When I first played Tooie, i was going in with the mindset of playing a game exactly like BK (with continued storyline), but with new levels. At first, i was disappointed they werent the same exact format, but later grew to love how intricate BT is, and how everything intertwines and how witty the dialogue is (this is one of my favorite parts lol). Definitely like BT a lot more.
I enjoyed Banjo-Tooie much more than Banjo-Kazooie. In every level and in every new part of the overworld you always have new moves to be learn and to this are added also the bosses present in each level and the secrets like the eggs and the ice key that unlock other new moves and the transformation into dragon-kazooie . My favorite level is Grunty's Industries
I really prefer Tooie, feels like the definitive BK experience to me, also, I love backtracking and all the levels being connected, feels like one big ass world to explore, that is pure magic
I personally preferred BT because of the expanded move set, transformations, and Mumbo who added a greater variety to the game play. I wasn't too crazy about the back tracking and I often got lost in certain levels.
Lost particularly Glitter Gulch, Jolly Roger's, and even Cloud Cuckoo's many colorful cave exits. Grunty's lost - somewhat. It's intricately woven so I'd say I didnt pay much attention as a kid vs revisiting now checking off areas my head
I see Banjo Kazooie as primarily a platforming game, Tooie as primarily a puzzle adventure game e.g. their Monkey Island. I find Kazooie much easier to get in to and can only recommend Tooie to patient hardcore gamers but fair play to Rare in historical terms for not repeating a formula. (although they temporarily lost their character and boldness to me when they released Starfox Adventures and even Kameo feels like just a spin on Starfox Adventures).
I love both games and have finished them at least 3 times each. If I had to pick I'd probably have to go with Kazooie. The smaller, more contained levels and progression just make for a better overall experience imo. I couldn't argue with someone who likes Tooie more though.
Spot on summary and comparison. Played both as a kid and found Kazooie to be more enjoyable, simply because like you said it's easy to get lost and confused in Tooie (especially when you're 7 years old!). I found with Tooie as well that once you unlocked cheats the game became almost too easy. Both classics though, keen to get rare replay and take a trip down memory lane!
They are very similar yet very different games. I probably like Banjo-Kazooie more just for the atmosphere. It's a very slim margin that I chose the original over the sequel. I love them both.
I would say I personally prefer Tooie, I pretty much couldn't put it down once I started. Love both though. One difference that's maybe not as important in the modern day (with high quality ports on the Xbox 360 & One) is that Kazooie had better technical performance. I often wished they had made Tooie with expansion pack support to smooth out the frame rate.
There's literally just a single occurence of all jingies not being collectible in Banjo-Kazooie as you said. And the funny thing is, there's actually 2 jiggies that are candidate for this, but only a single one will fill the role for each playthrough depending on what you do. These jiggies are jiggies in Gobi's Valley and Freezeezy peak as you mentioned. They're both locked behind a specific move (one behind the speed shoes, the other I can't remember) that is unlocked in the other level. So depending on whether you choose to go for Freezeezy or Gobi's first (which if you 100% until this point are both available), you will have a missing jiggy in that level that you will have to collect after completing the other level. Realized that in a playthrough last year and I though it was a fun fact ;)
I'm 100% open to sequels being different than their predecessor and do not go in with expectations that will ruin a game...Banjo-Tooie is a poorly designed, soulless mess of a game.
In Banjo-Kazooie when you die you have to collect all notes in the level again, in Tooie you can continue without losing anything, which is so much better. Dying in a Kazooie level is so frustrating and often I quit the game for the day, in Tooie however you can try out many things and dont have to worry about dying.
Between these two games, I just had Banjo Kazooie as a kid and didn't understand the purpose to completing the game. However playing that game on my phone's Nintendo 64 emulator app, I have gotten used to the controls. I was born in October 1993 so I was 4 years old when that game came out and I think I was 7 or 8 years old when I tried the game out. It was a great game, but at first when I was a kid, I learned I couldn't progress the game without learning any moves to save Tooty from the evil witch, Gruntilda. Some years later here in the early 2020s, I played both games on my phone because we gave our Nintendo 64 to a younger cousin of mine. The same game I played years ago I finally realized I needed to learn some moves to progress later in the game. Collecting 10 jiggies in each of the 9 worlds and 10 in the hub world to make it 100, all 900 of the game's music notes with each of the 9 worlds having 100, collecting extra honeycomb pieces and mumbo tokens to transform into a creature. Freezeasy Peak for example has 2 jiggies that you can only collect if you turn into a walrus. One is if you win the first race against Boggy and the other is the one Wozza has. If Wozza sees Banjo and Kazooie try to take it from him, he will run with it back in his cave until you disguise yourself into a walrus. Banjo Tooie on the other hand, yes it was a good game and it had a variety of new moves from the game providing you have collected at least the required amount of music notes, but this game also required a lot of backtracking compared to Banjo Kazooie which only required 2 if you have trouble beating Mr. Vile in Bubblegloop Swamp. I don't like to backtrack more than maybe 3 times. It's a bummer that Banjo Kazooie doesn't allow you to pick up where you left off on music notes and instead makes you start over and try to beat your score if you play the Nintendo 64 version, but it's still the game that knows how to kick some ass if you ask me.
I've never understood why Tooie is criticized for too many collectibles when in reality he has less than Kazooie. Banjo-Kazooie collector's Numbers: 900 Notes (to be collected one at a time), 100 jiggies, 45 Jinjos, 24 Honeycombs and 75 mumbo tokens (the number of tokens needed for each transformation is: 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 = 75 tokens) + find 3 times the book Cheato. Total collectible: 1147. Tooie: 900 notes grouped but in groups of 5 and one of 20 (so the actual number of notes to be collected is 153), 90 Jiggies, 25 Honeycombs, 25 pages cheato, 17 Glowbos and 45 Jinjos. Total: 355. In addition, the notes and jinjos are reset in Kazooie if you do not take them all at once unlike Tooie. Banjo-Tooie is undoubtedly better than Banjo-Kazooie: it has less collectibles, a boss and a transformation for each level and new moves to learn until the end of the game.
It's more that the collectibles are very spread out and require a lot of work. Some people like kazooie more than Tooie because it's a shorter game that's much more fast paced.
I feel that banjo tooie is not only the best banjo game but also The best game ever I definitely have a bunch of nostalgia for B-T It was the first game I ever played If it wasn’t it could have been crash of the Titans or mind over mutant That’s a relief
Tooie isn’t my favourite game, but it’s on Number 3: 5 Lego City Undercover 4 South Park: The fractured but Whole 3 Banjo Tooie 2 Kingdom Hearts 2 1 Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
I think the next step is to streamline their abilities as many old moves were made obsolete by new moves: lose the pads and switches and a lot of the items. Allow Banjo and Kazooie to split up anywhere that villians won't enter, and you can swap between them anytime: musical notes are "ability energy" for ANY special moves and have puzzles peices be required to be transported as specific spots: Kazooie can only carry one Jiggy at a time while Banjo can store multiple while Kazooie's out of his pack.
If they ever try a Banjo Threeie or Tooka-Laylee, I think it'd be good if the first 40% is a BK1-style, straightforward run through 5-7 themed worlds; with the next 40% being an unlock for more complex missions that sprawl across multiple worlds; 5% being the final level and boss sequence, and the remaining being post-game content on top of whatever non-compulsory missions are leftover. I thought Odyssey's Moonrock missions' habit of remixing ideas introduced in various disparate levels was really neat, but found it sad that they were usually confined to isolated challenge rooms, so it would be nice if that idea could be executed again, but Bigger.
I love banjo kazooie and when I first played tooie back in 2000 at my cousin's house I thought it started great and improved the graphics and movement from the first game. Then as I played the game for a few hours I felt myself getting bored,which never happened in kazooie. I've given the game several chances but I've never beaten it. I just feel it lacks the flow and pick up and play aspect of kazooie due to its oversized levels and backtracking and other tedious aspects. Is it a bad game? No. It's just one I personally can't get into.
Ill say this Banjo Kazooie took me a few days to complete Banjo tooie - oh GOD took me many months to find difficult puzzles and got lost easily in the world and progressing thru the game Ill say Tooie is the better game for the challenge
For me it depends on the mood i have. If i want a lighthearted and simpler adventure, i play BK. If i want a more complex adventure where i can lose myself, i choose BT. And i see the complexity of BT as a positive side effect. Every playthrough feels fresh because of forgetting where i have to go. xD
Tooie was my first video game experience so I believe that is why I am partial to it. I remember begging my mom at Best Buy one day to get the Nintendo 64 just so we could play BT at home. I repurchased an N64 recently and am playing through BT as I never finished it as a kid
I think your argument with Kazooie being more linear only stems from the assumption someone playing is a style that completes a level in one go. The problem is that's always been an *option*, not a *requirement*, which is what draws people to liking Kazooie more. If someone wants to get a few jiggies in Mumbo's Mountain and leave and come back, they can do that. Having the ability to complete a level in chunks or in one go is up to someone (the only real "requirement" making someone do so is notes). I feel that Tooie only adds on complexity by drawing out the steps involved in accomplishing what would be simple tasks, and on top of that, making you traverse more empty levels to reach the areas of interest. The levels in Kazooie are smaller yes, but they're also more closely packed, and I almost never felt like I needed a warp pad, which only barely help in Tooie.
It's true that it's an option, but it's an order the devs clearly wanted the player to move in. If they didn't want the player to visit levels in a particular order, why would levels open in a sequence instead of all being open from the very start? Tooie's complexity is its most controversial design element and it's the #1 reason that I've heard people say it's the lesser of the two. But both linearity and complexity are not necessarily good and bad. It's a matter of preference at the end of the day, and I'd go so far as to say both are good and both are bad.
"If they didn't want the player to visit levels in a particular order, why would levels open in a sequence instead of all being open from the very start?" Couldn't you levy this against Tooie too? Those are opened/encountered in a particular sequence as well. All I was saying is that no one is forced to complete a level in the first go in BK, and that they have the option to do so. Same with what levels you tackle, to a point. Sometimes I do Clanker's Cavern before Bubblegloop. Sometimes I visit Gobi's Valley just for the powerup and return to FreezyPeak, or the other way around. The only thing confining you to doing them in one go is the note score, but you still have the option to get as many as you want as long as it satisfies a note door (and that's with the original game. In the XBLA re-release notes collected stay collected I believe, so that version would give you even more options). Ultimately I think you could reduce most games into being "linear" if you just looked at the end goals. Both Kazooie and Tooie require a majority of the jiggies to be collected before you fight grunty at the end. Since Tooie *requires* you to visit certain stages before completing other ones, you could argue that makes it more linear in the sense that there's specific steps you have to take first if you want to complete a level now. It's jsut now you'll encounter alternate tasks along the way to divert your attention to first if you choose.
The option is always there, yes, but Tooie's puzzle design is far more open-ended than Kazooie. When comparing the level of backtracking between Kazooie and Tooie, Kazooie is far more self-contained. Tooie incentivizes revisiting levels much more than in Kazooie, since most puzzles in Tooie are affected by things from different levels. This is even more so when things in later levels affect earlier ones. Sure, the end goal is reaching the final boss (same for both games), but the method of getting to that final boss differs considerably. Kazooie's levels are, for the most part, self-contained within a single level, while Tooie's levels are VERY much affected by other levels' puzzles. You are certainly bringing about some discussion on this and I'm glad to see it. Thanks.
Thanks to the Note collecting, Players are incentivized to Play through the entirety of a level and move on. The only time Backtracking is required is returning to Treasure Trove Cove to enter Cheato's Codes, Finding Brentilda to get the dirt on Gruntilda, and of course the aformentioned Gobi's Valley to Freezeezy Peak backtrack.
@Zachary Rudolph, The problem I find is, yours isn't the most imaginative response for a very imaginative game series. The moment of realization of interconnected worlds and how you could test something by going to a connected secret in a past level, or use your brain to imagine elements in the future like a new characters' perspective might be with a current one, all the thinking ahead and behind about things that could possibly be, brings a whole new layer and dimension to imaginative games. There's nothing consistent to Banjo's visionary atmosphere like what Tooie became.
2 of my absolute favourite games ever. It's so hard to choose between one of them because they are perfect in what they try to accomplish and it really depends on my mood. If I really had to pick one, it would be Kazooie. Just cuz I like the faster progression and more linear levels. No space is unused and except for Click Clock Wood, every level can be fairly easy finished in under an hour.
Just beat both Banjo Kazooie and Tooie back to back. And while kazooie takes 5 hours to 100%, tooie takes 10 hours, but Kazooie still leaves a bigger impact on me. Kazooie pretty much perfected the whole magical collectathon gaming genre, which tooie improves upon in different ways
I love both games. Banjo Kazooie is a fun game to play that's bursting with personality and humour, and Banjo Tooie is everything a sequel should be, gives fans what they love about the original, yet deliver something new and fresh as well. Although the difficulty level in the sequel is miles above the original, so I'd go with Banjo Kazooie for the fun factor
My main problem with Banjo-Tooie is the lack of a map. I did enjoy the big worlds, but I couldn't easily find my way around them, which was really frustrating.
That's a pretty common concern I've heard about Tooie. Levels were enormous, and with the interlocking between multiple levels, it did get a bit too complex for its own good.
I do love both games equally when I think about it, Tooie's bosses are amazing, while Kazooie's Hub world and levels and especially last world and boss are fantastic, Kazooie can be 100% finished in around 3-4h while it takes way longer to do that in Tooie, worlds got bigger more egg types got added a multiplayer and replay mode were added but for some reason I found myself playing kazooie way more often than Tooie so I guess I'm leaning more onto that side. Could be nostalgia or simply the fact that you have to replay the entire game to redo grunty's furnace fun and final boss ^^" and those are the part I love the most, of course I do have a save file lying around that gives me instant access to the 2 things but still. I think kazooie got a flair that tooie simply can't reproduce while stil being an amazing game.
100% agree with you, Kazooie is the game of the two I enjoy the most, to me Tooie tried to do too much and it just felt overwhelming. Then again i enjoy the satisfaction of completing a level on my first run through.
I much prefer Banjo-Kazooie over Tooie. IMO, Tooie is a victim of its own ambition, there are too many moves, the worlds are unnecessarily big, there's way too much backtracking etc. While B-K is much more focused and just straight-forward, concentrated fun. Also, I don't like the Metroidvania approach of B-T because you can never really be sure if you're doing something wrong or if you're just wasting your time here because you need another move. Plus, there are so many little things that make Tooie less fun, like collectibles being bundled up and the Jiggy animation completely missing.
Even though banjo kazooie's more accessible and arguably more "fun", I have to pick tooie. It just felt more creative and engaging than kazooie , the bosses were epic, the moves were awesome and interconnected levels made the world feel more alive. The backtracking can get tedious but only if you attempt a 100% run, otherwise you only miss 1 or 2 jiggies, but hey that's my opinion
"That level to level movement is linear. You move freely within the levels, but your progression between the levels in locked within a straight line. This simplicity can make the game's design seem a little dated and uninteresting." The Mario Galaxy games and Mario Odyssey follow this same form of progression, so I wouldn't call it dated. Mario Odyssey, in particular, takes Banjo-Kazooie's formula and brings it to the next level. The progression is fairly linear, with the moons you collect unlocking the stages, and the stages themselves are self-contained. However, they're also massive, so you get to the same exploration experience as in Banjo-Tooie without ever having to backtrack or hit a brick wall in regards to where you need to go next. In the end of the day, I play a 3D platformer specifically to enjoy the stages and solve platforming challenges, not to traverse the hub between the levels, which is why I could never enjoy Banjo Tooie. Not when I first played it as a kid, and not when I played it a decade later. Banjo-Kazooie, on the other hand, remains in my top 3 of all time.
I look at both as one big game and tooie is just disc 2 for me, theres a lot of boss fights in tooie that were very memorable for me and thats probably why id pick the later. I just really like the ice fire dragons, mingy jongo, mr.patch, etc
I've been considering that for a long while now, considering I've been keeping an eye on Yooka-Laylee since it was the Mingy Jongo project. That's more than likely going to happen.
PostMesmeric that's great. I'm excited to see an analysis and some one else's thoughts on it. Thanks for replying and letting me know. I'll keep checking back!
I feel that I generally like games with more inter-connected worlds, but I prefer Banjo-Kazooie as Banjo-Tooie makes its worlds far too complex and confusing, and while I appreciate the backtrack, the sheer amount of it detracts from both the experience & the worlds themselves. I enjoyed Grunty Industries once I found my way around, as well as WitchyWorld, because I could focus on just their tasks for the most part and not have to stress about coming back later with other things. Also Jolly Roger Lagoon is slow and painful, Terrydactyl Land looks so similar to itself I get lost easily, and Cloud CuckooLand is much too spread out.
Kazooie seems more emotional and zooie seems more logical Combine both pros on both games into 1 game! So you can easily decide exactly what's bad or good
I prefer BT over BK just because of the QoL improvements like the ledge grab and egg aim. Those moves really would've been useful in BK. Also BT has bosses on every level and one even has 2. BK only had a few. Still a great game though, just finished it again a few days ago for the retroachievements XD
Banjo Kazooie is a game I love to speed run, but I could never see Tooie the same way, that one’s more enjoyable to just place at a moderate pace and take in all the games complex nuances
I feel like I'm in the same boat. I love the open ended nature of Banjo-Tooie, but Banjo-Kazooie is so streamlined it's a blast to speed run through. And while I see the vast improvements that Tooie made over Kazooie, I still have never 100% Completed Banjo-Tooie. Banjo-Kazooie on the other hand, I was able to 100% in 5 hours. And I've completed it at least 3 times. Tooie is still fun to play through, but trying to complete it is exhaustive. It's like comparing Metroid Zero Mission to Super Metroid.
I feel which game you like more is based on whether you prefer super mario 64, or Donkey Kong 64. As someone who prefers the latter honestly despite its flaws I like Tooie more.
bubbelgloop swamp, you need to return to use the fast shoes to beat the red crock in his game. Or at least alot easier, dunno if it's possible to beat him without the fast shoes
Having only just played these games for the first time in 2022, I think they were both good games, as far which is better is hard to say. Banjo 1 is much shorter and to the point, I'd get most of everything in a level in a few hours the first time, but in 2e my first time in a the factory and Hailfire peaks, It was a few hours before the first jiggy. I think overall I would lean to say 2e was the better game though, it had a bunch of "puzzle pieces" to keep track of from different levels and new abilities and stuff to try to figure out how it all fits together, even though a few waste your time looking for a solution in a level you're in only to find its impossible and you needed to solve the puzzle in a later level first.
I prefer BK simply because of the level design and barely having back tracking, but I could tell why people may prefer BT. If there is a Banjo Threeie I would like to see the best of both games.
It's an awesome series. I have the entire collection. It's a real shame about the ending though. I think they actually did a second printing with extra chapters but I have never been able to get a hold of those
I find Banjo Tooie a lot more enjoyable. Like you said, I like how much more open ended it is and how the world is more connected that this disjointed levels of Banjo Kazooie. Another problem is I really don't like how a lot of the Jiggies in BK is just given to you, especially in the 1st world. Now I can understand going easy on the 1st level, but it's ridiculous just how 3 of the jiggies have 0 challenge in getting them. At least in Tooie all 10 Jiggies in the 1st world you have to work for but it's not unreasonably hard. Plus nobody talks about how much more creative the worlds are in Tooie. Kazooie's levels, while enjoyable, were a lot more stereotypical like how the snow level (Freezeezy Peak) had all the cliche Christmas and winter tropes or how Gobi's Valley had the generic desert and Egypt stuff like pyramids and mummies. It makes the levels really forgettable and if I didn't have nostalgia for Kazooie, I would had a hard time remembering the levels. Tooie on the hand does use some basic level themes like snow and water levels, but put its own unique spin on it. Like how the fire and ice level in just 1 level or how the sky level has some very unique aspects to it like racing an aardvark in Olympic style events or a smelly cheese wedge you must traverse to get a Jiggy. It gives the levels its own identity and makes it stand out a lot more than Kazooie. I love both games, but I will play Banjo Tooie any day of the week over Banjo Kazooie because it feels a lot more rewarding to play as Tooie's worlds require more effort to complete.
I got new respect for both of these games. I think the games nowadays can learn from it. Graphics are a big part of a game, but it's after all the experience that's more important. I/people tend to like games that adapts to the choices to the player. Mario odyssey and some zelda games do that too. If the game is popular, freely experienced, or nostalgic/old style, they have me. I would like to experience banjo kazooie/tooie on the switch!
imo BK is the better game because its just so well executed. it's a better and more fun game than mario 64 even (imo). it's very simple but its very fun to play. and its super charming. it might be linear but there is nothing that even comes close to the genius of click click wood in banjo tooie for example. BT is great too, but its less successful in what it attempts. sometimes the puzzles are satisfying, such as grunty industries. you really have to think about it. it takes hours before you even get a jiggy, but it's satisfying when you have set everything up, opened the doors, got all the warps, made it to the roof ect. the level starts with all the doors being locked and you need to catch a train inside! but sometimes it's just not very fun to play. seeing a jiggy that you just can't get because you don't have the ability yet so you need to come back later is just not fun. and there's lots of jiggys that are dragged out for the sake of it, this takes away the fun. the game also has more inconsistent music, characters and a bit of a depressing atmosphere, a lot of levels that are easy to get lost in due to bad design (everything looks very similar on most of the levels) I do love it though, and i think the evolution in gameplay is great. i just wish there was a banjo threeie to continue it. The general consensus is that rare just went in the 'more is better' direction for tooie, but actually they evolved the gameplay, its a pity we wont see it updated further.
Banjo Tooie is too much now. Nowadays a game like Banjo Kazooie is perfect to go back and play. Everything is pretty easy to find. Levels are fun, there's some hallenge. Banjo Tooie was good when it came out. I mean there was so much to do in it. I played that game so much as a kid and never even got everything, it was amazing, so much content. But Nowadays? Banjo Tooie is just too much. There's so much content on earth now that wandering around the worlds in Tooie for an hour just to get 1 jiggy doesn't feel worth my time. If I play it, it makes me wanna look up a guide and then what's the fun in playing a collect a thon if you're gonna follow a guide?
I have a bias for tooie cause as a kid, I guess I had both games and decided to put in tooie first not knowing that was the second game. For years of my life that was my excuse for liking tooie more, but then after replaying both games many times over years (currently replaying tooie for hit 3rd time) I’ve realized I love tooie more because of its bigger levels, it’s difficulty, the fact that every level has a boss, every world has a door that leads to another, and you have so many gameplay Options and ways to do things. You can get a jiggy the traditional way, or you can challenge your self and do it as only banjo or kazooie solo, or hell you can try doing it with mumbo
Banjo Tooie is definitely better. More moves, better bosses and mechanics, more interesting worlds that are conected via train and exits, more challenging jiggies, multiplayer mode, and so much more.
I just think that the stretching out the mechanics of Banjo Kazooie in Tooie made it pretty boring. I find myself playing the game, going to levels, and not being able to find much to do. In Banjo Kazooie I can pretty well find everything in a stage without getting bored looking.
I really appreciate this analysis, as I loved both games growing up, and a lot of people seem to look at them as one is good and the other is bad. Both have positives and negatives, but it more depends on your preferred game style. As a kid, I love Tooie's worlds more, and loved the connectivity between them. As I get older (and probably because I have less time and get easily side-tracked), I somewhat prefer the original and how it is self-contained. Both are still great though. Also, now that Yooka-Laylee is out, it is definitely more Tooie-inspired to me. XD
I prefer Tooie the backtracking never bothered me, because I don't try to get all 10 jiggies when I first enter a level, I get the ones that I can find, and move on, then I go back to find more when I need them! Tooie is also a lot more fun on the 2nd playthrough, not sure why though, maybe because it's a lot more challenging. not gonna lie, BK was a little boring on my 2nd playthrough, unlike Tooie, the challenge is in finding them, not getting them, and when you know where all the Jiggies are, it feels... pointless Tooie doesn't have any Jiggies that are just lying around, you need to solve some sort of puzzle or game to get them
I think Tooie is geared to a more mature or experienced audience, people who play a lot of video games will like it more. Kazooie can appeal to younger and less experienced players which it needed to since 3D platformers were so new. This is its strength over Tooie b/c those who like Tooie better still like Kazooie, Kazooie appeals to a larger audience. I played Tooie when I was 11 but I stopped after I got to the carnival area cause I was so lost. The best games appeal to all ages and levels of experience, Kazooie accomplished this, Tooie didnt
I’ve finished banjo kazooie and loved we. I tried tooie I hated backtracking I finished the game but it wasn’t as fun I really hate back tracking so yah just my opinion
Tooie because more bosses, more challenges and new moves. On another note: While i was playing Kazooie, i felt like i had to grab on ledges for, i don't know, 137 times like in Super Mario 64 did. I'm actually glad they added the edge grabbing feature in Tooie. But some jiggies could only be aquired by sneaking up on certain characters. In Kazooie, i thought you had to sneak up on the ghost to get the jiggy, but no. You had to go on the seats of the chairs which i thought that was pretty stupid. I actually liked the Mr. Patch boss, not because of shooting eggs out of the sky, but the music as well. The music during the boss fight was pretty different than the rest of the boss battles. For example: the Chili and Chilly boss battle music had the exact same music as the stage. So, if you're a 100% player like i am, then either game works. But i couldn't 100% Kazooie because of Clanker's Cavern. The only part i hated in Kazooie was if you lost a life in any world like for example: Treasure Trove Cove, everything you've collected in that one area will restart at 0 (except for your totals)
Banjo Tooie has great moments. But sometimes they become too tedious. There are countless useless backtrackings. That make the game longer than it should.
0:39 " And I came to realize these two are very different animals"
Of course. One's a bear while the other is a bird
Dude its 0:35
When I first played Tooie, i was going in with the mindset of playing a game exactly like BK (with continued storyline), but with new levels. At first, i was disappointed they werent the same exact format, but later grew to love how intricate BT is, and how everything intertwines and how witty the dialogue is (this is one of my favorite parts lol). Definitely like BT a lot more.
I enjoyed Banjo-Tooie much more than Banjo-Kazooie.
In every level and in every new part of the overworld you always have new moves to be learn and to this are added also the bosses present in each level and the secrets like the eggs and the ice key that unlock other new moves and the transformation into dragon-kazooie .
My favorite level is Grunty's Industries
I really prefer Tooie, feels like the definitive BK experience to me, also, I love backtracking and all the levels being connected, feels like one big ass world to explore, that is pure magic
SquidNow I feel the opposite lol
THANK YOU IM SO HAPPY IM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO LIKES TOOIE MORE
I prefer the original by a long shot, but I respect your opinion :)
Yeah. Also, Banjo-Kazooie actually kinda sucks to me.
Nuts n bolts is better than both 🤓
I think you're the only person I've seen compare Banjo-Tooie to a metroidvania, but I think it fits pretty well.
it really is.
Would have helped with a map and quest tracking ability back in the days
@@lapthom A lack of map is the biggest flaw besides the low frame rate IMO. BT is the best N64 action adventure game IMO.
I personally preferred BT because of the expanded move set, transformations, and Mumbo who added a greater variety to the game play. I wasn't too crazy about the back tracking and I often got lost in certain levels.
Lost particularly Glitter Gulch, Jolly Roger's, and even Cloud Cuckoo's many colorful cave exits.
Grunty's lost - somewhat. It's intricately woven so I'd say I didnt pay much attention as a kid vs revisiting now checking off areas my head
Banjo-Tooie is my most favorite because its bigger and has waaaaay more content compared to the original............those r my thoughts tho
Banjo-Tooie is really fun... unless you're trying to beat it. Fuck those minigames
@@ghostmangm3059 Like DK64!
I HATED alot of the minigames, and yeah the game itself is broken, but that's half the FUN!!!
I like getting lost, mapping with my mind and getting surprised by the added layers and twists my adventure could take. Give me Tooie, please.
I see Banjo Kazooie as primarily a platforming game, Tooie as primarily a puzzle adventure game e.g. their Monkey Island. I find Kazooie much easier to get in to and can only recommend Tooie to patient hardcore gamers but fair play to Rare in historical terms for not repeating a formula. (although they temporarily lost their character and boldness to me when they released Starfox Adventures and even Kameo feels like just a spin on Starfox Adventures).
Microsoft just made a bunch of Rare games 'X enhanced' and they look great in 4k
I love both games and have finished them at least 3 times each. If I had to pick I'd probably have to go with Kazooie. The smaller, more contained levels and progression just make for a better overall experience imo.
I couldn't argue with someone who likes Tooie more though.
Spot on summary and comparison. Played both as a kid and found Kazooie to be more enjoyable, simply because like you said it's easy to get lost and confused in Tooie (especially when you're 7 years old!). I found with Tooie as well that once you unlocked cheats the game became almost too easy. Both classics though, keen to get rare replay and take a trip down memory lane!
They are very similar yet very different games.
I probably like Banjo-Kazooie more just for the atmosphere.
It's a very slim margin that I chose the original over the sequel. I love them both.
But banjo tooie has more atmosphere:/
@@brittasnow64 I agree. Banjo-Kazooie feels a bit too Mario...
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Interesting analysis on the Banjo games. I never really took the time to figure out what made them distinct from each other but you summed it up well.
Thanks. This is a series near and dear to my heart, so I wanted to give it a more in-depth critique. :)
This helps me so much. I've been designing threeie for years now and things like this help me to make sure I'm going in the right direction with it
I had no idea kazoiee was a girl until my last play through which was like a year ago
I didn't know either until a couple years ago. Which is strange considering I played the game all the time with my sister and cousin when I was a kid.
I would say I personally prefer Tooie, I pretty much couldn't put it down once I started. Love both though.
One difference that's maybe not as important in the modern day (with high quality ports on the Xbox 360 & One) is that Kazooie had better technical performance. I often wished they had made Tooie with expansion pack support to smooth out the frame rate.
I came to realize you know a lot about game design. Good video!
There's literally just a single occurence of all jingies not being collectible in Banjo-Kazooie as you said. And the funny thing is, there's actually 2 jiggies that are candidate for this, but only a single one will fill the role for each playthrough depending on what you do. These jiggies are jiggies in Gobi's Valley and Freezeezy peak as you mentioned. They're both locked behind a specific move (one behind the speed shoes, the other I can't remember) that is unlocked in the other level. So depending on whether you choose to go for Freezeezy or Gobi's first (which if you 100% until this point are both available), you will have a missing jiggy in that level that you will have to collect after completing the other level. Realized that in a playthrough last year and I though it was a fun fact ;)
Awesome video buddy
"deciding which one is better is a tough call" - shakes head very slowly
I'm 100% open to sequels being different than their predecessor and do not go in with expectations that will ruin a game...Banjo-Tooie is a poorly designed, soulless mess of a game.
In Banjo-Kazooie when you die you have to collect all notes in the level again, in Tooie you can continue without losing anything, which is so much better. Dying in a Kazooie level is so frustrating and often I quit the game for the day, in Tooie however you can try out many things and dont have to worry about dying.
Between these two games, I just had Banjo Kazooie as a kid and didn't understand the purpose to completing the game. However playing that game on my phone's Nintendo 64 emulator app, I have gotten used to the controls. I was born in October 1993 so I was 4 years old when that game came out and I think I was 7 or 8 years old when I tried the game out. It was a great game, but at first when I was a kid, I learned I couldn't progress the game without learning any moves to save Tooty from the evil witch, Gruntilda. Some years later here in the early 2020s, I played both games on my phone because we gave our Nintendo 64 to a younger cousin of mine. The same game I played years ago I finally realized I needed to learn some moves to progress later in the game. Collecting 10 jiggies in each of the 9 worlds and 10 in the hub world to make it 100, all 900 of the game's music notes with each of the 9 worlds having 100, collecting extra honeycomb pieces and mumbo tokens to transform into a creature. Freezeasy Peak for example has 2 jiggies that you can only collect if you turn into a walrus. One is if you win the first race against Boggy and the other is the one Wozza has. If Wozza sees Banjo and Kazooie try to take it from him, he will run with it back in his cave until you disguise yourself into a walrus.
Banjo Tooie on the other hand, yes it was a good game and it had a variety of new moves from the game providing you have collected at least the required amount of music notes, but this game also required a lot of backtracking compared to Banjo Kazooie which only required 2 if you have trouble beating Mr. Vile in Bubblegloop Swamp. I don't like to backtrack more than maybe 3 times. It's a bummer that Banjo Kazooie doesn't allow you to pick up where you left off on music notes and instead makes you start over and try to beat your score if you play the Nintendo 64 version, but it's still the game that knows how to kick some ass if you ask me.
I've never understood why Tooie is criticized for too many collectibles when in reality he has less than Kazooie.
Banjo-Kazooie collector's Numbers: 900 Notes (to be collected one at a time), 100 jiggies, 45 Jinjos, 24 Honeycombs and 75 mumbo tokens (the number of tokens needed for each transformation is: 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 = 75 tokens) + find 3 times the book Cheato.
Total collectible: 1147.
Tooie: 900 notes grouped but in groups of 5 and one of 20 (so the actual number of notes to be collected is 153), 90 Jiggies, 25 Honeycombs, 25 pages cheato, 17 Glowbos and 45 Jinjos. Total: 355.
In addition, the notes and jinjos are reset in Kazooie if you do not take them all at once unlike Tooie.
Banjo-Tooie is undoubtedly better than Banjo-Kazooie: it has less collectibles, a boss and a transformation for each level and new moves to learn until the end of the game.
Yeah I really don’t understand how someone could believe kazooie was the superior game. Tooie upgraded in almost every way.
@@lilpimp994 I agree! B-T is the definitive Banjo experience.
It's more that the collectibles are very spread out and require a lot of work.
Some people like kazooie more than Tooie because it's a shorter game that's much more fast paced.
I feel that banjo tooie is not only the best banjo game but also
The best game ever
I definitely have a bunch of nostalgia for B-T
It was the first game I ever played
If it wasn’t it could have been crash of the Titans or mind over mutant
That’s a relief
Tooie isn’t my favourite game, but it’s on Number 3:
5 Lego City Undercover
4 South Park: The fractured but Whole
3 Banjo Tooie
2 Kingdom Hearts 2
1 Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
I think the next step is to streamline their abilities as many old moves were made obsolete by new moves: lose the pads and switches and a lot of the items. Allow Banjo and Kazooie to split up anywhere that villians won't enter, and you can swap between them anytime: musical notes are "ability energy" for ANY special moves and have puzzles peices be required to be transported as specific spots: Kazooie can only carry one Jiggy at a time while Banjo can store multiple while Kazooie's out of his pack.
If they ever try a Banjo Threeie or Tooka-Laylee, I think it'd be good if the first 40% is a BK1-style, straightforward run through 5-7 themed worlds; with the next 40% being an unlock for more complex missions that sprawl across multiple worlds; 5% being the final level and boss sequence, and the remaining being post-game content on top of whatever non-compulsory missions are leftover.
I thought Odyssey's Moonrock missions' habit of remixing ideas introduced in various disparate levels was really neat, but found it sad that they were usually confined to isolated challenge rooms, so it would be nice if that idea could be executed again, but Bigger.
I love banjo kazooie and when I first played tooie back in 2000 at my cousin's house I thought it started great and improved the graphics and movement from the first game. Then as I played the game for a few hours I felt myself getting bored,which never happened in kazooie. I've given the game several chances but I've never beaten it. I just feel it lacks the flow and pick up and play aspect of kazooie due to its oversized levels and backtracking and other tedious aspects. Is it a bad game? No. It's just one I personally can't get into.
Thank u for this bro...big gamer here
you are the king!
I prefer Banjo-kazooie because the worlds seemed better and more memorable to play in (in my opinion)
Ill say this Banjo Kazooie took me a few days to complete
Banjo tooie - oh GOD took me many months to find difficult puzzles and got lost easily in the world and progressing thru the game
Ill say Tooie is the better game for the challenge
For me it depends on the mood i have. If i want a lighthearted and simpler adventure, i play BK. If i want a more complex adventure where i can lose myself, i choose BT. And i see the complexity of BT as a positive side effect. Every playthrough feels fresh because of forgetting where i have to go. xD
I didn't finish both of them but I think both are good
Tooie was my first video game experience so I believe that is why I am partial to it. I remember begging my mom at Best Buy one day to get the Nintendo 64 just so we could play BT at home. I repurchased an N64 recently and am playing through BT as I never finished it as a kid
I think your argument with Kazooie being more linear only stems from the assumption someone playing is a style that completes a level in one go. The problem is that's always been an *option*, not a *requirement*, which is what draws people to liking Kazooie more.
If someone wants to get a few jiggies in Mumbo's Mountain and leave and come back, they can do that. Having the ability to complete a level in chunks or in one go is up to someone (the only real "requirement" making someone do so is notes).
I feel that Tooie only adds on complexity by drawing out the steps involved in accomplishing what would be simple tasks, and on top of that, making you traverse more empty levels to reach the areas of interest. The levels in Kazooie are smaller yes, but they're also more closely packed, and I almost never felt like I needed a warp pad, which only barely help in Tooie.
It's true that it's an option, but it's an order the devs clearly wanted the player to move in. If they didn't want the player to visit levels in a particular order, why would levels open in a sequence instead of all being open from the very start? Tooie's complexity is its most controversial design element and it's the #1 reason that I've heard people say it's the lesser of the two. But both linearity and complexity are not necessarily good and bad. It's a matter of preference at the end of the day, and I'd go so far as to say both are good and both are bad.
"If they didn't want the player to visit levels in a particular order,
why would levels open in a sequence instead of all being open from the
very start?" Couldn't you levy this against Tooie too? Those are opened/encountered in a particular sequence as well. All I was saying is that no one is forced to complete a level in the first go in BK, and that they have the option to do so. Same with what levels you tackle, to a point. Sometimes I do Clanker's Cavern before Bubblegloop. Sometimes I visit Gobi's Valley just for the powerup and return to FreezyPeak, or the other way around. The only thing confining you to doing them in one go is the note score, but you still have the option to get as many as you want as long as it satisfies a note door (and that's with the original game. In the XBLA re-release notes collected stay collected I believe, so that version would give you even more options).
Ultimately I think you could reduce most games into being "linear" if you just looked at the end goals. Both Kazooie and Tooie require a majority of the jiggies to be collected before you fight grunty at the end. Since Tooie *requires* you to visit certain stages before completing other ones, you could argue that makes it more linear in the sense that there's specific steps you have to take first if you want to complete a level now. It's jsut now you'll encounter alternate tasks along the way to divert your attention to first if you choose.
The option is always there, yes, but Tooie's puzzle design is far more open-ended than Kazooie. When comparing the level of backtracking between Kazooie and Tooie, Kazooie is far more self-contained. Tooie incentivizes revisiting levels much more than in Kazooie, since most puzzles in Tooie are affected by things from different levels. This is even more so when things in later levels affect earlier ones. Sure, the end goal is reaching the final boss (same for both games), but the method of getting to that final boss differs considerably. Kazooie's levels are, for the most part, self-contained within a single level, while Tooie's levels are VERY much affected by other levels' puzzles.
You are certainly bringing about some discussion on this and I'm glad to see it. Thanks.
Thanks to the Note collecting, Players are incentivized to Play through the entirety of a level and move on. The only time Backtracking is required is returning to Treasure Trove Cove to enter Cheato's Codes, Finding Brentilda to get the dirt on Gruntilda, and of course the aformentioned Gobi's Valley to Freezeezy Peak backtrack.
@Zachary Rudolph, The problem I find is, yours isn't the most imaginative response for a very imaginative game series. The moment of realization of interconnected worlds and how you could test something by going to a connected secret in a past level, or use your brain to imagine elements in the future like a new characters' perspective might be with a current one, all the thinking ahead and behind about things that could possibly be, brings a whole new layer and dimension to imaginative games. There's nothing consistent to Banjo's visionary atmosphere like what Tooie became.
2 of my absolute favourite games ever.
It's so hard to choose between one of them because they are perfect in what they try to accomplish and it really depends on my mood.
If I really had to pick one, it would be Kazooie.
Just cuz I like the faster progression and more linear levels.
No space is unused and except for Click Clock Wood, every level can be fairly easy finished in under an hour.
I’m playing through kazooie right now and I keep finding myself wishing I was just playing tooie.
Just beat both Banjo Kazooie and Tooie back to back. And while kazooie takes 5 hours to 100%, tooie takes 10 hours, but Kazooie still leaves a bigger impact on me. Kazooie pretty much perfected the whole magical collectathon gaming genre, which tooie improves upon in different ways
I love both games. Banjo Kazooie is a fun game to play that's bursting with personality and humour, and Banjo Tooie is everything a sequel should be, gives fans what they love about the original, yet deliver something new and fresh as well. Although the difficulty level in the sequel is miles above the original, so I'd go with Banjo Kazooie for the fun factor
My main problem with Banjo-Tooie is the lack of a map. I did enjoy the big worlds, but I couldn't easily find my way around them, which was really frustrating.
That's a pretty common concern I've heard about Tooie. Levels were enormous, and with the interlocking between multiple levels, it did get a bit too complex for its own good.
I agree. If any level needed a map, it was Jolly Roger's Bay.
I do love both games equally when I think about it, Tooie's bosses are amazing, while Kazooie's Hub world and levels and especially last world and boss are fantastic, Kazooie can be 100% finished in around 3-4h while it takes way longer to do that in Tooie, worlds got bigger more egg types got added a multiplayer and replay mode were added but for some reason I found myself playing kazooie way more often than Tooie so I guess I'm leaning more onto that side.
Could be nostalgia or simply the fact that you have to replay the entire game to redo grunty's furnace fun and final boss ^^" and those are the part I love the most, of course I do have a save file lying around that gives me instant access to the 2 things but still.
I think kazooie got a flair that tooie simply can't reproduce while stil being an amazing game.
100% agree with you, Kazooie is the game of the two I enjoy the most, to me Tooie tried to do too much and it just felt overwhelming. Then again i enjoy the satisfaction of completing a level on my first run through.
I much prefer Banjo-Kazooie over Tooie. IMO, Tooie is a victim of its own ambition, there are too many moves, the worlds are unnecessarily big, there's way too much backtracking etc. While B-K is much more focused and just straight-forward, concentrated fun.
Also, I don't like the Metroidvania approach of B-T because you can never really be sure if you're doing something wrong or if you're just wasting your time here because you need another move. Plus, there are so many little things that make Tooie less fun, like collectibles being bundled up and the Jiggy animation completely missing.
Even though banjo kazooie's more accessible and arguably more "fun", I have to pick tooie. It just felt more creative and engaging than kazooie , the bosses were epic, the moves were awesome and interconnected levels made the world feel more alive. The backtracking can get tedious but only if you attempt a 100% run, otherwise you only miss 1 or 2 jiggies, but hey that's my opinion
"That level to level movement is linear. You move freely within the levels, but your progression between the levels in locked within a straight line. This simplicity can make the game's design seem a little dated and uninteresting."
The Mario Galaxy games and Mario Odyssey follow this same form of progression, so I wouldn't call it dated. Mario Odyssey, in particular, takes Banjo-Kazooie's formula and brings it to the next level. The progression is fairly linear, with the moons you collect unlocking the stages, and the stages themselves are self-contained. However, they're also massive, so you get to the same exploration experience as in Banjo-Tooie without ever having to backtrack or hit a brick wall in regards to where you need to go next. In the end of the day, I play a 3D platformer specifically to enjoy the stages and solve platforming challenges, not to traverse the hub between the levels, which is why I could never enjoy Banjo Tooie. Not when I first played it as a kid, and not when I played it a decade later. Banjo-Kazooie, on the other hand, remains in my top 3 of all time.
It just makes you wonder what style Banjo-Threeie would have used if it wasn't cancelled, or if it would be something new. Shame we will never know.
Maybe open world with sidequests
"two very different animals"
Or four amirite
I really love these 2 games
I look at both as one big game and tooie is just disc 2 for me, theres a lot of boss fights in tooie that were very memorable for me and thats probably why id pick the later. I just really like the ice fire dragons, mingy jongo, mr.patch, etc
Hey, I enjoyed your thoughts. Thanks for the video. I'd love to see a video analyzing Yooka Laylee and/or comparing it with Banjo Kaooie and Tooie.
I've been considering that for a long while now, considering I've been keeping an eye on Yooka-Laylee since it was the Mingy Jongo project. That's more than likely going to happen.
PostMesmeric that's great. I'm excited to see an analysis and some one else's thoughts on it. Thanks for replying and letting me know. I'll keep checking back!
I feel that I generally like games with more inter-connected worlds, but I prefer Banjo-Kazooie as Banjo-Tooie makes its worlds far too complex and confusing, and while I appreciate the backtrack, the sheer amount of it detracts from both the experience & the worlds themselves. I enjoyed Grunty Industries once I found my way around, as well as WitchyWorld, because I could focus on just their tasks for the most part and not have to stress about coming back later with other things. Also Jolly Roger Lagoon is slow and painful, Terrydactyl Land looks so similar to itself I get lost easily, and Cloud CuckooLand is much too spread out.
Kazooie seems more emotional and zooie seems more logical
Combine both pros on both games into 1 game! So you can easily decide exactly what's bad or good
I prefer BT over BK just because of the QoL improvements like the ledge grab and egg aim. Those moves really would've been useful in BK. Also BT has bosses on every level and one even has 2. BK only had a few. Still a great game though, just finished it again a few days ago for the retroachievements XD
Both pros means there's no cons, it's perfect
I prefer Banjo Tooie, the worlds are amazing and I love how interconnected they are. I also think it has great NPCs
Banjo Kazooie is a game I love to speed run, but I could never see Tooie the same way, that one’s more enjoyable to just place at a moderate pace and take in all the games complex nuances
I feel like I'm in the same boat. I love the open ended nature of Banjo-Tooie, but Banjo-Kazooie is so streamlined it's a blast to speed run through. And while I see the vast improvements that Tooie made over Kazooie, I still have never 100% Completed Banjo-Tooie. Banjo-Kazooie on the other hand, I was able to 100% in 5 hours. And I've completed it at least 3 times. Tooie is still fun to play through, but trying to complete it is exhaustive. It's like comparing Metroid Zero Mission to Super Metroid.
I've never managed to beat to that rematch with Canary Mary.
Pedro Gonzales Oh fuck off.
I feel which game you like more is based on whether you prefer super mario 64, or Donkey Kong 64. As someone who prefers the latter honestly despite its flaws I like Tooie more.
bubbelgloop swamp, you need to return to use the fast shoes to beat the red crock in his game. Or at least alot easier, dunno if it's possible to beat him without the fast shoes
i want that shirt
Having only just played these games for the first time in 2022, I think they were both good games, as far which is better is hard to say. Banjo 1 is much shorter and to the point, I'd get most of everything in a level in a few hours the first time, but in 2e my first time in a the factory and Hailfire peaks, It was a few hours before the first jiggy. I think overall I would lean to say 2e was the better game though, it had a bunch of "puzzle pieces" to keep track of from different levels and new abilities and stuff to try to figure out how it all fits together, even though a few waste your time looking for a solution in a level you're in only to find its impossible and you needed to solve the puzzle in a later level first.
Loved the video, helped me decide to play tooie instead of kazooie
Grest video. BTW, did anyone ever tell you you sound like Rod Serling?
Not that I recall, off the top of my head. I'll take that as a compliment, though, as I really love The Twilight Zone.
@@PostMesmeric me too man, me too. what's your favorite episode?
Probably "Time Enough at Last." A pretty common answer, but I think that one's a real gem.
@@PostMesmeric for me it's probably The Obsolete Man or Two (or maybe even Jess-Belle)
Good video mate. I've also been a bit obsessed with Rare games lately... Mostly the bad ones.
I prefer BK simply because of the level design and barely having back tracking, but I could tell why people may prefer BT. If there is a Banjo Threeie I would like to see the best of both games.
So what did you end up thinking about yooka laylee?
I made a video on Yooka-Laylee earlier this year. It pretty much explains my view on the game.
You should do a video on A Broken Tale! Its a 2D game. The music is amazing! The game looks a lot like Conker bad fur day. It looks very interesting.
Its very close but I really like Tooie a little bit more because I like how big the worlds are and how the game is more complex then kazooie
Nevermind Banjo Kazooie/Tooie, is that a collection of Shaman King manga is see in te background :O
Wow, that's a good eye. Yeah. It's my favorite manga series.
It's an awesome series. I have the entire collection. It's a real shame about the ending though. I think they actually did a second printing with extra chapters but I have never been able to get a hold of those
4:18 this is not the case, you can dismiss Gobi entirely and still find him in click clock wood. I recently tested this.
Javier Quinteros Urzúa he’s not talking about Gobi, he’s talking about the trainers.
I find Banjo Tooie a lot more enjoyable. Like you said, I like how much more open ended it is and how the world is more connected that this disjointed levels of Banjo Kazooie. Another problem is I really don't like how a lot of the Jiggies in BK is just given to you, especially in the 1st world. Now I can understand going easy on the 1st level, but it's ridiculous just how 3 of the jiggies have 0 challenge in getting them. At least in Tooie all 10 Jiggies in the 1st world you have to work for but it's not unreasonably hard. Plus nobody talks about how much more creative the worlds are in Tooie. Kazooie's levels, while enjoyable, were a lot more stereotypical like how the snow level (Freezeezy Peak) had all the cliche Christmas and winter tropes or how Gobi's Valley had the generic desert and Egypt stuff like pyramids and mummies. It makes the levels really forgettable and if I didn't have nostalgia for Kazooie, I would had a hard time remembering the levels. Tooie on the hand does use some basic level themes like snow and water levels, but put its own unique spin on it. Like how the fire and ice level in just 1 level or how the sky level has some very unique aspects to it like racing an aardvark in Olympic style events or a smelly cheese wedge you must traverse to get a Jiggy. It gives the levels its own identity and makes it stand out a lot more than Kazooie.
I love both games, but I will play Banjo Tooie any day of the week over Banjo Kazooie because it feels a lot more rewarding to play as Tooie's worlds require more effort to complete.
I will always prefer straight-forward action, but I'm a sucker for upgrades and gameplay variation so Tooie is a very close 2nd place.
I got new respect for both of these games. I think the games nowadays can learn from it. Graphics are a big part of a game, but it's after all the experience that's more important. I/people tend to like games that adapts to the choices to the player. Mario odyssey and some zelda games do that too.
If the game is popular, freely experienced, or nostalgic/old style, they have me. I would like to experience banjo kazooie/tooie on the switch!
Nothing in tooie compares to click clock wood
imo BK is the better game because its just so well executed. it's a better and more fun game than mario 64 even (imo). it's very simple but its very fun to play. and its super charming. it might be linear but there is nothing that even comes close to the genius of click click wood in banjo tooie for example.
BT is great too, but its less successful in what it attempts. sometimes the puzzles are satisfying, such as grunty industries. you really have to think about it. it takes hours before you even get a jiggy, but it's satisfying when you have set everything up, opened the doors, got all the warps, made it to the roof ect. the level starts with all the doors being locked and you need to catch a train inside! but sometimes it's just not very fun to play. seeing a jiggy that you just can't get because you don't have the ability yet so you need to come back later is just not fun. and there's lots of jiggys that are dragged out for the sake of it, this takes away the fun. the game also has more inconsistent music, characters and a bit of a depressing atmosphere, a lot of levels that are easy to get lost in due to bad design (everything looks very similar on most of the levels) I do love it though, and i think the evolution in gameplay is great. i just wish there was a banjo threeie to continue it.
The general consensus is that rare just went in the 'more is better' direction for tooie, but actually they evolved the gameplay, its a pity we wont see it updated further.
Banjo Tooie is too much now. Nowadays a game like Banjo Kazooie is perfect to go back and play. Everything is pretty easy to find. Levels are fun, there's some hallenge. Banjo Tooie was good when it came out. I mean there was so much to do in it. I played that game so much as a kid and never even got everything, it was amazing, so much content. But Nowadays? Banjo Tooie is just too much. There's so much content on earth now that wandering around the worlds in Tooie for an hour just to get 1 jiggy doesn't feel worth my time. If I play it, it makes me wanna look up a guide and then what's the fun in playing a collect a thon if you're gonna follow a guide?
I have a bias for tooie cause as a kid, I guess I had both games and decided to put in tooie first not knowing that was the second game. For years of my life that was my excuse for liking tooie more, but then after replaying both games many times over years (currently replaying tooie for hit 3rd time) I’ve realized I love tooie more because of its bigger levels, it’s difficulty, the fact that every level has a boss, every world has a door that leads to another, and you have so many gameplay Options and ways to do things. You can get a jiggy the traditional way, or you can challenge your self and do it as only banjo or kazooie solo, or hell you can try doing it with mumbo
Banjo Tooie is definitely better. More moves, better bosses and mechanics, more interesting worlds that are conected via train and exits, more challenging jiggies, multiplayer mode, and so much more.
It's pretty crazy how much negativity Tooie gets. I didn't expect nearly as much, honestly, though I do love the game.
I just think that the stretching out the mechanics of Banjo Kazooie in Tooie made it pretty boring. I find myself playing the game, going to levels, and not being able to find much to do. In Banjo Kazooie I can pretty well find everything in a stage without getting bored looking.
I thought Banjo Tooie was a great sequel.
I really appreciate this analysis, as I loved both games growing up, and a lot of people seem to look at them as one is good and the other is bad. Both have positives and negatives, but it more depends on your preferred game style. As a kid, I love Tooie's worlds more, and loved the connectivity between them. As I get older (and probably because I have less time and get easily side-tracked), I somewhat prefer the original and how it is self-contained. Both are still great though. Also, now that Yooka-Laylee is out, it is definitely more Tooie-inspired to me. XD
My number one problem with banjo kazooie is that you can beat a world in 30 minutes and never have to return to it again.
BT is the best, for me
I prefer Tooie
the backtracking never bothered me, because I don't try to get all 10 jiggies when I first enter a level, I get the ones that I can find, and move on, then I go back to find more when I need them! Tooie is also a lot more fun on the 2nd playthrough, not sure why though, maybe because it's a lot more challenging.
not gonna lie, BK was a little boring on my 2nd playthrough, unlike Tooie, the challenge is in finding them, not getting them, and when you know where all the Jiggies are, it feels... pointless
Tooie doesn't have any Jiggies that are just lying around, you need to solve some sort of puzzle or game to get them
Banjo Kazooie only cuz it has haunted mansión. I though that Tooie would had a bigger spooky level which it wasnt. :(
I miss the n64 era so much
Is it just me or does this guy kind of sound like Paladin Danse from Fallout 4?
B-K is A-Z
B-T is A-G then G-M and M-A finally Q-Z
I think Tooie is geared to a more mature or experienced audience, people who play a lot of video games will like it more. Kazooie can appeal to younger and less experienced players which it needed to since 3D platformers were so new. This is its strength over Tooie b/c those who like Tooie better still like Kazooie, Kazooie appeals to a larger audience. I played Tooie when I was 11 but I stopped after I got to the carnival area cause I was so lost. The best games appeal to all ages and levels of experience, Kazooie accomplished this, Tooie didnt
Banjo Tooie is like a Metroidvania game but a million times more tedious.
I’ve finished banjo kazooie and loved we. I tried tooie I hated backtracking I finished the game but it wasn’t as fun I really hate back tracking so yah just my opinion
The thing I hate from Tooie is the excesive backtracking
I ain’t play bt but I ain’t sad I would have if bk was the sequel so I’ll leave it like that
Tooie because more bosses, more challenges and new moves.
On another note: While i was playing Kazooie, i felt like i had to grab on ledges for, i don't know, 137 times like in Super Mario 64 did.
I'm actually glad they added the edge grabbing feature in Tooie. But some jiggies could only be aquired by sneaking up on certain characters.
In Kazooie, i thought you had to sneak up on the ghost to get the jiggy, but no. You had to go on the seats of the chairs which i thought that was pretty stupid.
I actually liked the Mr. Patch boss, not because of shooting eggs out of the sky, but the music as well. The music during the boss fight was pretty different than the rest of the boss battles. For example: the Chili and Chilly boss battle music had the exact same music as the stage.
So, if you're a 100% player like i am, then either game works. But i couldn't 100% Kazooie because of Clanker's Cavern.
The only part i hated in Kazooie was if you lost a life in any world like for example: Treasure Trove Cove, everything you've collected in that one area will restart at 0 (except for your totals)
Mi favorito es banjo tooie si duda , i like this Game
banjo kazooie is my favorite because you can complete a level in one sitting.
In tooie Mole dies and comes back to life banjoS House is destroyed Mumbo's mountain is gone and stuff I think kazooie
kazzoie
Banjo Tooie has great moments. But sometimes they become too tedious.
There are countless useless backtrackings. That make the game longer than it should.
Do you still support a goatie, or have you upgraded to goatooie