IT'S HAPPENING! The Truth about Tesla & Boring Co's INSANE Partnership
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The Boring Company's ambitious tunnelling projects will directly increase Tesla's value. Morgan Stanley estimates MASSIVE potential for Tesla as Boring increases its tunnel mileage, yet exponential growth isn't even being factored in. Tesla is the true enabler of the Boring Company and will stand to benefit immensely as both companies grow together. #Tesla #ElonMusk #EndTraffic
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It's not going to be a big thing tbh! A tunnel without emergency exit?! What a joke
@@carholic-sz3qv it has exactly 2 emergency exits at any given point...lol
Another way to look at the offering is, why would cities/counties/states be willing to pay for a solution limited to Tesla vehicles? It only makes sense for Musk because of the cross selling. To be viable, the tunnels should be multimodal, able to transport cars, but also pedestrians in a train/pod like system and freight to dispose of tracks and dangers of trains in urban environments. It still seems to make more sense to move vehicles and pods and freight on ground level platforms powered by electricity.
@@Vic-Bee ground transportation should be only in very densely populated cities to optimise space utilisation and also save a lot on ressources. Bigger vehicles like bus are still needed on the streets for many other areas to deserve, taxis should be just the last mile route for the places that are a little further.
@carholic1336 The US has many spread out urban centers that could benefit from a multimodal tunnel system that can accommodate people cars and freight. In California, for example, the Sacramento/Bay Area/LA/San Diego road corridor is overwhelmed with traffic. A tunnel with a maglev like platform allowing roll on roll off vehicles and pods with mids sections of food and restroom units would work well.
When you compare Boring Co projects with other projects, you miss very important differences including operating safety standards and 'mining' difficulties.
If/when they can bring that tunneling cost by another order of magnitude, they must look into drilling tunnels to move water. If we could transport water from flooding areas in the Mississippi watershed to the SJ/SAC delta in California it would solve so many water issues and ramp up both agricultural production and carbon capture and sequestration. I did some numbers once and found that one boring co tunnel could transport enough water to irrigate an area of 26,000 acres. The westlands in the San Joaquin valley are an area of about 500,000 acres that no longer receive any irrigation water allocation due to drought. If we want to feed a growing world and sequester carbon, we must move water with a low-energy use system. Plants are the engine for capturing and sequestering carbon and water is their fuel.
I wrote an email to boring company about that same idea. There will be some uphill stretches and I suggested Tesla motors to drive pumps with solar panels.
Lol you know the legal red tape that would stop this good idea. States fighting over their water rights is no joke.
Have you been loving under the rocks?! Those sewage and many other TBM sizes already exist, herrenknecht, Hitachi.... have makes all sizes of TBM for different kinds of projects.
Way to save the world dude! All the agriculture out west is going to dry up even more as alpine glaciers which keep the rivers running year round disappear. Water in the great lakes will be the Saudi Arabia of the second half of the 21st century if we can move it to where its needed.
You mean like they are doing in China, India, Africa etc etc. Using TBM tunnels to move water hundreds of miles is a whole industry around the world.
Thank god that they have more 3D renderings to support their empty promises in order to keep the hype train going.
The idea is good, but lawsuits happy states like California won’t allow the Boring Company. There, homeowners think they own all the soil til the Earth’s mantle. So far, only Florida, wants Boring Projects.
California will come around after seeing the economic benefits other states get. Right of way on the surface is completely different than below the surface. You could have a boring machine 15 feet below you and you would be oblivious.
@@shauna996 30 feet below is what Elon says. Yet, lawsuits from home owners were allowed to continue in California, killing the Dodger Stadium and LAX projects. The Ontario Airport might go on, but the politicians wants donations, which killed the Chicago O’hare project. So far only Florida’s politicians not seeking bribe for contracts.
@Shaun A How will they handle the subsidence of CA resulting from pumping of underground water?
I'm pretty sure Las Vegas and Texas aren't in Florida.
And they will all be JELLY as other states get tunnels. Then demand there oun companies figure out how to do same
I've always assumed the boring company wasn't about traffic but about learning about and improving tunneling technology for Mars. Initial colonization of Mars would be so much easier if much of it was underground.
Multi benefit idea like electric vehicles
X D u cray
When you talk about the Las Vegas convention center boring project, why didn't you mention the boring company failed to meet the contractual obligations for the amount of passengers that could transport? Technically it's a failure, they should use buses instead of cars in the tunnels.
The Tunnel roads are designed for Tesla's "From the ground DOWN".
Is this the same technology that slowed a 200 m/day tunneller to a 20 m/day single lane tunneller?
I think they're going to tunnel around the Houston/Dallas/Austin/San Antonio triangle. Teslas in Boring tunnels could easily compete with the short haul flights between those cities. The driving time would be a bit longer than the flight times, but when you eliminate the need to get to the airport, check in, go through security, board the aircraft, then do it all in reverse at the destination, it's a no brainer. Especially when you consider that with the Tesla/Boring solution you get door-to-door service.
Nope
If tickets were $10 you could you could generate $5 million per day...... With a total customer base around 20 million I suppose there just waiting to perfect the tunnelling machine
@@carholic-sz3qv Dallas to Houston in 15 minutes costing $10 yep I agree with that
@@13thbiosphere it can actually cost even less than half, tramways are very easy to automate for example and many other optimisation.
We already do this in Teslas at my company electrip, but I would be happy if Tesla made the tunnels and charged us or even outright displace us
IPO please 😬
Where I live, there's a monorail project that costs billions of dollars and has been in construction since 2011, and still isn't open and is only halfway complete. I wish the boring company was digging a tunnel instead.
The boring company can't compete against the monorail, I bet that monorail project delay is caused by corruption.....
@@carholic-sz3qv Hey there. Could be that. It's also an elevated monorail system so majority of the track is on large concrete pillars that cross over the highway multiple times. Look up Honolulu Rail Transit in Google and you'll see what I'm talking about.
@@randomsonmymind6919 monorail are actually super easy to build, produce all the beams and pillars at the factory and just assemble them on site, no need to dig billions of tons of soil or rock for nothing, the monorail structure can also be used for many other purposes like water pipes, electricity, in fact utilities.
@@randomsonmymind6919 monorail never need batteries and the tram can run for decades directly connected to the grid. No need to mine millions of tons of lithium.
A tunnel would INCREASE the cost, Elom Muck would approve of that.
So what happens when a single vehicle breaks down in the single lane tunnel?
What about emergencies and emergency vehicles?
Elons next venture - Self generating batteries using magnet repell
Thanks for good stuff.
Competition would have a very hard time catching up.
It would suck breaking down in the middle of one of those tunnels.
Great content thank you.
Good stuff! Make more!
Moving heavy freight underground with direct path, non-stop would save massive energy. Unfortunately the current rail system uses inefficient and centuries old routes.
This is the origin story of Dune's sandworms.
They could use sand worms to make the tunnels. Just need to invest in thumpers.
@@billweberx We are Freman!
I am pretty skeptical about the whole concept behind the single car width tunnel with a line of cars in it. Considering a single bus can carry as many passengers as 10 cars and a light rail track can carry up to 20,000 people per hour as compared with 2,000-2,200 vehicles per hour for a single freeway lane, helping move more cars into crowded areas seems pretty pointless. Use these tunnels for electric busses and trains and it would have a far greater effect. Consider if a bus can carry 10 times the people of a single car, the bus can do 1/10 the number of trips and eliminate the need for 9 cars per bus.
You would be right, if the buss only had one stop. But it has 80. Now how fast is it?
Not everyone wants to take a bus
@errrrrrrrrrwhat Roads require throughput, a chokepoint anywhere along the way will slow down everything once the road is packed. I expect Tesla GPS software is excellent at planning trips to avoid choke points or habitually clogged roads.
As David pointed out, buses have to waste time and energy stopping at every stop, regardless of people getting on or off. That drastically slows them down. You can easily test this in real life. Take a bus a minimum of ten stops away and then take an Uber back. That Uber is likely to get you back in far less time, even with traffic.
For a thought experiment, take that single bus and the 10 stops and all the people it carries. Now replace that bus with 10 Ubers only covering those 10 stops and remove all traffic except the Ubers. Those 10 Ubers will be able to move more people than that single bus as they will each be taking people quickly exactly where they need to without wasting time.
As for traffic, there are of course choke points in any system. With vehicles on a single high speed lane, that is typically between 1800-2400 vehicles per hour. You bypass this by making more directions of travel to reduce choke points.
It really doesn't take much to surpass conventional mass transit. The Vegas Loop is planning on a capacity of 57,000 passengers per hour. While this may seem low in comparison to max capacity for subway systems, it's actually enough to surpass most US subway systems and all light rail (tram) systems in the US on a daily average with less than 4 hours near max capacity. Again, daily averages for massive subway systems surpassed in 4 hours on a system that's being built for free. That's a huge benefit to transit.
@errrrrrrrrrwhat Why are highways 4 and 6 lanes if it does not move more traffic? Logic fail.
honestly I think what we will see is more Train lines and a increase in people using public transport rather then vehicles.
What happens if one of the EVs malfunction in the tunnel? Certainly, there is a way to have each vehicle entering the tunnel networked with all the other vehicles in the tunnel to communicate any issue, but judging by the size of the tunnel in LV there isn't enough space to move the vehicle to the side. There isn't a curb. The traffic will have to clear ahead of the stopped traffic for a tow vehicle to remove it. Additionally if a vehicle battery pack were to explode or ignite in the tunnel, then that creates all sorts of problems such as noxious fumes. Lastly, each vehicle before it's allowed to enter the tunnel will have to confirm that it has enough charge to make it through the end of the tunnel. That should be easily done, and a diagnostic could also be ran and communicated with the tunnel admission system before entry is allowed.
What would happen in any tunnel? Tow truck coming from the nearest station. First it will be an extremely rare incident and second, the "vehicle rescue" time will be minimal. All the rest of your concerns have already been "thought" to death by the engineers involved in the designs and construction and then all the safety/permit engineers that must approve this kind of stuff.
@@billjohnson3022 Thanks for responding, but you didn't actually answer my questions. You merely said there were answers. I know there are answers. These sorts of projects aren't done on a whim. I asked for answers, not assurances that there are answers.
@@HaroldCrews The reason I didn't give any specific answers is because there are too many needed to put down here. The only real answer that I think is needed is that they will all be fairly minor and easily dealt with, sort of like a flat tire. I mean what assurance do we have that at any given moment one of the bridges we are crossing might collapse? Or one of the transport trucks hauling nuclear waste doesn't tip over and cause a national disaster? We put our best minds on it, have a legal system that just loves to sue the crap out of faulty systems so we just trust them....or not!
@Harold Clews One way to handle car failures is to not allow one car to proceed alone. If several cars were coupled to each other to form a train, the failure of one car would be negligible on the train. A fire on the other hand would be a big problem (unless you cold-heartedly seal each car, and if there is a fire, too bad for you if it's your car).
@@HaroldCrews you won't get an answer some people just refuse to accept the massive flaws in most of elons ideas. The thing is we already have trains that work underground that pull power straight from the grid so no need for a battery that are a major liability underground but also bloody expensive. Also 44,000 an hour is rookie numbers for most underground trains but soem people just want to shill for elon because heh he posts memes and smokes weed
Tunnels don’t fix anything. Induced demand will fill them quickly and just move low volume cars around. Tunnels for traffic are stupid. Look at the “loop” in Vegas. It is a vanity project with slow loving cars.
This idea will be perfect for Amazon‼🤔🤔🤔
4400 per day?!? there are trains and subways that can to double to ten times that number in a day.
what would the response time for emergency be like in a tunnel that their vehicles can't go into. would need tesla paramedic/fire/police. would probably need access tunnels quite frequently, especially if the tunnels are deep underground.
And like the guy says himself in the video, normal tunells are atleast 12 feet wide so emergancy personal could pass. Elon just made the next mont blanc. I hope everyone survives when one of his nutoriously conbustable cars decides to burn in the tunnel and there is no extra lane for emergancy, or exit ramps for passangers. It is a death trap. We have learned nothing since 1999 apparently.
@@Offkek I know the size is there for vehicles in these smaller tunnels, but they said combustion engines can't use them because of ventilation, that's what the bigger tunnels are for. So that means all emergency vehicles would need to be electric/tesla aswell.
@@trushbetold dude electric or not when there is a car infront of you how do you get past it?
I know! Have emergency tunnel machines!
@@h4xorzist the smaller tunnels still have room for 2 vehicles, the bigger size was needed for ventilation
Dangerous. It's too easy to loose it, and EV fires and explosions, and earth quakes etc. There are reasons why normal tunnels are so much and wide.
No, normal tunnel width is more about airflow and exhaust removal over all else. Fires can be put out by fire suppression systems built onto the walls and triggered either by sensors or manually. Plus there's almost always a service tunnel between directions of travel for emergency services to get to where the action is. There are also rarely ever ANY explosions in tunnels because hazardous loads are PROHIBITED in tunnels.
And if you don't think they're going to engineer tunnels to withstand earthquakes in an earthquake zone AND close them when signs point to a large quake, you're insane. Those kinds of geological studies are done years before the first shovel hits the dirt.
And as EVs mature, the risk of fire also decreases because people figure out the flaws and fix them. You can't judge today's Tesla against yesterday's Tesla unless it IS yesterday's Tesla and hasn't been refitted.
@@phydeux it's. It going be that simple. This is not the first naive thing done. The fantasy about EV's, is that they need to change battery technology to get rid of it, otherwise fire suppression is going be very difficult. Lithium reacts to water, you are not going be able to starve the fire either. In case of emergency you need to flee the vehicle. Incase of earthquake, your steering system is likely not to be able to control the the vehicle is the confined place resulting in accidents and trapped people. Earth quakes that can cut a freeway in two. How does your tunnel fair? If it buckles the cars may not get through, and people be trapped under to get pit of doors sure to the clearances. A fire spreads the choke hazard. The lithium batteries are hazardous goods, so is fuel. A crash can result in fire and explosions. Have you seen a line up of parked cars catch a light one by one, exploding?
@@Waynesification - You're still thinking inside of a box. They make lithium fire blankets that can contain the fire until enough water can be brought in to douse it.
On top of that, there are several emerging battery compositions that may readily replace lithium. You have to look towards tomorrow while dealing with the limitations of today. But never forget those limitations can be surmounted.
In the case of a quake capable of splitting a highway they're going to know about it at least a few hours in advance. Certainly long enough to shut down and clear the tunnels. Also it's "fare", not "fair" in that usage.
And you seem to forget that these cars will be under autonomous control in these tunnels AND capable of communicating with one another. Did you ever stop to think that a car that detects (and yes, this is possible) a runaway battery could stop itself and warn all traffic in both directions?
The compromised vehicle could stop and warn traffic before the battery could even rupture. And the riders could be out seconds later. Then the car could shut down.
And yes, I'm aware lithium is a DOT regulated product, as are gasoline and diesel. I've been a DOT certified shipper for over 10 years. However, it's only regulated in sufficient quantities in tunnels.
And seeing as these tunnels would be for battery powered vehicles ONLY, you might think that some safety engineers might consider this and add in things like drop doors, boxes with blankets in them, and various other safety considerations.
You're thinking at the lowest possible level of thought. Try thinking of what OTHER people might envision to make these projects safe.
@@phydeux Jonathan, you are thinking likens fan, a worse firm of group think. Thinking up excuses is not the same as proper design.
There is not enough room in the tunnel for quick access and to quickly out a cure blanket on, or get enough water too, which lithium reacts too. We get a doubling down on lithium.
We know there are replacement battery technologies coming, but even the ones here aren't being used. They are still on highest performance lithium.
It's "fair" not fare. Look it up.
There are lots of tenors etc in the region, to lock down a system because of. So, you are saying they can forecast serious quakes. Can they always do this?
Again autonomous control is a safety issue here, which the user will have to maintain (which users are nut good at keeping up with). A standard communicating such danger between the different car brands will take time. The rush rush of business tends to be the issue in preparations. But again, the tunnels are not big enough, and toxic fumes, starvation of oxygen, hopefully not burning along the tunnel walls. There will be not enough room to get out of all cars let alone apply a fire blanket across it. The actual cost of a water based fire suppression system with outlets every metre is going be enormous, and s malfunction nor just the use of it, can drown the occupant's. They need to increase their clearances, increase driving platform height, run the fire suppression system under or over the road to reduce costs, which means a bit bigger tunnel. Then people can open their doors more fully. That's responsible design. This is just another nice tech demo.
You fail to realise the regulations of hazardous materials is fur regular sized tunnels. They would have to upgrade here, and even in regular tunnels, an EV us still too much of a hazard. The with decrease in square of distance the requirements should be exponentially higher. Regulators and government often have problems keeping up regulations before a tradgedy makes them wake up, by then their might be so much money in tunnels, they may or want to legislate resulting in them being closed down, even, permanently.
The existing proposal, we are talking about maybe an extra two tunnels per tunnel, worth of space to accommodate all the safety items with emergency vehicle tunnels. Was that in the proposal? Was there enough room for boxes, if you build the boxes into the wall you compromise wall integrity, as well as putting access doors. Drop doors, if you mean down below the road surface, where do you think the water is going to try to go. I would design around this, but just the wrong circumstances.. a lot of people are not good enough to move up or down, only horizontally. Plus there is insufficient room around the cars again to do safely, let alone in a panic, with people trapped between cars and wall, that nobody can help get up, being trampled, with more and more people falling over. The young can just climb accross the top of the car. Ever hear about what people do in theatre fires? Eve. If you had automatic fire blanket system, they have to over different sized cars, and further trap people inside, as the car burns. There quickly would not be a company when things go really wrong. By naming the system automatically keep navigation, the car makers are now makers are now legally liable for the operational results of their systems, plus, as it is a collaborative effort, all parties maybe deemed responsible all as a whole. The way you design that, is a government mandated system, to break the direct legal collaboration between the parties. The industry, and companies may negotiate and work in the system with the government, but the government takes on the legal responsibility of standard of implementation, meaning manufactures only have to confirm to that standard, to be liable for their own products only.
There are reasons for bigger tunnels. If there is not enough room to fully open doors and run around vehicles, and to have side safety access tunnels, then it's too small. Bigger tunnel, infrastructure top bottom, fire walls one or two sides for people to flee in and bypass wreckage, forming a box section for cars are a minimum. But, here is another thought worth costing to see how it stacks up. Multiple level tunnels, where one or two lanes of traffic top and bottom, the boxed off side sections become bigger, and can be more structurally supportive. If dual lane, then a centre column is more supportive. Not without its own issues, but worth looking at how much it would cost per safety level compared to the single tunnel concept! Cars should be made to crawl through and out the opposite side.
The solutions aren't in wishful thinking, they are in meeting all the problems.
I'm not thinking at the lowest lev of thought. I am thinking well ahead. Leave the designing to us.
Now, the problem of toxic fumes, oxygen starvation and water danger, extends out the tunnel to the cue. It all requires a lot more engineering and costs. Then, I still would think it looks to small.
Thunderfoot would be sweating beads of rage over this video.
I expect Elon to link the new steel plant to the Tesla factory in Austin so that all the materials can be shipped to the factory on a completely automated system, eliminating drivers, insurance, and avoiding traffic.
Lol......
thats not even remotely likely, teslas self driving feature has killed people and tesla did a mini press release, in 2019, i think, in which it states, the self driving feature is a driver assist feature and should never be used to drive the car with out a driver. so its pretty clear, self driving isnt going to be a thing.
@@williammcneil2045 Tesla vehicles are the safest vehicles on the road today, and every Tesla owner knows that they must keep control of their vehicle. It isn't farking auto-pilot. EVERYONE knows these are beta-versions and that full self-driving has not yet been perfected.
@@340wbymag weird, on teslas website, they call this thing a self driving feature not a driver assist. ah yes, tesla is so very safe, did you see the video in which, the fire department has to put out an electric car fire?
@@williammcneil2045 Yes, they call it a self-driving feature, but they also tell everyone the system is not perfected yet, and that the driver must remain in control of the vehicle. As to fires, you are many times more likely to have a fire in a gas-powered vehicle. Battery fires are a small worry. Face it... You are just biased against Tesla, and probably against Musk too.
I'm surprised they don't put a simple, low profile central rail in the tunnels, and create an interface for vehicles to use it. Such a rail could be physically coded for turns, acceleration and deceleration, and would be inexpensive. This would fill the gap until the error rate in autonomy dropped below 0.01%
tesla cars can erasily drive in that tunnel its really easy for it to understand where to go. but if you have regular car it would be kinda hard to drive such a narrow tunnel for long distance
@@lencas112 but they need a Driver to operate right now..
And construction won't devastate commerce on the surface. The Big Dig. Many shops went out of business. Need I say more?
Huge boon for inner city commercial logistics (Ford Maverick) plus for the Tesla Semi as well as there will simply be far fewer vehicles in peoples' driveways and on the highway period...plus use with some type of "scheduling app" and the need for City Buses in major urban centers save for New York City will simply collapse. Cannot overstate enough how this *as a business* will create and entirely new if as extant US economy as the Interstate Highway System and US National Grid has already created the rights of way.
More to the point there are actual mining applications for this technology as well...applications that could dramatically decrease costs and increase output of underground product most importantly as stated here being building material for foundations of homes and services. Definitely *space age upon this Earth.*
the tesla semi does not exist. so far elen musks projects have cost a ton of money with little if any returns.
The tunnels are a unique operating environment where full self driving can be used before it is authorized for use on normal roads. There are no pedestrians or cross-traffic to hit and if the tunnel is privately owned, no regulations.
yet they have drivers in the Las Vegas Loop
They would need to ensure the tunnel is big enough for two cars. Or one crash and everyone in that tunnel dies.
What a great idea. Single lane tunnels without a service lane you could pull off to. I'm sure no vehicles will be stuck in them at all.
Because Tesla cars never break down, and they never end up pointed in even a slightly different direction than the road axis after a collision, and even if the Tesla involved in that collision had been zipping along at the 150 mph claimed speed for the longer stretches of the LV Loop, it will never cause the battery pack to rupture or catch fire, but even if that happens, every occupant of a Tesla-Taxicab-in-a-tunnel will always be able to self-evacuate by breaking out the side glass and crawling to the nearest exit that's over a hundred yard away, even if they were injured in the 150mph collision and the ruptured battery pack is filling the cabin & immediate vicinity with toxic fumes.
All cars drive through a tunnel and continue on to your destination. Another way to describe a Boring tunnel is that it requires Teslas (or at least an EV) so this is not a sales point IMO.
Huge sales point for Tesla! They can use the tunnels to sell Tesla's. How many ICE owners do you know who have ever sat in a Tesla?
I took a friend who has a Maserati to test drive a performance Model Y. He was humbled.
Not a sales point? I am sorry, if you could avoid 2 hours of traffic every day by owning a Tesla, would you buy one?
@@richardhamilton-gibbs6360 I said driving through a tunnel and then home is not a sales point for Tesla. A selling point is a feature better than it's competition.
@@davidbeppler3032 I said driving through a tunnel and continuing home is not a sales point because any car does that. Saving 2 hrs *could* be a selling point in the right circumstances. Would I buy a $50K EV just to take the Boring Tunnel if an HOV open to all cars would save the same time? Maybe if I was in the market for a new car anyway but no if I was not.
@@per619 It's an introduction. People who are curious, or who have never seen a Tesla, may feel intrigued enough to visit a showroom and go for a test drive. Have you ever done a startup and developed a national marketing plan that worked? I have. And I can tell you that a product demonstration where users get their hands on the product are far more effective than print advertising. I've done both, and won awards for the print advertising as well. Lol.
We have the historical railroad technology to use as a standard guide for application and development.
Great video! 👍🏻
The future for Tesla is mindboggling.
In a boring Tunnel, FSD could be activated, since it is a 'private' road.
Temperature could be optimal for Tesla's, reducing load on heatpump (like is the case in tunnels in Norway).
Passengers could watch movies while traveling through tunnels.
And tunnels are faster and safer than highways.
the age of the muscle car is coming to an end.
There are several inaccuracies on this video. It seems too good to be real, what happens when accidents occur in the tunnels? How do they remove the vehicle if there is only one lane for instance? Moreover, there is no way those tunnels are capable of withstand vacuum by default. And so on.
Pretty obviously, it doesn't matter how fast cars travel in the tunnel, because when they want to get out, the elevator is moving at a fraction of that speed (as their own PR video shows lol). That doesn't matter much in the PR BS video with 2 cars, but if the tunnel reached anywhere near capacity, the end of a journey would involve a long wait for an elevator ( and so of course would the start) . This is really only scratching the surface of the stupidity of this idea, which really is based on a misunderstanding and ignorance of transport. It won't survive contact with reality.
Because of the singularity I believe 18 hundred miles is a conservative estimate. We're at the precipice of a technology singularity & exponential growth is inevitable
How about complete cities underground for our servival then try to find something in space.
Bloody awesome bro!!! Really fabulous
And you don’t have to deal with Frost and another thing is you could put chimney and put turbines on them and would help vent
Wow! I hope I live long enough to see this come to fruition.
Expanding our traffic and maybe what's above ground to go underground will massively fix the hunger for space.
having underground tunnels will solve people wanting to go into space ? can you be more clear plz, this doesnt make sense.
@@williammcneil2045 sorry what i meant was that what is on the surface of earth to expand down underground so people dont have to take so much land from the wild. And to expand on what i said this will also maybe find more natural recourses to feed the economies unger for goods and also the expantion to the underground will make for more safer living space for people.
question: if a car in a tunnel has battery prob or crash isnt that a major flaw with concept ? could be nasty fire - jus sayin
The Jetsons underground
I wonder what's the speed limit for cars in the tunnel?
He should put all the dirt through a wash plant. I bet any money there's a ton of gold in it.
It may be to soon to call a tunnel earthquake and weather proof.
You first need a decently performant earthquake and flood to test it.
No. We have tunnels. Have had for hundreds of years. They are earthquake and weather proof. That is a fact.
They need to find a way for the Teslas to drive through Boring Co. tunnels using FSD.
They already have it. It's just waiting for the gov to sign off on it.
@@saff226 So does everyone else. its called moving block technology. it has be used in driverless metro systems for decades. The driverless technology is far simpler than FSD for a car on the surface in traffic with human idiots at the wheel. Governments around the world, including the US have signed off on it repeatedly. I don't understand why TBC don't use it and get their LVCC loop cars running without drivers (maybe because its not their own technology). But they need to stop blaming regulators.
@@tunnellingsalisbury7605 The Regulators will not allow it. Who do you blame?
@@davidbeppler3032 If you have a product that can't meet current legislation you have a choice. Change your product until it does, get the regulations changed, or use a different product that does meet the regulations. It's not the fault of the regulation.
It appears to me that for operating vehicles in tunnels, where all the vehicles are the same, full FSD software that they install in a Tesla is not required, because all the vehicles are on the same network and talking to each other.
That is how moving block technology works on hundreds of modern transport systems around the world. Some are simple and some are complex, but the technology has an extemporary safety record.
It would not work at the surface on roads as there are multiple external factors not in the system. So FSD is over engineered for the use in tunnels.
I don't look to blame, I try to offer robust solutions.
The swiss should be able to build something similar, + there century of experience digging through mountains.
No comment on if only elect veh can use tunnels or how to get broken down veh out since tun is so small??
It seems extraordinarily stupid to run cars in these tunnels instead of trains. At 20x the capacity and 1/3rd maintenance costs, much higher safety and easy track automation compared to using cars in that tunnel, it seems like a no brainer.
The cars are just a start, makes more sense when you start running robotaxi vans of people.
The problem with trains is that they don't get you to the destination. You can't take your car with you on a train. Trains also operate at limited intervals.
@@rtyzxc where do you live? I use a car maybe once every 4 months. Trains go everywhere, trams to specific areas, busses to everywhere else. I never have to worry about intervals, trams come up every 3-5 minutes, trains even to far away towns and cities every 20~ mins
@@rtyzxc and my bike the rest of the time. Driving seems like such a chore. Being on comfortable public transport or cycling in great cycle infrastructure changes so much. Leaves you free to do so much more with your time, even if it's sleeping
While I'm skeptical on the usefulness of the underground roads, having this equipment could potentially lead to cheaper public transit development. Plus, who doesn't love a giant machine that just shreds through dirt
TBM have existed for decades and they're expensive, rather than cut and cover.
Jep musk is kind of an idiot but he gets the funds and employs great people so just maybe he will actually improve boring tunnels and all this cringe will just have to be burried at some later point :P
@@h4xorzist or he will give up and leave the mess for some one else to clean up. like with his other failed projects.
Wait for the announcement of a new giga factory being built to build Boring Machines. This is going to be nuts.
Yes. They are amazing places. I have had the privilege of visiting such factories in the US, Germany and China. They also have the advantage of actually existing and have been producing these fantastic machines for decades.
Oh! and none of them run on diesel.
We can't get high-speed rail in the BosNYWash corridor due to too many twists and turns in densely settled areas. The Boring Company could tunnel underneath these areas and reduce travel times while breathing new life into the underground economy.
oh yes they, the boring company could do that, oh wait no, no it could not. just building the las vegas tunnel took them 18 months for a tunnel that isnt even 2 miles long. so for just a tunnel that was 10 miles it would take them longer than 10 years.
another thing we should probably do is just have less roads. If you've ever been to Europe, their buildings are very close together with no parking lots in their inner city areas because they were built before cars. It makes for denser, more walkable cities that don't suffer from urban sprawl as much as american cities. Cars are also pretty damn expensive and a pain since they are so necessary to have. It would also help improve American health, since just a short walk daily does wonders for your body. Im not saying we need to get rid of cars, just rework and rethink transportation within our inner city areas and central business districts. We'd probably also use the subway more, and ride bikes more.
This video should run for Gongress.
How about Los Angeles to San Francisco with stations inbetween?
The future could be good
Why doesn't Elon use the Subway boring machines ?
They dig, they move the material backwards, they insert concrete tunnel liners, and you can have whatever diameter you want.
He may have to amend the Subway Code, (NFPA 130), for escape in case of emergency !
But it looks like a nice idea !
They are subway boring machines, just a bit smaller than average (15ft diameter instead of 21ft). otherwise they are the same in their functionality.
Are there any tunnels other than the Vegas tunnels that anyone can ride through or is this still a future thing?
Thousands of tunnels. All across the world. Look it up.
Yeah, its all good on the corporate side. Sadly these projects carry a huge environmental and social impact. These are tunnels made specifically to serve only the high-income layer of an area, plus require the use of individual cars that can only transport a small amount of people per day.
While its a lot cheaper to build, its a lot less effective in the environmental, and logistic side of a mass transport system. A regular subway system is by far more effective in operation. And yes, it can be easily upgraded and expanded, as it had been done around Europe and Asia.
The perfect analogue to this would be a company developing a regular luxury incandescent light bulb, when there are led bulbs in the market.....
You've got to think outside the box. People have long claimed "space exploration doesn't help the common man". But that's because they don't see the knock-on effects of developing things like Velcro, better gaseous containment tanks, better valve technology, better metal composites, carbon fiber, better computers, etc...
And yes, many technologies DO go to the rich first, because they have the money to fund further research and development. Take cars and computers for example. In the 1970s and 80s only those with a chunk of money to spare could afford ANY computer. Today, anyone can buy a computer, even if it's just a phone. Even in the third world. And cars, well... when they first came out only the rich could afford them. And we see today how ubiquitous they are.
Don't think of the rich ONLY as spoiled brats (sure, some of them are), instead think of them as those with the disposable income to sink into grand projects that pave the way to future prosperity for everyone. If it weren't for those rich people buying cars, improving them, and making them commonplace, we wouldn't have interstate highways to get you anywhere you need to go.
@@phydeux You missed completely the point of my comment.
We are not talking about new technologies here, but about inefficient, environmentally unfriendly ones that are being developed because of their monopolistic potential.
You remember fuel engines and oil? And how they not only threw humanity into its worst environmental crisis ever, but also aggressively stopped any development of alternative technologies just to keep the monopoly of energy production and usage for a century.
You know highways are a huge problem right now don't you? A problem that wouldn't existed if public transportation was developed as it should, instead of the corruption clusterfuck that car and oil producers created by systematically destroying its infrastructure?
@@eXWoLL - Wow, aren't you the environmental extremist!
First lesson, it's largely not our fault. Solar events, tides, and the natural changes of the Earth have far more environmental impact than we're even remotely capable of. The fossil record shows this.
The problem is, we're in the moment and most people don't have the patience or perspective to look at it objectively.
There is no thermostat.
We can't keep the weather how we like it.
Antarctica used to have grassy fields and fresh water lakes (they're under all that ice).
And ice at the poles only occur during ice ages, which we're at the tail end of.
There are also far more trees in the US than when the Mayflower landed. We let more and more crop land go back to nature each year. And you have the environmentalists of the 1960's to thank for Monsanto and GMO seeds that allow us to grow more with less water, space, fertilizer, and pest control. Same for plastic grocery bags and bottles.
And public transport isn't the be-all and end-all you might think it is. Sure, it may work in small and densely populated places like Singapore, London, Japan, or South Korea. But it doesn't make any sense between Bozeman, Montana and Bismark, North Dakota.
I've been alive long enough to see the dramatic changes brought about by the EPA, catalytic converters, and low-sulphur diesel. But people like you are NEVER satisfied. Just look at the air quality change since 1980! Getting rid of leaded fuel and paint have been a godsend.
www dot epa dot gov/air-trends/air-quality-national-summary
Innovation has been moving steadily forward. Maybe not at the pace YOU want, but it is noticeable. I no longer care if I leave a light on all day when I'm at work because it's LED and hardly uses any power. My washing machine uses a fraction of the water the one my dad used when I was a kid. Whole home furnaces are now the size of a two drawer filing cabinet rather than being 3' x 10' and taking up a quarter of your basement. Or worse, a coal burner.
Things can always be better. But don't blind yourself to the progress that's already been made.
@@phydeux What's an "environmental extremist"? I'm just an informed citizen that cares about his kids.
Which seems that you are not, and only care about whatever things you believe to be truth, or are interested in them to be truth....
And that's a really shameful side to be.
@@eXWoLL - Don't think that I don't care. I simply realized long ago that humanity doesn't have the power to fundamentally shift the Earth's cycles short of all-out nuclear war.
Even the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki had negligible effects the environment in the long run.
The problem here is that you see the "truth" from a human-centric point of view. I look at it from an astronomical point of view. And we are such tiny creatures in the face of 4.5 billion years of planetary development and gravitational forces.
We may bruise this planet a bit, but it will quickly heal.
Remember the "global cooling" fears of 1977 because of fossil fuel use? It turned around a few years later.
Remember the hole in the ozone layer everyone was frantic about in the 80's? It resolved itself before we could even ban CFCs.
Remember "global warming"? Oh, right... which time? That scare tactic goes back to Arrhenius in 1896. And it was recycled in 1907, and again, and again, and again.... until Al Gore's hockey stick broke. Then people again realized that we can't predict global warming.
So they rebranded it as "climate change". And those of us who don't succumb to the fearmongering are treated like apostates for simply looking at the long history of Earth and seeing that the temperatures vary, the Sahara was once an ocean, and Antarctica was once temperate.
I'm not uncaring, I'm a pragmatist who understands his very tiny place in the universe.
The tunnel could just be great for building subways. Even if a new train and track design has to be made to fit in the tunnel. Two tunnels would have to be made one for going one way and one for going the other. Even with two tunnels it is far cheaper than tunnels made now. I wish the would just put the current tech in use now rather than in 2050 and start making change and profits on it.
What if a car runs out of juice, breaks down,emergency or fire???
did you get any info that was not from the boring company ?
Using existing 20 multimodal TBM it is possible to drive a 12m diameter single tunnel from Sydney to Melbourne in 5 years costing A$60b.
Earning A$20,000,000 with overnight container trains it could save 5,000,000 tonnes of jet fuel and reduce the 700,000 trucks on the Hume per year.
hyperloop is a more expensive version of maglev
What happens when they have a break down?
Amazing
Oh, SpaceX and Boring have one big phallic shaped thing in common. And they both are efficient at coming and going quickly 😁
where doea all the dirt go to ?
So what happwns when you tunnek a city with many routes then developers want to build over it? High rise buildings have to drill down to bedrock to support shyscapers.
If a long winter blackout occurs in a land of electric cars most of the population will
perish in the freezing cold. The gas powered car that would provide cabin heat for
many days will not be there. The electric car could only supply heat for a short time
and would quickly discharge its battery making a trip to a shelter impossible.
Please read the book "Blackout" by Marc Elsberg. And stop commenting until you have.
Great video but you forgot to include mining, and Mars...
Yeah you're right. Always room for another video!
Nothing gets "simpler and simpler"
...shudders... 😏
It gets, more and more simple!
Not “Pressurized” tunnels.” It has to be “Vaccumized.” Tunnels. Just sayin’ . 🇩🇰🙋🏻♂️🪐👩🏻🚀🇺🇸
Limiting tunnel usage to Teslas with FSD is all well and good but they are single lane tunnels. What happens if someone has a blowout at 100 mph? Since you are postulating access for publicly owned vehicles which may not be maintained with the highest standards breakdowns within a tunnel wold be a common (and dangerous), occurrence.
What happens on the highway when you have a blowout at 100mph? First you crash, into other people. Second other people crash into you. Third you block several lanes of traffic. Fourth you probably die.
In a tunnel, first you crash, without harming anyone else. Second nobody hits you. Third you block one lane of traffic. Fourth you are probably ok.
Are you asking how do emergency vehicles get to you? Easy, they drive. A Tesla in FSD can reverse at 100mph so the emergency vehicles can come from both sides. Not very complicated and far safer than highways.
Feel free to ask more questions or disagree with this. I am interested in what you thought would happen.
@@davidbeppler3032 OK. First it was mostly a rhetorical question but I did have a mental image of the result. Yes, you block one lane of traffic - THE ONLY LANE! In a Tesla you would probably survive - side strikes only (no head on obstacles), and the Tesla is known for its survivability. But what if it catches fire? Assuming Autopilot is fast enough to stop, no chain reaction pileups occur but that is not guaranteed. In either case, it does result in a long line of stopped vehicles blocking any access from the rear. Since the tunnel is single lane only, emergency vehicles could only approach from the front - probably an ambulance first, then police. Then all have to egress in order for a tow truck to enter. Can a tow truck even get in? IIRC, most tow trucks have a crane arm that extends quite high. Also, it will be quite a while before tow trucks are electrified. so ventilation would be a problem. In fact, without a steady stream of moving vehicles pushing fresh air through the tunnel, how long before a solid line of people use up the available oxygen or over saturate with CO2? Communication: Depending on depth cell phones probably won't work to even notify authorities of an accident or for paramedics to talk to doctors.
It sounds like you have never driven a rear-steer vehicle. It is very different from driving a car forward. Autopilot and FSD are not designed nor trained for high speed reverse motion. First, the camber of the wheels is all wrong and results in a dynamically unstable condition. Going forward, the camber on the front wheels of a car forces it to go straight. Going backwards, the camber will send the front end of the car sideways - violently!
When I asked the question, I was mostly thinking of the long line of blocked traffic in a strictly single lane tunnel. Since you asked and more thought, there are a plethora of problems and dangers that come to mind. And, I suspect, I have only scratched the surface. Opening a tunnel to any EV introduces an order of magnitude of new problems. How long before some idiot tries to drive a big van into the tunnel?
One way to mitigate the problem is to always build tunnels in pairs with inter-tunnel access ports every so often. That would help but not solve all the problems.
@@davidbeppler3032 What really happens when you have a blow out on the highway: You pull over, change the tire, continue driving....
@@GntlTch I love how in your example the car explodes like an ICE vehicle in accidents. You are right. No ICE in the tunnels. That would be dangerous.
@@creamofbotulismsoup9900 Same thing happens in the tunnel. You stop, the car is collected, you change cars and continue your journey, the tire is repaired and the car is put back in operation.
At twice the width, the tunnel is too narrow for the Karen's of the road.
I think smartest thing every herd you would have frost would have animals worry about getting hit wouldn’t have to worry about icy roads wouldn’t have to worry about weather in the long run I think it be cheaper than roads no salting no snow plowing
Isaak Asimov wrote 80 years ago about planet Trantor, center of Galactic Empire with several million planets, that is bored our entirely. It had 800 sectors and total population of 40 billion people. 99% of it's surface was encased in concrete domes and buildings went bellow the earth for several hundred levels. Sectors were interconnected with network of tunnels for single cars, although flying/antigravity ones if I recall correctly.
So, maybe he read Asimov and got idea there?
What if a whole bunch of Tesla cars were linked together like a train?
Elon?
There are certainly many places where the boring company would make projects more doable, if it weren't for politics. I give you the light rail system LA to SF! I rode high speed rail from Tokyo to Kyoto in 1964! 58 years ago!!
we can possibly have tunnels on mars!!
Need wider tunnel. Goverment should take some of that war money and put it into these boring companies. Need to make larger tunnels to bring in electric trains to move merchandise to main distribution warehouses. Also for mass transit. People are going to have to start building under ground soon here on Eath. That would also free up land area more for agriculture.
Boring bricks - if they sold like Tesla Tequila tunnels would be free! I think tunnels are a great idea and will be especially useful on Mars. The boring company has a new factory down near Austin Tx.. Jeff Roberts was flying over/driving by.
My dog does tunnels for less than $10 million per mile.
Do you have any info on boring bricks? Are they still a thing? Didn't hear about them since forever.
Dropped as the stupid idea they were. Bricks, concrete, as with all building materials have a tight specification on their base materials, not just whatever you dig out of the ground. It was giga bull***t at its best.
Can it Build Moon Base Alpha Omega?
Yes
Elon, why not also be able to charge the car in the tunnel while being transported if the driver wishes to kill two birds with one stone??? Sort of like how cell phones use chargers when placed on or near the charger.
This is yet another area where Elon will not face any serious competition. Can’t wait to see the Vegas tunnel expansion completed.
Lol....... a tunnel without emergency exit?! Good thing is that it will never made it to Europe which already has the most advanced public transport systems in the world.
Totally agree... no viable construction company is this stupid. But clearly some politicians are.
@@carholic-sz3qv Ok ignoramus there are emergencies exits and procedures for the Boring Company tunnels.
@@tunnellingsalisbury7605 Ok ignoramus there are emergencies exits and procedures for the Boring Company tunnels. Change your name to Elmer FUD already it would suit you better.
@@Barskor1 where?!? Can you show me?! They never mentioned anything about it not even showed signalisations or whatever, look at normal tunnels and you'll see anything from first aid kits to sprinkle for fire suppression to fireproof doors.....
That's cool and all but driving alone underground still sounds scary as sheet. Whats wrong with elevated rail? Does it have to be underground?
Why build tunneling machines? Keep it all
That is what I call a boring trip.
Can you drive any type vehicle in the tunnel in Vegas such as gas or diesel engines?
No. You cannot drive any private vehicle in the Vegas tunnels. It's entirely mass transit using Tesla vehicles instead of buses or trains. They also couldn't use any ice vehicle in place of the Teslas as the tunnels are too small for the ventilation requirements for combustion vehicle tunnels (pockets of exhaust are a big danger with normal tunnels). They could replace the Teslas with other EVs, but that would be dependent on the self driving software.
@@anthonypelchat - Thank you.