Tom, you’re still just about the only person to ever produce a YT video addressing sharpening a veneer saw. Sure you can find mentions in passing that it may need to be done in obscure content out there. But I thought about all the guys would probably messed up their tooth geometry over the years because of the wave of a hand that had so often been tossed at them. Thanks again.
Haha, thank you so much! It’s funny how we have heard feedback that is so varied…some say it’s boring but those are the ones used to all edited content. We’re trying to keep it real and fun, so we sure appreciate you saying that! 👍😎
Veneer softening is described in many places as mostly a mixture of distilled water, glycerine, and some denatured alcohol. The proportions of each are also found in some Fine Woodworking articles and on websites. Glycerine eases the fibers and lets the veneer relax. Some add a bit of glue to act as sizing, if that seems needed for the application.
Inlay saws blades are very similar to veneer saw blades but the saw has a rigid back and only one edge (if there are two on an inlay saw) is usable at a time and there are no indented screw holes. It is help in place by the rigid back like a one sided razor blade.
Thinking about the inlay saw v/v the veneer saw. The latter can be flipped to have the bevel cut the way you want. Meanwhile, the material would have to be cut from the reverse side if the blade had a bevel, which it likely does for the same reason. But having just one cutting edge, it can only have a single bevel and, so, a single flat side.
Thanks Jim! I got an inlay saw for Christmas. It’s nice but I haven’t figured out how to work it into the process quite yet. It had a similar profile curve to the veneer saw, and actually is not beveled either side. Instead, it’s fine toothed blade has no set either side. I wish I remembered to try it last night during the Making line inlay episode, instead of the Japanese saw. It would be great for those little cuts. Thanks for watching and being part of us! 👍😎
Camera Lady chiming in here with an option… we filmed a shop tour near the beginning of starting these livestreams. You might enjoy it. 😊 Here’s the link: ua-cam.com/users/live5QFsR8GghTU?feature=share
Never heard of a veneer saw, but you're never old enough to learn more. Question: can you use some sort of "stanley" knife instead and IF NOT (recommended) what's the difference in "cutting" the veneer between those two. (an ignorant Dutchman 😉). Btw. Thanks or explaining everything you do and thanks to the wonderful job of the camera"man".
That actually is a great question and I’m regretting I did not mention the difference last night as it is worthwhile to talk about. Cutting across the grain you can use a knife effectively, although it can be a little tricky following and not cutting into the straightedge if it’s not metal. But the main advantage to the saw is when cutting along the grain, particularly when the material is quite fibrous and grainy, like the Zebrawood I was cutting last night. A knife often wanders away from the straightedge as it gets caught and tracks in the grain lines. A saw cuts differently and rarely gets caught in the grain and pulled away from the straightedge, and leaves a cleaner true straight cut when sawing with the grain. Plus, if you try it out, you’ll find the saw is much more a pleasure to use along the straightedge, requiring only light pressure to give you nice clean accurate cuts. Hope that makes sense and is helpful! Thanks for watching 👍😎
@@EpicWoodworking Thanks for the very rapid reply, considering the distance 😃 between our two countries. Happy woodworking and 'till next time. Btw. Could have asked the question during your "live" session but, well ..... there's a big time difference (my bedtime 😉) and you've got a whole evening to go!
LOL, tried to watch last night but mouth movement and words were not synced up. It was like watching an old Japanese Godzilla movie. LOL!! But Camera Lady comes through again and we have a perfect video to watch this morning. Thank you Chris! Oh, and thank Mr. Camera Lady too.
Haha, thanks Tom!! Yes, there would be no video at all without the camera lady! It’s always frustrating when the technology doesn’t cooperate, but thankfully she got it figured out quickly. I remember sitting through those lip synced Godzilla movies!! 😂 Thanks for hanging in there and checking back to watch it! 👍
Thank you for your videos I really appreciate them, so very interesting, just a quick question is it possible to buy a left hand veneer saw for us lefty's ?
Thanks Roy, so glad you enjoy the videos! I know of this problem for left handed veneer saws and it’s not easily remedied. There are Japanese veneer saws which have straight handles but I have not found one yet that I know enough about to recommend. The other option is the Gramercy style, which works nicely and equally well right or left handed…but it’s not cheap at a bit over $150. Hope that helps a bit! 👍
A funny story about veneer softener. I bought some pieces of walnut stump veneer that were extremely wavy ( the seller warned me) that I'd need veneer softener. Glycerine and water make veneer softener and I knew you could buy glycerine at drug stores. I think women use it to soften their fingernails, but I'm not sure about that. I was looking around the store and couldn't find it so I asked a young woman who worked there to help me. This being the computer age, she entered glycerine in her in-house cell phone that lists the store's inventory and she found glycerine suppositories and asked me if that was what I was seeking. I told her I wasn't having that kind of problem and we soon found what I wanted. The formula is eight ounces of water to one ounce of glycerin; easy peezy!
“I’m not having that kind of problem” 😂😂 You’re pretty clever Ken, I never though of making my own, although I do remember reading years ago of the ingredients. Where did you get the formula, do you think the companies who sell the pre-mixed have any other additional additives? I may try mixing it up myself next time if glycerin is cheap and easy enough to acquire…although I’m not having that kind of problem 😎. Thanks for watching and letting me know that!👍
@@EpicWoodworking I have no idea if manufacturers have additional additives in their veneer softener. I knew veneer softener was glycerin and water but Greg at Certainly Veneer gave me the ratio. Certainly Veneer and Greg are top-notch to work with. The next time I flatten veneer I'll be sure to hang it up. I pressed the veneer sheets between pieces of cheap particle board (I figured it was absorbant so what the heck!) It took a long time to dry and two applications and pressings to get the veneer semi-flat. I'm going to iron the veneer on in hopes that it will flatten completely that way. Yes, the glycerin is cheap and easy to acquire. I bought a bottle at my local CVS for $5.00 or $6.00 and mixed it up in a spray bottle. Don't let them sell you the suppositories! LOL!
@@EpicWoodworking The magnifying glass was used to check the thread count in linen fabrics. It id very old school and there are much better loops made today
Tom, you’re still just about the only person to ever produce a YT video addressing sharpening a veneer saw. Sure you can find mentions in passing that it may need to be done in obscure content out there. But I thought about all the guys would probably messed up their tooth geometry over the years because of the wave of a hand that had so often been tossed at them. Thanks again.
Thanks Shannon, I did not realize that. Glad you enjoyed it! 👍😎
These two are so refreshing to watch. The authenticity of y’all’s content makes me feel at home. If your/some kids ever ask to edit for you, say nooo.
Haha, thank you so much! It’s funny how we have heard feedback that is so varied…some say it’s boring but those are the ones used to all edited content. We’re trying to keep it real and fun, so we sure appreciate you saying that! 👍😎
Hi Tom, the loupe you are using Is specifically known as a linen tester, for counting the fibres per inch. Hence the scale etched into the frame.
Veneer softening is described in many places as mostly a mixture of distilled water, glycerine, and some denatured alcohol. The proportions of each are also found in some Fine Woodworking articles and on websites. Glycerine eases the fibers and lets the veneer relax. Some add a bit of glue to act as sizing, if that seems needed for the application.
Nice to hear the actual ingredients Norm, thank you! I love how the softener works, like night and day when working with difficult material. 👍
Tom, you are an inspiration. Thank you for all you do for the rest of us.
Thank you Poppa, that means a lot to me. I’m so glad to have you part of us! 👍
This page just keeps on giving. Thank you.
Thanks Danny, we’re enjoying it too! 👍😎
Sounds like he’s running that hill. 🤦🏽♀️🔊 7:53 lol
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Inlay saws blades are very similar to veneer saw blades but the saw has a rigid back and only one edge (if there are two on an inlay saw) is usable at a time and there are no indented screw holes. It is help in place by the rigid back like a one sided razor blade.
Okay, thanks Jim! I’ll check those out and see if they offer cutting advantages I don’t already have with my current tools. 👍😎
@@EpicWoodworking Lee Valley Tools shows one of these with a Google search.
Thinking about the inlay saw v/v the veneer saw. The latter can be flipped to have the bevel cut the way you want. Meanwhile, the material would have to be cut from the reverse side if the blade had a bevel, which it likely does for the same reason. But having just one cutting edge, it can only have a single bevel and, so, a single flat side.
Thanks Jim! I got an inlay saw for Christmas. It’s nice but I haven’t figured out how to work it into the process quite yet. It had a similar profile curve to the veneer saw, and actually is not beveled either side. Instead, it’s fine toothed blade has no set either side. I wish I remembered to try it last night during the Making line inlay episode, instead of the Japanese saw. It would be great for those little cuts. Thanks for watching and being part of us! 👍😎
@@EpicWoodworking Thanks for the reply. I didn't think people actually read the comments on their site. Nice to know I was wrong at least once. :-)
Can we get a tour of your shop. Keep looking at that thing on the right. 5:30
Yes, great idea, I’ll have to do that soon…once I clean up a bit 😎
Camera Lady chiming in here with an option… we filmed a shop tour near the beginning of starting these livestreams. You might enjoy it. 😊 Here’s the link: ua-cam.com/users/live5QFsR8GghTU?feature=share
Never heard of a veneer saw, but you're never old enough to learn more. Question: can you use some sort of "stanley" knife instead and IF NOT (recommended) what's the difference in "cutting" the veneer between those two. (an ignorant Dutchman 😉).
Btw. Thanks or explaining everything you do and thanks to the wonderful job of the camera"man".
That actually is a great question and I’m regretting I did not mention the difference last night as it is worthwhile to talk about.
Cutting across the grain you can use a knife effectively, although it can be a little tricky following and not cutting into the straightedge if it’s not metal. But the main advantage to the saw is when cutting along the grain, particularly when the material is quite fibrous and grainy, like the Zebrawood I was cutting last night. A knife often wanders away from the straightedge as it gets caught and tracks in the grain lines. A saw cuts differently and rarely gets caught in the grain and pulled away from the straightedge, and leaves a cleaner true straight cut when sawing with the grain. Plus, if you try it out, you’ll find the saw is much more a pleasure to use along the straightedge, requiring only light pressure to give you nice clean accurate cuts.
Hope that makes sense and is helpful! Thanks for watching 👍😎
@@EpicWoodworking Thanks for the very rapid reply, considering the distance 😃 between our two countries. Happy woodworking and 'till next time.
Btw. Could have asked the question during your "live" session but, well ..... there's a big time difference (my bedtime 😉) and you've got a whole evening to go!
LOL, tried to watch last night but mouth movement and words were not synced up. It was like watching an old Japanese Godzilla movie. LOL!!
But Camera Lady comes through again and we have a perfect video to watch this morning. Thank you Chris! Oh, and thank Mr. Camera Lady too.
Haha, thanks Tom!! Yes, there would be no video at all without the camera lady! It’s always frustrating when the technology doesn’t cooperate, but thankfully she got it figured out quickly.
I remember sitting through those lip synced Godzilla movies!! 😂 Thanks for hanging in there and checking back to watch it! 👍
Thank you for your videos I really appreciate them, so very interesting, just a quick question is it possible to buy a left hand veneer saw for us lefty's ?
Thanks Roy, so glad you enjoy the videos! I know of this problem for left handed veneer saws and it’s not easily remedied. There are Japanese veneer saws which have straight handles but I have not found one yet that I know enough about to recommend. The other option is the Gramercy style, which works nicely and equally well right or left handed…but it’s not cheap at a bit over $150.
Hope that helps a bit! 👍
What kind of file is that?
It's the kind that doesn't have a handle on it.😀
Yes, that’s what I should have said! 😎
A funny story about veneer softener. I bought some pieces of walnut stump veneer that were extremely wavy ( the seller warned me) that I'd need veneer softener. Glycerine and water make veneer softener and I knew you could buy glycerine at drug stores. I think women use it to soften their fingernails, but I'm not sure about that. I was looking around the store and couldn't find it so I asked a young woman who worked there to help me. This being the computer age, she entered glycerine in her in-house cell phone that lists the store's inventory and she found glycerine suppositories and asked me if that was what I was seeking. I told her I wasn't having that kind of problem and we soon found what I wanted. The formula is eight ounces of water to one ounce of glycerin; easy peezy!
“I’m not having that kind of problem” 😂😂
You’re pretty clever Ken, I never though of making my own, although I do remember reading years ago of the ingredients. Where did you get the formula, do you think the companies who sell the pre-mixed have any other additional additives?
I may try mixing it up myself next time if glycerin is cheap and easy enough to acquire…although I’m not having that kind of problem 😎. Thanks for watching and letting me know that!👍
@@EpicWoodworking I have no idea if manufacturers have additional additives in their veneer softener. I knew veneer softener was glycerin and water but Greg at Certainly Veneer gave me the ratio. Certainly Veneer and Greg are top-notch to work with. The next time I flatten veneer I'll be sure to hang it up. I pressed the veneer sheets between pieces of cheap particle board (I figured it was absorbant so what the heck!) It took a long time to dry and two applications and pressings to get the veneer semi-flat. I'm going to iron the veneer on in hopes that it will flatten completely that way. Yes, the glycerin is cheap and easy to acquire. I bought a bottle at my local CVS for $5.00 or $6.00 and mixed it up in a spray bottle. Don't let them sell you the suppositories! LOL!
That is a linen tester.
Thanks Ron, but I must confess I’m not sure what you are referring to in your comment…what is a “linen tester?”
@@EpicWoodworking The magnifying glass was used to check the thread count in linen fabrics. It id very old school and there are much better loops made today
Don’t use the eye loop on your planes or you’ll never stop sharpening!
Haha, you are so right…you can definitely get carried away with that thing! 😎👍