How to frame a lean to roof with rafters and a notched birdsmouth - Pole Barn Shop Build Part 10
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- If you've wondered how to frame a lean to roof off a pole barn, this video will show you how I did it. I cut rafters out of 2x8s frame this pole barn lean to addition. I cut a birdsmouth notch to sit on the headers. The outer poles are set just like I set my poles for the barn and I used two 2x12s for the headers. I set one end on a ledger board and also secured the rafter to the header with angle brackets. Then on the outer end I used 2x6 rafter blocks to secure the rafter to the header.
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You're doing a good job on the lean to and you have the scars to show it!!! By the way, that looks like the same fly that bugs me all summer around here so if you can, kill the little SOB!!! Thanks in advance!!! Take 'er easy!!!
Thanks Mike! I'll do my best on that fly, but I think he went south for the winter. 😄 One of us will get the little bugger next year.
You have both missed that fly, it is now over here bothering me. Suggestion, soak your hat permethrin or some kind of bug spray - it works most of the time
@@Papastomper I got one of the 'Bug Free Zone' hats from Marks Work Warehouse one time. Didn't seem to make much difference to the flies!! LOL
The difference between flies and mosquitoes is that after you've swung at a mosquito enough times, it'll move along to keep from getting squished. Flies however apparently love a challenge, and no matter how often you swat at it, it'll keep coming back for more. Feeling your aggravation, man.
That fly gets an 8 out of 10. You get a ten for your good work.
Your gonna cut a birdsmouth on EVERY rafter? What a lotta work.
I figgered my slope was 10 degrees & cut a 10 degree chamfer along my
2 header boards. By doing that I did not weaken my rafter so I was abl to
use 2X4 rafters saving me time AND $$.
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you did not weaken the rafter, but the rafters are tending to slip down. birds mouth is a much better choice
Dad was a successful GC for life (Ohio, then Florida). I’ve been licensed for 33+ years and have a great rep. for doing high quality work. There’s at least half a dozen viable ways to build what he has shown here and most of them will last / not suffer structural failure. This post / beam detail is a Northern / U.S. way of doing it. I wouldn’t choose the split beam method, but it’s not my project. It definitely wouldn’t meet Code here in FL, but that’s irrelevant. It appears this guy does clean work and there’s nothing obvious that’s shoddy about the workmanship, so why be so critical? IMO, he really shouldn’t have to defend himself for posting this particular video. Being tactful is a skill and also free, but it’s often lost these days, especially online. JS
Appreciate the photo work Well done all around thanks
Thank you.
Lol I hope the op comes back and states his build is still standing, year after year after year…. For all of those guys who can’t get over what the code in their county is. Lumber shrinks folks. Lag bolts also have a specified weight/load that they can carry. To each their own, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t do it correctly and I’m certain it’s still standing with no issues
Nice. Thanks for sharing!
Boone and Crockett fly there like we have in Houston, Texas. Nice video and thank you sir.
Thank you for watching.
Houston Ian 63 years !!
NEVER heard of your fly ??
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Dam Horse Flies !
Headers should sit on top or notched into the post . The POST should take the weight not the bolts/screws.
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Thank you Lance. Hope you enjoy.
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The 6x6 should be notched to carry the load of the header. NEVER use bolts to carry the load.
Thanks for the comment. This is standard practice, there are millions of barns built this same way. That is exactly what those bolts are designed for. Back in the day we used giant pole barn spikes instead of lag bolts.
Notched is always the way to go
@@79TEOG if you set a 2x12 header on a notch in a post and nail it to the post it will shrink slightly over time and no longer be resting it's full weight on the notch. Therefore all you've done is weakened your post. The first barn I built 30 years ago has the headers in the same place I put them. Every modern pole barn I've been in has been built this same way. Maybe it's a local method for this area but I'm just saying that this system is widely used and it works.
You are 100% right Justin
Hell. If we’re nit picking , who not use a mortise and tenon joint up top and peg then together? Largest eye roll ever. Answer. We’re not Amish. 😅. This will outlast everyone typing and reading here. For Pete’s sake.
Headers nailed to top of post and not placed on notches on top of posts? Poor design.
how far apart are your posts? how far apart can they be?
My posts are 8 feet apart. Many factors including size/material of the headers, weight of the roof, snow load in your area, and whether you use rafters or trusses will determine the spacing. Most lumber yards can do that sort of engineering for you.
Nice job! Do you prefer a ledge board above joist hangers? I'm just waiting for the ground to thaw then I'm building a 12'x42' lean-to
I went with the ledger board because the pitch wasn't a standard pitch. I went back and also installed angle brackets on every rafter. Joist hangers would also work great. Good luck on your project. Thanks for watching!
What’s the span from ledger board out to your post and beam?
10'
Good work. Beware of the construction genuises on youtube. They are book taught and cant see the 100 year old barns off to the side of the interstates still standing using these same building principles you are applying.
Thanks for the comment Jesse.
Your framing technique is incorrect my friend.. your double 2x6 must sit on top of the 4x4 ..not nailed to the side
Do it whatever way you wish but I'll do it the correct way. 😉
Correct
The bolts are holding the weight of the roof/rafters, I'm not a builder but, I've read that the posts should be holding the weight, so a beam resting on top of the posts should have been done.
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I thought same thing ( I'm also not a builder )
Shouldn't your header be either on top of the post or recessed into it?
I was wondering the same thing. I thought there needs to be a vertical load support.
Absolutely
thanks so much !!!we have a 1921 villa and a old clearlite roof over the deck...and husband didnt know how to join on roofing iron from main roof (longrun) onto deck roof in one big piece...so that really helped confirm he was going in the right direction for joining the structures!!!thanks again...
You realize that you have two screws bearing all the weight of the rafters and sheathing ….bolts would help but what do I know
I really like this series of video. Reminds me a project... By curiosity, what is the span of the 2x8 rafters and their spacing? You made me laugh at 3:40!!! That is the pleasure of working alone! Or almost alone... seems that fly was a good companion! Thanks for sharing with us!
The 2x8s are 24" on center and span 10'.
That fly was bothering me all day. It wasn't just a housefly either. It was a horsefly that really had it's heart set on biting me. 😀.
Thanks for watching Joe.
Is their a reason why you didn't set your headers in a notch on the posts?
Hi , paul from England here , I’m a carpenter of 38 years and I just love your American way of life . Never heard of a ledger board , every day is a school day . Have fun and stay safe . Kind regards from paul in good old Blighty
Thanks Paul.
That fly gets an 8 out of 10. You get a ten for your good work.
omg.....I have been super stressed drawing the blueprints for a very complicated deck, ramp, trap door, system for weeks now. I want to submit everything for a building permit tomorrow. I'm beside myself. But let me tell you, the whole fly issue has me laughing so hard, that I'm crying! And trust me, up until that, I was in a NO laughing mode at all. I can sympathize with your frustration over the 2nd (1st is a mosquito) most annoying insect on the planet. But I thought you were absolutely charming, the way you handled it! You didn't re-shoot, you just kept going! With all due respect, that was great!
Smoke. From a fire in a metal can keeps bugs away while working outside here in Southern Maryland. I don't know much about how or why hitting one's self with a hammer.? Lol.God bless yall real good
Good looking old Chevy 3/4ton truck in background you should do video on and about how you came about Ole truck
If I wanted to build a lean to roof on my deck what is the best way to set the posts on the deck or with concrete forms on the ground.
How far down do you fasten your header board from the top on the post
You hit your face with a hammer? Maybe it is not a fly but a bee that thinks you are nectar! I don't mean to laugh but it's funny! Nice job by the way.
Thanks Juliet. Yeah I was trying to pound the truss over or something and it glanced off and smacked me in the face.
thank god for this video! :) thank you
Helpful video. Thanks!
GREAT ! Video!
Do you live in an area with high snow loads? Just wondering if these would be the same techniques for my area
I live in the middle of lower Michigan, so we can get a lot of snow. Up north of me in the snow belt my family has barns built with the same techniques with no problems at all.
Can anyone tell me how to square the polls up to the building so everything will be square
Send me how you do it on Facebook Tim Rebecaa Mullinax
Here's the video of how I laid out the barn itself. The same principals apply to the lean-to:
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How did you attach the rafter to the ledger board?
They sit on the ledger board and attach to the header with metal angle brackets.
Why cut roof rafters, just screw onto as base support
Not sure what you mean? The birdsmouth on the tail of the rafter is cut so it divides the weight of it over both headers.
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I've been building for 16 years now and to be honest seems like a nice guy but there wasnt any informative information for newbys
Thank you for the feedback. I hope some people can can at least pick up a little knowledge or spark an idea.
I think that there was plenty to be learned for newbies.
this is really nice. I’ve been talking about building a lean to extension out the side of my existing barn for a long time. Your videos will definitely be a refrence for me when I do.
I glad they are helpful. Thanks for watching!
Hello just found your channel, nice barn and lean to. I live in northern Michigan near Traverse City and need to add a lean to on my pole barn. Can you tell me what are the dimensions on your lean to. How wide and long is it.? What is is the height at your connection side of your pole barn? Thank you, appreciate your time.
Thanks! The lean-to is 10' wide by 48' long. It slopes from 10' to 8' (top of headers). Good luck with your project.
Hi. Just curious as to whether this method meets the building code where you live?
That scary with no support easier does not mean better those 4x6 should have been notch to carry the load properly.
I didn't do it this way because it's easier. This IS the correct way it's done. This is not a timber frame construction. It is typical pole barn construction. It's been done like this by thousands of contractors on millions of barns. And please don't take my word for it. Do additional research on your own.
Country Family Homestead you can keep telling your self that but correct way is 100% wrong what is the shear strength of those lag bolts? What is the weight of the roof because it is all being held up with those lag bolts with no support but no worries it is a easy fix just laminate a 2x6 to your 6x4 but if you still don’t believe me call an Engineer
@@iwantosavemoney dude, I've been in many post frame structures, I've built many post frame structures, I have never seen it done any other way. Those lag screws are specifically designed for that purpose. It's not the just sheer strength of the bolt that holds the weight, but the strength comes from the fact that the headers are squeezed to the post with the bolt, hence the large washer head on it. The first barn I built twenty years ago is still standing straight and tall. My neighbors barns we're built 35 years ago the same way and they are still standing straight and tall. Maybe in your area they do it differently and that's fine with me, but it's obvious to me you don't really have any experience with this method and just think your way is somehow better.
Country Family Homestead some how better 😂 am telling you this is really simple one is supported and one is not I understand it is a hard concept for you but if their is nothing underneath it it is not supported and yes I have seen pole barns built like this that does not make it right like I said ask a Engineer about loads shear strength and supporting those loads with a bolts pretty easy concept one is held up by a bolt one by a beam I mean it is not rocket science just facts my friends
Country Family Homestead if you have never seen it done any other way you have not been in many structures because this way is the most expensive way to do this. why to you think you have to double the amount of wood plus the Hardware. Yeah that statement is lacking a lot and no amount of time makes any more true today or 25 years ago. Just facts my friend