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What's the Best Waves Tape Plugin: J37 vs Kramer
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- Опубліковано 16 лис 2020
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I think the Kramer is really underrated. It can bring so much live into a master with the right flux and input/output balance.
Very true! It's a good one with a lot of versatility!
Thanks for watching!
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I totally agree. I own both of these plugs. If I am doing hard or above, I always use the Kramer tape on the master bus. I do this because it makes the left and right guitars on a LCR rock mix get "that sound" as well as it helps the mid section get punchy and mix well with the left and right. The big trick for me is to set the input to -15 and the out to +15. It works way better on the master bus with a super low input.
@@MonstarMk3 I'll try to use this in my production, interesting!
Excellent video! I got both and J 37 is my choice all day long, I use it for orchestral stuff, cinematic sound and especially strings.
I find the Kramer to be more interesting on my mix buss. I hear it add dimension. It seems to take what was coming at my ears as wide and flat, and it adds depth to the bottom and creates some sense of perceived motion that’s apparent when you disengage the plug-in after listening to the mix with it on for a while. You hear that something ‘good’ has gone away. I know it’s impossible to explain these things well, but I try. I don’t get the aforementioned effect with the J37. When I put it on, My ears are saying “so…where is it?” I don’t know if it’s just me, but I will continue to play with the J37 to see if I unlock something magical there. Everyone online is all about the J37, so either I’m missing something or the Kramer is just more for me.
Mannnn...I agree....I use Krammer on EVERY MASTER
How has your attitude towards the two aged since posting your comment? Just about to get one of them, and the "something good"-effect would definitely win me over.
I’ve been using j37 for years ona my master to give the finally mix the analog warmth from all the digital sounds.. I use j37 on individual tracks as well but I can see the Kramer being used ina mix where needed. Logic Pro and waves plug-ins all day!!
that 888 setting sounds so good with the song
I think you nailed their strengths really well. The J37 is a work horse for me. I'll reach for it often to flavour an instrument if it sounds a little sterile or needs some movement by applying some subtle delay. Both do a really nice slap and are great to have on an aux. Agreed, get both if you can but the J37 will give you more of a tool kit.
Hey Luke! Thanks for watching! The J37 seems like the more versatile option - glad to hear it works well for you!
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I’ve used Kramer Tape for years on my masters. The big and open preset has been my go too. But I can’t lie! The way that the j37 makes the kick sound is better than Kramer tape in my opinion! Also it has more features. I might have to check it out!
Thanks for the video!
This is a great video. Thank you! I've used the Kramer Tape for years, but just picked up the J37. I look forward to trying it out.
Hey James! Same! Hopefully the J37 works well for you.
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Any thoughts?
@@toddthomas4761 Honestly, I like the J37 better for most applications. It has a smoothness and openness that sounds great.
@@TantraJames Brilliant... thank you.. I was about to buy the J37!
@@toddthomas4761 good choice!
Neither one of them is the "best". I use both. They both do different things and sound differently on instruments, tracks and/or master. If you can get them on sale, pick up both.
I just picked up Softube's Tape machine, and it also sounds different than J37&Kramer, but puts a nice presence on the Master or instrument track.
BUY THEM ALL! and experiment what works for your track or song.
Great video, thanks for taking time to do this comparison.
For me the simpler the better. Kramer is a go to on my master bus. But i still need to try j37.
This video explain so well how this plugin works ! thanks for that
I like that song!!! It has a very nice groove!!! ‘...It’s All A Bluff”
Hey PharaohLawLess1! Thanks for watching - it's a good one for sure!
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Own 'em both...like 'em both!
Hey Loco Ed! Thanks for watching - cool to hear you use them both!
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Hi, I'm find some plugins to replace UAD plugin, they are:
UAD Oxide Tape
Empirical Labs Distressor
UAD UA 610
Aims：Bus/return track
UAD Oxide Tape----> Make Bass and drums together
Empirical Labs Distressor --------->Glue everything but the kick and sub
UAD UA 610- A ---->Make stero material feel more analog
Nice! Pls do more plugin comparisons!
Sounds good! Thanks for watching!
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I've had the Kramer for a while and just decided to use it on a mock master and it has added that something that was missing before
Nice! Yeah it definitely has a great sound.
I believe this is going on all my instrument tracks...while im mixing.......a little of this on each track would be more beneficial than putting on your master bus.....this has a very faded analog sound which makes it nice for for individual tracks...but on master bus...this saturation is to faded sounding....
IMHO - I tried out demos of both but went ahead and bought the Kramer - I love the controllable depth and warmth it offers for thump on the bottom end (specifically what it can do to the kick, subs and bassline) and couldn't match that effect with the J37. Also, it seemed like J37 was more CPU intensive and all its extra bells and whistles were gimmicks I wouldn't use much... I use the Kramer on every track!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! You're right they're both good but the Kramer definitely has a greta sound to it.
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@@sageaudio Hey for anyone trialling Kramer Master Tape, I strongly recommend checking out these presets in particular - both are outstanding and I just slightly tweak them for each track if required:
* Pres11 KIK in ur face
* Pres33 Mastering Soft Clean Compression
@@Peter-gu9ph which would you say is better for adding saturation to the master buss for hip hop tracks?? Thank you.
@@Peter-gu9ph mastering soft clean compression is a cheat code, I use it on most of my masters.
@@Peter-gu9ph I use that master clean preset on a few of my tracks.
I have both plugins, and I like them both. But if I had to pick one I like more, it would be the J37. Sometimes I like to use both plugins together on a send for some interesting layered delay effects.
Hey Daedalus! Thanks for watching and leaving a comment! That sounds like a good idea - use one for coloration and the other as a tape delay.
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The Kramer is killer for reducing peak level and adding perceived loudness to individuals sums (say, the snare).
I have both, and I must say I like the Kramer better. I never got really good results with the J37, namely the sound on Beatles records (I know, many variables more), but I mean like the McCartney I album, which was recorded to the J37. I don't seem to get that kind of gritty acoustic guitar. With the Kramer though I get great fat sounds by using flux. It's less subtle, and not just saturates, but fattens as well, whereas the J37 just distorts. For delay effects, I like the J37 better. Actually, I get a pretty convincing ADT by sending a dry signal to an aux and delaying 40 ms with slight saturation. But if I want beefy kick drums, fat basses or add weight to snares, the Kramer is what I use.
For sure - I think J37 has something cool to it, but the Kramer is a little more useful (at least for me) but that seems to be the same for other people that've tried both. I'll try the J37 for some tape delay though, since I usually just use the kramer for same tape delay at 160ms.
This is a great explanation of the plugs . thank u fr the knowledge . Thx fr going in depth 🙏🙏🙏 the j37 is obviously the best choice fr me if had to choose one but the Kramer is definitely worth using and has a great sound , vibe , and spirit. Why not both. Use em together?! 😀
I just recently purchased both
If you make changes in the settings and on/off the plug in when the audio track totally changes in the arrangement it makes it very hard to properly discern the effects of the unit. You should just loop the same section to make the differences more distinctive please and thank you.
Thanks for the demos. I find the kramer adds a more pleasing character even though it's less versatile. Does it have presets out of the box as well?
Gracias por el video!! Yo prefiero Kramer Tape por su facilidad de uso al tener menos funciones porque lo que busco en el emulador de cinta es el sonido analógico. De todas formas también uso J37 pero al tener más parámetros siempre tardo mas en ajustarlo. Saludos!!
¡Gracias por mirar y compartir sus pensamientos sobre los complementos Kramer y J37!
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts about the Kramer and J37 plugins!
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the kramer compresses WAY harder between the two and is killer for taming transients. Very underrated.
mmmh🤔 have tried out both...
for me and my taste its Kramer Tape that delivered a certain sound i was after. Specially on Vocals, Guitars, Synths, and effs. Could not get this Sound with JP37. The examples provided in this Video are to few and not broad enough. For a decent comparison: More genres.. and more instruments... with both Plugins side by side is needed. Which perfectly could end in wanting to get both.. but me KMT unsurpassed. Thank You. Will try your Mastering!!*
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on both! You're right more testing is needed!
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Good comparison video. Thanks
J37 has a relatively high CPU load (compared to many other plugins). Sounds very good though.
Great video .. Tnx !!
Do you use the plugin on the Master stereo output or when you master the track?
Kramer moves my soul tbh 😇
I like that one too!
HEY, THAT'S GLORIA TELLS... She's amazing,.. Crap, you know her or got her off Epedemic Sounds or sum'em like that. That's crazy.. This that jam bruh.. That's bananas if you mixed this, great reference track.. FACTS!!! DID YOU MIX THIS? Wow, this is bananas.. Bassline crazy.......
Flux is great at taming / smearing sharp transients
Hello there,
I'm curious to know whose song this is.
Thanks for your time!
just got both, not an expert at mastering but got this on my master track for all projects, any preset thats pretty good for most genres, for me I'm usually do pop, rock, rap and hip hop. which preset is good for most of those?
Whats the name of the Demo Song? Soo nice and groovy!
Thats a fire song, I really like the bass. Where can I find it!
Hey Jonas! It's called 'A Bluff' by Gloria Tells
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Really good song
Who sing that sounds fire
Thanks for the idea 🙏🙏
Thanks for watching and leaving a comment!
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I can see putting J37 on Hi Hats and Snares to give them a rounder sound
That's a good idea!
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Yeah....im pretty much convinced Hardware sound can be imitated...about 90% if your mix is full, eqed, each track compressed as a mix before you master....then its easier to imitate hardware on your master bus.....making the High Price of these Hardware Units...sort of out dated and not worth it....
in about 5 years.....they are going to have to cut the cost of the Hardware by at least 60% if they want new young artist or even older once like me....that have taken the Digital sound mixed with Analog on the Computer up to a radio...."I dont need the hardware....level...and I have a rack....
Example
Karacter by PA on the Beginning of your Master bus.....AVOX Warm on the End of it right before limiter....your master will sound like it got ran through a $8000 Reel to Reel
fire track tho!
Thanks for watching - it's a good track for sure!
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what tape plugin is used for the lead sound in the intro? pleas tell me sounds so close to lorn
I’ve tried the Kramer but the J37 definitely wins cus it makes the master louder nd the Kramer makes it sound lower. I make drill nd best results are with j37 also let’s not forget that it’s easier to use
Thanks for sharing your experiences with the 2! Cool to hear how the J37 works better for certain genres than others.
Great video as always thanks 🥳🤗 what's this beautiful song title plz
Hey Asmaros! It's called 'A Bluff' by Gloria Tells
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J37 all day!!
Hey I’m a bit late but do you have the instrumental name😭😭🙏🙏🙏 1:20????
Song name @ 4:40?? very vibey!
"Bluff" by Gloria Tells
Can these plug-ins be used on the master buss?
yes I use kramer on my master bus. be gentle tho
for sure i always use some saturation on my master
I’ve used the J37 for a year but never tried the Kramer…hmm
Try it out! It's worth downloading the demo for sure.
Is the song available anywhere
Sorry I'm not sure!
@@sageaudio Gloria Tells - A Bluff
EPIDEMIC SOUND? JEJEJE
No A/B?....Geeezuzzzz man
6:56
10:58
J37
Wouldn’t it make more sense to use audio examples with music that has real recorded instruments instead of static dynamic and canned drum machine audio? This is like looking at ,and judging a color image through sun glasses….silly
He is lying you need to pay for the “free master” 30$ a month
Thanks for watching! Sorry this video is a few years old - we no longer offer the free mastering sample.