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Tho Brooklyn need to polisher job as a judge, I like her job. She has proven that she has what it takes and know how it works. She has also given support and be clear on how the competition is. Also being the drag queen of the panel, she is the one to be strict.and for the other judges, a lot to learn. They should remember that Michelle is difficult because she is pushing the queens and she speaks with either love as she she is tough. Also, I have the hottest hot crush on Boy Bussy 😍😍
The main problem I have with the “why aren’t your arms white?” Critique is that Jimbo was going for Marie Antoinette, whose style was to have a very white face/chest area, leaving the arms as they were. Which is what Jimbo did, it’s clear that JBC has a very limited understanding but he still tries to act all-knowing.
Exactly, the comment made no sense to me at all. He obviously doesn't know the history of that era and that's fine but even if you look at more modern examples like Geishas, they don't paint their hands either
@@liamscanlan4655 not that I really wanna defend JBC but I will say Jimbos execution of the Marie Antoinette makeup wasn't that great and I also think a wig that made reference to the time period would have helped a lot too
Yes and it's really suspicious. Like that suggests they're being told who to give good critiques and bad ones to, and it really feels like they decided Rita will get the winner edit right from episode 1 (that blue potato sack was not a winning look)
Jimbo painted her face like it was in the Rococo era.They didn't cover the arms with white. Look at Raja's Marie antoinette look or Jinx's marie antoinette. That's why fans are pissed off... historical accuracy, BUSSY!
I love Jimbo, and I want him to win, but the first thought i had was “GOT white walker”, i’m sorry. And it makes sense considering he has shown some scary looks.
Didnt really reference the Rococo era at all. The silhouette was more 1860s than 18th century and ALL gowns had sleeves in the 18th century. hair was always worn up, makeup wasn't that heavy contrary to popular belief, so nah it had nothing to do with Marie Antoinette.
@@thehollyhazard The makeup was a miss, though. Jimbo's application of the white makeup was harsh as opposed to soft, i.e. Raja, Jinkx, Detox, Miz Cracker, etc. You didn't really get that reference at all until Jimbo states something about it.
I feel like the JBC just doesn’t have the drag knowledge needed to be a judge. Staci has the fashion knowledge to justify her place. Brooke Lynn feels like she mistook judging as a season long reading challenge. It’s just bizarre.
I only became interested in the Canadian franchise when hearing abt CVTW. At the time, I'd never watched any of the franchises so I jumped into S2 to get a feel for it & I'm glad I didn't start w/S1. While Fierce was so utterly annoying & irritating I never finished the season, I wondered if Brooklynn just picked up the "tone" of JBC bc in other appearances, she's very different. On the Pit Stop & Hey Qween, where the weight isn't on her to make life altering decisions, she's prolly at her most authentic, which I think is very charisma, charming & likeable, to viewers. She also comes across as "one of the girls" & doesn't showboat /brag abt her judging gig & I always appreciate a humble person. Then on S2, s3 as well as CVTW, it seems she's greatly improved from S1. This might be totes my own theory but at times, it's like you see the wheels in her head turning as she tries to decide What Would Ru Do? I don't know if on the 1st season, she'd check in w/the other judges before giving out panel decisions but on the series I saw, she always checked the panel was in consensus which I liked, esp if she's not yet comfortable making the decisions alone. Adding in Brad as a co-judge improved the show, he's witty, she has a good rapport w/him & he puts her at ease so they can joke in a entertaining way for viewers. While Stacy Melchor, imo, is an improvement as well, I don't think they have found the best fit for the 3rd judge yet. It's also my belief that, perhaps, JCB, made the entire judging panel uncomfortable & w/the superior attitude of how he acted, he may have influenced the overall judging. He really put himself out as seasoned biz "professional " on the panel, when he just made the envirn negative, brought down the vibe & used the show as a personal vehicle for his failing career much like Todrick Hall did, who also, imo, spoke to & treated Queens disrespectflly. As Brooklynn gains more confidence in herself as a host & has people around her who are supportive of her AND drag, I think she'll grow as a judge & shine bc honestly, she intimately understands the show & does takes certain aspects of the show very seriously like the lip syncs. The fact she always knows every single word makes me feel like she studies the songs too & really comprehends the responsibility of her decisions, that they can change people's lives & I really appreciate she does seem to be that conscientious now. It's def a franchise you can't get by on not knowing the words. I'd keep her & Brad around. Besides nothing Brooklynn did on S1 could compare to the abysmal job of judging Valentina did on DR MX & they would have asked her bck, even tho she isn't bilingual, had she not demanded a cool million an episode, which is more than even Michelle gets.
Ok but Stacey McKenzie is actually helpful (and stylish and cute!) I loved seeing Stacey also give the queens a runway teach, she was so excited, and you can tell she really cared about the queens. Shes so wonderful and I hope she isnt a Merle Ginsberg.
Agree, Stacey has her faults but it’s the first season so I’m hoping they improve next season. Also I get what JBC is trying to do, but people think he’s just bitchy and with his “No ass drag knowledge”
@@stinameaner I would also add her "Really???" when Kyne said she loved her outfit (2nd episode). Like Stacy was surprised that Kyne didn't criticise her own dress the way the judges did. Did she expect from Kyne to say: "You know, you're right, my dress is shit, eliminate mi immediately."? That's what I thought while watching that episode.
I can accept when brooke lynn makes more negative critiques, because she actually has knowledge of drag. But she could use a bit more restraint on insulting contestants.
@@wills5945 Yeah tbh Brooke lynn is pretty good tbh. Amazing dancer, surprised me in some comedy challenges after she TANKED snatch game. She did amazing at the SheMz episode . I thought she'd be just a looks queen but shes an awesome dancer and shes got some other tricks too.
I think the main issue with the judges on CDR at this point, outside of the "one source of drag truth" that RuPaul provides in the US/UK version, is that the two main judges on the US version have been in drag spaces for their entire adult lives. Michelle, for all her faults, grew up in NYC clubs, learning from Willi Ninja and Cesar Valentino. She's also been friends with Ru for decades, so their back-and-forth is fun and familiar. Trying to replicate not only that knowledge and living the life with three people who may know each other, but aren't friends who grew up in the scene, is hard to do. There's also a "Michael Kors/Janice Dickenson/Simon Cowell approach to American reality judging that is hard to replicate, because all three of those judges are harsh and mean, but they also know every in and out of their industry, so it comes from a place of knowledge, so the meanness is more forgiven, for better or for worse.
Great point P. Michelle is respectable cause she is not only credible, but she is also much better at giving critique due to that credbility. She actually wants to see the girls improve, not just make fun of them.
Bussy Queen yes you can tell that underneath it, even if her comments cross a line, she actually wants the girls to do well. Do we get that vibe from any of the CDR judges? At times, Stacey, but not the others
This is also applies to Thai Land Drag Race which is under RuPaul's name. The judges knows their shit and empathizes with the contestant's stories. They also are famous within Thailand's Drag and Fashion communities.
omg I KNOW! But the hilarious part of even bothering to cast "canadians" is basically none of them even live there... I think JBC + Brook are in LA and Stacey ?? Has lived outside of it for at least most of her adult life traveling the world as a model.
The judges didn’t get the memo. We Canadians are, in general, very nice. Maybe they didn’t get enough hugs or their parents gave them fake American syrup instead of Quebec maple syrup which makes everything better. Lol
Yes. And it bothered me that they had so little knowledge of Celine Dion... If you’re going to an event call night of a thousand Celine’s, please open wikipedia for a couple of minutes before you go!
Acting & most likely some knowledge of fashion & modelling. I'm just being realistic. It's supposed to be like; the actor, the model & the drag queen. I think JBC just had the least amount of knowledge, success & experience in his field of "expertise" & not enough knowledge of drag & other relevant areas. His delivery is also the most brutal, even when his words aren't. His body language, tone of voice, the faces his pulls... They come off was more nasty. At least Brook Lynn's remarks are witty puns with some humour & cleverness to them.
He had practically none. Besides acting he has no fashion making or insight he models but that doesn't mean he understands anything which he doesn't because dude couldn't do a simple nice eyeshadow looks which I've see a 6 year old do a better job. He's really not qualified. Like wow you get to stand there and have people do your makeup and dress you. That's not qualifications for judging drag.
@@solongsuicide9 I never understood why the model which is really respected was also a judged like Jeff. Brooklyn did good although sometimes kind off but the model was the most consistent in being a good judge I never understood that. I guess that's because it's easier to put the woman in the pack and call it a day
THIS! For as useless as Santino was, he at least had fashion experience and new how to make clothes so he was decent at judging the sewing challenges and looks on the runway. I’ve seen some comments that JBC was there for acting challenges, but c’mon, how many acting challenges are there? Like 3 tops, they could have just brought him on as a guest each of those eps. 🤷🏻♀️
Brooke: Questionable sometimes but she was a contestant, I feel she gives critiques from experience Stacey: Sweet, amazing, Stan her Jeffrey: Bowyer Chapman
LOL. True. But, JBC is trying to be Michael Kors on a bitchy day. It doesn't suit him and doesn't work for him, and neither does his kid-at-the-zoo facepaint eye make-up.
Ok first of all, THANK YOU for addressing the blatant favoritism of Rita Baga. Don’t get me wrong, Rita is great and I adore her, but they are giving her wins she just flat out doesn’t deserve, and it looks like total Rigga Morris. Second, I think that a big thing the Canadian judges could take away from the American version is that you hear the phrase “I would have liked to see you...” while critiquing the queens. It give the queens an idea of how they can improve instead of just shitting on them and leaving it at that. But on the whole, I really do hope JBC does not return for season 2, and I don’t think that saying so is “hateful” in any way. I think to be hateful is to say things like “everyone gets the same amount of time, use it better maybe.”
There’s no way in hell that Rita’s denim look beat Jimbo’s but it did and I’m like what!?!?! If Jimbo was on the regular season and not Canada he would’ve won and the fact that JBC didn’t know of period look like Marie Antoniette says a lot. You have no experience no knowledge of Drag because you never appeared in it or went to a show before supposedly, and people jump to the race card thing and be like they only want him gone because he’s Black, bitch please RuPaul is black. The first 3 winners were poc. Like out of the regular seasons you have more poc winners than white.
Rita is solid, but she’s not truly excelling on the show. It could be in part because she has a more laid back persona and because she’s French and people don’t relate as well to her, but I also don’t think her performances live up to the three wins she’s received from the judges
I agree that JBC should go. But not necessarily because he is mean or anything. I just think he has little to no knowledge about drag or fashion and the platform is too big for him.
I definitely agree with you in that JBC is trying to play a “character” to hide his insecurities with being a judge on show. Not only is he condescending without the experience or knowledge to back it up, he uses this stereotype “gay voice” SO much and it gets irritating...
It hurt hearing him say Extravaganza. Like we know you’re gay, 98% of people on the show are too. It’s hard to take him seriously when he’s acting like low rent Laganja with a deep voice.
Agreed! His personality doesn't seem authentic. Michelle Visage called Laganja Estranja out for having an affected facade, and in my opinion it seems that JBC's facade is similarly affected. If you go back to his first appearance on All Stars 3 in the Bitchelor episode, he wasn't that over the top flamboyant character that he is currently playing on Canada's Drag Race, which is why his current facade doesn't feel authentic to me. I'm sick of the "yass girl" and "oh honnneyyy" and "gurrrrl's" that he throws in all the time.
As an European I have to point out this: Jimbo's Marie Antoinette reference was right, it used to be only the face painted white, not also the neck and the arms. I could understand the critique given if she was going for a zombie look, like the remake of her first time in drag, but this is not the case! Let's remember the Raja's Marie Antoinette look, that's exactly how they used to paint in the 1800s, because being pale in face was a sign of nobility (if you were tanned, it meant you were working in the fields).
@KingofThebes LOL, spoon fed me misinformation. Thats a trope. Its not real information. It was obvious that they didn't work outside and in fact...living a pastoral sort of life was IDEALIZED not shunned. Marie Antoinette herself had an entire little peasant inspired village created at Versailles where she'd dress down in muslin gowns and collect eggs and live a bucolic fantasy. Most other aristocrats of the period also had themselves painted as idealized sherpherdesses and as Diana, Goddess of the hunt. The pale makeup has NOTHING to do with 'showing they didn't work in the fields'. Literally nothing. If anything it has its roots in racism and being white...nothing to do with not being a peasant. It also was not that heavy. Jimbo's makeup looks more akin to Elizabethan makeup than anything to do with the rococo period. So please, don't think you can lecture me about the 18th century. I know more about the fashion, makeup, culture, architecture, jewelry and furniture than you could dream of learning. Sit down.
Caligula Longhbottom how ever you are right about Marie Antoinette having a little pasture with *parfumed*(yes really) Cows. You are incorrect about the make up. they use white make up to highlight they’re nobility and yes the paler you were the higher your standing was. Because as was said previously it meant you didn’t have to do labor. You said it was more akin to racisme that’s is not completely true not completely wrong either though it had more to do with social standing, which does support the rasisme in a part that people of other skin tones were deemed on the bottom of that ladder. Sincerly a history teacher
@@caligulalonghbottom2629 I'm sorry if I wasn't that specifically right because I was trying to explain as easy as possible to people that are not into European culture at all. And being on a cellphone I wrote probably too fast, not checking exactly every word. I didn't want to be "the one who knows", just trying to inform people who might be interested. And if you can add any information please do, because of course I'm not a history teacher and I might be wrong, that's what they taught me when I was younger. And I have to point out that there was no reference to racism in what I said, the part of being tanned still is something that we do joke about (like in Italy we say "bricklayer tan" to refer to someone who works hard and so is tanned as a bricklayer, but it doesn't refer to their ethnicity).
I feel like the judges think they have to be “sassy” and “witty” since it’s drag race and fans tend to love a little ✨spice✨ but what they fail to understand is that being genuinely cruel and insulting is not sassy. It’s just mean spirited and low. Ru, Michelle, Ross, and Carson are _actually_ sassy; they don’t throw insults at the queens, they make lighthearted jokes every now and then, but they never cross boundaries. CDR Judges should’ve learned to back off their rudeness immediately after giving Lemon a panic attack on stage... but they didn’t ?? And I truly cannot understand why. Why would you continue to throw insults at the queens after giving one a panic attack?? It’s stupidity. Aside from that, Bussy already said this a bit, but what makes the judging so hard to watch is how they never really critique the queens. They never let the queens know what they can do better to improve their drag nor do they let them know what’s holding them back or even making them excel. They basically just say “love it” or “hate it” without further elaboration. Like.. great? You have an opinion? but you’re also a JUDGE on TV, you need to elaborate on what you love/hate and why you love/hate it. You can’t just state your simple opinion, it’s useless and provides no benefits or learning moments for the queens.
@@shongueesha7875 it’s not about that tho. They know how taxing it can be, but it was uncalled for when they attacked her like that. A full meltdown because of the judges isn’t acceptable. Also, no one asked your opinion
@@shongueesha7875 i get what you mean, i used a bit of hyperbole in my comment there, but at the same time it's probably expected for common decency to exist even in reality tv. And it's kinda backwards to think that reality tv should be this way in general, like if you're neurodivergent or sensitive you shouldn't participate because it's not for you, accomodations for different people is just natural. Here's an example of what happens what easy accomodations aren't met: Laganja Estranja's less than stellar experience during her season due to her not allowed her medical marijuana. tv figures shouldn't be given a pass for bad behavior just for being tv.
EXACTLY! Like, I have my issues with Ru/Michelle/Carson/Ross, but at least their critiques are CONSTRUCTIVE. They’ll tell a queen when they need to tone down/up makeup, or how to style an outfit better, or how to tackle an acting challenge successfully the next time. CDR judges are just hateful to the point it could be called abusive.
This is a spot-on analysis. It's well thought out, expressed clearly, and intelligently constructed. I'm sure the judges will tell you that you need to put more makeup on your @$$, though, before they take you seriously.
My biggest issue with JBC so far is that his delivery just sounds so fake - and that's all the time. Work room, challenges and runway. Makes it hard to accept anything he is saying as anything but showboating when he doesn't come across as believable. None of the judges come across as having much of a stake in the contestants and as you mentioned that is mainly down to the strange format they've chosen of having a different person do walkthrough each week. It just seems so forced.
its all about DELIVERY. Brooklyn has a more refined drag way of reading the girls' looks ... JBC sounds like he actually hates them and is trying to hurt them with what he says :(
Plus Brooklyn knows these girls as her peers her comments even if they come off as mean to me sounds like shes joking around with them. JBC comes across hateful. Brook laughs with them, JBC laughs at them,
The thing about RPDR is that they also have Michelle Visage, who has a history in the NY Ballroom scene and knows her shit. Carson is a very seasoned TV personality and so is Ross. They all bring some sort of experience that the queens can learn from.
Also Michael always ask the queens for a change or give them a challenge to do to improve themselves unlike CanadaDR all what they ask about is fashion!!! You only win if you look good!
Well, RP Drag Race's panel of judges are not made entirely by people that do drag, they just know enough about the drag scene to give some constructive criticism.
@@eoghanlarkspur1568 oh, yes, I totally agree with you, I just wanted to point out that usually the panel of judges are not made entirely by drag queens. Most of the time, only Ru Paul is the drag queen, the other judges are people that know enough to have opinions or are guest stars.
I believe that the production team doesn’t really know how to hide the fact that the wins are more or less already decided in advance. We all know how reality competition shows work. Where RuPaul herself is present, it’s easier to hide it, because RuPaul is a central part of the production choices (despite what some people keep insisting on), and there is no massive disconnect between Ru’s comments and the final result. With CDR we are missing the figure of an authorative person who knows what they’re doing (At this point Ru is a massive, massive expert in running a competition show). Everything else crumbles.
even the lipsyncs are justified for the most part. :o even when they did that one episode in AS where everyone lip synced for their lives, it helped the produces scope out who would be a good match up and for the lipsyncs AND it was natural.
Sooo, agreed but JBC is twice as worse by your count. BUT since the second Brooke crowns someone they will have surpassed her, does that mean she needs to give up her spot on the panel? I mean wouldn’t letting the winner every season judge the next season be the most Canadian thing to do.
Haven't finished the vid yet, but I think one of the big things going against JBC is that no one sees him as an expert on drag. Other judges/hosts who are seen as extra harsh and critical, like Simon Cowell, Michelle Visage, Janice Dickenson Gordon Ramsay, Jillian Michaels, etc are considered some of the absolute foremost in their fields. You can disagree with their methods, but rarely with the actual validity of their criticisms. It's like you correcting his use of "shake n go" wigs. If you're gonna mock someone's craft you better a) do it constructively and b) know your shit. Always excited to hear your thoughts
I just think Jackie Cox would be the perfect replacement for any of the judges coz not only is she Canadian but she was also very likable on her season and an experienced queen
I believe that JBC and Brooklyn are trying too hard to mimic the judging and relationship of Ru and Michele Visage. Brooklyn even made one of the same remarks to a contestant that Ru Paul made to someone in one of the seasons "She's wearing my outfit", I didn't really notice this until I rewatched a few of RPDR Allstars. With that said, I do believe this is where the issue is as there are some queues that come to them from the producers during the critiques, but I don't feel they know how to make the remarks funny or land in the right place. One of things I like so much about Thailand season is Art and Pangina really know how to judge and seem to both be Drag experts so to speak, they both bring some very interesting and positive critiques to their contestants as they truly come across as caring and in assisting in the growth of contestants. Same thing I feel about the Boulets on their seasons, seem truly caring. JBC is too busy being cute, and he's on RuPaul production blah. He needs to grow as well and maybe after this he can learn a thing or too.
I think these 3 should stop trying to emulate other shows and just embrace their own unique dynamic. I honestly wouldn't mind a panel of kind and respectful judges, as opposed to a bunch of people trying too hard to be someone that they are not
A big problem is that none of the judges are funny, nor are they giving constructive criticism. You can be mean but you have to back it up with some wit and knowledge.
Just to put things into perspective... on American Drag Race we had to wait 2 seasons to get Michelle Visage (aka a good judge) and 6 seasons for they to get rid of Santino Rice (aka a basic judge)
The only reason he’s so “terrible” is because he has absolutely no qualifications to judge drag. Just like Merle on season 1, 2 and especially for that one really uncomfortable episode on season 7. And don’t even get me started on santino🥴
This is why I like Michelle and can’t wait for her “guest” judge. She grew up around the club kid scene and she understands drag queens, knows them personally and loves them. Jeffrey 100% doesn’t understand them, love them or even have a background except for a weird couple guest judging episodes where he didn’t even get a critique in.
I agree, but in America there could be somebody who’s done drag as long as ru and knows the art better than anyone, but ru gets final say lol. Merle and santinos no drag knowledge is upsetting but their critiques were practically irrelevant.
JBC can’t do anything about his actions because it’s pre recorded. Acknowledging the fans calling him out would be almost impossible since the full season hasn’t aired, he can’t talk about what we haven’t seen , and he can’t say he was in the wrong knowing that more episodes of him acting the same way (I’m assuming) will air after.
katie that's an excellent point about him potentially waiting to speak out. I would also bet he's on gag order until the season finishes. It's just wild how the franchise has ... basically completely ignored it. But - all press is good press for now. lol
He hosts the official podcast and does a very deep dive with each eliminated queen, which I appreciate greatly -- the one with Starzy was epic -- it has made me feel sympathy for his situation, because he's clearly bovered by the collective outrage. In it you hear his Hollywood voice (esp the recent one with Ross Matthews) as well as his real voice, and the difference is jarring at times. I feel it's the real him who signs off every time by saying, "If you don't have anything nice to say..._shut the fuck up_. The way he says it...bovered. This man did a love scene with Ru, not once but twice -- his ambition is real. Perhaps an appearance on Glow Up is more his speed -- Ding Dong Darling!
Imo kyne was automatically going in the bottom on episode 2 when they asked her if she liked her look, which is clearly meant to corner her Brooke: hope ur less combative on stage Kyne: will do Stacey: So kyne, how do you feel about your look (notice how no one else got this question) Kyne: I ..like it.. ? Judges: WELL GUESS WHA-
Heres my CONSPIRACY theory: Jimbo doesnt win and JBC is the villain. We know the season is already shot and the winner is already picked, and they had no idea Jimbo would grab everyone by the heart like she has. Im guessing shes eventually voted off (my psychic powers tell me she'll be voted off due to more poor judging choices), and they are now given JBC the villain edit in post so they can blame this travesty on someone, and not just theshowas a whole.
No, I don’t think the show ever would give a judge a villain edit. They desperately want as famous and big name judges as possible to agree to be on the show as guest judges and permanent judges, to help promote the show. If they are going to try replace the judges for a potential season 2 they are going to have quite a hard time doing it. Who would want to take the job now after seeing the viewers very strong response to the season 1 judges? That is quite a risk to take with their career to accept that job. I do however think JBC was asked, cast or entirely scripted to be the mean judge. And production totally botched the execution of it. I think they just have no way of saving it, because that is all there is. They only have footage of those sort of critiques with JBC, so they could only potentially cut most of his critiques. But I’m guessing that all the judges have something in their contracts about getting more or less equal screen time as all the other two judges. And the show would have a hard time doing it, they need the critiques that makes no sense to explain the ranking of the girls that makes no sense. I think all the judges got weird notes of the sort of critiques production wanted from them while filming. I think production asked for ‘iconic’ and ‘memeable’ critiques. They wanted “meh” moments, a "Is that a prosthetic nose?" or "No, no you talk like this! This is how you talk!". All of them are pretty mean and unhelpful. But they and others similar to them are probably some of the most well known and shared moments from the judges. Doesn’t make for good judging or tv if they try to force that kind of moments all the time and that is all we ever get form the panel and nothing else really. Yeah no I think the main problem is that producers behind the scene had a very bad grasp of what would make good tv and understand what the fans would want while planning and filming the show. And now has a mess they are trying to edit the best they can.
@@IQzminus2 then I think the problem is might be that production is composed of people that wanted to make money off of a successful francise without having knowledge of what it entails it to be
"Basic" seems to be his version of Michelle's "pedestrian". Neither word belong in the rolodex of drag critique. Pedestrian literally means street clothes. I haven't seen any queen wear street clothes on the main stage. Basic is a cringey word I say ironically with a vocal fray
I absolutely love this, it's so well put together and thought out! I love how you're not just advocating for Jeffrey to be removed, like u said near the end he could be under a contract until the season ends or scripted etc. I think he definitely deserves a second chance. (The show is also edited!)
Yes JBC needs to be fired and in Jimbos words “look up the definition of glamour” plus his no drag knowledge about judging. He’s just not fit for it at all.
I think we react so strongly to JBC's critiques in part because he's a conventionally attractive man. Part of what everyone loves about drag and Drag Race is that anyone can transform themself and enjoy the sort of power and attention that's usually reserved for super hot people. So it just kind of sucks to watch a traditionally hot dude tear down a queen who's out there feeling her fantasy. Obviously, he can't control what he looks like, but it would've been nice if one of the producers had told him to emulate Carson Kresley instead of Michele Visage.
can we talk about how amazing this season is apart from the judges? Can we talk about how good the drama is? How entertaining and fresh all the queens are? How stellar the lip-syncs are? How many memorable moments have happened? I don't see anyone expressing how good this season is because all everyone focuses on is the judging. i get it. it frustrated me too watching it. but what i'll remember is not cringing over jeffrey and brooke, what i'll remember is priyanka making me laugh so hard every episode, rita being the most adorable little man out of drag, lemon surprising me when her talent and self-awareness started to shine, jimbo being unpredictable on the runway and HILARIOUS in untucked, scarlett being such a dark horse, the i drove all night lipsync almost moving me to tears. THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD ALL BE TALKING ABOUT.
I feel like the biggest issue with the judges is that they're all trying too hard to be like RuPaul. They all take turns kinda "hosting" and it really raises egos for all of them, except maybe Stacey. Brooke Lynn Hytes isn't being herself like she was on Season 11, and Jeffrey has been consistently called out for "trying to be Michelle." I think it's not a matter of the judging that's bad, it's just the judges not being themselves.
They kept Rita because of the French Canadians. They wanted the views. I'm french Canadian myself. I've seen Rita perform 10 years ago. She was amazing though.
tbh the judging on this season has been so strange. It's almost like an All Stars season. But I also think that some of the backlash against both the judges and especially the queens (in particular Rita) really need to stop! It's like the Brita all over again, go support your favorite and don't tear down the other queens because of their placment!
Who would have thought that Stacey would be the judge everyone would like when she is sitting next to Brook Lyn and JBC? Lol. Anyway I'm here for Stacey. When she critiques someone, you can tell she is using her background as a supermodel and she talks about stuff she knows. Brook Lyn and JBC come across as weird/mean. I'm not against what they say... but the need to work on delivery.
Here's my personal opinion about JBC as a judge: Does he deserve racist insults, death threats and hate on his social media? NO. (No one does)? Does he deserve the harsh critiques he's getting? YES. How do you expect to be rude and bitchy with your own words and not expect for someone to clap back at you? The problem with Mr. Chapman is that he tries so hard to imitate RuPaul to point where he does not seem authentic, and that makes it uncomfortable to watch. You're asking someone to show personality yet you imitate someone else's mannerisms? I thing the issue as well is that he has never done drag and lacks of fashion references (like the Jimbo critic) the best thing that can happen aside of the show addressing the hate from the fans is him apologizing for his words, because he has been rude, maybe he's not like that in real life, and we can't judge him because we don't know him but he has been really rude on the show and that has not been edited for shade or try to build drama. (Brooke Lynn also) There's a way you can say things without being rude. If it was on my hands to have him on S2, I would rather choose someone else who has more tact and experience in the fashion world rather than being a model.
I feel like he should take the time to adjust his delivery with critiques and the “Rupaul” moments that they alternate with, I would hate to see his career end this way.
@@sergiosalcedo5111 Tbh it looks like he meaned the words when he said things, I don't think this is staged, he was acting bitchy and has nothing to do with the production Now that the season is done, if he returns to S2 he should be in the look out on how to deliver a good critique
I just watched all of Canadas drag race finally and one of the things I noticed right off the bat was how much the girls cried. And I thought at first maybe Canadians are more open with their emotions?? And now I'm realising they cried so much because the judges were so incredibly rude and really just put down all the girls without really building them back up at all
I have a theory that Rupaul wanted the Canada’s drag race judges to not be as good so that it makes him look better and make his judgments look more legitimate
There can be some truth in that! Remember how RPDR was criticised after S7 or AS3? And now a paraphrase: The fans: How are the other spin-offs helping you out? RPDR: They're all helping me out by being horrible and making me look better. *camera focuses on Canada's Drag Race*
The favoritism bothers me this season. BOA getting praise for the unpolished gross looks and Rita looking like a plate of nachos for 75% the season and yet still getting wins after wins and then underrating Jimbo, Scarlett, and Ilona makes me wanna screaaam.
This most recent episode doesn't help either, once again Jimbo had arguably the best look and make over so the judges create some bullshit reason to not only prevent him from getting the win, but to place him "low" when they clearly didn't care much for Scarlet Bobo's outfit. I guess they're realizing that "presentation" on the runway isn't exactly Jimbo's strongest quality despite his outfits arguably being the best throughout the season so they're giving that much more weight than anything else and it's fucking bullshit. If he gets eliminated next, especially for yet another BS critique, i hope Ru takes over the next season (if there will be a next season) or at least finds someone with far more credibility, tact and expertise.
Yes!! I can’t believe scarlet barely got any critique on that awful look, and got away because they “had fun on the runway”, like what? At the same time Jimbo was basically in the bottom for being “sexy” while also having the best look imo. Since when is runway presentation more important than the look?
@@phoenixrising7777 How so? I think Utica is incredibly unique with amazing fashion sense but Jimbo actually did amazing in every single acting/improv challenge while Utica was awkwardly horrible in 2 of them. What irritated me about Canada's Drag Race was how the judges constantly shifted their standards, oh this week the runway is more important than the challenge, oh this week the challenge was significantly more important than the runway, this week the runway presentation is a huge deal and in every instance, it was at the detriment of Jimbo. Whereas RuPaul is pretty consistent in favoring performance in the challenge over the runway, hence why we've had many queens do kind of poorly in the runway win because of their excellent performance in the challenge. To RuPaul, the runway typically serves as a "tie breaker" or which queen gets saved from lip syncing and with this standard in mind, Utica's overall placements each week makes sense.
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I love the queens but the judging is so strange. In the last episode my partner and I had no idea who was the top and who was the bottom after the judging lol their choices are always so shocking
Agreed re: the runway breaking ties and such in Ru’s drag race. Sometimes it doesn’t even matter. For example, way back in season 2, Tatianna’s runway was not well-received and yet she still won the snatch game episode with her maxi challenge performance. Ergo: justice for Jimbo!
Also, I think it was pretty obvious that Jimbo was going for a "French Aristocrat" look; watch Raja's and Jinkx Marie Antoinette inspired runways and they also have white makeup on their face with no makeup on the rest of their body. One would think that the judging panel of a country where one of their official languages is French would get the reference.
I feel like there should have been an extra strike for the pinata metaphor; maybe it was just poorly thought out, but like... we don't need to joke about literal gaybashing on a show like Drag Race.
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Brooke Lynn had a nasty attitude and compared everyone’s drag to her own. As if she’s the standard that everyone should be held to. Bitch didn’t win her season. She might have looked pretty on S11 but her acting and comedy sucked. I guess that’s why she had no appreciation for Jimbo. Don’t have a double standard for the judges- if Jeffrey is being questioned, Brooke Lynn should be too! She made really insulting comments during her critiques of the queens. Actually, all three judges couldn’t make up their mind whether they liked camp, dirty drag or glam, beauty drag. Their standards changed every episode.
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I blame Rupaul for placing them as judges just because they are his ‘’canadian friends’’.
I would honestly love a cut of this season that just has the contestants, not the judges. The contestants are amazing and so entertaining and talented. The problem with JBC is he sees himself as Michelle Visage without any of those dues paid. Michelle, for the most part, knows what she's talking about and does provide feedback. Brooke is another miss for me because she doesn't have the star power to hold this show the way RuPaul does.
I don't think its necessarily a bad thing to have a "mean" judge, but I think it needs to come with genuine critique behind it. Like if you desperately wanted to be "mean" to Jimbo during her pageant runway it would most likely be better to say something like "Jimbo you look much, much, much older this week. If the criteria was old glam you would be the winner. Next time let's see a bit more of a refined shape to your body. The goal is flowey, not frumpy". Which still gives Jimbo multiple points of reference to improve for next week. But even then, why be rude for no reason? I'm not saying coddle the queens, but don't fucking bully them?
@@BussyQueen I think JBC is trying to go for a catty persona as a judge, and for all we know he may have said some genuine points for improvement, but it seems like he just either got a bad edit (which as a judge is a bit hard to believe) or he just straight up wanted to come across as rude. It's so easy to be rude and productive at the same time. How hard is it for Jeff to say "Is time management a strength of yours? Otherwise you may need to scale back your creative endeavours" instead of "MMMMMMMMMMM PERHAPS YOU SHOULD.. MMMMUSE IT BETTER MAYBE".
that critique is shit though? Telling someone they look 'much, much, much, older' is ruder than anything they've said so far, and "the goal is flowy not frumpy" is not only vague but not necessarily true, 'flowy' isn't necessarily an ideal silhouette. If they wanted to critique her they could have mentioned that her make-up reads as older, told her that her waistline gets lost, and that whatever she was using to create the hoop skirt looks boxy and uneven
Thank you for a good and not overly biased review of this. For him to improve we need to be more understanding that he can't correct his behavior on the show since this season has already been recorded. If they have a season 2 I want him to come back and do better. Which in my opinion sounds like a better story than if he left the show because of overly harsh criticism. Well some will say they rather him just leave, but it would personally leave a bad taste in my mouth. This show is good because it's accepting of people and all their mistakes and we get to make fun of it after the fact. He just did a bad call on how to judge and was overly harsh without realizing, but I don't think that makes him a bad person, just not perfect.
I think that he shouldn’t be fired, maybe just a talk with the three of them? Certify exactly what their roles are, I feel that he isn’t trying to be a jackass, but more of try to give the “tough love” type of deal. Problem is, he hasn’t put any *love* in his tough love.
agreeeeeeeeddddddd! We need more LOVE if we are gonna be doing all this mess on drag race! It's so "cold"... :( Michelle visage is a great example of tough love, even if she's a bit harsh sometimes.
I’m not sure why a judge who’s doing a pretty consistently bad job gets to come back and try again the next season. Contestants don’t. I also think the producers have a lot to answer for. I don’t subscribe to Jeffery being “under contract” to act an arsehole. He’s coming across like an insipid 2 dimensional viper, the popular but mean girl in school. And I doubt that is the character he wants to portray. My assumption is he thinks he’s being acerbic but witty. Unfortunately, as can be the case with a good looking boy, they don’t have to work as hard at being popular, and the personalities can be lacking. I do think is the producers should have picked up he was missing his mark, and given him the constructive feedback.
I think each judge should bring a specialty - so Stacy fashion/ Brook is drag and Jeffrey could maybe be acting but not really bc he doesn’t have A LOT of acting experience And maybe if he was a comedy actor would be better / so it’s hard to feel good about him as a judge Brooklyn can be kinda rough but it seems more like how drag queens usually read eachother and can be shady Jimbo should’ve won most of these episodes- Jimbo is a favorite to most fans - that denim outfit was amazing Jimbo is different all the time
JBC is the product of what happens when individuals place too much emphasis on a child's looks vs reminding him/her/them that your character, intelligence, and personality are infinitely more important.
You covered this super well. I also wanted to point out there are a few cases where important factors of judging are completely ignored. Like i recorded Boa's episode 1 critique of her outfit and I noticed that not one of them even COMMENTED on the outfit itself, the guest judge DID point out the potatoes but again, didn't even give feedback on them, just calling them "wow". Despite the outfit being reminiscent of multiple "corsets with a piece of fabric" looks that instantly get ridiculed by judges (I've even seen a side by side of it next to Porkchop's original look that got her eliminated.) Also, Kyne's outfit was berated for the pieces falling off and her difficulty to walk in it, without anyone remarking that it was styled and tailored very well. Combine this with Rita's out of place win and The fact that all of this was in episode 1 really set this season off on the wrong foot.
I love how Allie X was the only one who while the queens were in untucked said the look was awesome because tbh as an Allie X stan, I was just happy to see she was a Jimbo stan too-
The thing is they don’t give critiques, they just give criticism, nothing really constructive at all, and some suspicious choices are made every episode. Honestly for me this is the worst iteration of Drag Race yet I just don’t like the judges, love the queens and the challenges tho just as soon as Cover Girl plays I know some BS is approaching 😂♥️
Bussy Queen OMG I got a reply from Bussy! I love you ♥️♥️♥️ yeah I agree they’re all way too harsh and unhelpful and their judging is so inconsistent. “Welcome to the competition, Honey”. What?! 😂😂
Ok, this is my theory about Rita's placement (I love her, this is not a hate comment). She is french canadian, more, from Montreal, my hometown. It can be hard to understand for non canadians, but there are huge tensions between french canadians and the rest of Canada. It is mostly for historical reasons but we rarely feel represented or respected when it comes to our language and traumas (which can be said about pretty much all natives and immigrants btw). People from Montreal are known to be very vocal about it, especially confronting english canadians whenever they can. In a lot of canadian competitions in the past, french canadians have been snobbed, forbidden of even competing, not taken seriously, the list goes on. My theory is that since a lot of inequalities are being called out (me too, black lives matter, etc...) and even though the french canadian issue is way far from the ones I mentioned, they don't want this controversy that could ruin the show. Also, Rita is related (drag daughter?) to one of the most popular drag queen in Canada : Mado. And if she turns her back on them, almost all Quebec queens will. Again, just my bullshit theory based on politic reasons and money.
I find it distasteful to have JBC appear on a judging panel when he isn't even decent at what *he* does for a living. In American Horror Story he's playing himself... just another bitchy queen; which is evidently who he really is. And we've already got a surplus of that archetype... ohh huunnnyyyy EDIT: PS. Bussy, you are.. in a word.. ... 'Delicious' ; )
My boss always said “if you come to me with a complaint, you also better come with a solution”. Judging should be the same. I think and hope S1 is going to be a game changer for S2, eh Ru Paul?
Ok, here’s what I think. First of all I’d like to point that I’m an European and I’m not quite acquainted with neither canadian or american drag scenes. Well, aside of drag race at least. I’ll start with my idea for the judging format. Because it is still RUPAUL’s drag race I’d like to see Ru as a host in the first episode. The show isn’t hiding with it’s approach which could be described as “Ru is still the main bitch and these people are only here because I’m to busy”. Ru still is leaving messages to the queens so I think that her being there in person for the beginning of each season as a co-host would be a nice touch. At the end of an episode she could appoint the “Warden of the North” (I roll with the Brooke Lynn’s GoT reference) which would be the leader of the judging panel during her absence. Also I see the “Warden” as the co-host of the first episode, alongside with Ru. Who that supposed to be? Imo Canadian drag queen, I don’t know the scene that well, but the Queen that appeared during the pageant challenged was introduced as some kind of big deal in Canada so I guess she could do. On her side I see Stacey and Brooke Lynn as a side judges and obviously special guests. Everything would roll as in the US drag race with the Canadian host wielding Ru’s power, thus having the final say. Perhaps we could grant Brooke Lynn the power to save one girl per one season from elimination, you know, as she knows the struggles of the contestants and might see something a bit differently than other judges. Idk, just an idea to make the show more entertaining. Personally I still enjoy Brooke Lynn more than JBC. It might be because of what you said - we are more used to drag queens being mean to other drag queens. What annoy’s me about Brooke Lynn’s behavior is how hypocritical it sometimes turns out. You can be slightly mean if you have authority, after all it’s a reality tv show and throwing shade is what sells. HOWEVER, Brooke Lynn wasn’t flawless on her season and she didn’t win. It’s really quite easy to undermine her authority. If you want to be mean have some ground to do so, otherwise it’s a bit delusional. Aside from that, I do think she has the capability to change for the better and perhaps in the following season she will become a better judge. After all first season of US drag race was also experimental. But when it comes to JBC... I really can’t stand him. I think I’m affected by the community and the overall hostility towards him has influenced me. I don’t know what i could add to that. He should focus on his area of expertise which is acting and stage presence and leave queen’s looks to other judges such as Brooke or Stacey. He annoys the shit out of me and I do think he needs to go. Stacey is OK. I do think all your arguments on her were valid however I also would like to pin point that she was perhaps the only judge that was also a sweetheart to contestants (as in the “Fashion House” challenge) and I do think that this kind of balances all her bad deeds.
After JBC told Jimbo her look wasn’t “Glamour” in that last episode i couldn’t take it anymore. The level of disrespect, and the lack of knowledge on actual drag culture. Jimbo had it right, if she didn’t know that was glamour i have an issue with his judging credibility.
But her dress was horrid? It wasn’t glamorous, it looked cheap. Cheap boas and bad shape. Great face. Every review show I’ve seen has agreed on that. I don’t know how anyone can see her look and not think that it’s a fail, especially compared to the other girls.
Wgirl99 Again he is a judge, what does "not glamourous at all" suppose to help her. He don't like the shape, the material, liked jimbo said it's her version of glamour and you can disagree but "not glamorous at all" was just a catty phrase rather than actual helpful criticism.
Le Tung Again, wasn’t glamorous. She didn’t have to give Latrice old school drag glam. It could’ve been campy or dark or ethereal but it had to be glamorous. Better design concept, better execution. Refined. Lemon was very campy, definitely a different interpretation but the look was complete and well executed. “Back to Party City where you belong”
J CB face and chest was beat? Lol 😂 learn how to use the words correctly ... beat means make up was on point.... what you mean was she used make up on her face and chest and still she looked camp and glamorous JBC is an idiot
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Tho Brooklyn need to polisher job as a judge, I like her job. She has proven that she has what it takes and know how it works. She has also given support and be clear on how the competition is. Also being the drag queen of the panel, she is the one to be strict.and for the other judges, a lot to learn. They should remember that Michelle is difficult because she is pushing the queens and she speaks with either love as she she is tough.
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I feel like I need to do a critique of these critiques.
Oh god yea please!
I feel like this is a little too much...
Do it then!
Yes then have bussy queen do a critique of your critiques of you critiquing her critiques
WOW Nene.
Priyanka didn't even know she's be judged possitively.
Proof that there's something wrong with the Judging
Law Abo pri is known for being dense and plays it up...
If someone literally can’t tell if someone is being nice proves they are not even giving good criticism they are just saying it nicely
Priyanka’s dress was janky but the umbrella was to die for
Pry is the Adore of Canada
The main problem I have with the “why aren’t your arms white?” Critique is that Jimbo was going for Marie Antoinette, whose style was to have a very white face/chest area, leaving the arms as they were. Which is what Jimbo did, it’s clear that JBC has a very limited understanding but he still tries to act all-knowing.
Exactly, the comment made no sense to me at all. He obviously doesn't know the history of that era and that's fine but even if you look at more modern examples like Geishas, they don't paint their hands either
sneakyboo79 when raja did her marie antoinette look in season 3 she was praised so it is confusing lol
@@liamscanlan4655 not that I really wanna defend JBC but I will say Jimbos execution of the Marie Antoinette makeup wasn't that great and I also think a wig that made reference to the time period would have helped a lot too
To be fair, that makeup was fucking awful.
@@anon8068 it totally was, but not for leaving the arms uncovered
I love it when jefferey calls a queen basic, when he’s wearing eyeshadow that’s wonky as hell, I mean Gia could and would never
Ra’s al Ghul Reborn yup, also I don’t like mr Star either I’m just a memer 😂
@@awildjanestan4825 ok but jeffery wasn't the only one. Why is he the only one getting hated on
I mean....not even a lash...I can’t
Miss thang this is brutal 😩😩✋🏼
@@symonesymoneyay690 Because he had no prior connection to the drag community. He doesn't actually know what he's talking about.
Has anyone noticed that the judges haven’t yet disagreed with each other.
Yes and it's really suspicious. Like that suggests they're being told who to give good critiques and bad ones to, and it really feels like they decided Rita will get the winner edit right from episode 1 (that blue potato sack was not a winning look)
Until Michelle Visage comes in and save the show for awhile.... and then Pyranca is safe
We know we are still watching Canada Bad taste Race
I am sorry but without RuPaul it ain't drag race for me!
This shows they have very similar opinions and they will agree with anyone if it’s not even close to what they think
Side note: drag race Thailand’s main judges did an amazing job without Ru
Indeed
I actually think Thailand is the only country so far to do a decent adaptation
OH MY FUDGING GOD WE HAVE IT IN THAILAND NOW!???? HOW HAVE I NOT HEARD OF THIS. THIS IS A DREAM COME TRUE!!!!!!!!!
I feel like an idiot. I just realized we've had Thailand's drag race for years now. 😂
@@lepotato135 and it’s sadly canceled :(
Jimbo painted her face like it was in the Rococo era.They didn't cover the arms with white. Look at Raja's Marie antoinette look or Jinx's marie antoinette. That's why fans are pissed off... historical accuracy, BUSSY!
I love Jimbo, and I want him to win, but the first thought i had was “GOT white walker”, i’m sorry. And it makes sense considering he has shown some scary looks.
Didnt really reference the Rococo era at all. The silhouette was more 1860s than 18th century and ALL gowns had sleeves in the 18th century. hair was always worn up, makeup wasn't that heavy contrary to popular belief, so nah it had nothing to do with Marie Antoinette.
@@caligulalonghbottom2629 it does reference the Rococo Era. THE MAKEUP. not the dress. Jimbo was doing a blend.
@@thehollyhazard The makeup was a miss, though. Jimbo's application of the white makeup was harsh as opposed to soft, i.e. Raja, Jinkx, Detox, Miz Cracker, etc.
You didn't really get that reference at all until Jimbo states something about it.
Uh no thats the way jim applies makeup. He has always done harsh white. Thats his thing. So yeah i didn get the reference.
I feel like the JBC just doesn’t have the drag knowledge needed to be a judge. Staci has the fashion knowledge to justify her place. Brooke Lynn feels like she mistook judging as a season long reading challenge. It’s just bizarre.
Is he even gay?
@@elisebrodeur-jacobs5215 If you're talking about JBC, yes, he's gay.
I only became interested in the Canadian franchise when hearing abt CVTW. At the time, I'd never watched any of the franchises so I jumped into S2 to get a feel for it & I'm glad I didn't start w/S1. While Fierce was so utterly annoying & irritating I never finished the season, I wondered if Brooklynn just picked up the "tone" of JBC bc in other appearances, she's very different. On the Pit Stop & Hey Qween, where the weight isn't on her to make life altering decisions, she's prolly at her most authentic, which I think is very charisma, charming & likeable, to viewers. She also comes across as "one of the girls" & doesn't showboat /brag abt her judging gig & I always appreciate a humble person. Then on S2, s3 as well as CVTW, it seems she's greatly improved from S1. This might be totes my own theory but at times, it's like you see the wheels in her head turning as she tries to decide What Would Ru Do? I don't know if on the 1st season, she'd check in w/the other judges before giving out panel decisions but on the series I saw, she always checked the panel was in consensus which I liked, esp if she's not yet comfortable making the decisions alone. Adding in Brad as a co-judge improved the show, he's witty, she has a good rapport w/him & he puts her at ease so they can joke in a entertaining way for viewers. While Stacy Melchor, imo, is an improvement as well, I don't think they have found the best fit for the 3rd judge yet. It's also my belief that, perhaps, JCB, made the entire judging panel uncomfortable & w/the superior attitude of how he acted, he may have influenced the overall judging. He really put himself out as seasoned biz "professional " on the panel, when he just made the envirn negative, brought down the vibe & used the show as a personal vehicle for his failing career much like Todrick Hall did, who also, imo, spoke to & treated Queens disrespectflly. As Brooklynn gains more confidence in herself as a host & has people around her who are supportive of her AND drag, I think she'll grow as a judge & shine bc honestly, she intimately understands the show & does takes certain aspects of the show very seriously like the lip syncs. The fact she always knows every single word makes me feel like she studies the songs too & really comprehends the responsibility of her decisions, that they can change people's lives & I really appreciate she does seem to be that conscientious now. It's def a franchise you can't get by on not knowing the words. I'd keep her & Brad around. Besides nothing Brooklynn did on S1 could compare to the abysmal job of judging Valentina did on DR MX & they would have asked her bck, even tho she isn't bilingual, had she not demanded a cool million an episode, which is more than even Michelle gets.
Ok but Stacey McKenzie is actually helpful (and stylish and cute!)
I loved seeing Stacey also give the queens a runway teach, she was so excited, and you can tell she really cared about the queens. Shes so wonderful and I hope she isnt a Merle Ginsberg.
Agreed The only time she wasn't helpful was when she said to Juiceboxx "I can't find any positives" That wasn't needed
Agree, Stacey has her faults but it’s the first season so I’m hoping they improve next season. Also I get what JBC is trying to do, but people think he’s just bitchy and with his “No ass drag knowledge”
THANK YOU I love Stacey
plus the LOOKS she pulls I mean she is just stunning!
@@stinameaner I would also add her "Really???" when Kyne said she loved her outfit (2nd episode). Like Stacy was surprised that Kyne didn't criticise her own dress the way the judges did. Did she expect from Kyne to say: "You know, you're right, my dress is shit, eliminate mi immediately."?
That's what I thought while watching that episode.
I can accept when brooke lynn makes more negative critiques, because she actually has knowledge of drag. But she could use a bit more restraint on insulting contestants.
True but that might also be her ballet training certain industries tend to be more cut throat with critiques
That's why she won. Oh wait
@@prismsage3957 she had the best track record and most challenge wins out of her season...
@@wills5945 Yeah tbh Brooke lynn is pretty good tbh. Amazing dancer, surprised me in some comedy challenges after she TANKED snatch game. She did amazing at the SheMz episode . I thought she'd be just a looks queen but shes an awesome dancer and shes got some other tricks too.
@@benjaminacuna8013 imo ballet masters are strict but not assholes
I think the main issue with the judges on CDR at this point, outside of the "one source of drag truth" that RuPaul provides in the US/UK version, is that the two main judges on the US version have been in drag spaces for their entire adult lives. Michelle, for all her faults, grew up in NYC clubs, learning from Willi Ninja and Cesar Valentino. She's also been friends with Ru for decades, so their back-and-forth is fun and familiar. Trying to replicate not only that knowledge and living the life with three people who may know each other, but aren't friends who grew up in the scene, is hard to do.
There's also a "Michael Kors/Janice Dickenson/Simon Cowell approach to American reality judging that is hard to replicate, because all three of those judges are harsh and mean, but they also know every in and out of their industry, so it comes from a place of knowledge, so the meanness is more forgiven, for better or for worse.
Wow, super well said! Fully agree with you!
Great point P. Michelle is respectable cause she is not only credible, but she is also much better at giving critique due to that credbility. She actually wants to see the girls improve, not just make fun of them.
Bussy Queen yes you can tell that underneath it, even if her comments cross a line, she actually wants the girls to do well. Do we get that vibe from any of the CDR judges? At times, Stacey, but not the others
I actually really don't mind Stacy and I do think she does a pretty good job of judging.
This is also applies to Thai Land Drag Race which is under RuPaul's name. The judges knows their shit and empathizes with the contestant's stories. They also are famous within Thailand's Drag and Fashion communities.
Jinx said if you’re watching drag race it doesn’t make you drag expert it makes you a drag fan. And this is literally about jeffrey
Canadians have a whole culture on being nice and good people, but that judge panel tells the opposite 💀
omg I KNOW! But the hilarious part of even bothering to cast "canadians" is basically none of them even live there... I think JBC + Brook are in LA and Stacey ?? Has lived outside of it for at least most of her adult life traveling the world as a model.
That’s an American stereotype.
The judges didn’t get the memo. We Canadians are, in general, very nice. Maybe they didn’t get enough hugs or their parents gave them fake American syrup instead of Quebec maple syrup which makes everything better. Lol
@@BussyQueen lemon as been in NYC since she was a teen and lives there,probably going for dual citizenship
Yes. And it bothered me that they had so little knowledge of Celine Dion... If you’re going to an event call night of a thousand Celine’s, please open wikipedia for a couple of minutes before you go!
Aside from being gay, idk what his other qualifications are that warrants him judge these amazing queens with *YEARS* of experience than him.
Acting & most likely some knowledge of fashion & modelling. I'm just being realistic.
It's supposed to be like; the actor, the model & the drag queen. I think JBC just had the least amount of knowledge, success & experience in his field of "expertise" & not enough knowledge of drag & other relevant areas.
His delivery is also the most brutal, even when his words aren't. His body language, tone of voice, the faces his pulls... They come off was more nasty. At least Brook Lynn's remarks are witty puns with some humour & cleverness to them.
He had practically none. Besides acting he has no fashion making or insight he models but that doesn't mean he understands anything which he doesn't because dude couldn't do a simple nice eyeshadow looks which I've see a 6 year old do a better job. He's really not qualified. Like wow you get to stand there and have people do your makeup and dress you. That's not qualifications for judging drag.
@@solongsuicide9 I never understood why the model which is really respected was also a judged like Jeff. Brooklyn did good although sometimes kind off but the model was the most consistent in being a good judge I never understood that. I guess that's because it's easier to put the woman in the pack and call it a day
THIS! For as useless as Santino was, he at least had fashion experience and new how to make clothes so he was decent at judging the sewing challenges and looks on the runway. I’ve seen some comments that JBC was there for acting challenges, but c’mon, how many acting challenges are there? Like 3 tops, they could have just brought him on as a guest each of those eps. 🤷🏻♀️
Brooke: Questionable sometimes but she was a contestant, I feel she gives critiques from experience
Stacey: Sweet, amazing, Stan her
Jeffrey: Bowyer Chapman
Lmaoo
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Eh, Stacey gave some mean, shitty critiques at some points
Jeffrey Boyer Chapman makes Santino Rice look like Merle Ginsberg.
LOL. True. But, JBC is trying to be Michael Kors on a bitchy day. It doesn't suit him and doesn't work for him, and neither does his kid-at-the-zoo facepaint eye make-up.
Oof big big Oof
Ok first of all, THANK YOU for addressing the blatant favoritism of Rita Baga. Don’t get me wrong, Rita is great and I adore her, but they are giving her wins she just flat out doesn’t deserve, and it looks like total Rigga Morris. Second, I think that a big thing the Canadian judges could take away from the American version is that you hear the phrase “I would have liked to see you...” while critiquing the queens. It give the queens an idea of how they can improve instead of just shitting on them and leaving it at that. But on the whole, I really do hope JBC does not return for season 2, and I don’t think that saying so is “hateful” in any way. I think to be hateful is to say things like “everyone gets the same amount of time, use it better maybe.”
There’s no way in hell that Rita’s denim look beat Jimbo’s but it did and I’m like what!?!?! If Jimbo was on the regular season and not Canada he would’ve won and the fact that JBC didn’t know of period look like Marie Antoniette says a lot. You have no experience no knowledge of Drag because you never appeared in it or went to a show before supposedly, and people jump to the race card thing and be like they only want him gone because he’s Black, bitch please RuPaul is black. The first 3 winners were poc. Like out of the regular seasons you have more poc winners than white.
@@jesustrevino3653 Also, Stacey is POC and I would kill for a Watcha Packing with her on season 2 (and also, Jeffrey far away)
Rita is solid, but she’s not truly excelling on the show. It could be in part because she has a more laid back persona and because she’s French and people don’t relate as well to her, but I also don’t think her performances live up to the three wins she’s received from the judges
I agree that JBC should go. But not necessarily because he is mean or anything. I just think he has little to no knowledge about drag or fashion and the platform is too big for him.
He doesn’t need to be fired just thrown in pit crew, and given no speaking lines.
I definitely agree with you in that JBC is trying to play a “character” to hide his insecurities with being a judge on show. Not only is he condescending without the experience or knowledge to back it up, he uses this stereotype “gay voice” SO much and it gets irritating...
It hurt hearing him say Extravaganza. Like we know you’re gay, 98% of people on the show are too. It’s hard to take him seriously when he’s acting like low rent Laganja with a deep voice.
Antonia : ] sorry, just seeing this, but yes Laganja was exactly who I thought of too!
Yes! That overly gayness in his voice and affectation is just so annoying! Its clearly fake and he's just trying to be this nasty/bitchy character.
Just like a song of Courtney Act says: he is a mean gay.
Ha ha -- I think he did recently move to weho.
He lives in West Canada
Of West Hollywood
Honestly his actual critiques aren’t the worst part. It’s the “impersonating Aquaria impersonating Trixie Mattel impersonating RuPaul” persona for me.
lmao
His entire act is like the most stereotypical gay guy in a negative way.
Agreed! His personality doesn't seem authentic. Michelle Visage called Laganja Estranja out for having an affected facade, and in my opinion it seems that JBC's facade is similarly affected. If you go back to his first appearance on All Stars 3 in the Bitchelor episode, he wasn't that over the top flamboyant character that he is currently playing on Canada's Drag Race, which is why his current facade doesn't feel authentic to me. I'm sick of the "yass girl" and "oh honnneyyy" and "gurrrrl's" that he throws in all the time.
He was so nice as a guest judge! Also, if its on his contract to be the mean judge, its still his fault for selling his soul.
Yes, God. His affectation is soo cringey.
As an European I have to point out this: Jimbo's Marie Antoinette reference was right, it used to be only the face painted white, not also the neck and the arms. I could understand the critique given if she was going for a zombie look, like the remake of her first time in drag, but this is not the case! Let's remember the Raja's Marie Antoinette look, that's exactly how they used to paint in the 1800s, because being pale in face was a sign of nobility (if you were tanned, it meant you were working in the fields).
I mean you wouldn't see Marie Antoinette's arms though...the gowns always had sleeves
Also, the powdered face look had nothing to do with 'working in the fields'. Also its the 1700s.
@KingofThebes LOL, spoon fed me misinformation. Thats a trope. Its not real information. It was obvious that they didn't work outside and in fact...living a pastoral sort of life was IDEALIZED not shunned. Marie Antoinette herself had an entire little peasant inspired village created at Versailles where she'd dress down in muslin gowns and collect eggs and live a bucolic fantasy. Most other aristocrats of the period also had themselves painted as idealized sherpherdesses and as Diana, Goddess of the hunt. The pale makeup has NOTHING to do with 'showing they didn't work in the fields'. Literally nothing. If anything it has its roots in racism and being white...nothing to do with not being a peasant. It also was not that heavy. Jimbo's makeup looks more akin to Elizabethan makeup than anything to do with the rococo period. So please, don't think you can lecture me about the 18th century. I know more about the fashion, makeup, culture, architecture, jewelry and furniture than you could dream of learning. Sit down.
Caligula Longhbottom how ever you are right about Marie Antoinette having a little pasture with *parfumed*(yes really) Cows. You are incorrect about the make up. they use white make up to highlight they’re nobility and yes the paler you were the higher your standing was. Because as was said previously it meant you didn’t have to do labor. You said it was more akin to racisme that’s is not completely true not completely wrong either though it had more to do with social standing, which does support the rasisme in a part that people of other skin tones were deemed on the bottom of that ladder. Sincerly a history teacher
@@caligulalonghbottom2629 I'm sorry if I wasn't that specifically right because I was trying to explain as easy as possible to people that are not into European culture at all. And being on a cellphone I wrote probably too fast, not checking exactly every word. I didn't want to be "the one who knows", just trying to inform people who might be interested. And if you can add any information please do, because of course I'm not a history teacher and I might be wrong, that's what they taught me when I was younger.
And I have to point out that there was no reference to racism in what I said, the part of being tanned still is something that we do joke about (like in Italy we say "bricklayer tan" to refer to someone who works hard and so is tanned as a bricklayer, but it doesn't refer to their ethnicity).
I feel like the judges think they have to be “sassy” and “witty” since it’s drag race and fans tend to love a little ✨spice✨ but what they fail to understand is that being genuinely cruel and insulting is not sassy. It’s just mean spirited and low. Ru, Michelle, Ross, and Carson are _actually_ sassy; they don’t throw insults at the queens, they make lighthearted jokes every now and then, but they never cross boundaries. CDR Judges should’ve learned to back off their rudeness immediately after giving Lemon a panic attack on stage... but they didn’t ?? And I truly cannot understand why. Why would you continue to throw insults at the queens after giving one a panic attack?? It’s stupidity.
Aside from that, Bussy already said this a bit, but what makes the judging so hard to watch is how they never really critique the queens. They never let the queens know what they can do better to improve their drag nor do they let them know what’s holding them back or even making them excel. They basically just say “love it” or “hate it” without further elaboration. Like.. great? You have an opinion? but you’re also a JUDGE on TV, you need to elaborate on what you love/hate and why you love/hate it. You can’t just state your simple opinion, it’s useless and provides no benefits or learning moments for the queens.
@@shongueesha7875 it’s not about that tho. They know how taxing it can be, but it was uncalled for when they attacked her like that. A full meltdown because of the judges isn’t acceptable. Also, no one asked your opinion
i think the judges should be drag queens/kings
@@shongueesha7875 bold of you you to think that people without anxiety or neurotypicals in general wouldn't get panic attacks from verbal abuse????
@@shongueesha7875 i get what you mean, i used a bit of hyperbole in my comment there, but at the same time it's probably expected for common decency to exist even in reality tv. And it's kinda backwards to think that reality tv should be this way in general, like if you're neurodivergent or sensitive you shouldn't participate because it's not for you, accomodations for different people is just natural. Here's an example of what happens what easy accomodations aren't met: Laganja Estranja's less than stellar experience during her season due to her not allowed her medical marijuana. tv figures shouldn't be given a pass for bad behavior just for being tv.
EXACTLY! Like, I have my issues with Ru/Michelle/Carson/Ross, but at least their critiques are CONSTRUCTIVE. They’ll tell a queen when they need to tone down/up makeup, or how to style an outfit better, or how to tackle an acting challenge successfully the next time. CDR judges are just hateful to the point it could be called abusive.
This is a spot-on analysis. It's well thought out, expressed clearly, and intelligently constructed.
I'm sure the judges will tell you that you need to put more makeup on your @$$, though, before they take you seriously.
Thanks miguel! And lolololol they do be wildin like that
Completely agree, fantastic job @bussyqueen
My biggest issue with JBC so far is that his delivery just sounds so fake - and that's all the time. Work room, challenges and runway. Makes it hard to accept anything he is saying as anything but showboating when he doesn't come across as believable.
None of the judges come across as having much of a stake in the contestants and as you mentioned that is mainly down to the strange format they've chosen of having a different person do walkthrough each week. It just seems so forced.
its all about DELIVERY. Brooklyn has a more refined drag way of reading the girls' looks ... JBC sounds like he actually hates them and is trying to hurt them with what he says :(
Plus Brooklyn knows these girls as her peers her comments even if they come off as mean to me sounds like shes joking around with them. JBC comes across hateful. Brook laughs with them, JBC laughs at them,
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RIP Chi Chi-The Bayou Queen 🙏
I am a Canadian and I don’t even understand half of the “Canadian” puns I just spent a lot of time being confused.
😂😂😂
same. i’m kinda wondering if the Canadian puns/jokes were even written by a Canadian-
@@itxgumi the writers really stretched a lot for every pun in the show.. Even the non-Canadian referenced ones 😂
"I smell favoritism" is the understatement of the century here.
The thing about RPDR is that they also have Michelle Visage, who has a history in the NY Ballroom scene and knows her shit. Carson is a very seasoned TV personality and so is Ross. They all bring some sort of experience that the queens can learn from.
Also Michael always ask the queens for a change or give them a challenge to do to improve themselves unlike CanadaDR all what they ask about is fashion!!! You only win if you look good!
Why is he so harsh and critical when HE IS NOT A DRAG QUEEN????
Preaaach!
Well, RP Drag Race's panel of judges are not made entirely by people that do drag, they just know enough about the drag scene to give some constructive criticism.
@@lyviaspillekort6180 well he barely knows drag lingo and is very harsh with a lot of the things he says
@@eoghanlarkspur1568 oh, yes, I totally agree with you, I just wanted to point out that usually the panel of judges are not made entirely by drag queens. Most of the time, only Ru Paul is the drag queen, the other judges are people that know enough to have opinions or are guest stars.
He’s a drag peasant
I believe that the production team doesn’t really know how to hide the fact that the wins are more or less already decided in advance. We all know how reality competition shows work. Where RuPaul herself is present, it’s easier to hide it, because RuPaul is a central part of the production choices (despite what some people keep insisting on), and there is no massive disconnect between Ru’s comments and the final result. With CDR we are missing the figure of an authorative person who knows what they’re doing (At this point Ru is a massive, massive expert in running a competition show). Everything else crumbles.
even the lipsyncs are justified for the most part. :o even when they did that one episode in AS where everyone lip synced for their lives, it helped the produces scope out who would be a good match up and for the lipsyncs AND it was natural.
Brooklyn needs to take more control and be the figure we need her to be. She’s the only queen on the panel like come on
“I have a Soft Spot for the Quirky Queen”-JBC
He did for BOA, that’s for sure. There was the one they lived for... until they could no longer ignore the sloppiness and poor performance.
nah he hates jimbo
Sooo, agreed but JBC is twice as worse by your count. BUT since the second Brooke crowns someone they will have surpassed her, does that mean she needs to give up her spot on the panel? I mean wouldn’t letting the winner every season judge the next season be the most Canadian thing to do.
This is a good idea
Winning is not everything. Some of the most successful Queens didn't even win. If you market yourself correctly, you can have a great post RDR career.
Haven't finished the vid yet, but I think one of the big things going against JBC is that no one sees him as an expert on drag. Other judges/hosts who are seen as extra harsh and critical, like Simon Cowell, Michelle Visage, Janice Dickenson Gordon Ramsay, Jillian Michaels, etc are considered some of the absolute foremost in their fields. You can disagree with their methods, but rarely with the actual validity of their criticisms.
It's like you correcting his use of "shake n go" wigs. If you're gonna mock someone's craft you better a) do it constructively and b) know your shit.
Always excited to hear your thoughts
“Ceh-lin” is how her name is actually pronounced in French, girl. Only Americans call her “CehLEEN”
Tséveudire!
W-what's the difference?
Always ready to enjoy Bussy’s videos. I love her.
Bussy Queen always
It’s that angelic voice 😍🥰
Honestly, I don't think JBC should be fired. I think his makeup artist should be.
*Mad at the judging*
*Getting distracted by that beautiful man*
*Confused in gay*
that's on confusion luv
2 hours later I now know how to feel. *sad*
Look over there!
@@rangergamer0447 this comment is grossly underrated
I’m sorry but all the thirst comments I leave get a bunch of likes not just here but anywhere and you know what. *no shame*
I just think Jackie Cox would be the perfect replacement for any of the judges coz not only is she Canadian but she was also very likable on her season and an experienced queen
oh my god yes please, they should bring Jackie on
I believe that JBC and Brooklyn are trying too hard to mimic the judging and relationship of Ru and Michele Visage. Brooklyn even made one of the same remarks to a contestant that Ru Paul made to someone in one of the seasons "She's wearing my outfit", I didn't really notice this until I rewatched a few of RPDR Allstars. With that said, I do believe this is where the issue is as there are some queues that come to them from the producers during the critiques, but I don't feel they know how to make the remarks funny or land in the right place. One of things I like so much about Thailand season is Art and Pangina really know how to judge and seem to both be Drag experts so to speak, they both bring some very interesting and positive critiques to their contestants as they truly come across as caring and in assisting in the growth of contestants. Same thing I feel about the Boulets on their seasons, seem truly caring. JBC is too busy being cute, and he's on RuPaul production blah. He needs to grow as well and maybe after this he can learn a thing or too.
Art and Pangina as well as the Boulets are far superior to these judges! Love them
I think these 3 should stop trying to emulate other shows and just embrace their own unique dynamic. I honestly wouldn't mind a panel of kind and respectful judges, as opposed to a bunch of people trying too hard to be someone that they are not
Plus, you can tell Art and Pangina actually cares about the queens
A big problem is that none of the judges are funny, nor are they giving constructive criticism. You can be mean but you have to back it up with some wit and knowledge.
Just to put things into perspective... on American Drag Race we had to wait 2 seasons to get Michelle Visage (aka a good judge) and 6 seasons for they to get rid of Santino Rice (aka a basic judge)
The only reason he’s so “terrible” is because he has absolutely no qualifications to judge drag. Just like Merle on season 1, 2 and especially for that one really uncomfortable episode on season 7. And don’t even get me started on santino🥴
This is why I like Michelle and can’t wait for her “guest” judge. She grew up around the club kid scene and she understands drag queens, knows them personally and loves them. Jeffrey 100% doesn’t understand them, love them or even have a background except for a weird couple guest judging episodes where he didn’t even get a critique in.
I agree, but in America there could be somebody who’s done drag as long as ru and knows the art better than anyone, but ru gets final say lol. Merle and santinos no drag knowledge is upsetting but their critiques were practically irrelevant.
Jeffrey: having this opportunity as a judge is-
Me: USE IT BETTER MABYE
JBC can’t do anything about his actions because it’s pre recorded. Acknowledging the fans calling him out would be almost impossible since the full season hasn’t aired, he can’t talk about what we haven’t seen , and he can’t say he was in the wrong knowing that more episodes of him acting the same way (I’m assuming) will air after.
katie that's an excellent point about him potentially waiting to speak out. I would also bet he's on gag order until the season finishes.
It's just wild how the franchise has ... basically completely ignored it. But - all press is good press for now. lol
He hosts the official podcast and does a very deep dive with each eliminated queen, which I appreciate greatly -- the one with Starzy was epic -- it has made me feel sympathy for his situation, because he's clearly bovered by the collective outrage. In it you hear his Hollywood voice (esp the recent one with Ross Matthews) as well as his real voice, and the difference is jarring at times. I feel it's the real him who signs off every time by saying, "If you don't have anything nice to say..._shut the fuck up_. The way he says it...bovered.
This man did a love scene with Ru, not once but twice -- his ambition is real. Perhaps an appearance on Glow Up is more his speed -- Ding Dong Darling!
Bussy Queen you speak so eloquently 😭🥺
“hi! im bussy!”
me, a new viewer: WHOM
thank you for saying my truth
Imo kyne was automatically going in the bottom on episode 2 when they asked her if she liked her look, which is clearly meant to corner her
Brooke: hope ur less combative on stage
Kyne: will do
Stacey: So kyne, how do you feel about your look (notice how no one else got this question)
Kyne: I ..like it.. ?
Judges: WELL GUESS WHA-
Heres my CONSPIRACY theory: Jimbo doesnt win and JBC is the villain. We know the season is already shot and the winner is already picked, and they had no idea Jimbo would grab everyone by the heart like she has. Im guessing shes eventually voted off (my psychic powers tell me she'll be voted off due to more poor judging choices), and they are now given JBC the villain edit in post so they can blame this travesty on someone, and not just theshowas a whole.
I recently heard a theory that Jimbo can't win because she can't be controlled.
Jimbo is not going to win
Whether they want JBC to shoulder the blame or not, shes not going to.
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No, I don’t think the show ever would give a judge a villain edit.
They desperately want as famous and big name judges as possible to agree to be on the show as guest judges and permanent judges, to help promote the show.
If they are going to try replace the judges for a potential season 2 they are going to have quite a hard time doing it. Who would want to take the job now after seeing the viewers very strong response to the season 1 judges?
That is quite a risk to take with their career to accept that job.
I do however think JBC was asked, cast or entirely scripted to be the mean judge. And production totally botched the execution of it. I think they just have no way of saving it, because that is all there is.
They only have footage of those sort of critiques with JBC, so they could only potentially cut most of his critiques.
But I’m guessing that all the judges have something in their contracts about getting more or less equal screen time as all the other two judges.
And the show would have a hard time doing it, they need the critiques that makes no sense to explain the ranking of the girls that makes no sense.
I think all the judges got weird notes of the sort of critiques production wanted from them while filming.
I think production asked for ‘iconic’ and ‘memeable’ critiques.
They wanted “meh” moments, a "Is that a prosthetic nose?" or "No, no you talk like this! This is how you talk!".
All of them are pretty mean and unhelpful. But they and others similar to them are probably some of the most well known and shared moments from the judges.
Doesn’t make for good judging or tv if they try to force that kind of moments all the time and that is all we ever get form the panel and nothing else really.
Yeah no I think the main problem is that producers behind the scene had a very bad grasp of what would make good tv and understand what the fans would want while planning and filming the show.
And now has a mess they are trying to edit the best they can.
@@IQzminus2 then I think the problem is might be that production is composed of people that wanted to make money off of a successful francise without having knowledge of what it entails it to be
"Basic" seems to be his version of Michelle's "pedestrian". Neither word belong in the rolodex of drag critique. Pedestrian literally means street clothes. I haven't seen any queen wear street clothes on the main stage. Basic is a cringey word I say ironically with a vocal fray
I absolutely love this, it's so well put together and thought out! I love how you're not just advocating for Jeffrey to be removed, like u said near the end he could be under a contract until the season ends or scripted etc. I think he definitely deserves a second chance. (The show is also edited!)
amen to that ❤️
Yes JBC needs to be fired and in Jimbos words “look up the definition of glamour” plus his no drag knowledge about judging. He’s just not fit for it at all.
I think we react so strongly to JBC's critiques in part because he's a conventionally attractive man. Part of what everyone loves about drag and Drag Race is that anyone can transform themself and enjoy the sort of power and attention that's usually reserved for super hot people. So it just kind of sucks to watch a traditionally hot dude tear down a queen who's out there feeling her fantasy. Obviously, he can't control what he looks like, but it would've been nice if one of the producers had told him to emulate Carson Kresley instead of Michele Visage.
can we talk about how amazing this season is apart from the judges? Can we talk about how good the drama is? How entertaining and fresh all the queens are? How stellar the lip-syncs are? How many memorable moments have happened? I don't see anyone expressing how good this season is because all everyone focuses on is the judging. i get it. it frustrated me too watching it. but what i'll remember is not cringing over jeffrey and brooke, what i'll remember is priyanka making me laugh so hard every episode, rita being the most adorable little man out of drag, lemon surprising me when her talent and self-awareness started to shine, jimbo being unpredictable on the runway and HILARIOUS in untucked, scarlett being such a dark horse, the i drove all night lipsync almost moving me to tears. THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD ALL BE TALKING ABOUT.
I feel like the biggest issue with the judges is that they're all trying too hard to be like RuPaul. They all take turns kinda "hosting" and it really raises egos for all of them, except maybe Stacey. Brooke Lynn Hytes isn't being herself like she was on Season 11, and Jeffrey has been consistently called out for "trying to be Michelle." I think it's not a matter of the judging that's bad, it's just the judges not being themselves.
Agreed!
Completely agree. It really does feel like Brooke Lynn is doing an impersonation of Ru Paul and to me it comes across as not very genuine or helpful.
They kept Rita because of the French Canadians. They wanted the views. I'm french Canadian myself. I've seen Rita perform 10 years ago. She was amazing though.
tbh the judging on this season has been so strange. It's almost like an All Stars season. But I also think that some of the backlash against both the judges and especially the queens (in particular Rita) really need to stop! It's like the Brita all over again, go support your favorite and don't tear down the other queens because of their placment!
Who would have thought that Stacey would be the judge everyone would like when she is sitting next to Brook Lyn and JBC? Lol. Anyway I'm here for Stacey. When she critiques someone, you can tell she is using her background as a supermodel and she talks about stuff she knows. Brook Lyn and JBC come across as weird/mean. I'm not against what they say... but the need to work on delivery.
lol i can hear Alyssa Edwards to JBC saying "will u please shut up with your no drag knowledge"
Here's my personal opinion about JBC as a judge: Does he deserve racist insults, death threats and hate on his social media? NO. (No one does)? Does he deserve the harsh critiques he's getting? YES.
How do you expect to be rude and bitchy with your own words and not expect for someone to clap back at you? The problem with Mr. Chapman is that he tries so hard to imitate RuPaul to point where he does not seem authentic, and that makes it uncomfortable to watch. You're asking someone to show personality yet you imitate someone else's mannerisms? I thing the issue as well is that he has never done drag and lacks of fashion references (like the Jimbo critic) the best thing that can happen aside of the show addressing the hate from the fans is him apologizing for his words, because he has been rude, maybe he's not like that in real life, and we can't judge him because we don't know him but he has been really rude on the show and that has not been edited for shade or try to build drama. (Brooke Lynn also)
There's a way you can say things without being rude. If it was on my hands to have him on S2, I would rather choose someone else who has more tact and experience in the fashion world rather than being a model.
By the way I loved the video I'm suscribing cutie
It's just the producers pulling strings and force JBC to be the bad judge and Rupaul Wannabe so fans can send hate to him instead of production
I feel like he should take the time to adjust his delivery with critiques and the “Rupaul” moments that they alternate with, I would hate to see his career end this way.
@@sergiosalcedo5111 Tbh it looks like he meaned the words when he said things, I don't think this is staged, he was acting bitchy and has nothing to do with the production
Now that the season is done, if he returns to S2 he should be in the look out on how to deliver a good critique
The last episode doesn't make sense: Bob actually won a challenge with one of the worst outfits of the season!
I just watched all of Canadas drag race finally and one of the things I noticed right off the bat was how much the girls cried. And I thought at first maybe Canadians are more open with their emotions?? And now I'm realising they cried so much because the judges were so incredibly rude and really just put down all the girls without really building them back up at all
I have a theory that Rupaul wanted the Canada’s drag race judges to not be as good so that it makes him look better and make his judgments look more legitimate
omg the GAG if this comes out to be true?!
YUP
Haha I had the same theory.
There can be some truth in that! Remember how RPDR was criticised after S7 or AS3?
And now a paraphrase:
The fans: How are the other spin-offs helping you out?
RPDR: They're all helping me out by being horrible and making me look better.
*camera focuses on Canada's Drag Race*
And that’s why it’s RuPaul Drag Race UK
But Canada Drag Race not RuPaul Drag Race Canada
The favoritism bothers me this season. BOA getting praise for the unpolished gross looks and Rita looking like a plate of nachos for 75% the season and yet still getting wins after wins and then underrating Jimbo, Scarlett, and Ilona makes me wanna screaaam.
Plate of nachos ☠️
RIP Chi Chi DeVanye.......you were one of the best Lip Syncers & you are loved 😍
This most recent episode doesn't help either, once again Jimbo had arguably the best look and make over so the judges create some bullshit reason to not only prevent him from getting the win, but to place him "low" when they clearly didn't care much for Scarlet Bobo's outfit.
I guess they're realizing that "presentation" on the runway isn't exactly Jimbo's strongest quality despite his outfits arguably being the best throughout the season so they're giving that much more weight than anything else and it's fucking bullshit.
If he gets eliminated next, especially for yet another BS critique, i hope Ru takes over the next season (if there will be a next season) or at least finds someone with far more credibility, tact and expertise.
Yes!! I can’t believe scarlet barely got any critique on that awful look, and got away because they “had fun on the runway”, like what? At the same time Jimbo was basically in the bottom for being “sexy” while also having the best look imo. Since when is runway presentation more important than the look?
@@ellagranelli9757 To give the judges an excuse to not let Jimbo win.
I am tired of seeing Jimbo robbed. It is ridiculous.
Utica is becoming the Season 13 Jimbo. It sucks to see it.
@@phoenixrising7777 How so? I think Utica is incredibly unique with amazing fashion sense but Jimbo actually did amazing in every single acting/improv challenge while Utica was awkwardly horrible in 2 of them.
What irritated me about Canada's Drag Race was how the judges constantly shifted their standards, oh this week the runway is more important than the challenge, oh this week the challenge was significantly more important than the runway, this week the runway presentation is a huge deal and in every instance, it was at the detriment of Jimbo.
Whereas RuPaul is pretty consistent in favoring performance in the challenge over the runway, hence why we've had many queens do kind of poorly in the runway win because of their excellent performance in the challenge. To RuPaul, the runway typically serves as a "tie breaker" or which queen gets saved from lip syncing and with this standard in mind, Utica's overall placements each week makes sense.
RIP: Chi Chi Devayne! May you be at peace & your family have angels to help guide them through this rough time! You will forever be missed & made so many smile!
I love the queens but the judging is so strange. In the last episode my partner and I had no idea who was the top and who was the bottom after the judging lol their choices are always so shocking
Me reading the text in the thumbnail: "yes"
this cast of queens is so amazing and likeable, it really is a shame the judges panel has been so bizarre
Agreed re: the runway breaking ties and such in Ru’s drag race. Sometimes it doesn’t even matter. For example, way back in season 2, Tatianna’s runway was not well-received and yet she still won the snatch game episode with her maxi challenge performance. Ergo: justice for Jimbo!
Also, I think it was pretty obvious that Jimbo was going for a "French Aristocrat" look; watch Raja's and Jinkx Marie Antoinette inspired runways and they also have white makeup on their face with no makeup on the rest of their body. One would think that the judging panel of a country where one of their official languages is French would get the reference.
I feel like there should have been an extra strike for the pinata metaphor; maybe it was just poorly thought out, but like... we don't need to joke about literal gaybashing on a show like Drag Race.
Idc about the judges rn!! Rest in power and peace chi chi we are going to miss you💔💔💔😥😥😥🥺🥺
Bussy I love how you're always well-thinking when you have discussions about any topic. You remind me of my younger brother who is very forthright and doesn't stand for any shinagins as well. Thank you for every video you make. I deeply appreciate them. 🙂
Also, it seems like the judges/producers have an agenda about the “sexier” side of drag.
Brooke Lynn had a nasty attitude and compared everyone’s drag to her own. As if she’s the standard that everyone should be held to. Bitch didn’t win her season. She might have looked pretty on S11 but her acting and comedy sucked. I guess that’s why she had no appreciation for Jimbo. Don’t have a double standard for the judges- if Jeffrey is being questioned, Brooke Lynn should be too! She made really insulting comments during her critiques of the queens. Actually, all three judges couldn’t make up their mind whether they liked camp, dirty drag or glam, beauty drag. Their standards changed every episode.
I blame Rupaul for placing them as judges just because they are his ‘’canadian friends’’.
16:07 “Who talks like that?” Bullies! Bullies across the board talks like that!
Lemon was safe on the rapping episode and that’s some rigga morris bs
And jimbo was safe with that performance?
Choices
Rita Morris
@@anonanon298 hahahahahaha
Who’s morris?
I would honestly love a cut of this season that just has the contestants, not the judges. The contestants are amazing and so entertaining and talented. The problem with JBC is he sees himself as Michelle Visage without any of those dues paid. Michelle, for the most part, knows what she's talking about and does provide feedback. Brooke is another miss for me because she doesn't have the star power to hold this show the way RuPaul does.
14:07
I never realized how dark and creepy this critique sounds out of context
I don't think its necessarily a bad thing to have a "mean" judge, but I think it needs to come with genuine critique behind it.
Like if you desperately wanted to be "mean" to Jimbo during her pageant runway it would most likely be better to say something like "Jimbo you look much, much, much older this week. If the criteria was old glam you would be the winner. Next time let's see a bit more of a refined shape to your body. The goal is flowey, not frumpy". Which still gives Jimbo multiple points of reference to improve for next week.
But even then, why be rude for no reason? I'm not saying coddle the queens, but don't fucking bully them?
excellent point!!! If all of his critiques were "specific" negative - then we may not be where we are at!
@@BussyQueen I think JBC is trying to go for a catty persona as a judge, and for all we know he may have said some genuine points for improvement, but it seems like he just either got a bad edit (which as a judge is a bit hard to believe) or he just straight up wanted to come across as rude.
It's so easy to be rude and productive at the same time. How hard is it for Jeff to say "Is time management a strength of yours? Otherwise you may need to scale back your creative endeavours" instead of "MMMMMMMMMMM PERHAPS YOU SHOULD.. MMMMUSE IT BETTER MAYBE".
that critique is shit though? Telling someone they look 'much, much, much, older' is ruder than anything they've said so far, and "the goal is flowy not frumpy" is not only vague but not necessarily true, 'flowy' isn't necessarily an ideal silhouette. If they wanted to critique her they could have mentioned that her make-up reads as older, told her that her waistline gets lost, and that whatever she was using to create the hoop skirt looks boxy and uneven
Thank you for a good and not overly biased review of this. For him to improve we need to be more understanding that he can't correct his behavior on the show since this season has already been recorded.
If they have a season 2 I want him to come back and do better. Which in my opinion sounds like a better story than if he left the show because of overly harsh criticism.
Well some will say they rather him just leave, but it would personally leave a bad taste in my mouth. This show is good because it's accepting of people and all their mistakes and we get to make fun of it after the fact. He just did a bad call on how to judge and was overly harsh without realizing, but I don't think that makes him a bad person, just not perfect.
I think that he shouldn’t be fired, maybe just a talk with the three of them? Certify exactly what their roles are, I feel that he isn’t trying to be a jackass, but more of try to give the “tough love” type of deal. Problem is, he hasn’t put any *love* in his tough love.
agreeeeeeeeddddddd! We need more LOVE if we are gonna be doing all this mess on drag race! It's so "cold"... :( Michelle visage is a great example of tough love, even if she's a bit harsh sometimes.
I’m not sure why a judge who’s doing a pretty consistently bad job gets to come back and try again the next season. Contestants don’t. I also think the producers have a lot to answer for. I don’t subscribe to Jeffery being “under contract” to act an arsehole. He’s coming across like an insipid 2 dimensional viper, the popular but mean girl in school. And I doubt that is the character he wants to portray. My assumption is he thinks he’s being acerbic but witty. Unfortunately, as can be the case with a good looking boy, they don’t have to work as hard at being popular, and the personalities can be lacking. I do think is the producers should have picked up he was missing his mark, and given him the constructive feedback.
Meanwhile Stacey is sitting over there like 👸
She's an angel. But she's a complicit angel!!! lololol
@@BussyQueen I'll tolerate Brooke if we get to see Stacey grab her arm like that every time she be gagged.
I think each judge should bring a specialty - so Stacy fashion/ Brook is drag and Jeffrey could maybe be acting but not really bc he doesn’t have A LOT of acting experience
And maybe if he was a comedy actor would be better / so it’s hard to feel good about him as a judge
Brooklyn can be kinda rough but it seems more like how drag queens usually read eachother and can be shady
Jimbo should’ve won most of these episodes- Jimbo is a favorite to most fans - that denim outfit was amazing
Jimbo is different all the time
Damn. I was happy to see new judges. We need back Michelle, ross and Carson. Amazing video as always!!
JBC is the product of what happens when individuals place too much emphasis on a child's looks vs reminding him/her/them that your character, intelligence, and personality are infinitely more important.
"Drag never takes itself too seriously" - RuPaul, Season 6 Finale, something maybe the judges need to remember
You covered this super well. I also wanted to point out there are a few cases where important factors of judging are completely ignored. Like i recorded Boa's episode 1 critique of her outfit and I noticed that not one of them even COMMENTED on the outfit itself, the guest judge DID point out the potatoes but again, didn't even give feedback on them, just calling them "wow". Despite the outfit being reminiscent of multiple "corsets with a piece of fabric" looks that instantly get ridiculed by judges (I've even seen a side by side of it next to Porkchop's original look that got her eliminated.) Also, Kyne's outfit was berated for the pieces falling off and her difficulty to walk in it, without anyone remarking that it was styled and tailored very well. Combine this with Rita's out of place win and The fact that all of this was in episode 1 really set this season off on the wrong foot.
"ceh-lin" is how we say her name in quebec lol celine but more french!
It sounds sort of like how an Irish person may pronounce her name as well.
I love how Allie X was the only one who while the queens were in untucked said the look was awesome because tbh as an Allie X stan, I was just happy to see she was a Jimbo stan too-
The thing is they don’t give critiques, they just give criticism, nothing really constructive at all, and some suspicious choices are made every episode. Honestly for me this is the worst iteration of Drag Race yet I just don’t like the judges, love the queens and the challenges tho just as soon as Cover Girl plays I know some BS is approaching 😂♥️
Totally agree with what you're saying! Most of their critique is "general negative" - it's just unhelpful! lol
Omg your name 😂 When Jimbo said that I almost spat out my coffee
Amy Long I know lol yet she’s robbed again of yet another challenge win, should’ve won episode 1 and 6 😢
Bussy Queen OMG I got a reply from Bussy! I love you ♥️♥️♥️ yeah I agree they’re all way too harsh and unhelpful and their judging is so inconsistent. “Welcome to the competition, Honey”. What?! 😂😂
I just need AS6 to see Kameron snatch her crown ♥️🤞🤞🤞 also R.I.P. Chi Chi, so devastating, I’m so upset
Ok, this is my theory about Rita's placement (I love her, this is not a hate comment). She is french canadian, more, from Montreal, my hometown. It can be hard to understand for non canadians, but there are huge tensions between french canadians and the rest of Canada. It is mostly for historical reasons but we rarely feel represented or respected when it comes to our language and traumas (which can be said about pretty much all natives and immigrants btw). People from Montreal are known to be very vocal about it, especially confronting english canadians whenever they can.
In a lot of canadian competitions in the past, french canadians have been snobbed, forbidden of even competing, not taken seriously, the list goes on. My theory is that since a lot of inequalities are being called out (me too, black lives matter, etc...) and even though the french canadian issue is way far from the ones I mentioned, they don't want this controversy that could ruin the show. Also, Rita is related (drag daughter?) to one of the most popular drag queen in Canada : Mado. And if she turns her back on them, almost all Quebec queens will.
Again, just my bullshit theory based on politic reasons and money.
That actually makes a lot of sense and adds context.
I find it distasteful to have JBC appear on a judging panel when he isn't even decent at what *he* does for a living. In American Horror Story he's playing himself... just another bitchy queen; which is evidently who he really is. And we've already got a surplus of that archetype... ohh huunnnyyyy
EDIT: PS. Bussy, you are.. in a word.. ... 'Delicious'
; )
Ruby Zeldastein I hated him in Apocalypse
I don’t even remember him in apocalypse 😂😂😂
My boss always said “if you come to me with a complaint, you also better come with a solution”. Judging should be the same. I think and hope S1 is going to be a game changer for S2, eh Ru Paul?
Ok, here’s what I think. First of all I’d like to point that I’m an European and I’m not quite acquainted with neither canadian or american drag scenes. Well, aside of drag race at least.
I’ll start with my idea for the judging format. Because it is still RUPAUL’s drag race I’d like to see Ru as a host in the first episode. The show isn’t hiding with it’s approach which could be described as “Ru is still the main bitch and these people are only here because I’m to busy”. Ru still is leaving messages to the queens so I think that her being there in person for the beginning of each season as a co-host would be a nice touch. At the end of an episode she could appoint the “Warden of the North” (I roll with the Brooke Lynn’s GoT reference) which would be the leader of the judging panel during her absence. Also I see the “Warden” as the co-host of the first episode, alongside with Ru. Who that supposed to be? Imo Canadian drag queen, I don’t know the scene that well, but the Queen that appeared during the pageant challenged was introduced as some kind of big deal in Canada so I guess she could do. On her side I see Stacey and Brooke Lynn as a side judges and obviously special guests. Everything would roll as in the US drag race with the Canadian host wielding Ru’s power, thus having the final say. Perhaps we could grant Brooke Lynn the power to save one girl per one season from elimination, you know, as she knows the struggles of the contestants and might see something a bit differently than other judges. Idk, just an idea to make the show more entertaining.
Personally I still enjoy Brooke Lynn more than JBC. It might be because of what you said - we are more used to drag queens being mean to other drag queens. What annoy’s me about Brooke Lynn’s behavior is how hypocritical it sometimes turns out. You can be slightly mean if you have authority, after all it’s a reality tv show and throwing shade is what sells. HOWEVER, Brooke Lynn wasn’t flawless on her season and she didn’t win. It’s really quite easy to undermine her authority. If you want to be mean have some ground to do so, otherwise it’s a bit delusional. Aside from that, I do think she has the capability to change for the better and perhaps in the following season she will become a better judge. After all first season of US drag race was also experimental.
But when it comes to JBC... I really can’t stand him. I think I’m affected by the community and the overall hostility towards him has influenced me. I don’t know what i could add to that. He should focus on his area of expertise which is acting and stage presence and leave queen’s looks to other judges such as Brooke or Stacey. He annoys the shit out of me and I do think he needs to go.
Stacey is OK. I do think all your arguments on her were valid however I also would like to pin point that she was perhaps the only judge that was also a sweetheart to contestants (as in the “Fashion House” challenge) and I do think that this kind of balances all her bad deeds.
Some people are not meant to be judges because they don't know how to give constructive criticism.
After JBC told Jimbo her look wasn’t “Glamour” in that last episode i couldn’t take it anymore. The level of disrespect, and the lack of knowledge on actual drag culture. Jimbo had it right, if she didn’t know that was glamour i have an issue with his judging credibility.
But her dress was horrid? It wasn’t glamorous, it looked cheap. Cheap boas and bad shape. Great face. Every review show I’ve seen has agreed on that. I don’t know how anyone can see her look and not think that it’s a fail, especially compared to the other girls.
Wgirl99 Again he is a judge, what does "not glamourous at all" suppose to help her. He don't like the shape, the material, liked jimbo said it's her version of glamour and you can disagree but "not glamorous at all" was just a catty phrase rather than actual helpful criticism.
Le Tung also Jimbo’s face and hair were beat (Glamorous).Agree that the dress was a mess.
Le Tung Again, wasn’t glamorous. She didn’t have to give Latrice old school drag glam. It could’ve been campy or dark or ethereal but it had to be glamorous. Better design concept, better execution. Refined. Lemon was very campy, definitely a different interpretation but the look was complete and well executed. “Back to Party City where you belong”
J CB face and chest was beat? Lol 😂 learn how to use the words correctly ... beat means make up was on point.... what you mean was she used make up on her face and chest and still she looked camp and glamorous JBC is an idiot