A few words on twincharging - 4agzte - twincharged corolla AE82/FXGT/FX16
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- Presentation of my twincharged system and few words on twincharging theories that you can find on variety on forums from my perspective. Do not be afraid of twincharging its pure fun to have boost everywhere :-)
I described whole process of twincharging 4agze here: www.rollaclub.c...
bypass valve vid is here: • Bypass Valve in Twinch...
This video was extremely informative, I also read your build on the forum and I just have to thank you for putting the time put the correct information in one place.
Thanks man that was my aim.
All I can say is "nice video", very good info, congratulations from Mexico City.
thanks mate.
nicely done and on a Toyota to boot. I'm currently working on a 7mgte based version, only I plan to feed the turbo into the sc. Glad to see a video with some good info in it.
Thank you thank you thank you for this great vid! as you said in your video its hard to find information and this vid has summed it all up and cleared things for me! Hope i can one day soon build me a supercharged setup for my car.
Thanks and hope you will get your setup eventually
If you don't want to suck through the supercharger you could probably use Reed valves from a 2 stroke as a bypass valve.
Doing similar, except my turbo blows into a roots blower, and then opens the charger bypass at 1bar allowing the turbo to take over more in the top end.
Eaton M122 and Borgwarner EFR
Did you get this done?
Thank you, opened my eyes to a few possibilities. I'm planning a twin-charged setup now on a Mitsubishi 4G63 stroker 2.3L, I'm thinking eaton M62 and a GT35. The M62 also has a clutch to turn on/off, I'd like to know more about what kind of restriction it is (to max turbo flow) when turned off (you claim 20hp "loss" in your setup, if anywhere close to that then totally reasonable).. and it also would be adding a small amount of heat to the intake air as its sucked past the already hot supercharger blades.. good water/air intercooler core before the throttle body should be adequate.
that is correct. throttle boody is after supercharger and turbo. Just before intake manifold.
I really want to see this build with a 7A bottom end
with the right turbo you could have almost the same power band for a lot less expense like twin scroll turbo from older evo 5-9 with a smaller exhaust side like 9T (evo 10 turbo is 10.6T) that would make boost from 3-3500rpm.
great information greetings from Texas!
Somewhere on here is a good vid VW's twin charging system and how they turned 1.3L into a fun to drive engine with better m.p.g than a single, larger component. It was a GDI series where the SC kicks in first, than cuts off when the turbo reaches higher rpm's. but I think it was for sale in Europe in that format. Haven't seen or heard of one in the states yet. Whatismynamedammit, is twin charging or because it's a 4AGE in that car the reason the engine is transverse?
christopherb27, its AE82 so fwd thats why engine is traverse.
i have a same engine on a fxgt can i get some contact as i also want to turbo my car seeking for help
Great video! You make some good and valid points. I'm looking at doing the same to my 2L SR20VE motor in the near future. I was wondering, if your throttle body downstream or upstream of the supercharger? From what I can see, it looks like it's on the plenum after the turbo?
Hello I see this video is over 8yrs old but I just found it, I am looking to twin charge my 4a-gez Mr2. I can do some mechanics but I am not an expert. I am looking for someone to do it right for me or point me in the right direction. I am in south west Michigan.
How are your vacuum lines setup to the supercharger? What management are you using? and what boost is the sc12 running (what you main crank size)? I'm going to attempt this on my 200sx your videos have given great insight thanks.
Great Video, with valuable insight with turbo and supercharger. I would still would go normal aspirated engine..blue cylinder head, deck the block, rebore the block, High compression piston,lightned flywheel to aluminum, bigger values on the cylinder head, deck the cylinder head, limit slip the gearbox, add better injections, lightned core rods, or Change Ecu to Gotec Ecu or remap orginal Ecu..
Donaven Naidoo N/A also gives fantastic feeling I would definately also want one more toy pure N/A style. Force induction gives you this brute force feeling. When you go N/A and throw tons of money you still wont get that feeling. N/A is more about this "I'm in control" feel and engine screaming. hard to resist as well.
great build. but has much more potential. i tried this some years ago but the turbo shaft broke because the exhaust gas speed did not match supercharge exit speed. so becareful of that when increasing boost. i am doing a k20 twinboost now. using a diverter valve.
+Craig Williams Thanks Craig I dont really plan to increase boost anymore. Twin boost = twincharge or two turbos in your case?
Great video man!
peak boost? do you have some charts? the one I have (evox - td05h-152g6-12t) picks up rather suddenly by itself on 4age and makes peak boost at about 4,5krpm - the feeling i completely different from twincharge - just not as smooth.
i did look it up. Nice setup man.
just how you turn your supercharger on/off ? i am working on a different kind of twin charging just want that answer
Michel Tairy supercharger is turned on when throttle is more than 50% open and is turned off after 5,7krpm. So basically you can engage it anytime by pressing gas pedal more than 50%.
+Michel Tairy 4AGZE stock have an electronic clutch similar to that on Air Conditioning compressors. Functionally the same.
How much extra additional horsepower does it produce now after it got twin-charged?
setup was about 300hp
@@WhatIsMyNameDamnIt Wow not bad, thanks for the information
I hear a lot of people saying theres a bypass valve to bypass the supercharger when its not running and also so that the turbo does not over ref the sc when its not on
thats right in my current spec I use bypass valve. Have one vid just about bvalve on my channel.
WhatIsMyNameDamnIt whats your setup
Jean Westley sc12 supercharger -> bypass valve(described in detail in one of my vids) -> td05 evo x turbo -> intercooler -> throttle body -> intake manifold
ok cool so what power are you making and whats your mpg
Jean Westley currently 271hp, 299Nm. mpg? :-) when i drive gently below 4k rpm its very low - I would say definately below 10l/100km. If I step on it I do not even want to know.
I'm about to put in my second GZE in my AE92 after I blew it. My question is, For your set up is you SC12 Blow off valve still working with twin charge?
no. from stock setup i have nothing left when it comes to manifolds and piping so there is no abv anymore. checkout thread mentioned in description.
Basically its aibox > supercharger > bypass valve > turbo > intercooler > here is bypass valve >custon intake manifold with throttle body > engine
Question why r u running the supercharger into the turbo and not as its own system so the supercharger give u low down boost pressure while the turbo spools up giving you a better over all power that what i did and what horsepower an torque is it making mines is 562hp in a rwd configuration in a ae85 corolla
yeamurder187 less piping and it behaves exactly the same way you describe numbers are in the vid i believe not as impressive as yours i just run 1.2b
How was the distributor relocated? I tried searching a relocator kit and can't find one.
Nice setup btw
if you mean spark distributor then it was not relocated in my case since I am basing on last 4agze gen which was DLI
is it possible to do this setup running the charger at full time and then turbo high end
it is possible but there are at least few reasons not to do this:
1. good turbo, when spolled up, will outperform supercharger and provide enough boost that you will have to limit it anyway not to blow your engine
2. supercharger is a parasite. it takes power from your engine. the higher you rev it the more power it leeches from your engine. It is best to remove sc from the equation at some point to remove its parasitic effect
3. supercharger heats up the air enormously. and again the more rpms the more heat it generates into the equation - you don't really want that
supercharger is great but for low end. when things rev faster turbo should play its song undisturbed and not to be held back by sc. Of course I guess not disengaging the sc would simplify the amount of work to be done but well it has some drawbacks. gl with your tune
@@WhatIsMyNameDamnIt ahh i figured it would cause something to that affect thank you for the advice
can you install that on mazda 6 2.5 ??????
I put a td05 16g6 10.6t on a 1.8 (bmw m42b18 engine) and it starts to make boost from 2500-3000rpm and full bost from 3500-4000rpm depending on gear, with a smaller hot side(like 9.8t or 9.0t) wood be better for wider power band just minor limiting top end power: 10.6t wold be 380hp max, 9.8t 360hp
nice man. what boost?
''supercharger is turned on when throttle is more than 50% open and is turned off after 5,7krpm. So basically you can engage it anytime by pressing gas pedal more than 50%'' but how do you make that happen ?? :o
+danilo gonzalez just set it up in standalone thats all
In regards to the mr2 . Would you have to upgrade the cooling systems?
I would say so. Mr2s cooling system is not that good fom the get go so if you are boosting more in any way upgrate of cooling would be more than welocme.
How many powers on wheels ?
Did you have to use stand alone if so which did you use?
yes of course. I use Ecumaster EMU standalone.
Htv1320 Harrop rootsstyle supercharger and T4 turbo
How do you get the Supercharger/Turbo to Turn on and Off at the right time?
6:22 ECU disengages supercharger around 5,500RPM once the turbo is fully spooled. He bypasses the supercharger in later video so the turbo isn't restricted by the idle supercharger.
standalone operates sc magnetic clutch and bypass valve. Arkasai underlined that perfectly. Thanks.
Is your car FWD and why is the engine upside down?
Akmal Manan its backwards man. Not upside down. Its out of a mr2
Hey man. Just a quick question. What kind of IATS were you seeing AFTER the super AND turbocharger. SO, i guess, right before the intake manifold. Im about to do an mr2 in this same fashion.
thank you sir.
IATS?
Intake air temperatures. You have an intake air temperature sensor on there correct? Most ecus have a compensation map for intake air temp.
Evan Ashlie When I had no bypass valve I had set the alarm to 60deg c and could reach it sometimes. Then I changed exhaust to bigger diameter (from 2,25 to 3'') and it loweredintake temps about 10degs. After installin bypass valve problem is non existent - temps are really low since in high revs only turbo pumps (supercharger is the main air heater)
Thats what i figured. Excellent. I will be doing a slightly different setup that MAY be more efficient than air to air. I plan to do a 500 hp water to air core in the trunk of the Mr2. I will then have a pump running all the liquid thru a heat exchanger. Not quite sure where to put that..but im sure i will figure it out. Im thinking on the decklid. Will let you know how it goes. Thank you for the information.
Evan Ashlie
I'd love to see what you come up with for a setup like that. I've been wanting to try something similar using a water/air exchanger pumping to a water block clamped to the cold side of a few decent sized peltier coolers, the focus being to retain the heat reduction of a larger system in a much smaller layout.
This is engine is from a92 or ae101?
AE101 GT-Z Levin
Please show what ecu electrics setup you have
The system was running on ecumaster EMU - this one www.ecumaster.com/products/emu/
Very cool!
4age family should stick together ;-)
yeah i guess you could summarize it in these two words :-)
thats packed in there
Will 4AGE perform better than its supercharged brother?
in what conditions? on street there is no comparision. forced induction rules (in general in my opinion). On track particulary in longer run NA has advantage since forced induction has always some issue with heat and you have to be careful.
@@WhatIsMyNameDamnIt So if i want to have a 4A engine that is a high rev as my daily i should stick to 4AGE instead of going for its Supercharged brother? I'll put this in corolla when i get the budget
@@crowgaming4589 which corolla?
@@WhatIsMyNameDamnIt Ae101. But i think GZE is fun
@@crowgaming4589 gze is brilliant. i would not recommend standard 4age to ae101 or ae111 since they are noticably heavier and these engines dont really impress in that package (i had opportunity to use e11 with silvertop). gze has that punch to it because of torgue.
I want to twin charge a mx-5
is this a 20 valve?
4agze 3rdgen(ae101) 16v
Not really my z is 1900 hp on a cast wheel bws510 on 47psi
seems like this is reversed. Turbo should be feeding the supercharger then to the motor so it compound charges it
TC has few layouts. What you say is just one of them. Disadvantage of that solution is that sc has to work all the time and parasites on your engine constanty heating up air. On the other hand its easier to setup and you do not need bypass valve.
i didnt catch in your video it had a bypass.
im actually twincharging my bike. thats how i found your vid.
Can you twin charge on carbs ?
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yes... you can, but its harder to do, most carbed cars are easier to supercharge, but you might have to build your own turbo kit and make it work together.
good stuff.... I just finished my setup...here it is: .ua-cam.com/video/S3jJ7lzaynA/v-deo.html It made 441 torque at 3500rpm on 17PSI...compounded boost 10PSI SC and 8PSI turbo....turbo feeding SC. On this video it was 38 degree celcius outside and 80%humidity so only made 14-15PSI.. but I have a good 10 psi that I could use by twisting my BLV
That is fucking crazy.
dude check out my built
Super Cool Anan :)
sure man I will look it up during weekend
U like miss Sandra
Pretty Cool!!!
Did you know your setup is slow AF
well you have something in common then ;-) but seriously it was pure fun this car - i never aimed for quarter miles times - the beauty of it was that it could handle most corners
in 3rd gear. I don't own it anymore - went for the next adventure.