LIVE:What's wrong with "Them"? Minding what we watch, think, and hear
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2024
- Join Wellness Wednesday tonight with Dr. Joy and Bahia for a discussion on trauma porn, Blacksploitation, and cinema induced injury.
When does Art become violence?
What is our responsibility as creators, consumers and activists?
Who is accountable for mental and emotional harm caused by films?
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I’m up until 2:42 am Tuesday 09-24-2024) can’t stop listening to these beautiful Humanitarian .. God sent you my dear. 🙌🙌🙌🙌
I'm so glad that both of you Brilliant Goddess are here to help us understand Them, thank you so much
Thank you sisters.
Dr joy is in my top 10 most favorite people in the world ...peace and Blessings. Dr joy. ✌
It’s not about being right or wrong but present, honest and sincere 😩😩😩😩🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I appreciate this conversation so much. Glad you spoke to Black British actors portraying American Descendants of Slaves, which isn't okay. Especially content that we don't even appreciate as a Black community. Great show this week.
Another great dialogue. Mind food. You are both naturally gifted. Thank you for choosing to share.
Love y'all! I wish all our Black young people could hear what you're sharing..
I only needed to see 10 seconds of the trailer for the movie "Them" and knew that was nothing that I wanted to see. When a movie production company has little to no diversity seated at the decision-making table, you get mess like this.
I agree. I couldn't watch that movie either. I turned it off after the first 30 minutes, and never went back to it.
Trauma first attacks the heart... you have to heal that every time. The heart tries to rectify. the vibration it creates then writes itself in your cell if you don’t cancel that vibration
Well SAID! BEARS REPEATING OFTEN!
Agreed. Dr. Van der Kolk has a book called 'The Body Keeps the Score" that discusses how trauma gets coded into our body's cells.
Hello I love your talks, educational and food to share with others. Keep winning we need light in the world!!!
Oh, I so agree with those hugs. when I worked in the jail with the women as a mental health clinician, I’d defuse a lot of fights with physical touch. I’d hug the women and I knew it helped. I’ve also worked with men and hugged them as well and knew it was healing. I gave good ones too, not long ones but ones full of the hope and promise I had for them. And all though in the women’s division in the jail as crazy as it could get, there were still hugs being given. That was not happening unfortunately as much or even at all with the men. I’ve worked in a lot of places,
and creating safety, promoting community, encouraging love for self and others anchored in God and a good hug would create something deep and spiritual every time. It was hard work to say the least and I wouldn’t do it again. But it was spiritual work for sure and made me a better clinician and a better human being. Keep um coming. Love y’all.
POWERFUL!! !SIS! YOUR 1000!!!! OF KNOWLEDGE!!!
At my former job when customers would make me ABSOLUTELY LIVID, my former coworker wouldn’t say a word to me, she would just give me a very loving, comforting hug. I would almost instantly calm down.
That is your light Dr. "Joy."
Ladies this is an amazing topic on so many levels. Particularly since Ive just watched “You asked to see the Monster “ over the weekend. I’m still traumatized four days later. I was so annoyed with myself for watching the movie allowing it in my psyche.
This is my second time watching this podcast. Thoroughly enjoyed and very much appreciate both of your efforts🎉🎉
I HAVE NEVER SEEN ROOTS FOR MY OWN SANITY! I KNOW I WOULD’VE LOST MY JOB AND ALL AT THE TIME! BUT THERES SO MUCH A PERSON CAN TAKE AT ONE TIME!
I love this dialogue. As usual.
Thank you all for this discussion because I wondered why I was so disturbed in spirit by the series "Them." I only finished it out of curiosity but I was disturbed for days.
I Love you two! Thank you for sharing your knowledge and your life experiences. You are soooo AWESOME🙏
MUCH RESPECT, B1
I am feeding myself with Wellness Wednesday's! Love y'all. Thank you for this gift!
This is a brilliant discussion.
thanks for information.
i LOVE YOU BOTH!!!! Your topics are so on point. Thank you.
✊🏾🖤 Ready for more learning, healing and vids💯
Glad you each made up this channel. Dr. DeGruy is a favorite person for all her research and scholarship...plus coming from SCLA. She is quite the example and balance to other ways the SCLA community is portrayed...
Both of you are God sends,wells of refreshing water,in a desert apocalypse 🥵🫡!
Lean more into our humanity 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾TOUCH
Greetings love this Wellness Wednesday. Have not seen "Them", advised/suggested by a person who knows me so very well. Enjoyed this conversation. I had just seen "Exterminate all the brutes", so this was enough for right now. There are "no' people like us on this planet. "It ain't love til we win"
There’s a scene in Beloved where Oprah Winfrey’s character slams her infant child against a brick wall - killing the child because it was better to be dead than a slave in the eyes of the character.
I love this show lady's ima street student of the great Dr. and to the topic I felt the same way when I watched the show "Your Honor"!
They have the same smile so lovely ladies. And great content as usual.
Shinning in the light of your full potential 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Love this conversation.
You’re on point about that show Bahía.
It’s expensive trash.
It’s fetishizing our pain for their entertainment and reinforces beliefs
It keeps providing them with their cognitive dissonance fix right through the tv screen.
It feels like when ex drug addicts talk about how they use to get high and you can tell they are getting off on it. Our pain in their entertainment.
That feeling you felt at that restaurant and supposedly it's all in our minds. Uh hum. And racism doesn't exist, because we are all feeling things and experiencing things that don't happen.👍
Peace Queens 👑👑❤️🖤💚
There's lot of coded messages with redemption moment in these shows they're just coded in past abuse. Episode 9 and 10 of "Them" pretty much tells the biblical truth of who we are and how we fell, and also what happens when we become fully aware. Someone did a video on it, it's fascinating. So you have to watch for the messaging.
Yes it tells who we are
Whats interesting to me is how they can tell us who we are but won't explain who they are and where they came from since leaving the Continent or why they do what they do in the world.
Great content. However, quality of the conversation needs one host/ facilitator and one expert panelist ( Dr. Joy, because I don't know her co- hosts work). As co-hosts they are constantly at risk for talking over the other. Keep up the QUALITY CONTENT, ladies! Happy Mother's Day!💚💙💜🖤❤🧡💛💯
First of all, I love it when it’s just the two of you. I’m more focused. But next time, if you’re going to commentate on a movie, you both have to see it. Because, Dr.Joy hadn’t saw “Them” she was not connected therefore kept references relevant commentary but not regarding the movie per se. Hopefully, she’ll watch it and do a part two. I watched “Them” and became so twisted even after I watched the producers commentary couldn’t wrap my head around why he needed to make this movie. Or, why he had to make it in the way he did. I would not recommend anyone watch it! I wanted to pull out on the first episode because, the first day they moved in I wanted to just fight! I wanted to tear up all those radios and just beat up every butt out there. I was so twisted, by the time I got to the scene with the baby, I just sat there, not getting that this was really happening. I was numb to the point I didn’t believe it was real, that anyone would actually show this. I thought the mother was having a nightmare. This white women killed her baby while singing “Cat in the bag”. The last thing that baby saw was her ugly white face. How the mother was being raped all the while watching her baby being killed. When I realized this had really happened I was beside myself with grief. And the job they did on the poor husband, was just horrific. He was being eaten from the inside out and from the outside in. Lord have mercy....The children being the recipients of this trauma. The disjointedness, the symbolism, the horror, this myth of an hunted house all got in the way of the truth. When it was over, I felt like I was in the “Sunken” place in the movie “Get out”. I didn’t want to watch it anyway because it was a series. But that advertising bully got the best on me. Keep um coming... Love ya.
Speaking just for myself, I'm seeing things in our community that I have never witnessed before. I love my people but something is going terriblely wrong. I believe we set back and let the ghetto culture take over in many aspects. Whoever raised you plays a big part in what type of individual you will become. I was raised in a two parent home. When we were coming up in the fifties and sixties if your father was in the military he was often away. Any decent mother or even father can raise well balanced children alone. We make excuses and it's BS. To comment about "Juicey Faces". My mother always had one! But not just her, my aunts and uncles, and visiting cousins. I can't leave out all the black neighbors and people I ran into daily. So, this comment was new to me but oh so factual when I thought about it. Black people would speak or nod to you the street. Black men and women would stop you anywhere in public with a look of pride and encourage you to far. If you were doing anything disapproving they corrected you. I cannot write a book here. But I thoroughly believe in Dr Joy's work. Back in the day Black people raised their children didn't matter if the women was single or not! We tell the truth about White folks but seldom do we see how we have picked up so many of their bad ways. We need the conversation on a couple of levels.
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I like this show. The more frightening thing to know is what Esau really is. They aren’t what you think they are. Esau knows just what he is.
Here's one of the worst examples of what not to watch. This was back in the early 50's. I was 3 or 4. My parents took me to see 'Phoenix City'. A little black child a little older Tham me was murdered by the police. Her body was thrown on her parents front yard. They transported her body in a woody (station wagon). I was traumatized for years with nightmares and hatred for those 'woodys'. My parents never noticed nor would they have cared. I wish I had never seen that gory movie.
I realize now that you are mother and daughter. What a wonderful duo. The sight of you two being able to handle, enjoy and spar with each other has special meaning for me. My parents were distant and cold due to their own childhood background.
IVE NEVER HEARD THE TERM MUSH FACE, BUT I TRY TO BE THAT FOR MOST LIL KIDS I RUN INTO IN PUBLIC! I NEVER KNOW IF THEY EVER FEEL SPECIAL SO I GIVE THEM THAT MOMENT, KNOWING I MAY MEVER SEE THEM AGAIN
*”A form of disaster porn”* Damn🔥
This movie has been done for a reason, I saw the beginning and switched it off. It's evil and demonic, there are some movie you do not watch in your home, they do that to us melanated people, it is part of their strategy. I live in the UK and believe you me we are not part of these people some are, these are the ones who do not care to know our history , anyone from the Caribbean will tell you, and what the UK has done to us lately. Great show as always, oh and by the way I went to a place called Bournemouth a seaside town and went into this shop no black folks and I felt the same thing I saw fear to, just like Dr degrues husband I walked in walked through them around asked questions spoke nicely then walked out. I had to laugh.👍🏿
WHERE CAN I SEE THIS MOVIE??
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I like this show because it lines up with the Bible
If we were able to detach from the trauma because we're personally healed we'd be able to see that the episode actually shows WHY we've undergone the trauma in the first place. It depends on your state of spirit and mind. We as a people need to recognize WHO we are and this episode shows us that WE HAVE BEEN CURSED as a whole. We don't take the bible which is the history of our people seriously but if we actually did we'd see that what we've gone through and are experiencing now is THERE. It's it folklore. And just because whites have used it to enslave and twisted the script doesn't make it any less OUR HISTORY. There is a resolution to be had but we're too high strung to be able to objectively see beyond the frustrations of our dilemma.
Yah is waking up His people by any method He wills.
I only saw clips and wouldn't prefer to watch it in entirety but what I did see is the spiritual reality that we have not been willing to see as so called spiritual people.
The scene of the WS Christian pastor that was in the basement telling the sister that we had a covenant was telling us who we were and what needs to be done to see our people no longer murdered etc repeatedly.
Yes the trauma is real but can the majority of us behind to trace WHY. We've been conditioned by the very ones that have inflicted on us to think it's about skin color. It is not. It's just a mark,not the root.
Please read Genesis 15, Deuteronomy 4, 6, 28; Jeremiah 30 to start.
I respect you Sister Joy... And your research. 👑 We were taken from Africa but we are YASHAREL...most of us in America are Yahuddi/ Yahudah/Judah though many of our people are citizens on the continent and Yasharel/Israel is northern Africa (it wasn't Africa until more modern times) we are a distinct people chosen from Shem, Noah's son. Shem's son Eber...we are Eber/Ivri they got Igbo/ Heboe/Hebrew from.
We already know the problem...., let us find a solution..., we know what happened..., it is time to act.....and i mean Globally
I'm concerned about those that confuse reality with myth or fantasy displayed by the movies. Emmett Aldrich
I guess as a young person, it kind of answered questions as to how black ppl got to where we are today. In reference to how black ppl became victims of systemic racism, How internalized racism affected them at home, how so many black people had to subject themselves into this type of environment to force change that could not happen if whites weren't forced to see that they were the problem. I could have done without the baby scene, and the two episodes after it. but afterwards I started to watch moves from 1930-60s and learned more about the history of film ( I know it sounds weird) but the song the lady was singing ended up coming from an old minstrel show that pretty much enabled white ppl in general but also those who had never seen black ppl very often to think black ppl were animals.
I was traumatized, and then I stayed up for days researching what I had seen. btw the last episode verified a lot of what I was thinking while watching it. a few examples:
the father- he had got a job, working with white people who didn't respect him as a engineer. So, he started to "code switch" or be "less black" to get the respect he had already deserved. he had to constantly battle with himself to get the outcome that left him feeling respected, but most of the time was still subjected to racism. at the end he had to realize that the anger he was fighting back wasn't going away, it was manifesting into him idolizing them & seeing himself as someone who needed to be like them and less like himself. The world told him he wouldn't climb to the top if he didn't "code switch" or act accordingly. America has a way of telling us if we just "fit a criteria" we'd be just fine in almost every area of injustice. its a barrier that was made up. He was already fit, they just kept moving the line. which is why the black guy was just a white guy in black face, posing as a black man.
the teen daughter, in my opinion, had suffered the same kind of trauma as her dad. except her demon was a white girl who accepted her and called her pretty/fetishized her. It addressed how children views the world when there is a lack of representation. She went to a all white school with kids who made it VERY obvious they didn't view her as pretty, smart, or friendly. she created a friend who she thought would help her be popular and filled the spaces that her environment refused to do. which was allow her to be a child. But in the end she had to realize that she is a image of her mother who is beautiful, strong, bright and loves her. something that matters more than what she sees for 8 hours a day 5 days a week. and the girl she idolized so much, was actually just as ugly as her own insecurities. in fact, her believing the girl was prettier and better than her is unrealistic and disturbing to both her and hell me sitting at home on my couch.
the mother- she had soooo many demons to deal with that I can not go into without reliving the trauma. It had a lot to do with how America has no understanding or even care about how it feels to be a black women in a America. to loose a child to racism and know that and have everyone tell her to move on, tell her to be stronger. to be called crazy when hurting, and so much more. I
communities so we can see what that looks like.
youtube cut off my entire comment about how the black women actually saved her entire family in the end. if she was not there to pull her entire family out, they may have stayed in the state they were in.
they also cut off my comment that said: I believe the moral of the story was, the family has moved there with intentions of enabling change where it was welcome, but instead learned that the problem had made itself into their home, they had internalized the problem without realizing it. Also, it was not just to them but to anyone of color who moved there. i order to come out on top, they need to unlearn internalized r a c i s m, learn capitalism, and teach their children about self worth without looking outwards. If there was a new season, Id like to see them move back home and build the community that we once almost had if it weren't burned and bombed. we need to see more people of color with wealth that wasnt taken from another person of color. the old narratives are so played out
I write poems, sci fi & fantasy stories showing Black people as strong in a future from now. Suffice to say I don't get allot views more if I wrote about thug life. I'd get an Emmy.
I think Them just brought the realization nothing has really changed to many people
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You should watch the hbo series Exterminate All the Brutes.
Avoidance does not change the reality. The Holocaust is universally accepted as true and they make a movie or show about the Holocaust every 3 years. It is not porn it is reality
That shit was for fear by TELEVISIONS
I love the both of you. I’m late to the party but here for it all. Now what advice do you give the offspring and carriers of the Y Ev38 chromosome, Ramses the third and factual DNA evidence of the presence of more kings than I can imagine in my RNA.
Exactly,why are these films even being made,and better yet why are these actors even taking these roles? I would never act in a movie or play where I was dehumanized. And I certainly question the parents that let their children act in these deplorable movies.I don't get it.I always wonder if no actors accepted roles like these,what would the proucers do? Stop making these type of films,I presume.
24:50, This show is meant to shake up the White viewers, not Black ones. If you can see Critical Race Theory as a form of storytelling to help White folks think outside of Whiteness (to use the description of Dr.Greg Carr), I can certainly see "THEM" is being used as a cinematic form of this. It's not meant to be real per se, it's meant to put you in a space of REAL empathy. To Bahia's point, "the only relief you get us a couple of people get smacks". I think that was intentional, because after all, isn't that that the feeling many if us have. All this hostility on the account of White folks, and all we've been able to do is smack them a few times. How Bahia feels about that part of the story is how I feel about the Black experience in the US.
They did kill a dog in this show!!!!!!! OMG
Dang can she finish her story without getting preoccupied with how Dr. Joy looks in her frame… who cares if her head if “cut off in the frame”… great convo besides that
Blacksploitation movies were not "Buffoonery", they were just low budget movies, some bad and some good. We have to stop using the Mzungu terms for our images.
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Horror and sci-fi are my favorite genres to read and watch, but I had to turn this off. The white racists were not getting the claps they deserved and I was beginning to not have sympathy for the victimization of one of the white characters (incest). I don't want to reflect the same lack of empathy that has been visited on my people, and my experience from watching this showed me how easily that could happen.
The title "Them" is very dismissive alone. What is "them" and who are "them"? If the series is about reinforcing the decades
of trauma and degradation to Black people, no thanks I don't need to see it. Anything that's feels dismissive or effects your
spirit in a negative way is not of GOD.. Black people don't need anymore attacks to our mental, physical, emotional, and spiritual existence in this world. Movies such as these should never be viewed as "Entertainment". Love and blessings to ALL!!
Sorry for the typing format.
I refuse to watch these black trauma movies. It feels like our pain is amusing and $$$ lucrative. I swear I have ptsd from these movies.
Question, how is it that y’all end up in places where you’re the only Black people there. You all are intelligent Women, so I know you can find more diverse places to live. What’s that about?
I need to watch this whole video, but already within the first ten minutes, you two brilliant women are clueless about this show. It is a horror show. It touches on so many topics from the trauma of blacks in this era. It’s not a documentary, it’s a horror show!!!! It talks about the redlining of neighborhoods, how some black girls wanted to be accepted but as white, which still goes on today! You both already made clear that you are not horror fans, so of course you won’t get it. Next time, please have a third voice to explain the meaning! Love you, and I love this show!!!!
Thats the point. They won't make a horror film out of the Holocaust? Or D Day or 9/11 or Hiroshima so why fictionalize or trivialize our trauma. How about make a film about the little children smiling while watching a man hanging from a tree? Or a film about who did those children become? Whose grandparents or great grandparents are they? Make a film about the people who cut off limbs and body parts to keep for souvenirs. How did they go about daily life with ears and hearts on the mantel piece. Or Make a film about the people who stole property and land to pass down to their decendants simply by changing laws. We know how our anncesstors were brutalized and see the atrocities daily. Show the world the Brut in the suit or wearing the apron making cookies.
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Hey ladie.....i dont like how your always corrected the doctor, or speaking on irrevalant flaws. STOP IT !! SHOW MORE RESPECT YOUNG WOMAN. PLEASE 🙏