Power Over Ethernet (PoE) For Our New ONWOTE 4K Security Camera System
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- Опубліковано 13 лип 2024
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Synopsis:
The new EPRO HQ is definitely in a safer part of town, but we’re not just going to rest on our laurels just yet! In our hour of need, ONWOTE (www.amazon.com/dp/B07ZCLZT8D?...) gave us a security camera system so that we could monitor the warehouse and the parking lot when we’re out.
This also offered us an excellent opportunity to share the process for PoE, or Power Over Ethernet, systems. Given the fact that a video camera system already needs to share information (and a lot of it, at that!) an ethernet wire run is the best option UNLESS we would need to run more wire for power. Thanks to PoE, our Network Video Recorder (NVR) can send power out to the cameras and they can send data back with just one wire run.
While our install will have some commercial add-ons, starting with thousands more feet of Cat5 cable, this should show you what you need to see if you’d like a robust security system at your home. Laced within the technical instruction are recommendations and points of professionalism employed daily by Jefferson Electric masters, journeymen, & apprentices.
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Outline:
0:00 - Introduction
1:25 - Unboxing & Materials
7:32 - Data Hub & NVR Planning
9:20 - Mounting Cameras
10:46 - Wire Runs
15:30 - Water-Sealing Cameras
15:48 - NVR Connections
16:40 - Terminating Cat5 Wire Into Ethernet Connectors
22:21 - Wrap-Up & Personal Impression
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I made about a gazillion old-fashioned 8P8C terminations over the course of 20 years before I discovered pass-through connectors. As the name implies the conductors pass right through the front of the connector housing so you can confirm the wire sequence and pull them tight. Then you use a pass-through crimper to terminate the connector and cut the protruding conductors in one fell swoop. It's faster than the traditional way and results in more consistent connections.
I forget who originated pass-through connectors but lots of outfits offer them now.
You can use most regular 8P8C crimpers as well but then you have to cut the ends with precision flush cutters.
I was going to suggest this exact thing. pass through is the easiest most consistent way to make cables IMO and would highly recommend it to all people who need to make data cables.
The pass through connectors cause problems with 10GB connections and sometimes with POE. I prefer the 2 part connectors that have the comb you slide on first then the connector.
@@dustinlang9278 Right, but he's running Cat 5 so I doubt 10G is on the menu. If I was planning 10G network segments I'd be pulling Cat 6a as a minimum, in which case I'd use field termination plugs and not crimp connectors.
I mean, if it was 10G over very short hops then a high-grade Cat 6 might be okay, but probably not for a facility-wide install.
I've never heard of issues with PoE using pass-through connectors.
@@helmanfrow im with you here, i work for a multi billion dollar global communication company as a network engineer. This is literally what i do most of this time, and we even use the cat6a ez plugs for 10g connections, those eggshell pig tails are crap imo... also we run poe/+/++ through ez connectors no issue all the time. I mostly deal with APs but its the same concept.
The pass-thrus really help old eyes.
I love your electrical videos but wanted to give you a little advice about data. I install a ton of Ubiquiti. Their access points and cameras come with really nice hardware kitting. We just did a job that required us to pull ceiling tiles to run wires in a church in the country converted to a private school, installed several access points with respirators on... years of dust, fiberglass settling and mouse droppings are not meant for your lungs. The hardware kit had wall anchors and screws for the mount, but also came with a metal back plate to support the back side of a ceiling tile and a few inch long 6-32 machine screws and nuts. It was really solid and well done. We tend to not use long patch cables and just run bulk cat 6 where we need with the punch downs. One thing that is invaluable to me that I'd recommend to you to do your terminations is the Klein passthru RJ-45 crimper (VDV226-110). It's got a stripper on it and you won't have to fiddle with the one you have ever again. Klein also makes the open ended connectors. SO much easier and save a lot of time without guessing length and trimming. I also use a Scout 3 pro to id and test my punch downs. This is acceptable because I don't have to certify the data wires I run.
Ubiquiti makes great equipment, but their support is atrocious. We have a UNVR-Pro with 22 cameras that crash almost daily. We have had a ticket open for 6 weeks to no avail. If you are an IT professional, keep in mind when spec'ing a camera system Unifi Protect is not sufficient for medium to large-scale deployments. Their networking gear on the other hand, is great. And nothing beats the Protect UI, though a camera system that regularly crashes is not acceptable... we are $20k+ into the system and are very unsatisfied.
you deff need a patch panel for all the cat5 drops above the NVR it will make it look cleaner
You can buy an rj45 tester, plug it in on both ends and will check every wire if it's correct. Definitely need to check every wire you crimp
The Klein passthrough crimpers have jacket strippers integrated and the color codes listed on the tool.
This tool is amazing, highly recommended... but when i saw him using the cat insert on the coax stripper i nearly had a heart attack. Always use the pull string and electrician sissors/sheers. And yea, pass through / ez connectors are by sure the best.
The twisting improves the signal by using the electromagnetic field the current generates in each line to cancel the other out, forming an EMI shield. On such small lines, it does not take much inductance to interfere, much less what a big, honking live main would do. Even other data lines could induce their signals onto others, thus twisted pairs. Unravel only what you need and nothing more, especially if in an electrically noisy environment.
Recently found your channel, really like it. Unfortunately you need to learn more about ethernet. You need one or two test tools. 1st one, plugs in and tells you, you have the cable terminated correctly. I have this tool at home, has saved me dozensof times. 2nd tool is simular, but you can validate your terminations for speed. As a professional, you need this tool.
Also recommend, adding a grounding/surge protection incase your building gets hit by lightning.
I couldn't imagine not testing my RJ45 connection before sealed it up. Those little plug in fault detectors are great for us that don't do much of this.
Thanks @Roger Whiting! We don't do a ton of datacom, so there's lots for us to learn.
Joel, concerning the monitor for the NVR, I think you need to add that the NVR will also accept VGA input. You can actually use an HDMI and VGA at the same time, an have a monitor in two different locations.
Awesome video! I really enjoyed watching you guys install this. I personally would've put a couple more cameras in but at least you have some. It's absolutely required to have cameras now a days!!! 🙄
Please tell me that was edited out of order and you didn't terminate a live cable that was plugged into the powered-up NVR? Shorting a standard ethernet port is bad enough, but shorting a POE port, even with 802.3af negotiation, is a recipe for an ethernet transceiver missing its' magic smoke...
12:28 Doesn't the wire have a unique batch/lot number printed onto the jacket? You can match the batch number at both ends of the cable to your two boxes if you didn't label it before pulling.
I just crimp since my tester can generate tone. Plug the tester at the remote side, probe for the tone and test that cable and label.
MY I suggest the Klein easy thru rj45 tool and ends. Much easier to pin out.
Brady Labelers are the best!!
Removing ceiling tiles = crud in the eyes. I only ever seem to remember this one after I've started pushing up tiles.
Joel, at 7:38 what's that code violation? Portable cord in a ceiling space? Is that an Easter Egg to see if we are watching?
@@ElectricProAcademy Thanks for your reply Joel, not in Indy but my fire marshal has called it out on previous annual inspections. 2020 NEC 400.12 for additional information. Looking forward to your next video.
Sometimes I put a tiny amount of silicone grease on the the wires before I slide them into the RJ45
As others have mentioned, punchdown keystones should be used with solid (riser) cable.
That said, when you ARE crimping RJ45 connectors onto Ethernet, I'd STRONGLY recommend you spend the couple extra bucks for the tool, and the extra 1/2 cent or so per connector to get passthrough RJ45 connectors. You don't have to cut the wires down to size before crimping them - they poke out the front of the RJ45 connector once you insert them, then you can review the order to make sure one didn't slide into the wrong channel, and then when you crimp it, the tool has a blade at the front that cuts off the excess cable, leaving a perfect RJ45 connection!
Make sure the recorder is bolted down! A smart thief will look for and take it with them.
As mentioned you should really only terminate solid strand wire via punchdowns, either plate or patch panel. Also, I don't know you're particular situation but if that drop ceiling area can be considered plenum space, as it often is in office buildings, you should use CMP (plenum) instead of CMR (riser). More expensive and more annoying to work with but it's a fire rating issue.
And as any telecom tech/engineer will tell you, plenum is also a verb. Used when your coworker yells to you "wait.. stop pulling.. you just got plenumed!" Ofc im joking but for a commercial install you really want cat6 plenum like mentioned in the comment above me :)
I agree and typically terminate via punchdown and pigtail off of that, however I will say that the new Klein RJ45 passthru connectors are designed for both. They accommodate both solid captures and stranded stabs.
Imo, I would rather have less connections between the cameras and NVR. I would not go to a patch panel or punchdown. Less connections= less future problems.
@@travistegland3688 Hi Travis, the reason for the punch-down is actually serviceability. We put those there because plenum and riser-rated cat 6 is solid, and also plenum is super rigid and not fun to work with. Patch cables are stranded and made to repeatedly flex. You're more likely to have a fatigue break from repeated servicing (cameras and other PoE devices fail far more often than wiring...far, far more). Copper work hardens and becomes brittle. You get a really good compromise when you rough out to a punch-down and then pigtail to the device. I have never had a future problem (and I've been around a while) from a properly secured and left alone punch-down. Hopefully this helps and explains some of the rationale.
For untwisting CATX, stick the length of outer jacked onto one of the twisted pairs and shove it down and the pair will easily detwist without flexing the conductor too much.
You need a 10x10' data _room._ 😛With a lock.
I wonder why Canon no longer does security cameras all the ones they have are out of date. should run cat 8 for future proof.
pass thou connections for RJ45 just got them and the tool.. going to add network drops in my house
Good industrial practice Never use RJ45 terminations on trunk runs. Use SOLID CATX Ethernet cable terminated at punch-downs. In general, RJ 45s are made for patch(stranded) cable and solid is made for trunks. It is a pretty simple set of rules that seems to get ignored and bypassed so often. But, those rules have been around ever since CAT5,6,7 or whatever cable has been around. Simple: Trunks terminate to punch downs and patch cables terminate to RJ 45 or something better. RJ45s are not great connectors....don't use them on trunk lines. An electrician should very very rarely need to crimp on an RJ45....just buy the appropriate patch cables in increments of 25' or less and plug them into receptacle. No offense but I think installation in this video is not the best
Yeah, my thoughts exactly. Get a tester, even a cheap one. I'm surprised it's working....😆😅🤣😂
The MPTL for POE security cameras is a common exception. For that, it's fine to terminate with RJ45 at the camera. Going RJ45 to RJ45 is also in the standard as of 2017 as DA or E2E. All considered unstructured though.
@@deadluser Excepted likely because they're not that important...at least for reliability and control(e.g. PLC controllers, drives, whatever). I'm not a networking standards follower. From experience, solid is best for the 'long run' and stranded is great for the local patch. So many times I've seen crappy intermittent connections on long runs when RJ45s were crimped to solid wire(generally they're not meant for that)....Doesn't work? give it a wiggle and it works again...unreliable and a PITA to diagnose. Running stranded the whole way is like wiring an entire building with SO cord. Can that be done within code? Not sure but, it would sure be goofy. Punch downs are cheap and reliable and the electrician need not be concerned with crimping a connector at the end. It seems easier and more reliable to me to just buy pre-made patch cables in bulk and use them.
Do you consider punching onto Keystone or equivalent a good termination for solid UTP?
RJ45s are available for solid wire.
Brother I can work with you, will you help me elder brother, I am from India if I come to you where are you from my brother
Electricians doing data cabling. Total overkill but it will last forever!
A new idea, Dragon's Teeth in front of your door. They stopped tanks in Ukraine they'll stop a car or a truck.
No pricing on their website.... I'll pass
Data cabling is good to work with, no testing required
oh nice i see child labor lol
@@ElectricProAcademy And, possibly, electricians in daddy's footsteps?
After reading the comments you should change the title to " How not to wire your security cameras ". Seriously, people watching this channel see you as an expert electrician but this job is just wrong. Sorry. Did you even use the right ends on your cables ? You didn't inform the viewers there is one for solid wire and a different one for stranded wire.