Charlie Kirk Vs. College Student: Socialism Debate 👀
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
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Gen Z wants to be National Socialists Nazi's 😂
Also looking to conquer the world.
I dunno why they call themselves "socialists" at all, but I think the "National" part limits the things that are socialistic for just the "dominant race" That has the "birth right" etc, I dunno with what else they came up with for their ideology and I honestly don't wanna know more because I am German myself and I am still feeling disgusted to be born in a Nation with a past of systematic Genocide.
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”
-Winston Churchill
@@CrowdJusticeUS What does crowd justice look like? Tyranny of the crowds? Not in my US!
Since Capitalism was introduced, world poverty was cut to single digits. That's not the definition of failure. Capitalists are competitive not envious. (Yes, there is a difference there.) Competitive societies are more informed and less ignorant. The most miserable societies are are communist/socialist societies, and they have the receipts to prove it. Moa Zedong's Chine, 50,000,000 - 100,000,000 people killed. Stalin's Russia, 20,000,000 - 50,000,000 people killed. Venezuela, Cuba North Korea are still a modern day example for a continuing head count of socialist misery.
Can you show me where a capitalistic society has ever failed so spectacularly?
I was just going to state this. Thank you
@@CrowdJusticeUS nobody is a genius at everything
@@CrowdJusticeUS You think the free market is the source of evil? Or is it maybe too much governmental control over it's people?
@@CrowdJusticeUS If the problem is rich people having too much influence over politicians, and the politicians have too much influence over the people, then you need to reduce govt control and let the people do their thang.
If a student tells you that they are socialist or communist, ask them to donate part of their GPA to a "less fortunate" student with poorer grades. Then watch them run away.
Its like saying everything that has spice is spicy, something can be too spicy and not spicy at all and still have spice
Good analogy!
That young man was conflating socialism with social responsibility and I'm afraid Charlie didn't pick up on that. Being socially responsible isn't socialism. The free market needs its society and environment to be secure by ensuring that workers can get to work safely and that businesses can run both profitably and efficiently whilst maintaining the safety of their employees. Those are all key elements to a successful society that is both high trust and compassionate.
Tell this young man to go to Canada or another socialist country and then he’ll understand exactly what it means. If he likes it better, then apply for citizenship.
Canada isn’t a socialist country the same way that the scandinavian countries aren’t socialist. Charlie has said it himself.
Venezuela would be a good spot
Iraq.
@@Yantrus You can still experience forms of socialism in these countries, as they're taxed at a much higher rate, and you can go to jail for simply hurting the feelings of others.
@@movienight9302 The united states is the only country that still taxes its citizens even when they move to a different country. But no one wants to talk about that.
Goober is just arguing to be arguing.
Socialism exists on a spectrum…saying it this way should make a lefty understand😂
This guy really is obnoxious. He is trying so hard to "getcha" and it's quite obvious
To the point when he’s lying when he says he has never called the police NOR gone to a hospital. There is no way I believe that - the little snot lied right through his teeth.
@sean2015 I'm so confused. Why do these brats think this way and act like this?
I'm 46. When we were in college, we drank and partied and never ever discussed this stuff or protested nonsense. It boggles my mind. Besides girls and music, maybe we'd talk about aliens and stars and stuff when baked out of our minds.
Guess it proves how much has changed with education mixed with smartphone brain and echo chambers.
I'd also add that Gen X and so on have become very lazy and made enormous mistakes raising kids.
I have a daughter and she is aware of so much politically correct nonsense that she will be one of the ones like Kirk and Candace. She won't even walk in the pride themed crosswalk in my town. She's 10. Hahaha
Proud Dad!
@@nickmenza2671 I'm the same age as you. I think it's the fact that this generation grew up with social media, and also the fact that TV networks like CNN and especially MSNBC have become much farther left in the past couple of decades. This has brainwashed the younger generation.
The problem is the size of big government and its intrusiveness on citizens’ lives and business. Small government is necessary; Big government is bad, and begets corruption and authoritarianism.
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT
Well stated.
Charlie is Spitting Straight Facts and there's A very BIG Difference between Paying Taxes and socialism
I live in Cuba, and here we have the highest taxes in the continent and at the same time we have THE WORST public security, THE WORST public medical helthcare, THE WORST public schools based in brain Washington in favor of comunism, THE WORST public transportation, THE WORST public retiremet plans. THE WORST public garage recollection and on and on
He was almost certainly BORN in a hospital, so yes, he’s been in a hospital.
"A safety net, not a hammock". Problem is: too many people want the safety net to become a hammock!
The kid had a point, taxes are a form of socialism. Charlie is a smart guy but he can never admit he is wrong. I notice he often name calls opponents lately. This could have been a far more respectful debate.
Save a dollar, spend a nothers
NHK reporter ask a visiting MIT professor.why socialism failed.
His reply is that socialism is not about social justice.its about envy and resentment.
The government functions and taxation to pay for responsible government spending in a social democracy is “CONSENSUAL”.
What government is anarchist? The young man is good at arguing but lousy at understanding.
Socialism is the OWNERSHIP of the means of production by the state.
No income taxes. Only sales taxes on luxury goods, high one. And high tariffs to stimulate domestic production and jobs, especially on goods and materials imported from our adversaries like China.
Do you call police or go to hospital ? NO
Do you drive on roads or bridges ? NO
Sounds like that guy is an ancap, not a Leftist. He's clearly not advocating for socialism.
What is ancap?
Socialism is the constitutional Republic. Communism is the lawless hypocrites
“Socialism is built on envy and greed”??? Without greed there would be no Capitalism. Even Gordon Gecko said in Wall Street that “Greed is GOOD!”. It’s a fundamental part of our innate competitive spirit that drives us. It’s literally the cornerstone of Capitalism.
At that point just say “ok great so if we had 10% tax across the board, still constituting what you call socialism, would you stop complaining that we need more?”
0 income tax, just tariffs. thats the solution
Trump has already suggested tariffs as a replacement for income taxes
We didn't have an income tax until 1913....we don't need income tax.
@@MaryEverlingWHEN Trump IS elected I believe he will impose tariffs on his first day, or soon after. These tariffs will generate huge income for us!!!
@@queenbunnyfoofoo6112And it was only supposed to be temporary.
@@butcho7492 Yep.
🎵 "Imagine there's no country. it's easy if you try" 🎵
True, but those words were written by a Socialist!!
A little bit of taxes is a good thing. It does fund our police force, firefighters, schools, roads etc...high taxation is always bad, high inflation is always bad. That's common sense. The problem is our taxes are being used to line the pockets of politicians or being sent overseas instead of being spent here. That's when it becomes a problem. It just like a small government is a good thing, a large government can be a bad thing. You dont want the government involved in every little thing.
Wow the guy actually outsmarted Charlie
There are different types of socialism. (Libertarian socialism vs state socialism.) Socialism is workers control of the means of production. Socialism is democracy in the workplace. "Those who work in the mills ought to own them."
people who cut others off have just proven that they are wrong in what they are speaking..lol
If I had a choice in deciding to pay taxes but if I never took part in the consent
Educated his damn brains out.
He kinda got you there regarding to taxes
He is absolutely correct.
Troy McGinty got into college??
A young child arguing about why he can’t have all the candies that he wants…you can’t debate with a young child. Trust me..
Socialism leads to Communism.
0:06 I know what isn't pro American: not airing live events on your UA-cam page (aka your major platform)
Edúcate evestigate
facts
The nordic countries (Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Norway) are all very wealthy and built on socialism. People live good lives and enjoy a high standard of living, just saying.
We finance 100% of Finland's military budget. It is an extremely wealthy country. Their income tax rate is around 60%. A Honda Accord costs around $50k there. Nothing is really free. Our system-though obviously not perfect- is the best one in the world. There is no other country on earth that literally tens of millions of people try to enter every year.
Even the Nordic countries themselves would say that they are not socialist states. They’re democratic states with market economies and strong social welfare systems.
I love you Charlie, but you lost this debate. The 10% Charlie, talks about is theft.
Charlie, please spend more time researching the history of taxes. You lost this debate by a hugh margin of 10%.
Charlie, needs to work on his tax stance. There should not be taxes only user fees.
Where SHOULD the Federal Government get its money for the military? Through import tarriffs.
Who pays to protect the border the people that cross the border need to be charged a fee to cross.
What grade are you in?
@@laryjohnson5736 Tax is theft no matter what grade you are in.
@@IamHereAgainDude Why are you too ashamed to say what grade you are in child?
@@laryjohnson5736 😜
@@IamHereAgainDude Why are you too ashamed to say what grade you are in?
hey buddy, I'll give you 10 to 1 odds that you were BORN in a hospital!!!
This is what happens when you're only goal is to find a "gotcha". That kid wasn't looking for genuine Understanding.
I just said that too in my comment.
Great minds!
I was wondering what his original point even was ? Getting Charlie to admit socialism is good because you need like 10% tax to operate a government ?
Charlie shouldve just said the guys argument is a strawman. Shoudve just kept it simple.
Well said.
@@chumbucket6184 .....HIs point was he thinks America is a socialist Country.
This young man has no experience in life.
Most young people have no experience in life and they've been tricked into staying at home in their one little room and they work on their computer and then in their free time they turn around and play on their Xbox and they never leave their little room and they stay indoors and they have no physical human contact and that's life now and they've all been tricked into it
@@Kr0n1kTh3Kl0wn True
Every socialist Ive ever met are also the stingyest people I've ever met.
They're not used to having much, man. Lmao
You guys just lie and run with it. You are the communist/capitalists. Total 💩. There is one. It's you
Define socialism. You "DURRRR"
Well yeah when you're used to fighting over crumbs before the Gestapo comes and takes them from you...
It tends to turn you into a POS person in general
@@CrowdJusticeUS the Marxist capitalism is about evil being good. They are evil 🐖 🐖 🐖
I remember being young and dumb young people are basically just simple things that have yet to learn
These Kids Are Clueless !
That's why the D people want them to vote.
Simping for Socialism is so cringe.
That kid destroyed Charlie. Charlie is mentally deficient
RIP English language.
I don't even like that word, and I agree with ya! D:
A little knowledge is dangerous.
Small Quibble: Socialism is usually built on Jealousy, not Envy. Envy is the feeling of "Why can't I ALSO have what they have?", while Jealousy is the feeling of "Why can't I take away what they have for myself?" Jealousy is zero-sum (i.e. for me to win, someone else has to lose), while Envy is not. Despite what they claim, Socialists don't want everyone to prosper, they want to steal form the prosperous to take for themselves. Which fits with the tenets of their ideology, since one of the cornerstones of Socialist and Communist thought is the very zero-sum idea that if someone has Capital, then they MUST have exploited others for it. That someone else MUST have lost in order for the Capitalist to win. Nevermind that reality is basically never a zero-sum game.
What logic did you use to come to the conclusion "Socialism is usually built on Jealousy, not Envy"? To suggest the masses, who're the one's uprising against the government, causing the political shift, aren't a mixed-bag, "usually" with the intent to "have what they have," makes absolutely no sense.
Also, why did you usurp these definitions in order to fit them in your narrative?
In this context, envy isn't the feeling of "Why can't I ALSO have what they have," it's, "why can't everyone have what they have."
Jealousy isn't, "Why can't I take away what they have for myself." Jealousy is the fear of losing something valuable to a perceived threat. It's about protecting what you already have from being taken away. For example, feeling jealous when your partner spends time with someone else because you fear losing their affection.
Therefore, jealous people will attempt to stop the envious from creating a socialist country.
Utterly false. Jealousy isn't protecting anything. It's predation on what others have. You're a piece of work.
The student asks a valid question: Where does socialism begin and free-market capitalism end? But I think he doesn’t understand the context of the discussion because he doesn’t know what’s been going on in the real world over the last century. Government has gotten much bigger and more intrusive to the point that individual freedom has been significantly affected, and trends suggest that this will continue towards socialism if not checked. I suppose it becomes socialism when the government becomes more powerful than the people that it’s supposed to serve.
You can add the five other deadly sins, Pride [month], Lust, Gluttony, Sloth and Wrath as well.
He drives on roads in an America guarded by a military paid for by taxpayers. I doubt VERY seriously he has ever paid into any of the services he’s enjoyed his entire shirt, ignorant existence.
amazing still talking about socialism and communism on a western campus
There is no representation of flyover country here. Just the vote sir. Move along. For fun go see who owned the slave ships.
That kid thinks he is sooooo smart…
Sorry, that is not the definition of socialism. Socialism is where the state runs all means of production, and private property is abolished, but personal property is allowed, like clothes.
They ate both talking out of their mouths. Local PROPERTY taxes are used for police, fire dept etc. Property tax is a fee people pay to have their property protected. That's not what income taxes are or used for. Income tax is mere tax on you just working, surviving. Totally different.
It's not either/or. The truth is, the majority of the world has mixed economies. The question is whether that economy is predominantly socialist or capitalist.
State owned > private owned = socialism.
Capitalism is the reason why socialist countries appeared. And socialism is the reason why capitalist countries introduced such seemingly obvious now solutions as public healthcare, public education, public retirement systems, public transportation... Ah, I forgot that you are in USA, Charlie. You practically don't have those things that all developed countries have :-)
Western Privileged on full display.
"Oh you agree to a smaller fixed amount of tax? Youre a socialist now" - College dude logic.
Thats like saying "you took a sip of wine so youre an alcohol addict now"
Moderate taxes can be considered payment for government services like roads and police.
Go HR-25 The FairTax Act
Social programs are NOT the same as socialism.
The ones that say they never call the cops are the first to call the cops.
Government can go out in their own money like it used to do
Kid is dancing on the head of a pin- he lives in the small points department
So, socialism or anarchy? 😂
Drink some more kool aid…..
It doesn't work.
Kirk is falling into evangelical disease here. "Free market with proper restraint"?
So you want no restraint.
Yes, you need to restraint market. Because without restraint or restrictions, it would inevitably lead to monopolies. Heck, even with restrictions, we still get monopolies cuz of loopholes, oversight and corruption.
How do you not know this?
@@laryjohnson5736 Incorrect. Kirk and you do not learn. That is the reason this nation is dead. You are asking government to do the restraint for you. That is how we are in this hell. Do you get it?
@@joshanonline You sound like an ignorant American who has given us the hell we live in. You do not understand monopolies, free market, individual rights. As kirk says all the time you should read a single book.
Is there a big vat of Flavoraid there?
Socialism isn't just confiscation of private property. It's when the government runs the economy, like deciding for the people that the vehicles will now be electric. The government decides which industries flourish, not the free market. And they use tax payer money to fund them.
@@CrowdJusticeUS - I'm sure you've heard that socialism leads to communism.
@@CrowdJusticeUS - A lot of things aren't "necessarily true," but they pretty much always end up happening... like power corrupting absolutely.
@@CrowdJusticeUS - I can agree with that. Some social programs and entitlements are a good idea. But it seems they're open to abuse by any/all admins. I'd like to see social security to actually be there when I put in for it.
@@CrowdJusticeUS - Agreed again. I never said it didn't happen. I only said it's unhealthy for the people, especially when governments get involved, when they have no credibility, a history of corruption, and no track record of any fiscal responsibility. Sounds like you agree.
Tri destructivo red
Coruptos fuera
Free Fuentes
Keep that racist away from the TRUE conservatives.
What do you get when you shave a CatBoi Fuentes?
A gimp!😂
I agree with flat taxes, should be 10% for ALL.
We pay taxes on our income and also continue paying taxes on EVERY THING purchased. Then our government
WASTE WASTE WASTE
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