Fullmetal Alchemist VS Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood
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- Опубліковано 20 жов 2024
- Spoiler Alert, the winner isn't Howl's Moving Castle.
Music:
Miho Fukuhara - Let It Out
FMA OST - Heavenly Spirit
Brotherhood OST - Lullaby of Resembool
Brotherhood OST - Stepping Along
Brotherhood OST - Crime and Punishment
Brotherhood OST - The Intrepid
Brotherhood OST - Amestris Military March
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Are we forgetting in brotherhood the scene where izumis husband teams up with Armstrong against a humunclus
God I was watching that part at 2 in the night while everyone in my house was sleeping and I was laughing for 10 minutes straight
In all fairness, FMA had the flex battle scene, though...
Legendary
the short kid I do think that the humunculi were better dealt with in FMA (especially with gluttony)
“ANSWER ME WHO IS ATTACKING LOOKOUT POST B!?!?!”
“A housewife!”
It doesn’t even fit here I just love that quote
Fma Scar: "I sometimes cry when I write poetry."
Brotherhood Scar: "I eat mountain lions for breakfast."
100 likes, your welcome!
Chimeras huh? Fucking sweet
Funny thing is, Brotherhood Scar went the lighter route where 03 Scar went "Imma kill a city full of soldiers. Am i missing my arms? Yeah, but no matter, it's but a scratch"
_”And I eat them fucking live”_
Komrade BigTex sucks
“YOURFACEASPLODE!!!”
Full metal alchemist.
.....
Full metal alchemist!
Full metal alchemist~
Full metal alchemist?
...full metal alchemist.
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Fuckme tal alchemisr
Brotherhood has more Roy mustang jokes about how useless he is on rainy days
Brotherhood wins
Fma has more scenes about Armstrong
Fma Wins
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@@amisha.mp3 in fma there isn't any scene about a blonde boy who defeat with punches a guy who get the power of god
Fma hasn't got logical mistakes, but fmab has.
Fma more artistic,
fma's storyline not to match with manga's.
Because of this, fmab loves more by people
@@ataozturk7285 He only was able to defeat him with "punches" because 1) Greed (who Father had absorbed for strength, since he was getting pretty beat up by that point) turned his body into brittle carbon 2) he didn't have the power of the god, they'd used the reverse transmutation circle to take all the souls he absorbed back.
FMAB had a much more coherent, concise and internally consistent plot with growing intrigue surrounding history of Amestris, the secrets behind alchemy and human transmutation, and its conclusion is based on information that is seeded early on in the plot and steadily built on until it all clicks together. FMA did a lot of good things, and given that it only had half a story it then had to extrapolate an ending from it did a lot better than other series working off half-finished source material. However the plot was a lot clunkier, the characters were not utilised as effectively, and as was mentioned in the video there was a lot of filler. The thing that stands out to be as being much better in FMA than in Brotherhood is dedicating more time to Nina and getting the audience more attached, as well as the earlier stuff with Rose. All stuff that's in the manga, interestingly... perhaps people like the storyline that matches the manga because the storyline is better in the manga XD Things can be good? Idk bruv
@@ataozturk7285nin brotherhood alphonse isnt a bitch, literaly doesnt do Anthing in the story( only Being kidnap).
There is one reason brotherhood is superior, Ling Yao, he starts as a great character, then when he is fused with greed he becomes the best character
holy fuck ling becomes so good from once you meet him i hated him in the beginning but after his first battle against gluttony with ed and al i loved him
@@Sxnemi- // I hated/disliked him too. But I'm not done watching, so I dont really love him (yet?)
Ling is definitely one of my favorite characters
Greed is my favourite character
"You don't deserve to call yourself Greed!"
Fun fact
When I was younger I watched the original fma and enjoyed it and thought brotherhood was a continuation.
Me watching the first episode of brotherhood after the original fma thinking it’s a continuation*
Me: sees al back in his armor
Me: wait.......
Tornexus lol same! Finally someone else who thought this too. I was so confused
I thought the brotherhood was a continuation and I was like “oh good now I get to see how the brothers reunite yayyyy” but NO. I’m so mad. I think I would rather a continuation than the brotherhood
@@maddieanimationstudios7386 but ed and al reunite in the movie 'the conqueror of shamballa'. that is the real ending of the 2003 series :) it was beautiful see them together again
@@maddieanimationstudios7386 They don't call it Brotherhood in Japan.
I did the same >
Mustang's Motives for becoming king are much better in FMA,
"all female officers must wear miniskirts!!!"
But he can't see em
Oni- Linkle isjfhsijwh I’m screeching
ThE wOmAn AnD tHe ChIlDrEn ToO TINY MINISKIRTS!!!!!!
ThE wOmAn AnD tHe ChIlDrEn ToO but that’s not his motive it was literally a joke
@@Luba.Lukasa And what I said too, was also a joke
In fma I actually felt a bit bad for lust and wanted to see her become human like she wanted to.
That's because all of the homunculi were better in FMA vs Brotherhood because they actually had personalities and identities. Lust wanted to be a wife, Wrath wanted to be a son, Sloth wanted to be a mother. In Brotherhood the homunculi had absolutely no backstory since they were ripped off from Father.
@@Unigamia Nah because it didn't make sense
@@Unigamia while I mostly agree, brotherhood wrath has a very interesting backstory
@@Unigamia well, even ripped of from father they have a story, they would become someone 4 homunculi deaths in brotherhood are spectacular
Thats just cause she’s made to make you feel whatever it is she would like
Dang I came here prepared to fight to the end for FMA 03' then "THE ORIGINAL SERIES DID NOT HAVE OLIVIA ARMSTRONG" and I had to give up.
They wrote brotherhood with the expectation that people have already seen the original, that's why it sped past the first part so quickly
up to what part of the original should I watch before starting brotherhood?
just watch fmab then fma after fmab finish
@@happyfeet7123 eps 1-25 of 2003 and then watch eps 11 onwards to the end of brotherhood
@@QuirkyKitsune You could argue that, but then why did they skip over stuff like the real introduction of Roy Mustang, the chapter that introduces Yoki or the two bonus chapters that the original FMA adapted as episode 37? One of them which the author has stated is her favorite chapter in the whole series. I get them not adapting the non canon light novels (which the 2003 version adapted), but these chapters? Come on!
@@happyfeet7123 - alfa01spotivo’s recommendation makes the most sense since it’s the same studio and they expected you to have seen ‘03 beforehand.
He forgot the twist at the end of the original where it turns out envy is ed and al's halfbrother......... Im not even kidding he is dante and hoenhiem's son
WHAT
@@big-orcat its real. Its why he hates hoenhiem in the og because of abandoning him and his mom for thrisha , ed and al
Wow, I did watch FMA and I... wow.
I think this is why Brotherhood is so much better, which may be bias, cos I LITERALLY JUST FINISHED WATCHING BROTHERHOOD IT WAS SOOOO GOOOOOOOOD
I remembered being confused by that plot twist until I watched it again and did some wiki research, lol. Honestly, that plot twist was pretty forgettable and didn't add anything much to the characters or story. Like there wasn't much build up to it until the last few episodes.
An equal fan of FMA and FMAB-
*sips coffee and watches the generic war of “which is better” in the comments. The same one that’s been going on for over 7 YEARS.*
☕️ “Man..some of ya’ll really need to learn the law of equivalent exchange.”
Mama Arakawa says she loves and approves of you both. So shut up, quit fighting, and eat your applesauce already.
Only someone who saw the original before brotherhood can really make big boi statements
Mote_Kela well hey, it’s me:
I’m big boi.
i won't say fighting, we're discussing. it's a fun hobby
and i prefer the original FMA, i tried watching FMAB but i saw it was all the same, then i skiped to the last episode and... well... i really didn't liked that end (but i see why some people liked it)
@@sheriffcraft7673 I get that..but I usually see a lot of fights break out is all lol.
And you’re entitled to your opinion but..
Maybe you shouldn’t have skipped to the end?
FMAB isn’t really the same plot at all compared to the FMA 03.
Besides the first 10 or so episodes that cover the brother’s backstory and nina/hughes arc, it diverges to a completely different storyline, with new characters, new backstories, gives some
old characters greater importance to the narrative, and some new homunculi who aren’t created the same way the fmab homunculi were..so even the ones who look the same are basically different characters with different motives as well.
Hey can I open there minds there nothing better anime but opinion
and also if they wanna watch more action go watch the fmab
or if they wanna watch more realistic story and dark shit stuff like go watch the fma
Edward in FMA acts like a child cause he is one, in the original they explore that idea more to show how hard it is for a kid to live in a world like that.
@@arianne6759 Thanks for being so polite
@@arianne6759 Why should i, you are just given your opinion after all XD
@@arianne6759 I would agree with you. in reality if you go through traumatic events you dont come out the same especially if your young. the Elric brothers have known tragedies after tragedy so to have them still act like children after all that doesnt make any sense at least to me.
@@arianne6759
Going through tragedies doesnt suddenly make you mature. Yes, you tend to mature faster, but at the end of the day, your brain is still the developing brain of a teenager. It makes absolute sense for Ed to act the way that he does. He is also very mature most of the time but has a hard time when it comes to things he is emotionally attached too. This isnt unrealistic because there are millions of adults who are the same exact way.
That’s good reasons t why they’re both fuckin awesome!
Ed and Edward were totally IMMATURE in the original FMA! It's almost like they were childiren or something.
Ohwait.
They were.
ed and Edward ? hahaha dont you mean ed and al or Edward and Alphonse ? ^^
...I watched a lot of Ed and Eddy as a child. it feels right.
But its still ed and al or Edward and Alphonse and not ed and ed xD
Don't forget double d xD He's the best Ed.
Finally someone said it
Although I like Brotherhood more then the original this video comes off kinda biased because you dissect the tiniest issues with FMA 03 but totally overlook the glaring problems that Brotherhood had like how some of the iconic moments don't have the same weight to them as the original and they just sort of breeze through them. Like Nina's death in the original was so impactful and hearing Ed cry gave it more emotion.
he did say several times he was biased
yeah, in brotherhood the first 10 episodes = the first 25-26 episodes of the original serie. The characters are not developed and nothing has the same weight. Moments such as the death of Nina, Maes Hughes are soooo much better in the original. Characters such as Scar or Roy Mustang have so much more dept. The story as a whole is much better.
No he said I like to think I'm not biased
RandomBlackGamer well most of us watch FFA first, so when Brotherhood came out they did it short because we all knew the characters. if you watched Brotherhood first im sorry
They did that to not be redundant I would think. When I first watched brotherhood I was afraid I was getting the same story from the beginning. I am very glad I didn't stop watching.
I like FMAB more because Scar is alive
Oh, and I love FMAB Greed
the greed/ling fusion
GreeLing
FMAB is way to happy go lucky. Like scar just gets pardoned of murdering dozens of state alchemist because he teamed up with the good guys, there isnt a world that exists where he isnt going to jail regardless of if he helped out "the good guys". He literally murdered tons of innocent state alchemist because of some BS religious nonsense and out of revenge.
Betty Bros You can give your opinion but don’t do it so harsh and mean
@@piglin5404
How was I being harsh or mean??? Please explain?
The cow goes: moo
The pig goes: oink oink
The dog goes: Ed-ward
creepy weeb fuck you lmao
@@reggie6871 yeah fuck that guy
Log fuck that guy X2
Too soon
God damnit
The early episodes of the original explain a lot that Brotherhood skips because it assumes you already watched the original
For instance, and you forgot to mention, Hughes has more screentime in the original. You get to know him, you know his goals and way of thinking. In Brotherhood everything is condensed, and when he dies it doesn't have the same weight like in the original.
It doesn't at all, as I watched the original before brotherhood, the attachment I got to Hughes character is crazy, and I was CRUSHED when he died. Brotherhood just didn't do that.
Teodoro Osorio um yes it does
Yeah he is pretty biased, when he talked about nina/alexander arc being better in FMAB. Mother's basement explain is really well in one of his vid
Same can be said with Nina and Alexander
maru hughs is in 8 episodes in brotherhood.... you barely know the character. If you were crushed its because you saw the original
Anime rule number 1. Shiny glasses= badguy.
No their dad had them and he’s not evil
..So every anime character with glasses is evil?
@@annikasinkkonen3630 you looking for a fight, or you just stupid? clearly my comment is a play on an anime stereotype.
Bruh thats not true
@@ichiquaqua7204 read above statement ignore question.
Tucker art was in my honest opinion handled better in original series. Many said this, but it's important to point out it's not just a simple issue of "Tuckers had more screentime so watchers were more invested" but also the issue of how the series portrayed the relationship between the two families and how much more Tuckers meant to Al and Ed in the original.
In Brotherhood, the brothers get to know the Tuckers because dad Tucker created a Chimera and his library could help uncover the secrets of the Philosopher's Stone. Cool. He has a cute daughter and a dog, the brothers visit now and again, they play with the kid sometimes, but that's about it.
In the original, the brothers met the Tucker family because Ed was studying for his state alchemist entrance exams there. It was established that Ed and Al lived at the Tucker's for MONTHS and that Shoe and Nina effectively became something of a surrogate family for the two. When Chimera'd Nina says "Big Brother Ed" it's not just the stereotype of a little girl calling the protag big bro, it's actually describing the relationship between the girl and Ed. In the months leading up to her being changed into a Chimera, she basically became the boys' little step sister.
It also ties nicely into why Ed hates Scar so much: Ed would have tried to help her, but his chance is ruined by Scar running across her. Imagine your little sister gets disfigured for life, and then gets splattered across some back alley wall by some murderous lunatic that for all you know just has has a hate boner for alchemists.
Omg, now I understand why at the end of FMAB they were so invested into finding out how to solve cases like Nina. It always confused me why they blamed themselves for it. Thanks
Yes my favourite character, Shoe Tucker.
Yeah, I like brotherhood more in general but it totally failed on the Nina arc
Thank you! I’d also like to point out how we slowly start to build a case and realize that something was going on with Tucker. That’s why episode 7 is my favorite of the original, it’s absolutely shocking and brilliantly dark. I think season 1 of FMA:B was handled better in FMA, also Miniskirts.
But really he thinks he would have figured out the twist because of a glasses zoom in? Everyone thinks the twist is obvious after they already know what the twist is. Btw I do kinda like Brotherhood more than FMA after it’s first season.
Conclusion, watch both series to get the best of both!
GENIUS!
Conclusion, read the manga so you understand the story the way its meant to be told.
showme21
How about people choose the route they want to take and in the end the result is the same: They enjoy the series. Instead of doing it the way you think is proper, which not everyone will agree to. Let people enjoy it the way they enjoy it. Otherwise you and those who share your overbearing ideology are just ruining it for others. Do you want people to be fans of the Full Metal Alchemist series or just the part you like the most?
No rather, I want people to be fans of all of Full Metal Alchemist iterations and based on knowing all the diferencies then chose and enjoy the parts they like the best. Or to put it simply instead of only apples and pears, you should try and enjoy all the fruit
I am not disagree with you but merely stating that they should have the freedom to choose what order they wish to consume what form of media and what version of it.
It's not a remastering. I'd say a remastering is when you retell the story and make it better with animation and cutting filler. Remember, '03 was made before the manga was finished, so it took its own route, starting early on. These are two different plots and stories, not just a retelling with a different end and upgrades.
Ihsan ingersoll that’s what I’m talking about the anime and manga are different so you have to include that
Dude what are you talking, it would Though doing the anime without letting the manga catch up is terrible idea because the people who make the filler, clearly do not know story better than the author, learn from Naruto, it's the king of filler for a bad reason.
Lumpy Space Princess In this case, I think it's fine. Because I think the author of the manga is a bad writer, and her story is vastly inferior to the '03 version's story.
Lumpy Space Princess Actually one piece is so worse
The point though is the first anime was completed before the manga hit the halfway point. She didn't have an exact end in mind at that point. There is overlap up to the point where Lust dies. The Manga didn't actually end until 2010. They seriously were not going to let it go on hiatus for that long to catch up.
So, I'm actually here to defend Brotherhood. Because apparently the comment section is made of fans of the original series.
Here's my one and only point: Izumi specifically said that she couldn't have kids in Brotherhood. She actually said that was the price she paid for attempting human transmutation, Truth took her child-bearing organs.
Truth got some mad pussy lmao
And let's be honest, the story of Brotherhood is much more gripping. When I watched Brotherhood I couldn't stop watching it and instantly pressed on the button for the next episode, whereas in the original K felt more like"meh"
It's specifically said that she lost her child bearing organs because of a failed transmutation of her failed child in 2003, as well
@Kinda Weeaboo, But not really. funnily enough, you are making it sound black and white too. The story of FMAB hangs A Lot on the characters. Sure, the world/universe is bigger than in the original, but Brotherhood did a good job too, if not even better. The main difference lies in the pace of the story. Of course you need time to develop characters and the world, but the original took way to much time for arcs Brotherhood made in far less episodes, and does a good job doing so. But in the end, it is just a personal preference which direction of the story one likes more I guess :)
Me and my brother watched the originals first and it was amazing. Years later when brotherhood came out it honestly blew our minds. Brotherhood was much more polished and superior to the original imo
Hughes' death and aftermath in the original was far sadder to me than Brotherhood's version tbh
Totally agree
Agree
I agree but that funeral on bh caught me
I agree that Hughes' demise had more of an emotional impact in 03, but I truly don't think that negates or even lessens what Brotherhood did: I was still wrecked at Hughes's death. I don't think adding more depth here necessarily makes a story better; it just drives focus onto bonding with characters who die. But, that's not really the point of the story. Hughes was always meant to die, and that death would launch Roy into choosing vengeance or his future. I think Brotherhood handled this fallout better. The confrontation between his right hand woman, Ed, and Scar (who was defined by his hatred and wrath in FMAB) was so powerful. That, I believe, far makes up for the missing scenes in 03.
In Brotherhood Hughes death was Sadder you said go watch it again it's on UA-cam
I saw FMA first and it quickly became my favorite anime of all time, but that was completely blown away after watching Brotherhood. While FMA nailed the darker tone, Brotherhood felt way more complete in the end - even the minor characters' plots and arcs were resolved, the build-up to and the actual finale were coherent and felt less weird as FMA's, also Winry became more than the damsel in distress and there was pretty much no filler at all. Both series will always have a special place in my heart, but Brotherhood takes the top spot and I rewatch it every few years. Great comparison!
TheSchokodragon
I did, and do the same thing. I can't agree with this more.
TheSchokodragon I agree but when I watched FMA and saw the Nina and Barry arc I got chills, but I didn’t feel much in brotherhood concerning Nina
JackalNut I agree. I love Brotherhood way more, but Nina had more feels in FMA.
If FMAB had the dark tone of FMA then it would've been the best anime ever FMAB is just too shounen
TheSchokodragon honestly Brotherhood is much more enjoyable for me
Brotherhood overall is definitely superior but FMA did several things better. Musical score, Nina’s death, Hugh’s character and death, Lust’s character, Youswell, Leor (the religious town,) flashbacks, and setting up the story.
“I LOVE DOGS!”
“TINY MINISKIRTS!”
And the entirety of that episode about Mustang and his capital gang.
But I actually 100% agree with you.
>Musical score
No
Yeah, the og fma has better ost
The whole fifth lab arc was so much better in FMA
@@conehead2099 FMAB has like 5 tracks, 3 out of which I genuinely enjoyed
Brotherhood feels more like an action series while 2003's feels more like a character driven series imho.
Just two very different approaches.
I agree
I feel like FMA also focuses more heavily on emotional weight while FMAB tries to appeal to logic
Sounds like the truth
Brotherhood is so much more than an action series.
Fair point.
I look back on brotherhood with fond memories.
When I look back on 2003 my heart is filled with dread. Not because it was bad, but because 2003 had a much darker tone to me. That may have been because of how Edward was handled. He’s a kid going through hell and the writers showed that. His breakdown when he killed greed, had to dig up his mother’s remains to kill the reanimating of his mother, Barry the chopper nearly killing a terrified Ed, and the fact that Ed literally “died” at the end of show. And there’s more, having pride (2003’s Bradley) kill his own son was jaw dropping. Lust and Scars death were depressing. Having humonculi being failed human transmutation made 2003 very dark.
One thing that should have been mentioned was the difference between Maes death in FMA and Brotherhood.
In FMA it was a lot more devastating because Hughes had a lot more screen time, and that gave fans a chance to get to know him more, and to see his loyalty toward his friends, his love for his family, and his devotion to make sure that everyone around him had happiness and achieves their goals.
In Brotherhood, his death happened so fast, that the reaction is basically: "Oh. He died? That's fucked."
Also, I love this guys narration. Lol.
As someone who watched Brotherhood first. Maes death had enough of an impact to make me cry. Not too many anime have done that.
***** I cried too. But I completely lost it at his funeral because his daughter didn't understand why they were burying him.
I watched Brotherhood recently and I noticed that.
It's motto was, "Why do in two episodes in what we can do in one?"
Cyber-Kun
True. That was one of the things I don't like about Brotherhood. Everything was too rapid fire. To me, FMA gave a lot of the characters more time to develop. I know Brotherhood is based exactly on the Manga. But still.
I also disliked the fact that Brotherhood tried to be funny in nearly every episode. For example: the bit with Father Cornello. In FMA, that was certainly darker and grittier. In Brotherhood, they had comedy. Like the scene were Ed hooks up the mike so the entire town knows Cornello was a phony. And to me, it just didn't fit.
Maes death was also better in FMA....Damn, I feel bad for saying his death was better...
Don't get me wrong, Brotherhood is awesome as hell. A lot of the scenes from there should have been in FMA. Like Roy killing Lust and Envy.
Also, the characters like Olivia Armstrong. And Al's return. All of that was amazing.
+Cyber-Kun is more like "There were 4 episodes in Original that were explaining this thing. Oh, I suppose first 5 minutes of one episode in Brotherhood is enought to explain it."
I like brotherhood better, but your e being kinda biased, brotherhood condensed the first 26 episodes of fma into 10, things such as Nina and Hughes were handled much better in fma than brotherhood.
I really do agree with you but the brotherhood's climax is beyond fmas climax fma left you with questions while brotherhood told you it ended lol
They also totally skipped the mining town and the characters just show up later in brotherhood.
@Studio Spider Well then I would argue FMA did it better. In most cases, having time to bond with characters does mean their deaths are more impactful later on. It allows you to be invested in these characters besides your typical main characters. They dropped hint after hint with Tucker on purpose so it can make you think this guy is suspicious, so when the reveal happens, you will know you were right to be suspicious. Plus, it felt more dark and natural even knowing the hints were all there. In fmab, they just throw it out there and try to force you to be caught off guard by the reveal, but the plot gave you little time to be invested in fmab Nina. Same with fmab Hughes. (Even though he's my personal favorite character).
In fmab, most of his scenes consists of him talking really fast, which is pretty funny considering it's done on purpose since they wanted to move past the fma story as fast as possible. But the point of that is that it didn't give you time to breathe with Hughes, so his death was kinda "meh". And I'd also like to point out how after Hughes died in fmab, Roy was saying how the elrics can't know about his death. Thus making it sound like that secret would be fleshed out more, but nope, the elrics found out later in that same episode. When Roy kept that secret from them in fma, it was fleshed out a lot more.
So the entire point of my argument is that fmab rushed the hell out of characters like Nina and Hughes. Although it was for good reasons, it still doesn't excuse for how rushed it felt. Which is why fma did both their deaths better IMO.
Except in the case of Hughes, episode 10 of 2009 makes up for the abruptness by making it far more traumatic. You see Hughes teach for the phone as Mustang calls to him as it is despicably snatched from his grasp by the bastard Envy. Then you see Hughes' eyes fall closed for the final time and goes body go limp. Later at the Funeral, the focus stays on Mustang and Hughes without the added distraction of the Elrics safety. The only reference Roy makes is how he understands know what drives them to the taboo which makes things that much more painful as you see his vulnerability. Then finally to actually see the tear fall just shatters all feels.
I feel like both brotherhood and 03 have different messages in general.
Brotherhood has a message of morality and how a worldview is extremely flawed.
03 has a different message, I can’t put my finger on it but characters are made differently, along with personality.
When you said that Barry was a filler episode, I don’t think it was filling in for time
The fact that Barry comes back to life when before Edward couldn’t even have one sort of fighting spirit, just scared to death.
And with maturity, cmon their not even teenagers what do you expect happen?
Yeah I didn't find Barry the Chopper episode to be filler either. In addition to them having to confront him again at the 5th laboratory Barry was also an important reminder that Alchemy is not evil, people are. It also caused Ed and Al to push Winry and their old life even farther away from them and reinforced their (particularly Ed's) belief that the only people they can rely on are each other. This assessment seems to be somewhat true as a lot of the side characters are a lot less helpful than in Brotherhood (Particularily, Mustang who is more distant and their relationship is almost purely commander-subordinate), and Izumi who quite physically abusive). The few people on the brother's side are Hughes who is going to die soon, Armstrong somewhat, and the two bodyguards who can't do much to help them anyway.
I think 2003 message can be summed up as:
Life is not fair, sometimes bad things happen to good people and there is nothing you can do to help it. However, just because the world may be cruel and unfair doesn't mean you should just give up and become a cynical nihilist.
2003's message is why I personally would choose it over FMAB and it's message is: People don't always get what they deserve, but they do reap what they sow. Tucker, Dante, Envy, all three of them chased after things that couldn't make them happy, thus they never knew real peace. Edward originally sought to cheat death, but later learned to embrace it, allowing him an Al to experience peace. Tucker didn't deserve to live and Ed didn't deserve to die, but Ed's ending was definitely far better than Tucker's. Al got so many terrible things he didn't deserve, but he sowed peace and determination, and that's what he reaped in the end. I Personally feel 03 ending was way more effective and realistic than FMAB when everyone gets a Generic happy ending.
Definitely agree
True and it's not even a bad or good ending. It's both, meaning it's a bittersweet ending
Brotherhood had several messages for the viewer that you didn't mention, such as:
- The importance of learning to rely on other people and not bearing the burden of things on your own, this is seen throughout the entire series as you see more and more people joining Al and Ed's endeavor to save the country. "All is One and One is All, without the one, there is no all"
- People can derail off their path and find themselves lost, but the people around them help them stand up and keep going, this is the main culmination for some of the characters' arcs such as Scar and Rosé.
- To appreciate the beauty of humans' flaws, seen from the seven deadly sins, which is Father's arc culmination, where Truth mocked the homunculi saying that he actually became inferior to humans after removing those human traits.
- And of course, the main message which was Ed and Al's culmination arc, was that there was no merit in gaining something without pain, this is seen in the fact that they refused to recover their bodies using the philosopher's stone, because they wanted to gain the right of recovering their bodies back without it simply being given to them for free, they wanted to pay for their mistakes no matter what because to them, learning to grow with the pain of your mistakes makes you a much stronger individual.
There are probably several more but these are the ones that stand up the most to me.
M FMA:B ending wasn’t exactly happy and that everyone got what they wanted. This is one of those things that bothers me. Is when FMA fans over look the brotherhood ending and saying how it’s just childish and happy because everyone got what they wanted yay! Well that’s completely wrong. In a typical anime happy ending, the character would still have their powers, not many of the characters would be dead or they would bring them back, most of the villains would be dead but the allies are alive.. etc.. brotherhood was the complete opposite. Van dies at Trisha’s grave, Al might be back but he looks like death, Ed’s right arm was smaller and skinnier(there’s an obvious reason for that and yes it fills back out later) Envy gives a depressing outburst speech in front of everyone while killing himself for Ed, Riza almost dies in front of Mustang, Mustang loses his eyesight, Greed sacrifices himself in front of Ling, Mei has to watch Al sacrifice himself for Ed’s arm, Fu dies while trying to protect Ling, One of the strongest Brigg generals die, many soldiers die, an entire country almost dies, Ed gives up his ability to use Alchemy so he can bring Al home. In the End, Al is still recovering and not completely healed yet. The ending of BH is not all kittens and rainbows. It’s actually emotional and dark. Many people died during this battle. Ed and Al part ways as well(I mean not forever and never seeing each other but still). I just wish most of the FMA fans will open their eyes a little more and see that BH isn’t all childish and dumb or not as good as 03. I think both of them are fantastic. Including the manga.
Damn it's literally the same comment...
Personally I like brotherhood better but FMA does have its good points. I like the little filler episodes from FMA and some of the other things and I have kinda merged them together in my head to form a better picture. But once the two start taking different paths is where I go to brotherhood. While I’ve only watched FMA once (maybe twice) compared to the 3? Times I’ve seen brotherhood I would say I like brotherhood more but if I could choose a mixture of the two I would rather than just one.
The friend that introduced me to full metal alchemist had me watch the original first before watching brotherhood because of how the original explained things at the beginning more in depth
Same here, best way to watch them ngl
I should've done that too, when I showed Brotherhood to my little brother I had to pause frequently to explain things because a lot of unexplained stuff were happening really fast
Having watched both, I think the optimal way to watch both anime is to start the original, get up to around episode 32-37-ish, then hop over to episode 11 of Brotherhood.
@@NEETKitten Nah, that would be confusing as 2003 changes stuff as early as episode 1
Just finished watching them both, and I gotta say that they're both really good in their own ways. I do prefer Brotherhood more, but that's just because I like the message more. Brotherhood feels a lot more philosophical, whereas original FMA feels more realistic, and I think both stories follow those trains of thought through to the very end.
Same!
Exact, I like more 03 for this.
I’d also like to say that brotherhood completely changes the FMA Kimbley to make him more of an interesting character to watch and to try and understand.
You never touched on Trisha's alleged connection to Sloth in FMA. That was kind of a big deal.
2003 Sloth was just a huge missed opportunity all the way through.
For being "Sloth," her special homunculus powers involve...water? Huh? Wouldn't it make more sense for her special powers to involve hypnosis? Y'know, to get other people to do stuff *for* her? Like a slothful person might? And then her confrontation with Ed and Al could have her hypnotizing Ed to fight in her stead, using the fact that she's Trisha's doppelganger to fuel a fight between Ed and Al? Y'know, to follow up on that early plot point that Ed never beat Al in a 1v1 fight in the 2003 series? To create some genuine tension and doubt between the brothers? Generate more pathos at the idea of having to kill their own mother when she's *right there*?
What we got instead was a travesty.
Zelkiiro Still better than brotherhood sloth. He has no personality, and in my opinion is just... awful. Why isn't his power hypnosis, huh?
Brotherhood Sloth is super endearing, and he makes sense--he's lazy. Doing Father's bidding is like a asking a whiny child to do chores, but this particular whiny child is 10 feet tall and built like a brickhouse. I loved Brotherhood Sloth.
Zelkiiro Pray tell, what makes him endearing, since his ONLY defining trait is he's lazy. Wrath isn't just angry 100% of the time, he had jokes, and you could tell that he wasn't just a nobody. Greed was so well defined, and he was shown to care about others. The other sins are shown to have their sins presented in an interesting, dynamic way. Sloth is just lazy, and... uh... That's it. They could have gone so many ways to make him slightly defined , but instead, they just made him empty, and with no defining personality traits that make us care. When he died, I was like "Oh. Okie Doki." Whereas with the other ones, I felt sad to see them go, and wished that they could have stayed longer, so we could see more of them.
@Zelkiiro 2003 Sloth's powers made perfect sense, actually. Water, and many other liquids in general, are probably the laziest substance in existence because they always take the "path of least resistance" in order to get from Point A to Point B. Like when water flows down the river, if a big rock is coming up that might block its way, it just flows around it instead of over it. 2003 Sloth is one huge scientific metaphor.
Also her personality is way better than Brotherhood Sloth. 2003 Sloth is properly apathetic towards everything. Her motivations are also incredibly Sloth-like: she believes that Ed and Al are false memories implanted in her mind and thus wishes to "take the easy way out" by killing them in order to relieve herself of her burdens. By killing them, she won't have to care about them anymore. Obviously, she comes to her senses in her death scene which adds a little bit of irony to her character.
The fact that FMA doesn't have the Ling/Greed dynamic means Brotherhood wins every time for me.
FullmetalBebop OMG ME TOO
he didn't even mention ling yao
man, all the greed and ling moments, some points like fu's death, when greed goes wild against bradley, making their both personalities fight together, the charge against the amestris soldiers, and greed sacrifice to save his friends, he was a awesome character in brotherhood ( i cried with his death )
2003 Greed > Friendship Greed
FullmetalBebop I see why, but FMA had a better Lust and Gluttony dynamic, and Lust did a lot more in FMA. Also, I liked FMA Sloth so much more than Brotherhoods big muscley giant.
I first watched the original, then shortly after I watched Brotherhood and it blew me away
Schneeragon _ same! I think I liked Brotherhood more because of how solid it felt.
I watched FMAB first, then the original.
The thing I disliked about FMA was the ending, and how Ed died. When in FMAB he took an entirely different approach, learned exactly what Truth was trying to show him, and then ultimately got his brother back. I mean, Ed does get his brother's body back, but I felt FMAB's ending was much more solid.
"I'm not biased" - the biggest lie ever told
No doubt haha, the whole episode he says he hasn’t really watched FMA but he’s trying to compare it. He’s definitely biased but that’s ok cause I’m kinda biased to FMA.
@Sandosam ??? tf you mean? Shutcho ass up
@Sandosam ??? then why did you tell him to shut up? It's true, the person reviewing the anime is biased
I have no idea why he made this video honestly.
@Sandosam ??? so you didnt add anything of value to this thread, you just had a pissfit, cool
I was with you until you said the tucker arc was better in brotherhood, It was defintely better in FMA.
Right xd
Yeah. Like in brotherhood they kinda through it all away and burned it in a dumpster fire.
@@garnetBUNNIES i think they expected you to watch the original before watching brotherhood and that's why it was so cut short in brotherhood. those things happened they just didn't show them in fmab cuz they thought you already watched the original fma
disagree, he wasn’t necessary to the plot plus he got to live. He should have been killed after what he did to his daughter. Plus by the third time I saw him in the FMA. I was ready to quit the series all together.
Well, I've seen both, and while there are benefits to both, I won't condemn either.
What I WILL condemn, is the brotherhood take on Liore.
It did not get enough time to develop, and rose's involvement and thematic importance was downplayed.
I feel that of all things which both series did, 2003 did Liore better.
(Brotherhood didn't include things like a wine fountain, which somewhat shows the things real people might follow somebody for.
Reasons why Brotherhood wins:
1. It has Olivier Mira Armstrong
2. It has Ling Yao
3. It has Ling Yao and Greed fused together
4. It has May, Lan Fan and Fu
5. It has Scar's redemption arc
6. It has Selim Bradley as a homunculus
7. It has Ed×Winry
8. It has a cringy yet super cute alchemist-like proposal at the end
9. It has a way much better ending
10. It has Bradley take on an entire platoon, a tank, greed, fu and most importantly captain buccaneer.
11. Also the fates of the homunculus in FMAB is pretty ironic
@@emriksjliemoe1431 true true
No apple pie scene :(
Nah FMA has better animation as it should be since eps are the next lvl to manga so it should fit the part and not look like DBZ Super as brotherhood does, scar looks like a meme in brotherhood as well as most of brotherhood characters, in FMA the voice actors are way better than the cheap bootleg voice actors that's in brotherhood, also FMA looks soo much darker, which fits this anime while FMAB is all bright and sunny even though this is supposed to be a dark anime. I tell ya using the same logic of people that say brotherhood is better would mean that dbz super is better than dbz and that titans go is better than Teen Titans and we all know that's a lie. I can just imagine a derpy face Itachi in a remake for naruto, oh the cringe, shoot from now on the chibi attack on titans is better than the real show lol
The ending is a piece of trash
I think FMA:B is better but I will always recommend for people to watch FMA first because:
1. FMA spends more time building the characters. You don't quite get the full understanding of the world if you dive into FMA:B first.
2. People who watch FMA will almost always go onto FMA:B after but most who watch FMA:B first wont bother going back to FMA because it retreads some ground. It means less FMA and that's always a bad thing.
I also feel like both series' should be watched but I always recommend Brotherhood, simply because if you have to recommend FMA to someone, chances are they aren't an anime fan. Most anime fans don't need the recommendation. And if they aren't a fan, chances are that they'll only watch one of the two shows. So it may as well be the better one. That's how I see it.
There was more development with Maes Hughes in FMA, also I felt more traumatised with Nina’s corpse painted on the wall in the original series
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I'd think the 2003 ed was a little more human because he was 12 when it happend. Of course he is mad and because he is a child, he is going to act like one
J Ansems his LITTLE brother was more mature than him- but ok also in brotherhood he still remembers Nina till the end lol never ending mentioning that “I couldn’t even save a little girl and their dog”
@@anahiisbeast2878 Al was always characterized as more calm and level headed than Edward who was the much more emotional of them so both their reactions still make sense to me.
in brotherhood he is 15
Ed is 12 in the original they wanted to make ed like a child,while in brotherhood ed is 17 and its based off the manga
@TehR3alNoob No. Brotherhood follows the manga.
FMA diverged from the manga and made it's own story, which upset the manga fans. So, years later, FMA got remade as FMAB which actually follows the manga.
But, also, JayBoy1987 is wrong. Ed was 15-16 throughout most of Brotherhood.
@@Gwesster Fun fact: The author worked with the story in FMA different from what she wrote. But she's thankful for both FMA and FMA:Brotherhood.
@TehR3alNoob no the manga was ending when brotherhood was announced
He is actually 15 in the early episodes of brotherhood. I think the characters grew a lot through the entire series
In brotherhood he's 15, not 17. But yeah
Having watched both series multiple times and reading the manga I can tell you FMA is not your typical anime and isn't really trying to be. Brotherhood has better action scenes and is a little more over the top in terms of characters and plot (It takes your standard anime protocol). FMA is more of a drama, its more down to earth and takes its time dealing with issues pertaining to the main characters. They build up for emotional moments, how ed (who is still a child btw) deals with his problems & specific twists. There isn't some over powered villain, FMA sets up the most petty reason to kill thousands of people to make a philosophers stone. Its original, and adds weight, also the story at the end adds the dramatic twist that shows how truely horrific alchemy is in terms of where that energy to use alchemy comes from. If you are looking for an action packed typical anime with a decent story but ends exactly how you expect it would then Brotherhood is for you. If you are looking for more of a slow burn emotional drama with a different take on anime then FMA is the way to go.
That's a pretty good way of describing it.
For me the first half of FMA is better than the first third of Brotherhood, the middle of Brotherhood is fun and expands the world more than FMA, but I still like the pacing of FMA better. And then the ending for Brotherhood is rather standard for most anime, but it ends with a nice neat bow tied and everything makes sense. However, I also really loved the scenes of the coup from the first anime and I also like that they went away with some battle scars that couldn't be healed in the end. Ed and Al were split apart, Mustang lost only one eye, but he lost it for good, etc. Which really showed that they understand now what they didn't at the start of their journey - there are some things you simply must live with, no matter how hard that may be.
Looking back at it, while FMAB had some spectacular animation, it really wasn't your typical battle shonen anime and was really more plot focused and less focused on the fights. I'd put it in the same genre of shonen as soul eater although a million blocks above.
True though. I liked both honestly. Brotherhood plot was better to me, but now that you say it, it really is the standard thing. Im usually more into authentic stuff, so idk why i liked brotherhoods plot better,now i dont know what to think hahaha. But anyways they are both amazing! I kinda wish FMA was bigger on the ending events, and went a little bit more in depht with the ending and main plot, and that Brotherhood was bigger on the beguinning, showing the beauty and emotion like FMA did, it was too quick. They could be absolutely perfect in their own way if we had full view of every aspect and not just the ones the choose do show.
By the way, yours is the best comment i read.
What you said here is pretty much this: "You anime weebs who have shity taste go watch FMA:B and you who like quality, originality and a more mature show without overacting scenes like most animes have go watch FMA 03... And you are right my friend, you just put it pleasantly.
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2016: Meh
2017: Nah
2018: Eh...
2019: *Ohh hey Check this out!*
Fr tho
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Need to wait till 2020
I feel like fma's ed felt more like he should. A kid way in over his head who didn't know the dark truths of the state alchemists. Cause thats what ed is. A kid. He's not meant to be mature even if he acts like it
Saikurios I agree that’s what the original did better in my opinion
Nah man I completely disagree, if you paid attention to the show one of the biggest arguments was that pain was the greatest teacher but to live you had to make it through the pain and endure it, it’s kind of like when fathers leave moms to raise kids alone because they are going through tough times and decide to run away like for example debt. The lesson is about instead of groveling in the pain to endure it and move forward looking for a better tomorrow, that’s reinforced by Ed’s and Als journey to recover their bodies, when you think about it they really have unironicly gone through hell. This pain that they took in and accepted about the dead staying dead is one part of it, but they always look for ways to move forward on what can be done and what they still have. If pain is the biggest teacher and moving through it and enduring it is the way to understand its lessons, it is only natural that they are way more mature then the average kid, and I don’t even know if I can say kid because by the end of the show he has already grown up quite a bit. There are probably kids around other world because they are more unfortunate then you and I, have many more perspectives and understanding on certain aspects of life.
Playing like a dam fidle I don’t understand. I don’t think you can argue for show themes. FMA is about learning to live with your failures, finding the truth even if it’s worse then what you know, and what makes us human. I personally think FMAB is a bad show, so I don’t really know it’s themes, but I don’t think we can argue for themes if they are completely different.
@@goastlyarrowplays if you don't know then of course you wont understand...
Playing like a dam fidle not entirely I’ve watched the show before if someone points them out then you would understand. I said I didn’t understand how you are able to compare shows themes when those themes are completely different. I know for a fact that the themes are different because there’s no questions in brotherhood about what makes someone human, and brotherhood never proves equivalent exchange to be false unlike FMA.
I like FMAB more personally. FMA has its perks such as Lust’s character but FMAB felt more enjoyable on the whole to me.
Oh, Brotherhood is definitely a better put together series, but I prefer the original for one simple reason. Tone.
The scene from Brotherhood in the very beginning of the video is a perfect example of what I mean. After being pulled into it, Ed busts open the gate and forces his way back into the white void to make a promise to Alphonse. Very badass, yes. But that's the thing. I don't like that. Ed forces the gate open while the tendril arm things wrap around him, seemingly incapable of pulling this human back without exerting more power to subdue him. That bothers me. It's pretty weaksauce for this alien entity to have to struggle with a mere human. 2003 was very different in the way anything to do with the gate was dealt with.
Take 13:49 where Izumi is making her pact with the gate to bring her child back. The gate is an unspeaking, incomprehensible entity that oozes an aura of DREAD. It makes alchemy TERRIFYING. Something not to fuck with. Every instance of the gate in the old anime is an unsettling encounter. There is no dickish mouthpiece to have a dialogue with, like the "Truth" in Brotherhood. Everything about the gate and alchemy in general is so much more threatening in the 2003 series. I like my FMA to be melodramatic, somber and at times, terrifying.
Brotherhood has, overall, such a triumphant feel throughout. Even in their lowest points, you kind of get this feeling that it's all going to be alright while 2003 wallows in misery and makes victories hard won and a lot of the time not even letting them feel like victories. There are so few happy endings in the original, if any. Even the end Shambala is a bit of a downer when you consider that Ed and Al will never see their old friends again. While Brotherhood leaves you off with "And then Ed and Winry had a gazillion babies."
It's all a question of taste and if we're talking purely the quality of animation, pacing and storyflow, then Brotherhood will beat 2003 any day. But those few direction choices in the original make it so much more serious and interesting that I can't with a good conscience give Brotherhood preference in my heart over the original. I just love that somber stuff so much. All the war crime stuff, alchemical misery and actual, factual GENOCIDE. Goddamn that's horrifying! I LOVE IT!
I agree. Brotherhood is like the perfection of the shounen genre, but FMA is something more unique that stands on its own. It has been a while since I've watched the original series (or brotherhood for that matter) but I am rewatching it now about 20 episodes in so far. The pacing is definitely a strong point. The filler episodes reveal more of Ed and Al's character and the original does a better job at fleshing out more characters in general I feel. They also sometimes have pretty good foreshadowing for later more serious episodes.
I remember loving the ending but don't remember a whole lot about it, so I am excited to get back to it.
Counterpoint: fighting God to yell at your brother just a little bit longer is Prime Big Brother Energy.
Tbh I personally just prefer Manga and Brotherhood. I find the darker tone of 03 a bit off putting, whereas Mangahood has this underlying theme of hope. That's not to say that Mangahood is all sunshine and rainbows, oh no. Also the humor and seriousness finds the perfect, delicate balance that isn't quite there in 03 and feels like it was replaced with this almost pointless melodrama, but that is subjective.
are we forgetting how ED AND AL’S MOM IS A HOMONCULOS in fma
Matmon WHAT
what
ON GOD
Liquid bitch
WHA- oh liquid lady. Don’t think that was their actual mother but damn. Forgot about that.
Funny thing is, the core of the first 2-3 chapters of manga was never adapted appropriately in either. Actually this is quite sad, the core of it is quite damn good.
What are the differences?
Yeah, I read the first 3 volumes of the manga and started Brotherhood because manga just is not something you can get easily here, and I was kinda disappointed that the Yoki arc didn't happen, just was kinda mentioned.
You completely missed vital points like how Greed's death affect's Edward's philosophy in 2003. In Broho, he doesn't kill and never has to--basically he's a Kantian Ethics hero. 2003, has him kill unintentionally and that drastically shifts his viewpoints at the end. He becomes noticeably more cynical when dealing with people. It has great consequences for the tone, character and themes. When you dismissed the importance of Greed's death in 2003--and that's just one example--I kinda' knew you didn't really watch the show intensively. That's okay. But you're not prepared to do a proper comparison without fully examining the themes and how they channel themselves into the characterization and narrative. I also think your analysis overall was largely superficial--to be frank. Cherry picking certain lines and their delivery is cheap rhetoric. The comparison with Alphonse's reaction after Ed almost gives up is entirely pointless IMO. I could do the same, but reverse to any smaller aspects. I DO think it's a small difference. I personally prefer the 2003 one too, it's a bit more solemn.
And you complained that Edward was acting like a *_child_* in 2003 (he's 12 there.) Hehehe.
+GoatJesus hehehe this, the main characters in fma:b in general seem much shallower I remember dropping fma:b several times after watching the original, it was only like 2 years after not seeing the original that I was able to watch fma:b and that was after skipping all the shit that was covered in the original lest I drop it again.
luckily I am able to partition off all the data from the original when I watched fma:b
one of the times I dropped it(I remember this clearly) was due to the church scene with rose. in the original ed is informed that rose wants to bring back her boyfriend, thus he and we the viewers know the reason to why rose was so devout, further we know that ed knows the reason to why she is so devout, and thus when he confronts her in the church, it speaks to deeper feelings he has on the subject, a new viewer would know something is up and ed clearly does not like the thought of bringing back the dead for whatever reason. when I first watched the anime that scene was the one that hooked me.
fma:b fucking botched that shit so bad. in it we did not get the scene with the lady informing ed on roses boyfriend instead we get a scene that seems completely random and contrived:
ed walks in the church and asks rose "do you think dead people can be brought to life?" out of nowhere. leaving one to think: why did he ask her this? who knows? maybe ed is bipolar?
just thinking about it makes my blood boil. how anyone could say fma:b is remotely better than fma is beyond me.
but I think the main reason to why I am reply to you is because I want you to concede that the climax in erased is coherent.
Jacob Paprotskiy LOL is Erased seriously the reason you commented? Lmao. I think we need to define "coherent" in this case before I'm willing to agree. xD BUT REALLY, I don't think it matters at all!! I have one more video about Erased coming out, which is basically just a giant excuse to talk about other shows/movies. So yeah.
But I agree with everything stated here about 2003 vs Broho. Broho actually completely botched the manga's version of the Lior plot--even adding dumbass elements like the priest turning into a giant so they could have a crap action sequence divorced from the original episodes of FMA.
+GoatJesus well I define coherent as making sense given the context. I was thinking about my comment that you did not reply to in another thread. I kinda wanted to see if you had any objections to my logic.
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+GoatJesus Ditto. And honestly, I almost disagreed on every point he made, especially his point on Scar which was just. . . laughable.
The main reason i like the original more is because they go into way more depth with each and every scene. Also its hard for me to really give brotherhood props when in reality if you didnt watch the original the viewer would be either confused at who X person is or why they are doing or acting the way they do UNLESS you already watched the original which is kind of lame tbh
FMAB hands down gave the greatest homunculus ever created name's Greed
omg greed is my favourite, he has so much spunk and development and i got so excited whenever he was on screen *sobs in episode 63*
envy is for my opinion the best homunculus, the fma envy btw
@@paulohernandez649 Envy is great
I'm happy that they made two different storys. That means more Fullmetal alchemist for me😍😍
Both shows have their strengths.
The original:
- Better villains (Dante and the Homunculus)
- Darker than Brotherhood, and overall just feels more realistic
- Better soundtrack
- A very unpredictable story
Brotherhood:
- Story is overall told better with less plot holes and loose ends
- Better animation (duh)
- Better fight scenes
- Funnier than the original
- Ending feels more complete and satisfying
- Better heroes (The Elrics, Winry, Mustang, etc.)
It's pretty close, but in the end I'd say Brotherhood is the overall better show. Both are amazing though, and definitely in my top 5 anime of all time (which is saying a lot).
i think that brotherhood has too much unneeded comedy and that ugly art style, what is not a plus.
And I dont think that Brotherhood has better animation. The faces look more....smooth, i guess, but often it just bothered me.
Wlof25 I guess which art style is better is subjective, but to me (and seemingly most people), Brotherhood has the better art style.
McCrillis Nsiah If you really think the original beats the manga and 2009 anime in "every single way", I don't really see any point in trying to convince you otherwise.
McCrillis Nsiah God, your entire response is just dripping with snide self-righteousness. Enjoy the original all you want, but spare me this attitude. Brotherhood is not childish, nor is the original that much "deeper". Get your head out of your ass, you are not the connoisseur you think you are.
McCrillis Nsiah Do you honestly expect me to read the fucking book you just sent me? I honestly just find it funny that you're so butthurt that I appreciate both shows instead of just one. The fact that you care enough to spend this much time on Christmas Eve writing some shitty text about a fictional character says a lot about what kind of person you are. What a sad life you must live.
I like both series, I really do, but I find the Brotherhood series to be better but I think it's mostly 'cuz they had the whole story to work with.... this gave less character to for example Izumi, but it gave a more fleshed out Ed and Al as a whole and honestly I can live with that....
The problem the original series had was that it didn't have all the pieces to the puzzle, of course it won't make the whole picture then, they created a masterpiece with what they could use and did a pretty bang up job with it too, Brotherhood does however have a more understandable story and better animation I feel
Again, massive fan of both and I feel both are worth watching
I like the older version better
Mizuki San same, probably my favorite anime of all time
FMAB - More complete overall
FMA - More soul & Passion but incomplete because the manga wasn't finished or whatever
If FMA merged and continued on with everything else needed found in FMAB. It would win hands down. The actors just had more passion in their voices and I preferred his lil brother voice actor way more
FlukeyKent if it had done that, Brotherhood wouldn’t even have existed.
@@linkadez3373 Both main protagonist were voiced by the same actors if we are talking about the subbed version. I don't know about the dubbed.
@@JaydevRaol I believe dubbed are same voice actors too.
Fma was just better the main plot with father in brotherhood and the manga was stupid as hell.
@@tatsuhirosatou5513 Wow, you're a complete fucking idiot. You disgust me, you little shit.
7:37 I think you have to realise that the boys are actually just children. Just brothers. They were not ready for anything that life threw at them and them having normal, very human and raw reactions just leaves you relating to them so much more. I actually think that this is where Brotherhood lacks because it's focused on building side characters so much (which is not a bad thing) that it leaves the main characters' relationship, which should be the focal point, hanging in some ways.
I don't get how people can complain about Ed or Al experiencing trauma/depression/anxiety. These are young boys, barely even teenagers, who have been through levels of hell normal people can't even fathom. Alphonse has always been more inclined to talk than fight, so of course he'd at least consider the possibility that he's fake (all the more so since he's so young), and when Ed resigned as a State Alchemist, I don't believe he ever said anything about giving up on restoring their bodies. They would have simply looked for other options, just like they did when they found out the truth about Philosopher's Stones.
I personally think the Shao Tucker arc is handled waaaaaaaaay better in the original, but that's just my opinion, great video!
That’s not just your opinion. It flat out is handled better. Skipping both the train episode and the mine episode was a huge, HUGE, mistake on Brotherhood’s part because the Nina episode happens way too fucking early for it to have a proper emotional impact on the viewer. If you ignore the filler episode and the backstory episode, it’s only the SECOND canon episode in the anime that takes place in the present. You don’t make something so depressing happen in just the second episode of Shounen anime.
Studley D. Muffin they could've easily gone with more episodes and it would've helped out the show even more
I agree completely that Shao Tucker was much better in the original.
They spent a lot more time on those early encounters with people at the start of the story in the first series. But they condensed the beginning down for the second series... I'm assuming because people would already have known it from seeing the first one, as the first one was fairly accurate to the manga in the beginning. I didn't like how they shortened that whole thing in general. I was way more emotionally attached to Nina and to Hughes in the first series and I'm pretty sure the pacing had a lot to do with it.
Tecnically, the original is Brotherhood because is the manga adaptation...
My opnion on this is simple:
The first few episodes, up until around hughes death... Have been rushed - especially Hughes as a whole... In Brotherhood.
Aside from that, I prefer Brotherhood. The funny thing is: I think the original series, cut the filler, was pretty good. I liked it a lot - it's how I got into fma.
I watched the original anime->read the manga->Watched Brotherhood(Which is basically the same as the manga).
And something as good as the original anime is worse than Brotherhood. Just shows how good it really is.
"I've never watched the original" What a great way to start a review.
Ari Technically he does say “I’ve never watched the original” at 0:58
it's not a review lol
It's funny how cleaving these 2 animes are. I think it can be explained by the fact that you have to start somewhere, and the first version you watch shape the universe and characters in your mind. I for one started with FMAB and after that FMA just felt... off. There is that episode where Ed kills a dude and it's never mentionned again, for me it was such a betrayal of the character it pissed me off a bit. FMA also spend a lot of time on the Tucker family and on Hughes but, in the end, it doesn't really bring anything more to the table. I was just as attached to Nina in FMAB than in FMA and, worse, Hughes wasn't as likeable in FMA and kind of annoying a few times. Also his early death in FMAB really set a atmosphere of danger for all the secondary characters. Anyway I could go for hours like that, but the point is, FMA and FMAB are both incredibly powerful animes that are, at the same time, too similar and too distinct for their own mutual good.
I agree with you--however, I started with FMA and then watched FMAB later. I greatly prefer FMAB, so I'm not sure if it's really based on which one you watched first.
I'm not trying to discredit the people who prefer FMA over FMAB, but honestly I feel like most of them just didn't watch all of FMAB. Most people that finish FMAB rant and rave about how good it is. FMAB is one of the most highly acclaimed anime of all time.
@@Gwesster Started with FMA03, and definitely prefer it. But it's probably more of a preference thing than which one you start with. That said, they're both great.
I disagree with your points. Wow.
@@Gwesster I prefer the original and I think why some people prefer the original not because they haven't watched fmab, it's because fma is much more emotion driven than fmab. Fmab felt like shounen, which it was it is supposed to be, but fma felt more like a sinister drama with some shounen elements. Both are great though, but i prefer the more emotional moments in fma, though it could be that have a bias sinced i watched fma first, though I watched fmab directly after it.
@@-.heaven.- personally I found them both to be incredibly emotional and cried during both of them (yeah I'm a crybaby lol) but for different reasons and at different points... I feel like FMAB is the optimistic younger brother that lives up to his parents hopes and dreams while FMA is the nihilistic older brother that charted his own path for better or for worse.
I get what you mean by "sinister drama" and "emotion driven", but personally I felt that that they were both emotion driven sinister drama especially with the master plan in FMAB being to sacrifice the entire country... I think what you're picking up on is more about the overall tone rather than what drives it. FMA is darker whereas FMAB is lighter, and this even cascades into the endings--FMA doesn't exactly end "happily ever after" for the main cast whereas FMAB mostly does. Both shows have a lot of death and cosmic horror, but I think the key difference is just FMA being a bit on the darker side.
That being said, I completely respect your opinion even if I disagree with it! Your stance is perfectly valid even if I think differently
The episodes in the beginning about the stone turning into gold, actually exists in the manga, but for some reason they've cut it. I think they expected anyone who start FMA:B already has watched the FMA and have read the manga too.
One or the other.
They do slip in a line about Ed turning yoki in early on, and he does get his self aggrandizing flashback/silent film.
But yes, we missed an opportunity to have Ed look clever!
That's what I figured too. In the original anime they went more in depth about Ed and Al's mother, and so on and so forth in the beginning episodes. In brotherhood they kinda rushed the intro and I figured it was because they already expect that majority of people who watch brotherhood already saw the original. So there wasn't a need to drag it out and instead get straight to the point.
Brotherhood ended up cutting a lot of the early stuff to make more room in the budget and timeline for later stuff, which, while it sucks they had to do it, I think it was the better decision, especially since a lot of the early stuff had already been adapted before.
Honestly I like them both for different reasons. With FMA its how dark the plot can can get and with FMAB how good the ending is as well as LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING!!!!!!!!!
I think you're forgetting a couple things about FMA and I think I'd like to express them here:
Edward was an 11/12 year old kid when Nina died. An orphaned, amputee, kid who can't trust adults to be good adults because they are morally corrupt (Basque Grand/Tucker), manipulate (Mustang) and ignore (Havoc) him and his feelings. They tell him to buck up when a girl he spent MONTHS getting to know, forming strong feelings of companionship and adoration for died because her father of all people forced her into being a science experiment to further his own career. Of course he's gonna be "a bitch" about it because this was much more than the-girl-I-knew-for-a-day-or-two-died-because-of-her-father-and-my-greatest-talent, this was my-friend-died-because-I-didn't-realize-her-father-was-a-sociopath-and-I've-been-living-with-the-guy-for-months!
Also, Alphonse is 14, the only soul bound being he knows is himself, he knows very little about his situation, he trusts adults a lot easier than his brother does-and suddenly there's this guy in the same potion as him declaring "You might not even be real, you know" like it's no big deal, as if he's meant to know that. And he doesn't because Alphonse knows he trusts too easily, he knows there are people he should remember but can't (from when Ed was having his arm fixed in Resembool, he saw an old friend but didn't recognize her), so of course he's gonna question his existence because what if it's true? He's already more insecure about his body than any other teenage boy in the world, he doesn't need to know that it might be proof he was never real in the first place, but because a fellow suit of armour said that he's gonna consider it a possibility because he doesn't know anything.
And will you please, REMEMBER THAT WINRY IS 15 AS WELL! A 15 YEAR OLD GIRL WHO'S PASSION THAT SHE IS PROBABLY DISLIKED AND DISCRIMINATED AGAINST FOR LOVING ("Girls can't be mechanics!" "I guess working Automail makes me a bit more muscled than the average girl.") WAS JUST USED TO COMMIT AN ACT OF CHEATING COMBINED WITH THE ONE THING THAT SHE CAN'T UNDERSTAND AND IS MADE TO FEEL STUPID FOR BY HER FRIEND-ALCHEMY! Can you really blame her for acting that way when, sure, her parents are dead, but she hasn't confronted their killer directly, she hasn't forgiven him (yet), SHE HASN'T BEEN THROUGH ANYTHING AS TRAUMATIC AS THE BOYS HAVE, JUST BECAUSE SHE'S A GIRL WHO'S GOING THROUGH PUBERTY DOESN'T MEAN SHE HAS TO ACT MATURE!
Sure, Brotherhood's got plot, action, better Scar, Oliver, the Xingese and all those shenanigans. But FMA is a CHARACTER DRIVEN story that is about the people in it, rather than what those people are doing. It is about them and their relationships, them and their struggles (weather they be with their age, events in their life or actions of other people), them and their lives.
And on that note, I will take my leave.
McCrillis Nsiah why do you think FMAB doesn't have better Scar?
You know, you're right. Now that I actually think about it, 03 Scar had a lot more character to him.
Yeah, I hear everything you're saying with 03 Scar and Mustang, it was definitely better in that regard.
And no offence intended, but I think you need to give Arakawa a little more credit. She and the manga was the reason either Anime ever existed and while I agree with you that the 2003 adaptation was a lot more emotional and hit home really hard, the Manga wasn't completely horrible either.
Me personally, I love action and comedic Animes and that's why I love Brotherhood as much as 2003. Nina is remembered to the very end of everything and is the reason the Elrics go on to another adventure at the end of the Manga (I don't remember hearing anything about Nina in the Movie or Episode 51). Also, Greed, I loved Greed in Brotherhood I just wish he'd been able to survive.
I'm not trying to tell you how you should feel and if you wanna use the word "hate" you can. I just personally think it's a very strong word to use.
I guess you're right.
Hey, we can all get a little carried away when something we're passionate about it being dissed. And it's partly their fault for getting upset and getting you upset in turn. I mean, that's how arguments work, right?
I believe that FMA definitely had more of an emotional appeal considering the Elric brother’s failed attempt at human transmutation was a homunculus similar to their mother. Seeing how they had to deal with sloth and the emotional effects it had on Edward and Alphonse truly made FMA better in my opinion.
Notor your name is to Long I well call you not
I Love Brotherhood Way Better but I do love Things From FMA not Gonna to Lie but I just Think I know Brotherhood Is better but I hope you really Had watch Brother not Saying you didn't
The best way to put it into perspective in my opinion is that classic fma to brotherhood is like Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy to Marvel's cinematic universe. If you think about it, this analogy makes sense. So depending on which of those a person enjoys more is also the fma they'd most likely prefer as well.
FMA:B is totally GoTG then.
If FMA 2003 is like Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy. (DC Comics)
Maybe FMA B is just a Suicide Squad, or a : Martha, Martha, the name of my mommy is Marthaaaa. (DC Comics)
or
If FMA 2003 is like Winter Soldier/Civil War/Infinity War. (Marvel)
Maybe FMA B is just a Fantastic Four(1994)/Ghost Rider 2/Howard the Duck. (Marvel)
P.S : Me , ua-cam.com/video/K53B4x1SAGg/v-deo.html , when someone tells me that fmaB is better than Fullmetal Alchemist 2003.
@@fredericjuliard4261 Nah, fmab is more like Avengers: a large cast of diverse characters, funny mixed with some dark moments, a big final battle at the end.
@@UmTois ;), just joking , everybody love what they want. Scientists have proved that those who love FmaB also love Boku no Pico and that's great ... maybe... i think....perhaps...
This was super biased, but appreciate you making the video.
Didn't FMA HAVE to diverge from the manga? I remember seeing somewhere that FMA started when the manga was still going on. Hence some fillers but still the same plot with Hughes and Nina and Barry's armour but the two totally different endings. Sorta what I hear GoT had to do.
That and Arakawa ASKED for the endings to be different in the first place.
twimatt did you skip the first part of the video
Did you even watch the first 2 mins of the video?
I actually don’t mind Ed in FMA. I think him going through the fits remind me more that he is a kid. I think he actually starts off younger in FMA. Like the though whole Nina part of the story, Ed is only 12 and I think Barry the Chopper scene too he was still only just 12. To me it seems more realistic because for as much as he trying to act mature. He still a kid and isn’t going to pull that off perfectly and the stress got to him. I think seeing it from that perspective fits. And him almost giving everything up sorta make sense because he’s a 12 year whole just witness military corruption, inhuman experiments, and then he and his childhood friend almost get immediately murdered. Life of being apart of the military all of a sudden hit him in the face and he wasn’t prepared for it. I do think Alphonse was handled a bit better in brotherhood. His temper seemed less fitting. Alphonse always felt more level headed despite being younger I think because he had Ed to follow.
I also don’t mind the filler because I get to know some of the characters better and feel like I get to go on a trip with Ed and Al instead of worrying about the plot. I think when pairing the two series together. You get a fun experience. You get the better plot from watching brotherhood. But then you get to relax and watch the character go on adventures more in FMA. Which is why I love both equally. Certain elements I like more in brotherhood and then there certain elements I like more in FMA.
I think Bote Edward Are the same Ages but maybe I met be wrong but you can't lie he was mean to his Brother Still and Trying to just Gave up that Fast or looking for his brother body I get it a little girl dead but what about your little brother but I get what you trying to say 👍
@@SullivanDLuffyno, in FMA Ed hasn’t taken the state alchemy exam yet, in FMAB he has taken the exam and has already established himself as the alchemist of the people. so they are a couple years apart on when the event happens
@@SullivanDLuffyhe never said he was giving up on restoring their bodies. Just on being a state alchemist.
I totally agree with your first words. Olivier Armstrong is my fav character.
Really? I think she's a complete bitch. She thinks that compassion is weakness and thus she sees her brother, a man who only stopped fighting when he couldn't take part in a literal plot to slaughter innocent men, women and children to be a soft coward. What little she shows, she gives to her obedient lapdogs or the vindictive religious sociopath (Scar).
Going back to her brother, she still sees him as weak, even after he saved her ass against Sloth, someone she needed help to fight both times they met. It is sickening how she acts towards the Major, one of the best characters in the series: he is comedic, yet serious. He shows he cares for people and would help anyone in need. The man would personally give you the coat on his back (regardless if you want him to or not), and she has the... ovaries(?) to treat him like trash!
She treated Al and Ed like enemies or prisoners and effectively has her own army, loyal only to her. They didn't bat an eye at overthrowing Amestris! She hears about Alkahestry and wants to exploit it.
And I get it, she is the hard as nails character that takes no sh*t. But there has to be something that should make me give a sh*t if I am going to think of her as anything other than a bitch! She has a respect moment at the end of the series... but with Scar, a sociopath that killed several state Alchemists and an innocent little girl, not her own brother who saved her ass from the monster sized Homunculous. She doesn't even let him back into the family house!
Point is, I would not object to her going one on one with Pride, Envy, Scar, Izumi or whoever she is out of her league against and I hope there's enough to bury so I can dance on her grave.
Michael Iv
Lmao, what are you even saying ? All characters in Brootherhood have both their actual, complex personality traits, opinions and ways to act in serious moments, and exaggerated versions of those same characteristics, mostly for comedy, in other scenes, and you can make any character look bad and have as much depth as Gluttony if you only give attention to those scenes and don't like the specific trope they represent.
Edward becomes a whiny asshole, Alphonse goes from sweet and kind to stupid, Hughes' personality is ''father and husband'', Mustang is nothing but egocentric and bossy, Hawkeye doesn't know what emotions are, Izumi is a terrifying monster that wants to kill everyone but her husband, *AND ALEX LOUIS ARMSTRONG IS THE MOST OBNOXIOUS HUMAN ALIVE, AND CAN DO NOTHING BUT SUMMON PURPLE STARS NEAR HIS FACE, POSE, CREATE SCULPTURES OF HIMSELF WITH ALCHEMY AND SAY HIS OWN NAME* . But those characters are way more than that, aren't they ?
I mean, just think about two scenes that involve the two Armstrongs: the one where Olivier beats the shit out of Alex while yelling how weak he is, and the one where he throws himself in front of Sloth to save her and everything that happens after that, including her smile, looking up to him, proud of how strong her brother is. Do you honestly think that both versions of those characters are interchangeable in those scenes, or rather that the writers just wanted to have fun with exaggerated versions of them in scenes that weren't too relevant for the plot ? It's just like the running gag of calling Edward a ''pipsqueak'', look how he reacts to it in the last battles of the anime, in comparisson to the beginning.
Michael Iv I get what you’re saying but let’s be honest. All comic exaggeration aside it is understandable that a certain type of aggressive personality would be needed to be a general at Briggs. If her character acted like Alex or someone else the story wouldn’t be as convincing.
L C Frederick All I'm asking is for SOME normal human decency
Just a brazilian geek that doesn't have enough creativity to create an interesting name "complex personalities"
Also, Winery sucks in FMA being more passive, emotional, and a plot point for the brothers to save and protect. In Brotherhood she's tough, necessary and useful part of the team, and she's the only one who gives then the shit they deserve when they need it
Thank! You! In the 2003 series, Winry isn't treated with much respect.
Karina Kamichi your really reaching here.
I prefer Brotherhood Winry. I love how Winry is an inspiration for Ed through her devotion to helping people through her passion for automail and how Winry taught herself from her parents' medical books. It's cool since it gives her dedication to her craft more weight. And I like how the brothers respect Winry and when Winry makes up her mind to do something they don't act like she's not capable of making her own choices. That and when Al accused Ed of fabricating his memories Winry was the one who kept things together by making Al realize how absurd and hurtful he was being to Ed. She really got a chance to shine in showing how well she understands the Elrics and how much she cares when it brings her to tears seeing Ed devastated by Al saying something like that. I just love hope important she is in FMAB.
At Briggs when Kimblee was using Winry as a hostage/damsel to keep the brothers in line. Winry turned that plan on it's head and used her "hostage" status against Kimblee. I thought it was brilliant. And I love seeing Winry confront her parents' killer face to face. I always hated how in FMA03 when Mustang had her cuffed and she just confronted him in a passive aggressive fashion, it felt really wrong and unfitting for it to be all about Roy.
I like Winry in FMA03 because her personality is very much the same as FMAB/manga Winry, but what sucks about FMA03!Winry she is not treated with much respect at all from the brothers. They always tell her to stay out of things and I don't get the impression they really valued her presence as much. In FMAB you can tell how much Ed and Al care about her and how she left her mark on Ed and the way he sees the world through his view of her helping bring life and help people as a regular human being inspires him.
Karina Kamichi I love you
Eh. She was annoying in the original and Brotherhood. She was useful and was like the backbone for Ed and Al, but she was also too emotional for little to no reasons. Like being mad at Ed for using alchemy during that arm wrestling contest. That wasn't a reason to be mad, especially since his opponent was cheating and he already knew.
Nice to see someone give both series their due here. Far too often I see people just go "The old FMA didn't follow the manga therefore it is absolute horseshit". And it's like, yeah, I consider Brotherhood the stronger series overall, but come on, the first anime had SOME good aspects! Like a stronger start. Or an overall superior soundtrack.
FMA regardless of better or not, WAS the first, we love shintetsu because of this first one
I hate that statement about it because it couldn't follow the manga, as it caught up with it.
I just really liked Dante.
I really liked fma 2003, less than fmab, mostly because of characters, but I honestly really preferred the ending in fma2003 than fmab. For some reason I like that openish ending than the giant transmutation circle in fmab, it's a bit darker, more thought provoking for a 13 to 17 year old, that after watching a whole series thinking alchemy is so cool, it was actually causing real harm to people elsewhere. Idk it struck me more when I watched it the first time long ago, compared to fmab (which I had seen earlier)
Lord Starfish Omg the soundtrack! Pure beauty!!!
Brotherhood has more jokes about how useless mustang is on rainy days
*Brotherhood* *wins*
“I LOVE DOGS!”
“TINY MINISKIRTS!”
And the entirety of that episode about Mustang and his capital gang.
*Mustang Wins*
There's a lot to love about both series. I've always personally felt that it's clearer that Brotherhood comes from a complete already-written manga story because the underlying plot was a huge strength for me. Of course, the overall concept is similar between the two series, but I just felt personally that Brotherhood's ended up containing a lot of really amazing layers and interesting philosophical aspects tying in the antagonists and Hohenheim and also seemed to focus more on the military/political intrigue.
On the other hand, I really agree with what people are saying about how FMA's plot was much more character-driven with a heavier focus on the development of our protagonists and most of the other characters as well.One of the most fascinating things was the connection between the homunculi and failed transmutations, especially with their mom. Similarly, I also felt the moments with Nina, Hughes, and other striking emotional moments were really well executed by the original, but I can't help but wonder if that's because I saw it first and by default already knowing what's coming undercuts the tension? That probably is part of it, but the original definitely spent more time displaying the effects those events had on the characters and the long-term trauma associated with it. There were a lot of stark and even straight up depressing moments in FMA where already jaded Ed and Al are faced with even more of humanity's ugliness and cruelty and I felt the way these events affected them were a lot more grounded in reality and also age-appropriate to them being straight-up children. Also I will always love the alchemist exam moment where Edward turns everything into flower petals it's a beautiful scene fight me :D
When I first saw FMA's ending and watched the movie, I remember being really unhappy about it because I hated to think that they ended up separated from their world in what seemed an out of place and really strange divergence, but even though I prefer the final arc of Brotherhood, I have come to appreciate the really interesting and atypical nature of FMA's ending over what was otherwise kind of a typical happy ending, though Ed sacrificing his abilities was a really interesting conclusion to his character arc. Ultimately, it showcased another of FMA's strengths in being a different experience than the typical anime which is something I loved about it.
I also personally really enjoyed the fillers, hilarious ones like flame vs full metal which I literally downloaded on my iPod and watched a billion times and where Roy's team follows him around and documents his every move were not just fun comedy breaks in the series but also added more and more to the characters. Interesting tie-ins also like Barry the chopper, the fake Elric brothers, etc were also I felt just as strong as the original content and at the time, I couldn't really tell that there was a difference aside from the fact that it wasn't necessarily part of the main plot.
Basically, I can't help but wonder how we would feel about each series if we didn't have to watch one after the other or for those of us who had read the manga already. While no doubt the emotions and characters would fall short in watching Brotherhood as an independent show when we don't already have the emotions connected with FMA to fall back on, the really fascinating and deep plot of Brotherhood that showcased what the original story creator wanted to make with the world she created, as well as some of the fan favorite characters exclusive to manga/Brotherhood would also be missing. As a result, instead of comparing the two series I think it's actually better to maybe think of them as complements of each other or 2 different perspectives on similar concepts. After all, the same basic story is common in a lot of shows and anime and the products are VASTLY different depending on the execution.
Regardless of which one you prefer over the other, I think we can all agree that they are two really amazing pieces of work that we were able to enjoy and that we're really lucky we got to see something we love done with twice with two unique perspectives that ultimately only serve to enhance and heighten our experience of each one. ALSO THIS IS MY FAVORITE ANIME DUB AND I LOVE THE ENGLISH CAST THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK FOR BROTHERHOOD
I think you really are biased. The whole FMA "another world"-thing has been hinted since episode 2 or 3 in the original series. When Ed loses his limbs you need to pause the fast moving pictures. It becomes clear by then that you can see different flags from our world in it. Foreshadowing was there.
Yeah, because I pause anime every frame to look for foreshadowing instead just enjoying the show
Trevor Smith well that's you
There is a whole culture and around analyzing shows for info.
People like subtleties and nuance
You strike me more of a simple person
Trevor Smith Yeah, there's actually a club for this at my school, and we like to say that we live life one frame at a time. Literally all we do is analyse anime. I didn't have the patience for that, but I still go sometimes. So yeah, we just pause it, and search for symbolism, foreshadowing, and easter eggs. We have a lot if fun doing it for FMA.
I feel FMA definitely has a much better and engaging story on episode 1 compared to Brotherhood's, where I felt like I was not invested at all in the story or characters in episode 1. It's like what, is this, why are they doing that, who are these people, if you never seen it before. Me and my gf both thought it was pretty flat of an introduction to the series, plus the humor wasn't even funny, it felt forced and over the top.
vincent rodriguez having a quick thing that you miss if you don’t pause the screen isn’t subtlety or nuance.
"I don't think I am biased"
You definitely were.
He definitely wasn't. I'm actually an example of a person who watched the 2003 FMA first before watching Brotherhood (I didn't evne know it existed until I saw it on Netflix and was like "Da fuq is this?". And then I watched Brotherhood....
And I never watched the 2003 FMA again.
All the reasons why I thought Brotherhood (and in turn the manga) was superior to the 2003 version were the exact same points he gave in the video. Most of the characters in Brotherhood, with only a very few exceptions, are just done... better. And all the while the show had *more* characters that felt real. The story in general was much less convoluted and understandable, which probably makes sense considering it used the manga's story - a story that had a solid idea of what it was and where it wanted to go from the start, unlike FMA 2003 which the anime writers had to improvise as they went along.
I've never watched FMA 2003 more than once even though it was the first version I watched. Brotherhood, on the other hand, I've must have gone back to at least half a dozen times. Something about Brotherhood always seems to draw me back, and it is something that FMA 2003 is missing.
DeadlyRecon Just because his points are similar or the same as yours doesn’t mean he doesn’t show bias
Argue he is right doesn't negate whether or not he is biased...
I could probably go either way on which series I prefer, but his comparison was definitely biased.
Ariksander Stuckwisch Funny. I watched FMA first. Then I found brotherhood, thinking it was a continuation, I started on that. When I realised it wasn't, I gave it a chance, but it lost me, honestly. It felt so different, and the connection was lost. It felt almost as odd as watching Jojo's Bizarre adventure...
Plus I have yet to find one with subs as opposed to dubs.
Brotherhood FTW. FMA scared me for a good 8 years after the Nina/Alexander arc. I'm glad it was briefly brought through in Brotherhood.
brotherhood was the manga, hence no filler.
Samuel Jackson however, FMA had the creator on board making it with the others, hence no real filler. It was simply slower, and that in comparison probably felt like filler, because Brotherhood goes too fast through the exposition.
Samuel Jackson well said
Samuel Jackson Just because something is filler doesn't mean it's bad...
No the 1st episode of brotherhood is filler LOL. And brotherhood changed things from the manga as well.
I adored FMA...but Brotherhood was just more manly. So Brotherhood wins it for me.
My opinion on both series-
Plot - Brotherhood
Music - 2003
Ending - Brotherhood
Edward - Brotherhood
Alphonse - Brotherhood
Trisha - 2003
Homunculus - 2003
Scar - 2003
Action - Brotherhood
Animation - Brotherhood
Nina - Brotherhood
Hohenheim - Brotherhood
Main Villain - 2003
Characters - 2003
Atmosphere - 2003
Plot Twists - Brotherhood
Lore - Brotherhood
scar is by far outclasses fma in terms of interest.
Samuel Baugh while 2003s perks are outnumbered their way awsome the final Episodes where awsome
Pointless Comedy Yeah, that's basically how I feel in general. They both have points that triumph over each other, Brotherhood simply has a higher number of points.
Brotherhood made the homunculi more OP, cunning and (almost) have the same vision to support that bastard Father.
DomScatterbrain Well yeah, I like that as well. I think the idea of them being lost children of alchemy being exploited is a much more original idea though, and Ed and Al's sin having a much more obvious repercussion of being the Homunculus Sloth made for an interesting dynamic. Plus, Envy being Hohenheim's first Son was a super cool reveal.
What bothers me about FMA Brotherhood:
BROTHERHOOD DIDN'T FUCKING ADD THE YOUSWELL COAL MINING INCIDENT OR THE BATTLE WITH THE BLUE SQUAD, WHICH ARE CANON PARTS IN THE DAMN MANGA.
The Youswell coal mining incident is to add more depth to Ed's character, showing that he'd be happy to bend the rules a little if it means benefiting others. Also, it's the introduction to the character Yoki, who comes back as an important character to Scar's developement.
The battle with the blue squad is the canon introduction to Roy Mustang. It's supposed to introduce him as a total badass that constantly gets on Ed's nerves and is also his superior. I also can't get over how shitty Mustang's introduction in Brotherhood is.
Wendy The Fangirl
Yoki told about this in a funny Flashback which showed Ed As Evil in his Point of view. But You understand what really happened (Even if You didnt Watch the older Version. I only watched brotherhood)
***** I get what you're saying, but a flashback and watching the real thing actually happen are 2 different things. The flashback kind of made Ed seem like a criminal
Wendy The Fangirl
Yes But it's clear that Yoki dislikes Ed and therefore sees him As Evil. We know how Ed really is and that he likely helped the citiziens to get rid of Tyranny. You just have to turn Yokis words to The opposite and You likely have The real Story
***** That still doesn't change the fact that it's a canon part of the manga that wasn't added into the anime and bothers me
Wendy The Fangirl
Well You could say that this Part was really shortened But it was included....
The other thing with Roy Mustang was indeed not included.
I think it's worth mentioning that a lot of the "changes" that you're praising in Brotherhood as opposed to the original series are actually just Brotherhood going back to how things were in the manga. For example, the Nina story line leads directly into the Scar fight in the manga just like in Brotherhood, and Ed's depressive breakdown was added content for FMA. They did a lot to try to fill time in that series while they waited for the manga to come out, until they caught up to the current volume and stared going their own way entirely.
Interestingly, the first episode of Brotherhood, which doesn't work as well as an introduction, is ALSO added content, meant to engage people who were already familiar with the original series, while the manga starts with the Lior arc just like FMA. Basically, the manga is just really good.
This might be a minor point, but I think that the area where Brotherhood suffers most is in developing the early minor characters. Brotherhood was trying to streamline all of the content that FMA already covered, so they removed anything that wasn't directly plot relevant. This means skipping things like Yoki's introduction (the mining town episode is good, y'all can fight me) and not giving much development to Mustang's subordinates in particular. For real, the first time that Brotherhood asks us to care about those characters is when they're getting split up to all corners of the country, and as Mustang lists off which characters are sent where viewers respond with a resounding "who?" Which is a shame, because they're a likable bunch.
There are a few scenes that I think are refined on with the hindsight that the Brotherhood creators had, but it's a very few. Mostly, I still think that the manga is the best way to experience the story.
Brotherhood > FMA
Love both but I think Brotherhood tops FMA. Watched the 2003 series by the way.
ChannelyChannel
Well I think both mess up and do good things
I say FMA does better with characters and Brotherhood does better with lore of the world.
Thor's Hammer I agree, both series have flaws and good points. Personally, I enjoyed FMA (I saw it first) more than Brotherhood. It might be slower but character development is much better and the antagonists are much more interesting. Brotherhood is closer to a generic action shonen anime to me.
The one thing that mad be cry the most in Brotherhood is Envy's death one because we found out why he is called Envy because he wants what the human's wants and he envy's the human's second Mustang has no sense of cuteness Envy's true form wasn't ugly in my opoin it was very cute and i was crying when Envy was crying and did suicide i just was saying that Envy didn't have to do it and i kept crying and everytime i hear the word Envy i remember Envy's final and true form
omg same here :(
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Well i am sorry but this video has spoilers too so i just thought that everyone here watched both these anime's and i am sorry i didn't do a spoiler warning but you don't have to freak out about like a baby
+Masha Yatsyuk It's ok I don't really care that much I was actually one episode away from when envy dies so it's ok
FoFo Puffs Good to see that you accept my apology and i promise next time i do spoilers i will warn people
Though I like FMA:B better than FMA, I would ALWAYS recommend anyone to watch both, first FMA and then FMA:B. I watched it like this and believe it is the best way to enjoy it. The comparisons made in this video are mostly you going over the flaws in FMA, which is nice, but then FMA:B also has it flaws. I think they work perfectly together. FMA was more a more serious, down to earth character driven story, even when Edward was whiny (he's a kid for gods sake >_>) but FMA:B has great storytelling from a narrative POV. It was grand, epic; and everything in the story, every single character, was put to good use. Yes, FMA has some filler episodes, and yes, it would have done so much better without them, but it's still an amazing show. The darker themes, the sorrow portrayed by our main characters, heck, even the brotherhood relationship was better (ironically). They're both great!
Do you know where to find the last few episodes of fmab? Preferably the English Dub
I've always Said that anyone who wants to watch brother hood should watch the first series up until the greed arc, prior to that most everything is the same and It just seems things are more fleshed out in the first series, brotherhood just blows through all that in half the time at lightning pace
+RY3NO Watchcartoononline is a good website for it
I've actually noticed going through both, Edward and Alphonse had a lot less screentime in Brotherhood. For something called after Edward's nickname you'd expect more screentime. But in the 2003, Edward and Alphonse were certainly more focused on.
Doesn’t mention Again
“Angry weeb noises intensify”
The "OM NOM NOM" killed me
TheCreepster I swear😂😂
TheCreepster I was about to post this but then I saw you already posted it
No egg yet killed me 😂😂
that part killed the video
While I loved the original FMA to death, I haven't been able to continue watching Brotherhood after something like 10/12 episodes.
The cringey tonal shift for "humorous scenes" on every fucking episode totally killed it for me.
Yes, the cringy exaggerated reactions are the worst part of Brotherhood imo.
FMAB FTW and the English dub is honestly great 👍
Of course FMA is amazing too
it's because Funimation did the dub, just like they did with DBZ.
Yeah but they also did some of the worst dubs recently *cough* sword art online *cough*
Finalhour10
You can read the original manga
I Have an Anime Avatar SaO is bad in general
I watched FMA first and finished brotherhood today. Tbh I love that they’re different. I got very attatched to both stories and didnt think any of them was better than the other at the end of the day. Just two stories in the same world that went different directions. Maybe that’s just me tho lol
16:54 If you watch the part in Brotherhood right before the big sacrifice so Father can munch on some god, he looks at all of his sacrifices and says some little quip for each one. For Izumi's, he mentions how her missing internal organs prevent her from having kids. So score another point for Brotherhood I guess.
I put brotherhood on top all the way// the only thing I don't like about it is that Hughes got killed off SO EARLY
i dont like how cliche mustang is in brotherhood, like, they really took the time and effort to make that guy the "love me, cosplay me, fanart me, i am the real main character, i am the coolest, i am just like levi/mikasa in SNK" type of character
Yeah, I really didn't like how much they rushed the beginning arcs with Nina and Hughes. They felt really rushed, but they also lost some of that emotional impact and it felt odd to have it so early.
Kalonieo I have to agree that Hughes’ character development was better in the original and it made his death more impactful for those unexpecting it, but considering Brotherhood was my first I still think his development was done fairly well. Even though I wasn’t given as much as the original provided for his development, he was still my absolute favorite character and I was still DEVASTATED.
"I don't think I'm biased"
0:12 to this day it STILL gives me major goosebumps
I think brotherhood did too many silly jokes during serious moments which kind of ruined many important scenes for me
Imo, both were equally good but I preferred brotherhood's ending.
Original had a stronger beginning,
Brotherhood had a stronger ending
In my opinion
i only watch brotherhood..whats the ending of the original Fma??whats the difference of the ending??
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it ends with Al getting his body back but ed is sent back to WW2 with his daddy
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Here's what I like about 03; the rules are always there. You ALWAYS pay for what you do. Ed kills Greed, and pays for it with his innocence. He can never un-cross that bridge. Although Equivalent Exchange ends up not being much of a thing, it's still always used as a narrative device.
I really feel like you weren't really paying attention.
For me, the original provided some context that was glossed over in Brotherhood, after watching both almost back to back.