Just a reminder, I know I've stated it in the video but please don't make your backup drive into the Level 2 cache. The Level 2 cache is supposed to be empty SSD drive. It's also always a good idea to have everything backed up just in case. PrimoCache FAQs Answered: ua-cam.com/video/mfc2JKLUD4c/v-deo.html
(Edit) WON'T WORK Please Importantly read this COMMENT before coping your files. IT WON'T WORK and you will LOSE YOUR DATA if you don't acknowledge this!! Omg It actually worked thank you so much! Just like most of times you find click baits more than something that can actually work. I didn't search for this and I also didn't know you can do this. When I saw you video I just said "Oh yeah quite obviously. let's just see how people are fooled by this video" and when I watched it and tried it my self woah that was a dang dang. I never experienced before so glad I clicked and Thanks again for this tutorial :) Here Are My Benchmarking Results I have a question. I want to know something but before that I would like to show my benchmarking results that I did (Real world test) I created a 35GB partition and dedicated it for Level 2 cache then assigned to my external hard drive. The write speeds were higher than yours. I copied around 60Gb (6 Files 5 52.5GB) 10.5Gb each) and 1 File 7.2GB) It was transferring at 1.90Gbs until it copied around 15Gb, then the speed dropped to 580-600mbs until 38Gb more was copied. after that, last 7Gb was copied at the basic speed of hard drive (85mbs) Total Time was It took was 3 minutes and 45 seconds First part took around 5 seconds, the second part took around 1 minutes and the last part took the rest of time. I did the same thing twice and the results were same. I believe that's probably because my cache is 35Gb. Next time I copied the same thing but not all 6 files at the same time. Instead, I copied each one of 2 files separately. I copied other 2 files and same thing again until entire 60Gb copied. first 2 Files were 21GB (10.5GB Each) Next 2 Files were 21GB (10.5GB Each) And last 2 files were 17.8GB (1 file 7.2Gb and the other one was 10.5). The first 2 files took 20 seconds, second 2 took 35 seconds and last 2 took 1 minute 5 seconds. This test was done 3 and results were same this time 3 times because while coping second time for some reason while coping third 2 files windows file explorer was crashed (Not responding ). I don't know what caused this the hard drive or what but It was not my PC's fault I can guarantee everything is brand new equipped and everything is 100% stable also this never happened before. I unplugged the hard drive and the windows explorer started responding (Working) It's might be hard disk's fault but this was never caused before it's also in a well condition and has no problems at all. One thing I noticed after connecting my hard drive back that the last 4 files I copied were lost, the folder I was coping was empty. That means we have to be careful and try not to do any other activity while the files are being copied in order to safely transfer data I was about to do the third test that could may allows us to copy it even faster but there is a reality behind this all that came out. This all shown doesn't makes a big difference yes using this method to copy files and copy files normally makes no difference other than saving you just a couple of seconds. Whaaaaa? Sound's weird right? Let me explain the reality behind this that I didn't even knew until now. Before doing the last test. If you've been read my second benchmark I've mentioned that I did it three times instead of 2 because the hard drive was crashed and when I check the folder I was coping in had lost the last 4 files I copied with the same way I was about to copy the last 2 were gone. I tried to investigate what caused but while doing that I had an idea to try the same thing again to see if I lose data each time I do it and tuned out it did. every time right after coping data if you unplug your hard drive, the data stored before gets lost, deleted, empty or what ever you call it this is why I also notice the hard drive keep running even after many minutes passed the files were copied but it was still active. what basically happens is that after you copy something into your hard drive instead of actually storing the data at the speed shown what it does is that it stores all of it into level 2 cache drive and and this is also the reason it slows down coping data after level 2 cache drive storage level gigabytes are reached what it does is that, It slows down the transfer speed and when to much amount is exceeded. As I mentioned before I have set 35GB capacity for level 2 cache drive. so when I copied 60Gb first it copied at speed but when it acknowledge that there is to much data incoming it slows down the speed and start show that now it has started coping at it's original speed in reality it never copied at that speed the hard disk write speed cannot be changed at all it may show us that the files are already copied and you will even see it in the hard drive with an actual size that you files have it will prove you the data is copied but in real it was coping at it's original speed 100mbs most of times it will take 1 minute for 6Gb but in it will just not show what its doing. it will just show it's completed and the reality will come up front when you will disconnect your hard drive, connect it back and see no data what you stored. If you want try it yourself let me tell you how to safely try it yourself first revert back changes. made by this software. Click on all the hard drive in the software and on top, in the icons area where you created new cache task click on the 4th button with the red cross sign on the hard drive, it's called "stop and remove the cache" if you hover your cursor on it you should see each one of those button's names. click on it and remove every hard drive in it. Now copy files and copy it do not move them. note the time now once you know how much time it took on default speed and make sure you copy a large file that should take at least 3 to 4 minutes so you can accurately know it if you a files copies in seconds than it wont matter rather you use this software or not because this software is pacifically made for larger files and that is only the reason for using it. it doesn't makes sense for using it to copy a file that is smaller than you hard disk's write speed so make sure you use around 3 to 5gb file now you know how much time it took by coping it at it's original speed now enable this software delate the previous copied file and copy it again from the same destination. Boom! it copied so fast WOW.... NO WAIT.. The easiest way to know is by safely removing or (Ejecting Hard Drive) do not unplug do this: go to This PC then right clicking on the hard drive and choosing the option eject and make sure before ejecting, everything that utilizes the hard drive is closed. only This PC is open where you see all the available hard drives now once you click on eject you will see the hard drive will be still connected and also it will be spinning at it's full rpm if you touch it it should vibrate if it's HDD and also the it won't be disappeared from file explorer but if let it take it's time it will eject it self right after the time that took before when you copied those files on their original speed also try coping any file at it's normal speed and then right after it's copied eject it from This PC and it will instantly eject and disappear from everywhere. Okay hope this is really help full just like it and put it on top.
@@S.M.HassanShah The reason why it's fast is from what you noticed, it's actually just storing it in your SSD cache, hence why it's fast and the files are usable because it's still getting it from your cache. The point is to leave the hard drive connected until the cache has been emptied which is copying at a much slower rate. Really it's copying it at the original rate of the hard drive, it just does it in the background. There's a physical limitation of the hard drive, hence why it's cached on something faster. Just don't turn off your computer or unplug your drive until the cache is flushed out completely.
@@landpet @landpet Yeah so I don't really think If there really is a benefit for doing this, because It won't effect on any hard drive. The speed will be the same whether you do this or you don't. If a HDD has 100mbs speed it will take 10 seconds to copy 1GB no matter what you do.
@@S.M.HassanShah Yes for it to be a real copy. But it's nice copying it quickly cause I would tend to leave my computer on for a while anyways, I prefer this personally. For someone like you that is possibly removing the hard drives, it's most likely pointless for you.
This video is Amazing! I was transferring 19GB data from my pc to external HDD yesterday for about 3 hours. Now, not more than 30 minutes of copying another 19GB files it's already 42%! Thanks man for the this.
Primocache won't *drastically speed up* file transfers at all, when it matters: namely, the first time you want to transfer a file. Primocache first has to "learn" what needs to be cached, and it does that after the first file transfer. So it's basically useless for "first and only" file transfers. After that, yeah, it's great. But why would anyone want to keep transferring a file back and forth (other than to see confirmation that Primocache is working?) It also won't help at all in system boot times. If anything, it will slow down your boot time, because the Primocache app first has to load at boot, plus it has to load a filter driver. But it works great in gaming, web browsing and database applications - anything with repetitive I/O patterns.
If the transfer source device is much faster than the destination and the cache size is larger than the transfer data size, then user will observe faster data transfer and completion, but, still has to wait for the cache flush to complete. This may or may not be helpful. However, except pure data transfer tasks, almost all other computer operations will benefit from caching.
I understand what you saying BUT the DATA is not really being moved to the new drive any faster. All of the transferring is just happening in the background. Even if you only use Lv2 (SSD) the DATA has not been moved to the HDD any faster. To make that happen you need to increase the allocation unit size from the default 4k to a number equal to 256k PER DATA DRIVE in in your storage pool. This has to be done before you create the storage space OR you take each drive out of the pool one at a time, reformat each one in disc manager with the new unit size then return it to the pool. Then speeds will increase for real not a placebo effect.
Great vid... really helped a lot. To the point instructions and it worked like a charm. In my case, I had created a separate 50 GB partition of the primary SSD and used it as a L2 cache.
That's insanely fast! I feel like I could just partition like 20 or 30 GB of my current SSD and use that as the L2 cache. For L1 cache, I can probably use like 4GB or so. Thanks!!!
@@emiyakiritsugu6329 L1 cache is just RAM, L2 cache is the SSD. If 4GB is enough for most of your transfer file sizes, then it should be ok but be VERY CAREFUL with any partition from your existing boot SSD. I highly recommend backing up your boot SSD before even trying anything just in case.
Generally, L2 is only needed for HDD. For SSD only L1 is enough. The idea is to have a high speed device act as a cache or buffer in the middle of even higher speed device and the slowest device.
I have to say, I was trying to move all of my movies and tv shows from an old external 3 TB drive to my mass storage pool that I just created of 7TB. Before this solution, I had to transfer one smaller folder at a time or the speed would crash to zero and everything would freeze up. Using this method, I used my 1TB SSD that wasn't really doing anything as the cache with 12GBs of my 16GB RAM capacity and its now transferring 800+ GBs at a much higher speed than it was. Still not 1GB per second but higher than it was and at a consistent speed.
Ram caching makes a huge difference on VMware and Virtualbox machines. You restart the OS on them and barely see any disk activity. Basically the virtual windows becomes faster than the main one.
WOW i didn't think i would see any difference but i cant believe how responsive laptop is now, and i didn't bother using a harddrive i just sacrificed 4gb from my 20gb to create my cache and dam... copying, transferring even opening up large photoshop files is so much quicker...aah man this was a good one
does it support any pc or laptop? and how many gigs would you suggest for cache storage? i am planning to partition my ssd drive where my OS is installed and follow every step you suggested.
Be very careful if you already have your OS on it. Always a good idea to backup everything. Caching is entirely dependent on the user, also doesn't hurt to experiment with a few numbers such as 64GB and see if it works out. It also matters how large your hard drive is that you are trying to speed up. The larger the drive, the larger the cache will help. Yes it works on Windows 10, regardless if it's a PC or Laptop.
@@piwiee I like the Minitool paritition wizard. Maybe sometime in the future, that's a good idea. I currently have a ton of videos in my queue including other requests.
@@piwiee LOL, I subscribed to your channel. Very good drawings you have. I just saw you doing Naruto doing the Kage Bunshin No Jutsu. There's a whole bunch of other animes that I've seen so I recognize a good amount of it!
@@piwiee I should mention it's dangerous partitioning your C drive. I'll see if I can get it to sooner than later. Since you have a request, let me ask a request. You should draw Gatts from Berserk (something with his huge sword) or Ichigo from Bleach in his bankai form :)
Yes, I don’t recommend partitioning your c drive but I did recently do a video on how it’s done. Yes any partition will work. Here’s the video: ua-cam.com/video/9iT-a89DvNs/v-deo.html Btw you can get away with just using RAM (level 1 cache). Obviously level 2 cache helps buts it’s not mandatory.
Is L1 cache enabled without the use of PrimoCache? Or is it enabled via the software... I feel like that would be super useful to allocate a few GBs of my RAM to L1...
This is a primocache thing. Of course ram does store temporary files to access things quicker without peimocache but it's not used as cache for speeding up writes to spinning hard drives.
There is also free alternative for SSD cache ( without RAM cache ) from Intel & AMD. For intel motherboard it is Intel® Smart Response Technology ( SSD & HDD must be connected using Intel Controller on motherboard ) and in some cases you must choose RAID mode in BIOS instead SATA to see "Performance" tab in ISRT panel. For AMD motherboards you can use AMD StoreMI - The new version supports only selected motherboards, but it seems to me that the previous version from six months ago works with more motherboards.
Okay so let me say one thing.. Here we are using SSD for caching.... Well I agree that using SSD for copying increases the transmission speed.. But i want to point out flaw of SSD that u might have ignored is that SSD's have limited Read/Write's and frequently using SSD for caching increases wear and tear of SSD, at last your SSD might die on you at very early age so i suggest you to not use SSD for any copy work.
Sure but they actually last for quite a while so caching it isn’t going to do anything to it. Google SSD MTBF and you will see most of have an MTBF of over 1 million hours which is 114 years (some actually go much more than that). So if it was used consistently nonstop, it would have an average life of over 100 years and there are others that last much longer. What you’re thinking about is flash drives, they have much shorter lives.
Again another great video. I'm curious as to whether it would help in my situation though. I have a Synology NAS shared through my house that I use to store and access files for 3D work. I'm thinking this software would need to run on the NAS itself to have any effect? Or can you see a way this would be useful in a situation like mine? Again, great content, keep up the great work.
Thanks! Hmmm, I have synology NAS drives as well but I haven’t tried speeding them up. Running it on the synology is probably not necessary or possible? since you would need local ram or ssd on the synology itself to use to speed up but then again, synology has its own caching software so primocache would be useless here again assuming it can run on it. Running it on windows and selecting the synology may be an option but I haven’t checked if this is possible. I’ need a few days to play with it but I feel like it’s possible if you do it with the following method. Map a folder of your synology, I think this will make it appear as one of the drives you can speed up. So this will probably work if you want to give it a try.
Thanks for the vid. i have a massive 6TB graveyard drive that is quite slow (average 35mb/s write). the cluster size for the drive is 1024kb. When i try speeding it up with the process from your video, i run into problems where the transfer rate falls all the way to 0mb/s which freezes primocache and causes me to restart my pc. i feel like there’s obviously something i’m doing wrong or missing. would love any feedback, can give you more info if you need !
Yes, that's exactly it. Your cache space must be running out, so you need a larger amount of cache space or reduce the file transfer size until the cache has emptied out.
hi @landpet could i ask .. i want to copy my whole external backup harddisk to my D drive . It was about 1.5TB of data in my external backup harddisk ... how much space do i need for the empty SSD ? it is exactly 1.5TB too for the SSD ?
Nice tutorial dude but i have a question. Since im going to be using this cache for games i want it to remain even after a reboot (ram is volatile so it would erase all the cached data on it upon power off) so how i can i make sure the cached data is written entirely to the ssd while still using ram to speed up the drive? I hope you got my point xD
If you have extra RAM and your game doesn't take too much space. It would actually be faster if you used this software called RAMDISK. It reserves your RAM and makes it act like a hard drive, you install directly on this and when you load the games, it is beyond fast. I haven't used this yet but I imagine it reserves some hard drive space to store the ge there as well so after power cycles it will reload the game to RAM since As you know RAM is volatile memory. Here's the link: www.softperfect.com/products/ramdisk/
Thanks for the video. It really works. Is it possible to check " how much data of file shared via LAN cable" from Laptop to laptop? If any method is there I want to know.
So I have a game storage of 500GB which can move, If I used this program and I delete the program once I moved the files over and it would affect anything ?
@@landpet Thanks for the reply! I have a couple of more questions, - How do I know when the file transfer is actually complete and the cache is emptied? In other words, how do I know when I can unplug the usb? - I was copying some game files to an external drive and when I looked at the progress bar of the file copy, I saw a pattern. Every once in a while, it drops to 0 bytes/s, and then it stays there for a while. After that, it shoots back up at around 300-600mb/s. It never goes up above 1gb. Also I was using L1 (RAM) only and not using L2 (SSD). How can I speed up the transfer and why does it do this pattern? Here is the link of the image of the progress bar: imgur.com/a/cwfjG9Q Edit: I forgot to mention that I have 8gb of ram and allocated around 5gb for the file transfer.
Check primo cache to see when the deferred blocks are completed. I believe that’s too little ram for your laptop. If you reserve 5GB, that leaves 3GB which is not really enough for windows. Try reserving 2GB or 3GB and test that out. At the end of the day, I don’t think you have enough resources, your run out of cache which is why it goes to 0
Should help with game launching speeds assuming you launch that game often so it gets cached. It will not help with bootup. If you want bootup speeds improved, you need to use the SSD as your main drive
Do you actually lose all the storage space of the cached ssd, did I get it right? In your video, you used 1Tb of ssd as cache, so since the drive cannot be seen on the list of drives, than it's gone? I thought that it might be merged with the storage HDD
Yes, you lose the amount you choose to create the level 2 cache. You can always partition the SSD and cache a smaller amount as well. Think of it like a temporary storage where files are written to it quickly then emptied out to go to the intended place. It's essentially only used for speed.
If your caching it for a large drive, then 256GB seems fine to me. It really depends what file sizes you typically copy and how big the drive your caching for. If your caching for a drive that's 8TB or something like that, then yes I think 256GB is a good number. If you're caching for a drive that's 1TB, then maybe 256GB is too much, maybe 128GB for that would be enough.
@@landpet I have 2TB hdd with samsung 250gb ssd How much for this hdd is enough you think? And if the power loss in middle of copying data then you mean the all of data of caching device is cleared from system or just the data wants to copy is being deleted?
I'm sorry but how is this helpful for transferring data from one laptop to one 3.0 SSD? Do I have to buy a second to act as "Hyper Speed Drive" to transfer files faster?
@@landpet What would you recommend for transferring files from a laptop (ASUS ROG GL702) to SSD USB 3.0? It is very sad to see the "copy" process starts very fast 100's MB/s only to watch it drop to single digit
If you’re using ram as cache, then that would be reserved so you would have less available. Depending on how much ram your game needs, there may be a performance hit. If your game is installed on this drive you are trying to speed up, then if you have read cache setup and you load the game often, there may be a boost in performance for your game but do keep in mind that now you have less ram available so it may offset any boost
I'm looking to build a pc that can play 4k videos and 4k youtube. I'm also going to use it as a NAS starting with 4, 8TB hard drives in parity mode using Storage Spaces. Will this work with file transfers and streaming 4k content over my network as well? Thanks for the video.
Yes, it helps out in those situations. However two things to note: 1. I would advise against doing parity using Storage Spaces. I actually have videos on how to do this but one person commented saying that there was an issue with the latest version of Windows only for parity mode (I researched and confirmed that there was indeed a problem), since then I have since changed my setup and am using TrueNAS. This Windows version update caused parity storage spaces to stop working and nothing could be done, so maybe look at a mirror or getting a dedicated Synology for that. 2. Another thing worth mentioning as well, the speed of your network will be the bottleneck, so my local area network is gigabit, so my transfers are capped at around 120MB/s, with or without this SSD cache using PrimoCache even though locally on the machine I can copy at around 1.2GB/s. Other than those two things, this procedure really speeds up stuff.
@@landpet I have gigabit as well. which is pleanty for my needs, as long as I can stream 4k content to devices I'll be happy. That is unfortunate about Storage Spaces. I want to be able to use it as a PC and a NAS. Will TrueNAS still allow me to have it as dual purpose? Running win10 and a NAS? I'm trying to avoid buying an expensive dedicated NAS and a separate PC.
@@mcduvall2000 I don't think TrueNAS will play nicely, it's really designed to be by itself. You may have to go the mirror router on storage spaces, I haven't heard of any issues for those, granted you will lose more spaces compared to parity.
@@MrClockw3rk It is sped up because the files are all usable once the fast transfer has completed, it just then copies it in the background while you're doing other stuff. There is a physical limitation on the hard drive that software can't fix, this offsets that.
When u use the SSD as cache, it will lost its files and the SSD wont show up right? What about the drive you will speed up? Will it also be reformatted or lose its contents before you can use it? Ty
Yes, when you create a cache SSD, everything gets deleted and it no longer shows up. Nothing happens to the drive being sped up, I always recommend having backups.
@@landpet sir, if i only have 13G SSD partition, will it be enough to speed up my transfer? upon checking my THIS PC, there's a 13G SSD partition drive with nothing in it.. i dont know what it's for so im planning to use it as cache. will it be enough for light transfers? ty
This will only help your transfer speeds. If you want to speed up your computer, one thing you can do is install your OS on an SSD. You can even partition a part of that SSD and do this as well to increase transfer speeds to other spinning hard drives.
@@landpet but I think it speeds up loading of games and apps and make the startup of windows faster like ssd? And I have one big question too My transfer rate in windows when copying forexample 2 gb of rar file to other local disk is like 120 mb/s and it is decreasing after some seconds and that is not like 1.2gb? It is like that just when you copy file from your drive e to drive c and then the nedt time it is like 1.2gb For me like this And I should say I choose my whole hdd for caching with ssd and I config like that you but my total write like 10 mb and very low and I dont get good speed and I think it is like hdd speed My ssd is samsung evo 860 250gb
So at the moment i just got my very budget pc couple weeks ago. Currently it has 256gb 3,5 ssd for the OS and only 250gigs hdd for the normal file storage (i used my old hdd from one of my oldest pc, don't jugde lol). My PC has 16 gigs of ram, and at the moment i just ordered 128gigs nvme and 1tb hdd. My plan is to use the 128 gigs as the SSD cache for the 1tb hdd. If i'm not mistaken, the first caching will use RAM first then SSD. My question is, can i just use SSD for the cache so it won't take the ram space? Thanks!
Yes you don't have to use L1 cache which is from RAM, you just use L2 cache which just uses the SSD, it will be fast transfers but not as fast as if you use RAM.
So I have been enjoying using this for a hard disk drive but trying to use it for an SSD and it only works about every 2 minutes and then slows down. Trying to transfer a terabyte quickly.
@@landpet wow that makes a lot of sense So I guess it would be best to transfer one video at a time instead of all of them at once. Kind of defeats the purpose though I just turned the cake off for the drive where I am doing transfers too. It was a SSD anyways
Restarting your computer doesn’t change anything other than if you have L1 cache that’s not empty then you can lose data so make sure your cache is empty
Hi! Thank you for the video :) I follow the steps but it does not work. I reserve 114 GB on partitioned ssd and 24 Gb of RAM but still get slow speeds (56 mb/s on paried storage Pool) When i set to "mirror" on storage i can get 180 mb/s. I am using Samsung EVO 860. Is there anything else i can try? Thanks again!
Primocache is awesome. However, putting SSD as a writing cache is a very risky step as it will simply kill the SSD due to overuse. It will work awesomely if it was reading cache. RAM writing cache for 1GB is more than enough for any HDD.
what does "warning: all data on the following volume will be lost, and the format process cannot be cancelled!" mean? does it mean that all files in the hard drive will be gone?
TLDR: Do not erase any data. Only erase an already empty SSD when converting it to your L2 cache. Please watch the entire video without skipping anything as every step is important. Yes, that's exactly what it means. Do not erase the drive you are trying to speed up. You only want to change the empty (keyword: empty) SSD that will be converted into L2 cache, that's the only thing that should be erased assuming that's what you're trying to do. Once the SSD becomes the L2 cache, it will help speed up your hard drive with the data you don't want to delete.
It depends, are games loaded on the hard drive that is being cached? If so, it can help with some of that by using the RAM but if you're trying to do that, you can use a dedicated method with this other software called Soft Perfect RAM Disk. I would say it's more consistently used for copying files.
@@landpet Thanks for replying.i have 1 more question.i did the same as in the video and put 5 gb ram but when copying from ssd to hdd it doesnt used my ram in the process.Why is that?
@@sultanqat1996 It should use that first, are you copying files larger than 5GB? or are you copying really small files and it's finishing quickly? You have that time delay set to 10seconds or greater?
This method biggest downside is that the device needs to be turned on until the whole process reaches 0 in that primocache software. Only then we can close the device
Yes, this thing is more designed for internal devices so you won't have to worry too much about it. Just leave the computer on and it does things in the background
So how do I know when it’s fully done caching? So I don’t make a mistake and turn my pc off thinking it’s done? Also all I’m trying to do is transfer my game files to my 16tb hdd but have it be faster cuz it’s slooooooooow as hell then back it up in cloud can this make my transfer speed faster from my ssd to my hdd?
Good day sir...i bought a samsung 860 evo 1tb ssd and put it on an orico 3.0 enclosure for external usage and im just getting simetimes 2mb/s mostly 56mb/s and rarely 79mb/s at top speed when transffering files to the ssd...i am worried that i might have a defective ssd or something...is that normal for converted ssd's..?thank you sir...
Are you using a USB 2.0 port or USB 2.0 cable? If so, then yes it's normal. Verify you're using USB 3.0 or USB 3.1 cables and ports and it should speed up.
@@landpet i am using a 3.0 cable,port and ssd case...i am worried that i might have a fake samsung product.and also samsung magician program says that the ssd is not supported.
It seems like it isn't real, if you unplug the drive, wilm the files be corrupted? This makes it look like it transferred faster, but if the file isn't physically (i guess physically is the better term for this application) in the drive, then it can't be claimed a faster write speed because the files aren't done writing.
I don't recommend this for external drives since as you mentioned, if you unplug the device, the files will be corrupted until the cache is emptied out.
Great video . am getting message Kernel component is not running! if you haven't restarted the computer since installation, you shall restart it. but I have restarted it but still the same message. Help.
Thanks! not sure why you're getting that message, I haven't seen anything like that. Assuming you followed everything here and it's not working, it's probably best you ask PrimoCache directly.
@@landpet thanks i got it sorted when i paid for the full version. I followed your video but am only getting about 150mbs speed with 100gb ssd and Exos drives. Am i doing something wrong.
For most people, it won't, SSDs are designed to last a very long time and have a good amount of TBW (the lower end SSDs can support an average of 200TBs of data written with some having much more like the Samsung 980 Pro having around 1200TBW rating) so chances are it will be fine unless you write many terabytes of data quite often.
This speeds up all transfers (assuming the hard your copying to is being cached via RAM (Level 1) and/or SSD (Level 2) Cached). However I will say this, it will definitely be faster but it probably wont be as fast as the demo I showed because I'm copying the files from an NVMe SSD drive to the Hard drive (that is using a RAM and/or SSD cache). So it's going from fast to fast. If you go from HDD to HDD (Cached), then you're going from slow to fast, while it will be faster than normal, it won't be as fast as the demo I showed. Unless both the HDD's are using the RAM and/or SSD's caching mechanisms.
Technically it can as long as you have enough cache but I don’t recommend this for network drives in case something is disconnected before the cache is empty.
Whether you use this or not doesn't matter. The time it takes for your storage to transfer stays the same. Transfer speeds are limited by your storage devices. PrimoCache does not increase these speeds but rather puts the data you want to use in your memory or ssd and then cycles it out to the hard drive. It might SEEM like you have increased speeds but you don't really. The only advantage of using this program is that you can manipulate data while it is being transferred. Whether you can only play media files like shown in this video or also for example extract files from an archive while it's transferring I don't know. Also understand transfer speeds in your case will also depend on the bandwidth available on your network at the time of transfer. Not that this matters when using PrimoCache because again, it doesn't actually transfer data faster than normal.
Any size is fine, the magic number is how big are the files you copy over? How often do you use files from that drive? The SSD is used to cache files you copy and caches the read you do to read stuff faster. The more space you dedicate, the larger files you can copy without a slowdown and the more files will be cached meaning you can access files quicker. You can start with 20GB, if that's enough then you're good. Meaning you don't copy large files too often and you're reading certain files much more than others. With that said, what I used is much more than what most people need. I think 75GB should satisfy most people.
if you still reply to comments then i got a question. so do you need to set a level 2 drive? because I'm confused which drive is supposed to be the level 2. and if you make a level 2 drive how do you undo it.
So, what happens if you do this, and user turns off his PC without knowing that the writing from the cache device to the hard drive is not done yet? Will he lose his data?
Depends, it will be cleared from the RAM (L1 Cache). But if you're copying it, you have it in the original place. If you're cutting/pasting it, you may lose it if any part of it was in RAM (L1 Cache)
Nice video, and very interesting. Now because of the way things are transferring, if you were to now delete your original source, I would assume you are taking a risk that the rest of the transfer goes off without any interruption / corruptions?
In theory if it's cached, then it should be ok to delete it cause it it fully copied on the L1 cache (don't restart) or L2 cache. But its better to check when the cache is empty meaning it's fully copied.
@@landpet Hey Man, thanks for making this video. Could you advise me, I'm upgrading my Laptop that's a couple years old now. I'm going to swap my 1tb HDD for 500gb SSD and put my HDD in the secondary slot. Ram is 8Gb Should I be using Primocache? 50gb SSD as L2 and 1gb Ram L1? The HDD transfer speed would be a real pain otherwise.
Depending upon use case, it might be better to install the Operating System on SSD and store everyday files in SSD as well. Using HDD to only store large old files or rarely used files might put less pressure on slow HDD and the overall system as well as the system doesn't have to frequently get slowed down waiting for HDD to complete it's tasks. Certainly it would benefit further by use of cache(s).
Just a reminder, I know I've stated it in the video but please don't make your backup drive into the Level 2 cache. The Level 2 cache is supposed to be empty SSD drive. It's also always a good idea to have everything backed up just in case.
PrimoCache FAQs Answered: ua-cam.com/video/mfc2JKLUD4c/v-deo.html
(Edit) WON'T WORK Please Importantly read this COMMENT before coping your files. IT WON'T WORK and you will LOSE YOUR DATA if you don't acknowledge this!!
Omg It actually worked thank you so much! Just like most of times you find click baits more than something that can actually work. I didn't search for this and I also didn't know you can do this. When I saw you video I just said "Oh yeah quite obviously. let's just see how people are fooled by this video" and when I watched it and tried it my self woah that was a dang dang. I never experienced before so glad I clicked and Thanks again for this tutorial :)
Here Are My Benchmarking Results
I have a question. I want to know something but before that I would like to show my benchmarking results that I did (Real world test) I created a 35GB partition and dedicated it for Level 2 cache then assigned to my external hard drive. The write speeds were higher than yours. I copied around 60Gb (6 Files 5 52.5GB) 10.5Gb each) and 1 File 7.2GB) It was transferring at 1.90Gbs until it copied around 15Gb, then the speed dropped to 580-600mbs until 38Gb more was copied. after that, last 7Gb was copied at the basic speed of hard drive (85mbs) Total Time was It took was 3 minutes and 45 seconds First part took around 5 seconds, the second part took around 1 minutes and the last part took the rest of time. I did the same thing twice and the results were same. I believe that's probably because my cache is 35Gb.
Next time I copied the same thing but not all 6 files at the same time. Instead, I copied each one of 2 files separately. I copied other 2 files and same thing again until entire 60Gb copied. first 2 Files were 21GB (10.5GB Each) Next 2 Files were 21GB (10.5GB Each) And last 2 files were 17.8GB (1 file 7.2Gb and the other one was 10.5). The first 2 files took 20 seconds, second 2 took 35 seconds and last 2 took 1 minute 5 seconds. This test was done 3 and results were same this time 3 times because while coping second time for some reason while coping third 2 files windows file explorer was crashed (Not responding ). I don't know what caused this the hard drive or what but It was not my PC's fault I can guarantee everything is brand new equipped and everything is 100% stable also this never happened before. I unplugged the hard drive and the windows explorer started responding (Working) It's might be hard disk's fault but this was never caused before it's also in a well condition and has no problems at all. One thing I noticed after connecting my hard drive back that the last 4 files I copied were lost, the folder I was coping was empty. That means we have to be careful and try not to do any other activity while the files are being copied in order to safely transfer data
I was about to do the third test that could may allows us to copy it even faster but there is a reality behind this all that came out. This all shown doesn't makes a big difference yes using this method to copy files and copy files normally makes no difference other than saving you just a couple of seconds. Whaaaaa? Sound's weird right? Let me explain the reality behind this that I didn't even knew until now.
Before doing the last test. If you've been read my second benchmark I've mentioned that I did it three times instead of 2 because the hard drive was crashed and when I check the folder I was coping in had lost the last 4 files I copied with the same way I was about to copy the last 2 were gone. I tried to investigate what caused but while doing that I had an idea to try the same thing again to see if I lose data each time I do it and tuned out it did. every time right after coping data if you unplug your hard drive, the data stored before gets lost, deleted, empty or what ever you call it this is why I also notice the hard drive keep running even after many minutes passed the files were copied but it was still active.
what basically happens is that after you copy something into your hard drive instead of actually storing the data at the speed shown what it does is that it stores all of it into level 2 cache drive and and this is also the reason it slows down coping data after level 2 cache drive storage level gigabytes are reached what it does is that, It slows down the transfer speed and when to much amount is exceeded. As I mentioned before I have set 35GB capacity for level 2 cache drive. so when I copied 60Gb first it copied at speed but when it acknowledge that there is to much data incoming it slows down the speed and start show that now it has started coping at it's original speed in reality it never copied at that speed the hard disk write speed cannot be changed at all it may show us that the files are already copied and you will even see it in the hard drive with an actual size that you files have it will prove you the data is copied but in real it was coping at it's original speed 100mbs most of times it will take 1 minute for 6Gb but in it will just not show what its doing. it will just show it's completed and the reality will come up front when you will disconnect your hard drive, connect it back and see no data what you stored. If you want try it yourself let me tell you how to safely try it yourself first revert back changes. made by this software. Click on all the hard drive in the software and on top, in the icons area where you created new cache task click on the 4th button with the red cross sign on the hard drive, it's called "stop and remove the cache" if you hover your cursor on it you should see each one of those button's names. click on it and remove every hard drive in it. Now copy files and copy it do not move them. note the time now once you know how much time it took on default speed and make sure you copy a large file that should take at least 3 to 4 minutes so you can accurately know it if you a files copies in seconds than it wont matter rather you use this software or not because this software is pacifically made for larger files and that is only the reason for using it. it doesn't makes sense for using it to copy a file that is smaller than you hard disk's write speed so make sure you use around 3 to 5gb file now you know how much time it took by coping it at it's original speed now enable this software delate the previous copied file and copy it again from the same destination. Boom! it copied so fast WOW.... NO WAIT.. The easiest way to know is by safely removing or (Ejecting Hard Drive) do not unplug do this: go to This PC then right clicking on the hard drive and choosing the option eject and make sure before ejecting, everything that utilizes the hard drive is closed. only This PC is open where you see all the available hard drives now once you click on eject you will see the hard drive will be still connected and also it will be spinning at it's full rpm if you touch it it should vibrate if it's HDD and also the it won't be disappeared from file explorer but if let it take it's time it will eject it self right after the time that took before when you copied those files on their original speed also try coping any file at it's normal speed and then right after it's copied eject it from This PC and it will instantly eject and disappear from everywhere. Okay hope this is really help full just like it and put it on top.
@@S.M.HassanShah The reason why it's fast is from what you noticed, it's actually just storing it in your SSD cache, hence why it's fast and the files are usable because it's still getting it from your cache. The point is to leave the hard drive connected until the cache has been emptied which is copying at a much slower rate. Really it's copying it at the original rate of the hard drive, it just does it in the background. There's a physical limitation of the hard drive, hence why it's cached on something faster. Just don't turn off your computer or unplug your drive until the cache is flushed out completely.
@@landpet @landpet Yeah so I don't really think If there really is a benefit for doing this, because It won't effect on any hard drive. The speed will be the same whether you do this or you don't. If a HDD has 100mbs speed it will take 10 seconds to copy 1GB no matter what you do.
@@S.M.HassanShah Yes for it to be a real copy. But it's nice copying it quickly cause I would tend to leave my computer on for a while anyways, I prefer this personally. For someone like you that is possibly removing the hard drives, it's most likely pointless for you.
@@S.M.HassanShah the longest comment ive ever seen in me life XD . buddy they r called comments for a reason XD
I almost died when my HDD was slowing down, now my HDD is alive again, thanks man!
No problem!
He Said We Need SSD How Is Your HDD cOmiNg aLiVe aGaiN hUh?
Does this method really work for HDD?
A really nice and "to the point" video. Thanks man!
No problem
This video is Amazing!
I was transferring 19GB data from my pc to external HDD yesterday for about 3 hours. Now, not more than 30 minutes of copying another 19GB files it's already 42%! Thanks man for the this.
Glad to hear it helped out! just be careful with the external had. Make sure the cache is empty before unplugging.
Primocache won't *drastically speed up* file transfers at all, when it matters: namely, the first time you want to transfer a file. Primocache first has to "learn" what needs to be cached, and it does that after the first file transfer. So it's basically useless for "first and only" file transfers. After that, yeah, it's great. But why would anyone want to keep transferring a file back and forth (other than to see confirmation that Primocache is working?) It also won't help at all in system boot times. If anything, it will slow down your boot time, because the Primocache app first has to load at boot, plus it has to load a filter driver. But it works great in gaming, web browsing and database applications - anything with repetitive I/O patterns.
Isn't that helpful too?
Thank you for saving me the time!
If the transfer source device is much faster than the destination and the cache size is larger than the transfer data size, then user will observe faster data transfer and completion, but, still has to wait for the cache flush to complete. This may or may not be helpful. However, except pure data transfer tasks, almost all other computer operations will benefit from caching.
I understand what you saying BUT the DATA is not really being moved to the new drive any faster. All of the transferring is just happening in the background. Even if you only use Lv2 (SSD) the DATA has not been moved to the HDD any faster. To make that happen you need to increase the allocation unit size from the default 4k to a number equal to 256k PER DATA DRIVE in in your storage pool. This has to be done before you create the storage space OR you take each drive out of the pool one at a time, reformat each one in disc manager with the new unit size then return it to the pool. Then speeds will increase for real not a placebo effect.
can you help me with that?
bro i just wanna say thanks so much this it went from 171kb/s to 80 mb/s
No problem
Great vid... really helped a lot. To the point instructions and it worked like a charm. In my case, I had created a separate 50 GB partition of the primary SSD and used it as a L2 cache.
Glad to hear!
That's insanely fast! I feel like I could just partition like 20 or 30 GB of my current SSD and use that as the L2 cache. For L1 cache, I can probably use like 4GB or so. Thanks!!!
Yup, huge difference
@@landpet should i make 4 gb partiton of my boot ssd and use it as a L1 cache?
@@emiyakiritsugu6329 L1 cache is just RAM, L2 cache is the SSD. If 4GB is enough for most of your transfer file sizes, then it should be ok but be VERY CAREFUL with any partition from your existing boot SSD. I highly recommend backing up your boot SSD before even trying anything just in case.
@@landpet wait i only have 8 gigs ram and a 128 gigs ssd ( 44 gb free) what should i do?
Generally, L2 is only needed for HDD. For SSD only L1 is enough. The idea is to have a high speed device act as a cache or buffer in the middle of even higher speed device and the slowest device.
Thank you so much my man ! My woes from last 2 years with office computer finally gets a solution. You get my sub. Thanks again.
Great to hear! Thanks!
I have to say, I was trying to move all of my movies and tv shows from an old external 3 TB drive to my mass storage pool that I just created of 7TB. Before this solution, I had to transfer one smaller folder at a time or the speed would crash to zero and everything would freeze up. Using this method, I used my 1TB SSD that wasn't really doing anything as the cache with 12GBs of my 16GB RAM capacity and its now transferring 800+ GBs at a much higher speed than it was. Still not 1GB per second but higher than it was and at a consistent speed.
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Arigato my Boi, I usually don’t comment on any videos but this shiii really worked
Do ita shi mashte, hopefully I said that correctly.
The explanation of the software is pretty straightforward, thanks m8 for this useful information
Glad it helped
Oh man! This is a life saver. I was going bonkers with the slow transfers.
No problem
Thank you so much! this did drastically improve my harddisk speed. Cheers!
You're welcome!
Ram caching makes a huge difference on VMware and Virtualbox machines. You restart the OS on them and barely see any disk activity. Basically the virtual windows becomes faster than the main one.
Ram caching is definitely amazing. I haven't tried it for VMware but I believe it, thanks for the info!
WOW i didn't think i would see any difference but i cant believe how responsive laptop is now, and i didn't bother using a harddrive i just sacrificed 4gb from my 20gb to create my cache and dam... copying, transferring even opening up large photoshop files is so much quicker...aah man this was a good one
Yup, it's magic lol.
Thanks a Lot. it worked. Subscribed
You are welcome! thanks for subscribing!
This is exactly what I was looking for, thank you
You're welcome
Love this Video, Got A New Subscriber !!!
Thanks!
Thanks. Very helpful for transferring wedding photos and videos. Time saver
No problem. Yes I have to agree
Congrats for your wedding buddy. May you have cute and healthy babies.
Thank you so much you saved my time🙏❤️
No problem!
You're a true legend
Thanks!
This is absolutely awesome, thx mister
No problem
does it support any pc or laptop? and how many gigs would you suggest for cache storage? i am planning to partition my ssd drive where my OS is installed and follow every step you suggested.
Be very careful if you already have your OS on it. Always a good idea to backup everything. Caching is entirely dependent on the user, also doesn't hurt to experiment with a few numbers such as 64GB and see if it works out. It also matters how large your hard drive is that you are trying to speed up. The larger the drive, the larger the cache will help. Yes it works on Windows 10, regardless if it's a PC or Laptop.
@@landpet thank you. you should put up vid for patitioning too
@@piwiee I like the Minitool paritition wizard. Maybe sometime in the future, that's a good idea. I currently have a ton of videos in my queue including other requests.
@@piwiee LOL, I subscribed to your channel. Very good drawings you have. I just saw you doing Naruto doing the Kage Bunshin No Jutsu. There's a whole bunch of other animes that I've seen so I recognize a good amount of it!
@@piwiee I should mention it's dangerous partitioning your C drive. I'll see if I can get it to sooner than later. Since you have a request, let me ask a request. You should draw Gatts from Berserk (something with his huge sword) or Ichigo from Bleach in his bankai form :)
Very substantial and concise! Thanks!
You're welcome!
is it applicable for dying hard drive? i need deeply huhu my hard disk got 6% of health and its very slow to backup my files deymn :(
yeah me too how
It will speed up the hard drives, however it's ideal to leave 10% off your hard drive empty.
Can I ask why you have FREAKING 50 TB OF STORAGE? Do you work at GOOGLE DATABASE?
Lol, I have more than that but the reason is cause UA-cam videos take up a ton of space.
interesting, but Im out of budget XD.
Oh 1 more question, does Samsung m.2 built-in cache works similarly like this? I planned to buy it in future.
For those of us who dont have a spare SSD.. can we partition our exsisting main SSD and use the created partition drive as the dedicated cache?
Yes, I don’t recommend partitioning your c drive but I did recently do a video on how it’s done. Yes any partition will work. Here’s the video: ua-cam.com/video/9iT-a89DvNs/v-deo.html
Btw you can get away with just using RAM (level 1 cache). Obviously level 2 cache helps buts it’s not mandatory.
Oh my goodness it just frekin awesome.
Yup
finally a video I can rely and trust on without any virus
Thanks
Is L1 cache enabled without the use of PrimoCache? Or is it enabled via the software... I feel like that would be super useful to allocate a few GBs of my RAM to L1...
This is a primocache thing. Of course ram does store temporary files to access things quicker without peimocache but it's not used as cache for speeding up writes to spinning hard drives.
@@landpet That alone makes me want to get another stick of RAM :0
Great video!
Thanks!
There is also free alternative for SSD cache ( without RAM cache ) from Intel & AMD.
For intel motherboard it is Intel® Smart Response Technology ( SSD & HDD must be connected using Intel Controller on motherboard ) and in some cases you must choose RAID mode in BIOS instead SATA to see "Performance" tab in ISRT panel.
For AMD motherboards you can use AMD StoreMI - The new version supports only selected motherboards, but it seems to me that the previous version from six months ago works with more motherboards.
That's good to know. Thanks for the tip! Did you see my other response to your comment?
Okay so let me say one thing.. Here we are using SSD for caching.... Well I agree that using SSD for copying increases the transmission speed.. But i want to point out flaw of SSD that u might have ignored is that SSD's have limited Read/Write's and frequently using SSD for caching increases wear and tear of SSD, at last your SSD might die on you at very early age so i suggest you to not use SSD for any copy work.
Sure but they actually last for quite a while so caching it isn’t going to do anything to it. Google SSD MTBF and you will see most of have an MTBF of over 1 million hours which is 114 years (some actually go much more than that). So if it was used consistently nonstop, it would have an average life of over 100 years and there are others that last much longer. What you’re thinking about is flash drives, they have much shorter lives.
Again another great video.
I'm curious as to whether it would help in my situation though.
I have a Synology NAS shared through my house that I use to store and access files for 3D work.
I'm thinking this software would need to run on the NAS itself to have any effect? Or can you see a way this would be useful in a situation like mine?
Again, great content, keep up the great work.
Thanks!
Hmmm, I have synology NAS drives as well but I haven’t tried speeding them up. Running it on the synology is probably not necessary or possible? since you would need local ram or ssd on the synology itself to use to speed up but then again, synology has its own caching software so primocache would be useless here again assuming it can run on it.
Running it on windows and selecting the synology may be an option but I haven’t checked if this is possible. I’ need a few days to play with it but I feel like it’s possible if you do it with the following method.
Map a folder of your synology, I think this will make it appear as one of the drives you can speed up. So this will probably work if you want to give it a try.
@@landpet Thanks mate, appreciate the response as always.
Holy shit thank you so much, saved so much of my time because of your method!
No problem
Would transferring files from an HDD (Cached) to an SSD significantly increase the speed for files that have never been transferred before?"
Thanks for the vid. i have a massive 6TB graveyard drive that is quite slow (average 35mb/s write). the cluster size for the drive is 1024kb. When i try speeding it up with the process from your video, i run into problems where the transfer rate falls all the way to 0mb/s which freezes primocache and causes me to restart my pc. i feel like there’s obviously something i’m doing wrong or missing. would love any feedback, can give you more info if you need !
i think(?) i figured out it’s cause i ran out of write cache space
Yes, that's exactly it. Your cache space must be running out, so you need a larger amount of cache space or reduce the file transfer size until the cache has emptied out.
hi @landpet could i ask .. i want to copy my whole external backup harddisk to my D drive . It was about 1.5TB of data in my external backup harddisk ... how much space do i need for the empty SSD ? it is exactly 1.5TB too for the SSD ?
If you want to do it in one go then yes you would need 1.5TB of cache.
@@landpet omg
Does it work for USB 2.0 and 3.0 transfer speeds
I don't recommend this for external drives
would it be beneficial to have the ram cache(level 1 cache) for nvme drives? Or is NVME drives fast enough to not benefit from level 1 cache?
This is designed to speed up spinning hard drives. I haven’t tried speeding up an nvme cause it’s already fast. Granted RAM is faster than nvme.
Thanks man😍😍❤️
no problem!
Is this trick compatible with any drive? I mean like WD easystore hard drive something like that.
Yes but do remember for external drives you actually need to wait for the cache to empty before unplugging it
so you copy the files to your RAM, but what happens in case of power loss?
not good, should lose the files in cache. Hence it's always best to copy/paste not to cut/paste. Only delete when the cache is emptied out.
Nice tutorial dude but i have a question. Since im going to be using this cache for games i want it to remain even after a reboot (ram is volatile so it would erase all the cached data on it upon power off) so how i can i make sure the cached data is written entirely to the ssd while still using ram to speed up the drive? I hope you got my point xD
No worries! Set the level 1 cache for write only. I show an example at 3:20 but I leave that at 50% where you should change that to write only.
If you have extra RAM and your game doesn't take too much space. It would actually be faster if you used this software called RAMDISK. It reserves your RAM and makes it act like a hard drive, you install directly on this and when you load the games, it is beyond fast. I haven't used this yet but I imagine it reserves some hard drive space to store the ge there as well so after power cycles it will reload the game to RAM since As you know RAM is volatile memory. Here's the link: www.softperfect.com/products/ramdisk/
How much of SSD storage should I have if I want to transfer about 6TB of files with consistent speeds as shown in the video???
Just under 6TB of cache. Or you can use less like 1TB and transfer 1TB at a time
@@landpet Will a 120 GIG SSD suffice?
@@gsrajah9410 sure but you can only do 120GB copying at a time before it slows down. Wait until the cache empties then do another 120GB
oh my god ,this is real . thx you vey much
Thanks!
Thanks brah , 🤜🏾🤛🏾
Thanks for the video. It really works. Is it possible to check " how much data of file shared via LAN cable" from Laptop to laptop? If any method is there I want to know.
There's a tool called wireshark, it tells you a ton of information about your network.
So I have a game storage of 500GB which can move, If I used this program and I delete the program once I moved the files over and it would affect anything ?
Which game is that ?
promochache will reduce the hdd life span ?please reply me
it shouldn't
Does this work when copying files between 2 laptops' ssd drives through network sharing? I wanna copy some games from 1 laptop to the other.
I haven't tried that, maybe if you map the drive on one laptop, it may be possible but I'm not sure.
@@landpet Thanks for the reply! I have a couple of more questions,
- How do I know when the file transfer is actually complete and the cache is emptied? In other words, how do I know when I can unplug the usb?
- I was copying some game files to an external drive and when I looked at the progress bar of the file copy, I saw a pattern. Every once in a while, it drops to 0 bytes/s, and then it stays there for a while. After that, it shoots back up at around 300-600mb/s. It never goes up above 1gb. Also I was using L1 (RAM) only and not using L2 (SSD). How can I speed up the transfer and why does it do this pattern? Here is the link of the image of the progress bar: imgur.com/a/cwfjG9Q
Edit: I forgot to mention that I have 8gb of ram and allocated around 5gb for the file transfer.
Check primo cache to see when the deferred blocks are completed. I believe that’s too little ram for your laptop. If you reserve 5GB, that leaves 3GB which is not really enough for windows. Try reserving 2GB or 3GB and test that out. At the end of the day, I don’t think you have enough resources, your run out of cache which is why it goes to 0
What if we make a 50GB partition from current ssd, will it be fast through out if we transfer data of 300GB, or it will get slower after 50GB?
It will get slower a little over 50GB
Will it speed up the speed of launching games and on booting e.t.c??
Should help with game launching speeds assuming you launch that game often so it gets cached. It will not help with bootup. If you want bootup speeds improved, you need to use the SSD as your main drive
Do you actually lose all the storage space of the cached ssd, did I get it right? In your video, you used 1Tb of ssd as cache, so since the drive cannot be seen on the list of drives, than it's gone? I thought that it might be merged with the storage HDD
Yes, you lose the amount you choose to create the level 2 cache. You can always partition the SSD and cache a smaller amount as well. Think of it like a temporary storage where files are written to it quickly then emptied out to go to the intended place. It's essentially only used for speed.
@@landpet thanks for the clarification! Do you think 256gb is too much to lose in storage to improve loading times?
If your caching it for a large drive, then 256GB seems fine to me. It really depends what file sizes you typically copy and how big the drive your caching for. If your caching for a drive that's 8TB or something like that, then yes I think 256GB is a good number. If you're caching for a drive that's 1TB, then maybe 256GB is too much, maybe 128GB for that would be enough.
@@landpet I have 2TB hdd with samsung 250gb ssd
How much for this hdd is enough you think?
And if the power loss in middle of copying data then you mean the all of data of caching device is cleared from system or just the data wants to copy is being deleted?
@@landpet I think our friends ask that the amount of ssd is cached cant be usable.I thought he says that when writing it can be loss
I'm sorry but how is this helpful for transferring data from one laptop to one 3.0 SSD?
Do I have to buy a second to act as "Hyper Speed Drive" to transfer files faster?
I don't recommend this for transferring files to external drives
@@landpet What would you recommend for transferring files from a laptop (ASUS ROG GL702) to SSD USB 3.0?
It is very sad to see the "copy" process starts very fast 100's MB/s only to watch it drop to single digit
Will this effect my rams performance when playing games?
If you’re using ram as cache, then that would be reserved so you would have less available. Depending on how much ram your game needs, there may be a performance hit. If your game is installed on this drive you are trying to speed up, then if you have read cache setup and you load the game often, there may be a boost in performance for your game but do keep in mind that now you have less ram available so it may offset any boost
how about I want to transfer 2.5TB from 1 external HDD to another 1 external HDD using a laptop with built in NVME SSD. Will this work?
If you use the NVMe SSD as cache then it will slow down after the cache has been filled
Thanks it works
Glad to hear it
I'm looking to build a pc that can play 4k videos and 4k youtube. I'm also going to use it as a NAS starting with 4, 8TB hard drives in parity mode using Storage Spaces. Will this work with file transfers and streaming 4k content over my network as well? Thanks for the video.
Yes, it helps out in those situations. However two things to note:
1. I would advise against doing parity using Storage Spaces. I actually have videos on how to do this but one person commented saying that there was an issue with the latest version of Windows only for parity mode (I researched and confirmed that there was indeed a problem), since then I have since changed my setup and am using TrueNAS. This Windows version update caused parity storage spaces to stop working and nothing could be done, so maybe look at a mirror or getting a dedicated Synology for that.
2. Another thing worth mentioning as well, the speed of your network will be the bottleneck, so my local area network is gigabit, so my transfers are capped at around 120MB/s, with or without this SSD cache using PrimoCache even though locally on the machine I can copy at around 1.2GB/s.
Other than those two things, this procedure really speeds up stuff.
@@landpet I have gigabit as well. which is pleanty for my needs, as long as I can stream 4k content to devices I'll be happy. That is unfortunate about Storage Spaces. I want to be able to use it as a PC and a NAS. Will TrueNAS still allow me to have it as dual purpose? Running win10 and a NAS? I'm trying to avoid buying an expensive dedicated NAS and a separate PC.
@@mcduvall2000 I don't think TrueNAS will play nicely, it's really designed to be by itself. You may have to go the mirror router on storage spaces, I haven't heard of any issues for those, granted you will lose more spaces compared to parity.
So does the remainder of the background process take just as long as a normal transfer? I guess that's really the question.
Pretty much
@@landpet so in the end is the total time it takes to transfer X amount of GB less or the same?
I haven't checked but it should be the same
@@landpet Then in the end it doesn't appear that anything is actually speeding up. It's just hiding a portion of the process?
@@MrClockw3rk It is sped up because the files are all usable once the fast transfer has completed, it just then copies it in the background while you're doing other stuff. There is a physical limitation on the hard drive that software can't fix, this offsets that.
When u use the SSD as cache, it will lost its files and the SSD wont show up right?
What about the drive you will speed up? Will it also be reformatted or lose its contents before you can use it?
Ty
Yes, when you create a cache SSD, everything gets deleted and it no longer shows up. Nothing happens to the drive being sped up, I always recommend having backups.
@@landpet sir, if i only have 13G SSD partition, will it be enough to speed up my transfer? upon checking my THIS PC, there's a 13G SSD partition drive with nothing in it.. i dont know what it's for so im planning to use it as cache. will it be enough for light transfers? ty
@@francisharveyrodulfo1601 Yes it will definitely help with light transfers.
Great Thanks !!!
No problem
That's great. Will it speed up my computer performance and not just copy/move files and folders?
This will only help your transfer speeds. If you want to speed up your computer, one thing you can do is install your OS on an SSD. You can even partition a part of that SSD and do this as well to increase transfer speeds to other spinning hard drives.
@@landpet but I think it speeds up loading of games and apps and make the startup of windows faster like ssd?
And I have one big question too
My transfer rate in windows when copying forexample 2 gb of rar file to other local disk is like 120 mb/s and it is decreasing after some seconds and that is not like 1.2gb?
It is like that just when you copy file from your drive e to drive c and then the nedt time it is like 1.2gb
For me like this
And I should say I choose my whole hdd for caching with ssd and I config like that you but my total write like 10 mb and very low and I dont get good speed and I think it is like hdd speed
My ssd is samsung evo 860 250gb
So at the moment i just got my very budget pc couple weeks ago. Currently it has 256gb 3,5 ssd for the OS and only 250gigs hdd for the normal file storage (i used my old hdd from one of my oldest pc, don't jugde lol). My PC has 16 gigs of ram, and at the moment i just ordered 128gigs nvme and 1tb hdd.
My plan is to use the 128 gigs as the SSD cache for the 1tb hdd. If i'm not mistaken, the first caching will use RAM first then SSD. My question is, can i just use SSD for the cache so it won't take the ram space? Thanks!
Yes you don't have to use L1 cache which is from RAM, you just use L2 cache which just uses the SSD, it will be fast transfers but not as fast as if you use RAM.
So I have been enjoying using this for a hard disk drive but trying to use it for an SSD and it only works about every 2 minutes and then slows down. Trying to transfer a terabyte quickly.
you have to have enough cache to support the entire file otherwise it will fill up and slow down.
@@landpet wow that makes a lot of sense So I guess it would be best to transfer one video at a time instead of all of them at once. Kind of defeats the purpose though I just turned the cake off for the drive where I am doing transfers too. It was a SSD anyways
Can we use it with RAM only? No SSD or partition.
Yes
@@landpet Thanks. I forgot to mention that I got the answer from your video that has the FAQ.
@@AliRachid nice
can you use this tutorial with a SATA III SSD drive?
Sure, but keep in mind whatever you use, the speeds can only go as fast as the SSD or RAM you are using during the caching process.
If I restarted my computer completely would everything go back to normal?
Restarting your computer doesn’t change anything other than if you have L1 cache that’s not empty then you can lose data so make sure your cache is empty
Hi! Thank you for the video :) I follow the steps but it does not work. I reserve 114 GB on partitioned ssd and 24 Gb of RAM but still get slow speeds (56 mb/s on paried storage Pool) When i set to "mirror" on storage i can get 180 mb/s. I am using Samsung EVO 860. Is there anything else i can try?
Thanks again!
Did you enable the delayed write?
Thanks Man!!!
No problem!
Primocache is awesome. However, putting SSD as a writing cache is a very risky step as it will simply kill the SSD due to overuse.
It will work awesomely if it was reading cache.
RAM writing cache for 1GB is more than enough for any HDD.
SSDs can handle lots of writes/reads. Flash drives and some other media cannot. Feel free to google it.
Pls use the zoom in feature of your editing software to highlight the commands/names of files. It is impossible to read them on the phone screen.
I have started doing that with my newer videos. Thanks for the heads up
hi, it primocache helping if i wanna backup my data from desktop to external drive (nvme m.2 SSD)? Backup size approximately 50-100GB
I don’t recommend it for external drive.
what does "warning: all data on the following volume will be lost, and the format process cannot be cancelled!" mean? does it mean that all files in the hard drive will be gone?
TLDR: Do not erase any data. Only erase an already empty SSD when converting it to your L2 cache. Please watch the entire video without skipping anything as every step is important.
Yes, that's exactly what it means. Do not erase the drive you are trying to speed up. You only want to change the empty (keyword: empty) SSD that will be converted into L2 cache, that's the only thing that should be erased assuming that's what you're trying to do. Once the SSD becomes the L2 cache, it will help speed up your hard drive with the data you don't want to delete.
so i have to turn the cache if i want to work on Premiere Pro?
When is l1 cache used? I know it is the ram but when is it used? While playing games or when copying files?
It depends, are games loaded on the hard drive that is being cached? If so, it can help with some of that by using the RAM but if you're trying to do that, you can use a dedicated method with this other software called Soft Perfect RAM Disk. I would say it's more consistently used for copying files.
@@landpet Thanks for replying.i have 1 more question.i did the same as in the video and put 5 gb ram but when copying from ssd to hdd it doesnt used my ram in the process.Why is that?
@@sultanqat1996 It should use that first, are you copying files larger than 5GB? or are you copying really small files and it's finishing quickly? You have that time delay set to 10seconds or greater?
This method biggest downside is that the device needs to be turned on until the whole process reaches 0 in that primocache software. Only then we can close the device
Yes, this thing is more designed for internal devices so you won't have to worry too much about it. Just leave the computer on and it does things in the background
5:06 on the note below, if I use L2 only cache, can I shutdown my system right after windows copying is completed without file loss?
I’m theory you can but I don’t recommend it.
Bro while i am extracting files,its very slow and 100% disk usage then i can't able copy any single file due the speed...
So how do I know when it’s fully done caching? So I don’t make a mistake and turn my pc off thinking it’s done? Also all I’m trying to do is transfer my game files to my 16tb hdd but have it be faster cuz it’s slooooooooow as hell then back it up in cloud can this make my transfer speed faster from my ssd to my hdd?
Primocache app shows the status of the cache, just wait until it's empty.
Good day sir...i bought a samsung 860 evo 1tb ssd and put it on an orico 3.0 enclosure for external usage and im just getting simetimes 2mb/s mostly 56mb/s and rarely 79mb/s at top speed when transffering files to the ssd...i am worried that i might have a defective ssd or something...is that normal for converted ssd's..?thank you sir...
Are you using a USB 2.0 port or USB 2.0 cable? If so, then yes it's normal. Verify you're using USB 3.0 or USB 3.1 cables and ports and it should speed up.
@@landpet i am using a 3.0 cable,port and ssd case...i am worried that i might have a fake samsung product.and also samsung magician program says that the ssd is not supported.
@@shinobidesu5560 It might be, it should be faster than that.
@@landpet thank you sir for replying on my queries...i really appreciate it...
Can I use my main memory (SSD) and partition it to do the rest?? coz my ssd is transfering files very slow
You can use a partition of an SSD
It seems like it isn't real, if you unplug the drive, wilm the files be corrupted? This makes it look like it transferred faster, but if the file isn't physically (i guess physically is the better term for this application) in the drive, then it can't be claimed a faster write speed because the files aren't done writing.
I don't recommend this for external drives since as you mentioned, if you unplug the device, the files will be corrupted until the cache is emptied out.
is this safe to use primicache on ssd. are there any issues on ssd
Yes it's fine to use it on SSD (assuming your data is backed up). An average life (MTBF) of an SSD is well over a 100 years.
Great video . am getting message Kernel component is not running! if you haven't restarted the computer since installation, you shall restart it. but I have restarted it but still the same message. Help.
Thanks! not sure why you're getting that message, I haven't seen anything like that. Assuming you followed everything here and it's not working, it's probably best you ask PrimoCache directly.
@@landpet thanks i got it sorted when i paid for the full version. I followed your video but am only getting about 150mbs speed with 100gb ssd and Exos drives. Am i doing something wrong.
will this ruin the SSD Life span??
For most people, it won't, SSDs are designed to last a very long time and have a good amount of TBW (the lower end SSDs can support an average of 200TBs of data written with some having much more like the Samsung 980 Pro having around 1200TBW rating) so chances are it will be fine unless you write many terabytes of data quite often.
is this applicable from hdd to hdd ?my files is in hard disk drive then copy my hdd to another hdd is it okay? or need ssd?
This speeds up all transfers (assuming the hard your copying to is being cached via RAM (Level 1) and/or SSD (Level 2) Cached). However I will say this, it will definitely be faster but it probably wont be as fast as the demo I showed because I'm copying the files from an NVMe SSD drive to the Hard drive (that is using a RAM and/or SSD cache). So it's going from fast to fast. If you go from HDD to HDD (Cached), then you're going from slow to fast, while it will be faster than normal, it won't be as fast as the demo I showed. Unless both the HDD's are using the RAM and/or SSD's caching mechanisms.
Is it work for 1gb ssd drive set for cache.
To sharing speed 1gb?
if i had this program on a pc i use just for network storage, will it speed up how fast i can copy to that pc from a different pc over a home network
Technically it can as long as you have enough cache but I don’t recommend this for network drives in case something is disconnected before the cache is empty.
Whether you use this or not doesn't matter. The time it takes for your storage to transfer stays the same. Transfer speeds are limited by your storage devices. PrimoCache does not increase these speeds but rather puts the data you want to use in your memory or ssd and then cycles it out to the hard drive. It might SEEM like you have increased speeds but you don't really.
The only advantage of using this program is that you can manipulate data while it is being transferred. Whether you can only play media files like shown in this video or also for example extract files from an archive while it's transferring I don't know.
Also understand transfer speeds in your case will also depend on the bandwidth available on your network at the time of transfer. Not that this matters when using PrimoCache because again, it doesn't actually transfer data faster than normal.
can i unplug the usb while the computer is still transfering the files?
you will lose your data if you do that
does this work for file sharing from pc to pc over network
Not really, you will be limited by the network speeds.
do I need 3 storage to transfer faster?
How much size do i need for empty SSD? In your video your SSD size is around 900GB, is 20 or 75 GB empty SSD are enough?
Any size is fine, the magic number is how big are the files you copy over? How often do you use files from that drive? The SSD is used to cache files you copy and caches the read you do to read stuff faster. The more space you dedicate, the larger files you can copy without a slowdown and the more files will be cached meaning you can access files quicker. You can start with 20GB, if that's enough then you're good. Meaning you don't copy large files too often and you're reading certain files much more than others. With that said, what I used is much more than what most people need. I think 75GB should satisfy most people.
hold on. do i need an empty ssd? i cant use c-drive right?
Yes it needs to be empty. Don’t use anything that has data on it, otherwise you will lose that data. C drive is not good.
if you still reply to comments then i got a question. so do you need to set a level 2 drive? because I'm confused which drive is supposed to be the level 2. and if you make a level 2 drive how do you undo it.
You don't need a level 2 cache. You could get away with just level 1. Someone else asked about this as well, I could probably make a video on this
So, what happens if you do this, and user turns off his PC without knowing that the writing from the cache device to the hard drive is not done yet? Will he lose his data?
Depends, it will be cleared from the RAM (L1 Cache). But if you're copying it, you have it in the original place. If you're cutting/pasting it, you may lose it if any part of it was in RAM (L1 Cache)
Nice video, and very interesting. Now because of the way things are transferring, if you were to now delete your original source, I would assume you are taking a risk that the rest of the transfer goes off without any interruption / corruptions?
In theory if it's cached, then it should be ok to delete it cause it it fully copied on the L1 cache (don't restart) or L2 cache. But its better to check when the cache is empty meaning it's fully copied.
@@landpet Hey Man, thanks for making this video.
Could you advise me, I'm upgrading my Laptop that's a couple years old now. I'm going to swap my 1tb HDD for 500gb SSD and put my HDD in the secondary slot. Ram is 8Gb
Should I be using Primocache?
50gb SSD as L2 and 1gb Ram L1?
The HDD transfer speed would be a real pain otherwise.
Depending upon use case, it might be better to install the Operating System on SSD and store everyday files in SSD as well. Using HDD to only store large old files or rarely used files might put less pressure on slow HDD and the overall system as well as the system doesn't have to frequently get slowed down waiting for HDD to complete it's tasks. Certainly it would benefit further by use of cache(s).