Thanks for this review, and for your obvious honesty, through details and updates. Your trip, for the road (or trail) conditions as much as the weight you carry and the long time in all weather, is really a trial for any equipment. Hard conditions and months (years) combine to let any fail in design or making show at the end. This time you talk of bags and panniers, but it's the same with cranks, pedals, free wheels, tyres and all... You take them to their limit. And not everybody will do the same trip. Anyway, it's important, when you prepare a trip to focus on the equipment which is supposedly adapted to your plans. I travelled a lot years ago, my luggage were British (Karrimor) and not waterproof, so I had to pack everything in plastic bags... And the seams were worn out on some panniers, or even eaten out by insects on a beach (cotton seams) !!! Nothing is perfect !!!
Nice review. A friend lent me his Vaude bags whilst I was deciding upon which bags to buy. I opted for Ortlieb and after your review it has just confirmed I made the right decision.
I run Ortleibs - often quite full. I would make three precautionary points - 1) The fabric could do with being a little more abrasion resistant, but that is always a trade off. 2) Though they do their job well on the whole, the attachment hooks are made quieter and more efficient by bulking up the carrier rails were they clip on with tape Plus make sure the hook inserts are properly in place. 3) Possibly the biggest problem, but still not a deal breaker, is the shoulder strap. The rubber pad gets in the way when you put the strap into it's retaining hook and there is a tendency for the strap to slip out of the hook. I took the precaution of also getting the adaptor that turnd a pannier into a back pack. Bit bulky when packed, but a really useful bit of kit.
The PVC-material used in the 1990s by Ortlieb is extremely durable and long-lasting and does not scratch as easy as nowadays material. I am also still using one pair of Ortlieb panniers, I have bought more than 30 years ago.
I use my same Ortlieb panniers for 25 years every working day cycling to work and back, for biketouring in holidays and for shopping my grocerys all around the year in every weather condition, they are still hold on. No issues. For me Ortlieb ist the best brand for panniers ever. By the way, what have brands like Tubus, Ortlieb, Magura, Schwalbe, Rohloff, Pinion, Busch+Müller, Sigma, Trelock, Abus, Ergon... in common? Guess!
@@louisaandtobi You got it. Don't no why, but German brands are sometimes a good choice for bike touring. But to be fair, there are many other brands of decent quality not made in Germany.
I have used my Ortlieb panniers for years (no troubles except for broken buckles which I replaced) and never thought to use the shoulder strap to cinch down the top. Thanks for teaching me a new trick!
My wife has the Front Rollers with the shoulder strap. Using it is a fiddly PITA. She carries it and sometimes uses it when carrying the bag for shopping off the bike only. When riding she rolls the top down and clips the two ends together. The shoulder strap travels inside the pannier. Personally I much prefer the Bikepacker/Sportpacker cap-top panniers for several reasons.
I‘ve been using my Ortliebs for about eight years now. Long tours each year over rough terrain. I had a rear pannier hook break early on my very first tour, but got a replacement and haven’t had a problem since. My bike even rolled off a pontoon ferry once into water about 1.5 meters deep. All panniers and the top bag were completely submerged, but everything inside remained dry. Unfortunately, the handlebar bag turned into a handlebar bucket. That’s the trade off between waterproofing and easy access. I still love the Ortlieb handlebar bags, and they’re quite good at keeping things dry in a downpour. Just don’t submerge them. - Great review.
My Ortlieb bikepackers -- used for commuting and touring -- are not that old and daylight is appearing through the bottoms. I don't think basic wear of nylon fabric is an ortlieb fault, I'm just surprised when people get a decade out of theirs. I'm transitioning to a new pair. I'm going to try to use sacrificial nylon bags to absorb wear inside the new pair.
Interesting and well made. Particularly interesting are the "quality" issues with Vaude, which mean a less than optimal manufacturing. One would not expect that when paying a lot of money Vaude asks for their products.... My wife and I have had Ortlieb for many years, we spend every year a long holiday by cycling so we do not ride as much as you do. Also, we are pretty light in what we carry. Having said this, we are VERY happy with Ortlieb classic panniers. No quality issues, and totally waterproof. The system of strap and latch is simple and allows versatility of use (over the shoulder). We have not experienced the bending of the bag that is shown here - I guess it depends on the load one puts in the pannier (no computer for us). Only minus of the Ortlieb handlebar bag Ultimate, is closing it is a bit annoying. It is clearly made to assure waterproofness, but boy, centering those corners takes a lot of patience, and sometime we are in the cold, or wind, or rain (or all of these).....
Had my ortlieb back rollers for maybe 8 years now. Still going strong after touring adventures, commuting and my weekly shop. Very sturdy and waterproof . The inner mesh pocket has rips in it and I has to replace a clip and a couple of rail bolts that came lose and I lost, but these were cheap and easy to source here in the UK.
@@jochenkraus7016 yes, it's inevitable that after years of hard use some of the plastic clips and bolts might break. It's good that Ortlieb supply all these spare parts at a reasonable cost. Good after sales support.
Thank you for this nice review, well done! Last week I had a discussion about the same topic - Vaude or Ortlieb - in my bicycle repair shop. The funny thing is that they were pretty much in favor of Vaude, especially because of the costumer service. Their experience with warranty issues was opposite to yours. Ortlieb was always the one that was hard to reach and did not really want to corporate, while Vaude was fast and generous.
Not very surprising as it was an apples vs oranges comparison: They wanted to BUY new products from Ortlieb & send to a fixed address, so of course their SALES team responded quickly. OTOH, they wanted free replacements from Vaude, sent to an address that kept changing, so not so surprising their SUPPORT team was not as quick to respond.
I've bought new Vaude panniers once and they didn't lasted nearly as long as the used Ortlieb panniers that I am currently using. You can find used Ortlieb panniers in great condition for the same price or less as a new Vaude, and you will still get better customer service from Ortlieb.
Two years ago, my local outfitter was contacted by Vaude because there was a recall for my tent. Something was wrong with the poles and I got a complete new tent. This was about a top of the range ultra light tent which was quite pricey.
That's all very interesting. I've now done 10,000km with my Ortlieb rear rollers with zero issues. The fact that your Vaude panniers started to split a the seams is an absolute deal-breaker for me. The potential to get your stuff wet is a nightmare. I've never heard of this happening before with Ortlieb. Thanks for sharing. A great video. JP
If you read the updates section in the description of this video we mention that Tobis Ortlieb panniers also opened at the seams. We believe it may be an issue related to the “Free” product line of Ortlieb. Or also possibly the conditions they’re used in: temperatures, etc.
Thanks for the great film!! I've been using Ortlieb for Bike Touring since 2016 with great success.....I had a dog chew into my Front Pannier in Peru, but I managed to use a high quality tape to patch it up.......The Buckles on Ortlieb Panniers can be problematic in very cold Temps....I have had a few crack and break, but sourcing replacements was easy. I'm enjoying your videos, keep up the good work!
Very interesting video. I have an older version of the Vaude Panniers that I use two to three times a year. Had to replace the quick release hooks on both panniers this year but apart from that...
Wow! Failures with Ortliebs? We have each got a set of the Ortlieb Classics - Bikepackers and Sportpacker as well as an Ultimate Six handlebar bag and a roll-top rack bag each. Most of these are now over 17 years old (my rack bag is over 25 years old) and we have NEVER had any seam failures. We have had a couple of rubs/cuts causing an opening. Each time this was repaired quite easily using SeamGrip tent-floor repair glue. This stuff is REALLY tough; I have a 3" cut on my rack bag that was repaired in 1999, and it is still waterproof and robust. We prefer the cap-top pannier bags rather than the roll-top ones as they are waterproof enough for most rainy riding needs, they enable a bit of extra stuffing, and wet clothing can be stored under the cap without making the rest of the pannier contents damp. Ortlieb has a really *vast* range of spare parts and repair kits. You can pretty much rebuild the panniers' fittings and change from QL1 mounting system to QL2 or 2.1 without too much difficulty. One thing with Ortlieb that I have not liked has been their rack-hook inserts. Eventually I ditched these, as they just kept on falling out. Instead I fitted lengths of aquarium tubing (13mmOD/10mmID) with cable-ties to my Tubus rack rails, and the bare Ortlieb hooks with no inserts fit on perfectly, no rattling nor lost inserts. This tubing also protects the rack from abrasion by the surprisingly harsh Ortlieb hooks (I had my old aluminium racks worn really badly by the plastic hooks). 17 years of use including 13 years as commuting panniers. No seam-weld failures, no penetrations nor wear showing. Only last January my wife's rear pannier and one of my front panniers got a penetration hole, probably caused during airline luggage handling. Only because I am a bit tired of the old QL1 mounting system, and because my rear pockets (clip-on small pockets) are showing a lot of fading, I have bought a set of new Bikepacker/Sportpackers and used them on just one 4-day tour so far.
its an interesting compromise to chose PVC free and then rely on multiple bottles of Superglue in single use plastic bottles to extend a non PVC products lifecycle along with the replacement bags over the years and all the plastic parts, holistically would a pvc bag have been better for the environment throughout its entire lifecycle as arguably dozens of bottles of Superglue wouldn't be in landfill (+ the chemicals and their manufacture process in the glue) and the bags / parts you replaced wouldn't be in landfill, or consuming vast amounts of energy and water to recycle the discarded broken parts, and of course all the CO2 used in shipping replacement parts around the world through supply chains and postage etc. these bags would appear to have a 3-5 year lifecycle before needing to be recycled at the cost of energy , water, Co2 in shipping etc. at varying intervals, and arguably now not recyclable now contaminated with superglue, as recycled plastic has stringent guidelines on what it contains to be able to be resold / repurposed. its not a dig, its a genuine question on how we can do better and make better choices in our environmental impacts, im just wondering what is the true cost of PVC free products as i still own a wet bag from 1995 what performs perfectly fine and will most likely outlive me, purchased at a time when we didn't know any better about PVC and there wasn't another choice, but like i say its now 29 years old and still as good as new no glue in sight and will still be good for someone else to use after me (not that i intend on replacing it), PVC is of course very difficult to recycle, but it can now be recycled, and it if has a lifecycle of 40-50 years then sustainably, is it actually a lower environmental impact overall when compared to the 10 non PVC bags plus 30-40 bottles of superglue you would need in the same timeframe? that's the question for me.
I bought Vaude panniers 2 years ago to use on my Nomad bike, here in the Philippines. I used them may be a dozen times before they literally fell apart at the seams. The last one burst just two weeks ago, spewing its contents into the back wheel. Never again Vaude. I have smaller, ortileb panniers on the front, but these have been used less and are as yet intact. Prior to these I used fabric bags, Altura Orkney, and these managed nearer five years of weekly usage. Looking to buy them again.
I just had the same issue with my 2yo Vaude panniers. The first one is one it's way to Vaude currently for repair or replacement. Fortunately I had already switched to Ortlieb for my first bigger bike tour this summer, shortly before the seals opened up on the Vaude.
Meine uralten Vaude Taschen halten seit über 20 Jahren und das heißt weit mehr als 50Tsd km, sind verschweißt an der Naht und einfach aufgebaut ohne Riemenzeugs, oben wie eine Bootstasche einrollen und verschließen das wars. Hab sie kürzlich sogar etwas eingefettet. Schade das die neuen nicht so gut sind.
Hello Both, I just saw your video and I have different experience with Ortlieb products and customer service. My seams are completely brocken (bags are randomly used and out of warranty), but nnot interesst of quality issue, only 25% discount and I have to sent the bags back to Otrlieb (delivery costs on my side). I switched to Vaude :-)
The pampers that I have were from a company that was in Boulder Colorado. They have some features that these more modern panniers. don’t. External pockets while these panniers don’t have these characteristics segregation of fuel bottles and wet clothes is probably not an issue with some. I like keeping these things separated and from this presentation I don’t see it
I have the old Vaude panniers (those without the losange patern) and I have not experienced the same issue with the seams. I guess the quality degraded later.
Had couple Vaude 24L bags for 2 years which live on my commuter. No quality issues yet. Couple holes which could be punctures from items, going put it down to fair wear and tear not quality issue. Lost one of inside hooks which got ripped off or screw worked lose. Find top latches move with time as dial screw clamp isn't perfect, Ortlibe latch system looks better. Do like Vaude use of small combination padlock to secure to bike, goes through hole in latch. Only specific Abus padlock will work, had to contact Vaude for info, nothing on their webpage.
There's a reason why so many long term/serious cycle tourist opt for Ortlieb bags. Before I bought mine I read lots of reviews by people who'd toured for years and swore by them.
Thank for the great review, I'm new to cycling and I am considering getting a bike pannier for the first time. A question, how did you manage to get 40% discount from Ortlieb? Is it because you are ordering directly from Germany or because you are ordering in bulk? Just want to know if I would get a better bargain by buying from Ortlieb site or if I should go to retail shop instead. Thanks
Hey, we think they gave us the discount for several reasons, because we ordered through them and in bulk, and because we explained the situation to them that we want to switch from Vaude to Ortlieb. Best to just ask Ortlieb to see what they can do.
Ja es stimmt, ich kann einiges bestätigen. Wenn ich in meine Ortlieb Back Roller Einen großen Schlafsack eingepackt habe, dann waren diese streben nachher auch verbogen. Das war auch der Grund, warum ich (wieder!) zu Vaude gewechselt bin. Allerdings finde ich das ein Hängesystem bei Ortlieb doch bisschen durchdachter. Momentan haben wir acht Taschen, sowie eine Lenkertasche von Vaude. Ich habe über die mangelnde Qualität bei Vaude Schon gehört. Nun bin ich gespannt wie lange unsere Taschen halten.
For my ortlieb back panniers i use a second hook for better placement on the bike. Because i cycle often with open front panniers for the last km's before camping, (when i did grosseries), is that not possible with the Vaude panniers because of his straps
Vielen Dank für den detaillierten Bericht über die Vor- und Nachteile der Taschen im tägliche Gebrauch. Im Gegensatz zu den üblichen Produktvorstellvideos lohnt sich hier das Zusehen. .. und man fragt sich, ob die Produktentwickler bei Vaude ihre Taschen selber nutzen. Wahrscheinlich nicht. (Was Ihr nicht erwähnt habt: Bei Ortlieb kann es zu bösen Abriebstellen kommen, wenn irgendeine Fahrradträgerstrebe oder was auch immer an der Taschenrückseite reibt.)
Das stimmt, leider reibt sich manchmal was auf der Rückseite auf. Je nach Träger kann man die Taschen so justieren, dass das Planenmaterial den Träger selbst nicht berührt. Teilweise nutzen wir aber auch aufgeklebte Plastikstücke an den Abriebstellen.
Hot take here, I only use canvas panniers (tho i have ortlieb ones for my wife) they are just so durable, dragging through thorny bushes in baja, sliding down the road, still solid. When canvas gets wet it swells up, so for short rain it keeps the water out pretty well, it then dries and let's everything breathe. After a week of rain nothing can be kept dry, so some trash bags are a great thing to carry for a lot of reasons
Thanks for this video . I was considering purchasing some Vaude panniers but not so much now. However I own a pair of Ortlieb, sadly the buckles on bofe sides have broken and due to the stitching I see no easy way to replace them.
Glad you found the video useful. But as you can read in the “updates” in the video description, we’ve also been having issues with our Ortlieb panniers now. We still prefer the Ortlieb over the Vaude though, because of their features.
finde die vergleichbarkeit des customerservice nicht gegeben. versand an eine adresse in deutschland und versand in die staaten sind zwei verschiedene sachen. den versand von vaude zu den eltern in D wäre wohl auch unmittelbar erfolgt.
hello! I love the colors of Vaude panniers but now I realised that Ortileb are better, what another brand do you recommend in panniers or bags? thank you nice video by the way :)
Nothing wrong with your guitar, but have you ever thought about a Guitarlele? Or two? It's much more suitable for travelling. (Mandoline is also a nice Instrument and small)
@@louisaandtobi 😞 Hard for me to get then.... My my motor and auto loving neighbour just started an argument about cars VS cycling - this shirt would have spoken my stance without words... 😂
Well, as we’ve never really ridden the normal PVC panniers, we can’t really compare. But the free seem very sturdy and we haven’t had any problems with abrasion. So far our new set of “free” are holding up well! 😊
Hey guys, thank you so much for this video. We're currently deciding on how to equip our bikes and hadn't made a decision for 2 weeks. Now we'll just order the Ortliebs 😁
Hej, danke für euer ausführliches Video. Habe mir vor kurzem leider die Vaude Aqua Back Plus gekauft. Egal, vielleicht habe ich mehr Glück als ihr. Wollte mir nun zusätzlich das Rack Pack von Ortlieb kaufen. Kann man die Vaude Aqua Back mit dem Ortlieb Rack Pack verbinden? Wenn ich es richtig gesehen habe, habt ihr auch diese Kombi!?
Es stimmt, das der Kundenservice von Ortlieb sehr sehr gut ist. Auch das Sponsoring ist eigentlich sehr großzügig. Jedoch lässt leider immer mehr die Qualität zu wünschen übrig und dementsprechend auch die Langlebigkeit. Da die Endkundenpreise schon recht hoch sind, ist dies schon ein Ärgernis
With Vaude I had the same problems as Louisa & Tobi have/had. The bags in general are too small for me, I rather use a trailer. Ortlieb should solve this problems with the hooks after decades. It just cannot be and it's very annoying!
I've bought clips and straps easily from e-Bay. They were not branded but work well. My crap is called Pedal Pro and apart from the buckles I've made a few mods with more to happen.
Sorry VauDe, aber das ist genau auch mein Eindruck. Habe auch das Naht Problem bei AquaPack's.... + Probleme mit den Hacken..... - Kundenservice: Ich konnte dann irgendwann nach längerem hin und her meine Taschen einsenden. Die (damals) defekte Naht wurde genäht - aber weder so das das sauber genäht war, der Stoff warf darauf hin Falten / noch das irgendwie was für die Wasserdichtheit gemacht wurde. Das Hackenproblem wurde garnicht bearbeitet. Die Naht war an der Zusatztasche am AquaPack Plus. Das öffnen der Naht war so das während der Fahrt quasi der ganze Boden ausbrach. Alles was drin war hat sich auf ca 100m auf dem Weg, von mir unbemerkt, verteilt. Glücklicherweise gab es ehrliche Finder und ich konnte noch am selben Abend (fast) alles (2 Geldbeutel und 2 Handys) wieder einsammeln. Nur ein Nagelklipser blieb verschollen. Ich hab schon mehrere Dinge von VauDe gekauft, und mit einer Ausnahme (eine Sturmhaube) gilt für alles - vor allem fehlt die Qualität..... Da muss ich sagen, egal ob lokal Produziert (was nur auf einen kleinen Teil der Produkten zutrifft) frei von PVC oder vielen anderen Stoffen..... Solange es frei von jeder Qualität und Haltbarkeit ist..... ist es auch frei von Nachhaltigkeit! Leider!! By the way..... Meine Erfahrungen mit Ortlieb sind komplett anders - auch wenn da auch mal was kaputt geht! Übrigens hab ich bis heute noch eine 30Jahre alte Lenkertasche - die noch Funktional ist (es gab eine Kartentasche die oben aufgeklebt war, die abgefallen ist.... aber sonst noch top).
I was using Vaude since 4 years ago and I'm very happy with them. I use them everyday with a lot of weight on tarmac and they have resisted everything. I can't compare it with Ortlieb beacause I never try it😅
Same, through Finnish winter as well. The only time the opening was a hassle was when i stupidly tangled the pull strap into it.. but also then it was possible to open. I never close the side straps... and never have an issue with water intake
Just found your channel today and subscribed right away, very good and useful content, and you are both very calm and honest in your videos and reviews! Very happy to be a subscriber, just the inspiration I needed for my own cycling and adventures! Keep it up and stay safe out there! 😊 👍 ☀️ 💜 Ps. I also just switched from Vaude to Ortlieb and love my new panniers... My Vaude ones has served me well for many years so I haven't been really disappointed with them... Just curious for new products to try out! 😊
I love my Vaudes. I have Ortliebs in the front and Vaudes in the back. For Autumn and winter touring I needed bigger panniers for bulky clothes for the UK rain and cold. I wild camp. Ortliebs were too small. I just did a wee trip of 500 miles and one of the buckles on my Ortliebs broke. I love how easy it is to adjust the Vaudes, to move them around and adjust you just unscrew the dials with your fingers. I like the hard backs on the Vaudes and the wider square bottoms. To me, for wild camping, this is makes organizing your panniers under the tent vestibule easier, they can stand on their own. The hard backs of the Vaudes keeps the shape. The Ortliebs can get rounded weird shapes, requiring more care in packing. Not a big deal if you’re not wild camping. If you are wild camping and there’s foul weather, it’s fantastic to be able to pack quickly and not have to fuss about “shaping” the load in each pannier. I bought the rear Vaudes for almost a quarter of the price of the tiny front Ortliebs. When the Ortliebs go, I’ll replace with bigger Vaudes.
My Vaude panniers seams opened on many sections, definitely bad welding, quality problems! Not even 2,000, it was so bad that I had to saw it if not things could start to fall through big holes, luckily I was on tour during dry season and had no rain but no waterproofness anymore. I had a good response from Vaude and they backed up their product and replaced the panniers but I was on tour in Colombia and the panniers were sent to my place in Norway, had to pay the import tax in Norway too €60. A the end you don’t buy to claim warranty and all the hassle that comes with it but to have a product that will last so I’m very disappointed with Vaude and moving to Ortlieb.
We feel the same way, although our Ortlieb “Sport Roller Free” are also starting to fall apart now. We have a feeling it might be related to the PVC free products from both Vaude and Ortlieb, as we have not heard of these problems with the “standard” Ortlieb series.
Dear sir , ortlieb is a bag producer for so many years and their focus is on bags ..second it may be so that the other brand says to produce eco nice but it sees to me that in 15 years time you neem 3 times or four times as much replacement its wurser. 3 many times a problemen arices when something has to be eco frendly. While their einfach no solution is . I look this week for the frist time for bags and loopt good and i came to ortlieb while the intention from vaude was sertainly well reasiond but not meet the standerd for heavy use.....at last a heve respect for you both exploring mother earth nature habitants but certainly the harsness of this kind of travelling and certainly when trucks and cars do not think of the vulnerability of their brother and sisters bikers, good luck on your Journey mother earth..
I appreciate the honesty of the review, however i do feel that Vaude should also be given a chance having ortlieb while a great brand as monopoly would not benefit the cycling community
I have no idea how Ortlieb makes money. My Back-Rollers from around 2005 are still in everyday use and I don't even need the spare parts I can still buy.
The advantage of the Vaude Aqua Back panniers is the larger size of 24 liters compared to the 20 liters standard Ortlieb Back Rollers. But Ortlieb also provides the newer 35 liters "pro" variant of the Back Roller model.
Ich kann mich zu Vaude-Produkten nicht āußern, meine Ortlieb-Taschen sind jedoch nach 20 Jahren immer noch absolut staub-und wasserdicht. Die Distanzhülsen für unterschiedliche Rohrstarken gehen sehr schnell verloren. Das Design könnte hier besser sein. Die Plastikschrauben für die Hakenverstellung sollten umgehend mit Imbusschrauben aus Stahl ausgetauscht werden. Die Plastikschrauben leiern alle aus und werden unbrauchbar. Die Lenkertaschenbefestigung mit dem Drahtseil ist nicht gut ausgedacht und erfordert eine Fieselei. Ich benutze mittlerweile das Arkel-System aus Aluminium und bin damit seit Jahren sehr zufrieden. Die Arkel-Taschen sind wahnsinnig teuer, nicht wasserdicht und haben zuviel Außentaschen-Schnickschnack.
Die Lenkertaschenhalterungen von Klickfix sind kompatibel. Die hat nur ein Seil, um die Halterung waagrecht zu halten. Außer der Halterung für die Pro-E-Tasche mit den Kontakten verwende ich nur Klickfix.
Don't know anything about Ortlieb....never owned anything from them. But the customer service / warranty / availability and price of replacement parts could not possibly be any worse than with Vaude. Vaude is a terribly managed company. Avoid.
Even in Germany the Service of Vaude is really bad. I was a convinced User of their Products for more than 20 Years. Since nearly ten years i don’t buy there stuff anymore!
Do you know the panniers from Büchel? They look quite similar to the actual ones from Vaude and have the same connection system - at least it looks like. Just ordered them for cheap from an Online store (Norma24) - they have an action price (maybe old model - don't know and don't care). Hope they are as sturdy as Vaude and/or Ortlieb. The Ortlieb is definetly nice, but it comes with a price tag i have to think twice and i don't use them really often (maybe 1-3 times/year) for multiple-day river or lake tours.
I like Vaude as a company, but have also seen so many people with broken Vaude panniers, that I would never *ever* consider them. My five-year-old Ortlieb panniers (front and back) are luckily still in great shape, so I also have no reason to consider switching 🙂.
If you dont want Vaude strap dangling in your spokes then buckle it up. No one is going to ride with the strap unbuckled. I think you are just nit picking and looking for faults with vaude.
There is no reason to buy another brand than Ortlieb! Ortlieb ist cheaper, better, simpler and the service is amazing. The strap on the top is really stupid on the Vaude panniers, this one is really dangerous in the spokes. We have 10 bags vom ortlieb in my family, we we give our best every year 10000 km, but ortlieb is better. In my experience the Ortlieb Back-Roller Classic with PVC are more durable than the free ones. I have 3 free bags since this spring and there are not abrasion resistant.
J’ai les 2 et les « coutures » thermocollées du Vaude ont laché !!! Elles sont inutilisables, après seulement 2 voyages. Habitant à l’est de L’Afrique, le retour est compliqué, et la paire est coûteuse. Je regrette l’achat des Vaude.
@Chains & Chords The point I'm making is, high quality "aka" lasts a long time. Thus, the ecological impact of the pvc would be minimal at best. To each their own I suppose.
@@jaba8625 That's true, using a product for a long time, even if it may have negative environmental impacts, is pretty much the best thing you can do. But unfortunately for us there was no way of knowing before that the PVC free versions wouldn't last.
Hey everyone, please read the "updates" in the description of this video to know the current status of our panniers!
This is the kind of review I was looking for, real experience without fancy music intros etc. Danke schön dass ihr es auf Englisch gefilmt habt.
Thanks for this review, and for your obvious honesty, through details and updates. Your trip, for the road (or trail) conditions as much as the weight you carry and the long time in all weather, is really a trial for any equipment. Hard conditions and months (years) combine to let any fail in design or making show at the end. This time you talk of bags and panniers, but it's the same with cranks, pedals, free wheels, tyres and all... You take them to their limit. And not everybody will do the same trip. Anyway, it's important, when you prepare a trip to focus on the equipment which is supposedly adapted to your plans. I travelled a lot years ago, my luggage were British (Karrimor) and not waterproof, so I had to pack everything in plastic bags... And the seams were worn out on some panniers, or even eaten out by insects on a beach (cotton seams) !!! Nothing is perfect !!!
A great review! Thank you for taking the time to do this, it's very, very helpful!
No worries! 😊
Nice review. A friend lent me his Vaude bags whilst I was deciding upon which bags to buy. I opted for Ortlieb and after your review it has just confirmed I made the right decision.
Sounds like a good decision! 😊
I run Ortleibs - often quite full.
I would make three precautionary points - 1) The fabric could do with being a little more abrasion resistant, but that is always a trade off. 2) Though they do their job well on the whole, the attachment hooks are made quieter and more efficient by bulking up the carrier rails were they clip on with tape Plus make sure the hook inserts are properly in place. 3) Possibly the biggest problem, but still not a deal breaker, is the shoulder strap. The rubber pad gets in the way when you put the strap into it's retaining hook and there is a tendency for the strap to slip out of the hook.
I took the precaution of also getting the adaptor that turnd a pannier into a back pack. Bit bulky when packed, but a really useful bit of kit.
I use my ortliebs for 30 years. They still work, not water proof anymore, for daily commuting and shopping.
Hey! City roller or touring plus version?
The PVC-material used in the 1990s by Ortlieb is extremely durable and long-lasting and does not scratch as easy as nowadays material.
I am also still using one pair of Ortlieb panniers, I have bought more than 30 years ago.
I use my same Ortlieb panniers for 25 years every working day cycling to work and back, for biketouring in holidays and for shopping my grocerys all around the year in every weather condition, they are still hold on. No issues. For me Ortlieb ist the best brand for panniers ever.
By the way, what have brands like Tubus, Ortlieb, Magura, Schwalbe, Rohloff, Pinion, Busch+Müller, Sigma, Trelock, Abus, Ergon... in common? Guess!
Made in Germany 😉
@@louisaandtobi
You got it. Don't no why, but German brands are sometimes a good choice for bike touring.
But to be fair, there are many other brands of decent quality not made in Germany.
I have used my Ortlieb panniers for years (no troubles except for broken buckles which I replaced) and never thought to use the shoulder strap to cinch down the top. Thanks for teaching me a new trick!
My wife has the Front Rollers with the shoulder strap. Using it is a fiddly PITA. She carries it and sometimes uses it when carrying the bag for shopping off the bike only. When riding she rolls the top down and clips the two ends together. The shoulder strap travels inside the pannier. Personally I much prefer the Bikepacker/Sportpacker cap-top panniers for several reasons.
That's literally in the user's instructions when you get it new 😂 bit I get it, most people never read that stuff.
I don’t know anyone dissatisfied with their Ortlieb bags. I have only one product, the small panniers, and they are excellent.
Agree with the verdict, I’m a big Ortlieb lover, never let me down in the past 5 years (bought second hand).
I‘ve been using my Ortliebs for about eight years now. Long tours each year over rough terrain. I had a rear pannier hook break early on my very first tour, but got a replacement and haven’t had a problem since. My bike even rolled off a pontoon ferry once into water about 1.5 meters deep. All panniers and the top bag were completely submerged, but everything inside remained dry. Unfortunately, the handlebar bag turned into a handlebar bucket. That’s the trade off between waterproofing and easy access. I still love the Ortlieb handlebar bags, and they’re quite good at keeping things dry in a downpour. Just don’t submerge them. - Great review.
Thanks for the insight, and great to know that the panniers are even waterproof when submerged! :D
My Ortlieb bikepackers -- used for commuting and touring -- are not that old and daylight is appearing through the bottoms. I don't think basic wear of nylon fabric is an ortlieb fault, I'm just surprised when people get a decade out of theirs. I'm transitioning to a new pair. I'm going to try to use sacrificial nylon bags to absorb wear inside the new pair.
Interesting and well made. Particularly interesting are the "quality" issues with Vaude, which mean a less than optimal manufacturing. One would not expect that when paying a lot of money Vaude asks for their products....
My wife and I have had Ortlieb for many years, we spend every year a long holiday by cycling so we do not ride as much as you do. Also, we are pretty light in what we carry. Having said this, we are VERY happy with Ortlieb classic panniers. No quality issues, and totally waterproof. The system of strap and latch is simple and allows versatility of use (over the shoulder). We have not experienced the bending of the bag that is shown here - I guess it depends on the load one puts in the pannier (no computer for us).
Only minus of the Ortlieb handlebar bag Ultimate, is closing it is a bit annoying. It is clearly made to assure waterproofness, but boy, centering those corners takes a lot of patience, and sometime we are in the cold, or wind, or rain (or all of these).....
Thanks for the insight. That's true, closing the Ortlieb handlebar bags can be a bit annoying at times, especially with one hand.
Had my ortlieb back rollers for maybe 8 years now. Still going strong after touring adventures, commuting and my weekly shop. Very sturdy and waterproof . The inner mesh pocket has rips in it and I has to replace a clip and a couple of rail bolts that came lose and I lost, but these were cheap and easy to source here in the UK.
Thanks for your feedback and experiences! 😊
I had some of the Ortlieb plastic parts breaking after some years but I could get them as spare parts and replace them.
@@jochenkraus7016 yes, it's inevitable that after years of hard use some of the plastic clips and bolts might break. It's good that Ortlieb supply all these spare parts at a reasonable cost. Good after sales support.
Really great review, thank you!
Thank you for this nice review, well done! Last week I had a discussion about the same topic - Vaude or Ortlieb - in my bicycle repair shop. The funny thing is that they were pretty much in favor of Vaude, especially because of the costumer service. Their experience with warranty issues was opposite to yours. Ortlieb was always the one that was hard to reach and did not really want to corporate, while Vaude was fast and generous.
Interesting that they had a very different experience! 😊
Not very surprising as it was an apples vs oranges comparison: They wanted to BUY new products from Ortlieb & send to a fixed address, so of course their SALES team responded quickly. OTOH, they wanted free replacements from Vaude, sent to an address that kept changing, so not so surprising their SUPPORT team was not as quick to respond.
I've bought new Vaude panniers once and they didn't lasted nearly as long as the used Ortlieb panniers that I am currently using. You can find used Ortlieb panniers in great condition for the same price or less as a new Vaude, and you will still get better customer service from Ortlieb.
Two years ago, my local outfitter was contacted by Vaude because there was a recall for my tent. Something was wrong with the poles and I got a complete new tent. This was about a top of the range ultra light tent which was quite pricey.
Thanks for the review. I have the Arkel Dolphin 32 and 48 and the their handlebar bag large. The attachment system of Arkel is simpler and more solid.
Sounds good, we’ll check them out!
That's all very interesting. I've now done 10,000km with my Ortlieb rear rollers with zero issues. The fact that your Vaude panniers started to split a the seams is an absolute deal-breaker for me. The potential to get your stuff wet is a nightmare. I've never heard of this happening before with Ortlieb. Thanks for sharing. A great video. JP
If you read the updates section in the description of this video we mention that Tobis Ortlieb panniers also opened at the seams. We believe it may be an issue related to the “Free” product line of Ortlieb. Or also possibly the conditions they’re used in: temperatures, etc.
@@louisaandtobi That's interesting. I appreciate the reply 🙏
Thank you for showing how to close the Ortlieb bags properly, most appreciated 😊
Thanks for the great film!! I've been using Ortlieb for Bike Touring since 2016 with great success.....I had a dog chew into my Front Pannier in Peru, but I managed to use a high quality tape to patch it up.......The Buckles on Ortlieb Panniers can be problematic in very cold Temps....I have had a few crack and break, but sourcing replacements was easy.
I'm enjoying your videos, keep up the good work!
Thanks! 😊 and thanks for sharing your experiences. So far even at -15 C our buckles have all held up fine, let’s see.
Very interesting video. I have an older version of the Vaude Panniers that I use two to three times a year. Had to replace the quick release hooks on both panniers this year but apart from that...
Wow! Failures with Ortliebs? We have each got a set of the Ortlieb Classics - Bikepackers and Sportpacker as well as an Ultimate Six handlebar bag and a roll-top rack bag each. Most of these are now over 17 years old (my rack bag is over 25 years old) and we have NEVER had any seam failures. We have had a couple of rubs/cuts causing an opening. Each time this was repaired quite easily using SeamGrip tent-floor repair glue. This stuff is REALLY tough; I have a 3" cut on my rack bag that was repaired in 1999, and it is still waterproof and robust. We prefer the cap-top pannier bags rather than the roll-top ones as they are waterproof enough for most rainy riding needs, they enable a bit of extra stuffing, and wet clothing can be stored under the cap without making the rest of the pannier contents damp.
Ortlieb has a really *vast* range of spare parts and repair kits. You can pretty much rebuild the panniers' fittings and change from QL1 mounting system to QL2 or 2.1 without too much difficulty.
One thing with Ortlieb that I have not liked has been their rack-hook inserts. Eventually I ditched these, as they just kept on falling out. Instead I fitted lengths of aquarium tubing (13mmOD/10mmID) with cable-ties to my Tubus rack rails, and the bare Ortlieb hooks with no inserts fit on perfectly, no rattling nor lost inserts. This tubing also protects the rack from abrasion by the surprisingly harsh Ortlieb hooks (I had my old aluminium racks worn really badly by the plastic hooks).
17 years of use including 13 years as commuting panniers. No seam-weld failures, no penetrations nor wear showing. Only last January my wife's rear pannier and one of my front panniers got a penetration hole, probably caused during airline luggage handling. Only because I am a bit tired of the old QL1 mounting system, and because my rear pockets (clip-on small pockets) are showing a lot of fading, I have bought a set of new Bikepacker/Sportpackers and used them on just one 4-day tour so far.
its an interesting compromise to chose PVC free and then rely on multiple bottles of Superglue in single use plastic bottles to extend a non PVC products lifecycle along with the replacement bags over the years and all the plastic parts, holistically would a pvc bag have been better for the environment throughout its entire lifecycle as arguably dozens of bottles of Superglue wouldn't be in landfill (+ the chemicals and their manufacture process in the glue) and the bags / parts you replaced wouldn't be in landfill, or consuming vast amounts of energy and water to recycle the discarded broken parts, and of course all the CO2 used in shipping replacement parts around the world through supply chains and postage etc. these bags would appear to have a 3-5 year lifecycle before needing to be recycled at the cost of energy , water, Co2 in shipping etc. at varying intervals, and arguably now not recyclable now contaminated with superglue, as recycled plastic has stringent guidelines on what it contains to be able to be resold / repurposed.
its not a dig, its a genuine question on how we can do better and make better choices in our environmental impacts, im just wondering what is the true cost of PVC free products as i still own a wet bag from 1995 what performs perfectly fine and will most likely outlive me, purchased at a time when we didn't know any better about PVC and there wasn't another choice, but like i say its now 29 years old and still as good as new no glue in sight and will still be good for someone else to use after me (not that i intend on replacing it), PVC is of course very difficult to recycle, but it can now be recycled, and it if has a lifecycle of 40-50 years then sustainably, is it actually a lower environmental impact overall when compared to the 10 non PVC bags plus 30-40 bottles of superglue you would need in the same timeframe? that's the question for me.
Great review, thank you very much, love the out takes at the end🤣🤣
Thanks 😊
Really useful and informative review - thanks for spending the time - good advice for gear for our Danube trip in May '23 :)
Congratulations on crossing the u.s. thank you for sharing.
Hello from Turkey, thank you for your great inspiring videos.
I bought Vaude panniers 2 years ago to use on my Nomad bike, here in the Philippines. I used them may be a dozen times before they literally fell apart at the seams. The last one burst just two weeks ago, spewing its contents into the back wheel. Never again Vaude. I have smaller, ortileb panniers on the front, but these have been used less and are as yet intact. Prior to these I used fabric bags, Altura Orkney, and these managed nearer five years of weekly usage. Looking to buy them again.
Thanks for the insight! 😊
I use Arkel Orca and they are fantastic!
We’ll check them out! 😊
@@louisaandtobi hey, love your videos!! Will you guys ever consider riding across Canada?
I just had the same issue with my 2yo Vaude panniers. The first one is one it's way to Vaude currently for repair or replacement. Fortunately I had already switched to Ortlieb for my first bigger bike tour this summer, shortly before the seals opened up on the Vaude.
An amazing video. Had so much thorough, useful information its rare. Had to sub, no alternative. Thank you for being here 👍
Glad you found it useful! :)
Meine uralten Vaude Taschen halten seit über 20 Jahren und das heißt weit mehr als 50Tsd km, sind verschweißt an der Naht und einfach aufgebaut ohne Riemenzeugs, oben wie eine Bootstasche einrollen und verschließen das wars. Hab sie kürzlich sogar etwas eingefettet. Schade das die neuen nicht so gut sind.
Wir glauben mittlerweile, dass es die Qualitätsprobleme eher nur bei den Free-Produkten gibt.
Thank you for this! But where did you get that bike-eating car t-shirt!!!
Great review guys! Thanks
Hello Both, I just saw your video and I have different experience with Ortlieb products and customer service. My seams are completely brocken (bags are randomly used and out of warranty), but nnot interesst of quality issue, only 25% discount and I have to sent the bags back to Otrlieb (delivery costs on my side). I switched to Vaude :-)
The pampers that I have were from a company that was in Boulder Colorado. They have some features that these more modern panniers. don’t. External pockets while these panniers don’t have these characteristics
segregation of fuel bottles and wet clothes is probably not an issue with some. I like keeping these things separated and from this presentation I don’t see it
I had a Vaude handle bar bag ,it failed let in water .I now have Ortlieb panniers, bar bag and rack bag very good bags .
We are also happy with our Ortlieb bags! 😊
I have the old Vaude panniers (those without the losange patern) and I have not experienced the same issue with the seams. I guess the quality degraded later.
Had couple Vaude 24L bags for 2 years which live on my commuter. No quality issues yet. Couple holes which could be punctures from items, going put it down to fair wear and tear not quality issue. Lost one of inside hooks which got ripped off or screw worked lose. Find top latches move with time as dial screw clamp isn't perfect, Ortlibe latch system looks better. Do like Vaude use of small combination padlock to secure to bike, goes through hole in latch. Only specific Abus padlock will work, had to contact Vaude for info, nothing on their webpage.
Arkel... hands down, and the best bar bag too.
There's a reason why so many long term/serious cycle tourist opt for Ortlieb bags. Before I bought mine I read lots of reviews by people who'd toured for years and swore by them.
Literally have Vaude front panniers arriving today - wish I had seen this video two weeks ago :(
Don't worry too much about it. Vaude bags also have some good features and it may well be that their quality issues have been resolved by now.
Thank for the great review, I'm new to cycling and I am considering getting a bike pannier for the first time. A question, how did you manage to get 40% discount from Ortlieb? Is it because you are ordering directly from Germany or because you are ordering in bulk? Just want to know if I would get a better bargain by buying from Ortlieb site or if I should go to retail shop instead. Thanks
Hey, we think they gave us the discount for several reasons, because we ordered through them and in bulk, and because we explained the situation to them that we want to switch from Vaude to Ortlieb. Best to just ask Ortlieb to see what they can do.
@@louisaandtobi Thanks for the reply and suggestion. I will try to contact Ortlieb through their website then.
Ja es stimmt, ich kann einiges bestätigen. Wenn ich in meine Ortlieb Back Roller Einen großen Schlafsack eingepackt habe, dann waren diese streben nachher auch verbogen. Das war auch der Grund, warum ich (wieder!) zu Vaude gewechselt bin. Allerdings finde ich das ein Hängesystem bei Ortlieb doch bisschen durchdachter. Momentan haben wir acht Taschen, sowie eine Lenkertasche von Vaude. Ich habe über die mangelnde Qualität bei Vaude Schon gehört. Nun bin ich gespannt wie lange unsere Taschen halten.
Ja, beide Taschen haben vor und Nachteile... perfekte Taschen gibt es leider nicht. 😅
For my ortlieb back panniers i use a second hook for better placement on the bike. Because i cycle often with open front panniers for the last km's before camping, (when i did grosseries), is that not possible with the Vaude panniers because of his straps
It could be very annoying with the long straps on the Vaude panniers. You would have to fasten them somehow.
Do you mean a second lower hook like Ortlieb has on their Gravel Packs? They are available as spare parts and I added them on some bags.
Vielen Dank für den detaillierten Bericht über die Vor- und Nachteile der Taschen im tägliche Gebrauch. Im Gegensatz zu den üblichen Produktvorstellvideos lohnt sich hier das Zusehen. .. und man fragt sich, ob die Produktentwickler bei Vaude ihre Taschen selber nutzen. Wahrscheinlich nicht.
(Was Ihr nicht erwähnt habt: Bei Ortlieb kann es zu bösen Abriebstellen kommen, wenn irgendeine Fahrradträgerstrebe oder was auch immer an der Taschenrückseite reibt.)
Das stimmt, leider reibt sich manchmal was auf der Rückseite auf. Je nach Träger kann man die Taschen so justieren, dass das Planenmaterial den Träger selbst nicht berührt. Teilweise nutzen wir aber auch aufgeklebte Plastikstücke an den Abriebstellen.
Always Ortlieb, never have to worry.
Sehr hilfreiches Video, danke!
Hot take here, I only use canvas panniers (tho i have ortlieb ones for my wife) they are just so durable, dragging through thorny bushes in baja, sliding down the road, still solid. When canvas gets wet it swells up, so for short rain it keeps the water out pretty well, it then dries and let's everything breathe. After a week of rain nothing can be kept dry, so some trash bags are a great thing to carry for a lot of reasons
Interesting! 😊
Thanks for this video . I was considering purchasing some Vaude panniers but not so much now. However I own a pair of Ortlieb, sadly the buckles on bofe sides have broken and due to the stitching I see no easy way to replace them.
Glad you found the video useful. But as you can read in the “updates” in the video description, we’ve also been having issues with our Ortlieb panniers now. We still prefer the Ortlieb over the Vaude though, because of their features.
We had them replaced by our shoemaker. Hope this helps.
@@Kkweenie Good suggestion, thanks, I will try a local cobblers.
finde die vergleichbarkeit des customerservice nicht gegeben. versand an eine adresse in deutschland und versand in die staaten sind zwei verschiedene sachen. den versand von vaude zu den eltern in D wäre wohl auch unmittelbar erfolgt.
hello! I love the colors of Vaude panniers but now I realised that Ortileb are better, what another brand do you recommend in panniers or bags? thank you nice video by the way :)
Thanks! Apart from Vaude and Ortlieb we haven’t personally tried other brands, so we can’t really recommend any others.
Nothing wrong with your guitar, but have you ever thought about a Guitarlele? Or two? It's much more suitable for travelling. (Mandoline is also a nice Instrument and small)
Yea, we've thought about it, but we actually recently decided to leave behind the guitar / an instrument altogether.
Vielen Dank fuer die Infos! Ich wollte mir schon Taschen von Vaude kaufen.Zum Glueck habe ich euer Video noch rerechtzeitig gesehen.😄
Love the shirt of Tobi, want to order one, too ! Where do you have it from?
Found it at a small shop in Athens, Greece 😅
@@louisaandtobi 😞 Hard for me to get then.... My my motor and auto loving neighbour just started an argument about cars VS cycling - this shirt would have spoken my stance without words... 😂
@@bailahie4235 😂😂
Are you finding the "free" Ortieb are less abrasion resistant than the ones containing PVC? How are your new Ortlieb "free" holding up?
Well, as we’ve never really ridden the normal PVC panniers, we can’t really compare. But the free seem very sturdy and we haven’t had any problems with abrasion.
So far our new set of “free” are holding up well! 😊
@@louisaandtobi Awesome!
Hey guys, thank you so much for this video. We're currently deciding on how to equip our bikes and hadn't made a decision for 2 weeks. Now we'll just order the Ortliebs 😁
Hej, danke für euer ausführliches Video. Habe mir vor kurzem leider die Vaude Aqua Back Plus gekauft. Egal, vielleicht habe ich mehr Glück als ihr.
Wollte mir nun zusätzlich das Rack Pack von Ortlieb kaufen.
Kann man die Vaude Aqua Back mit dem Ortlieb Rack Pack verbinden? Wenn ich es richtig gesehen habe, habt ihr auch diese Kombi!?
Soweit wir wissen, kann man die leider nicht verbinden, da die andere Verschlüsse haben.
@@louisaandtobi Schade, aber vielen Dank für eure Antwort!
Es stimmt, das der Kundenservice von Ortlieb sehr sehr gut ist. Auch das Sponsoring ist eigentlich sehr großzügig. Jedoch lässt leider immer mehr die Qualität zu wünschen übrig und dementsprechend auch die Langlebigkeit. Da die Endkundenpreise schon recht hoch sind, ist dies schon ein Ärgernis
With Vaude I had the same problems as Louisa & Tobi have/had. The bags in general are too small for me, I rather use a trailer. Ortlieb should solve this problems with the hooks after decades. It just cannot be and it's very annoying!
I've bought clips and straps easily from e-Bay. They were not branded but work well. My crap is called Pedal Pro and apart from the buckles I've made a few mods with more to happen.
Nice!
Sorry VauDe, aber das ist genau auch mein Eindruck. Habe auch das Naht Problem bei AquaPack's.... + Probleme mit den Hacken..... - Kundenservice: Ich konnte dann irgendwann nach längerem hin und her meine Taschen einsenden. Die (damals) defekte Naht wurde genäht - aber weder so das das sauber genäht war, der Stoff warf darauf hin Falten / noch das irgendwie was für die Wasserdichtheit gemacht wurde. Das Hackenproblem wurde garnicht bearbeitet. Die Naht war an der Zusatztasche am AquaPack Plus.
Das öffnen der Naht war so das während der Fahrt quasi der ganze Boden ausbrach. Alles was drin war hat sich auf ca 100m auf dem Weg, von mir unbemerkt, verteilt. Glücklicherweise gab es ehrliche Finder und ich konnte noch am selben Abend (fast) alles (2 Geldbeutel und 2 Handys) wieder einsammeln. Nur ein Nagelklipser blieb verschollen.
Ich hab schon mehrere Dinge von VauDe gekauft, und mit einer Ausnahme (eine Sturmhaube) gilt für alles - vor allem fehlt die Qualität.....
Da muss ich sagen, egal ob lokal Produziert (was nur auf einen kleinen Teil der Produkten zutrifft) frei von PVC oder vielen anderen Stoffen..... Solange es frei von jeder Qualität und Haltbarkeit ist..... ist es auch frei von Nachhaltigkeit! Leider!!
By the way..... Meine Erfahrungen mit Ortlieb sind komplett anders - auch wenn da auch mal was kaputt geht! Übrigens hab ich bis heute noch eine 30Jahre alte Lenkertasche - die noch Funktional ist (es gab eine Kartentasche die oben aufgeklebt war, die abgefallen ist.... aber sonst noch top).
Nice Shirt! Which brand is it?
Not sure, got it in a small store in Greece. 🤔
Can you tell us about your bicycle prop stands?
They are just telescopic hiking poles :)
Gracias
Can you please provide a link to the silver water bottles
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We have the 1380 ml version.
I was using Vaude since 4 years ago and I'm very happy with them. I use them everyday with a lot of weight on tarmac and they have resisted everything. I can't compare it with Ortlieb beacause I never try it😅
Same, through Finnish winter as well. The only time the opening was a hassle was when i stupidly tangled the pull strap into it.. but also then it was possible to open. I never close the side straps... and never have an issue with water intake
Good job. You just cost Vaude a sale. I was trying to decide between them and your video made up my mind.
Glad we could help 😊
I use them both, but I prefer Vaude for One reason: the materials they use are more environmently-friendly. Had no problems with Vaude in the past.
That is partially true. However, the “Free” series from Ortlieb uses pretty much the same PVC-free materials as Vaude.
I want that fishy bike shirt!
Good decision
Just found your channel today and subscribed right away, very good and useful content, and you are both very calm and honest in your videos and reviews! Very happy to be a subscriber, just the inspiration I needed for my own cycling and adventures! Keep it up and stay safe out there! 😊 👍 ☀️ 💜 Ps. I also just switched from Vaude to Ortlieb and love my new panniers... My Vaude ones has served me well for many years so I haven't been really disappointed with them... Just curious for new products to try out! 😊
Awesome, thank you! 😊 Glad we can be an inspiration. 😊
Great video thanks
I wanted to buy vaude bike bags, but after this video and tead the comments, I changed my mind ortlieb is the best
Glad we could help with the decision making 😊
Well done..
Super video mega informativ danke ❤️
Danke! 😊
I love my Vaudes. I have Ortliebs in the front and Vaudes in the back. For Autumn and winter touring I needed bigger panniers for bulky clothes for the UK rain and cold. I wild camp. Ortliebs were too small. I just did a wee trip of 500 miles and one of the buckles on my Ortliebs broke.
I love how easy it is to adjust the Vaudes, to move them around and adjust you just unscrew the dials with your fingers. I like the hard backs on the Vaudes and the wider square bottoms. To me, for wild camping, this is makes organizing your panniers under the tent vestibule easier, they can stand on their own.
The hard backs of the Vaudes keeps the shape. The Ortliebs can get rounded weird shapes, requiring more care in packing. Not a big deal if you’re not wild camping. If you are wild camping and there’s foul weather, it’s fantastic to be able to pack quickly and not have to fuss about “shaping” the load in each pannier.
I bought the rear Vaudes for almost a quarter of the price of the tiny front Ortliebs. When the Ortliebs go, I’ll replace with bigger Vaudes.
My Vaude bags also opened their seams… as if the glue expired 😮
Yea!
My Vaude panniers seams opened on many sections, definitely bad welding, quality problems! Not even 2,000, it was so bad that I had to saw it if not things could start to fall through big holes, luckily I was on tour during dry season and had no rain but no waterproofness anymore.
I had a good response from Vaude and they backed up their product and replaced the panniers but I was on tour in Colombia and the panniers were sent to my place in Norway, had to pay the import tax in Norway too €60.
A the end you don’t buy to claim warranty and all the hassle that comes with it but to have a product that will last so I’m very disappointed with Vaude and moving to Ortlieb.
We feel the same way, although our Ortlieb “Sport Roller Free” are also starting to fall apart now. We have a feeling it might be related to the PVC free products from both Vaude and Ortlieb, as we have not heard of these problems with the “standard” Ortlieb series.
@@louisaandtobi Interesting point! I just ordered the Ortlieb Gravel-Pack, hoping for a good long lasting product.
Dear sir , ortlieb is a bag producer for so many years and their focus is on bags ..second it may be so that the other brand says to produce eco nice but it sees to me that in 15 years time you neem 3 times or four times as much replacement its wurser. 3 many times a problemen arices when something has to be eco frendly. While their einfach no solution is . I look this week for the frist time for bags and loopt good and i came to ortlieb while the intention from vaude was sertainly well reasiond but not meet the standerd for heavy use.....at last a heve respect for you both exploring mother earth nature habitants but certainly the harsness of this kind of travelling and certainly when trucks and cars do not think of the vulnerability of their brother and sisters bikers, good luck on your Journey mother earth..
I appreciate the honesty of the review, however i do feel that Vaude should also be given a chance having ortlieb while a great brand as monopoly would not benefit the cycling community
I have no idea how Ortlieb makes money. My Back-Rollers from around 2005 are still in everyday use and I don't even need the spare parts I can still buy.
Same here. Except for the fact that mine are from 2000 or so. 🙂
Great review, but what about the size of the bags?
The advantage of the Vaude Aqua Back panniers is the larger size of 24 liters compared to the 20 liters standard Ortlieb Back Rollers. But Ortlieb also provides the newer 35 liters "pro" variant of the Back Roller model.
Just wanted to like and subscribe with my adventure-profile as well! Hopefully I'll also be able to start sharing some videos soon. 😊
Arkel! Arkel ! Arkel! Only Arkel! ;-)
We’ll have to check them out! 😊
Ich kann mich zu Vaude-Produkten nicht āußern, meine Ortlieb-Taschen sind jedoch nach 20 Jahren immer noch absolut staub-und wasserdicht. Die Distanzhülsen für unterschiedliche Rohrstarken gehen sehr schnell verloren. Das Design könnte hier besser sein. Die Plastikschrauben für die Hakenverstellung sollten umgehend mit Imbusschrauben aus Stahl ausgetauscht werden. Die Plastikschrauben leiern alle aus und werden unbrauchbar.
Die Lenkertaschenbefestigung mit dem Drahtseil ist nicht gut ausgedacht und erfordert eine Fieselei.
Ich benutze mittlerweile das Arkel-System aus Aluminium und bin damit seit Jahren sehr zufrieden. Die Arkel-Taschen sind wahnsinnig teuer, nicht wasserdicht und haben zuviel Außentaschen-Schnickschnack.
Danke für die Meinung und Einschätzung! 😊
Die Lenkertaschenhalterungen von Klickfix sind kompatibel. Die hat nur ein Seil, um die Halterung waagrecht zu halten.
Außer der Halterung für die Pro-E-Tasche mit den Kontakten verwende ich nur Klickfix.
Don't know anything about Ortlieb....never owned anything from them.
But the customer service / warranty / availability and price of replacement parts could not possibly be any worse than with Vaude.
Vaude is a terribly managed company. Avoid.
Even in Germany the Service of Vaude is really bad. I was a convinced User of their Products for more than 20 Years. Since nearly ten years i don’t buy there stuff anymore!
Do you know the panniers from Büchel? They look quite similar to the actual ones from Vaude and have the same connection system - at least it looks like. Just ordered them for cheap from an Online store (Norma24) - they have an action price (maybe old model - don't know and don't care). Hope they are as sturdy as Vaude and/or Ortlieb. The Ortlieb is definetly nice, but it comes with a price tag i have to think twice and i don't use them really often (maybe 1-3 times/year) for multiple-day river or lake tours.
I like Vaude as a company, but have also seen so many people with broken Vaude panniers, that I would never *ever* consider them. My five-year-old Ortlieb panniers (front and back) are luckily still in great shape, so I also have no reason to consider switching 🙂.
If you dont want Vaude strap dangling in your spokes then buckle it up. No one is going to ride with the strap unbuckled.
I think you are just nit picking and looking for faults with vaude.
Check Arkel
There is no reason to buy another brand than Ortlieb! Ortlieb ist cheaper, better, simpler and the service is amazing. The strap on the top is really stupid on the Vaude panniers, this one is really dangerous in the spokes. We have 10 bags vom ortlieb in my family, we we give our best every year 10000 km, but ortlieb is better. In my experience the Ortlieb Back-Roller Classic with PVC are more durable than the free ones. I have 3 free bags since this spring and there are not abrasion resistant.
J’ai les 2 et les « coutures » thermocollées du Vaude ont laché !!! Elles sont inutilisables, après seulement 2 voyages. Habitant à l’est de L’Afrique, le retour est compliqué, et la paire est coûteuse. Je regrette l’achat des Vaude.
Too long and I don't understood what is the best in quality!!! 😞
I couldn't imagine not buying high quality equipment because of pvc and ecological.
Well technically there shouldn’t be any quality differences in the products with or without PVC.
@Chains & Chords The point I'm making is, high quality "aka" lasts a long time. Thus, the ecological impact of the pvc would be minimal at best. To each their own I suppose.
@@jaba8625 That's true, using a product for a long time, even if it may have negative environmental impacts, is pretty much the best thing you can do. But unfortunately for us there was no way of knowing before that the PVC free versions wouldn't last.