saitama lose .
Funny that yall niggas think Saitama beats everyone.
True
Fax
Fore real 😂
Naruto can actually beat Saitama
A fairer fight would be genos vs naruto💀
Not really Because genos would get blitz in a sense. I got genos to around planetary being able to kill all 5 demon cyborgs which all 5 = a weaker orouchi
@@ZenRaigo genos is equal to and completely able to clash and overpower phykosorochis beam which has been calced to small planetary but since phykosorochi is an Amp of regular orochi who is calced at large planetary I got genos at planet-large planetary and since he can generally keep up with the mid tiers in the verse I'd say he's a few times ftl (this a lowball and you can easily get him to 100s of times ftl as he can keep up with speed of sound sonic who blitz flashy flash who was a part of the 256x ftl light structure thats used to scale garou)naruto on the other hand is barely ftl and I've seen several people debunk him below ftl he has the ap advantage but that's why I said it would be a fairer fight naruto would not be able yo blitz genos at all though
And don't give me shit like he's called speed of sound sonic because he can only go that fast when he can legit perception blitz other mid tier characters in the verse easily
@@kyoudc2751 Actually, both Psykorochi and Orochi are calced at Multi continental lol
@@kyoudc2751 'speed of sound sonic' is no way near flashy flash are you drunk
Saitama solos the whole verse
😂👌
New chap from opm😭😭 Saitama embarrassingly solos the verse
@@only_dream_is_2d i think its his brother
Saitama gets blitzed, statstomped, and hax stomped
Goku stomps
@@ClairvoyantDreams358 Saitama speed blitzes and one shots. Saitama actually has MFTL+ feats like destroying a cluster of stars or landing on IO on the moon of Jupiter and was able to move insanely fast on the flouting rocks which is bigger then the moon since it expanded outwards so yeah I used to think Naruto wins but not anymore so stop talking and embarrassing yourself
cap
Bro a serious sneeze solos the whole verse
damn everyone hates my boy saitama
true
opm was the first anime i watched and after seeing his 1 episode i was forced from inside to do some pushups
@laksh pps Lmao Saitama is currently the most downplayed character in the debating community 🤡🤡🤡🤡.
@laksh pps No he isn't, he can beat Goku and solo your favorite verse
@laksh pps 🤡🤡🤡
Anyone who actually believe saitama loses to naruto you actually have brain damage
Naruto downplayer.
@@Kryptic_sx no its just a fact he ain't beating someone that can shatter stars with just the force of a punch
@@hororangihika8449 Naruto has fought and beat opponents that have destroyed solar sytems.
@@Kryptic_sx saitama has destroyed galaxies and multiple stars in a punch (at least its implied so)
he took a few scratches from a gamma ray burst (the strongest and most powerful phenomenon in the universe)
as seen in the vid, MFTL speed, and also he has interacted with hyperspace portals, a 4d feat.
all ignoring the fact that he will get exponentially stronger throughout the fight and suprass naruto no matter what he does
saitama claps, no questions asked
@@nosyweird2972 🤣
In the latest chapter that came out yesterday, Saitama's sneeze destroyed the surface of Jupiter and exposed it's core, which has a gravitational force 7x greater than Earth. Meaning Saitama's sneeze could literally destroy the Earth with ease!
So the entire Naruto verse could come at Saitama at once, and still wouldn't even phase him. Naruto by himself gets dunked on. And Sasuke couldn't even open a portal and trap Saitama in there, because we know Saitama can interact with 4th Dimensional portals now, and kick them away like they're soccer balls!
Also. Garou also taught Saitama how to use the energy of the cosmos, and thus the ability to reverse time at his leisure, as we saw him do in the most recent chapter. So Saitama is absolutely broken at this point in time, and he still hasn't even remotely used his full power, nor has he even taken any damage.
You forgot to say that since saitama completely broke his limiter, he can pretty much use infinite power as confirmed in the latest chapter. Garou tried to copy saitama's power, but saitama's power was growing exponentially mid battle to the point garou stated that saitama would eventually adapt to a level where he can one-shot garou. He pretty much has an infinite reserve of power, can use it whenever he needs to.
and because garou never truly broke his limiter, he will NEVER beat saitama, it's absolutely impossible.
he can copy saitama's power all he wants to, but saitama will always have enough power to oneshot him
@@4nnd711 not only that, but Saitama has already said that he would never lose to himself from yesterday, the Saitama we saw do all those insane feats will still get one shot by the Saitama that wakes up tomorrow
But if saitama destroys the earth he also dies cuz he needs air
Saitama deflected Boros's attack killed boros and cut the clouds into half with the shock waves of his punch which is already planetary cause he did all of this just with his shock waves. So if he uses consecutive serious punches it can be way more powerful. While none of naruto's jutsus are capable of destroying a planet. The explosion that one of naruto's strongest moves the tailed beast rasen shuriken created was nothing in front of the one that Saitama created with his single punch. And in baryon mode naruto uses his rasengan and all he could do was yeet ishiki on a small distance. While boros's kick yeeted Saitama from moon to earth in a second. Boros's kick was way stronger. And in the manga Saitama kept up with flashy flash just by jogging. That means Saitama can jog faster than light.
Hahahahah Pal it is useless to debate in this SITE considering that this SITE is dedicated to NARUTO FANS but if you want to debate with THEM regarding FEATS just mention the SAITAMA VS GOD MANGA FEATS that should be ENOUGH EVIDENCE regarding saitama's TRUE POWER or in short SAITAMA REMOVED HIS LIMITER while NARUTO HAS MEASURABLE LIMITS
@@spardalikey4154 bro thats not even canon 💀
Saitama vs god manga wasn't canon. But if anyone want to know how durable Saitama is just see the latest manga chapter.
He took a a direct hit from garou's most powerful attack that when on impact was able to move Earth from its course.
@@spardalikey4154 have u not read the latest one punch manga lol?
@Francis Lacap True it may have not been canon but it may have had been canon if you just think of how it was stated in the canon that SAITAMA REMOVE HIS LIMITER, to begin with the NOT CANON SAITAMA VS GOD MANGA was just a reference of WHAT COULD HAD BEEN if saitama faced god level threat of such level where if he was forced to fight a REAL PLANETARY/UNIVERSAL level opponent then SAITAMA can definitely showcase such level of power EVEN IF IT WAS IN THE CANON
Sitama can literally flick and end the entire naruto universe
Proof
If you naruto is so great proof it
How is naruto going to win against sitama
🤣🤣🤣🤣 sitama just need to touch him and naruto is done
@Bearded dragon 🐉 scales did you not watch the video? He explains how much faster Saitama is than Naruto
Saitama sneeze is enough for the whole Verse
He is a gag. His gag is that he can one punch anyone/anything and he is also invincible. Him being a gag would immediately make him the winner.
Proof:
One Punch Man is a gag manga:
(Sugoi Japan interview with ONE and Murata) (Edit 2)(Edit 3)
(Question) What led you to begin drawing a web comic?
(Answer) How long have you wanted to be a manga artist? ONE: I had decided I wanted to be a gag manga artist from the time I was in grade school. I was a fan of Crayon Shin-chan, and at the time I wanted to draw that sort of manga. For me it wasn’t a case of simply trying to be a manga artist and testing the waters to see if it was worth a shot. Rather, my thought process was to decide right off the bat that I was going to be one, so the rest was just a matter of effort. I guess that’s how I decided my whole future while still just a kid.
2. Saitama was created to be invincible:
- (ONE Interview from 2012)(Edit 4)(Edit 5)
(Question) When Saitama always finishes off enemies in one punch it's really exhilarating and feels good, but on the other hand, isn't it hard to make a new kind of development that still ends in the punch every time? Is there something that you keep in mind when you're creating these plots?
(Answer): To be honest, I never actually thought this was hard..... It was when someone else pointed this out to me when I realized for the first time, "Is this setting too hard for me to continue with?" But in the end, even to this day I hadn't thought that writing the plot was hard. Thinking of a plot that involved a lot of thinking and cleverness for the main character to get over any obstacle requires a lot of experience and knowledge, so I think it's a bit too hard for me. In Saitama's case, all I have to do is have him show up to punch the problem away so I don't have to think too much about it. In the world Saitama lives in, monsters show up frequently, so he gets to utilize his strength to the fullest, so I can feel comfortable making my plot. If anything happens, I can always count on Saitama. The story will be interesting as long as he's on the move. The difficulties Saitama encounters are for the most part really common problems like making it to the next supermarket sale, and since I solve these problems myself, it's easy to write about them. The only hard part is to make his allies seem not too weak.
3. Saitama is strong for gag purposes:
Hmmmm..... he's the title character..... when he first appeared there didn't seem to be any other long running characters, even until the Garou arc he did most of the jokes, many of them by mocking overly dramatic villains and oneshotting them.... Really? Is someone so determined to prove the opposite, that's a perfectly logical overopowered action hero? (Edit 1)
4. Conlusion:
Edit 1: Limiter, even if it is confirmed for Saitama (which it hasn't), doesn't make his power completely logical or take away the fact it is used as a joke far too often to be a standard plot element.
Edit 2: Interviews taken from onepunchman.wikia.com/wiki/Interviews
Edit 3: If someone cites the actual dictionary definition to say Saitama is no gag character, he is ruling out Bugs Bunny, Popeye, Arale, and Squirrel Girl, plus any popularly acclaimed gag character that is the main character, has a personality, and a variety of jokes. Just understand that line of arguement means there are basically no gag characters in fiction, making it a useless definition.
Edit 4: Yes, Saitama and the OPM series has become much more serious, philosophic, and meaningful than a simple gag, but that doesn't contradict them being both.
Edit 5: It doesn't take any intelligence, scientific knowledge, or writing skill to make an invincible character. Any five year old can say "My hero is invincible, can't lose, and beats everyone." Even if yoy somehow figured out a possible loophole in their power, they could just add statements cementing their intention: an invincible character.
Facts, also, Saitama has limitless power.
Ye because he removed his limiter. But some people will say he has inf potential ima debunk it.
Author said that he put saitama in peak condition.
Meaning inf potential + peak = inf str speed etc.
Author said
He’s strong enough to one shot anyone in his own verse. Being the strongest in his own Universe doesn’t mean he’s the strongest character in all of fiction.
Why didnt he one punch boros then?
@@Kryptic_sx please tell me you’re joking.
Sneezes...destroys Jupiter...
I can still get Naruto higher than that. Plus that ain't even Saitama's best feat smh.
@@cacenflowers927 his best feat was being unbound by reversal of casuality aka outerversal.
Saitama tanked a gamma ray blast from garou now without a single scratch
Homeless Emperor would hold his own against Naruto LOL
I don’t think so, I’ve never watched naruto, but homeless emporor is only human speed and durability, so I guess naruto can move his hands wierd and win
@@loganbair9562 yes he is an average actually out of shape human but his light powers protect him from attacks he can't react to, Zombie man had a gun hidden in his freaking chest that fired on it own and one of HE 's ligjt spheres protected him, also he has the protection of a god!
This didn't age well saitama slaps now
Saitama solos naruto neg difficultly
@laksh pps he is right lmao
@laksh pps he is right
Not even a debate, plus lots of opm characters solo Naruto vers
nope, if you watch naruto would know that naruto easily solos opm in base
@@animeisbadngl 🤡
anyone who thinks that naruto beats saitama, allow me to school you, in season 1 episode 11 of one punch man, saitama confronts geryuganshoop (Boros' Henchman) and he alters the gravitational pull of the ship's control room to that of a Black Hole, which if you didnt know is 1.6 trillion (1,600,000,000,000) times earths gravity, yet saitama was just chilling and picking his nose, now saitama weighs 70kg, meaning under this many Gs, saitama would weigh 11.2 trillion kilograms (11,200,000,000,000kg) yet he is comfortably and effortlessly standing there withstanding all of this, on top of all this, your arm makes up an average of 5% of your total body mass, meaning one of saitama's arms under this many Gs would weigh 560 billion kilograms (560,000,000,000kg) or 560 million tons (560,000,000T)... JUST ONE OF HIS ARMS UNDER THIS MANY Gs WEIGHS 560 FUCKING MILLION TONS... AND HE LIFTED IT UP TO HIS HEAD LIKE IT WAS THE LIGHTEST WEIGHT IN YOUR LOCAL GYM... how in the world people say naruto beats saitama i will never know, someone literally calculated the energy it would require to blow off half of jupiter down to the core, and it is enough energy to completely evicerate earth and send the debris to the other end of the cosmos 90x over, AND SAITAMA DID THAT WITH A FUCKING SNEEZE! MY GUY FARTED HIMSELF LITERAL HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IN A COUPLE OF SECONDS LIKE... WITH JUST HIS BOWELS... naruto doesnt win in any scenario you narutards can come up with, accept it
While this is a valid feat but I have to correct you there is no absalute black home mass then can come anyway in size from the size of a particle (primordial black whole) to 16 times the size of our solar system (ton 618 a ultra massiv black whole) but the average black whole is about 4 solar masses and the mass of the sun is about 333 000 times the earths so you multiply that times 4 and it 1.3 million times the mass of earth im not doing any more math but you get the point however still a very good point to bring up
Alright, so there are so many things here that you missed out on Naruto or get wrong, here it is=
*1.* You don't seem to understand in the databook statement that Haku ONLY move between the mirrors at the speed of light, it doesn't mean that his combat speed or travel speed is lightspeed, it's literally just talking about him switching from mirror to mirror.
*2.* No, the Stars in Kaguya and Momoshiki's dimension is absolutely real because they were outright stated to be "parallel dimensions", the word parallel means that it's similar to another so it does mimic the real thing. The Sun that we saw in The Last is just an artificial Sun at the centre of the Moon created by the Tenseigan and it's actually just a barrier that has many important sites in it such as Hamura's shrine, the Tenseigan itself, and a castle where Toneri lives. There's also the Uni meta for Naruto, but i won't use that here since i know most people would find that hard to believe, so i'll just stick to the basic belief which is Solar System level.
*3.* In the Sasuke Retsuden Novel, Hagoromo consigned half of a meteorite into another constellation. We’re not given an exact time frame, but we can say for sure it took less than a year for Hagoromo to do so since he was dying and wanted to hide the other half of the meteorite. The distance of the nearest Star is 4.244 light-years away. It's safe to assume that it would take 1 day or at the very least a week for Hagoromo to do the feat considering that he would need water to survive and how he was also in the back tail of his life at this point. This would mean Hagoromo's speed is 1.000+ times faster than light. We all know that Naruto has far surpassed Hagoromo, so his speed would be way higher than that.
Ah yes so Naruto with one tail as a kid, is the same speed as himself as a teen, makes sense
@@kaitofv What do you mean? Since when have i said anything close to "kid Naruto is lightspeed" in here?
@@dorkknight6295 is that a 1000 plus light speed you say
Eveything you just said still doesn’t get him to beat saitama, but W feats
@@tuwito7184 I'm curious as to why you think that.
saitama sneezes the verse away
Saitama solos the verse
People literally live for low balling saitama
To be honest, this comparison is utter nonsense. Its like comparing Zeno to Goku.
All these toxic biased fans just wants to make it a valid debate but its not. After the new chapters, Saitama even surpassed Goku then what is Naruto gonna do?
He's never surpassed Goku and I could slap you in a debate about that if you want.
Have you seen the infinite Tsukuyoki scale from Noodles that somehow gets Naruto to multiversal 💀💀
It’s so wanky cause it’s a dream world but he states it as every world as a real world but the proof is not really there to back it up
Got debunked😇
U wish. That shit was good in 2019
You can get Naruto to low multiversal to multiversal in many ways and get Naruto to mftl
@@Kingumball as i said got debunked🤭
naruto dont have inf energy to be higher than uni+
jus wait till saitama uses his full power… naruto will be like a bug to him lol
Naruto wouldn’t be able to fight him most likely he would be fighting ichigo or even goku
Naruto still has outhaxes 😮💨
@@oladoyinabitogun3280 not goku but maybe ichigo
@@sme7893 aight then
@@sme7893 bruh we have not seen Saitama's powers so that means he could be stronger than Goku, i am not saying that he is but still, he is limit breaker that means he has no limits so if talk about that Saitama could be stronger than Goku
bro garou solos naruto neg diff
i agree with most of this and Saitama def wins, but Saitama's dura neg resistance isn't nearly as broken as Cluck is making it out to be. For example, if TOAA were to use existence erasure on Saitama then it just wouldn't work by this logic, granted he wouldn't need to use any hax to begin with but that's besides the point, Saitama's 'dura neg' feat is just an attack from Garou that attacks the inside of Saitama's body which shares the same level of durability as the outside so if garou's punch from the outside wouldn't hurt Saitama, then a punch on the inside wouldn't hurt him either, all in all love ur vids keep up the grind brother
When he means durability neg it means only physical stuff exists erase isn’t really physical tbh
Durability Negation isn't the same as Existence Erasure 🗿
@@PequenoWiltord I know that, but there are still forms of durability negation that Saitama can’t be resistant to like Gojo’s durability negation, and saying that he is would just be a no limits fallacy
I don't think any type of damage would affect him, since he's made to be completely invinsible. He's eventually going to fight god, and we'll probably see some crazy hax from him.
@@AJ-ry8qd that’s a no limits fallacy, assuming that he’s just stronger without any actual proof to back up your statement, and you can’t use plot in a vs battle it defeats the purpose, you could easily just say “oh this character has this kind of plot armor to one shot anyone therefore he beats everyone.” Which isn’t true due to the plot being a thing created by the author and not a byproduct of the actual characters powers
Please show me one thing Naruto has over Saitama. First, lemme go down the line of things Saitama has done. Sneezed and blew up Jupiter casually. Farted from the sun to earth in the matter of seconds. It takes 8 minutes for light to travel to earth, and Saitama did it within seconds with a fart, not even him giving it his all. And when he did this, he wasn’t even serious, he was toying around with garou, so it wasn’t even his peak. The brother picked up the crust of a moon and destroyed it with the flick of the wrist and moved so fast around it that he put it back together with the sheer force of his movement.
Before Saitama even got to Jupiter’s moon, Saitama and Garou clashed fists, which resulted in numerous solar systems being destroyed instantly. That was just the energy from their punches, not even the full force. And instantly, solar systems were wiped out. When they first got to the moon, Saitama was fighting seriously. He was giving it his all, but he has an ability that instantly puts him over any of his opponents. He had the ability to grow infinitely and exponentially, growing way beyond his previous limit in the matter of seconds. Every punch gets stronger with the next, and after a few minutes of fighting, Saitama wasn’t even taking the fight seriously. He was toying around like he usually does with his enemies as he was casually sneezing Jupiter away. He farted from the sun to earth in seconds. And he wasn’t even going all out at this point.
Even after all of this, Saitama still hasn’t reached his full prime. Garou taught Saitama all of his techniques, meaning that Saitama can do anything Garou could. By just watching, Saitama mastered all of Garou’s techniques in ways Garou couldn’t and used it to time travel. So now, Saitama can basically time travel. When he did go back in the past, Saitama merged with his current self, becoming one whole Saitama. So not only did Saitama have all of his new gained strength along with Garou’s, but he merged with his past self, multiplying his power even more. Might I add that all of this happened without Saitama taking a single scratch of damage. Saitama never got tired or warn out, he wasn’t fighting desperately on his last legs, he was just being Saitama. If Naruto even attempted to replicate these feats, which he can’t, he’d be on his last legs fighting desperately.
And if you wanna wank, which y’all like to do, 169 confirmed Saitama can’t lose. Again, this is wank, but since y’all love doing it, might as well do what y’all do. Genos was able to see everything that transpired that Saitama forgot. When he broke it down, he believed that no matter what, there isn’t a timeline that Saitama loses, and the universe will always correct itself so that Saitama wins under any circumstance. There you go. There is absolutely nothing that Naruto has over Saitama
So we are just gonna ignore the fact that Naruto has beat characters who create multiple parallel universes? Seriously what the fuck
@@davidhendersonii221 1. This comment is a year old
2. That doesn’t equate to durability
we gonna need a rework with saitama. not cause he lost. cause he got stronger
Saitama sees marketing sale 50% off naruto💀
y is this a debate saitama destroys
Vaccine man destroys 25% of the verse
(This is bait)
Naruto highballed is actually universal with immeasurable speed since it was stated that Kaguya was going to destroy a time space and recreate it with her TSO, and Isshiki is able to move through a dimension that has no time in it. The midball for Naruto is easily solar system+ and MFTL because Base Momoshiki was capable of absorbing stars and planets yet was struggling to absorb even half of Naruto's chakra and still was getting stomped by Naruto even after absorbing kinshiki, and Kid Sasuke with his one tomoe sharingan was able to react to Haku's lightspeed attack with his HYPERSONIC speed and yet Adult Sasuke, who has an eternal Mankenkyo Sharingan, a Tomoe Rinnegan, and FTL reaction speed, couldn't even perceive Isshiki's chakra rods but Baryon mode Naruto was casually catching them like nothing.
Personally, I think Saitama is a bit wanked by some of his fans especially those who think he was made to somehow one punch all of fiction but honestly I think Naruto has the advantage of overall power, skill, and speed, but I think Saitama is durable enough for his emotions and potential to kick in and eventually overwhelm Naruto unless he uses the TSOs before Saitama could get going.
It just blows my mind how much Naruto gets overblown. Universe level? That is hilarious. Same with trying to say Naruto is even approaching lightspeed is just hilarious.
If Naruto was anywhere near universal level, a single flick of his without any power ups should be able to obliterate the planet and the solar system.
Same with lightspeed. That would mean Naruto could travel anywhere in the continent within a second. Even when people try to say they don't mean movement speed, but reflex, that is still straight up kappa.
I'm just reminded of Naruto being trapped in a tree. And then see people trying to claim he is planetary level 😂 dude at most is continent level if I'm being generous, but most likely large mountain. The end of shippuden with Naruto and sasuke going all out against each other just roughs up the area within like a kilometer, but I'm expected to believe that he has the power to destroy the planet? 🧐
@@JBPVFLahh yes the appeal to reality fallacy, Naruto is multiversal at best and universal at least. Momoshiki has pocket universes that he drains chakra from
@@davidhendersonii221 draining chakra from something is different from having a blast that can blow away the universes. And yes, you have to appeal to reality when you are attempting to extract characters from their universe and have them face others from different shows.
There are a lot of descriptors in anime, like fast as lightning, quick as the wind, strong as a mountain that don't always mean it in the literal sense. Nor when you see lasers of any kind are you supposed to think if anyone can dodge them they are now lightspeed. Looking at star wars is the perfect example.
So many fans of the show take everything at face value and it just makes the entire show make 0 sense. It takes the characters days if not weeks to get to other villages. If any character was even approaching light speed with reflexes or otherwise, they could get to any village on the continent within a second or 2. Same with if any of them were actual multiversal (😂) as you put it would threaten to destroy all of the planet every time they fought. Do you even know the scale you are trying to place them on? That would make them well above even the saiyans in dbz, who are sent as kids to turn into oozaru to destroy planets. Sorry, but no one in Naruto is even approaching anyone in dragonball near the end
Saitama broke his limiter giving him infinite strength meaning the only way Naruto could even have draw is by also having infinite strength which he does not have so Saitama would erase mans with ease
Saitama also doesn't have infinite strength no where but head canon is he infinite in power
@@eddieboston6540 🤡
@@Lowerc09Se who are you come to save your lover from this getting them cheeks clap
@@eddieboston6540 Bro in what universe does saitama loses this fact fight
@@eddieboston6540 new chap. gauros words himself "HE has infinite strength" this is a gauro with knowledge of the entire universe. and for ref. naruto cut a hollow moon inhalf. sitama with one hand grabbed a larger moon and ripped it apart. with no difficulty. ONE. HANDED
Six Paths version is stronger than Baryon Furryon Nerfyon version. Truth seeking orbs destroy the matter at conctact, like Onoki Particle art style. So if Saitama try to punch them can happen only two things: 1) his arm being dismantle. 2) he punch them away because broken gag no limit character.
most likely he'll punch it away or hold it and throw it like what he did to garou portals
Sup cluck, there is another way of getting naruto’s speed that gets him above saitama as a lowball.
In Naruto we know that physical capabilities like durability strength or speed are in direct correlation with the amount chakra one has, this has been both shown and stated multiple times (kurama chakra, eight gates, Sakura’s and tsunade’s seal etc).
The argument is as follows: we know that kakashi as a kid was at least the speed of lighting (seeing as he cut one in half). The speed of lighting is around 3000 times slower than the speed of light, so we just need to find out around how much more chakra does adult baryon mode Naruto has than kid kakashi to get his speed.
Naruto with half the nine tails and after fighting for an entire day, had enough chakra to power the shinobi alliance by three times the chakra of war arc kakashi. Now when we first saw kakashi in the land of waves (way stronger than kid kakashi), he could only use the sharingan for a few minutes and then a week in bed because of the consumption of chakra. War arc kakashi was able to use dosens of Chidoris, plus constant use of the mangekyo, so only by that you could argue that he has thousands of times more chakra than his kid self. (The calcs done by the community put it at thousands of times at least).
So war arc kakashi would already be fast AF, but let’s say that he has the same chakra as his kid self. Then Naruto powers the shinobi alliance by three times that kakashis chakra, now in the alliance there where 80 thousands ninjas, of which none suffered major casualties except for garaas division. Which died completely. Let’s say for the sake of argument that another whole division died combining the others casualties, then you would have 40 thousand ninjas buffed by 3 times the chakra of war arc kakashi. 3x40,000 is 120,000, (remember we only needed 300 to get to light speed). That didn’t even phase kurama total chakra, let’s be generous and say that that costed him half of his chakra, that would mean that kurama has double that, 240,000. Then that is just half of kurama (other half in minato) 480,000, this is without factoring in naruto’s own chakra.Then we get to the six paths buff, in order to get that one we know that it got him to be relative if not superior to ten tails Madara with one rinnegan.
So let’s see how powerful one eye rinnegan ten tails Madara is: Let’s say that Madaras base is the same as base kurama, which is a lowball. So 480,000. Then let’s massively lowball both the rinnegan buff (which made him able to beat all tailed beast including kurama 0 diff) and the ten tails buff (all tailed beast combined), and say that each one of those only amped him by the power of kurama. That would get that Madara to 1,440,000. Then he absorbs the world tree in panic against base Naruto (lest lowball again and say the world tree is a kurama lvl buff) so 1,920,000. And that madara only then matches Naruto. Right there we know that Six paths Naruto is AT LEAST 1,920,000 times faster than kid kakashi, we divide that by 3000 to get a rough estimate of times ftl and we get 640 of times faster than light.
Remember, that is TEEN naruto, as you said he gets hundreds of times stronger, as he then proceeds to fight kaguya which is much stronger than Madara, then one shots toneri, who was stated to be a threat like kaguya, then beat fused momoshiki with half his chakra and no jutsus. Then gets stomped by jigen, then jigen gets a buff and becomes ishiki and Naruto in baryon mode fodderizes that ishiki. Th power creep from what we called with six paths Naruto to baryon mode is insane. Naruto in baryon mode should be comfortably thousands of times ftl. I could do the calc more exact but you get the point
Take into the account that my calc is the bare minimum for how much more chakra Naruto has, to ridiculous degrees like equalizing the ten tails and nine tails chakra or saying that war arch kakashi and kid kakashi have the same amount of chakra…
This is also not inconsistent with some lines of scaling like the raikage being ftl according to the data books, or orochimaru dodging photons in the novels. Or base hokage Naruto also dodging both photons and deltas laser point blank.
Please let me know what do you think of this calc (and take into account you could use a similar calc to get his AP and durability)
Thanks for coming to my Ted talk :)
Bro, no 🤣
There's absolutely no way Naruto is even MFTL, let alone MFTL+ 🤣
naruto > saitama
@@PequenoWiltord my calc is consistent with some lines of scaling like orochimaru dodging photons in the novels, the raikage being ftl, or mina to being ftl. It’s also consistent with some later feats like Naruto dodging lasers or the light fang feat. My calc is also a massive lowball. So, please tell me why my calc is wrong, I’ll wait.
@@hadouken_flip how 🙃🙃
This would be fairly inconsistent, seeing as Naruto’s best feat as a teen was dodging the light fang, which even if you say it’s as the name implies, it’d put Naruto 2x sol at most, everything else is essentially unquantifiable and based off of assumptions. Another thing is physical amps from chakra isn’t linear, Tsunade had the highest AP out of the kage in the War Arc, yet the Raikage was faster, as Tsunade focused her chakra into strength, and Raikage focused into speed. The whole argument here is based off of assumptions.
Never knew that stars in Naruto can be smaller than the moon
They aren't that star was fake and even if it was real it's just one but we have multiple other star being bigger then the moon.
They are not lol the actual series has zero evidence of it.
@@eddieboston6540 The star in the moon yeah but the ones in Kaguya dimension was not.
@@cacenflowers927 proof
@@eddieboston6540 Actually seeing how you made the claim it's your burden to prove. But if you want we can debate with a judge drop your discord 😁
Is the Saitama scale to multi Solar system level still valid?
I think he is around uni or uni+ but he could go higher now that he is about to fight God garou.
@@scyth5586 wut😨😨😨 universal?he's not even galaxy
@@RandomGuy-hx7cm I was bugging. I saw someone say that and I believed it. I think your right.
Yh its still valid hes solar system + to low galaxy atm and we'll just be getting better and better feats
lmao this people lowball saitama as if he's not capable of destroying galaxy or universe just because they need to see that feat drawn in manga😂
assholes, goku never destroyed galaxy and universe, if u gonna use beerus and goku clashing their fist together its not a feat of being Universal too since they didnt destroy the universe instead they did destroy few planets and yet they didnt destroy the earth?
goku cant survivors vacuum of space and saitama did that while holding his breath and speaking.
naruto is crap, stop that bs mft+ of him coz he never did the same feat saitama did, baryon mode is the strongest form he have right? compared to saitama and garou fight in space which one cause more damage? which one is faster? which one is stronger?
So we are just gonna ignore the fact that Naruto has beat characters who create multiple parallel universes? Seriously what the fuck
No Naruto characters have made a dimension
The dimension stated to be parallel dimension/parallel universe Boruto episode 24 at 14.10(ig) and shown to have multiple stars @@Espurr.8
@@Espurr.8 maybe you only watch opm but kaguya has created dimension with all the chakra she get from human(infinite tsukuyomi) but i dnt see naruto at universal lvl maybe multi solar sys wih ftl+ at best
saitama only grow exponential only via intense emotion his growth is nothing impressive but still huge ,potentially galaxy with mlft
@@African-AmericanGoose I believe she can only travel there because of the fruit
That's hax like domain expansion. She's just city lvl outside her dimension
@@African-AmericanGoose
Naruto is multiversal.. bro should see momoshiki dimensions, plus galaxy lvl is saitamas peak
@ZeakYTrefute it
Bro saitama blitzing naruto???!!!
Just say saitama solo Naruto yep finish the video
Saitama doesn't have durability negation, he just have durable organs, dude just read the scan
Do luffy v naruto
make an updated video to this😂😂😂 id love to see it now, even tho saitama literally hasnt gotten any stronger he just decided to use more power
Bro is this even a proper debate
Saitama >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Naruto
Simple af
Fr fr useless vid nd alot of misses nd useless infos
Fax
So sos osososososososo true
Nope
@@fred9515 how do?
Can you make a video about Toaa vs Lucifer plz
isshiki is way stronger than kaguya the same kaguya who has stars in her dimensions also momoshiki has stars in his dimensions as well and isshiki scales way higher than them and baryon mode scales higher than isshiki so in a high ball baryon mode naruto should scale around solar system+ high balling
Nobody said Isshiki isn't stronger than Kaguya☠️🤡
@@jojov1nce504 my bad I was trying to say that isshiki should be at least star level because he is leagues above kaguya and she has stars in her dimension and baryon mode naruto is way stronger than isshiki so he should be at least star level to solar system imo
What size are those stars? Because those stars are even smaller than the moon 🗿
@@PequenoWiltordwhere's your proof?
@@lvci5845 Thundercluck literally mentions that in the video. Did you even watch it? 🤣 Are you able to tell us how big those stars are?
why is this a discussion sitama is is high galaxy level and naruto is planet level sitama with one punch alliterated a galaxy naruto can not even match that in eney fusion
I think naruto can be scale to star level by light novel momoshiki feat and speed by sick naruto who dodge photom
the LN isn't canon if it was naruto would be solar system level to universal+ because of momoshiki threating to destroy the solar system and he made a parallel universe
And how fast was “phantom?”
@@Rck-vert light speed and it was perform by sick adult naruto
@@sme7893 It's canon lol. Also the universe statement would just be a mistranslation. But no we know for a literal fact they are because Kishimoto was involved with them and they are included in the canon timeline so if you insist they are not then you have to show evidence to back up your burden.
Naruto only dodged Madara’s beam bc of pre cognition
Pre cog means he was able to react to it before it happened so he wouldn’t need to be ftl for something he’s Alr dogding
@FatherWesson are u slow are did u not understand what he just said about pre cog
No Naruto saw the attack coming from right in front of him and if you believe that then so was luffy he was said to have haki. Which makes so of luffy light speed feats null in void
@@bentrye Well if you actually read/watched the series you'd seen it was point blank in his face before he did. Also Naruto quite literally dodged it regardless so it doesn't matter if he has precog he still is comparable. We can debate him being ftl drop your discord.
Garou still Neg the verse
is this even a fight?
Bruh this isn't even a fight. We're putting a guy who can't even destroy a planet against a guy who can wipe a galaxy with one punch with zero effort. The better matchup should be with Flashy flash vs Naruto
even Flashy flash will destroy naruto before he even blink
Lol wtf he can destroy alot more than a planet you're a whole ass clown.
@@villnavir5997 We can debate this if you want.
@@cacenflowers927 Yeah I know Saitama can wipe a galaxy
@@trollfack2966 I meant Naruto smh. Like Saitama wins but you're lowballing Naruto really bad.
Are you insane Naruto fought kaguya who is above madara. You also didn't debunk the raikage feat which would be ftl for Naruto because he dodge the raikage fastest punch and the sage art light is light speed because madara wasn't at full power he still had one eye and he performed a planetary feats with just his one eye. Later getting stronger after getting his second and third eye. He then was almost one shot by so6p naruto. Naruto is now at least 5 times planetary and ftl+ since he also blitz madara. Kaguya is the first to show star level feat but Naruto needed help to win so he still only large planetary and ftl+. Naruto then fights and one shot tonari making Naruto going by vs battle rules 7.5 times stronger then tonari at full power. Momoshiki has a star level feat in the canon novels of him destroying a star and causing a Supernova . so kaguya has a star level feat and so does a weaker momoshiki. Naruto would have beat that weaker momoshiki easily if not for him trying to save the village. This is proven by him while weaken still winning in the fight and if Naruto was able to use ninjustu he would have won even sooner. Momoshiki had to eat kinshiki to be able to fight a weaken Naruto and sasuke with the kages.the k ages by the way being far weaker then Naruto was pushing kinshiki. More proof Naruto is above base momoshiki who is star level. Then that stronger momoshiki still couldn't beat Naruto or sasuke but he did one shot the other kage. Making him 7.5 times stronger then them. Momoshiki would have lost if the professor didn't feed him more chakra. Naruto later toys with delta letting her hurt him so that he could get information out of her. Meaning to Naruto she wasn't a threat. He later gets body by jigan who later becomes even stronger when he shows himself to be Isshiki and continues to body naruto. Naruto gets baryon mode and starts to dog walk Isshiki who was just blitzing him and now Naruto is blitzing. Naruto being large star is not far fetch and his is also hundreds of times light speed. Extra don't ever give Naruto infinite chakra because this is how I can tell you don't know shit about Naruto is that they use chakra to boost their physical state. Meaning Naruto would have infinite speed and be universal being able to one shot saitama.
Got debunked 😭
You have way to much time on your hands lol 😂
@@scyth5586 so do you to look through the comments just to leave that message.
@@eddieboston6540 my guy you spent all that time just for Saitama to solo the verse
@@depryturtl3750 no he doesn't. His best feat is star level the otosuki are star level kaguya who is the weakest is star level come back when saitama hit solar system so he can go up against jigan.
i dont think that there is any statement that the stars from naruto are as big as the moon
plus momoshiki liteaurly in the ln wich is cannon obsorved a supernova(base)
and we know 4 a fact that naruto is 100 times stronger than momoshiki(fused)
other than that i agree with everything
Bro saitama can beat naruto no cap saitama>naruto
@@Vxrtxl momoshiki aint star level, he was just aborsbing the planets chakra with god tree
@@Coldskin1 bro I don't read that much manga I don't know what you are saying
naruto solos opm
Yeah right saitama would clap his ass with a sneeze
Saitama hold an entire hyperspace (5D feats) while fighting a Cosmic Garou and the creator
Saitama also destroyed 900,000,000,000 Galaxies and Trillions of stars by moving his fist
That only happens in the manga not anime
@@pbggamingyt376 nice lies.
saitama closed a portal, he didnt hold a hyperspace.
he destroyed around 50 stars when fighting cosmic garou.
lmao just stop lying.
even if he actually did that naruto still slams
@@animeisbadngl nah, the portal saitama hold contains Hyperspace
Read the new chapter. Saitama completely removed his limiter, so he has an infinite reserve of power, He eventually adapted to the point where he effortlessly One-Shot Cosmic Garou. Garou attempted to copy Saitama's power, but Saitama can always exert more power endlessly whenever he needs to, so even when Garou copied his power, saitama could still tap into more of his own power to oneshot garou.
The haku thing is pretty consistent, I'm not saying it's true because that was the English translation but kakashi said that haku was stronger than him and kakashi is on the level of a kage and for madara, it's talking about the jutsu not madara himself atleast I don't think it did
Even itachi in part 1 is stated to have a light speed jutsu so kage level character being relativistic is consistent
I love how everybody here is trying to say saitama win but then can never back up their arguments with any substantial proof
Keep crying like a baby 😂
Even baryon mode is not enough to defeat Saitama. Boros's ultimate attack was clearly stronger than Naruto's Baryon Mode. It was powerful to launch Saitama to the moon, but it hardly did any damage. In comparison, the Baryon Mode will hardly do any damage.
naruto solo opm like fr
Bruh saitama is clear
Kaguya negs the verse
Fr no one in opm(besides god) gets past multi solar system level
Saitama speed blitz’s and it’s not even close
Beginning of shippuden Naruto>Saitama
Saitama solo's naruto verse in Neg diff Kid😂😂😂🤣
Naruto could use the rasengan on his arm like he did on the 2nd raikage to make saitama hit himself
He could do that if saitama wasn’t faster then Nahum
Saitama has already hit himself (technically) so it wouldnt work, hope u realise saitama punches arent even his full power at all, its not gonna end him
Anyways like the other guy said, saitama completely speed blitz naruto even garou solos naruto verse
@@Blaze-hq4ox tatsumaki is enough
Especially as of now Saitama negs
Tatsumaki did not do a planetary feat. Pulling up a continent is impressive but that's nowhere near the whole planet
Ikr?
Bro I'm a Naruto fan and as soon as I seen the title I said Saitama slams
All the ones who ain’t biased know naruto wins but it would be really close anyone who disagrees is simple in da head
Saitama wins
Bro one of these days these Naruto fans are going to say Naruto slams Goku huhhh I done heard that madura universal if that was the case then he could beat cell from dragon ball like bro you know how stupid you gotta be to ignore the facts and just say Naruto wins. Like y'all gotta use data books to state a point and if that doesn't work y'all write these long paragraphs stating how you're right when all we have to do is use the anime and manga to dupunk your stuff then when y'all know y'all lost y'all like oh I'ma just talk about you're family see how you feel. At that point just get off the internet and play with you're friends and keep you're opinion to you're self. And y'all smart as hell y'all use all this math just to state a point knowing that it's pointless all that intelligence going to waste it's disappointing. And then y'all treat power scaling as an profession like it's not a job you don't get paid doing that if you do congratulations. Like all this mulf and he's ul like what is that supposed to mean you think I know all of that it's not that serious.
The fist 👊 turn against God.
Bro… try unlisting the video first lol! Like what was going on 😭
Garou and Saitama are galaxy level at least, and Garou could shake the universe I believe. A serious punch generates enough energy to vaporize an entire star system which consists of hundreds of solar systems 😗
Yeah no this is just completely false and heavily fallacious Naruto solos the verse and its not even funny
ikr ppl really be lowballing naruto
Exactly, mans said stars in Naruto are smaller than moons because they appear small from Earth
@@ClairvoyantDreams358 Saitama claps
naruto cant go past against bang and tatsumaki lmao😂
Saitama would shit on Naruto with the shockwave of his sneeze
Its mince we going to see flying around .
Make a alucard vs kratos video please
Kratos wins
Can you do Ichigo vs Saitama?
That's commonsense tho.. Ichigo would win easily...
@@tgr5312 he won't ask you ,he ask the video creater
Saitama effortlessly stomps, no joke.
@@romanempire6087 Dont care it's commonsense
Wasn’t the moon that toneri cut hollow?
Yeah
No he was talking about toneri slamming the moon into the earth with enough power to destroy it
@@oladoyinabitogun3280 ahhh ok🙂
Yup
Naruto one shots and blitzes
@OP-ff4mw he's low multi
Saitama can just flick naruto away and he’s dead
hope this doesnt get removed
Saitama is even trying yet
Make a alucardvs doomslayer
To this day pepole are down playing Bryan mod none of you understand how powerful he is in Bryan mod
Bryan mod 💀😩
Bryan mod 😂 no hate
😂
Can we get a gojo indep video
Saitama wins, he's limitless
No limits fallacy
@@cacenflowers927 no such fallacy exists, its called proof by example fallacy. You makin up words man..
@@4nnd711 It does lol we can debate with a judge drop your discord. You don't even know logical fallacies lmfao. Also making up words? Not a single word in that was made up tf are you on lol.
ok? doesn’t prove anything
@@cacenflowers927 it’s not an actual fallacy
I know he did no just use shadow clones as hax
We go agane boys
I am sorry but momoshiki is not more powerful than kaguya. Kaguya are the divine fruit she had chacra to fight for three months we know if she wanted to killed Naruto and Sasuke she could of easily.
No in canon momoshiki and kinshiki are said to be stronger. Naruto can solo kaguya by himself
bro how is naruto stronger than saitama, saitama has a power of the gods and is way faster and stronger than naruto
A God is just a title. It doesn't really mean anything. If a bunch of cavemen worship a monkey as a god, that doesn't make him a nigh-omnipotent being
I hear people in the comment saying ishigo negs saitama well i didn't watch more than 2 seasons but still like does he really?
Yh i dropped it as well, apparently he fights universal beings or something, anyways opm verse just gonna get better feats, like between 3-5' chapters it went from planetary to Star to solar system +/ low galaxy 😂💀
@@Blaze-hq4ox Ichigo has never fought a universal being.
even the strongest one piece character is star level. like u said naruto earth is small compared to one piece which bigger than our sun and wb has power to the destroy op earth. my point is naruto is not that strong.
with wank naruto can get to high uni at low multiversal and saitama multi galaxy to potentially low universe but both goku victim 🙏😂
You can get Naruto above Goku(don’t ask)
ti high ball saitama boroses atack was galexy lvl bc collapsing star and that makes black hole and black hole is the center of most big galexys and holds them together so larg galexy level or u could say black hole lvl for ap and for speed to many times faster than light bc of math i did based of of the punch in the latest manga chapter blach blach blah just to many zeros to count on 4 hands thats all i gotta say
Please garou vs isshiki.
Prove isshiki can destory a planet with god tree than he may have a chance
Factssss
If he can a mosquito then i will believe
If naruto can beat himawari I will agree that naruto is stronger