I thought this was going to be another crazy unaccessible printer that only large printing companies could afford. But it costs less than a prusa. That’s insane
I honestly did do. Pricing was not initially available when I had agreed and I was expecting north of $2k. That was actually one of my questions when I had a follow up call with them. It sounds to me like one of the key differences is automation in manufacturing. I was told roughly 80% of the machine is assembled by robots which should mean higher precision and quicker output.
@@ModBotArmy "Higher precision" and "robots" don't necessarily go hand in hand. Ask Elon Musk why he nearly went out of business in 2018. He "Over-automated" his General Assembly lines and found out what the rest of us already knew, that the human eye is still the master of the "Fit and Finish" universe. How would I know? I was one of the bazillion Controls Engineers approached to help out during that time. Vision systems are even worse, probably 50% of them get ripped out before ever getting fully commissioned. Last year I was called into a plant to finish up a project that loaded blanks into a Mazak lathe. It had a vision system which was never going to work since the blanks had the ends basically "polarized" due to the marks from the band saw. So the rotation angle of the blanks would either show a bright reflection, or a dull dark gray. The vision system couldn't handle it. Robots are usually very repetitive, but don't bank the farm on it. At a car factory that I used to work for the robots went whack-a-doodle and a number of spaceframes had to be scrapped. That was a weird one... What's more common is that welds go missing and someone has to set up shop in the screen guard and hand weld the missing spots before the jobs reach General Assembly. But one of the most frequent jobs for our electricians was to "touch up" the paths for robots.
@@ModBotArmy any chance you could give them a feedback that we all general would love a standalone software for the app rather than online and also the ability to use it will CURA.
This is the DJI style FDM printer we never got! Great video - I am blown away. The only thing that sounds too good to be true is the price for what you get. Nevertheless I can imagine it being successful and stirring up the industry!
yeah kickstarters for 3d printers tend to be dodgy. I would question it. I've seen the same being said about many printers like a few years ago when people said it about delta printers and yet Ender series went on to rule the roost. same here. sorry. it won't shake up anything. 3D printing is no longer about innovation. that was the start. now it's about bringing certain standards to budget printers such as auto-leveling and filament sensors. And QOL stuff like linear rails. what these guys never talk about is the energy used .. to go twice as fast doesn't cost twice the energy... it actually costs more. like with the new Anker Kickstarter... nobody is mentioning that it uses a TON of electricity in a time when energy prices are out of control. just seems rather bot-like. and sorry but who is this for? it's got all the stuff aimed at people new to 3d printing... if you are experienced you can mod even an Ender 3 to be this fast and good for cheaper and have more control over parts used.. if it's for newcomers why is it so fast and expensive? auto leveling and calibration is amazing... if you are new to printing. if you aren't calibrating e steps really ain't hard and even most Ender's and Anycubics come pretty well calibrated... in fact I've only ever had to calibrate one Ender 3 V2... as for levelling and tramming... I don't know why anyone struggles. I've never used adhesive or gluestick because I always got told: if you level and tram properly, keep the nozzle free of blocks and keep the bed clean of oils from skin you won't have problems with the first layer nor elephant foot. the only time you might want a BL touch or something is for with Jiyers when using it to make a mesh of build plates. And why not just use Prusa and Cura for slicing? this is like when an SLA printer does it... just let us use the slicer we want. so annoying.
The same tought I had! I believe the auto built 3D printers will be almost dead soon if this kind of products will be out more and more... like exactly happened with custom built drones for aerial videos when DJI showed up :(
woah woah woah woah woah... this is hands down the most impressive FDM 3d printer i ever seen... this pretty much beats every other FDM printers, modded, self-built or commericials... it has pretty much every single advanced features that most advanced users dreamt of tightly integrated into the printer.... the mechanical designs also make sense.... i am just speechless throughout the entire video.... THIS IS THE DREAM PRINTER.
@@chrismorrison9140 haha, perhaps because when we are manually adjusting the bed, we are talking about adjusting for 100ths of a mm. Sensors doing autoadjusting is great in theory, the question is what is the accuracy and precision of this process. I suppose if it is 100% automated, perhaps it doesn't have to be 100% as good as the best human adjustments to sell the feature to me. But it does have to be say, 70% as good.
$1500 for something from a company with no history... erm... sure. Personally I don't see that spending twice the cost of a i3 as being worth it. That price is going too high. if it's over a grand it best be something special. remember this that he is looking at is $999 as an early bird special. It says as much on their website.
If i wasn't building a Voron 2.4 id just buy 2 of these. I really like the auto flow, i'm all for automating every function of tuning and calibration, only missing the nozzle touch probe like a cnc machine. I however would not want cloud services, if you need remote access just use chrome remote desktop.
Definitely an interesting project. Feels like they are in the forefront of the next gen consumer FDM evolution. Some things that are scary to me: - closed source design by new company - any sort of cloud based dependencies - kickstarter Back in the day I did kickstart the Craftbot, also a closed source (hardware and software) by a new company. This was in the early days of crowdfunding, and Craftunique did deliver the product (only a few months behind schedule). And it was my 3d printer for many years before upgrading to a Prusa. Craftunique to this day still exists, and making newer versions of the Craftbot. Maybe Bambu Labs is aiming at a similar market, but with much more innovation. I do wonder how much of Bambu's tech came from (or initially came from) open source, and now are behind closed doors. Unless there is an extremely compelling reason, I'd really like to stay away from any sort of cloud based dependencies. Too many crowdfunded cloud enabled devices have become paperweights after the companies disappeared. And finally, kickstarter... ugh... ok, I'll admit, this printer almost has enough slick marketing to make me want to. But no, I promised myself after my last failed hardware kickstarter, that I would never back another project. Kickstarting is basically throwing your money into the ocean, and hoping magically a fish will jump in to your boat some time later. The platform itself really doesn't have two sh*ts to give about the funders. I'd more likely do a pre-order direct from the company than a kickstarter (like I did with the Prusa XL). Regardless, a very interesting project and if nothing else, should put some fire under the seats of established giants of industry (Josef are you watching??) and encouraging them to be more daring and bringing more innovation to our industry.
@@igorchak48 very curious what they will do with the lidar and camera set up. I mean, there is the theory, and then there is execution. If it all works, then it definitely creates a nice feedback loop. Instead of just hot plastic melters, printers can actually see if they are actually printing the thing they are suppose to print.
@@igorchak48 And yeah, it certainly does appear to share some similarties with the Voron project. Honestly, pushing mass commercialization of Voron's features is a good thing. Hopefully it will also push other companies forward. I have been tempted to do a Voron build, but honestly cannot commit the time or energy into it.
Fantastic and informative overview. Thanks. The temperature issue in the slicer is a big deal. They are overheating to compensate for the speed. It should be the other way around. The slicer/printer/hotend should be able to accommodate the speed but it should have the optimum temp in the slicer for the filament. So when it's small moves like your example the printer is at the right temp. RRF has feed forward which means it can anticipate the coming moves and heat up the hotend ready for the high flow. They need to look at this. I wouldn't want my profiles to have to be adjusted for speed.
I am fairly sure this is a must buy as early bird. This looks so promising I am blown away. I originally wanted to build a voron 2.4 and parts prices have increased by so much that I can no longer reliably spend the required funds on a project like this. But this printer ticks almost all the requirements I had at a much more compelling price point. Ey people are out for my money once again :D
This is very impressive, especially for that price, I might get one for retail later on this year if everything turns out well on their end. Also I wonder if lenovo might have a problem with the name X1 carbon considering they have a laptop line with that exact same name
no they don't have laptops with same name. X1 laptops are Lenovo. Do you also think the Elagoo Mars and Mars Confectionary's Mars Bar are similar? lol. I mean Lenovo have only been making the X1 series of laptops for a decade now... pretty sure they are up to their 10th gen.
Copyright for names only protects against using the same/ name colours etc in the same sector. E.g if lenovo made a 3d printer or scanner etc called the X1 carbon before Bambu did, only then would they have the right to sue.
Thanks for the video. Clearly a better printer than most of us thought. That said, their failure to use an opensource slicer, firmware and building their own web server are three HUGE strikes against them. Eventually they will stop working on the slicer and firmware as they either go under or move on to new projects. That gives this product a short shelf life as far as printers go. Having a proprietary ecosystem likely means they plan to sell over priced service/replacement parts, charge for cloud service... even if they deny it now... and try to take advantage of their closed ecosystem to make money down the road. There's a business case to be made for that. On the other hand, a company that truly believes in their product, wouldn't be scared of opensource software... instead would embrace it because that means they would benefit from the work of many unaffiliated developers.
Thanks man :). I still feel like there was more I couldn't cover but I spent a ton of time on this trying to make it as thorough as possible. Agreed, it is absolutely insane.
good to see a new printer that's actually a well thought out and usable tool out of the box. the proprietary cloud software is a little concerning. Understandable though. the lidar rig probably needs a fair bit of custom work. I'd feel a bit better if the remote printing didn't require going out of a network I control. proprietary is fine if you aren't worried about critical infrastructure dropping out from under you. That said, it still looks like a very promising machine and software suite. It's what an entry level machine for the layman should be. I may pick one up after it releases.
I would love to see more prints once you do some manual setting adjustments to see how clean of prints are actually possible with it. Would also like to see how it handles a very large print with dissolvable supports.
Seems an extremely well thought out machine. I've been thinking about some kind of vision-based first layer calibration for a while. I'm surprised their LIDAR can achieve sufficient accuracy. I suspect it's really a triangulation sensor, not a true LIDAR (which is fine and would be impressive as I have Keyence triangulation sensors at work that cost more than this printer). What ever happens to Bambu and this printer, they have shown the way. My biggest concern is if they can maintain a low price point? Are they badly under-pricing the Kickstarter? I won't be pre-ordering this as I'm done with Kickstarter (at least for a while), and won't be an early adopter for a company that has no track record (I did pre-order a Prusa XL, as I trust the brand). I wish then success though.
once again this should be your first red flag for a (possible) scam. Your saying a fully assembled pritner, is better, calibrated, and ready - than a voron or ratrig or sk-tank, and is cheaper? The Triangle doesn't agree. You can either be Better, Cheaper, or Easier on the User, but not all 3.
@@xXKisskerXx First of all, this printer isn't better than any of those printers you listed. Secondly, you need to do more research before concluding that something is a scam because it's "too good". They've manufactured up of 500 units, and shipped around five production units to reputable youtubers. It isn't a red flag to have a machine that works. It seems like they've combined the cheapness of chinese manufacture with a ton of R&D work to make an excellent machine. I just hope it actually sells at their claimed prices.
@@xXKisskerXx You are 100% wrong. Voron and ratrig are good (and very expensive) printers. But what the X1C has that voron and ratrig does not, is 100 DJI super smart engineers and custom from top to bottom hardware and software, ala Apple. They also have a ton of sensors and AI software that voron and ratrig do not have. The magic of the X1C is the beautiful choreograph between hardware and software. They have done what the industry should have done many years ago. IMO, they will own the 3D printer market within 24 months.
as someone burned on kickstarter by even known companies, this seems too good to be true, especially what the printer is, claims to do (does in your testing), and the under $2,000 US pricing. I mean when you think about it, SK-Tank, RatRig Vcore3, Vorons, all mostly sourced or kitted sourced, and cost nearly as much (more than the basic kickstarter $800, up to and exceeding the $1,500) for similar build volume, speeds, and capabilities. I don't see how they can do this, with the AMS system as well, for that cheap, at least long term. the KS special pricing on the Carbon with AMS - $1149 The ENTIRE site advertisement is CGI as well, even the shots of the printer, which doesn't bode well. EVEN the video 'showing off' the printer, is CGI - it seems to have an AMS unit that is real, but nothing showing off the printer being used, printing, or otherwise 'real'. Your telling me they couldn't show some footage of them test printing a benchy? I just dont feel well about this. It seems they made a prototype or 2, sent them out to reviewers, told you all not to say anything "too negative, but well formed opinions are permitted', and plan to make a killing in 'sales' that will never actually be made or sent out to backers on kickstarter. (if you have to ship them back, this is even more support of this claim) The claim of kickstarter in May and Shipping in July - also doesn't make sense. Why do they need to kick-start, if they are basically ready to go? 2 months is not enough time to get any sort of funding into manufacturing or production lines to make thousands of printers to be ready for shipping. The lead time just doesn't make sense with expectations, with reality kicking in about how this more and more feels like a scam, a genius scam, but a scam. "make a few production models, send them out to get word of our amazing product to those that want it, make the production models a 'force return' to resend to other reviewers, then kickstart, get plenty of pledges, then rug pull and only send out the production models to show we were serious, but had complications unforseen" I don't know maybe I have been burned by Kickstarter nonsense just 1 too many times. (Thanks Creality for the recent asshatry) and just can't trust in a project "this big" being "this fast" and "this cheap" for what it claims it can do (again, shown in YOUR test production model sent out)
These are real concerns, and I’m very skeptical considering just how ‘too good’ this is. With that said they do have a UA-cam channel where you can see them making timed benchies. Maybe updating the website isn’t a priority? And even at full msrp this is a great deal without all the risk of being burned.
To be honest it's not uncommon for "off the shelf" products to be cheaper than building something yourself, especially if they can rely on economies of scale and automation. Still, I'd probably just wait for the product to actually start shipping before buying.
This is made for me. The only things I see here I would want is different print nozzle sizes on-demand (tool changer) and larger volume. But the speed makes up for the nozzle size issue so for smaller prints this looks awesome. Smaller is often faster also, so it sounds tailored well for a fast prototype system.
Soooo .. that Kickstarter went well. I've never pledged for a KS printer before, but we'll see how this goes. Was able to win the refresh lotto and get an Early Bird X1-Carbon. The Full Combo was sold out pretty quickly. I don't expect there to be much available by later today, they mastered the just-enough-units at the outrageous pricing to generate the buzz and hype they wanted, that's for sure. So for those wondering how this was going to be sustainable, that's your answer. Very limited supply at the Early Bird and KSpecial pricing (approximately 500 units each model / tier) .. they can effectively break even or take a loss and make up from it with the marketing they received. My current printer is a ~5-6 year old unit, so it was in need of a replacement. I'll likely give it to a local school.
That's pretty sweet. I missed the early bird prices so I'm just going to wait it out for updates. I am considering a prusa XL just because the build volume is bigger for my needs but no doubt bambu lab is using tech that makes every other hobby level machine jealous. Heck even some industrial machines are jealous. It's like an advanced 3d systems Cube Coretrio and voron tech had a better baby. Love the colors, love the lidar, love the speed. Their turn around time is way better than prusa though.
My big concern is, how confident are you that this will continue to receive support? This looks amazing and I would hate to see this die. Mainly with the software perspective, 3d printing software, be it the slicer, firmware, and apps are developing quickly and I don't want to see that fall behind. If confidence is high, I am buying this immediately.
You should be rather concerned if you can buy one for the MSRP after since it just blows away the competition with ease. If print-farms can produce the same amount of products with 5 to 8 times less printers, the demand will sky-rocket.
I'm betting this thing really took the wind out of the sails of the Anker Make team at those price points. I really like it overall, but I just hope they do something about the cloud connectivity - let users print directly to the printer over local network w/o requiring internet.
@@jonhaze7537 Really going to depend what type you want and for what you want it for. The AnkerMake seems to be a much needed innovative package on the bed slinger approach where as the BLabs is the CoreXY approach. The latter is aimed at speed and I think is the overall better value at the EB/KSpecial pricing. I'd say with the exception of a very few features (the BLabs Lidar/Structured Light being one), neither of these printers are truly "new" .. they're just polished consumer friendly packaging of what enthusiasts have been doing to their printers, which is the normal evolutionary step in FDM printing we tend to see every few years. In ~5 years we're likely to see a lot of these features reach the economy of scale and filter down .. like with car manufacturing, high tech stuff goes to the custom (e.g. enthusiast driven tinkerer's), then luxury brands, then trickles down to the mid tier, and finally lands on the budget tier of every model.
I see your comment! 2 times is still not good but better than the last time. Totally, I feel the same way and have even been debating on backing this one myself. I could use a pair for prototyping or batching out quick parts.
My concern is that they don’t have enough margin in the product, they will go bankrupt, and the customer will be left with a proprietary printer with no parts available and no software updates
Had similar thoughts. Even at the full MSRP it's hard to feel like they're making any margin and I have to suspect that the RFID chips will eventually DRM what filament the machines will accept.
@@voicesarefree Yup! There was a lot of engineering that went into this and I know what engineering time costs when you roll it into the product cost.. I hope I'm wrong though.. I have a print farm and would like to pick up a couple of these to test, but I will probably wait a while to confirm reviews once they hit the market officially.
@@voicesarefree Completely wrong, there are absolutely 0 expensive parts, if you know some ppl in the industry you can manufature this for around 400 all in with shipping, still a thin margin but it's fine.
@@revoltoff Perhaps 'any' was the wrong word to choose, and 'sufficient' would have been better. Like others have mentioned, all the wages and infrastructure around selling hardware demand either massive volume, large margins, or some other monetization scheme like DRM or subscriptions. The X1 has a lot of software that at this point looks (fully?) proprietary, and custom software development is not cheap. FWIW, I worked for a printer manufacturer for ~4 years developing in-house manufacturing software. I have some relevant industry experience informing my opinion. The X1 is an exciting concept and I would love to be proven wrong.. but I suspect the currently stated MSRP will have to rise or other "all-in" costs will need to be added for Bambu to turn a profit.
3 questions; 1,The lead screws are connected with a belt and not individually driven, does the printer have any form of manual/actual leveling? 2, Does the build plate have anything to line up against? This seems like a small thing but is a very nice feature to have. 3, the prints look decent given the speed, but how's the quality when you slow it down? Can it print nice as well as fast?
I take it all back. No image processing needed, no cameras at all! The WiiMote has a specialized IR sensor (Pixart) that reports the position and intensity of up to 4 IR spots, and it 'speaks' in ic2. Sensor is looking at the print-bed under the nozzle; two or more IR light-sources mounted to print-head shine onto the print-bed; when all the IR spots converge, Z-height is known precisely. When data from the sensor indicates a single spot, convergence! Z-probe 'hit'! Conversely, an observed spacing between spots could indicate distance (or slope!) between print-head and reflective object; Z-offset from already printed features? Did non-planar printing just get easier? Z-offset on a contoured surface?
Thst's a really impressive machine and overall psckage, especially the multi-color printing system with buffer. A single nozzle with an external switcher really is the best solution (and easiest to calibrate). This machine definitely raises the bar for printers in its price range, and for other firmware to improve their feature sets and user experience. Amazing product to come out of a Kickstarter too, as they are usually a lot more janky at the pre-release stage. Exciting times.
Very impressive. This is definitely a machine I will keep an eye on. Not a fan of Kickstarter, cloud printing or proprietary/custom slicers. Why not just Octoprint support and just save the effort of spinning up cloud resources and software? And why not a Cura plugin to support their slicer extensions? I'm pretty sure any of the open source slicers could be extended to support all of their nice features. Then it's automatically cross platform, they get the benefit of improvements to the open source engines and users can use the interfaces they already know and like.
Very impressive machine, however the lack of a "local" slicer and requirement for cloud connectivity is a deal breaker for us. It is off the shopping list....for now.
Thank you for a great video! I like to replace my 10+ Years old Rostock II and I'm deciding what printer to buy. My first choice is Bambu Lab X1-Carbon Combo 3D Printer. But I also see all the problems and "bad Customer Service..." and that isn't good for my situation. I like a printer like my Rostock from SeeMeCNC that is reliable and good CS with fast response. Now you had this printer for 1+ years - do you use it frequently? What trouble have you run into since this review? If you had to pay for it with your money, would you buy it today? If not, what printer would you buy?
I can't wait until some of these new features trickle down into more basic printers and into klipper for the firmware things. I wouldn't buy one of them, but I'm also not the target audience. But I am very glad for anyone innovating in this space as it pushes other manufactures to do the same (Prusa comes to mind, revolutionizing 3d printing with the mk3 and now most of the features are standard even on fairly budget printers).
Would be awesome if the LIDAR was active during the entire print to start compensating for geometric inaccuracies (slow things down/extra cooling if the bridges or small features are not coming out as intended). Also, I hope they provide an SDK so the LIDAR can be used with other slicers if they go out of business.
This looks like a Voron Trident with camera monitoring, laser bed leveling (something I never seen in hobbyist printers), and all tuning automated. If they can do all this below $1500 and add the ERCF on top it's awesome.
Great video. Thanks for making it. Is it possible to do a manual z adjustment for the first layer in the case that the sensors fail? Looking forward to your livestream!
Can you connect the device to octoprint to avoid the cloud entirely? I'm not a fan of cloud services so I generally block them entirely. Cloud services have had way too many security issues in my experience.
Agreed fully; I can fully forgive the proprietary hotend (despite there being so many good options these days) as those will likely be easy to source from them (hopefully!). But having to be locked into their cloud service for a machine that's *on my local network* is just goofy.
Great price, makes sense to actually buy this over build your own. But not being open source and all proprietary means im just going to apply these ideas to my ender. Dope af tho
print from micro-SD cards... if you have fingernails. I'm watching this while drinking Tequila and realizing I have plenty of money in my playpal account to buy this... dangerous combo. I think I'll wait until I'm sober to make this decision. My Prusa I3 mk3 has printed flawlessly and is also "no touch".
Nice. But a bit small for my needs. I just got done with a couple of prints that maxed out my CR-10, so going smaller isn't very attractive to me. I see elements of the HevORT in it with the three axis bed leveling and the carbon fiber rails. That should definitely help. I am interested in its AMS system, having used and then abandoned the Mosaic.
the three axis bed leveling is different than that of the hevort. Hevort has three individual motors which can change the angle of the bed, while this only has one motor belted to three lead screws that cannot change the bed angle. Also, the carbon fiber rails are completely different. hevort uses a carbon fiber gantry, while the rail is normal steel. This printer uses carbon fiber tubes for both the gantry and the rails, using bushings instead of linear rail carriages.
@@morbus5726 Ah, I didn't know that about the lead screws. So what's the point then? The carbon fiber setup on this printer is their way of doing weight savings. So, close enough. FWIW, I've got a ~600mm cubed HevORT with the carbon fiber gantry and the titanium hardware. I'm also using two Teknic Clearpath Servo motors for the X & Y axis. I'm sticking with the Duet controller for now, and I (finally) have my Aluminum HextrudORT working like I want it to, so once I get off of my butt I'll mount it and install the drive belts. Because I went cheap and bought the knockoff Bondtech clone from eBay I had to buy a 25mm bull gear from McMaster-Carr (the knock-off one is 1mm bigger and won't fit the frame of the extruder). Still, the fake Bondtech & replacement gear was ~$80 less than the Bondtech.
@@MrWaalkman the point is probably just to provide a more stable platform. 3 points is more stable than 2. Also, they can save money (on motors and couplers) by only using one motor with belts to power all three. If the printer's assembled well, there's really no need for tri point leveling.
@@morbus5726 Color me "Skeptical" on the no need part. We'll see. But it is a gauntlet in the face of companies that do the bare minimum - or less. Looking at you FLSun.
My MK3S+ order literally shipped yesterday! I don’t know what I would have done had I seen this video then, but I think I probably would’ve cancelled it and backed this. Looks incredible.
With Prusa you are getting massive support community with it. My Prusa has been printing for years, mostly print and leave, very reliable. Just a bit slower than this, but beautiful prints. This company has zero credibility yet, a lot of proprietary stuff, it could even be a scam at that low price. Give it another year or more before you decide on this printer. Prusa will serve you well for the time, you can always add this to your stable later.
@@karoo_bushman6880 Yeah, can't agree more with the "wait for it" advice. I have the Mk3s+ since less than a year or so and while this machine (from the video) looks so good, there are some VERY real concerns with it (the software, being a kickstarter to name a few). With Prusa you have a finished product which... well, prints amazingly fine - from very little miniatures (even on stock 0,4mm nozzle), to big stuff. If someone doesn't need super high printing speeds, then Prusa is just good enough and a very safe purchase, and one can even sell it and buy this thing, IF it becomes a real retail product, with good support etc.
So far I love it. A pre built proven printer for the same price as a voron 2.4 on which you have to spend many hours building and tuning. If it works like this video I will sell both my i3s and my Voron 2.4. I will just get this and a Prusa XL.
I am definetly gonna way until it comes out and people do reviews after the kickstarter. The only tjing I dont like are the cloud features and some propritery software. But again I am gonna wait till it release to make a decision if I am gonna buy it or not.
So you are telling me that for less than a Prusa i3 you can get this AMAZING machine? Incredible, i’m shocked. I would really love to buy this printer in the future.
I've always been taught that when something looks too good to be true, it usually is. If they are able to sell this printer for 699/MSRP 999 with the exact same build quality as in this video i'm sold, but i don't quite buy it. How the hell are they able to sell this printer for this little money when you can barely get the parts to build a voron (from china mind you) for this price? Either this prototype has a way better build than what is going to be the case with the production machines, or this is a giant scam. I would love to be proven wrong, but right now it seems too good to be true.
@@Spawnova Even then it is cheaper than my voron... Question is how the multimaterial stuff is working and how good realiable... If it is just 250 it would be a bargain. Even the parts are more expensive for building a rabbit.
Iam also getting nothing but red flags from the reviews, website and promotion. It is suggesting this sub-2,000 system can out do everything, without assembly or tuning basically - at the same type of speeds as the Voron/RatRig/Hevort/Vzbot communities.... and those machines are heavily modified, engineered, and cost more to do less (no AMS system, etc) the website is full CGI as well, they don't show an actual printer, printing at all - which is even more "this is a scam" sense tingle.
Wow, Interesting printer Some first use of technology in this price range Thanks for sharing your experiences with all of us, We are waiting to see some more printouts :-)
Seems like a fantastic printer, and it definitely introduces a lot of features that are direly needed on 3D printers, but the proprietary nature is really a dealbreaker. Proprietary is all good until you actually use the product for a long time and need replacement parts, at which point they'll most probably be stupidly expensive, if they're even available. The Prusa XL is the closest comparable with its load sensor leveling and auto-calibration, and while it is twice as expensive to purchase, Prusa does plan to release it as FOSH, which might alleviate some of the extra cost. Also, we all know what throwing money at KS entails. At least the preorders for the XL are refundable.
Looks like their slicer is based on Slic3r or PrusaSlicer. Hopefully they open source it like they're required to by the license if it is actually based on either of those.
The gaps around surface features like holes and text is obviously the cura "compensate overlaps" function that's been buggy like that since forever, yet is on by default.
It looks good but kind of on the fence though. I bought an Ultimaker 5S when it came out and they did NOTHING with it till just this last year. After that experience I kind of want to wait a year when any company comes out with a printer to see if they will keep giving it love.
Seems like a great machine, and I hope there will be more printers like this in the future. The thing that scares me though is its not open source. I hope that when 3d printing becomes very common is most households, it isn't all controlled by one mega-company like Apple.
I don't buy from Kickstarter but when they come to the regular market I would like to see an update Video. Maybe even a comparison between another printer that has similar options
Everyone is impressed by the speed of the Benchie, but to be honest, that's not a practical example for Artists. My Statues have significant overhangs, requiring Supports. In my experience, supports printed fast... Fail. So I tend to print them Dead Slow in PETG. I hate when they fall over, or have poor footing to start. My question then is: can the X1 print supports (on tall complex prints) quickly, like its Normal Speed, or does it have to drop back to dead slow. Related, does the X1's high speed vibration affect the stability of Supports?
That's' an awesome printer and it's priced for the consumer market. I don't like the cloud based slcer, it needs to be available as an installable app form before I will get one. I have been watching this printer for a while. One thing to note the build plate is special for the lidar to work so you will need to use theirs.
Well, I know where my extra payday money is going. I’ve been looking at video reviews for 3D printers 🖨 for the last two weeks. I’m so glad that I waited until your video. The X1 has EVERY option I want for a 3D printer. The problem has been, up till now, finding a printer that actually has all the options that I want. The X1 fits the bill. Again, thanks for your review. Being a subscriber to your channel has really paid off. So glad that I had the alerts turned on. 😀
What are your thought on this versus the QIDI iFast? I currently have an iFast and this is very very interesting.... Think they would pair well together? Or be redundant?
Great overview on this machine! Been following it and cannot wait to see it in the wild! Would love to get our hands on one too. While I see the cloud server being useful for hobbyists, it is 100% not good for businesses because we have no clue about the security of the data. That is why I am glad they offer the micro SD card support. Shame regarding the spools though, as we print a ton with Printed Solid. Maybe there can be an iteration of it? Who knows. What does the system look like for holding those spools in the AMS? Could there be an easy mod made with printed parts to alleviate this issue?
I thought this was going to be another crazy unaccessible printer that only large printing companies could afford. But it costs less than a prusa. That’s insane
I honestly did do. Pricing was not initially available when I had agreed and I was expecting north of $2k. That was actually one of my questions when I had a follow up call with them. It sounds to me like one of the key differences is automation in manufacturing. I was told roughly 80% of the machine is assembled by robots which should mean higher precision and quicker output.
Am certainly buying one, the only thing is that the slicer is online only and would like if it could work with cura.
@@ModBotArmy "Higher precision" and "robots" don't necessarily go hand in hand. Ask Elon Musk why he nearly went out of business in 2018. He "Over-automated" his General Assembly lines and found out what the rest of us already knew, that the human eye is still the master of the "Fit and Finish" universe. How would I know? I was one of the bazillion Controls Engineers approached to help out during that time.
Vision systems are even worse, probably 50% of them get ripped out before ever getting fully commissioned. Last year I was called into a plant to finish up a project that loaded blanks into a Mazak lathe. It had a vision system which was never going to work since the blanks had the ends basically "polarized" due to the marks from the band saw. So the rotation angle of the blanks would either show a bright reflection, or a dull dark gray. The vision system couldn't handle it.
Robots are usually very repetitive, but don't bank the farm on it. At a car factory that I used to work for the robots went whack-a-doodle and a number of spaceframes had to be scrapped. That was a weird one... What's more common is that welds go missing and someone has to set up shop in the screen guard and hand weld the missing spots before the jobs reach General Assembly.
But one of the most frequent jobs for our electricians was to "touch up" the paths for robots.
@@ModBotArmy any chance you could give them a feedback that we all general would love a standalone software for the app rather than online and also the ability to use it will CURA.
Only for the Kickstarter tho
This is the DJI style FDM printer we never got! Great video - I am blown away. The only thing that sounds too good to be true is the price for what you get. Nevertheless I can imagine it being successful and stirring up the industry!
Whilst reading you reaction about DJI, I heard in my head "Battery low, returning home in 10 seconds"
far from it
yeah kickstarters for 3d printers tend to be dodgy.
I would question it. I've seen the same being said about many printers like a few years ago when people said it about delta printers and yet Ender series went on to rule the roost.
same here. sorry. it won't shake up anything. 3D printing is no longer about innovation. that was the start. now it's about bringing certain standards to budget printers such as auto-leveling and filament sensors. And QOL stuff like linear rails.
what these guys never talk about is the energy used .. to go twice as fast doesn't cost twice the energy... it actually costs more. like with the new Anker Kickstarter... nobody is mentioning that it uses a TON of electricity in a time when energy prices are out of control.
just seems rather bot-like.
and sorry but who is this for? it's got all the stuff aimed at people new to 3d printing... if you are experienced you can mod even an Ender 3 to be this fast and good for cheaper and have more control over parts used.. if it's for newcomers why is it so fast and expensive?
auto leveling and calibration is amazing... if you are new to printing. if you aren't calibrating e steps really ain't hard and even most Ender's and Anycubics come pretty well calibrated... in fact I've only ever had to calibrate one Ender 3 V2... as for levelling and tramming... I don't know why anyone struggles. I've never used adhesive or gluestick because I always got told: if you level and tram properly, keep the nozzle free of blocks and keep the bed clean of oils from skin you won't have problems with the first layer nor elephant foot.
the only time you might want a BL touch or something is for with Jiyers when using it to make a mesh of build plates.
And why not just use Prusa and Cura for slicing? this is like when an SLA printer does it... just let us use the slicer we want. so annoying.
Everything about this printer looks so hot
The same tought I had! I believe the auto built 3D printers will be almost dead soon if this kind of products will be out more and more... like exactly happened with custom built drones for aerial videos when DJI showed up :(
woah woah woah woah woah... this is hands down the most impressive FDM 3d printer i ever seen... this pretty much beats every other FDM printers, modded, self-built or commericials... it has pretty much every single advanced features that most advanced users dreamt of tightly integrated into the printer.... the mechanical designs also make sense.... i am just speechless throughout the entire video.... THIS IS THE DREAM PRINTER.
Using LiDAR to check line thickness on the first layer is next-level.
Except the first layer is hideous on every review I've seen.
@@chrismorrison9140 haha, perhaps because when we are manually adjusting the bed, we are talking about adjusting for 100ths of a mm. Sensors doing autoadjusting is great in theory, the question is what is the accuracy and precision of this process. I suppose if it is 100% automated, perhaps it doesn't have to be 100% as good as the best human adjustments to sell the feature to me. But it does have to be say, 70% as good.
Just recently heard about this machine and looks 🤯🤯
$1500 for something from a company with no history... erm... sure.
Personally I don't see that spending twice the cost of a i3 as being worth it. That price is going too high. if it's over a grand it best be something special.
remember this that he is looking at is $999 as an early bird special. It says as much on their website.
You'll shill for anything, huh?
@@razerow3391 The people in the company have a pretty solid track record. Plus, you’re not going to find a coreXY this capable any cheaper.
If i wasn't building a Voron 2.4 id just buy 2 of these. I really like the auto flow, i'm all for automating every function of tuning and calibration, only missing the nozzle touch probe like a cnc machine.
I however would not want cloud services, if you need remote access just use chrome remote desktop.
Would not be surprised if something like that comes to klipper. Get the LiDAR hooked up to the raspberry pi and it should be possible
Definitely an interesting project. Feels like they are in the forefront of the next gen consumer FDM evolution.
Some things that are scary to me:
- closed source design by new company
- any sort of cloud based dependencies
- kickstarter
Back in the day I did kickstart the Craftbot, also a closed source (hardware and software) by a new company. This was in the early days of crowdfunding, and Craftunique did deliver the product (only a few months behind schedule). And it was my 3d printer for many years before upgrading to a Prusa. Craftunique to this day still exists, and making newer versions of the Craftbot. Maybe Bambu Labs is aiming at a similar market, but with much more innovation. I do wonder how much of Bambu's tech came from (or initially came from) open source, and now are behind closed doors.
Unless there is an extremely compelling reason, I'd really like to stay away from any sort of cloud based dependencies. Too many crowdfunded cloud enabled devices have become paperweights after the companies disappeared.
And finally, kickstarter... ugh... ok, I'll admit, this printer almost has enough slick marketing to make me want to. But no, I promised myself after my last failed hardware kickstarter, that I would never back another project. Kickstarting is basically throwing your money into the ocean, and hoping magically a fish will jump in to your boat some time later. The platform itself really doesn't have two sh*ts to give about the funders. I'd more likely do a pre-order direct from the company than a kickstarter (like I did with the Prusa XL).
Regardless, a very interesting project and if nothing else, should put some fire under the seats of established giants of industry (Josef are you watching??) and encouraging them to be more daring and bringing more innovation to our industry.
This is literally a copy of a Voron that was changed up for mass manufacturing and for the mass users. LiDar is a great new integration tho...
@@igorchak48 very curious what they will do with the lidar and camera set up. I mean, there is the theory, and then there is execution. If it all works, then it definitely creates a nice feedback loop. Instead of just hot plastic melters, printers can actually see if they are actually printing the thing they are suppose to print.
@@igorchak48 And yeah, it certainly does appear to share some similarties with the Voron project. Honestly, pushing mass commercialization of Voron's features is a good thing. Hopefully it will also push other companies forward. I have been tempted to do a Voron build, but honestly cannot commit the time or energy into it.
raise3d was also kickstarter. they seem to be doing pretty well.
Fantastic and informative overview. Thanks. The temperature issue in the slicer is a big deal. They are overheating to compensate for the speed. It should be the other way around. The slicer/printer/hotend should be able to accommodate the speed but it should have the optimum temp in the slicer for the filament. So when it's small moves like your example the printer is at the right temp. RRF has feed forward which means it can anticipate the coming moves and heat up the hotend ready for the high flow. They need to look at this. I wouldn't want my profiles to have to be adjusted for speed.
Pre-order isnt my thing. But it is going to be exciting to see competitiors response to this. Innovation is great!
Just received mine today, loving it so far.
I am fairly sure this is a must buy as early bird. This looks so promising I am blown away. I originally wanted to build a voron 2.4 and parts prices have increased by so much that I can no longer reliably spend the required funds on a project like this. But this printer ticks almost all the requirements I had at a much more compelling price point. Ey people are out for my money once again :D
This is very impressive, especially for that price, I might get one for retail later on this year if everything turns out well on their end. Also I wonder if lenovo might have a problem with the name X1 carbon considering they have a laptop line with that exact same name
no they don't have laptops with same name. X1 laptops are Lenovo. Do you also think the Elagoo Mars and Mars Confectionary's Mars Bar are similar? lol.
I mean Lenovo have only been making the X1 series of laptops for a decade now... pretty sure they are up to their 10th gen.
Copyright for names only protects against using the same/ name colours etc in the same sector. E.g if lenovo made a 3d printer or scanner etc called the X1 carbon before Bambu did, only then would they have the right to sue.
Man, this printer is totally wild. Can’t wait to see more prints from it!
The gap indicates their slicer is based on cura code and has the buggy cura "compensate overlaps" function.
That explains why I get gaps with cura and not with prusaslicer! Interesting!
@@dazultra2000 Prusa ftw
The slicer is based on prusaslicer.
Wow! Extremely exiting! Can't wait to get one!
Thanks for the video. Clearly a better printer than most of us thought. That said, their failure to use an opensource slicer, firmware and building their own web server are three HUGE strikes against them. Eventually they will stop working on the slicer and firmware as they either go under or move on to new projects. That gives this product a short shelf life as far as printers go.
Having a proprietary ecosystem likely means they plan to sell over priced service/replacement parts, charge for cloud service... even if they deny it now... and try to take advantage of their closed ecosystem to make money down the road. There's a business case to be made for that. On the other hand, a company that truly believes in their product, wouldn't be scared of opensource software... instead would embrace it because that means they would benefit from the work of many unaffiliated developers.
He said it works with "normal" gcode as well though. And for the stuff that wouldn't work with that, someone will probably reverse engineer a solution
Really interesting printer, thanks for showing it off!
Nice work!!! Lots of great info! This printer is crazy!
Thanks man :). I still feel like there was more I couldn't cover but I spent a ton of time on this trying to make it as thorough as possible. Agreed, it is absolutely insane.
@@ModBotArmy how much will this. Thing be
@@Randomperson0467 950 for the most basic version of the printer 1450 for the most advanced version.
good to see a new printer that's actually a well thought out and usable tool out of the box. the proprietary cloud software is a little concerning. Understandable though. the lidar rig probably needs a fair bit of custom work. I'd feel a bit better if the remote printing didn't require going out of a network I control. proprietary is fine if you aren't worried about critical infrastructure dropping out from under you.
That said, it still looks like a very promising machine and software suite. It's what an entry level machine for the layman should be. I may pick one up after it releases.
This has peaked my interest. Very tempted with this introduction. I'll be watching for the kickstarter
This looks awesome. I'm so done with tuning a printer just to keep it printing properly.
Guess I will keep looking for a machine that can print my spaghetti monster 15:55
I like your preview, makes me want this printer even MORE! Thanks for the detailed first look!
Wow this printer is insane! Great video!
Dude it is absolutely nutty. Thanks man :)
Thank you anger and bamboo for being innovative
I would love to see more prints once you do some manual setting adjustments to see how clean of prints are actually possible with it. Would also like to see how it handles a very large print with dissolvable supports.
Wow! What an amazing machine! Thanks for the detailed intro into this new trendsetter!
Seems an extremely well thought out machine. I've been thinking about some kind of vision-based first layer calibration for a while. I'm surprised their LIDAR can achieve sufficient accuracy. I suspect it's really a triangulation sensor, not a true LIDAR (which is fine and would be impressive as I have Keyence triangulation sensors at work that cost more than this printer).
What ever happens to Bambu and this printer, they have shown the way. My biggest concern is if they can maintain a low price point? Are they badly under-pricing the Kickstarter?
I won't be pre-ordering this as I'm done with Kickstarter (at least for a while), and won't be an early adopter for a company that has no track record (I did pre-order a Prusa XL, as I trust the brand). I wish then success though.
if they actually keep those prices, this basically makes any printer on the market under 2000$ obsolete.
And they could get those $3000+ printers too if they manage to make a 512mm^3 version
once again this should be your first red flag for a (possible) scam. Your saying a fully assembled pritner, is better, calibrated, and ready - than a voron or ratrig or sk-tank, and is cheaper? The Triangle doesn't agree. You can either be Better, Cheaper, or Easier on the User, but not all 3.
@@xXKisskerXx First of all, this printer isn't better than any of those printers you listed. Secondly, you need to do more research before concluding that something is a scam because it's "too good". They've manufactured up of 500 units, and shipped around five production units to reputable youtubers. It isn't a red flag to have a machine that works. It seems like they've combined the cheapness of chinese manufacture with a ton of R&D work to make an excellent machine. I just hope it actually sells at their claimed prices.
@@xXKisskerXx You are 100% wrong. Voron and ratrig are good (and very expensive) printers. But what the X1C has that voron and ratrig does not, is 100 DJI super smart engineers and custom from top to bottom hardware and software, ala Apple. They also have a ton of sensors and AI software that voron and ratrig do not have. The magic of the X1C is the beautiful choreograph between hardware and software. They have done what the industry should have done many years ago. IMO, they will own the 3D printer market within 24 months.
@@xXKisskerXx this aged terribly.
as someone burned on kickstarter by even known companies, this seems too good to be true, especially what the printer is, claims to do (does in your testing), and the under $2,000 US pricing. I mean when you think about it, SK-Tank, RatRig Vcore3, Vorons, all mostly sourced or kitted sourced, and cost nearly as much (more than the basic kickstarter $800, up to and exceeding the $1,500) for similar build volume, speeds, and capabilities.
I don't see how they can do this, with the AMS system as well, for that cheap, at least long term. the KS special pricing on the Carbon with AMS - $1149
The ENTIRE site advertisement is CGI as well, even the shots of the printer, which doesn't bode well. EVEN the video 'showing off' the printer, is CGI - it seems to have an AMS unit that is real, but nothing showing off the printer being used, printing, or otherwise 'real'. Your telling me they couldn't show some footage of them test printing a benchy?
I just dont feel well about this. It seems they made a prototype or 2, sent them out to reviewers, told you all not to say anything "too negative, but well formed opinions are permitted', and plan to make a killing in 'sales' that will never actually be made or sent out to backers on kickstarter. (if you have to ship them back, this is even more support of this claim)
The claim of kickstarter in May and Shipping in July - also doesn't make sense. Why do they need to kick-start, if they are basically ready to go? 2 months is not enough time to get any sort of funding into manufacturing or production lines to make thousands of printers to be ready for shipping. The lead time just doesn't make sense with expectations, with reality kicking in about how this more and more feels like a scam, a genius scam, but a scam.
"make a few production models, send them out to get word of our amazing product to those that want it, make the production models a 'force return' to resend to other reviewers, then kickstart, get plenty of pledges, then rug pull and only send out the production models to show we were serious, but had complications unforseen"
I don't know maybe I have been burned by Kickstarter nonsense just 1 too many times. (Thanks Creality for the recent asshatry) and just can't trust in a project "this big" being "this fast" and "this cheap" for what it claims it can do (again, shown in YOUR test production model sent out)
These are real concerns, and I’m very skeptical considering just how ‘too good’ this is.
With that said they do have a UA-cam channel where you can see them making timed benchies. Maybe updating the website isn’t a priority?
And even at full msrp this is a great deal without all the risk of being burned.
To be honest it's not uncommon for "off the shelf" products to be cheaper than building something yourself, especially if they can rely on economies of scale and automation. Still, I'd probably just wait for the product to actually start shipping before buying.
They have a print farm tho
Man, I can't wait to get mine!
If you want your printer to just work and not be constantly tinkering with it, this looks like the one.
This is made for me. The only things I see here I would want is different print nozzle sizes on-demand (tool changer) and larger volume. But the speed makes up for the nozzle size issue so for smaller prints this looks awesome. Smaller is often faster also, so it sounds tailored well for a fast prototype system.
Soooo .. that Kickstarter went well. I've never pledged for a KS printer before, but we'll see how this goes. Was able to win the refresh lotto and get an Early Bird X1-Carbon. The Full Combo was sold out pretty quickly. I don't expect there to be much available by later today, they mastered the just-enough-units at the outrageous pricing to generate the buzz and hype they wanted, that's for sure. So for those wondering how this was going to be sustainable, that's your answer. Very limited supply at the Early Bird and KSpecial pricing (approximately 500 units each model / tier) .. they can effectively break even or take a loss and make up from it with the marketing they received.
My current printer is a ~5-6 year old unit, so it was in need of a replacement. I'll likely give it to a local school.
That's pretty sweet. I missed the early bird prices so I'm just going to wait it out for updates. I am considering a prusa XL just because the build volume is bigger for my needs but no doubt bambu lab is using tech that makes every other hobby level machine jealous. Heck even some industrial machines are jealous. It's like an advanced 3d systems Cube Coretrio and voron tech had a better baby. Love the colors, love the lidar, love the speed.
Their turn around time is way better than prusa though.
I really hope the delivered models are just as good
My big concern is, how confident are you that this will continue to receive support? This looks amazing and I would hate to see this die. Mainly with the software perspective, 3d printing software, be it the slicer, firmware, and apps are developing quickly and I don't want to see that fall behind. If confidence is high, I am buying this immediately.
You should be rather concerned if you can buy one for the MSRP after since it just blows away the competition with ease. If print-farms can produce the same amount of products with 5 to 8 times less printers, the demand will sky-rocket.
Haha I saw the cross over in the opening when you loaded the filament. Great review!
Hey! Haha I wish I had. I think I was focused on too many things 😂. Hope you are doing well! 🙌
Wow. I was thinking it was gonna be a +$5k printer. Wow. Wow.
I'm betting this thing really took the wind out of the sails of the Anker Make team at those price points.
I really like it overall, but I just hope they do something about the cloud connectivity - let users print directly to the printer over local network w/o requiring internet.
Ankermake also looks interesting..which to get?!?!
@@jonhaze7537 Really going to depend what type you want and for what you want it for. The AnkerMake seems to be a much needed innovative package on the bed slinger approach where as the BLabs is the CoreXY approach. The latter is aimed at speed and I think is the overall better value at the EB/KSpecial pricing.
I'd say with the exception of a very few features (the BLabs Lidar/Structured Light being one), neither of these printers are truly "new" .. they're just polished consumer friendly packaging of what enthusiasts have been doing to their printers, which is the normal evolutionary step in FDM printing we tend to see every few years.
In ~5 years we're likely to see a lot of these features reach the economy of scale and filter down .. like with car manufacturing, high tech stuff goes to the custom (e.g. enthusiast driven tinkerer's), then luxury brands, then trickles down to the mid tier, and finally lands on the budget tier of every model.
Try 2 on commenting. Very exciting. Never backed a Kickstarter, and never will, but this is exciting and tempting.
I see your comment! 2 times is still not good but better than the last time. Totally, I feel the same way and have even been debating on backing this one myself. I could use a pair for prototyping or batching out quick parts.
My concern is that they don’t have enough margin in the product, they will go bankrupt, and the customer will be left with a proprietary printer with no parts available and no software updates
Had similar thoughts. Even at the full MSRP it's hard to feel like they're making any margin and I have to suspect that the RFID chips will eventually DRM what filament the machines will accept.
@@voicesarefree Yup! There was a lot of engineering that went into this and I know what engineering time costs when you roll it into the product cost.. I hope I'm wrong though.. I have a print farm and would like to pick up a couple of these to test, but I will probably wait a while to confirm reviews once they hit the market officially.
@@voicesarefree Completely wrong, there are absolutely 0 expensive parts, if you know some ppl in the industry you can manufature this for around 400 all in with shipping, still a thin margin but it's fine.
@@revoltoff Retail price isn’t just a function of production cost and margin😅
@@revoltoff Perhaps 'any' was the wrong word to choose, and 'sufficient' would have been better. Like others have mentioned, all the wages and infrastructure around selling hardware demand either massive volume, large margins, or some other monetization scheme like DRM or subscriptions. The X1 has a lot of software that at this point looks (fully?) proprietary, and custom software development is not cheap.
FWIW, I worked for a printer manufacturer for ~4 years developing in-house manufacturing software. I have some relevant industry experience informing my opinion.
The X1 is an exciting concept and I would love to be proven wrong.. but I suspect the currently stated MSRP will have to rise or other "all-in" costs will need to be added for Bambu to turn a profit.
Wow, this machine looks amazing!
Wow.... this is going to be in my shopping list....
3 questions;
1,The lead screws are connected with a belt and not individually driven, does the printer have any form of manual/actual leveling?
2, Does the build plate have anything to line up against? This seems like a small thing but is a very nice feature to have.
3, the prints look decent given the speed, but how's the quality when you slow it down? Can it print nice as well as fast?
1. Belts can be timed based on the position, and tension on it.
2. It's magnetic
3. No idea, but probably?
I take it all back. No image processing needed, no cameras at all!
The WiiMote has a specialized IR sensor (Pixart) that reports the position and intensity of up to 4 IR spots, and it 'speaks' in ic2.
Sensor is looking at the print-bed under the nozzle; two or more IR light-sources mounted to print-head shine onto the print-bed; when all the IR spots converge, Z-height is known precisely.
When data from the sensor indicates a single spot, convergence! Z-probe 'hit'!
Conversely, an observed spacing between spots could indicate distance (or slope!) between print-head and reflective object; Z-offset from already printed features?
Did non-planar printing just get easier? Z-offset on a contoured surface?
Woot Pledge is in, Now the waiting begins
Thst's a really impressive machine and overall psckage, especially the multi-color printing system with buffer. A single nozzle with an external switcher really is the best solution (and easiest to calibrate). This machine definitely raises the bar for printers in its price range, and for other firmware to improve their feature sets and user experience. Amazing product to come out of a Kickstarter too, as they are usually a lot more janky at the pre-release stage. Exciting times.
The rest is cool but that lidar 👀 is the add on we all need.
Very impressive. This is definitely a machine I will keep an eye on. Not a fan of Kickstarter, cloud printing or proprietary/custom slicers. Why not just Octoprint support and just save the effort of spinning up cloud resources and software? And why not a Cura plugin to support their slicer extensions? I'm pretty sure any of the open source slicers could be extended to support all of their nice features. Then it's automatically cross platform, they get the benefit of improvements to the open source engines and users can use the interfaces they already know and like.
Very impressive machine, however the lack of a "local" slicer and requirement for cloud connectivity is a deal breaker for us. It is off the shopping list....for now.
I got my first machine on primeday and I'm hooked. I'm had 10 machine by the end of the year lmao
Wow. This thing is mint.
Oh dang. This looks like fun.
does it use propriety filament only? if so that will be a hard pass
I have some questions about carbon air filter :
- Is there an easy access to exchange it ?
- What are filtering performances ?
Thank you for a great video! I like to replace my 10+ Years old Rostock II and I'm deciding what printer to buy. My first choice is Bambu Lab X1-Carbon Combo 3D Printer. But I also see all the problems and "bad Customer Service..." and that isn't good for my situation. I like a printer like my Rostock from SeeMeCNC that is reliable and good CS with fast response.
Now you had this printer for 1+ years - do you use it frequently? What trouble have you run into since this review? If you had to pay for it with your money, would you buy it today? If not, what printer would you buy?
I can't wait until some of these new features trickle down into more basic printers and into klipper for the firmware things. I wouldn't buy one of them, but I'm also not the target audience. But I am very glad for anyone innovating in this space as it pushes other manufactures to do the same (Prusa comes to mind, revolutionizing 3d printing with the mk3 and now most of the features are standard even on fairly budget printers).
Damn, those prints look nice
Would be awesome if the LIDAR was active during the entire print to start compensating for geometric inaccuracies (slow things down/extra cooling if the bridges or small features are not coming out as intended). Also, I hope they provide an SDK so the LIDAR can be used with other slicers if they go out of business.
This looks like a Voron Trident with camera monitoring, laser bed leveling (something I never seen in hobbyist printers), and all tuning automated. If they can do all this below $1500 and add the ERCF on top it's awesome.
Me: This is looking pretty nice for a probably $3K prosumer machine
Them: $999 MSRP
Me: 🤨😮😯😲
I’m sold on this
Great video. Thanks for making it. Is it possible to do a manual z adjustment for the first layer in the case that the sensors fail? Looking forward to your livestream!
Can you connect the device to octoprint to avoid the cloud entirely? I'm not a fan of cloud services so I generally block them entirely. Cloud services have had way too many security issues in my experience.
Agreed fully; I can fully forgive the proprietary hotend (despite there being so many good options these days) as those will likely be easy to source from them (hopefully!). But having to be locked into their cloud service for a machine that's *on my local network* is just goofy.
Yep, Chinese Cloud server no less. Avoid like the plague that it is.
@@joshua43214 Agreed, cloud printing is bad. I don't need to monitor my print when I'm out buying groceries. You can print from SD card though.
Great price, makes sense to actually buy this over build your own. But not being open source and all proprietary means im just going to apply these ideas to my ender. Dope af tho
I agree with Josh P. A lot of Kickstarter 3D printers fail it seems.
Incredible review.
print from micro-SD cards... if you have fingernails. I'm watching this while drinking Tequila and realizing I have plenty of money in my playpal account to buy this... dangerous combo. I think I'll wait until I'm sober to make this decision. My Prusa I3 mk3 has printed flawlessly and is also "no touch".
This should be the future. A good build core xy with auto calibration
The fun thing about building a Voron out of CF Nylon and you get to take it down and replace all the parts with ABS later.
Nice. But a bit small for my needs. I just got done with a couple of prints that maxed out my CR-10, so going smaller isn't very attractive to me. I see elements of the HevORT in it with the three axis bed leveling and the carbon fiber rails. That should definitely help.
I am interested in its AMS system, having used and then abandoned the Mosaic.
I'm just imagining a 512mm^3 XL version
the three axis bed leveling is different than that of the hevort. Hevort has three individual motors which can change the angle of the bed, while this only has one motor belted to three lead screws that cannot change the bed angle. Also, the carbon fiber rails are completely different. hevort uses a carbon fiber gantry, while the rail is normal steel. This printer uses carbon fiber tubes for both the gantry and the rails, using bushings instead of linear rail carriages.
@@morbus5726 Ah, I didn't know that about the lead screws. So what's the point then? The carbon fiber setup on this printer is their way of doing weight savings. So, close enough.
FWIW, I've got a ~600mm cubed HevORT with the carbon fiber gantry and the titanium hardware. I'm also using two Teknic Clearpath Servo motors for the X & Y axis. I'm sticking with the Duet controller for now, and I (finally) have my Aluminum HextrudORT working like I want it to, so once I get off of my butt I'll mount it and install the drive belts. Because I went cheap and bought the knockoff Bondtech clone from eBay I had to buy a 25mm bull gear from McMaster-Carr (the knock-off one is 1mm bigger and won't fit the frame of the extruder). Still, the fake Bondtech & replacement gear was ~$80 less than the Bondtech.
@@MrWaalkman the point is probably just to provide a more stable platform. 3 points is more stable than 2. Also, they can save money (on motors and couplers) by only using one motor with belts to power all three. If the printer's assembled well, there's really no need for tri point leveling.
@@morbus5726 Color me "Skeptical" on the no need part. We'll see. But it is a gauntlet in the face of companies that do the bare minimum - or less. Looking at you FLSun.
are you making a voron 2.4? I noticed you printed the stealthburner thing lol (kinda sus ngl)
My MK3S+ order literally shipped yesterday! I don’t know what I would have done had I seen this video then, but I think I probably would’ve cancelled it and backed this. Looks incredible.
With Prusa you are getting massive support community with it. My Prusa has been printing for years, mostly print and leave, very reliable. Just a bit slower than this, but beautiful prints. This company has zero credibility yet, a lot of proprietary stuff, it could even be a scam at that low price. Give it another year or more before you decide on this printer. Prusa will serve you well for the time, you can always add this to your stable later.
@@karoo_bushman6880 Yeah, can't agree more with the "wait for it" advice. I have the Mk3s+ since less than a year or so and while this machine (from the video) looks so good, there are some VERY real concerns with it (the software, being a kickstarter to name a few). With Prusa you have a finished product which... well, prints amazingly fine - from very little miniatures (even on stock 0,4mm nozzle), to big stuff. If someone doesn't need super high printing speeds, then Prusa is just good enough and a very safe purchase, and one can even sell it and buy this thing, IF it becomes a real retail product, with good support etc.
So far I love it. A pre built proven printer for the same price as a voron 2.4 on which you have to spend many hours building and tuning. If it works like this video I will sell both my i3s and my Voron 2.4. I will just get this and a Prusa XL.
Does the AMS work as a back up for running out of filament. If the afar left runs out will it default to the next roll?
Not currently. It definitely has the capability to do it’s just firmware. That was one of my early on recommendations after using it 👍
Do you know when these will start being built in Texas? We will need 80 of these for our students.
I am definetly gonna way until it comes out and people do reviews after the kickstarter. The only tjing I dont like are the cloud features and some propritery software. But again I am gonna wait till it release to make a decision if I am gonna buy it or not.
wow amazing, only issue i see is the smallish printing volume
So you are telling me that for less than a Prusa i3 you can get this AMAZING machine? Incredible, i’m shocked. I would really love to buy this printer in the future.
It's a pretty cool machine, I found out about it after I backed the ankermake printer. Much higher price tag but still another step forward
I've always been taught that when something looks too good to be true, it usually is.
If they are able to sell this printer for 699/MSRP 999 with the exact same build quality as in this video i'm sold, but i don't quite buy it.
How the hell are they able to sell this printer for this little money when you can barely get the parts to build a voron (from china mind you) for this price?
Either this prototype has a way better build than what is going to be the case with the production machines, or this is a giant scam. I would love to be proven wrong, but right now it seems too good to be true.
Those prices are for the X1, the X1 carbon retails $1200
also you don't get the multi material addon, that's an extra $250
Still nice though
@@Spawnova Even then it is cheaper than my voron...
Question is how the multimaterial stuff is working and how good realiable... If it is just 250 it would be a bargain. Even the parts are more expensive for building a rabbit.
Iam also getting nothing but red flags from the reviews, website and promotion. It is suggesting this sub-2,000 system can out do everything, without assembly or tuning basically - at the same type of speeds as the Voron/RatRig/Hevort/Vzbot communities.... and those machines are heavily modified, engineered, and cost more to do less (no AMS system, etc) the website is full CGI as well, they don't show an actual printer, printing at all - which is even more "this is a scam" sense tingle.
@@xXKisskerXx They have a UA-cam channel with actual printing videos, even with the multi color stuff
Well they have proven you wrong.
Wow, Interesting printer
Some first use of technology in this price range
Thanks for sharing your experiences with all of us, We are waiting to see some more printouts :-)
Seems like a fantastic printer, and it definitely introduces a lot of features that are direly needed on 3D printers, but the proprietary nature is really a dealbreaker. Proprietary is all good until you actually use the product for a long time and need replacement parts, at which point they'll most probably be stupidly expensive, if they're even available. The Prusa XL is the closest comparable with its load sensor leveling and auto-calibration, and while it is twice as expensive to purchase, Prusa does plan to release it as FOSH, which might alleviate some of the extra cost. Also, we all know what throwing money at KS entails. At least the preorders for the XL are refundable.
Looks like their slicer is based on Slic3r or PrusaSlicer. Hopefully they open source it like they're required to by the license if it is actually based on either of those.
The gaps around surface features like holes and text is obviously the cura "compensate overlaps" function that's been buggy like that since forever, yet is on by default.
this and the ankermake m5 are setting the bar for new machines
Dude its a automated voron!
I have a davinci w+ rn and it printed a benchy in about an hour an thirty minutes. I almost spit out my coffee when I heard a 17 minute benchy.
It looks good but kind of on the fence though. I bought an Ultimaker 5S when it came out and they did NOTHING with it till just this last year. After that experience I kind of want to wait a year when any company comes out with a printer to see if they will keep giving it love.
hope to see another video used AMS~~😄
whats the difference with the specials? seems like they are adding on a alot for only 250g of filament. what?
Seems like a great machine, and I hope there will be more printers like this in the future. The thing that scares me though is its not open source. I hope that when 3d printing becomes very common is most households, it isn't all controlled by one mega-company like Apple.
i'm sold
Exciting stuff.
I don't buy from Kickstarter but when they come to the regular market I would like to see an update Video.
Maybe even a comparison between another printer that has similar options
Everyone is impressed by the speed of the Benchie, but to be honest, that's not a practical example for Artists. My Statues have significant overhangs, requiring Supports. In my experience, supports printed fast... Fail. So I tend to print them Dead Slow in PETG. I hate when they fall over, or have poor footing to start. My question then is: can the X1 print supports (on tall complex prints) quickly, like its Normal Speed, or does it have to drop back to dead slow. Related, does the X1's high speed vibration affect the stability of Supports?
That's' an awesome printer and it's priced for the consumer market. I don't like the cloud based slcer, it needs to be available as an installable app form before I will get one. I have been watching this printer for a while. One thing to note the build plate is special for the lidar to work so you will need to use theirs.
Where can we find the slicer software? I want to check some print times and settings. Thanks!
Well, I know where my extra payday money is going. I’ve been looking at video reviews for 3D printers 🖨 for the last two weeks. I’m so glad that I waited until your video. The X1 has EVERY option I want for a 3D printer. The problem has been, up till now, finding a printer that actually has all the options that I want. The X1 fits the bill. Again, thanks for your review. Being a subscriber to your channel has really paid off. So glad that I had the alerts turned on. 😀
What are your thought on this versus the QIDI iFast? I currently have an iFast and this is very very interesting.... Think they would pair well together? Or be redundant?
I wonder if the first layer can be tuned or if you really have no control over it when it is set to auto
Great overview on this machine! Been following it and cannot wait to see it in the wild! Would love to get our hands on one too.
While I see the cloud server being useful for hobbyists, it is 100% not good for businesses because we have no clue about the security of the data. That is why I am glad they offer the micro SD card support. Shame regarding the spools though, as we print a ton with Printed Solid. Maybe there can be an iteration of it? Who knows. What does the system look like for holding those spools in the AMS? Could there be an easy mod made with printed parts to alleviate this issue?
I'm sure there's some sort of solution for the larger spools, like having them set on skates outside of the AWS.