@@robynleighs That comes with being a Mormon. All these people were attending Temple constantly. Lori would go almost daily and worked there on Thursdays. Mormonism teaches that it is the only true church. Members can become almost arrogant in their beliefs. That's why it's so easy for offshoot cults to develop. The church has even advised members to not talk about this case. However, gossip is rampant in that religion. They thrive on it. Being seen as the perfect Mormon is everything, so they each strive to put on a perfect public face. Humility is forgotten in the drive for a perfect image. My friend left in 2018. She had been a firm believer until they uncovered the truth. She has given me a picture of life in Mormonism. She and the children had church dresses and shoes. She had to get up at 5am on Sundays to do the girls and boys hair, make sure they were perfectly dressed and prepare herself for Church. It's fascinating to hear how much "service" she had to do for the Church, even when she had little children and babies.
@@elizabethgrogan8553, in due respect, you can say the very same thing about any Fundamentalist church. Many evangelicals are indoctrinated from birth which means they cannot think logically or rationally, even about ordinary issues. It’s like their brains have been hacked! The polite term for these churches is “high demand” churches, meaning they are under extreme pressure to look and act like good Christians 24/7. Their family’s must look perfect, and they must give inordinate amounts of time to their “church.”
It seems they had their own little criminal cartel - connected to insurance and real estate. Maybe whoever murdered the children was trying to put them all out of business???
I wonder if anyone else in the cult has had people die around them at the same time? Just seems suspicious if she felt in danger who else felt in danger. I would like to see Melanie the sisters interview.
Zulema recounts details of her ac breaking down, but the events surrounding the deaths of spouses, children and even of her new husband of 2 weeks, “I don’t remember.”
Funny how she made sure she was not home at the time. Every single person involved in this case or the ppl -Lori, Chad , Alex, - everyone attached to them sound like they are telling 20% of the truth. This woman married Alex- as well as Melanie married a new man- I do not believe tge niece Melanie’s new husband- secretly recorded Melanie & Lori-etc… I think he recorded whatever Melanie told him to record to pretend the Secret Conversations - are portrayed just as Melanie would want. I also think Melanie would not testify against Lori - because she probably felt she couldn’t, so she said I watched a few videos online. Easy way out of testifying. All shady crap
@@staybent9380 Unfortunately we do not know much about her. If she lived with Chad FOR YEARS, I wonder if she was very weak or brainwashed like her kids ??❤❤
The police is incompetent in those series of murder. Why does zulema have kid murderer lori's scissors? WTF? Maybe this is what chad daybell's attorney might point as the weapon that killed the children.
Where can I read those texts? I've always maintained a strong suspicion towards her. Now that I hear her talking confirms my belief. Her and Melanie Gibb I believe are culpable on some level.
@@carolynsears1710 yip, right from the start ! Not sure if the kids were found at that point but very early in the investigation.. but y? She knows the whole story and thats y she wanted immunity .. she knows and probably helped in the religious/cult type teachings i think. Js my opinion but she was in that inner circle they all talked about .. stuff lds doesn't teach.. js get weirder and weirder
@@thelexicon7294 every single woman in this depraved group either does this baby voice or they do the ditsy idiot thing. Its one of their playing cards to manipulate.
I still feel terrible for Zulema’s son that had to handle things when Alex was dying on the bathroom floor. You can hear that he is very uncomfortable, and that he is anxious in the 911 call. He didn’t even know this man, and she marries him, and moves him in. How many marriages did she have before? 7? She advertises herself as a relationship coach doesn’t she. You have got to love that. She can hold a conversation, but she turns that off when things get serious. Another manipulator in this gaggle of creepers. I don’t know how they wound up giving her immunity. For what? To corroborate what they have via Gibb and the huge preponderance of evidence they already have?
Exactly!!! They give this broad immunity, I guess hoping for the hot details, and she doesn’t give them a damn thing! All of a sudden she has freakin amnesia or something. Unbelievable.
Omg! So I actually read the comments because I was thinking… I actually feel sorry for her, I think she got confused on her details bc her husband had just died.. not that they had time to form a relationship longer than about 15 minutes… but still. Death is traumatic. However, I’m glad I read these comments… and I’m less than halfway through the video. She was married SEVEN times?? Is that even legal? Damn she could be a coach with that many marriages, not a good coach.. but still! It’s all so ridiculous!! And disgusting.
Right?! On the 911 call the son didn’t even know that Alex and Zulema got married! He didn’t even know Alex’s last name! What tha heck is wrong with her?
@@Valorie0221absolutely agree!! This entire case exposed how incompetent that entire police department payroll was..just imagine the lives lost to their incompetence dating all the way back to then laughing and mocking Charles Vallow begging them for help not only for himself but his children as well which in fact they’re partly responsible for the future murders of all three of them! No they aren’t heroes they are idiots.
When my fiancée died in 1993 , I was called to come to the hospital immediately, he was in surgery, I remember every single detail of that day. EVERY DETAIL, from every single minute of that day. Him leaving from work till the phone call, to me waiting, till I was called into the room where I was told he had died during surgery and everything thing after! I was 27 I’m 57 now and it’s crystal clear, still, in my mind. Maybe some people deal with trauma differently? From all my trauma’s and losses and there’s been too many, that was the first. It’s hard to imagine she can’t remember. Then again I wasn’t sucked into a cult. So 🤷♀️
Sometimes people don't remember because their head is too full to take in anything else. It could be that she was so frightened or confused by what she saw, or suspected, or could not clarify, that she thought she herself was in danger. People don't remember or easily forget for very valid reasons, and it's one of the most misunderstood things that happens every single day.
Even her lawer checks out from the rubbish she spouts about what was in the bag with the money. I wouldn't be surprised if the gun was used by her and the money came from lorries. Who says maybe there were headphones in one sentence, then taking them out and using them in the next. Her kids count the money, but she "doesn't remember" how much it was !?.And who forgets there is a murder weapon in the bag in your house. She should not have got a deal, she should be on the stand in court.
Soooo Mel G said she talked to Alex in December (12/10/19 the day before Tammy is exhumed) and tells Alex she’s been talking to the police. Alex then “tells” Zulema “here’s this bag of money in case something happened to me. Next day Tammy is exhumed (12/11/19). Then Alex suddenly dies (12/12/19). Ummm ok
@@palmerfamily609 Well based on the previous police interviews I've watch out of this jurisdiction I'm not surprised. Seem they like to wrap it up a case quickly and close the case.
@@ronthompson95 On the day Tammy was exhumed Alex told Zulema there's a bag of money in the loft incase something happens to me. When Zulema asked him why? He said "I think they're going to make me their fall guy" The next day he died, hence he predicted his death was coming soon. That's the significance of the bag of money.
9:47 One of the officers , " Were here today In order for us to try and make you look credible. .. " 😂 . If the police need to " try " and make a witness look credible , Oy vey.
@@barbiekat6352 ‘“Truly, whoever is able to make you absurd is able to make you unjust”, (Questions sur les miracles, 1765) is commonly quoted as “Those who can make you believe in absurdities can make you commit atrocities’
I hope the Daybell children have a good support system because I know they'll watch this and this interview is very telling. You'd have to toss out all rationale to keep thinking Chad was framed. Zulema highlights how in charge their Dad was in all this. He was the leader and prophet to these people. He called the shots ultimately because the group relied on his visions.. he had the last word.. For the sake of their mothers memory I hope they stand beside her. She loved them dearly whereas Chad loved himself and lusted over Lori and power to be a last days prophet. Tammy has sort of been left in the dust. I hope her children can see the truth even how painful that truth is. At the end of the day right is right and wrong is wrong. Anybody supporting the idea Chad was framed is turning a blind eye to truth and justice.
Cognitive dissonance... the brain can do some crazy things. Chad's kids are adults but they're very young . To accept that your religious Dad could do soo many atrocious things including killing your mom and 2 children .. well that's likely to explode their world and they don't 3v3n have a mom to lean to on .
My wife and I were watching this last night and she noticed that when Zulema first came into the room she quickly slips a ring of her ring finger and tucks it in some sort of cloth then she sits on it, then at the end she casually slips it back on her finger and casually places the cloth under her phone as she is standing up. What's up with that? This women is so sketchy and I don't believe anything she says!
Zulema asked Alex when she knew Tammy was being exhumed. If they exhumed this body. Are they going to find anything. Are you involved.? Just think about that for a second.
Was Alex Cox poisoned? (I envision Lori calling and saying, “I left 1 pill in a baggie for you to take and it is time.” Alex takes the pill and it kills him…) Did someone poison him like they poisoned Chad’s wife? Alex did say he felt set up as Lori and Chad’s fall guy. Anything is possible. Where is Melanie P. during the time Lori and Chad were on the run? Clearly, Zulema and Melanie P. were receiving directions to do Lori and Chad’s “will”continually. We know Melanie P. is a liar and criminal. Zulema is in the thick of it too. Cults are crazy.
in my version, it is the wife, Zulema did the job. She submitted completely to Chad and Lori's authority. She was told that Alex turned dark once it became evident that Alex became restless and started having his doubts.
@@miam1074 I'm afraid I reluctantly have to agree and I've been reluctant and I stay reluctant but nothing else makes sense. She very conveniently was not there at the time and that's the Modus operandi of the leaders of the 144 k lol
@@beckylynn209 yes and Lori stated that they may have to drop a couple of White pills into his drink or something along those lines when talking about him as well as others
I’m sorry but I am so angry and disappointed in this LE!! Why did they give her use immunity? Didn’t they see the texts between her and Lori about how she would be there when the “TIME-BOMB” goes off for JJ and that she, ZULEMA WOULD BE THERE TO TAKE HIS SPIRIT TO HEAVEN?? She KNEW THAT LORI AND CHAD WERE GOING YO KILL THAT PRECIOUS BABY BOY AND THEY GIVE HER IMMUNITY? THE DEFENSE WILL RIP HER TO SHREDS! Why AREN’T they asking her the HARD QUESTIONS? All of the LE dropped the ball. That’s my opinion she and Melani P deserve jail time as well!!!
I think they decided they needed to target the most dangerous individuals. Use immunity doesn’t mean permanent immunity from everything so…there may well be trials arising from this total shitshow. I do hope so.
@@marcosmarin8930 does she? I had assumed that when she was so quick to NOT HELP LE when they were looking for the kid’s. I hope they asked themselves why she tried so very hard to get the cops that were in her house on the day of Alex’s death OUT! There was something in that house that she was afraid of them finding! Like I said, they dropped the ball! So many LE persons did on this case that it’s scary.
I’m sorry like she wouldn’t know what he was being the fall guy for when two children are missing and someone is dead all surrounding him, Lori, and Chad. Give me a break.
And not even a good liar. She should be brought to justice along with the other conspirators. I don’t know why she would warrant any kind of deal. If The Prosecution’s going to put this liar on the stand they’re crazy.
I think there is a LOT of evidence against Chad & Lori. But I think that the witnesses aren’t going to be any good. The only people who know what happened were all also so deeply involved that they won’t tell the truth for fear of implicating themselves.
I LOVE true crime and this case by far, is the craziest case I've heard in my 30 years of life. Psycho LDS/cult members, multiple marriages, multiple deaths, murdered children, zombies, how is this real life? 😳
Michele Renee - it is stunning to hear!! This one is horrific, so is the Chandler Halderson murders of his parents-- that trial was also terribly sad. The Kyle Rittenhouse trial (& I'm not comparing the issue AT ALL...) just, that trial was amazing to watch & the judge was fun to hear when he got feisty.
I think he did it to himself. Do you guys think? Given that creepy blessing Chad did and Alex telling Z about the cash "in case" & saying he thought he'd be their fall-guy? He wasn't too bright but he probably put 2 and 2 together once he knew Tammy was being exhumed. Idk just a thought. I might be off track. (edit to say I come back to the blessing and how Chad said A's body would just lay down and he'd leave this world and I think no C&L did it)
This woman was chosen to “protect Lori,”just as Alex- “protect Lori,”she was completely involved. I def think Alex - took something- he thought he was probably going to heaven- Chad probably told him that. Meanwhile Chad & Lori- will be alone- thought Alex can
They placed her closest to the door and left it open so she feels no threat and to enforce the idea she is a cooperating witness that has the ability to leave at anytime. This is in an attempt to make her guard go down and say everything she knows in a non-threatening way. She's a very important witness as Alex is dead, Lori's playing coo coo and Chad portaled his self into being oblivious to EVERYTHING and Melanie P. is echoing Chad pretending to be completely oblivious to anything criminal (her days coming)... Zulema was in the inner circle as "Lori's protector" funny now she's helping protect society yet maybe in a way she is protecting Lori. It's not the power to manipulate the elements on earth while keeping Lori in a safe bubble (biggest eyeroll ever) but putting Lori away is in fact helping her. She's a very dangerous criminal. A full-on psychopath who's safest place is behind bars.
They have no credible witnesses. If the verdict is upon Zulema and Melanie than there will be no justice. I hope to God prosecution works better than these detectives. I have said from the beginning that this LDS community is sticking by Chad and Lori.
@@melissascott4361 I agree the credibility will be an issue that the defense will no doubt use. I cringed when the detectives mentioned here that they want to go over lies or "discrepancies" to get ahead of the trial. Let's hope that part doesn't get used in trial as defense will use it against them trying to hodge podge the case. Zulema is an important witness nonetheless because there is all of her text messages that help frame the mindset of the accused and show that Chad was indeed the one calling the shots along with Lori. Chad is using a defense that he was a unsuspecting victim and Zulema's digital info along with testimony will make that nearly impossible to believe. As far as the church is concerned. I see them fleeing on this. They've ex communicated Chad. He was actively telling people that in the last days (which he proclaimed they were in) the prophet and Co. wouldn't be able to "see" what lied straight ahead but HE could. This is why the group was accepting blessings from him. They really thought he was the prophet and seer of the last days to lead the 144k. You can hear how he was constantly saying how special Zulema was. I'm sure he told everyone that. That was a big component in how he assumed control. He played on people's ego or need to feel important or special. He used the mormon scripture but twisted it for his own, sick way. Once he seen the power over people that could be had by claiming his books were real and coupled with his belief people could be reincarnated he became a killer. Lori believed thru Chad's teachings that her children weren't her children and that Tylle and JJ's lives were meaningless because they were adults in heaven and had already lived many lives so they weren't killing children, they were killing demons. This is such dangerous doctrine because it makes it to where if you don't go along with Chad's "visions" you are in danger of being labeled a zombie and if you die, no worries because you'll be reborn. I can't see the church backing this because that would make congregations untamed and their prophet useless. It also makes sealed marriages unmeaningful. That's why this fringe group was having affairs. This is all against the church's teachings but Chad kept getting away with more outrageous things because he was a "visionary" and played on people's ego. He'd go to people he wanted something out of whether it be control, money or power and tell them they used to be someone spectacular in a past life and even though at first the person might not believe it eventually they would and then Chad had control over them and they in turn would leave their marriage. It's really crazy how these people had almost a group psychosis but really at the end of the day the murders came down to the same old reasons: money, lust and power.
@@melissascott4361 I don't know that the community is supporting Chad. Chad's attorney wants the trial move to another part of the state. He says Chad can't get a fair jury in 5 counties surrounding Rexburg.
They're all lying about everything. They just released Tylees Interview with the Chandler police. Tylees statements just don't add up with the crime scene photos or even Alex's statements to the police about when and how he allegedly shot Charles Vallow. When even a teenager is lying ....
@@sarahrose4126 you mean a teenager who is protecting the only living parent she has? If Chad and Lori could manipulate all the adults around them, a teenage girl would have been easy pickings.
Sarah Rose don't even get me started on the Tylee interview. She was SO ALARMED by hearing this "fight" transpire, that she comes out of her room brandishing a baseball bat. According to her, only Charles was yelling, but she couldn't even give one example of what he was saying. Or what anyone was yelling about. You hear yelling, between the only 3 other adults in the house, and it's so scary, you grab a weapon...but have ZERO recollection of WHAT was being yelled??? And none of the cops/detectives ask about this!!! I mean I could describe bar fights I've witnessed years ago, and what they were about even between strangers. And this child can't remember a fight that led to her stepdad being killed, the afternoon it happened?!?!?!
@@KH-cg5wd it's super weird that none of them could remember a single word Charles was saying... from the other video I saw where he was having to break into his own house... after Lori stole all his money in his truck... he seems like a pretty articulate guy.
Doesn't remember what was in the bag. "I looked in it a thousand times and for the life of me I just can't remember what else was in it." Weak ass statement Oh yeah the gun ... After listening to her (painfully) she's not only lying. But she's also layinit on pretty thick and m0& aking Alex out to be the fall guy.
She knows what was in that bag ofcourse she knows lol she took the headphones to wear .when at the start she says there may have been headphones in the bag
Zulema and Mel G keep asking the police if the police remembers what they told them. If their statements were true they’d remember what they said themselves
They slso say like Melanie kept saying, “ i’m so honest.. I don’t even know how to be dishonest..” 🙄 honest people don’t find the need to keep telling others how honest they are. So crazy.
First of all, you should never lie to anyone, least of all LE. But if you do get caught in a lie, the best thing to do going forward is to be completely honest. That’s the only way to try to gain back even a little bit of trust. And if you explain WHY you lied, you might even get a little sympathy. I don’t know why it’s so hard for Zulema to admit, “Yes I lied to the Gilbert police because: 1. I was scared 2. I didn’t have an immunity deal 3. A feeling of self-preservation 4. My cult had drilled it in to me to protect Lori at all costs, and I was just falling back on the cult teachings.” But she’s not admitting any of that. If she had really become “un-brainwashed” from this cult, and was really ready to turn against Lori, wouldn’t she be willing to admit these things? It makes me wonder if she’s still secretly a Lori/ Chad follower. I don’t think she’ll make a very good witness for the prosecution at all!
It is so clear that Chad and Lori were building a coalition of followers. AND wanted to grow that coalition to larger numbers. They put effort into recruiting members, and supporting the needs and desires of their members. Chad and Lori's ultimate goal: To be the leaders of a large movement, not so different than what Jim Jones was after. Power and privilege.
After watching Lori, Tylee, Alex and Zulema’s interviews I don’t even know what to believe. They are all so flat and unemotional. Sickening. Even Tylee was lying I think. You could tell by her face and voice when she is honest and when she is lying.
You could tell Lori coached Tylee when they were taking JJ to school, right after Alex shot Charles. When their stories corroborated, Lori would glance up at the interviewer to see her response. Their stories matched better than Alex's... still plenty of holes though.
Tylee was a child who’d dealt with wackadoodle Lori her entire life. Tylee never got the chance to become an adult and discover what kind of person she’d become.
Are we here to talk about the Arizona weather, parks, playgrounds and baseball or are we here to talk about Chad & Lori and how everyone around them seemingly ends up dead, including Alex?
I thought the same thing. All these interviews come off as a casual visit with a friend. Therd are missing children but do lets discuss the weather in AX and Idaho. Well done folks, if I visit either place I'll know the weather.
Missing children, dead bodies and yhey discuss the difference in weather and playgrounds and sports. Are missing children expected to be in on playground? Why not discuss the price of tea in China. I understand a couple of minutes to make her comfortable but this was unreal. At this time it was "Where are the children?"
I think perhaps the police were trying to get a baseline on her by asking her questions that were non-threatening to her to see how she reacts, ie. the weather, sports, air conditioning, etc. Also probably trying to get her to relax and trust them. Not sure how successful they thought they were, but after watching The Behavior Panel, this seems to be a technique that interrogators use...
You get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. If you start yelling at people and hammer them with questions they clam up and quit talking. If you get them talking they say things they don't mean to.
I've been following this case & studied criminal behavior for a couple decades. My conclusion after hearing interviews from family & extended family including Cox's widows' interview where she explains, Cox stated "I hope they're not making me the fall guy". Add the text messages from Chad explaining to Lori how he "burned the limbs (the daughters' body was burned) then he saw a wild raccoon (the young son was described as wild & possessed) & he got "close enough to shoot". Considering the "cause of death report" for the boy it makes sense an unexpected gunshot could have easily rendered him unable to respond, since he was bound by duct tape then wrapped in a trash bag. I consider the texts between Chad & Lori a confession. Lori's texts back to Chad implicate her without doubt, in the murder of both these children.
17:55- lol 😆 he BUSTED HER! She told lots of lies, she held back a lot of truth. Shame she left her so at home to find Alex - of course she was NOT at the scene at the time of his death. She was chosen to protect Lori. Shady shady!
This women no doubt guilty in part of the plotting and marriage to Alex , no doubt knowing he would be dead before her own son knew that they had married in Vegas
okay, so she knows EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING except the most fateful moments in her life. Really strange. She also tries to speak innocently with a kind of authority that doesn't exactly challenge the person who she is conversing with but attempts to "educate" them with her vast knowledge. This woman is REALLY dangerous. BEWARE!
She sure did 😂😂 Didn't think twice or hold back a single detail.... Accept her own complicity of course... 😂😂 These people are unbelievable... It's not funny given so many people have lost their lives, but the things they say are just MIND blowing?!
@@leo_zero1879 I noticed Melanie's testimony when she was under oath was a little different than the interviews she was giving... this is going to be crazy when it goes to court.
Yes. When police take phones, computers etc they make an exact copy of the device and pull data from the copy. Original is either in evidence or given back.
Good God, hot damn!!! When we’re not questioning her involvement in a felony murder, she is a CHATTY CATHY! She won’t let the cops get a word in edgewise-she won’t shutty shutty!!! Woweee, it’s like a different person! What the heck?
If I were talking about my deceased husband that I "really really loved" I'm certain that I would have more emotions when relieving and discussing his death. Even if it's 1 year later.
Lori’s whole family was weird. They were talking about her mother and father talking about their sex life very openly in front of the kids which means will be Lori and her siblings. There’s so many things about this family that is just not right.
Big deal. The president of the United States does the same thing. Joe Biden and Jill Biden. Plus their son sleeps with their brother's wife because he's in the hospital dying from a defective brain Joe Biden's daughter wrote in her diary that she showered with her father when she was 15 or 16 years old. Hunter Biden's laptop with all the X-rated videos of him and well others let's just say . I seen them myself I couldn't recognize all the different women because I don't know those people but I could definitely recognize Hunter oh my goodness I mean I guess it's perfectly acceptable if your last name is Biden. I know for a fact that he claims to be a practicing Catholic but I also know that's not Catholic teaching it's just his interpretation that it's okay to do it he claims It's All About Love but then again so did Michael Jackson I have no clue what went on there
She was still loyal to Lori, and Chad when Alex died. So was Melani Pelowski. We still don’t know how involved she is. What I wonder is was she more loyal to Chad, and Lori than Alex? Would she be the hitwoman to take out the hitman?
If they only would have taken Lori into the psych evaluation she had a court order for, instead they bought her story as the victim, told her how to avoid the order. Damn how many people may have been saved? Charles, Tammy, JJ & Tylee at least. Maybe. We will never know. Charles begged everyone for help, warned the police, the courts, the people involved in the divorce, the church, told his family & friends ... No one took him serious or believed him enough that his life was in danger. Even though he asked for a protection order & psych evaluation for Lori. Probably because he was a man, and Lori - the she devil in disguise as a beautiful to look at, with a sweet baby voice psychopath, manipulating all these men, like she has all her life, got away with it long enough to destroy many more lives. So many people enabled her, Chad & Alex! No one trusted the police to go tell them what they knew. They still are trying to hide and only talk to save their own asses. RIP Charles. And all the rest of the victims. Condolences and prayers for healing to all the family and friends whose lives who will be forever bent and broken by these evil killers and their enablers. There isn’t enough justice in the universe to make any of this better for them. Show them no mercy just like they showed none to their victims. I hope Lori & Chad get the death penalty, and I hope Alex and all of the Zombie Killer cult members get what they deserve & spend eternity burning in hell. Because if there is such a place, it was made for them.
@@shanns69 I just saw the one where the police were serving Melanie and Ian with papers for them to go to the Grand Jury... but I haven't seen any police interviews.
I dunno about you all, but I’d be spilling my entire guts if I were in her position. Every single detail, every memory, every thing I’d overheard, every dang suspicion I had about stuff I didn’t know for sure! So frustrating to watch this 😖
She would be landing herself neck high is 💩 if she told the truth. She knew exactly what was going on, the who's, the why's he where's and he how's. Her lies were so ad that her lawere sat ack and disengaged when she was spouting her cock and bull story about what was in the bag.
I love how it's so easy to tell when she's lying and how when her lawyer leaves LE sets up a base line of her talking about things and remembering things in order to tell when she's lying. 👍Good job Rexburg LE!
I wouldn’t Pat those people on the back at all in this case. I am flabbergasted over how many law enforcement agencies did NOTHING for so long. They failed those kids, TD, Ryan, and especially Charles. Don’t forget about the attempted murder of BB. (But yeah, I agree with you.)
@@therealwilfreddierkes9980 that was the Chandler police department that completely failed at their jobs and then offered Lori a victims advocate, not Rexburg.
After watching interviews of Gibb and zulema I now believe chad daybell was living out a real life dungeons and dragons. And Chad was dungeon master. Calling out where demons were and how many,the group uses prayer fire water earth elements to eliminate them. Then he would deem them destroyed... oh but wait...a new one has come and several surround the house. Because the portal wasn’t sealed... I’m seeing that He merged bastardized lds doctrine and d&d to have a murderous affair... D and d was big in lds church in Utah maybe 20+ years ago and then the church looked down on the game for fear of it leading to darkness or satan worship... this was back during satanic panic times. Chad grew up lds Mormon in Utah so I bet he has played d&d before The difference is this is real life it isn’t a game it’s not fantasy role play They murder anyone in their way to the ultimate prize of fulfilling their lust and trying to be worshipped as head prophets of a cult Does anyone else see that similarity? Of chad acting like a dungeon master with his visions and story telling pulling out past lives multiple probations, zombies, rating light and dark levels. I see a dungeon master It blows my mind how many people they had believing this. They were deceiving everyone. Chad isn’t a visionary prophet counting spirits Lori doesn’t travel in closet portals they aren’t here to lead anything or anyone they re just serial killers
It's possible that the detectives are acting the way they are to get her to relax and freely talk. Immunity may be able to be withdrawn if she says something that turns out to be untruthful?
Haha I K R? Do you want the scissors of can we take a look at them? What? Where was the 6 AM swat team? These people are all being treated like guests. I was interrogated hard core. For 13 hrs two days in a law suit and I was the plaintiff. I felt like I was the one being prosecuted and it was only a depostition.
"I'm trying help " is what they all say now but where was their help when the sicko's were talking about two totally innocent children going dark! If you want to help totally hand over the stupid phone. The damage these waste of spaces have caused is imaginable!
I can’t believe how these people claimed to be able to control tornados etc and to be the ones that were going to help run the new world after the apocalypse, but in interviews they are scattered, pathetic, and ignorant. Amazing to me that they all were so delusional about how important they were.
It is absolutely shocking that Rexburg police are as clueless here as Gilbert PD was. “We are just trying to eliminate some things that might be brought up by the defense…ok”? Why are they immediately giving her not only power but it’s like..‘ Don’t worry we know you were not involved, didn’t know what was really going on’? Had they READ her F’ing TEXTS yet with Chad?!? Telling Chad how wonderful it was to hear Tammy died (the day after she died) and that “the Lord is wonderful”?! What kind of a sick individual says that and coos with her fiancé the day after Tammy died that “Chad & Lori are so cute”?! Sick less than human these monsters are!
They are saying these things only to get her to talk. They are under orders to target the most dangerous individuals so Zulema and the rest are a means to do that. I believe that there will be further indictments further down n the road but L.E. Are clearly going for the leaders of this insane death cult first.
They arent giving her power they r luring her into a false sense of security… its the same when the officer leaves the room and leaves the door wide open, its a tactic to make her feel like shes not in an interogation its just a “casual chat/ catch up” everything these detectives donin interviews has a reason behind it… even the cant about the weather the games its make her feel at ease woth them ans bring her guard down… they wudve been studying the change in her dimeanor etc… she defo knows more than shes letting on tho… they were definately a cult and they shud all be up on charges but they have been given immunity now so they cant b touched… but an inportant thing that melanie gibb said …. “Chad and lori arent the only ppl who believe these things” so trhere is absolutely others, melanie deboaux is defo in on it in my opinion…and they all did regular podcasts… so who r the ppl listening to them? They were obvs making them for ppl to hear… i think gibb did know alot butni think they cudnt fully brainwash her hence emwhy they never told her she had a “power” as to leave her out in a sense so she wud work harder to be in more with them if that makes sense but she didnt she went the opposite way when it came to the children being missing… its heartbreaking what happened to those children but in a way they have saved probably alot of ppl because them going missing brought to light wat these whack jobs were doing… doendt make it any easier wrap ur head around the whole thing is crazy! And the kicker about the whole thing is if someone had just listened to charles from the start none of this wudve happened… he knew she was going nutts and no one wud listen to him… he told the police everything and they took no notice…now they wanna be “thorough” because they must feel a little guilt in some way that they had a few chances to save those kids and they did nothing :( so so sad for all the victims… the daybell kids think he was framed 😂 he was the driving force… denial at its finest… this whole case has just been insane… lock up these wackos n stop wasting everyones time its so cleae what happened here… and if earth rules didnt apply to chad n lori n their BS then they shudnt b entitled to a fair trial
WHY DIES SHE STILL HAVE HER PHONE..they should have gotten a WARRANT TO GET THAT. She knows WAY MORE THEN WHAT SHE'S SAYING. Why isn't she under investigation big time?
Why isn't the county sheriff in there and slapping the cuffs on her and taking her to jail. She's clearly a liar and they can prove it. That is a crime in and of itself.
odd people dont believe her. i find her n her demeanor to be much more stable than Gibb. her interview was thorough, not beat around bush. idk i like her interview better she wasnt sketched out n all over the place like Gibb
Zulema is lying to you. She was at many meetings at Lori's. Before Charles was killed she was part of that planning session. She knew Lori and Chad quite well not just a few times. She met with Lori at her house everytime they were trying to get rid of zombies.
Yes! She remembers details about the bag and how it was in a ziploc bag but doesn’t remember what was in it?!!?! Also, her original statements about not knowing Chad and Lori were in Hawaii and not k owing how to reach them. That was a ball face lie as she said that they had conference calls with them.
Extremely wired. His autopsy showed he had several heart related issues. Something about clogged arteries etc. He passed away the day after he knew that Tammy Daybell's body was to be exhumed. IMHO his nerves, anxiety and fear made his body freak out and ended him... The trial has already had testimony about his untimely passing and it's been made clear there is no suspicion behind or with it..
How could she not remember what was in the bag besides money? Like she's gotta really ponder if there was anything else and then decides maybe headphones but actually no. Lol.
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The fact that ‘she don’t’ know how much money was in that bag tells me she’s full of #%$&
These people are nuts .. I can’t believe people like this exist in our world.
Neither can I. Nut cases. Evil, and IGNORANT.
I can't believe that these looney tunes actually believe that they are the chosen ones. I mean....huh? It's pure insanity.
@@robynleighs That comes with being a Mormon. All these people were attending Temple constantly. Lori would go almost daily and worked there on Thursdays. Mormonism teaches that it is the only true church. Members can become almost arrogant in their beliefs. That's why it's so easy for offshoot cults to develop. The church has even advised members to not talk about this case. However, gossip is rampant in that religion. They thrive on it. Being seen as the perfect Mormon is everything, so they each strive to put on a perfect public face. Humility is forgotten in the drive for a perfect image. My friend left in 2018. She had been a firm believer until they uncovered the truth. She has given me a picture of life in Mormonism. She and the children had church dresses and shoes. She had to get up at 5am on Sundays to do the girls and boys hair, make sure they were perfectly dressed and prepare herself for Church. It's fascinating to hear how much "service" she had to do for the Church, even when she had little children and babies.
@@elizabethgrogan8553, in due respect, you can say the very same thing about any Fundamentalist church. Many evangelicals are indoctrinated from birth which means they cannot think logically or rationally, even about ordinary issues. It’s like their brains have been hacked! The polite term for these churches is “high demand” churches, meaning they are under extreme pressure to look and act like good Christians 24/7. Their family’s must look perfect, and they must give inordinate amounts of time to their “church.”
That's Mormons for you
Code words , conference calls, the whole group needs to be ARRESTED they were ALL in on it
It seems they had their own little criminal cartel - connected to insurance and real estate. Maybe whoever murdered the children was trying to put them all out of business???
I wonder if anyone else in the cult has had people die around them at the same time? Just seems suspicious if she felt in danger who else felt in danger. I would like to see Melanie the sisters interview.
Yep put them all in a white tent and lock them in forever!!!
Amen!
@@summermead the other Melanie is Lori's niece not sister.
Zulema recounts details of her ac breaking down, but the events surrounding the deaths of spouses, children and even of her new husband of 2 weeks, “I don’t remember.”
Funny how she made sure she was not home at the time. Every single person involved in this case or the ppl -Lori, Chad , Alex, - everyone attached to them sound like they are telling 20% of the truth. This woman married Alex- as well as Melanie married a new man- I do not believe tge niece Melanie’s new husband- secretly recorded Melanie & Lori-etc… I think he recorded whatever Melanie told him to record to pretend the Secret Conversations - are portrayed just as Melanie would want. I also think Melanie would not testify against Lori - because she probably felt she couldn’t, so she said I watched a few videos online. Easy way out of testifying. All shady crap
selective amnesia lol
Exactly that’s how you detect lies
I don't believe one word this woman says. Pure evil, all lies. They are ALL involved in this tragedy.
Her sweet little voice.
The one who is really interesting is the ex wife she seems to be the only one who seems to be genuine and actually behaves like a normal person
I agree
@@neongirluk Who are you speaking of as an ex wife?
If It’s Tammy, she is not an ex, she is a dead wife. Ruled homicide by her ex. Big difference
@@staybent9380 Unfortunately we do not know much about her. If she lived with Chad FOR YEARS, I wonder if she was very weak or brainwashed like her kids ??❤❤
She’s caught lying and is just making shit up as to why she lied to GilbertPD
The police is incompetent in those series of murder. Why does zulema have kid murderer lori's scissors? WTF? Maybe this is what chad daybell's attorney might point as the weapon that killed the children.
I cannot believe she has immunity-she’s so flaky and suspicious 🙇♀️
I’m a bit behind in this case ,, what did she do and where can I see her & Lori’s texts ?
"Gee wiz, did I say that? ...i just don't remember..." lol
The texts between her and Lori tell a different story. She should never have gotten immunity. 😡
Where can I read those texts?
I've always maintained a strong suspicion towards her. Now that I hear her talking confirms my belief.
Her and Melanie Gibb I believe are culpable on some level.
Ohhhhh, I haven't heard about those text messages. So many other people know more than they are saying.
Immunity? No way
@@carolynsears1710 She has use immunity.
@@carolynsears1710 yip, right from the start ! Not sure if the kids were found at that point but very early in the investigation.. but y? She knows the whole story and thats y she wanted immunity .. she knows and probably helped in the religious/cult type teachings i think. Js my opinion but she was in that inner circle they all talked about .. stuff lds doesn't teach.. js get weirder and weirder
Zulemas baby voice isnt fooling anyone. She was in on this with Lori even before Melanie Gibb. She should be sitting in Prison with Lori
Won't lie, that voice floored me. That was the last sound I expected to come out of Zulema's face. It seems so mismatched to me.
@@thelexicon7294 every single woman in this depraved group either does this baby voice or they do the ditsy idiot thing. Its one of their playing cards to manipulate.
Agree
I still feel terrible for Zulema’s son that had to handle things when Alex was dying on the bathroom floor. You can hear that he is very uncomfortable, and that he is anxious in the 911 call. He didn’t even know this man, and she marries him, and moves him in. How many marriages did she have before? 7? She advertises herself as a relationship coach doesn’t she. You have got to love that. She can hold a conversation, but she turns that off when things get serious. Another manipulator in this gaggle of creepers. I don’t know how they wound up giving her immunity. For what? To corroborate what they have via Gibb and the huge preponderance of evidence they already have?
Exactly!!! They give this broad immunity, I guess hoping for the hot details, and she doesn’t give them a damn thing! All of a sudden she has freakin amnesia or something. Unbelievable.
Omg! So I actually read the comments because I was thinking… I actually feel sorry for her, I think she got confused on her details bc her husband had just died.. not that they had time to form a relationship longer than about 15 minutes… but still. Death is traumatic. However, I’m glad I read these comments… and I’m less than halfway through the video. She was married SEVEN times?? Is that even legal? Damn she could be a coach with that many marriages, not a good coach.. but still! It’s all so ridiculous!! And disgusting.
I do, definitely feel bad for her son though!
Is she trying to sleep with them???
Right?! On the 911 call the son didn’t even know that Alex and Zulema got married! He didn’t even know Alex’s last name! What tha heck is wrong with her?
If you talk and act like a little girl..omg. I can't with these women.
Cringey af!
I know, Right???
They all do it ! OM Gosh !🙄
So disgusting how these women do the whole innocent high pitch crap
Cult training
I can’t believe they gave this woman immunity!!! 😡
I don't know why you would be shocked. They have fumbled this case from day one.
Me either,
@@Valorie0221absolutely agree!! This entire case exposed how incompetent that entire police department payroll was..just imagine the lives lost to their incompetence dating all the way back to then laughing and mocking Charles Vallow begging them for help not only for himself but his children as well which in fact they’re partly responsible for the future murders of all three of them! No they aren’t heroes they are idiots.
When my fiancée died in 1993 , I was called to come to the hospital immediately, he was in surgery, I remember every single detail of that day. EVERY DETAIL, from every single minute of that day. Him leaving from work till the phone call, to me waiting, till I was called into the room where I was told he had died during surgery and everything thing after! I was 27 I’m 57 now and it’s crystal clear, still, in my mind. Maybe some people deal with trauma differently? From all my trauma’s and losses and there’s been too many, that was the first. It’s hard to imagine she can’t remember. Then again I wasn’t sucked into a cult. So 🤷♀️
@Sacred Coaching..EXACTLY..when my husband was murdered in 1995, that day,and EVERY detail is forever etched into my mind..EVERY detail!!
She can’t remember because they were only married for 2 weeks and just met each other too.
Sometimes people don't remember because their head is too full to take in anything else. It could be that she was so frightened or confused by what she saw, or suspected, or could not clarify, that she thought she herself was in danger. People don't remember or easily forget for very valid reasons, and it's one of the most misunderstood things that happens every single day.
So sorry for your losses.❤
Even her lawer checks out from the rubbish she spouts about what was in the bag with the money. I wouldn't be surprised if the gun was used by her and the money came from lorries. Who says maybe there were headphones in one sentence, then taking them out and using them in the next. Her kids count the money, but she "doesn't remember" how much it was !?.And who forgets there is a murder weapon in the bag in your house. She should not have got a deal, she should be on the stand in court.
Soooo Mel G said she talked to Alex in December (12/10/19 the day before Tammy is exhumed) and tells Alex she’s been talking to the police. Alex then “tells” Zulema “here’s this bag of money in case something happened to me. Next day Tammy is exhumed (12/11/19). Then Alex suddenly dies (12/12/19). Ummm ok
I'm still baffled that they didn't find a cause of death other than a clot.
@@palmerfamily609 Well based on the previous police interviews I've watch out of this jurisdiction I'm not surprised. Seem they like to wrap it up a case quickly and close the case.
He was in Mexico getting drugs b4 his death so maybe je had a recipe for death 🤷♀️
What is the significance of the bag of money I am wondering
@@ronthompson95 On the day Tammy was exhumed Alex told Zulema there's a bag of money in the loft incase something happens to me. When Zulema asked him why? He said "I think they're going to make me their fall guy" The next day he died, hence he predicted his death was coming soon. That's the significance of the bag of money.
9:47 One of the officers , " Were here today In order for us to try and make you look credible. .. " 😂 . If the police need to " try " and make a witness look credible , Oy vey.
My thoughts exactly! Forcryingoutloud!
lol seriously!!
Are you Jewish because Jewish people say that sentence oyvey
“Anyone who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit injustices.” - Voltaire
🤦🏻♀️You really got the last part wrong… it’s “Truly, whoever can make you believe absurdities can make you commit ATROCITIES .”
@@barbiekat6352 ‘“Truly, whoever is able to make you absurd is able to make you unjust”, (Questions sur les miracles, 1765) is commonly quoted as “Those who can make you believe in absurdities can make you commit atrocities’
I hope the Daybell children have a good support system because I know they'll watch this and this interview is very telling. You'd have to toss out all rationale to keep thinking Chad was framed. Zulema highlights how in charge their Dad was in all this. He was the leader and prophet to these people. He called the shots ultimately because the group relied on his visions.. he had the last word.. For the sake of their mothers memory I hope they stand beside her. She loved them dearly whereas Chad loved himself and lusted over Lori and power to be a last days prophet. Tammy has sort of been left in the dust. I hope her children can see the truth even how painful that truth is. At the end of the day right is right and wrong is wrong. Anybody supporting the idea Chad was framed is turning a blind eye to truth and justice.
So true!
Yes I so agree, they are both manipulators and the puppet masters. The kids will have a lots of sole searching to do after this trail.
Unless they too are followers of his teachings.
They don’t think he had anything to do with this so I doubt they will after seeing this
Cognitive dissonance... the brain can do some crazy things. Chad's kids are adults but they're very young . To accept that your religious Dad could do soo many atrocious things including killing your mom and 2 children .. well that's likely to explode their world and they don't 3v3n have a mom to lean to on .
My wife and I were watching this last night and she noticed that when Zulema first came into the room she quickly slips a ring of her ring finger and tucks it in some sort of cloth then she sits on it, then at the end she casually slips it back on her finger and casually places the cloth under her phone as she is standing up. What's up with that? This women is so sketchy and I don't believe anything she says!
She probably has that weird ring that Lori has
Very strange!!
noticed that too and has kept me wondering
Oh I know!!! Because Zulema got married AGAIN not too long after Alex's death. Great catch on the ring. Thanks for sharing!
No way?? Alex was husband #6. So she’s on husband number 7?? 😳
So crazy that she doesn’t see Alex as a murderer.
So the crazy think is she bought into Chad and Lorie's zombie BS. So he did kill the person just a zombie.
@@axemangang1584 i know .. and the little girl act is horrendous ..
She definitely knows Alex was a murderer, she’s just not going to tell the police that
Zulema asked Alex when she knew Tammy was being exhumed.
If they exhumed this body.
Are they going to find anything.
Are you involved.?
Just think about that for a second.
Was Alex Cox poisoned? (I envision Lori calling and saying, “I left 1 pill in a baggie for you to take and it is time.” Alex takes the pill and it kills him…) Did someone poison him like they poisoned Chad’s wife? Alex did say he felt set up as Lori and Chad’s fall guy. Anything is possible. Where is Melanie P. during the time Lori and Chad were on the run? Clearly, Zulema and Melanie P. were receiving directions to do Lori and Chad’s “will”continually. We know Melanie P. is a liar and criminal. Zulema is in the thick of it too. Cults are crazy.
Very possible. All about controlling others
I pretty sure they said Alex had the pink foam coming out of his mouth like Chad's wife.. 🤨
in my version, it is the wife, Zulema did the job. She submitted completely to Chad and Lori's authority. She was told that Alex turned dark once it became evident that Alex became restless and started having his doubts.
@@miam1074 I'm afraid I reluctantly have to agree and I've been reluctant and I stay reluctant but nothing else makes sense. She very conveniently was not there at the time and that's the Modus operandi of the leaders of the 144 k lol
@@beckylynn209 yes and Lori stated that they may have to drop a couple of White pills into his drink or something along those lines when talking about him as well as others
I’m sorry but I am so angry and disappointed in this LE!! Why did they give her use immunity? Didn’t they see the texts between her and Lori about how she would be there when the “TIME-BOMB” goes off for JJ and that she, ZULEMA WOULD BE THERE TO TAKE HIS SPIRIT TO HEAVEN?? She KNEW THAT LORI AND CHAD WERE GOING YO KILL THAT PRECIOUS BABY BOY AND THEY GIVE HER IMMUNITY? THE DEFENSE WILL RIP HER TO SHREDS! Why AREN’T they asking her the HARD QUESTIONS? All of the LE dropped the ball. That’s my opinion she and Melani P deserve jail time as well!!!
Please note that she has a colorful criminal record...❤
I think they decided they needed to target the most dangerous individuals. Use immunity doesn’t mean permanent immunity from everything so…there may well be trials arising from this total shitshow. I do hope so.
Yessss!!!!!!
Kat, do you have a link please
@@marcosmarin8930 does she? I had assumed that when she was so quick to NOT HELP LE when they were looking for the kid’s. I hope they asked themselves why she tried so very hard to get the cops that were in her house on the day of Alex’s death OUT! There was something in that house that she was afraid of them finding! Like I said, they dropped the ball! So many LE persons did on this case that it’s scary.
I’m sorry like she wouldn’t know what he was being the fall guy for when two children are missing and someone is dead all surrounding him, Lori, and Chad. Give me a break.
She tries to talk with that baby girl voice, just like Lori.
🤢
I’ve noticed that whole group does, I wonder why?
@@michelle3445 not to type cast everyone but I noticed a lot of Mormon ladies do this..trying to appear sweet
That's the Mormon "church" voice.
@@becalee33 Absolutely... the innocence act. They learn that early.
This womens is so full of crap and so involved
Acting like she can't believe their behavior
What a liar
And not even a good liar. She should be brought to justice along with the other conspirators. I don’t know why she would warrant any kind of deal. If The Prosecution’s going to put this liar on the stand they’re crazy.
You may want to skip 21:15 to 47:12, they have a break while one of the detectives leaves to take a call.
THANKU!!! OMG....
The fact that she felt the need to hide her ring in the beginning shows deceptive behavior
Yes I noticed that very sly woman.
Probably because she hadn't told her kids
Her lawyer owes taxpayers 30 mins. He wasnt even in there for 25 mins before taking a 30 min break not to mention the senseless chatter. My Lord!
I’m in 43 minutes, can’t stand it much longer
@@bornstndnupntalknbak I just fast forwarded until I saw him come back in because they can’t discuss the case without him in there.
@@Gilded-girlI’m listening to this on 1.5 speed.
I think there is a LOT of evidence against Chad & Lori. But I think that the witnesses aren’t going to be any good. The only people who know what happened were all also so deeply involved that they won’t tell the truth for fear of implicating themselves.
Zulema is playing all of you. Such a liar.
How so? About what?
I LOVE true crime and this case by far, is the craziest case I've heard in my 30 years of life.
Psycho LDS/cult members, multiple marriages, multiple deaths, murdered children, zombies, how is this real life? 😳
Michele Renee - it is stunning to hear!! This one is horrific, so is the Chandler Halderson murders of his parents-- that trial was also terribly sad.
The Kyle Rittenhouse trial (& I'm not comparing the issue AT ALL...) just, that trial was amazing to watch & the judge was fun to hear when he got feisty.
You left out wife swapping.
Locitos. Chingado. Pinches guritos
Yeah. Needs to be a Movie
@@patde1264 there already is a movie
She knows A LOT more than she claims. Alex was poisoned, I’m convinced. What a crazy story, need the Cohen bros to make a movie about this.
Its just too coincidental that their henchman is the last loose thread they dealt with
I think he did it to himself. Do you guys think? Given that creepy blessing Chad did and Alex telling Z about the cash "in case" & saying he thought he'd be their fall-guy? He wasn't too bright but he probably put 2 and 2 together once he knew Tammy was being exhumed. Idk just a thought. I might be off track.
(edit to say I come back to the blessing and how Chad said A's body would just lay down and he'd leave this world and I think no C&L did it)
This woman was chosen to “protect Lori,”just as Alex- “protect Lori,”she was completely involved. I def think Alex - took something- he thought he was probably going to heaven- Chad probably told him that. Meanwhile Chad & Lori- will be alone- thought Alex can
Lies lies lies ....I hope she goes to jail too.
Me too! Her Use immunity is NOT necessarily the Golden ticket she may think it is!
Lol... I think Hermasillo is mispronouning her name on purpose !
They placed her closest to the door and left it open so she feels no threat and to enforce the idea she is a cooperating witness that has the ability to leave at anytime. This is in an attempt to make her guard go down and say everything she knows in a non-threatening way. She's a very important witness as Alex is dead, Lori's playing coo coo and Chad portaled his self into being oblivious to EVERYTHING and Melanie P. is echoing Chad pretending to be completely oblivious to anything criminal (her days coming)... Zulema was in the inner circle as "Lori's protector" funny now she's helping protect society yet maybe in a way she is protecting Lori. It's not the power to manipulate the elements on earth while keeping Lori in a safe bubble (biggest eyeroll ever) but putting Lori away is in fact helping her. She's a very dangerous criminal. A full-on psychopath who's safest place is behind bars.
They have no credible witnesses. If the verdict is upon Zulema and Melanie than there will be no justice. I hope to God prosecution works better than these detectives. I have said from the beginning that this LDS community is sticking by Chad and Lori.
@@melissascott4361 I agree the credibility will be an issue that the defense will no doubt use. I cringed when the detectives mentioned here that they want to go over lies or "discrepancies" to get ahead of the trial. Let's hope that part doesn't get used in trial as defense will use it against them trying to hodge podge the case. Zulema is an important witness nonetheless because there is all of her text messages that help frame the mindset of the accused and show that Chad was indeed the one calling the shots along with Lori. Chad is using a defense that he was a unsuspecting victim and Zulema's digital info along with testimony will make that nearly impossible to believe. As far as the church is concerned. I see them fleeing on this. They've ex communicated Chad. He was actively telling people that in the last days (which he proclaimed they were in) the prophet and Co. wouldn't be able to "see" what lied straight ahead but HE could. This is why the group was accepting blessings from him. They really thought he was the prophet and seer of the last days to lead the 144k. You can hear how he was constantly saying how special Zulema was. I'm sure he told everyone that. That was a big component in how he assumed control. He played on people's ego or need to feel important or special. He used the mormon scripture but twisted it for his own, sick way. Once he seen the power over people that could be had by claiming his books were real and coupled with his belief people could be reincarnated he became a killer. Lori believed thru Chad's teachings that her children weren't her children and that Tylle and JJ's lives were meaningless because they were adults in heaven and had already lived many lives so they weren't killing children, they were killing demons. This is such dangerous doctrine because it makes it to where if you don't go along with Chad's "visions" you are in danger of being labeled a zombie and if you die, no worries because you'll be reborn. I can't see the church backing this because that would make congregations untamed and their prophet useless. It also makes sealed marriages unmeaningful. That's why this fringe group was having affairs. This is all against the church's teachings but Chad kept getting away with more outrageous things because he was a "visionary" and played on people's ego. He'd go to people he wanted something out of whether it be control, money or power and tell them they used to be someone spectacular in a past life and even though at first the person might not believe it eventually they would and then Chad had control over them and they in turn would leave their marriage. It's really crazy how these people had almost a group psychosis but really at the end of the day the murders came down to the same old reasons: money, lust and power.
Here, we see LE knows what they are doing! Great work from Rexburg PD!
@@melissascott4361 I don't know that the community is supporting Chad. Chad's attorney wants the trial move to another part of the state. He says Chad can't get a fair jury in 5 counties surrounding Rexburg.
@@Chad_Dabal Well said!
Ohh man, this interview is not good. Zulema is lying about something big
They're all lying about everything. They just released Tylees Interview with the Chandler police. Tylees statements just don't add up with the crime scene photos or even Alex's statements to the police about when and how he allegedly shot Charles Vallow. When even a teenager is lying ....
@@sarahrose4126 THIS!^^^^
@@sarahrose4126 you mean a teenager who is protecting the only living parent she has?
If Chad and Lori could manipulate all the adults around them, a teenage girl would have been easy pickings.
Sarah Rose don't even get me started on the Tylee interview. She was SO ALARMED by hearing this "fight" transpire, that she comes out of her room brandishing a baseball bat. According to her, only Charles was yelling, but she couldn't even give one example of what he was saying. Or what anyone was yelling about. You hear yelling, between the only 3 other adults in the house, and it's so scary, you grab a weapon...but have ZERO recollection of WHAT was being yelled??? And none of the cops/detectives ask about this!!! I mean I could describe bar fights I've witnessed years ago, and what they were about even between strangers. And this child can't remember a fight that led to her stepdad being killed, the afternoon it happened?!?!?!
@@KH-cg5wd it's super weird that none of them could remember a single word Charles was saying... from the other video I saw where he was having to break into his own house... after Lori stole all his money in his truck... he seems like a pretty articulate guy.
*They should've told her to talk in her "big girl" voice*
Doesn't remember what was in the bag. "I looked in it a thousand times and for the life of me I just can't remember what else was in it."
Weak ass statement
Oh yeah the gun ...
After listening to her (painfully) she's not only lying. But she's also layinit on pretty thick and m0&
aking Alex out to be the fall guy.
She knows what was in that bag ofcourse she knows lol she took the headphones to wear .when at the start she says there may have been headphones in the bag
Oh yeah the gun...lol
Notice that every question is met with a response of ".....um, maybe,....um, ..." I do not believe ONE thing she said.
Zulema and Mel G keep asking the police if the police remembers what they told them. If their statements were true they’d remember what they said themselves
They also said they both want to just help. As if reading from the same script.
If you tell the truth then its easy to remember.
Btw liars never remember their lies.
They slso say like Melanie kept saying, “ i’m so honest.. I don’t even know how to be dishonest..” 🙄 honest people don’t find the need to keep telling others how honest they are. So crazy.
First of all, you should never lie to anyone, least of all LE. But if you do get caught in a lie, the best thing to do going forward is to be completely honest. That’s the only way to try to gain back even a little bit of trust. And if you explain WHY you lied, you might even get a little sympathy. I don’t know why it’s so hard for Zulema to admit,
“Yes I lied to the Gilbert police because:
1. I was scared
2. I didn’t have an immunity deal
3. A feeling of self-preservation
4. My cult had drilled it in to me to protect Lori at all costs, and I was just falling back on the cult teachings.”
But she’s not admitting any of that. If she had really become “un-brainwashed” from this cult, and was really ready to turn against Lori, wouldn’t she be willing to admit these things? It makes me wonder if she’s still secretly a Lori/ Chad follower. I don’t think she’ll make a very good witness for the prosecution at all!
Oh she's telling the truth she don't remember anything
I think she's probably on the back burner as a witness but she still believes in Chad's cult!
Yeah even during her testimony she came across as a faithful believer
I agree using evil (Zulema) to accomplish good (Lori’s charge of Guilty) is never a good idea. Hope this doesn’t go awry.
Police are the only people I condone lying to, unless you're under oath.
It is so clear that Chad and Lori were building a coalition of followers. AND wanted to grow that coalition to larger numbers. They put effort into recruiting members, and supporting the needs and desires of their members.
Chad and Lori's ultimate goal:
To be the leaders of a large movement, not so different than what Jim Jones was after.
Power and privilege.
That man was a murder and SOMEONE DROPPED THE BALL
Thank you, for posting this, Aimee!
Why had they not confiscated all involveds' phones at the time of all the deaths?
After watching Lori, Tylee, Alex and Zulema’s interviews I don’t even know what to believe. They are all so flat and unemotional. Sickening. Even Tylee was lying I think. You could tell by her face and voice when she is honest and when she is lying.
You could tell Lori coached Tylee when they were taking JJ to school, right after Alex shot Charles. When their stories corroborated, Lori would glance up at the interviewer to see her response. Their stories matched better than Alex's... still plenty of holes though.
Tylee was a child who’d dealt with wackadoodle Lori her entire life. Tylee never got the chance to become an adult and discover what kind of person she’d become.
I know what to believe - they were all in the know.
Tylee was most definitely involved in the cover up of Loris husbands death. She lied to the police about what happened.
Are we here to talk about the Arizona weather, parks, playgrounds and baseball or are we here to talk about Chad & Lori and how everyone around them seemingly ends up dead, including Alex?
I thought the same thing. All these interviews come off as a casual visit with a friend. Therd are missing children but do lets discuss the weather in AX and Idaho. Well done folks, if I visit either place I'll know the weather.
Missing children, dead bodies and yhey discuss the difference in weather and playgrounds and sports. Are missing children expected to be in on playground? Why not discuss the price of tea in China. I understand a couple of minutes to make her comfortable but this was unreal. At this time it was "Where are the children?"
I think perhaps the police were trying to get a baseline on her by asking her questions that were non-threatening to her to see how she reacts, ie. the weather, sports, air conditioning, etc. Also probably trying to get her to relax and trust them. Not sure how successful they thought they were, but after watching The Behavior Panel, this seems to be a technique that interrogators use...
Oh...it was interesting when she says, at dodgers games it is entertaining because the fans want to "Kill" the opposing fans .. 🤔
You get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. If you start yelling at people and hammer them with questions they clam up and quit talking. If you get them talking they say things they don't mean to.
I've been following this case & studied criminal behavior for a couple decades. My conclusion after hearing interviews from family & extended family including Cox's widows' interview where she explains, Cox stated "I hope they're not making me the fall guy". Add the text messages from Chad explaining to Lori how he "burned the limbs (the daughters' body was burned) then he saw a wild raccoon (the young son was described as wild & possessed) & he got "close enough to shoot". Considering the "cause of death report" for the boy it makes sense an unexpected gunshot could have easily rendered him unable to respond, since he was bound by duct tape then wrapped in a trash bag. I consider the texts between Chad & Lori a confession. Lori's texts back to Chad implicate her without doubt, in the murder of both these children.
I'm confused JJ was suffocated with a bag, he wasn't shot?
Tylee might of been.. They couldn't tell her cause of death
17:55- lol 😆 he BUSTED HER! She told lots of lies, she held back a lot of truth. Shame she left her so at home to find Alex - of course she was NOT at the scene at the time of his death. She was chosen to protect Lori. Shady shady!
And after this interview they’re still going with Alex died of pulmonary embolism naturally???
Right? While they sell ocean front property in Arizona !
Does that mean they have killer medication that is undetectable?
Alex may have caused his osn death with drugs he brought back from his international trip just prior to his death.
@@bellesouth3052 Wouldn’t autopsy show lethal doses of drugs? Or they could have said mixed medications interacted.
yes-what a coinky dink!
It seems to me like she didn't want to tell them about the guns. They had to pull it out of her.
This women no doubt guilty in part of the plotting and marriage to Alex , no doubt knowing he would be dead before her own son knew that they had married in Vegas
I think she was going to be getting life insurance from Alex (or at least believed she would be...)
When can we see Melani P's lies I mean interview.
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@@zanpsimer7685 wrong Melani. Not hard to get confused thou.
I just saw her and Ian get served papers for the grand jury... the video was just released.
okay, so she knows EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING except the most fateful moments in her life. Really strange. She also tries to speak innocently with a kind of authority that doesn't exactly challenge the person who she is conversing with but attempts to "educate" them with her vast knowledge. This woman is REALLY dangerous. BEWARE!
Learned new info on the Chase (Diamondback Stadium.) So there’s that.
Nuts like the rest of em
I don't understand why Zulema and the two Melanie's not arrested? I can't stand this woman! She's a disgrace!
Lori and Chad were brewing a big cauldron of coolaid
If i have to testify in an investigation after my husband died i would be in tears all the time and this woman is so sick relax
Love all these April interviews . Amazing how all of them have such bad memories suddenly. Melanie threw them all under the bus. 😄
She sure did 😂😂
Didn't think twice or hold back a single detail.... Accept her own complicity of course... 😂😂
These people are unbelievable... It's not funny given so many people have lost their lives, but the things they say are just MIND blowing?!
@@leo_zero1879 And to think, there's 144,000 of them!
@@leo_zero1879 I noticed Melanie's testimony when she was under oath was a little different than the interviews she was giving... this is going to be crazy when it goes to court.
@@windywednesday4166 I can't wait...
Melanie P.?
I have questions. 🧐
Why do Zulema and Melanie still have their phones? Are they mirrored and given back?
Yes. When police take phones, computers etc they make an exact copy of the device and pull data from the copy. Original is either in evidence or given back.
Good question.
Good God, hot damn!!! When we’re not questioning her involvement in a felony murder, she is a CHATTY CATHY! She won’t let the cops get a word in edgewise-she won’t shutty shutty!!!
Woweee, it’s like a different person!
What the heck?
If I were talking about my deceased husband that I "really really loved" I'm certain that I would have more emotions when relieving and discussing his death. Even if it's 1 year later.
Idk if I'd ever recover tbh.
I mean how long were they married how much love could they have in such a short time
All those quick divorce/widowed and then wed. OMG
They were only married for 2 weeks
@@lorriecroussore3951 they were married for only 2 weeks correct me if I’m wrong
For Zulema and Melanie everything is foggy. They don't remember what is not good for them.
My suspicion is that Zulema is not as innocent as she is pretending. She knows a lot more than she’s saying.
I will have to listen in small segments as her voice is killing my brain
Closed caption….
Whew. Awful.
Chad was predicting Tammy was going to die in a car accident..cops need to check the cars..he definitely was planning it
Russell romo I thought that too. I wonder if they did ?
I thought the same. He did something to the tires or breaks and thought it would fail and when it didn't had to say she turned zombie. What a liar.
Lori’s whole family was weird. They were talking about her mother and father talking about their sex life very openly in front of the kids which means will be Lori and her siblings. There’s so many things about this family that is just not right.
Big deal. The president of the United States does the same thing. Joe Biden and Jill Biden. Plus their son sleeps with their brother's wife because he's in the hospital dying from a defective brain Joe Biden's daughter wrote in her diary that she showered with her father when she was 15 or 16 years old. Hunter Biden's laptop with all the X-rated videos of him and well others let's just say . I seen them myself I couldn't recognize all the different women because I don't know those people but I could definitely recognize Hunter oh my goodness I mean I guess it's perfectly acceptable if your last name is Biden. I know for a fact that he claims to be a practicing Catholic but I also know that's not Catholic teaching it's just his interpretation that it's okay to do it he claims It's All About Love but then again so did Michael Jackson I have no clue what went on there
Mormons…..weird.
She was still loyal to Lori, and Chad when Alex died. So was Melani Pelowski. We still don’t know how involved she is. What I wonder is was she more loyal to Chad, and Lori than Alex? Would she be the hitwoman to take out the hitman?
If she was another Chad groupy, then maybe she would have married Alex just to get him into a position to administer poison to him.
Malachite poison ❤
Yes, I truly think she was.
If they only would have taken Lori into the psych evaluation she had a court order for, instead they bought her story as the victim, told her how to avoid the order. Damn how many people may have been saved? Charles, Tammy, JJ & Tylee at least. Maybe. We will never know. Charles begged everyone for help, warned the police, the courts, the people involved in the divorce, the church, told his family & friends ... No one took him serious or believed him enough that his life was in danger. Even though he asked for a protection order & psych evaluation for Lori. Probably because he was a man, and Lori - the she devil in disguise as a beautiful to look at, with a sweet baby voice psychopath, manipulating all these men, like she has all her life, got away with it long enough to destroy many more lives. So many people enabled her, Chad & Alex! No one trusted the police to go tell them what they knew. They still are trying to hide and only talk to save their own asses. RIP Charles. And all the rest of the victims. Condolences and prayers for healing to all the family and friends whose lives who will be forever bent and broken by these evil killers and their enablers. There isn’t enough justice in the universe to make any of this better for them. Show them no mercy just like they showed none to their victims. I hope Lori & Chad get the death penalty, and I hope Alex and all of the Zombie Killer cult members get what they deserve & spend eternity burning in hell. Because if there is such a place, it was made for them.
Welcome to the Mormon Manson Family Christmas.
The pious Mormon Manson family Christmas
Not happy bob and pretty bird, code words. Wtf..... Melanie and Ian are in the middle of this neck deep , they all are.
Exactly, they ALL knew and planned everything, and ALL need to go to jail with chad and Lori
Any Melanie P. interrogation tapes released?
@@shanns69 yes
@@shanns69 I just saw the one where the police were serving Melanie and Ian with papers for them to go to the Grand Jury... but I haven't seen any police interviews.
Yep. They're all crooks.
I dunno about you all, but I’d be spilling my entire guts if I were in her position. Every single detail, every memory, every thing I’d overheard, every dang suspicion I had about stuff I didn’t know for sure! So frustrating to watch this 😖
She would be landing herself neck high is 💩 if she told the truth. She knew exactly what was going on, the who's, the why's he where's and he how's. Her lies were so ad that her lawere sat ack and disengaged when she was spouting her cock and bull story about what was in the bag.
I love how it's so easy to tell when she's lying and how when her lawyer leaves LE sets up a base line of her talking about things and remembering things in order to tell when she's lying. 👍Good job Rexburg LE!
Very nicely done.
I wouldn’t Pat those people on the back at all in this case. I am flabbergasted over how many law enforcement agencies did NOTHING for so long. They failed those kids, TD, Ryan, and especially Charles. Don’t forget about the attempted murder of BB.
(But yeah, I agree with you.)
@@therealwilfreddierkes9980 that was the Chandler police department that completely failed at their jobs and then offered Lori a victims advocate, not Rexburg.
@@therealwilfreddierkes9980 agree with this 100%
After watching interviews of Gibb and zulema I now believe chad daybell was living out a real life dungeons and dragons. And Chad was dungeon master. Calling out where demons were and how many,the group uses prayer fire water earth elements to eliminate them. Then he would deem them destroyed... oh but wait...a new one has come and several surround the house. Because the portal wasn’t sealed... I’m seeing that He merged bastardized lds doctrine and d&d to have a murderous affair...
D and d was big in lds church in Utah maybe 20+ years ago and then the church looked down on the game for fear of it leading to darkness or satan worship... this was back during satanic panic times. Chad grew up lds Mormon in Utah so I bet he has played d&d before
The difference is this is real life it isn’t a game it’s not fantasy role play
They murder anyone in their way to the ultimate prize of fulfilling their lust and trying to be worshipped as head prophets of a cult
Does anyone else see that similarity?
Of chad acting like a dungeon master with his visions and story telling pulling out past lives multiple probations, zombies, rating light and dark levels.
I see a dungeon master
It blows my mind how many people they had believing this. They were deceiving everyone. Chad isn’t a visionary prophet counting spirits Lori doesn’t travel in closet portals they aren’t here to lead anything or anyone they re just serial killers
I 100% agree
It's possible that the detectives are acting the way they are to get her to relax and freely talk. Immunity may be able to be withdrawn if she says something that turns out to be untruthful?
Correct. Immunity is voided if the person lies
Is there something in the water over there? I feel like im watching dumb and dumber!
Haha I K R? Do you want the scissors of can we take a look at them? What? Where was the 6 AM swat team? These people are all being treated like guests. I was interrogated hard core. For 13 hrs two days in a law suit and I was the plaintiff. I felt like I was the one being prosecuted and it was only a depostition.
😆
Her husband was the killer and she was the receptionist speaking with codes.
she really does not want to say what was in the bag lol,such a liar,so obvious
Right!
What was in the bag? I don’t remember. Was there money? Yes. How much? I don’t remember. Guns? Oh yeah. A phone? Yes.
So ridiculous.
"I'm trying help " is what they all say now but where was their help when the sicko's were talking about two totally innocent children going dark! If you want to help totally hand over the stupid phone. The damage these waste of spaces have caused is imaginable!
Big Mac was retired 2 years BEFORE that stadium was built 🤦♂️
I can’t believe how these people claimed to be able to control tornados etc and to be the ones that were going to help run the new world after the apocalypse, but in interviews they are scattered, pathetic, and ignorant. Amazing to me that they all were so delusional about how important they were.
The camera angle is so 1990. Why, in 2022, is it still placed only at this angle.
It is absolutely shocking that Rexburg police are as clueless here as Gilbert PD was.
“We are just trying to eliminate some things that might be brought up by the defense…ok”?
Why are they immediately giving her not only power but it’s like..‘ Don’t worry we know you were not involved, didn’t know what was really going on’?
Had they READ her F’ing TEXTS yet with Chad?!?
Telling Chad how wonderful it was to hear Tammy died (the day after she died) and that “the Lord is wonderful”?!
What kind of a sick individual says that and coos with her fiancé the day after Tammy died that “Chad & Lori are so cute”?!
Sick less than human these monsters are!
They are saying these things only to get her to talk. They are under orders to target the most dangerous individuals so Zulema and the rest are a means to do that. I believe that there will be further indictments further down n the road but L.E. Are clearly going for the leaders of this insane death cult first.
They arent giving her power they r luring her into a false sense of security… its the same when the officer leaves the room and leaves the door wide open, its a tactic to make her feel like shes not in an interogation its just a “casual chat/ catch up” everything these detectives donin interviews has a reason behind it… even the cant about the weather the games its make her feel at ease woth them ans bring her guard down… they wudve been studying the change in her dimeanor etc… she defo knows more than shes letting on tho… they were definately a cult and they shud all be up on charges but they have been given immunity now so they cant b touched… but an inportant thing that melanie gibb said …. “Chad and lori arent the only ppl who believe these things” so trhere is absolutely others, melanie deboaux is defo in on it in my opinion…and they all did regular podcasts… so who r the ppl listening to them? They were obvs making them for ppl to hear… i think gibb did know alot butni think they cudnt fully brainwash her hence emwhy they never told her she had a “power” as to leave her out in a sense so she wud work harder to be in more with them if that makes sense but she didnt she went the opposite way when it came to the children being missing… its heartbreaking what happened to those children but in a way they have saved probably alot of ppl because them going missing brought to light wat these whack jobs were doing… doendt make it any easier wrap ur head around the whole thing is crazy! And the kicker about the whole thing is if someone had just listened to charles from the start none of this wudve happened… he knew she was going nutts and no one wud listen to him… he told the police everything and they took no notice…now they wanna be “thorough” because they must feel a little guilt in some way that they had a few chances to save those kids and they did nothing :( so so sad for all the victims… the daybell kids think he was framed 😂 he was the driving force… denial at its finest… this whole case has just been insane… lock up these wackos n stop wasting everyones time its so cleae what happened here… and if earth rules didnt apply to chad n lori n their BS then they shudnt b entitled to a fair trial
zulema and mel g. should be thrown in jail as well
They could take immunity off the table if she doesn’t hold up her end no?
The phrase” a wolf in sheep’s clothing” comes to mind. Or “Crazy like a Fox”
This little cult enforcer has a lot of information “at the back of her mind.”She knows way more than she is chirping about.
WHY DIES SHE STILL HAVE HER PHONE..they should have gotten a WARRANT TO GET THAT. She knows WAY MORE THEN WHAT SHE'S SAYING. Why isn't she under investigation big time?
quick question, since this is an active case is it allowed/legal to have these interviews out in the public to see?
The police dept wouldn’t release them if it was illegal to do so.
Yes it was made public so clearly they don’t see it as a card to pull later against them
Why isn't the county sheriff in there and slapping the cuffs on her and taking her to jail. She's clearly a liar and they can prove it. That is a crime in and of itself.
Do you remember all the podcast you did with Lori..or maybe the swing sessions with the whole group.
Bed hoppers the lot of them , changed partners / husbands like you’d change your underwear
So convenient not to remember
odd people dont believe her. i find her n her demeanor to be much more stable than Gibb. her interview was thorough, not beat around bush. idk i like her interview better she wasnt sketched out n all over the place like Gibb
She might just be more clever than Gibb.
Agree. Zulema has a long history of criminal activity. Zulema is much more practiced!
I think Gibb likes drama and was caught up in all of Chad and Lori’s hocus pocus. She seems to enjoy being interviewed.
I think gibb was just happy to be with the cool kids with lori.
@@barbarahenninger6642 My dogs are more clever than MG. However, I do also think she knows waaaaaaay more than this.
This woman is friends with Lori. They need to redo his autopsy!!! Alex had become a liability in Loris life.
Zulema is lying to you. She was at many meetings at Lori's. Before Charles was killed she was part of that planning session. She knew Lori and Chad quite well not just a few times. She met with Lori at her house everytime they were trying to get rid of zombies.
If marriage is so so sacred to these individuals ,why so many? Like poligamy no idea of committment .
Seriously zulema.. you can't remember what was in the bag with the cash??
Yes! She remembers details about the bag and how it was in a ziploc bag but doesn’t remember what was in it?!!?! Also, her original statements about not knowing Chad and Lori were in Hawaii and not k owing how to reach them. That was a ball face lie as she said that they had conference calls with them.
“Between 5 and 7 thousand dollars” …. I think if my kids counted it and told me how much, I would remember.
Why did they not ask why Alex took her last name?
So different on the stand vs this interview! On the stand, she speaks very low and slowly. She can't remember details.0
Wow money gun and probably some dooe! Oh and a phone! Things we have not heard of before! She isn't being very giving of information! Strange stuff!
She knows more than she's letting on. Did she slip something in Alex's drink? His death is weird 😢
Extremely wired. His autopsy showed he had several heart related issues. Something about clogged arteries etc. He passed away the day after he knew that Tammy Daybell's body was to be exhumed. IMHO his nerves, anxiety and fear made his body freak out and ended him...
The trial has already had testimony about his untimely passing and it's been made clear there is no suspicion behind or with it..
How could she not remember what was in the bag besides money? Like she's gotta really ponder if there was anything else and then decides maybe headphones but actually no. Lol.
She really doesn't say anything new that already been revealed so I can't understand the immunity deal?