I met Kyle Hebert at a Con yesterday. I told him “I was gonna have you sign a DBZ blu ray set, but Funimation keeps handling the blu ray release of the series the same way George Lucas handled the original Star Wars trilogy.” To which he replied “You’re ABSOLUTELY correct.”
😂 it's awakened by the needless death of detail, cell was gonna do noise reduction on the world so it wouldn't seem 3d but funimation thought that was to small scale 😂 noise reduction on the universe 🤔 wounder how much detail would be on David Attenborough's planet Earth series if funimation did it ohh there's a whale ohhh no it was a manatee god damn i can't see a thing who filmed this? 😂
they won't listen, funimation is crap and it will be because their target audience are manchildrne's who buy everything with dragon ball sign slapped on the box
This shit is EXACTLY why many anime fans don't buy most anime legally. Many free downloads have fan made restorations that have superior HD remasters than official offerings.
Nope. Fans don't have access to their raw frames, so HOW would they make restorations? What fans HAVE made are superior MUXES. They get the best sources of audio and video and sync them. As it stands, the best video comes from the Level sets for the Saiyan Arc, which are HD, and the Dragon Box Z sets for the other arcs, which AREN'T HD. As it stands, there is no existing HD remaster of the entire show.
@@AirshBornely If they end doing things right and fixing everything they're supposed to be released in November. Early Christmas present for your friend? :D
7:42- this was the part that really upset me. I get not knowing anything at all about digital remastering, but after somebody explains it to you, what is the point of fighting a proper remaster? “Me and my friends growing up are hardcore dB fans. None of us really want grain” This person can already pick up the orange bricks or the regular Blu Ray’s to get their no grain edition, but they choose to actively fight against a proper remaster.
@@jsc315 haha was about to say the same thing followed by oh yeah we do not speak of the non canon 😂 canon be damned I like ssj4, 10x Kamehameha and the big bang Kamehameha and I'll give you the ssj4 gogeta I have no defence for that except vegeta had a bad day on the mental side that day
Timmy Turner They’ve had one since the orange bricks and they had a chance to redeem themselves with the Level Sets but with a bad release time as Ajay said, they didn’t sell well and only think these things sell well due to grain removal
@@velocious8002 nah it's perfect as is old animation and all plus unless it's someone like the director of one punch man season 1 tag teaming with another legendary animator then I'd have no hype for a remake
edgarrr most anime fans now can’t even tell the difference between good animation & digital coloring. You could have sub-par animation + digital coloring & they think it’s the best thing ever.
@@timelord2052 lol chill kid. Kai is just shorter version of dbz. it ain't remake im talking about, like read what im talking about before u speak. I said I would like too see dbz in modern animation style lol. the same type animation like in this video ua-cam.com/video/aPFolXJkX4s/v-deo.html
The response of “me and my hardcore db fan friends don’t want grain” is the biggest sign the funimation employee is missing the point. We don’t want grain because we just enjoy grain for no reason….. we want the detail it just so happens that the detail is because of the grain…. Saying you don’t want grain is saying you don’t want detail. Everyone wants to see the show for what it was suppose to be. Grain is a side effect.
The reason people keep buying the orange bricks isn’t just because they’re cheap, it’s because THEY’RE ALL WE CAN GET. Funimation only released limited runs of the good stuff so what choice do new fans of the series have? I just recently got into Dragon Ball and pretty much every other DBZ release is out of print and going for ridiculous markups on the secondary market. Even the Walmart exclusive season set release from earlier this year is sold out and going for over $200 on eBay. It was three sets for $30 each six months ago! I’ve spent a less than $300CAD on a DB blue brick set, DBGT, and the new steelbook DB Super set. It’s insane that my choices for DBZ are either orange bricks or paying more than I have for all the other series combined. Funimation, you want people to buy your shit? Recoup cost from the remastering process? Then keep releasing it so people can actually buy it from you and not 3rd party sellers or bootleggers.
@@bestdrummerever1234 we live in a day where 4K Blu Rays are available at affordable prices. We can see and own and appreciate art how it was originally presented and captivated people. And today, one of the most iconic anime in history has consistently had low quality releases that inaccurately represent the original artwork. It's simply not possible to own this show anywhere close to the level of quality that one could pick up a new copy of... anything else. I understand the appeal of getting rid of scratches and dirt, but is it really such a foreign idea to want the ability to watch a high quality representation of this iconic (and extremely lucrative) program in my own home, and be able to appreciate the intent, skill, and presentation of the original artists? With the staggering number of DBZ DVDs mass produced with inferior quality over the years, I don't think it's too much to ask for a decent, modern day, high quality release. I've wanted to own this series myself for quite some time... but the few that I picked up over the years were so ugly, I was never inspired to even come close to completing the collection.
Those raw ones look way better. The grain doesnt diminish it in any way. The blu ray upscale and cutting the edges does. Look at the finer detail, its just gone. Dont they understand people just want the 100% untouched release?
@@Guar_dian That's not true at all and has never been true in the decade+ of private tracker communities, you share what other people want from you and other people share what you want from them. The whole point is that it's free, it would defeat the purpose otherwise...
@@TheUltimateRare that doesn't make much sense. a "purist" if you will, would acknowledge that the 1080p resolution is the only logical thing that technically defines "HD" and everything else is just artistic/ rendering choice. not everyone is technologically oblivious enough to associate stupidity with "HD", especially not "purists" in this context. sorry if I sound rude.
The RAWs actually look really nice, i would even take no crop at all and have the funky edges. I think that looks kinda cool. Man this set could be so cool, i have never been able to get a full dbz set and would love to have this if it was any good at all.
Again, Funi, how is it you do everything *except* your biggest money-maker right? Every other show I see from you usually seems to at least get somewhat decent treatment, and this feels more like a D minus, at best, and I'm being generous, here.
@@SpiderEmblem I mean, if you *want* to compare this to Dragon Ball Minus's quality, I won't stop you, I more meant a D- grade (which, in retrospect, was being a bit too nice).
Ignorant people will buy anything with the name DB on it. By not releasing a decent set they always keep the hopes up for people who care for a correct release.
The same people who reply with stuff like "lol get laid" "this isn't that serious" "why all the complaining?" are the same children who get scammed on the daily basis who think criticism shouldn't be justified and continue to eat shit.
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Will you be reviewing the new season of one punch man due to the change in art style? It seems like something you would do and its would be very interesting to hear you point out the changes and details.
Why is animation so poorly treated on blu-ray? Even the Disney blu-rays went through this nonsense. Is there just a cabal of morons in the animation business that hate grain and any kind of definition for no particular reason? How do they look at that kind of thing and think it look remotely good? I don't understand it.
I think they're scared kids will be put off by film grain because bit doesn't look like sterile modern cartoons, but that in itself is fucking irritating considering the target audience is people who saw the original and want it in its best form. It's such a shame seeing old animation being treated like this.
@@ccateni28 Quite a lot, honestly, but the biggest offenders I've seen are Sword in the Stone and Cinderella. Cinderella's colour correction crushes all the fine details out, while SitS looks worse than what Funi's done here with the needless blurring. Google image search "sword in the stone blu-ray blurring" for the insanity. But, they're all like it to some degree.
I agree, if they honestly want to make the highest quality collection for the most hardcore of fans they shouldn't do ANYTHING to the original films. How crazy would it be to not only get an unedited copy of the original films but a completely uncropped one as well. This would give viewers not only an authentic experience, but one nobody has ever gotten before.
I’m so glad you pointed out why the Level sets failed. I finished the Dragon Boxes as they released, I wasn’t going to immediately buy the new Blu Rays. Knowing what I know now about the colors of the D-Boxes make me want something better, and the level sets were that (minus Funi’s aversion to the Japanese title cards). Claiming the levels failed were because of anything other than oversaturation at time of release is bad faith of the highest order. AND THEN there’s still the discussion of the JP broadcast audio and any chance of a proper HD release of DB, GT, and the movies and specials.
I honestly think Funimation hates Dragonball. Have we actually had a release other than the season sets? I suppose we should be grateful for a complete release at all.
With all these problems, we forgot to mention original title cards, next episode previews, and the lost Japanese broadcast audio that the fans so painstakingly collected using recorded VHS tapes and then handed in to funimation. And another thing, no other set except the dragon box set uses cha la head ch la as the opening for the English dub. Even if you watch it in english with original Japanese Kikuchi score, it still plays the American rock theme. just a nit pick but still.
I haven’t watched Dragon Ball Z since I was 4 or 5 in the 90s. I’m hardly a fan anymore. I kinda just wandered in here because I like scandal. This video is so well done and I’m APPALLED. This is a travesty to DBZ fans.
Sadly, they have hit their goal, now. It's official. The fanbase is now officially just as much to blame for this crap as Funimation is. Funimation keeps selling us shit and we keep eating it up. They hit the goal. It's done. You're late on this. They just reached 3,000 and production is now started on this pile of crap.
Frankly, I can't say I'm suprised. From the way they have handled past controversies, Funimation is, and always has been, horribly mismanaged. I love how they say "Oh, we're going to remaster in the ORIGINAL 4:3 aspect ratio!" and expect fans to NOT complain. On a high profile series like DBZ, you should try to properly remaster the series ~even if it costs you a few hundred GRAND~ instead of running a two-dollar program to clean it up. Not to mention the fact that Funi's employees are acting like they are somehow "just as hardcore". I get that you're trying to support your company, but insulting the fans because they don't like what you're doing? No, you are not "hardcore" just because you work on the series; you are hardcore if you want the series to be done right, which it is obviously not. Honestly, I was hoping that Toei was going to remaster the series themselves, and it be a worldwide release. But, as per usual, my expectations were too damn high for these numbskulls.
Ajay scolds Funimation for 10 Minutes, Part 2! Sorry you're so frustrated. I may not be a hardcore DB fan, but you guys deserve better for the 30th anniversary release.
And my respect for them continues to decrease. They have the nerve to do this instead of responding to the blacklash appropriately and try to fix their mistakes. I'm really getting to the point where I feel they shouldn't hold the license to Dragon Ball anymore if they're going to continue doing this.
Kyle Edwards did he say he was going to buy it? Is he not allowed to complain? You want him to act like a brainwashed money machine and just gobble whatever funimation throws at him or not say anything at all? Where is the logic in what you’re saying???
I just don't understand how this shit is so hard for Funimation to grasp. The sheer licensing nightmare of DBZ got a whole bunch of fans who like different things- the Bruce music, Japanese music, different dubbings, etc.. All of those licensing issues are now, essentially, dealt with and are under one roof: Funimation. The video, audio, everything is basically all in their wheelhouse and has been for years. So why in the hell have they not come up with a set that gives us access to the different dubs, soundtracks, and both the preserved visuals (4:3 with grain or cleaned grain) and the widescreen, filtered, saturation boosted visuals (it seriously just looks like they ran a filter over the image and called it a day, not that they had an individual do frame-by-frame cleaning)? Throw it all into one set, set the price basically however high they want, and I'd buy it in a fucking heartbeat. Don't oversaturate the market with shitty releases and then wonder why everyone's not buying *all* of them when not a single one of them can appease all fans, and none of them appease the hardcore fan. Jfc, Funimation.
With the part about the edges at 2:43, I'm reminded of the yellow bricks which all have this weird pillar of different and sometimes better colours on the right hand side of the screen.
Am I the only one who thinks the raw footage with all of the film grain looks amazing? The smeary Blu Ray footage looks like those godawful filters you can use in SNES and GBA emulators. It compromises too much of the intended artistic vision.
the grain is nice once in a while, but Really to me, it depends on the scene in question. but they really shouldn't mess with colors if it's a serious project.
Yeah, no. Listen, we can all agree that the heavily grain reduced, DNR images Funi has shown off take it way too far and as a result there's smeary linework and detail loss, but the moment people start to talk like grain itself is a good thing, as opposed to a defect introduced by the production process that's just hard to remove without causing even more problems in the process is when you lose me. We can concede that grain removal is hard to do right without making the image worse without pretending Grain isn't something that ideally wouldn't be there to begin with.
@@MajoraZ yeah. We shouldn't look at it like it's an important or needed part of the show, Imperfections may help out Rose colored glasses, but it still drops the quality of the overall product If you hate it or not.
@@MajoraZ that's sadly the issue. the grain IS there, unless there were some hidden 1st gen film reels, or every single cell was re-complied and scanned digitally, there's absolutely no way this show can be as clean as originally intended, so these grainy 3rd gen masters ARE the ideal solution (unless there is some seriously magical DNR available, used with care)
@@MajoraZ I'm not saying it's like the ideal, or anything, but if I had to take the grain or the DNR, I'm gonna take the grain (provided it doesn't start screwing with the video to an obscene degree).
the timing of that release and the lack of episodes but heavy price is why they didn't sell..kai ruined any chance they had...people chose to just just buy the orange bricks first before kai or kai..and the dragonboxes….the level sets really were what certain people like this guy wanted...a remix frame by frame without much cropping
I just think they're going way too overboard with all of the post processing. It may just be me, but if I'm spending large coin on a box of a 30 year old anime... I want it to look like a 30 year old anime. Gimme the grain, gimme the flaws, it's part of the show and part of its history
Buffy fans are dealing with the same incompetence with cropping, color correction, and grain removal for that series' release. Some companies just don't care about the quality.
@@the-NightStar it's such a shame they are growing a negative reputation, why cant they listen to the fans. Especially Ajay who knows what he's talking about its literally his job to understand animation
Because smart intelligent buyers are always in the minority thats why man! (shrugs) The fans in the know, know when to avoid; double and triple dip re-releases when the company keeps on doing the same old sh-t? Fan endeavors even if put on Dragonball websites will offer up far better; fan-made remastering efforts than the official company these days!
On Discord, a FUNimation rep said to send detailed complaints to funimation.com/support. Don't worry about which category you choose, they said the care team will sort it and send it to the right people. Please send messages people, this might be one of our last shots at a proper release of Dragon Ball Z.
As if they're actually going to check their support messages. @ them on twitter, reddit, discord, etc not somewhere where your voice can be boxed up and shoved in a digital corner
@@10547693 True, send it everywhere. Their moderation has also just approved a chunk of comments on the blog post, and several are mentioning the issues. One even linked this video. Come on guys, we don't have to let the hope die yet!
@@skeith804 Great, that's the best thing to do. Comment on the blog post as well, their moderation just approved a decent sized batch of comments, most of which are talking about these issues. Add your voice, everyone!
@@10547693 Nah, go through official channels. @ing people on twitter isn't going to do much since the big wigs aren't actually on there. VAs and such are mostly independent contractors.
Funimation: "hmm hmm. Well thought out complaints. We see your point. We'll get right on it." DBZ Anniversary Collection: Oops nothing but *_grain_* edition
Level Sets failed because Funimation was asking for too much while giving the fans too little too late. Its their fault as a company, not ours. A good company learns from their mistakes while a bad company like Funimation never admits their faults and continues to repeat them. If not for Dragonball Z, nobody would even know what funimation is.
"They aren't releasing until November, there's still plenty of time." To fix 291 episodes of footage? I don't know...unless the plan isn't to release it all as one set.
yeah, no, i'm not going buy this set at all since it is a dishonest mess and looks, simply put, ugly. i own S1 of the organs bricks and it doesn't look good, it was a present and still enjoyable to watch every now and then for the old funi dub, but that's about it.
Ajay's pissed. He's going super saiyajin. Also, much apprecieted for the vid, but I also always wondered if there's a cool version to watch classic kid goku db.
Ummmm... Unnecessary that will just hurt dbz while we want it to go up. Kick or stand pick your damn sides after the damn trial. Funi had to do what they did, they just didn't need to talk about it. Anyhow these remaster and TOP and Broly are amazing with funi. So you can eat your comment.
All the comments that are against you are pissing me off so much. from me I would like to say thank you for doing this and I hope it makes a difference. I'm really passionate about watching dragon Ball z in the best possible format. I'm so obsessed with the level set detail and it's my dream to watch the whole series with that level of quality. I would pay a lot for it. You are definitely making a difference thank you.
![Beast Gohan vs Ultra Ego Vegeta - [Sprite Animation]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/sTMOdgpaL_A/mqdefault.jpg)
I met Kyle Hebert at a Con yesterday. I told him “I was gonna have you sign a DBZ blu ray set, but Funimation keeps handling the blu ray release of the series the same way George Lucas handled the original Star Wars trilogy.” To which he replied “You’re ABSOLUTELY correct.”
The Prequels weren’t horrible, nostalgia glasses blind those boomers who viewed the original trilogy as the “holy grail”.
@@dystopianfuture1165 I was talking about the Special Editions. But yes I agree, Revenge of the Sith wasn’t horrible.
Imagining explaining to Funimation how film works and they're like, "That's just your opinion."
Like Gohan, Ajay's power is awakened by rage.
Facts
😂 it's awakened by the needless death of detail, cell was gonna do noise reduction on the world so it wouldn't seem 3d but funimation thought that was to small scale 😂 noise reduction on the universe 🤔 wounder how much detail would be on David Attenborough's planet Earth series if funimation did it ohh there's a whale ohhh no it was a manatee god damn i can't see a thing who filmed this? 😂
they won't listen, funimation is crap and it will be because their target audience are manchildrne's who buy everything with dragon ball sign slapped on the box
Cringe
This shit is EXACTLY why many anime fans don't buy most anime legally. Many free downloads have fan made restorations that have superior HD remasters than official offerings.
Can you point me to them?
Nope. Fans don't have access to their raw frames, so HOW would they make restorations?
What fans HAVE made are superior MUXES. They get the best sources of audio and video and sync them. As it stands, the best video comes from the Level sets for the Saiyan Arc, which are HD, and the Dragon Box Z sets for the other arcs, which AREN'T HD. As it stands, there is no existing HD remaster of the entire show.
Plot twist. Funimation only continues to push the product because they're Ajay fans and want more videos.
LMAOO
@JustinBieber VEVO doubt
Well that's not hard to believe because negative publicity is still attention.
@@tdfern1 yeah but Funi wants our money too. No matter how much attention they get, if no one pays then it doesn't matter.
*DAYUMMMM*
"Mr. Nostalgia walking into Walmart looking for his $15 Blu-ray is not your target audience here."
THANK YOU!
That line was glorious.
MR. Purist who has a taste for the most hardcore experience the definitive original masters broadcast footage and audio is your target audience.
That's basically my best friend. Except well he can't afford them anyways, haha.
@@AirshBornely If they end doing things right and fixing everything they're supposed to be released in November. Early Christmas present for your friend? :D
Hey ... I'm cheap what can I say. I dont like to blow money
When you see this red background you know this is gonna be epic
7:42- this was the part that really upset me. I get not knowing anything at all about digital remastering, but after somebody explains it to you, what is the point of fighting a proper remaster?
“Me and my friends growing up are hardcore dB fans. None of us really want grain”
This person can already pick up the orange bricks or the regular Blu Ray’s to get their no grain edition, but they choose to actively fight against a proper remaster.
We will never own a true legitimate collection of the series at this rate.
No, that’s why I’m going to start buying the old single DVDs.
The Dragon Boxes are the closest thing we have currently
@@kas261 I'm not wasting more than $100 per season tho
Megatron_ _2000 you talking about that dvd with the 3 eps
@@Megatron-xs2qe They’re not complete.
The first batch of episodes up to episode 67 are censored, and only include the ocean dub.
Not even the Dragon Balls can save Funimation from AnimeAjay
gonna need a senzu bean for that one XD
What about the black star balls...
@@jsc315 haha was about to say the same thing followed by oh yeah we do not speak of the non canon 😂 canon be damned I like ssj4, 10x Kamehameha and the big bang Kamehameha and I'll give you the ssj4 gogeta I have no defence for that except vegeta had a bad day on the mental side that day
Funimation is growing a very bad reputation..
Big time
Timmy Turner Oh hey, it’s you.
They already do right now.
Timmy Turner They’ve had one since the orange bricks and they had a chance to redeem themselves with the Level Sets but with a bad release time as Ajay said, they didn’t sell well and only think these things sell well due to grain removal
Harry Price its not just because of the quality lol there’s other things
"The saga of funimation's incompetence continues" That aged very well
I don't think it'll age poorly, at least in the short term.
A fine wine that will age forever more
Dragon Ball Z deserves to be released in the best possible quality possible, end of story.
To be honest dbz deserves to get a remake. Like i would kill too see dbz in actual modern animation. Dbs sucks so remake would be amazing.
@@velocious8002 nah it's perfect as is old animation and all plus unless it's someone like the director of one punch man season 1 tag teaming with another legendary animator then I'd have no hype for a remake
edgarrr most anime fans now can’t even tell the difference between good animation & digital coloring. You could have sub-par animation + digital coloring & they think it’s the best thing ever.
@@velocious8002 ever heard of dbz kai???? Theres ur remastered and remake there end of story
@@timelord2052 lol chill kid. Kai is just shorter version of dbz. it ain't remake im talking about, like read what im talking about before u speak. I said I would like too see dbz in modern animation style lol. the same type animation like in this video ua-cam.com/video/aPFolXJkX4s/v-deo.html
God, I regret selling my Dragon Boxes.
Same here. I only had the 3rd, 5th and 7th Dragon Boxes and ended up selling them because the rest of Dragon Boxes were hard and expensive to get.
I'll be buying each missing box one by one. Funimation fucked up again.
Our lord and savior has come back and he is pissed
Wow
You're literally creating a narcissist...
Our Lord and Savior is Jesus Christ not Ajay!
@Jaden Curtis be nice
Jim Jim lord and savior my ass,fuck this ugly piece of shit
The response of “me and my hardcore db fan friends don’t want grain” is the biggest sign the funimation employee is missing the point.
We don’t want grain because we just enjoy grain for no reason….. we want the detail it just so happens that the detail is because of the grain….
Saying you don’t want grain is saying you don’t want detail.
Everyone wants to see the show for what it was suppose to be. Grain is a side effect.
Thanks for spreading awareness, dude. Most people have no idea what they're looking at but this should really open some peepers.
The reason people keep buying the orange bricks isn’t just because they’re cheap, it’s because THEY’RE ALL WE CAN GET. Funimation only released limited runs of the good stuff so what choice do new fans of the series have? I just recently got into Dragon Ball and pretty much every other DBZ release is out of print and going for ridiculous markups on the secondary market. Even the Walmart exclusive season set release from earlier this year is sold out and going for over $200 on eBay. It was three sets for $30 each six months ago!
I’ve spent a less than $300CAD on a DB blue brick set, DBGT, and the new steelbook DB Super set. It’s insane that my choices for DBZ are either orange bricks or paying more than I have for all the other series combined.
Funimation, you want people to buy your shit? Recoup cost from the remastering process? Then keep releasing it so people can actually buy it from you and not 3rd party sellers or bootleggers.
Ah shit , here we go again
Same here😂 man....
Worst place in the world...
I understood that reference!
LMAO
You can't bring back Funimation now, you've killed them twice
Gonna need Beerus to give them a Hakai while we're at it, just to be sure.
It's really frustrating that they don't understand why the Levels Sets didn't sell well.
You mean rereleasing dragon ball 6 times in 5 years is going to make the most expensive sets sell poorly?
Joe Neutrino They want to believe they are right, so they don’t have to put in the effort to fix it.
As if they know nothing of the Dragonball Community..
It’s also really frustrating that people get this pissed off about such petty shit
@@bestdrummerever1234 we live in a day where 4K Blu Rays are available at affordable prices. We can see and own and appreciate art how it was originally presented and captivated people. And today, one of the most iconic anime in history has consistently had low quality releases that inaccurately represent the original artwork. It's simply not possible to own this show anywhere close to the level of quality that one could pick up a new copy of... anything else. I understand the appeal of getting rid of scratches and dirt, but is it really such a foreign idea to want the ability to watch a high quality representation of this iconic (and extremely lucrative) program in my own home, and be able to appreciate the intent, skill, and presentation of the original artists? With the staggering number of DBZ DVDs mass produced with inferior quality over the years, I don't think it's too much to ask for a decent, modern day, high quality release. I've wanted to own this series myself for quite some time... but the few that I picked up over the years were so ugly, I was never inspired to even come close to completing the collection.
Those raw ones look way better. The grain doesnt diminish it in any way. The blu ray upscale and cutting the edges does. Look at the finer detail, its just gone. Dont they understand people just want the 100% untouched release?
thats why they wont release them funimation hates the fans with a burning passion
People are calling this the Black Brick, and not in good faith. That is where the bar has been set for this release. Funimation WHAT ARE YOU DOING
Not to mention episode 110 of dragon ball super's dub
And people wonder why pirated remuxes are so popular.
Where can I buy that??
@@Guar_dian That's not true at all and has never been true in the decade+ of private tracker communities, you share what other people want from you and other people share what you want from them. The whole point is that it's free, it would defeat the purpose otherwise...
It sucks that people of these times associate "hd" with over-saturated, smeared, blobs of colors. Like it or not I'll stick with my DragonBox set.
They are called purist. HD must look the same as they are use to and love, or it just doesn't do the image justice.
@@TheUltimateRare that doesn't make much sense. a "purist" if you will, would acknowledge that the 1080p resolution is the only logical thing that technically defines "HD" and everything else is just artistic/ rendering choice. not everyone is technologically oblivious enough to associate stupidity with "HD", especially not "purists" in this context. sorry if I sound rude.
What would be the highest quality set?
I'm so jealous you have the Dragon Boxes.
Yeah, varios “Remastered” videos (more in Spanish are A LOT satured, looks horrible
The RAWs actually look really nice, i would even take no crop at all and have the funky edges.
I think that looks kinda cool.
Man this set could be so cool, i have never been able to get a full dbz set and would love to have this if it was any good at all.
Again, Funi, how is it you do everything *except* your biggest money-maker right? Every other show I see from you usually seems to at least get somewhat decent treatment, and this feels more like a D minus, at best, and I'm being generous, here.
Noah Schneider, yeah. The D stands for Dragon Ball.
Dunderman 64 Does DB mean Dragon Ball?
@@SpiderEmblem I mean, if you *want* to compare this to Dragon Ball Minus's quality, I won't stop you, I more meant a D- grade (which, in retrospect, was being a bit too nice).
Noah Schneider I’m glad you interpreted it that way. Originally, it was a lame, brainless joke, that wasn’t going anywhere.
Ignorant people will buy anything with the name DB on it. By not releasing a decent set they always keep the hopes up for people who care for a correct release.
The same people who reply with stuff like "lol get laid" "this isn't that serious" "why all the complaining?" are the same children who get scammed on the daily basis who think criticism shouldn't be justified and continue to eat shit.
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THANK YOU
Will you be reviewing the new season of one punch man due to the change in art style? It seems like something you would do and its would be very interesting to hear you point out the changes and details.
UA-cam's processing is just amazing isn't it
i wish we had a release of its pure, original state. even with the beveled and distorted edges
You keep it 100% real and don't hold back. Stay like that bro u nailed it
He's so informative, Timmy Turner wished to get a UA-cam account.
The ironic part is that they're owned by the company that made the Blu Ray
Why is animation so poorly treated on blu-ray? Even the Disney blu-rays went through this nonsense.
Is there just a cabal of morons in the animation business that hate grain and any kind of definition for no particular reason?
How do they look at that kind of thing and think it look remotely good? I don't understand it.
I think they're scared kids will be put off by film grain because bit doesn't look like sterile modern cartoons, but that in itself is fucking irritating considering the target audience is people who saw the original and want it in its best form. It's such a shame seeing old animation being treated like this.
Which blu rays by Disney have this? So I can avoid them.
@@ccateni28 Quite a lot, honestly, but the biggest offenders I've seen are Sword in the Stone and Cinderella.
Cinderella's colour correction crushes all the fine details out, while SitS looks worse than what Funi's done here with the needless blurring.
Google image search "sword in the stone blu-ray blurring" for the insanity.
But, they're all like it to some degree.
@@Zikar the best disney restaoration is Pinoccho :)
I agree, if they honestly want to make the highest quality collection for the most hardcore of fans they shouldn't do ANYTHING to the original films. How crazy would it be to not only get an unedited copy of the original films but a completely uncropped one as well. This would give viewers not only an authentic experience, but one nobody has ever gotten before.
I’m so glad you pointed out why the Level sets failed. I finished the Dragon Boxes as they released, I wasn’t going to immediately buy the new Blu Rays. Knowing what I know now about the colors of the D-Boxes make me want something better, and the level sets were that (minus Funi’s aversion to the Japanese title cards). Claiming the levels failed were because of anything other than oversaturation at time of release is bad faith of the highest order.
AND THEN there’s still the discussion of the JP broadcast audio and any chance of a proper HD release of DB, GT, and the movies and specials.
I honestly think Funimation hates Dragonball. Have we actually had a release other than the season sets? I suppose we should be grateful for a complete release at all.
@@koloth5139 Ikr it's 😢 sad
I really expected more
Koloth only the saga sets
With all these problems, we forgot to mention original title cards, next episode previews, and the lost Japanese broadcast audio that the fans so painstakingly collected using recorded VHS tapes and then handed in to funimation. And another thing, no other set except the dragon box set uses cha la head ch la as the opening for the English dub. Even if you watch it in english with original Japanese Kikuchi score, it still plays the American rock theme. just a nit pick but still.
Angry Ajay is fun to listen to
Ikr
Nah it's nauseating
It's very cathartic.
Does anyone know what happened to Ajay? I miss this man’s content so much!
Some people have started getting the 30th anniversary set so hopefully he'll be back with an update on how it looks.
LegendaryAntiHero I hope you’re right sir 👍
He came of retirement to talk about this set. He quit after Super ended probably wont be back till super comes back.
Time proved you right quickly. Excellent, very clear video, it seriously needed this tone
(pls don't disappear again)
I haven’t watched Dragon Ball Z since I was 4 or 5 in the 90s. I’m hardly a fan anymore. I kinda just wandered in here because I like scandal. This video is so well done and I’m APPALLED. This is a travesty to DBZ fans.
The irony of these 2 Ajay's videos getting more than 3000 likes.
They still haven't hit 3,000 and there's 15 days left. I'm hoping they don't reach their goal if they don't bother to give fans what they want.
Sadly, they have hit their goal, now. It's official. The fanbase is now officially just as much to blame for this crap as Funimation is. Funimation keeps selling us shit and we keep eating it up. They hit the goal. It's done. You're late on this. They just reached 3,000 and production is now started on this pile of crap.
@@the-NightStar Uhhh, it still says 2813/6000. The goal is 3,000
www.funimation.com/dbz30th/
Turns out that's units remaining. Oops. That makes more sense then
I'm not even angry
I'm just disappointed
Frankly, I can't say I'm suprised. From the way they have handled past controversies, Funimation is, and always has been, horribly mismanaged.
I love how they say "Oh, we're going to remaster in the ORIGINAL 4:3 aspect ratio!" and expect fans to NOT complain. On a high profile series like DBZ, you should try to properly remaster the series ~even if it costs you a few hundred GRAND~ instead of running a two-dollar program to clean it up. Not to mention the fact that Funi's employees are acting like they are somehow "just as hardcore". I get that you're trying to support your company, but insulting the fans because they don't like what you're doing? No, you are not "hardcore" just because you work on the series; you are hardcore if you want the series to be done right, which it is obviously not.
Honestly, I was hoping that Toei was going to remaster the series themselves, and it be a worldwide release. But, as per usual, my expectations were too damn high for these numbskulls.
Ajay scolds Funimation for 10 Minutes, Part 2!
Sorry you're so frustrated. I may not be a hardcore DB fan, but you guys deserve better for the 30th anniversary release.
Just wait for 38th anniversary release lul.
"We made this for the hardcore subset of fans!"
"You mean the ones who forked over money for the level sets?"
"Hey look over there, a deer!"
And my respect for them continues to decrease. They have the nerve to do this instead of responding to the blacklash appropriately and try to fix their mistakes. I'm really getting to the point where I feel they shouldn't hold the license to Dragon Ball anymore if they're going to continue doing this.
Exactly my opinion too. Preach brother!
Fully agree. Funimation keep dropping the ball >.
Then dont buy it. Nobody says you have to spend money on something you dont like
Kyle Edwards did he say he was going to buy it? Is he not allowed to complain? You want him to act like a brainwashed money machine and just gobble whatever funimation throws at him or not say anything at all? Where is the logic in what you’re saying???
Well guess what you might just get your wish because Toei Animation is contemplating to cut off from Funimation.
I just don't understand how this shit is so hard for Funimation to grasp.
The sheer licensing nightmare of DBZ got a whole bunch of fans who like different things- the Bruce music, Japanese music, different dubbings, etc.. All of those licensing issues are now, essentially, dealt with and are under one roof: Funimation. The video, audio, everything is basically all in their wheelhouse and has been for years.
So why in the hell have they not come up with a set that gives us access to the different dubs, soundtracks, and both the preserved visuals (4:3 with grain or cleaned grain) and the widescreen, filtered, saturation boosted visuals (it seriously just looks like they ran a filter over the image and called it a day, not that they had an individual do frame-by-frame cleaning)?
Throw it all into one set, set the price basically however high they want, and I'd buy it in a fucking heartbeat. Don't oversaturate the market with shitty releases and then wonder why everyone's not buying *all* of them when not a single one of them can appease all fans, and none of them appease the hardcore fan. Jfc, Funimation.
*The red background is Ajay's inner rage*
With the part about the edges at 2:43, I'm reminded of the yellow bricks which all have this weird pillar of different and sometimes better colours on the right hand side of the screen.
Ajay went full British.
You never go full British
*WRATH ASCENSION*
Am I the only one who thinks the raw footage with all of the film grain looks amazing? The smeary Blu Ray footage looks like those godawful filters you can use in SNES and GBA emulators. It compromises too much of the intended artistic vision.
Everyone thinks this except the managers at dunimation
NGL, I actually like the extra grain of the photocopies, a bit. I dunno, it makes the picture look more three-dimensional, to me.
the grain is nice once in a while, but Really to me, it depends on the scene in question. but they really shouldn't mess with colors if it's a serious project.
Yeah, no. Listen, we can all agree that the heavily grain reduced, DNR images Funi has shown off take it way too far and as a result there's smeary linework and detail loss, but the moment people start to talk like grain itself is a good thing, as opposed to a defect introduced by the production process that's just hard to remove without causing even more problems in the process is when you lose me. We can concede that grain removal is hard to do right without making the image worse without pretending Grain isn't something that ideally wouldn't be there to begin with.
@@MajoraZ yeah. We shouldn't look at it like it's an important or needed part of the show, Imperfections may help out Rose colored glasses, but it still drops the quality of the overall product If you hate it or not.
@@MajoraZ that's sadly the issue. the grain IS there, unless there were some hidden 1st gen film reels, or every single cell was re-complied and scanned digitally, there's absolutely no way this show can be as clean as originally intended, so these grainy 3rd gen masters ARE the ideal solution (unless there is some seriously magical DNR available, used with care)
@@MajoraZ I'm not saying it's like the ideal, or anything, but if I had to take the grain or the DNR, I'm gonna take the grain (provided it doesn't start screwing with the video to an obscene degree).
so sad they cancelled the level sets
the timing of that release and the lack of episodes but heavy price is why they didn't sell..kai ruined any chance they had...people chose to just just buy the orange bricks first before kai or kai..and the dragonboxes….the level sets really were what certain people like this guy wanted...a remix frame by frame without much cropping
I just think they're going way too overboard with all of the post processing. It may just be me, but if I'm spending large coin on a box of a 30 year old anime... I want it to look like a 30 year old anime. Gimme the grain, gimme the flaws, it's part of the show and part of its history
*SWEARS, SPEED, ANGER AND OST, the Avatarian elements defining Ajay's wrath.*
By 2045 we will have an affordable good dbz set! Huzaa!
Not even
You had a typo.
*2450
Finally!!! ☺✊
8:28 "I don't care as much about the colours. I can fix that myself." Don't give them shitty ideas, Ajay.
When you're so early the video is still at 360p!
2:28 This is so de-grained and smoothed that it looks like vector art.
#BringBackTheLevelSets #ReleaseTheRaws
This is exactly what we needed! Amazing video thank you for continuing to spread the awareness!
Here from Totally Not Mark, I just wanted to say good job on the video and that you are a great animator.
A madhouse boi just got hospitalized for overtime, tf
Not surprised
@@shakta9059 that shouldn't be happening, man
@@thecake6635 dude overtime with no pay and getting hospitalized is so common in Japanese animation industry . Which is sad .
@@shakta9059 I've heard WIT is worse
Talking about the important things here. Speaking for the OG's. Thanks man.
What an EXCELENT video. So, the best way to watch is fan-made versions. RAW video from japanese Dragon Boxes + english dubs & subs.
Netflix having the EVA license don't seem so bad now.
You know I would actually like to see an entire video based on how the home releases of anime are made.
Good on you for vocalizing why the release should not be supported. I hope Funi clears the wax out of their ears and listens.
That grain removal is really bad.
Funimation seems to have a lot of Blockheads working for their organization.
I don't even watch Dragonball anymore but seeing this and the previous video still got me mad as hell... What the hell is Funimation doing?
FUNimation just turned into Bethesda in a matter of seconds.
Dude, those before images with the grain look so fantastic.
Buffy fans are dealing with the same incompetence with cropping, color correction, and grain removal for that series' release. Some companies just don't care about the quality.
Ugh I saw that too. Their remaster of the show has taken away the way it was meant to look. Doesn’t even look like the same show.
Ajay is schooling funimation woah
It's more like he's talking sense to a brick wall. Funimation isn't listening no matter what he says.
@@the-NightStar it's such a shame they are growing a negative reputation, why cant they listen to the fans. Especially Ajay who knows what he's talking about its literally his job to understand animation
How do people still give this company money? I stopped buying items from them years ago.
Because smart intelligent buyers are always in the minority thats why man! (shrugs) The fans in the know, know when to avoid; double and triple dip re-releases when the company keeps on doing the same old sh-t? Fan endeavors even if put on Dragonball websites will offer up far better; fan-made remastering efforts than the official company these days!
"They've put Gohan in the oven for too long and he's coming out looking like a lobster." You've made my day.
Funimation treats Dragon Ball the same way AtGames treated and released really crappy emulation consoles.
It's actually pretty sad Funimation is doubling down on their mistakes
Funimation is incompetent, just give the license to someone else already. Anyone else at this point would be an upgrade.
Don't kill me with cancer
The raws look amazing, love that old grainy look.
On Discord, a FUNimation rep said to send detailed complaints to funimation.com/support. Don't worry about which category you choose, they said the care team will sort it and send it to the right people. Please send messages people, this might be one of our last shots at a proper release of Dragon Ball Z.
As if they're actually going to check their support messages. @ them on twitter, reddit, discord, etc not somewhere where your voice can be boxed up and shoved in a digital corner
Good thing to point out, but I sent messages to them basically everywhere including their support site just in case.
@@10547693 True, send it everywhere. Their moderation has also just approved a chunk of comments on the blog post, and several are mentioning the issues. One even linked this video. Come on guys, we don't have to let the hope die yet!
@@skeith804 Great, that's the best thing to do. Comment on the blog post as well, their moderation just approved a decent sized batch of comments, most of which are talking about these issues. Add your voice, everyone!
@@10547693 Nah, go through official channels. @ing people on twitter isn't going to do much since the big wigs aren't actually on there. VAs and such are mostly independent contractors.
Funimation: "hmm hmm. Well thought out complaints. We see your point. We'll get right on it."
DBZ Anniversary Collection: Oops nothing but *_grain_* edition
The new release looks very blurry and overlighted. It just hurts to look at it. No realy I got headaches
If the last video was Funimation making Ajay go SS2, this is Ajay Kamehameha blasting them into oblivion.
Don’t know why you used the picture of a 2 legged cat for Mr. Nostalgia but I approve
Great vid as always
Thank you for the video I had no idea
Level Sets failed because Funimation was asking for too much while giving the fans too little too late. Its their fault as a company, not ours. A good company learns from their mistakes while a bad company like Funimation never admits their faults and continues to repeat them. If not for Dragonball Z, nobody would even know what funimation is.
It's encouraging that they responded to the first video/related criticism, hopefully they continue to feel the fans out and change course!
"You get the smeary, broken, fuckery on the right."
映像を傷つけるやつ！
許さねぞ！
"They aren't releasing until November, there's still plenty of time." To fix 291 episodes of footage? I don't know...unless the plan isn't to release it all as one set.
yeah, no, i'm not going buy this set at all since it is a dishonest mess and looks, simply put, ugly.
i own S1 of the organs bricks and it doesn't look good, it was a present and still enjoyable to watch every now and then for the old funi dub, but that's about it.
Can someone explain to me how a box set of season 1 of "The Simpson" from 2001, looks exponentially better than a dbz blu ray release in 2019?
Because it was made by competent people who knew what they were doing?
Ajay's pissed. He's going super saiyajin. Also, much apprecieted for the vid, but I also always wondered if there's a cool version to watch classic kid goku db.
I’ve never seen Ajay more pissed
With the kick Vic movement and and this garbage, I really hope Toei takes away dragon ball away from funimation!!
Ummmm... Unnecessary that will just hurt dbz while we want it to go up. Kick or stand pick your damn sides after the damn trial. Funi had to do what they did, they just didn't need to talk about it. Anyhow these remaster and TOP and Broly are amazing with funi. So you can eat your comment.
Elvick exactly
I just want the full 4:3, with the original Japanese audio the fans were able to save
I want that and the option of American music. I know it's not popular but people like me would love that option
All the comments that are against you are pissing me off so much. from me I would like to say thank you for doing this and I hope it makes a difference. I'm really passionate about watching dragon Ball z in the best possible format. I'm so obsessed with the level set detail and it's my dream to watch the whole series with that level of quality. I would pay a lot for it. You are definitely making a difference thank you.
I don't know if it's my colorblindness but aside from the floor tiles and smoke I don't notice much of a difference.
Why can't funimation just give us all a dvd/blu-ray release of the original TV version