I don’t agree with the comparison/criticism between Shogun and 3 body problem. Shogun is a historically based story taking place in Japan. 3 body problem is a present day invasion of the world. I’m glad Netflix opted for a multi-cultural cast, but kept large parts of the story rooted in China. Besides, tencent already did a fully Chinese television adaptation of the novel.
@@richlisola1 ppl in the west are so piped on diversity they can't see an obvious agenda driven show play out. gender swapping is cool. a nanopaticle scientist acting like a Instagram influencer is cool, drunk and smoking all the time, TOTALLY believable cast. if you question it you're a incel.
Putting aside the story accuracy, I think the actor who plays Auggie is the weakest link in the series, seems like a poor casting decision. BTW, the Chinese version of the 3Body Problem is streaming on Peacock, it is said to be a more faithful depiction, altogether 30 episodes, bear in mind some episodes are extremely slow moving.
I watched the Netflix version then the Chinese version which started off really slow to me but once I got to episode 7-10 it was amazing in so much detail and no annoying Augie either. The Chinese man who runs the nanotech company is complex, way better acting, I'm convinced that he is an actual genius. Augie has to be told over and over how intelligent she is, Chinese version he is told once and he pushes back.
@@chrisb7528 I just finished the entire Chinese series, like you said, the central performances were so much better and believable. However, where did they find those white actors (eg Mike Evans)?! I have not seen acting that hilarious for a while!
@@miocio315 The non-Chinese actors aren't professionals. Since the show was shot during covid, they didn't have a large pool of foreigners to cast for the show. I think that's why it's very obvious that the Western actors are the weak links in the Tencent version. Didn't bother me much though because they had limited screen time. The Chinese cast was great
Having read one-and-a-half of the three REMEMBRANCE OF EARTH'S PAST books, I share the general view that, while the books' science ideas are fascinating (and difficult...in a good way for a hard sf novel), there's a total absence of interesting -- or even fully developed -- characters. The show has done a pretty good job of inventing characters with a little more depth and of making the science ideas a little more approachable. Reading the books really makes you appreciate how (relatively) well-developed the Netflix series' characters are. I didn't love the show, but it's a solid like. And I appreciate that they've adapted a nearly unadaptable series of books. Yes, A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE also had a reputation for being unadaptable. And the early seasons of A GAME OF THRONES are _much_ better tv than Season 1 of 3 BODY PROBLEM is. But the problem with adapting ASOIAF wasn't that GRRM hadn't written compelling characters. However, it does make me want to look at THREE-BODY, the Chinese series based on the REMEMBRANCE OF EARTH'S PAST books (which is available on Prime Video).
I am sorry, but the show butchered the characters of Ye Wenjie and Da Shi. In the novels, we see many turning points in the life of Ye Wenjie, so the decision she makes, makes sense. In Netflix version, she comes off as a dumb and petty person. And the other characters are meh imo. The dumbing down of science kinda bothered me too. 6/10
2nd adapted version for the West. In this interpretation, the story-telling made Ye Wenjie character a relatable sympathetic antagonist especially if you have parents (like mine) who survived/escaped the Cultural Revolution. If’s very tough to stomach that and then feel anything towards the Oxford Five who are “burdened with greatness” as the so-called saviors of the human race.
I think we see the $20m in all the VR scenes, the ship scene in ep 5, all the blinking sky / science VFX, and some big production sets in historic China. The show also was supposed to premiere earlier in 2023 but D&D wanted to show a few more scenes and those happened to be caught by the strike, so there's lots of time cost as well. Also, Saul not having any personality on screen is actually pretty on brand to the book version.
I think we all need to recalibrate our expectations for visual effects. Budgets are going to keep dropping and reduced VFX budgets like in both the recent Japanese and American Godzilla movies. We're going to just have to be okay with 'okay' visual effects, in the hopes that the writing and performances step up.
I REALLY hope this gets renewed and they get to take a stab at more content from the second and third books. Something’s gonna have to change with the visual effects though, because they’re rough and to sell what is to come it’ll need to be top notch. I recommend everyone try to at least make it to episode 5 before stopping watching. The entire plot of the first book is wrapped up by then and the really mind blowing sci-fi concepts are more present in the latter books.
Every everything in this show is Chekov's _________. You'll get to episode 6 and really start wondering, "What's the deal with Will's cancer? Why is that in this show?" It's Chekov's cancer. If a character is shown to have cancer in episode one, it needs to go off by episode seven. It does.
The ship thing in episode 5 is one of the dumbest things I've seen in any show, ever, and it made me turn on this series in a big way. So, so stupid. It's an example of all the worst tendencies of Weiss and Benioff. Huge spectacle, absolutely nonsense narrative.
I don’t agree with the comparison/criticism between Shogun and 3 body problem. Shogun is a historically based story taking place in Japan. 3 body problem is a present day invasion of the world. I’m glad Netflix opted for a multi-cultural cast, but kept large parts of the story rooted in China. Besides, tencent already did a fully Chinese television adaptation of the novel.
You would agree with this bland soulless woke iteration of a great Chinese novel/book series.
@@richlisola1 ppl in the west are so piped on diversity they can't see an obvious agenda driven show play out. gender swapping is cool. a nanopaticle scientist acting like a Instagram influencer is cool, drunk and smoking all the time, TOTALLY believable cast. if you question it you're a incel.
Putting aside the story accuracy, I think the actor who plays Auggie is the weakest link in the series, seems like a poor casting decision. BTW, the Chinese version of the 3Body Problem is streaming on Peacock, it is said to be a more faithful depiction, altogether 30 episodes, bear in mind some episodes are extremely slow moving.
I watched the Netflix version then the Chinese version which started off really slow to me but once I got to episode 7-10 it was amazing in so much detail and no annoying Augie either. The Chinese man who runs the nanotech company is complex, way better acting, I'm convinced that he is an actual genius. Augie has to be told over and over how intelligent she is, Chinese version he is told once and he pushes back.
@@chrisb7528 I just finished the entire Chinese series, like you said, the central performances were so much better and believable. However, where did they find those white actors (eg Mike Evans)?! I have not seen acting that hilarious for a while!
@@miocio315 The non-Chinese actors aren't professionals. Since the show was shot during covid, they didn't have a large pool of foreigners to cast for the show. I think that's why it's very obvious that the Western actors are the weak links in the Tencent version. Didn't bother me much though because they had limited screen time. The Chinese cast was great
Having read one-and-a-half of the three REMEMBRANCE OF EARTH'S PAST books, I share the general view that, while the books' science ideas are fascinating (and difficult...in a good way for a hard sf novel), there's a total absence of interesting -- or even fully developed -- characters. The show has done a pretty good job of inventing characters with a little more depth and of making the science ideas a little more approachable. Reading the books really makes you appreciate how (relatively) well-developed the Netflix series' characters are. I didn't love the show, but it's a solid like. And I appreciate that they've adapted a nearly unadaptable series of books. Yes, A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE also had a reputation for being unadaptable. And the early seasons of A GAME OF THRONES are _much_ better tv than Season 1 of 3 BODY PROBLEM is. But the problem with adapting ASOIAF wasn't that GRRM hadn't written compelling characters. However, it does make me want to look at THREE-BODY, the Chinese series based on the REMEMBRANCE OF EARTH'S PAST books (which is available on Prime Video).
I'm exactly where you are in the books, and i agree with you on this take.
I am sorry, but the show butchered the characters of Ye Wenjie and Da Shi. In the novels, we see many turning points in the life of Ye Wenjie, so the decision she makes, makes sense. In Netflix version, she comes off as a dumb and petty person. And the other characters are meh imo. The dumbing down of science kinda bothered me too. 6/10
2nd adapted version for the West. In this interpretation, the story-telling made Ye Wenjie character a relatable sympathetic antagonist especially if you have parents (like mine) who survived/escaped the Cultural Revolution. If’s very tough to stomach that and then feel anything towards the Oxford Five who are “burdened with greatness” as the so-called saviors of the human race.
Younger actors ( in present day ) are really underwhelming and un compelling .
I think Saul and Jin are compelling.
I feel for the cancer guy. How many of us never made a move to find love and regretted it?
I think we see the $20m in all the VR scenes, the ship scene in ep 5, all the blinking sky / science VFX, and some big production sets in historic China. The show also was supposed to premiere earlier in 2023 but D&D wanted to show a few more scenes and those happened to be caught by the strike, so there's lots of time cost as well. Also, Saul not having any personality on screen is actually pretty on brand to the book version.
I think we all need to recalibrate our expectations for visual effects. Budgets are going to keep dropping and reduced VFX budgets like in both the recent Japanese and American Godzilla movies. We're going to just have to be okay with 'okay' visual effects, in the hopes that the writing and performances step up.
I REALLY hope this gets renewed and they get to take a stab at more content from the second and third books. Something’s gonna have to change with the visual effects though, because they’re rough and to sell what is to come it’ll need to be top notch.
I recommend everyone try to at least make it to episode 5 before stopping watching. The entire plot of the first book is wrapped up by then and the really mind blowing sci-fi concepts are more present in the latter books.
You're absolutely right about the mandarin being terrible. The standards should be better
Patrick's desire for what the show should be, his what if, is very close to the first book!
The characters in Alive were white in real life, they were Hispanic white
Every everything in this show is Chekov's _________. You'll get to episode 6 and really start wondering, "What's the deal with Will's cancer? Why is that in this show?" It's Chekov's cancer. If a character is shown to have cancer in episode one, it needs to go off by episode seven. It does.
The ship thing in episode 5 is one of the dumbest things I've seen in any show, ever, and it made me turn on this series in a big way. So, so stupid. It's an example of all the worst tendencies of Weiss and Benioff. Huge spectacle, absolutely nonsense narrative.
Absolutley neccesary though if you think about it.
I loved it. David is worng.
I loved this show I can’t wait for S2
Get to episode 5
Great example of why America shouldn't about the Chinese market.
I find the silicone injected lips incredibly distracting on a character meant to be one of humanity's greatest scientists. The rest of the show is ok.
Scientists can’t be into beauty or fitness? In reality there are plenty of scientists into both of those things, I work with a load of them.