I understand the reasoning, but my heart is broken loosing Tucker. He was my favorite player in all of baseball. He will be greatly missed. TY Tucker. May your future be bright.
Cubs fan here. Cam Smith may not be one of our top 3 prospects right now, but he easily could have been if we still had him 1 year from now. He's following an identical path to Matt Shaw. Shaw was also our first round pick the year before, and he also climbed to AA within that same year. At that time he was around our 6th highest prospect just like Cam Smith was now. The following year he played AAA and became our top prospect, around 20th in the entire league. Overall, I love that both fan bases are loving this trade for the most part. I know that I'm ecstatic.
@@dougfresh397 For me it's too much. Only because I dream on Cam Smith. However I am hyped to have Tucker and 2025 is going to actually be fun now. So I'll live. You got a potential stud so I think this was a great trade for you. Paredes will hit really well in MM too, so he'll fill 3B for you for awhile.
Did not like issac at all in Chicago, wesneski has had good moments but far more meltdowns than good moments but he has some stuff that’s great so who knows. Cam smith is the only thing about this that stings at all as a cubs fan
14:01 feel like this is an important point to clarify - Cam Smith is 73rd overall prospect, but he was not the Cubs 2nd ranked prospect - he was their 7th ranked prospect (that's how good their system was and still is). Now whether he would have risen to their 2nd best or even best prospect at some point going forward is a different and subjective story because he did have one of the biggest ceilings in their system and came out scorching hot right away last year after being drafted. As for the trade as a whole - fans on both sides should stop worrying about which side came away better or did the "fleecing" - this was a fair trade that makes sense for both sides at this point in time. BOTH franchises got better in different ways based on where they currently sit in their MLB roster compositions, payroll budgets, and prospect cycles.
Its too early to see how this works out for the Astros but so far Dana Brown hasn't given me reason for concern.Losing Kyle Tucker does hurt but you need to get something to replenishg the farm system and address 3rd and 1st. Cam Smith gives you a tremendous trad piece if he doesn't end up being the future 3rd baseman. This trade has a good chance of being a big win for the Astros.
Boy I did not want to lose Cam Smith. He was easily our 2nd best prospect, right behind Matt Shaw. Watch how fast he jumps into the top 20 in all of baseball next year. Cam Smith is the PRIZE here. I know Paredes fills a hole and will hit well in your ballpark. But make no doubt, Smith is THE prize of this trade for the Astros.
Please explain how he is so highly regarded. His numbers don't support it and he has only played a handful of games in AA. He is not projected to reach the Majors before 2027 if he even makes it at all. Remember most prospects never make it.
@@akitas8165 I think 2026 is realistic. He raked in A+ and hit 5 homers in 5 days in AA in his short time. Yes we know most prospects don't make it. Though the higher the prospect the more likely they are to make an impact. Guy was drafted middle of the 1st round last year and is already ranked MLB top 77. He's a quick riser just like Matt Shaw was the year before him. Matt shaw was drafted only 1 year earlier and he's already likely going to be our starting 2B or 3B in 2025. Just 2 years after his draft. That's why I think 2026 is realistic for Cam.
I’d personally like to see a trade for Luis Robert now that Tucker is in Chicago. Three years of affordable team control for an elite defensive center fielder who has already won a gold glove, a silver slugger, was the rookie of the year runner up and an all star in the rather short amount of time he’s played. He led the league in batting average in 2021, was second in the league in HRs with 38 just one year ago, and stole 23 of 26 bags in 100 games last season. He would be a great fit in that ballpark stacked with Yordan in the order.
The Mariners can only hope that the Astros trade the rest of their trash farm system to get Luis Robert... I'm 95% sure that the Tucker trade just handed Seattle the division, but pissing away $20M on Robert to be injured like Alvarez would secure it...
Whether you like Tucker or not the decision to trade him is a great one simply because we’re sick and tired of watching these guys walk once their contract is up! We might as well get something in return before they walk! Should have done that before Springer walked, Correa walked, Cole walked, and Bregman walks, if he ends up walking anyway! Just imagine the players and prospects we would have had if we traded those guys a year before their contracts were up! We would have been loaded with talents the last several years!
Good move. Shoulda got another prospect but he'll only be in Chicago one year. So that had something to do with that. Hell be a Dodger , Yankee, Red Six or Philly eventually
I think you’re right. I think that having him go to arbitration pissed him off and since then he was not interested in staying. I also think that the last two years in the playoffs cost the Astros at least winning the 2023 WS. He gets some hits and we beat Texas… and sweep Arizona….
I don't think the offer to Bregman was crap. He had the lowest OPS of his career...especially with the OBP dropping 50 points in a contract year. I think those are some concerning numbers for a player that wanted Machado money. He'd be averaging 26 million a year until his age 37 season. I think it's going to be instant buyers remorse for whoever signs him. Obviously, I'd prefer to keep him, but not to the point where he's hurting the Astros ability to get better. His 2018 and 2019 seasons were his best, and that was a long time ago. At the same time, I can't blame him for getting what he can, while he can. It's been fun while it lasted.
Yes. I already miss Tucker. For now, the outfield is unsettled. Myers and McCormick are not longterm solutions. Trade F. Valdez and obtain additional prospects.
Every team makes signings that they regret. Montero and Abreu signings aren't the reason they didn't get a deal done for Tucker. Both those guys come off the books after this next season, along with Pressly. Tucker was probably going to demand, at least 450 over 10 years. The other factor, is that he may not want to play for Houston. We drafted him...he didn't choose to come here. The only problem I have with this, is that we didn't do this last year, and get a bigger haul. If players aren't willing to do an extension, we should trade them with 2 years left. Anyways, no crying over spilt milk...things are changing, and it's time to look to the future...looking forward to Cam Smith being the next Astros star.
I’m confused he said he was upset we didn’t get one of their top 3 prospects but the other guy said he was their 2nd best prospect ? What’s that mean ?
I wouldnt get too excited about Wisneski. Hes got an A+ slider, but hes really inconsistent. He can go out and throw 5 scoreless and look unhittable. Then he goes out and looks like hes throwing batting practice. Gotta fix that inconsistency
Glad he’s gone! Looking at the bigger picture, he didn’t do squat in the playoffs .. yes during the season he’s good, but they’re no highlights of him during the playoffs!
Imma miss King Tuck man the organization messed up with this one. He is a fan favorite and had his own section in right field at the Juice Box and no im not calling it Daikin. Sad day for the city
Honestly they didn’t botch the Tucker deal, everyone knew the Astros don’t do 10 year contracts. They didn’t do it for altuve that says a lot. Tucker got hurt, his postseason numbers are horrible. Better to get whatever you can get rather than lose him for nothing. Tucker body language at least to me was he didn’t want to be in Houston.
It's funny how both sides can say we gave up too much. I'm from a Cubs fan perspective who's been dreaming on Cam Smith. He'll easily be top 30 in all of baseball next year. Perhaps even top 20.
The evil empire strikes again! Way not to give up the rookie cashman.. king tuck will come to the dark side eventually! Oh yea ** world champions.. # chasing 28😊
So Dana Brown got nothing for Tucker. Brown is going to go down in Houston sports lore as the GM that gave away the Astros dynasty. Bud Adams can now rest in peace as he is no longer the most hated man in Houston sports history.
As a Mariners fan, you guys are going to be trash this year... You guys seem to think the Mariners aren't very good, but if you guys didn't manipulate the amateur draft window of a few years around the time when you didn't sign Aiken and took two top 5 picks during one of the best drafts in the past 20 years, the Astros would've never won a World Series... Correa, gone. Tucker, gone. Bregman, gone. Springer, gone. Altuve, old. Alvarez, bad knees. Take away can't miss lottery picks and Houston is okay more than good at prospect development. How does a team watch four elite players walk, and end up with a naked farm system? Good luck trying to build a team worth a crap. Even in a season where the Mariners stop hitting for two months, you guys barely got past Seattle. A smart team would've overpaid for Tucker and let Altuve walk in his late-30s. Taking away Tucker and Bregman, you'll be lucky to win 80 games, and Paredes is trash, once teams stop pitching him in, his power will evaporate and you'll have nothing more than a role player. Only Cam Smith is good, and the 2025 draft is bad. End of a dynasty.
Long time Cubs fan here. I don't know what Cubs fans you were talking to, but I can tell you right now, the Astros traded an All-Star player for a load of dead weight. Houston got fleeced. Even if Kyle Tucker stays with the Cubs for only one year, the deal was still worth it. Cam Smith is an unknown who's not even close to being in the majors, Paredes' bat looked lazy and slow in Chicago and he never seemed to fit in, and every time Wesneski came into a game he was giving up home runs. I can only imagine how many he's going to give up in that phone booth in Houston. Long story short, the Cubs gave up a load of nothing.
Better than letting him walk for nothing at the end of the year 🤷♂️no guarantee he stays healthy all year in the first place, and I don’t think the cubs are going to extend him. Worst case scenario for both teams is tucker gets injured for y’all, or walks at the end of the year, and none of the players in return pan out for the Astros
I understand the reasoning, but my heart is broken loosing Tucker. He was my favorite player in all of baseball. He will be greatly missed. TY Tucker. May your future be bright.
Who is awesome my favorite player so heartbroken right now 😢
Hey we can always break the bank Next year and sign him. And then thank the cubs for the three players
Cubs fan here. Cam Smith may not be one of our top 3 prospects right now, but he easily could have been if we still had him 1 year from now.
He's following an identical path to Matt Shaw. Shaw was also our first round pick the year before, and he also climbed to AA within that same year. At that time he was around our 6th highest prospect just like Cam Smith was now. The following year he played AAA and became our top prospect, around 20th in the entire league.
Overall, I love that both fan bases are loving this trade for the most part. I know that I'm ecstatic.
So as a Cubs fan, who got the better deal? Did you feel like you gave up to much for possible a 1 year rental?
@@dougfresh397 For me it's too much. Only because I dream on Cam Smith. However I am hyped to have Tucker and 2025 is going to actually be fun now. So I'll live. You got a potential stud so I think this was a great trade for you. Paredes will hit really well in MM too, so he'll fill 3B for you for awhile.
Astros fans are definitely not loving this trade. Not sure where you’re getting that feeling from.
Astros fan loving this trade because we never get anything for these stars!!! Use your brain Astro fans we aren’t signing huge contracts
Did not like issac at all in Chicago, wesneski has had good moments but far more meltdowns than good moments but he has some stuff that’s great so who knows. Cam smith is the only thing about this that stings at all as a cubs fan
14:01 feel like this is an important point to clarify - Cam Smith is 73rd overall prospect, but he was not the Cubs 2nd ranked prospect - he was their 7th ranked prospect (that's how good their system was and still is). Now whether he would have risen to their 2nd best or even best prospect at some point going forward is a different and subjective story because he did have one of the biggest ceilings in their system and came out scorching hot right away last year after being drafted. As for the trade as a whole - fans on both sides should stop worrying about which side came away better or did the "fleecing" - this was a fair trade that makes sense for both sides at this point in time. BOTH franchises got better in different ways based on where they currently sit in their MLB roster compositions, payroll budgets, and prospect cycles.
Its too early to see how this works out for the Astros but so far Dana Brown hasn't given me reason for concern.Losing Kyle Tucker does hurt but you need to get something to replenishg the farm system and address 3rd and 1st. Cam Smith gives you a tremendous trad piece if he doesn't end up being the future 3rd baseman. This trade has a good chance of being a big win for the Astros.
Hoping he can move to OF…we have nothing out there.
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Boy I did not want to lose Cam Smith. He was easily our 2nd best prospect, right behind Matt Shaw. Watch how fast he jumps into the top 20 in all of baseball next year. Cam Smith is the PRIZE here. I know Paredes fills a hole and will hit well in your ballpark. But make no doubt, Smith is THE prize of this trade for the Astros.
Please explain how he is so highly regarded. His numbers don't support it and he has only played a handful of games in AA. He is not projected to reach the Majors before 2027 if he even makes it at all. Remember most prospects never make it.
@@akitas8165 I think 2026 is realistic. He raked in A+ and hit 5 homers in 5 days in AA in his short time. Yes we know most prospects don't make it. Though the higher the prospect the more likely they are to make an impact. Guy was drafted middle of the 1st round last year and is already ranked MLB top 77. He's a quick riser just like Matt Shaw was the year before him. Matt shaw was drafted only 1 year earlier and he's already likely going to be our starting 2B or 3B in 2025. Just 2 years after his draft. That's why I think 2026 is realistic for Cam.
I’d personally like to see a trade for Luis Robert now that Tucker is in Chicago. Three years of affordable team control for an elite defensive center fielder who has already won a gold glove, a silver slugger, was the rookie of the year runner up and an all star in the rather short amount of time he’s played. He led the league in batting average in 2021, was second in the league in HRs with 38 just one year ago, and stole 23 of 26 bags in 100 games last season. He would be a great fit in that ballpark stacked with Yordan in the order.
The Mariners can only hope that the Astros trade the rest of their trash farm system to get Luis Robert... I'm 95% sure that the Tucker trade just handed Seattle the division, but pissing away $20M on Robert to be injured like Alvarez would secure it...
Whether you like Tucker or not the decision to trade him is a great one simply because we’re sick and tired of watching these guys walk once their contract is up! We might as well get something in return before they walk! Should have done that before Springer walked, Correa walked, Cole walked, and Bregman walks, if he ends up walking anyway! Just imagine the players and prospects we would have had if we traded those guys a year before their contracts were up! We would have been loaded with talents the last several years!
Your logic is flawed
Good move. Shoulda got another prospect but he'll only be in Chicago one year. So that had something to do with that. Hell be a Dodger , Yankee, Red Six or Philly eventually
I second the motion on Jurickson Profar.
Tucker never showed interest to stay with Astros. Not even a passing interest, despite multiple talks of new contract. Glad we got something for him.
I think you’re right. I think that having him go to arbitration pissed him off and since then he was not interested in staying. I also think that the last two years in the playoffs cost the Astros at least winning the 2023 WS. He gets some hits and we beat Texas… and sweep Arizona….
I don't think the offer to Bregman was crap. He had the lowest OPS of his career...especially with the OBP dropping 50 points in a contract year. I think those are some concerning numbers for a player that wanted Machado money. He'd be averaging 26 million a year until his age 37 season. I think it's going to be instant buyers remorse for whoever signs him. Obviously, I'd prefer to keep him, but not to the point where he's hurting the Astros ability to get better. His 2018 and 2019 seasons were his best, and that was a long time ago. At the same time, I can't blame him for getting what he can, while he can. It's been fun while it lasted.
Yes. I already miss Tucker. For now, the outfield is unsettled. Myers and McCormick are not longterm solutions. Trade F. Valdez and obtain additional prospects.
A outfield with Chas & meyers heck no I like Chas. Jake on the other hand I’m not high on. Also our lineup 90% rightes now.
Glad to see a Bearkat in the astros roster this year!!!
Don't waste the big money on Bregman, sign a decent 1st baseman and outfielder.
Profar is at best over time a 240avg 18 Homer's a year guy,he strikes out every time I watch him hit
Every team makes signings that they regret. Montero and Abreu signings aren't the reason they didn't get a deal done for Tucker. Both those guys come off the books after this next season, along with Pressly. Tucker was probably going to demand, at least 450 over 10 years. The other factor, is that he may not want to play for Houston. We drafted him...he didn't choose to come here. The only problem I have with this, is that we didn't do this last year, and get a bigger haul. If players aren't willing to do an extension, we should trade them with 2 years left. Anyways, no crying over spilt milk...things are changing, and it's time to look to the future...looking forward to Cam Smith being the next Astros star.
First time I’ve given the guys a thumbs down what’s up with the in video commercials and break away commercials wow
What about Jason Hayward in Tuckers spot? Do we still have him?
Goldschmidt would be a good on a two year deal. Can still mash it and is a very high character guy.
This is a good trade in the national league. The cubs Souza and Tucker in their lineup now
That makes them way better and challenging those damn dodgers
I’m confused he said he was upset we didn’t get one of their top 3 prospects but the other guy said he was their 2nd best prospect ? What’s that mean ?
Cam smith was the 6th highest ranked prospect in the cubs system. He was mistaken
Haven’t watch the video yet but should they sign Anthony Santander
Thats a goodbye to Bregman 2?
They got a 3rd baseman in rhe trade🤔
Paredes can play 1st too.
Parades is going to be really good in your guys ballpark!
Are we bringing Ben Gamel back ?? He was really fitting in nicely.
I wouldnt get too excited about Wisneski.
Hes got an A+ slider, but hes really inconsistent.
He can go out and throw 5 scoreless and look unhittable. Then he goes out and looks like hes throwing batting practice.
Gotta fix that inconsistency
I think we should trade Framber. He's not resigning next season. Trade him while he still has some value.
That bat is like KJJr.
Omg really?!
Yordan want to play.
It's amazing how quickly the Yanks can forgive Bregman's cheating!
Glad he’s gone! Looking at the bigger picture, he didn’t do squat in the playoffs .. yes during the season he’s good, but they’re no highlights of him during the playoffs!
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6 best cubs prospect
We still need to sign bregman and slap paredes at first
Imma miss King Tuck man the organization messed up with this one. He is a fan favorite and had his own section in right field at the Juice Box and no im not calling it Daikin. Sad day for the city
Honestly they didn’t botch the Tucker deal, everyone knew the Astros don’t do 10 year contracts. They didn’t do it for altuve that says a lot. Tucker got hurt, his postseason numbers are horrible. Better to get whatever you can get rather than lose him for nothing. Tucker body language at least to me was he didn’t want to be in Houston.
I think the Astros will make a trade for Luis Robert.
No we can’t stay par with Chas and Jake they are horrendous!!!
I'm tired of hearing about Jacob Melton. He's not very good. He's just all we've got basically. He's a 4th outfielder at best..
If Bregman and Tucker are gone same offseason so are a bunch of season ticket holders who could spend their money on a beautifully made rockets team
Exactly
Rockets really..???????
Wrong
Then these season ticket holders were not real Astros fans, but were really Kyle Tucker fans,
Getting excited about Cam Smith. He has not played above AA yet. We got the short end of the stick in this trade.
Cam smith is a top 100 prospect and he was just drafted the dude is going to be a problem for rival teams. Cubs got the short end of the stick
It's funny how both sides can say we gave up too much. I'm from a Cubs fan perspective who's been dreaming on Cam Smith. He'll easily be top 30 in all of baseball next year. Perhaps even top 20.
Hayward was good last year
2 noodle arms in center and right wtf
This decision by the Astros will age like roadkill.
Dana Brown is destroying our team🤬
A Homegrown Kid that Jim Crane Can’t sign Him as An Astro for life..And Prospects are Suspects..Big LOSS FOR ASTROS!!!
HAHA. THIS TRADE WAS ***IDIOTIC!*** DANA BROWN AND JEFF BAGPOORLY PLAYED THEMSELVES.
Blockbuster? 🙄
Back to being DisASTROS again! Should have kept TUCKER and played him @ 1st base. Dana Dumb Brown.
I'LL BET WE LET BREGS WALK. PAREDES AT 3B. SINGLETON AT 1B. I BET WE SAVE THE CASH AND RE-SIGN TUCK AFTER 2025. LOL.
Fire Dana Brown
The evil empire strikes again! Way not to give up the rookie cashman.. king tuck will come to the dark side eventually! Oh yea ** world champions.. # chasing 28😊
So Dana Brown got nothing for Tucker. Brown is going to go down in Houston sports lore as the GM that gave away the Astros dynasty. Bud Adams can now rest in peace as he is no longer the most hated man in Houston sports history.
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As a Mariners fan, you guys are going to be trash this year... You guys seem to think the Mariners aren't very good, but if you guys didn't manipulate the amateur draft window of a few years around the time when you didn't sign Aiken and took two top 5 picks during one of the best drafts in the past 20 years, the Astros would've never won a World Series... Correa, gone. Tucker, gone. Bregman, gone. Springer, gone. Altuve, old. Alvarez, bad knees. Take away can't miss lottery picks and Houston is okay more than good at prospect development.
How does a team watch four elite players walk, and end up with a naked farm system? Good luck trying to build a team worth a crap. Even in a season where the Mariners stop hitting for two months, you guys barely got past Seattle. A smart team would've overpaid for Tucker and let Altuve walk in his late-30s. Taking away Tucker and Bregman, you'll be lucky to win 80 games, and Paredes is trash, once teams stop pitching him in, his power will evaporate and you'll have nothing more than a role player. Only Cam Smith is good, and the 2025 draft is bad. End of a dynasty.
Excuses
Long time Cubs fan here. I don't know what Cubs fans you were talking to, but I can tell you right now, the Astros traded an All-Star player for a load of dead weight. Houston got fleeced. Even if Kyle Tucker stays with the Cubs for only one year, the deal was still worth it. Cam Smith is an unknown who's not even close to being in the majors, Paredes' bat looked lazy and slow in Chicago and he never seemed to fit in, and every time Wesneski came into a game he was giving up home runs. I can only imagine how many he's going to give up in that phone booth in Houston. Long story short, the Cubs gave up a load of nothing.
Well let’s hope you’re wrong.
I think you pretty much summed it up correctly.
Better than letting him walk for nothing at the end of the year 🤷♂️no guarantee he stays healthy all year in the first place, and I don’t think the cubs are going to extend him. Worst case scenario for both teams is tucker gets injured for y’all, or walks at the end of the year, and none of the players in return pan out for the Astros
So doesn't mean that he will hit bad in Houston he was a All-star before.
And it's not a good deal for y'all because Tucker is going to stay if y'all pay him he wants alot of money.
Well , all I know is that stros should have gotten rid of Lance 2years ago