These two are such a good complement to each other. Marshall and his ability to be fascinated by everything and to always find value. Stan and his pragmatism and skepticism.
@@Edinburgh1000 You have to remember these two are friends, and they know better than us how far they can push each other's buttons. I have lots of friends that can tell me an idea is stupid without feeling disrespected by it.
@@Edinburgh1000 In the past, a different me would have agreed because I used to over analyze things, like body language and the like, etc. The thing is these two are probably just fine, and you have been locking in on something that is being misread completely. Here's a fact: go watch Stan and Aaron Blaise chatting together. Stan is a little sarcastic towards him too, but ultimately, this is who he is. Is it wrong? Not really. Because at the end of the day, Stan gives respect to all of them. I suggest that instead of going on a tangent that satisfies your own suspicions, you take time to look for the good stuff Stan does bring to the table. Again, Stan sometimes plays the "Devil's Advocate" to fill in the skeptics questions or perspectives in the comments. Do you get what I mean? It might not even be "his" opinion in many of these cases.
I like how Stan is skeptical of the book at first and then starts to give it a few nods then eventually brings in his Principle vs Technique concept to apply to the dogfighting example from the book. It's a real conversation, instead of so much polarizing chatter that exists out there right now. Just the way you guys discuss things makes me excited about Proko 2.0!
I have a theory. It's not exactly Marshall's singing we love, but the wholesomeness behind it all. I believe if we were all in a room with Marshall and we were "oohing" and "ahhing" over his singing, he'd stop us and say, "Come now! Surely I'm not the greatest singer you've ever heard! I'm not a Frank Sinatra, or a John Lennon! I've never understood why the students love this whole bit." Which brings me to the "why" most of us love it. Sure, there's some of you who think it's his singing you love, BUT I believe it's actually because he's just a wholesome person and he reminds us of our grandparents or a beloved teacher we once knew back then.
yes this exactly, Marshall is free to be himself without the burden of being self conscious about how good or bad the singing may sound. maybe we love that because it inspires us or gives us the permission to be free with our art and stop being self conscious. Marshall's having fun so were having fun! I always warm up drawing listening to them on Tuesday, and it seems to always go great because I notice im having fun listening to the draftsmen podcast!!! Marshall is helping to free me from my crippling artistic insecurity!!
@@TaterProduction I agree mostly with this. I wouldn't say I like his singing just because I like him. I like him because what his singing signals about him: openness and emotional vulnerability, affability, comfortability with oneself, wit, etc.
Few points to note. Success is not dictated by an individual formally. A Successful individual is a product of reference and reflective measure self assessment device by a society. Whether it is selection or election and everything else. Society decides to put something up or down. Because human beings are not isolated minds but they are networked minds trying to achieve something. All successful people stand on the shoulders of others who let them up.
This is super educational. Has anyone from Netflix and Hulu and Audible and some other streaming platforms ever considered making a series based on your interests, utilizing your excellent voice to narrate what intrigues you and why??
Marshall there's a good documentary you might like called Shawshank: The Redeeming Feature, all about how The Shawshank Redemption went from being a box office flop to becoming one of the most beloved films of all time on video, via word of mouth. That film shows that exposure AND quality isn't always enough. I remember when it came out, it got rave reviews. But because it's so drab and grey-brown looking, and the title is so weird and dumb-sounding, and Tim Robbins is such a schmucky, dorky-looking guy, because of those things even all the critics screaming about it being great wasn't enough to make it succeed. It was simply too boring-looking and weird title-having. It needed a longer, slower process of people kind of finding out how good it is for themselves by watching it, and then recommending it to others.
LUCK is always a big factor in success. A lot of successful people do not like to admit they are where they are JUST BECAUSE THEY GOT LUCKY. Persistence helps, but there are legions of people who persist and never once succeed.
I think it's such a defeatist attitude sure some get lucky but if most people use their wits and all the things avaliable to them they can find success
You are amazing! You understand so much about your public, that I, here in Brazil understand everything that you say in the podcast. The magic is real, talk about you feel, true stories, and your true followers come. And always when you talk, I wanna talk too! Schedule a live podcast, just once, please!
About what people say they want versus what they actually want, Malcolm Gladwell has an amazing TED talk about spaghetti sauce (and more) that explores exactly that.
I just pause the video to comment. 100/120k dollars a year it's just... unimaginable for me. Like, UNIMAGINABLE. That's the value of a good apartment in Sao Paulo, the most expensive city in Brazil. I could live as an IMPERATOR in, ahn, Buenos Aires, Montevideo, any city in South America, actually. It's just a ridiculous amount, and amaze me Marshal (who I love of all my hearth), think this an "ok" amount for an artist to earn (not because we didn't worth it, but just because it's just off charts worldwide thinking). Fml, I could live for 10 years with 120k dollars...
Im reading Marshall's recommended book on perspective by Joseph D'amelio. Joseph recommends showing only objects within the cone of vision, basically spreading the vanishing points apart(stepping back from the object) to avoid distortion. My question is, is there a situation where showing perspective distortion okay?
I think stan is angry about marshalls deciding to read many parts so he keeps grinning nervously and sometimes replying disrespectfully. I normally think this is part of their chemistry and helps the discussion move forward but not in this one. I'm halfway through tho
Breaking Fads.. Its a imaginary show about a teacher and a student. They invent interest about creating yourself up as you go. In an entertaining way. LOL!
Well, this is valuable to us who's about to start a facebook page or a tiktok page 'cause it shows a way to make it in an unorthodox way. Thank you. May God bless you guys. 👋🙂♥️🔥🔋
Why not an episode on Jeet Kune Do Rock a noggin like a dojo He moves like me, Mizu, water flow. That's the art of Yamaoka Tesshu Yo Im like a Wong-Jack Man But I speak like this to be heard. I mean no offense. Your question of what makes successful flow is deserved.
The short: Be brave. Luck favors the bold. The long: Gestalt Two hands come together to make a shape. Out of 2 is made 1 but there is 3. Zazen circle = success. There is no one thing. 1 is also a prime number. Primes... Incalculable Humility. What's the point? I can say: Stan Lee Spider-Man Red and Blue 8 Legs ...??? Nani!!! South Korean Flag Let's begin again: Stan Lee WW2 Cypher codes!!!!!!! Ah... so you see. The answer is an answer that is not an answer. Last time: Stan Lee WW2 Cypher Codes 70s Thor Norse Runes (think Elvish and Tolkien) Vietnam Warfare South Korea South Korean Flag Red Blue Spider-Man 8 legs 8 Numbers South Korean Flag (has binary on it) Cypher codes use Binary Gottlieb's Cypher Stan Lee Why does Stan Lee write himself as a teenage kid? Why does he also struggle to be a superhero among other writers? Was he cursed with Frazetta's pain... Never good enough UNTIL! The 70s Why Stan? Why Marshall? Why did Stan Lee suddenly come to terms with himself as a writer in the 70s, during the Vietnam conflict? Did he study languages when making Thor? Do runes look like math? What's the history of Arabic numerals? Funny how Arabic and Hindu base languages are so similar. Funny how all computers are based on Hindu Sanskrit... I wonder what Kanji is? I wonder what happens when people like Stan Lee piece together language and math? Rosetta stone yeah? I wonder if that's what happened to DaVinci when he made his 10 layered puzzle box about the senses. Crazy how that relates to Walt's Fantasia and synesthesia. All of it is Jackson Pollock. All of it is Kandinsky. Art is abstract. Success is shit. Hell to be honest, art is just metaphysical battle rap. I just spit a buncha stuff at you and it's unique. One person sees it it's valuable? R.Mutt Im stealin the fleet and I aint even gotta be on fleek. Just be a geek and speak without weak links and stand up straight! (Not warbly like a creek). Be yourself, learn SEO. Get to know your food resources. Directors die without food but thoughts suck on Ramen noods. But we just eat what we need to to get through the news and make art to get views to continue to move forward and it never loses... steam even when I get blue. Just call it a period and never stop. Just muse. But the point is that production crews need to eat. Crazy how the flow of your streets and the wine in the sheets are so hand in hand, hip on hip, sorts f^%^,ed if ya think about it. Slip slip slip xP When it comes to being art. It's all art, so it's more target. If you arent solving anything, you're a fable. If you're turning the world, Heracles. Clear them stables. A great artist is already you. To be found. Just be true. I missed passing the handshake to Stan Lee. But metaphorically I hope this helps ya grew-t! Ahahahah xD
25:00 LOL speak for yourself Porko. I want features, not to be told that what I really want is less features, by a bespectacled man in a polo neck. I have no doubt that YOU love that though, and are probably surrounded (some might say imprisoned) by Apple products. Enjoy your 'garden'... try not to think about the walls. And the guards. And the machine guns, and suicide nets. Muhaha!
Can we stop pretending the George Lucas is a visionary? His only good movies are New Hope and Empire Strikes Back because they are the ones he had the least amount of creative control over. His lack of understanding of the world he created and his poor story telling killed his own franchise long before Disney bought it. The only thing Disney has accomplished is to shit all over the corpse. I grew up with star wars but I finally outgrew space wizards with laser swords. If you want good sci-fi, then read Dune.
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I can't wait!
Yessss
Looking forward!
exciting yay
These two are such a good complement to each other. Marshall and his ability to be fascinated by everything and to always find value. Stan and his pragmatism and skepticism.
@@Edinburgh1000 You have to remember these two are friends, and they know better than us how far they can push each other's buttons. I have lots of friends that can tell me an idea is stupid without feeling disrespected by it.
This is it exactly! Well summed, chum! 😚🎶
@@Edinburgh1000 In the past, a different me would have agreed because I used to over analyze things, like body language and the like, etc. The thing is these two are probably just fine, and you have been locking in on something that is being misread completely. Here's a fact: go watch Stan and Aaron Blaise chatting together. Stan is a little sarcastic towards him too, but ultimately, this is who he is. Is it wrong? Not really. Because at the end of the day, Stan gives respect to all of them.
I suggest that instead of going on a tangent that satisfies your own suspicions, you take time to look for the good stuff Stan does bring to the table.
Again, Stan sometimes plays the "Devil's Advocate" to fill in the skeptics questions or perspectives in the comments. Do you get what I mean? It might not even be "his" opinion in many of these cases.
I can't get enough of thumbnails and singings
yesss, this thumbnail was instantly my favorite of course lol, literally made me laugh out loud instantly.
I like how Stan is skeptical of the book at first and then starts to give it a few nods then eventually brings in his Principle vs Technique concept to apply to the dogfighting example from the book. It's a real conversation, instead of so much polarizing chatter that exists out there right now. Just the way you guys discuss things makes me excited about Proko 2.0!
I have a theory. It's not exactly Marshall's singing we love, but the wholesomeness behind it all.
I believe if we were all in a room with Marshall and we were "oohing" and "ahhing" over his singing, he'd stop us and say, "Come now! Surely I'm not the greatest singer you've ever heard! I'm not a Frank Sinatra, or a John Lennon! I've never understood why the students love this whole bit."
Which brings me to the "why" most of us love it. Sure, there's some of you who think it's his singing you love, BUT I believe it's actually because he's just a wholesome person and he reminds us of our grandparents or a beloved teacher we once knew back then.
yes this exactly, Marshall is free to be himself without the burden of being self conscious about how good or bad the singing may sound. maybe we love that because it inspires us or gives us the permission to be free with our art and stop being self conscious. Marshall's having fun so were having fun! I always warm up drawing listening to them on Tuesday, and it seems to always go great because I notice im having fun listening to the draftsmen podcast!!! Marshall is helping to free me from my crippling artistic insecurity!!
@@TaterProduction
I agree mostly with this. I wouldn't say I like his singing just because I like him. I like him because what his singing signals about him: openness and emotional vulnerability, affability, comfortability with oneself, wit, etc.
instant like for marshalls singing 👍
ikr
I think I've learned the most on this episode compared to all the episodes before. Thank you! 💜
As an Industrial Designer we had extensively studied Raymond Loewy in school, its interesting to see how his ideas tie into art and design on general.
Great talk on creating new successful products.
Few points to note.
Success is not dictated by an individual formally.
A Successful individual is a product of reference and reflective measure self assessment device by a society.
Whether it is selection or election and everything else.
Society decides to put something up or down.
Because human beings are not isolated minds but they are networked minds trying to achieve something.
All successful people stand on the shoulders of others who let them up.
This is super educational. Has anyone from Netflix and Hulu and Audible and some other streaming platforms ever considered making a series based on your interests, utilizing your excellent voice to narrate what intrigues you and why??
Hell yeah it's going to be good when there is singing in the intro.
Where is the LOVE button? I’m enlightened so much from the introduction of the first chapter done by Marshall.
the thumbnail is a masterpiece
I usually listen to Draftsmen was I work. Marshall... you got my attention. I stopped working and actually watched the video. Good job.
My FAVORITE podcast hands down!
I'd love to meet them someday and have a chat 😊💕.
Marshall there's a good documentary you might like called Shawshank: The Redeeming Feature, all about how The Shawshank Redemption went from being a box office flop to becoming one of the most beloved films of all time on video, via word of mouth. That film shows that exposure AND quality isn't always enough. I remember when it came out, it got rave reviews. But because it's so drab and grey-brown looking, and the title is so weird and dumb-sounding, and Tim Robbins is such a schmucky, dorky-looking guy, because of those things even all the critics screaming about it being great wasn't enough to make it succeed. It was simply too boring-looking and weird title-having. It needed a longer, slower process of people kind of finding out how good it is for themselves by watching it, and then recommending it to others.
These thumbnails are just so great! I love seeing them pop up.
BRING BACK "WHAT'S YOUR THAAANG!!"
pls
Love your show. Thanks a million times for being there. You guys are great!
Marshall is a gem. Ilove books about ideas too.
Great show! Making yourself and your knowledge accessible is what should really be our currency
LUCK is always a big factor in success. A lot of successful people do not like to admit they are where they are JUST BECAUSE THEY GOT LUCKY. Persistence helps, but there are legions of people who persist and never once succeed.
yeah but even if luck is a factor you still have to do the work
I think it's such a defeatist attitude sure some get lucky but if most people use their wits and all the things avaliable to them they can find success
Luck sure is a factor but its not a " BIG factor.
Great stuff! This channel is quality.
I could hear this books, audio book version in Marshalls voice , so much
you guys are the best!
I picked up this book with my freebook points on Thriftbooks, i like the book reviews guys keep them come’n.
Omg I love so much you both are back ❤🌻
Thinking Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman is a great book that goes into depth about our biases.
really enjoy this... I will be reading this book... I found it very inspiring. Thank you
You are amazing! You understand so much about your public, that I, here in Brazil understand everything that you say in the podcast. The magic is real, talk about you feel, true stories, and your true followers come.
And always when you talk, I wanna talk too! Schedule a live podcast, just once, please!
dois aqui, dona menina!
that book is amazing and really shatters illusions about how popularity works
the absolute joy in seeing an unfamiliar thumbnail pop up in the feed and then seeing "x hours ago"
About what people say they want versus what they actually want, Malcolm Gladwell has an amazing TED talk about spaghetti sauce (and more) that explores exactly that.
thank you guys
Im drawing an original manga and this is great talk for me
Lovely song by Marshall once again
Fantastic episode
Stan jumping up and down like he´s high lol
I’ m not gonna lie, I’ m only here for Marshals singing.
That and the Proko email sent me this way “Lets do this” :D :D
Will proko 2.0 have sculpting lessons?
re: Star Wars... Lucas had 1) never-before-seen computer assisted graphics and 2) John Williams score. All great movies BTW have a great score.
I just pause the video to comment. 100/120k dollars a year it's just... unimaginable for me. Like, UNIMAGINABLE. That's the value of a good apartment in Sao Paulo, the most expensive city in Brazil. I could live as an IMPERATOR in, ahn, Buenos Aires, Montevideo, any city in South America, actually. It's just a ridiculous amount, and amaze me Marshal (who I love of all my hearth), think this an "ok" amount for an artist to earn (not because we didn't worth it, but just because it's just off charts worldwide thinking).
Fml, I could live for 10 years with 120k dollars...
OMFG 14:15 Raymond Loewy is New Vegas' Mr House 🤯
Yes like you said and I sent along your youtube to a fellow writer... I am a painter
56:20 "So there's this infinity..."
"Cause I'm a HIT baby!!" 🤣
Stan reading on his screen while Marshall explains Ooda to him. I feel bad 🥲
ikr rip
Yep your way of disecting these subjects on the Draftsment videos is really good. Perfect shows each time.
Im reading Marshall's recommended book on perspective by Joseph D'amelio. Joseph recommends showing only objects within the cone of vision, basically spreading the vanishing points apart(stepping back from the object) to avoid distortion. My question is, is there a situation where showing perspective distortion okay?
yea if your going for an fish eye view or some really distorted on purpose
...This was not one of the best ones... I mean, Strategies, mindset, openness.. This was awesome!
Marshal is looking like Arthur Morgan from Red Dead Redemption in thumbnail of this video.
You will know Caillbote's painting 'Les raboteurs de parquet' even if you don't know the name.
21:01 Marshall strikes back very elegantly
Why does the animated Stan have Ed Grimley's hair?
Three Principles for success:
1. High Quality
2. Innovation
3. Exposure
4. Luck.
Man, marshall is great, please more podcast focused on marshall interests and not fucking crypto currency shit.
Phew, I don't have to share this because I don't have a big following LOL
I think stan is angry about marshalls deciding to read many parts so he keeps grinning nervously and sometimes replying disrespectfully. I normally think this is part of their chemistry and helps the discussion move forward but not in this one. I'm halfway through tho
Breaking Fads.. Its a imaginary show about a teacher and a student. They invent interest about creating yourself up as you go. In an entertaining way. LOL!
Well, this is valuable to us who's about to start a facebook page or a tiktok page 'cause it shows a way to make it in an unorthodox way. Thank you. May God bless you guys. 👋🙂♥️🔥🔋
I know you masters are saying OODA but all I hear is Gouda
Dog bless you
Ryan Leslie is an amazing artist, highly recommend his early music on UA-cam!
Ehmm, Marshall Wan Kenobi
Orchids
Why not an episode on Jeet Kune Do
Rock a noggin like a dojo
He moves like me, Mizu, water flow.
That's the art of Yamaoka Tesshu Yo
Im like a Wong-Jack Man
But I speak like this to be heard.
I mean no offense.
Your question of what makes successful flow is deserved.
🔥🔥🔥🔥
The short: Be brave. Luck favors the bold.
The long:
Gestalt
Two hands come together to make a shape.
Out of 2 is made 1 but there is 3.
Zazen circle = success.
There is no one thing.
1 is also a prime number.
Primes...
Incalculable
Humility.
What's the point?
I can say:
Stan Lee
Spider-Man
Red and Blue
8 Legs
...??? Nani!!!
South Korean Flag
Let's begin again:
Stan Lee
WW2
Cypher codes!!!!!!!
Ah... so you see.
The answer is an answer that is not an answer.
Last time:
Stan Lee
WW2
Cypher Codes
70s
Thor
Norse Runes (think Elvish and Tolkien)
Vietnam Warfare
South Korea
South Korean Flag
Red
Blue
Spider-Man
8 legs
8
Numbers
South Korean Flag (has binary on it)
Cypher codes use Binary
Gottlieb's Cypher
Stan Lee
Why does Stan Lee write himself as a teenage kid? Why does he also struggle to be a superhero among other writers? Was he cursed with Frazetta's pain...
Never good enough
UNTIL!
The 70s
Why Stan?
Why Marshall?
Why did Stan Lee suddenly come to terms with himself as a writer in the 70s, during the Vietnam conflict?
Did he study languages when making Thor?
Do runes look like math? What's the history of Arabic numerals? Funny how Arabic and Hindu base languages are so similar.
Funny how all computers are based on Hindu Sanskrit...
I wonder what Kanji is?
I wonder what happens when people like Stan Lee piece together language and math? Rosetta stone yeah?
I wonder if that's what happened to DaVinci when he made his 10 layered puzzle box about the senses. Crazy how that relates to Walt's Fantasia and synesthesia.
All of it is Jackson Pollock.
All of it is Kandinsky.
Art is abstract.
Success is shit.
Hell to be honest, art is just metaphysical battle rap.
I just spit a buncha stuff at you and it's unique.
One person sees it it's valuable? R.Mutt Im stealin the fleet and I aint even gotta be on fleek. Just be a geek and speak without weak links and stand up straight! (Not warbly like a creek).
Be yourself, learn SEO.
Get to know your food resources.
Directors die without food but thoughts suck on Ramen noods. But we just eat what we need to to get through the news and make art to get views to continue to move forward and it never loses... steam even when I get blue. Just call it a period and never stop. Just muse.
But the point is that production crews need to eat. Crazy how the flow of your streets and the wine in the sheets are so hand in hand, hip on hip, sorts f^%^,ed if ya think about it. Slip slip slip xP
When it comes to being art.
It's all art, so it's more target.
If you arent solving anything, you're a fable.
If you're turning the world, Heracles.
Clear them stables.
A great artist is already you.
To be found.
Just be true.
I missed passing the handshake to Stan Lee. But metaphorically I hope this helps ya grew-t! Ahahahah xD
Better would be, don't stop the fact that others are only zipping stop you from zagging
Keystone lol
1:04:38 well lets hope my asian parents dont know that im doing it knowing that theres no certified success lol
40
Ww
Nostalgia critic
1:01:00 you're describing only fans
25:00 LOL speak for yourself Porko. I want features, not to be told that what I really want is less features, by a bespectacled man in a polo neck. I have no doubt that YOU love that though, and are probably surrounded (some might say imprisoned) by Apple products. Enjoy your 'garden'... try not to think about the walls. And the guards. And the machine guns, and suicide nets. Muhaha!
Meh, I recommend The Meditations by Marcus Aurelius or the Tao Te Ching by Lao Tzu. Both books are far superior than most books published today.
Why would you like to be Famous @stan? Why?
I don't want to be famous.
I just want be able to draw well.
Love your podcasts but adverts every five mintues gets a little jarring.
Stan has an extreme capitalist mentallity
Can we stop pretending the George Lucas is a visionary? His only good movies are New Hope and Empire Strikes Back because they are the ones he had the least amount of creative control over. His lack of understanding of the world he created and his poor story telling killed his own franchise long before Disney bought it. The only thing Disney has accomplished is to shit all over the corpse. I grew up with star wars but I finally outgrew space wizards with laser swords. If you want good sci-fi, then read Dune.
Can proko just disappear so we can listen to Marshall.
No. Can you just disappear so we don't have to put up with YOU?
@@sindarpeacheyeisacommie8688 calm down…. I don’t think he actually meant it.
i love them both but why does stan need to say "that doesn't interest me" when marshall says something like jeeez im interested
Marshall's verbosity is exhausting.