This story actually has a lot of potential and depth yet Square somehow managed to only narrate like ...10% of it in the games... Nice video & explanation!
"Man, the gods in this place are all assholes" that's Egyptian, Greek/Roman and Norse mythology at least in a nutshell. This may be confusing and ridiculous, but really any story about gods kinda are.
gods usually (Bhulniverse is good example) are usually presented as beings human cannot fully comprehend. It's not they are evil, they simply have completely different mindset from ours, like Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen.
And had some hints of Gnostic knowledge, Bhunivelze is basically the Gnostic Demiurge, and our elite see themselves as the Fal'cie and the rest us are nothing more than Etro's offsprings ment to be slaves of the fal'cies. This is how most religions work, "we must please the gods".
Polytheisic mythology is always interesting, but also tends to have several assholes whose dickery can't be ignored because they're also fairly important in their respective pantheons. In some mythologies humans are just suffering the side effects of gods arguing, as so long as we continue worhsiping they don't give much of a shit about mortal affairs (as far as I know the Egyptian gods didn't really interfere much unless one of the others did something first if you don't count the fact that supposedly every branch of their royal family was descended from the Sun God's grandson after said god was forced to abdicate because his daughter in law wanted her son to be the crown prince) but in others like the Greek as you mentioned, the gods got bored easily and loved to use humans as playthings to kill time, or vent sexual frustration, despite already having spouses.
This plot is interesting, however it has one huge problem. None of this is communicated well in the games. I did not know about this stuff when playing the games. Granted I didn't read the codex.
@@stopler Honestly, There Is One Major thing I that also don't like in this game: is the forced Crystal stasis and Ci'the transformation as the only options a Focus Branded person has. I know that it's meant to be a no Win situation for the characters, but it's also a handicap on the Writers and forces "Deus Ex Machina" story inserts/injections to try and save said characters! It forces Storytellers to shoot themselves in the foot.
@@danielramsey6141 Yes being branded as l'cie is a no win-win situation. Completing l'cie focus will only lead to their crystal stasis and wait for another call. Failing l'cie focus will ended up to become a fiend. IMO I preferred Type-0 version of l'cie rather than XIII version. I really liked Fabula Nova mythos it's so interesting and good, the only problem for me is the execution was done really bad.
So basically..... A guy imprisons his mother because he's power hungry, then because he believes she's a threat to his world he tries to break into her prison to kill her. The people he created to help him do that created people to assist them. These people feel neglected by their makers so they decide to try and destroy the world. All the while the person who was imprisoned and believed to be a threat to the world was actually dead and never a threat to begin with.
I've got to say, I really love the mythology in the XIII series. One lonely and boring night I was scrolling through the FF Wiki and came across a descriptive summary of the mythos and could NOT stop reading the whole thing. As I kept reading, my mind was being blown open wide because it felt as if though I discovered a hidden secret. Playing through the first XIII game, I knew almost NOTHING about why things were the way they were (thanks to the game creators stuffing everything into the Datalog that literally no one ever reads instead of explaining everything during gameplay), but with the newfound knowledge now in my brain, I finally summoned up the courage and beat the first game. Then of course I went on to beat XIII-2 and LR, and I really did feel a huge amount of satisfaction with the way the trilogy ended. I thought it was so amazing that the "new world" that Bhunivelze created was our own planet we live on called Earth (side note: screw the one producer who said that it wasn't Earth and just a similar planet... like gurl, it's Earth. You really trying to DAMPEN the impact of the end revelation?) Oh, and also wonderful job on the video! Hopefully it'll change people's opinions about the XIII series.
ARMOR15 Pfft, it won’t. Even with an interesting mythos, you gotta have a good story to go along with it. Also, the mythos was NOT executed well in the games. They barely brought anything about it up.
I love this trilogy, the story is actually awesome. It's so layered and deep, what you covered here was only the Gods. There's the falcie that tried to rebel, there's the humans stories, across a whole timeline. I remember when the sequels to XIII came out, everyone was really confused, especially by LR because the games were not popular. Somebody at Square Enix managed to convince the company to tell the whole story and that is awesome
Honestly, I hope they just chuck FNC right into the garbage and think of something better. All these special l'cie this or fal'cie that... HOW tf do you pronouce this?? Just call them gods. It's impossible to acutally enjoy FNC becase the lore is so ever baked with layers of jargon. If you're an author and you go make a story: just use words that people already understand. If you're making a story about wizards, they use wands. Don't go off calling their sticks "etno-channelrs" or "mytheria-rods". WANDS: speak english. FNC is such a headache.
5:45-Hold on a sec, I thought the reason why the Fal’cie wanted to destroy both worlds is because after the Maker left, the humans forgot the order imposed by him and they began killing one another. The Fal’cie thought that if they destroy both Cocoon and Pulse, the Maker will come back and restore order to the world.
@@pinhead8030 close enough. I was more leaning towards the “the humans screwed up an assignment so we have to call our boss back home in order to fix everything” move
This lore always impressed me! Honestly is a shame they didn't really bring up too much in the games and cut 15 out of it. The previous kings being Fal'Cie is really interesting, especially since Lucis observes Etro as a patron deity and she never made Fal'Cie. I feel it could be such a cool plot point
Huh, I guess I understood fabula nova crystalis better than I thought. I really thought I was almost clueless on FNC, but when I watched this video, I learned "huh", that's actually all there is to it.
Thanks for explaining the Lore of this game series. I really found it confusing, which is odd cause I can usually REALLY get into Lore of any medium from video games to books. But the FF13 games were a very bizarre experience for me.
+Dean Weiss I really never understood why people hated ff 13 so bad it was a good game if. you love the ff series you gotta give every single game some love. #LightingBestwaifu
Dean Weiss a lot of those people didnt even play and just base there opinions off other peoples without knowing anything. Bandwagoners are kinda annoying
This is a great video because I've been confused on the whole fal'ce or however you spell it thing for a long time but no videos I've found explain the whole lore good enough.
I rarely favourite videos but I did with this one for sure. Well made, funny at the right times, and the animation was super cute and actually helped retain which characters fit to the plot.
Really? Lightning became the one remaining God? Didnt play titles after 10 but thats an Pretty outstanding Career. I mean not a single other FF Protagonist became even Supernatural or immortal aside of her.
I can't believe I didn't see this sooner. This is awesome. I did play those games, but I feel just like I know nothing. Also, great ending about checking the story at your local library. Great job, i don't understand why there aren't way more views on this.
As much, as I wish such a kind meta-concepts came to life, I had to conclude, the realization is one heap on dung after another, until they all combined becomes an EVEREST OF SCENARIO FECES.
Everything makes more sense now thank you XIII was far to confusing and got rather complicated. I did like XIII-2 the best out of the 3 games but a do have a thing for Caius that voice oh my lol
Okay to be fair to the people who hate Etro: She DID half-ass the whole 'giving humans sentience' thing and in filling the first human with the power of chaos she kicked off an endless cycle of reincarnation, but also gave her literal godlike powers which being a human she CAN'T HANDLE so whenever she uses them, which she CAN'T CONTROL, her life gets shorter and shorter to the point that each incarnation of this seer dies VERY young. And when Etro realizes "Oops, that was a bad idea, I can't actually fix that," she instead takes ONE guy, makes HIM immortal, tasks him with being the seer's guardian and instills him with a lot of loyalty to that seer, which is kind of fucked up because as I may have mentioned, she keeps DYING BEFORE SHE TURNS 25! Then in an added effort to save her own ass, she rips Lightning out of the timeline, setting off a sequence of events so convoluted that it literally ends up destroying the actual concept of time itself. So, Etro has an issue or twenty.
Unfortunately, most lore and answers that were not explained in FFXIII and Type-0 were SUPPOSED to be answered in Versus XIII and the fourth epic game cross over, but since square decided to scrap FNC it is now an incomplete mess. No matter what I will still b bitter on the fact that we lost Versus XIII!! But at least the original director is bringing it back(?) in Verum Rex. I can't wait!!!
The original plan was to use one mythology in the different 3 games but it was never intended that mythology will be explain in later games. Type-0 is using the same mythology but the lore is completely different from XIII. And most of the lore in XIII was later explained in sequels.
Andres Marrero They do that with every story there is a divine being. I mean, don’t get me wrong. It’s fine if they do that once or twice, but not all the time. It gets boring and predictable.
Thanks for the explanation. It’s -almost- like this whole idea was a really poorly thought out marketing ploy that they kept having to double down on as everything kept getting more and more convoluted.
NoctisIRL Lets be real: this is the result of a company trying to capitalize on a franchise idea, rather than to either tell an interconnected story or create great games. The whole FNC is what I mean by a marketing ploy.
nice work but the title makes it sound as though the whole series is based on the nove crystallis legend when it isn't. Objects known as crystals enable those who bear them to summon powerful beings. Kingdoms waged wars over such crystals and there you go.
Holy convoluted plot foolishness, and most of this is never clearly explained in the game so you spend 90% of the game confused about what's happening and why you're doing what you're doing.
@@creamncheese7761 This, I legit played through the first game, no idea who Lindzei pr Bhunivelze were and heard the name Etro but had no idea ot was actually something important. It's wild how much they didn't explain that is literally central to understanding the main plot. It's like if you played FFX and didn't ever say the name Yu Yevon, never told us what Aeons and Fayth were and only mentioned the Farplane in passing. We'd be at the final boss like, WTF is even happening right now?
this is like my fifth or sixth rewatch of this great video... four mistakes or possibly just oversights i noticed this time round were that the datalog in XIII1 says that Lindzei was ALSO tasked with searching for the gate which explains why they created Cocoon over Gran Pulse and set Gala up in Orience; that BOTH Lindzei and Pulse are considered "the Maker" and who the title refers to depends on whether the person saying it is aligned with Pulse or Lindzei, basically; that the first l'Cie were actually almost certainly Yeul's Guardians on Gran Pulse, who existed thousands of years before Cocoon was even a thing; and lastly, that Ragnarök (Fang+Vanille) saved Cocoon by fulfilling their self assigned Focus (to save Cocoon, paradoxically), which turned both themselves and the material they surrounded Cocoon with into crystal (not ice) almost instantaneously. Edit: thinking about this some more, i would not be surprised if the reason Lindzei created humanity in the first place was as a tool to open the gateway to the Unseen.
as another note, this video could really use some more explanation of the FNC's theory of self; that it's composed of three parts: body (karada), soul (tamashii), and heart (kokoro), the latter of which was mistranslated as "spirit" and led to the english translation of Lightning Returns making very little sense in some places. This is all explained in depth in this tumblr post: hikamitz.tumblr.com/post/111425210884/correcting-the-biggest-translation-error-in-the/ Fal'Cie and deities, except for possibly Etro, all lack a heart, as the heart is made from Chaos. Bhunivelze can manipulate souls (it's how he does all that shit to Hope), but the reason he can't resurrect Serah is because the heart is what gives someone their individuality/personality and will, and Bhunivelze cannot control the Chaos, which is tied to the bonds of love people have for one another. This is, also, why the "powerless" Etro could manipulate the Chaos to give humans hearts and allow their souls to reincarnate by surrounding them in Chaos and drawing that Chaos into new bodies in the Mortal Realm. Etro herself is also a good example of this split. Her body (specifically, her blood) was used to make humanity, while her heart* became the potent force allowing the guardian of Paddra Nsu Yeul to protect her across lifetimes, and her soul likely became the Crystal of Eos depicted in FFXV which grants the Lucis Caelum Dynasty their power. * While the above post states that the word for physical heart, shinzou, not the Chaos heart, kokoro, is used for Etro's Heart of Chaos, i am still personally inclined to believe that it is analogous to the human heart since it is the only part of any deity (prior to Lightning & Yeul at the end of LR) that has ties to the Chaos and she is the only deity (again, prior to LR) capable of perceiving the Chaos with the possible exception of Mwynn. Also, while the post states that in japanese tradition, the kokoro would be located int he abdomen, not the chest, in the FNC the kokoro (Chaos heart) is located in the chest/shinzou as shown multiple times throughout FFXIII3, so...
honestly, KH is probably a bit more complicated just because of the time travel in a single timeline, great explanation tho, laughed my ass off and learned alot about the Fabula Nova mythos
You do realize that KH has strict rules regarding the time travel, such as having to leave your body behind and only going to where your past self was.
Personally I like very complicated lores, like the ones from Evangelion or Bioshock Infinite. But man, the games really did the wonderfull job of not telling you anything. Playing a game so rich and so dense must be an achievement. The only time that FFXIII tells you about this is when you will fight against Cid, and he barely gives you info. The other info is scattered in the datalag. And a big part of it you only get it after doing sidequests. This is evidence that you need a good way of telling a story, not only a good story.
Yeah bro, just finished _Type-0_ and I like this whole mythos even more, but the damn game only gives vague answers. Like the real name of Gala. The game doesnt tell you, you need supplementary material.
Really cool video. I actually took time to read all the analects on all the XIII games when I played them and read some stuff on the FFWiki too... I really enjoyed the story tbh
there are quite a few mistakes here with wrong information but overall good job. for one bhunivelze awakens in FF 13. not 13-2, you see his crystal as a easter egg in the ending.
good video! you really did some research on this topic! =D I didn't even know type 0 was this closely connected to the Mythos! always though well that's one of those another dimension type thingy and so on
Did you do a video about how that coliseum in 13-2 works and the history behind it.If not then would you please make one when you have enough time?I enjoy your videos and think you narrate them pretty well.Thanks for explaining the FNC lore in a more understandable way.
you know how in type 0 the black turtle peristlium got there Chrystal stolen by the empire and shit like in the next cycle there where no Chrystal ? yeah you cant possibly tell me that in final fantasy 15 the Chrystal is not the same one then from type 0 idk what they did with the other chrystals but i´m pretty sure they placed them in new worlds
I never understood Yeul's connection with the unseen chaos, can someone explain this to me? I remember that her soul was splintered too many times that it overflowed or somethng
All I know is she was born with the eyes of etro and that with it come's with a price. For every vision you get, you loose a part of your life. When she dies, Etro sends her back to be reborn again with the same soul but different body hence different personalities. I don't know about her soul being splintered and overflowed but I do remember that there were countless Yeuls who died and served as keeper of the Chaos along with Caius while the Yeul that Noel liked stayed with him. Her theme music was so fucking sad. Anymore questions??
Believe it was something like a bunch of Yeuls dying and becoming a large infusion of Chaos (that temple in Lightning Returns after you find the white chocobo). There was also a difference of opinion between the Yeuls about killing Caius/saving him that made things worse. Think that's the gist of it
Bhunivelze didnt really want to kill all beings. He just wanted to rule everything. His only fault is making etro the goddess of death and rebirth. He needs to kill both mwynn and etro but it would practically end the existing universe. So he tried to create a new one. But he cannot see the souls of humans and without it, the new universe he will create will be populated with lifeless dolls. So he needed lightning to save these souls, just like etro has been doing. That's how i see it But what surprised me is that etro of ff13 got fed up by agito pulse and lindsey. Does it mean that the etro lindsey pulse and bhunivelze from agito are the same entities in ff13? I thought the ganes just share the same "backstory" but not necessarily same gods all along
'The rest of this story can be found in your local library under 'human history'' I don't recall leaning about the differences between l'Cies in history
a version of this updated with FFXV information and speculating how it ties into FNC would be really cool (e.g. are the Astrals actually Etro's eidolons? is sthe Starscourge connected to the Chaos of Valhalla? etc)
If Starscourge is indeed the chaos of Valhalla as you said, wouldn't that make Ardyn theoretically as powerful as the Unseen side and Noctis more powerful than him? Bahamut probably being Bhunivelze level
Really? Xiii-2 had weird time travelling Honestly I liked xiii bc of the adventures of the protagonist but also (important!) The visual design of everything
I'm almost done with ff13 and I have no idea wtf is goin on so I had to look this up. This is at least more coherent than the kingdom hearts convoluted shitshow of a story lol
Oh great, another person who claims to not get the KH storyline, just a question, did you only play the original games and not the Final Mix’s, because those ones make things more clear.
I think you just missed a little thing: when all went to shit and chaos flooded people went to Nova Crystallia and didn’t aged and no one was born for 500 YEARS. The lightning arrived in the final 13 days of the world as the savior
Thanks for the summary man.. I actually got so annoyed about half way through lightning returns, that I never even bothered to even look up how the story fit together.
I would love to see cool, in-depth stories/lore like this in the next FF's. I think it would also be cool if they made more FF's connected to this world and give more lore about the world. Maybe we'll see more in Type Next or a FFXV sequel or something, if that ever happens.
Great video man! Can you answer me a particular question? I see some people saying that Bhunivelze's new world is just a single planet, you say in your video at 11:00 that the new world is actually a whole universe. I believe that the new world is a universe too, since the term "mortal world" exists before Bhunivelze kills Mwynn, showing that "world" is referring to the universe since not even pulse, etro and lindzei where created at this point, let alone gran pulse and the humans. Still, where i can find a more clear answer to this? Showing that Bhunivelze's new world is a universe and not a single planet?
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Thanks so much , I finally have a grasp on the nova crystalis series ... And I became even more certain that it's a mess from story writing ... I mean I used to think Kingdom Hearts was convoluted , but this is on a whole other level
XV: TOTALLY NOT RELATED XD No literally, XV's story has no conections to this except for the image of Etro. And im pretty sure the logo is of Lunafreya, i mean... Or Noctis falls in love with a dead creature thats TOTALLY NOT A FAL'CIE...
Great video. One thing though... Lindzei is male. His gender is never stated in the Japanese version but in the English version of LR he is referred as male by Fang during her quest, also the murals discovered during said quest describe him in a male form.
Dean Weiss Thx for replying, I love your videos. I guess you are right, the trilogy and Type never really tell us much about Lindzei, hell the only time we see it/him/her is as a freaking scythe lol.
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Also Lightning became a Louis Vuitton model after slaying god.
Is it strange that This is the most accurate part of her existence on that new earth?
Slayer becomes the slaaaaaayer
Yeah, and by the way, ETRO is the name of another niche fashion brand about the same price segment as LV 🙈
This story actually has a lot of potential and depth yet Square somehow managed to only narrate like ...10% of it in the games...
Nice video & explanation!
What are the depths there? I only see some Ancient Greek mythology-like names plus some teenage/anime protag BS
"And people say the Kingdom Hearts story is complicated." Nomura heard you and just decided to add Versus XIII to Kingdom Hearts.
Nah, Kingdom hearts story is not that complicated if you managed to played all the games.
Bruh.
KH have story? It's just a cluster fuck
It does but the games was released weirdly, Like Recoded being released after 358/2 days. >_>
YOU'RE NOT EVEN KIDDING! THAT'S WHAT YOZORA IS!
Yep Lightning Returns the game where the plot can be summed up as: "Lightning has a job interview"
"Man, the gods in this place are all assholes" that's Egyptian, Greek/Roman and Norse mythology at least in a nutshell. This may be confusing and ridiculous, but really any story about gods kinda are.
I agree, Fabula Nova Crystallis is a great analogy of human mythology and religions through and through.
gods usually (Bhulniverse is good example) are usually presented as beings human cannot fully comprehend. It's not they are evil, they simply have completely different mindset from ours, like Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen.
And had some hints of Gnostic knowledge, Bhunivelze is basically the Gnostic Demiurge, and our elite see themselves as the Fal'cie and the rest us are nothing more than Etro's offsprings ment to be slaves of the fal'cies. This is how most religions work, "we must please the gods".
Polytheisic mythology is always interesting, but also tends to have several assholes whose dickery can't be ignored because they're also fairly important in their respective pantheons. In some mythologies humans are just suffering the side effects of gods arguing, as so long as we continue worhsiping they don't give much of a shit about mortal affairs (as far as I know the Egyptian gods didn't really interfere much unless one of the others did something first if you don't count the fact that supposedly every branch of their royal family was descended from the Sun God's grandson after said god was forced to abdicate because his daughter in law wanted her son to be the crown prince) but in others like the Greek as you mentioned, the gods got bored easily and loved to use humans as playthings to kill time, or vent sexual frustration, despite already having spouses.
@@Pduarte79 Actually he's Lucifer or Satanael, not really the Demiurge, his mom is tecnically the one that created everything and the Top God
The Best explanation of Fabula Nova Crystallis. Thumb Up for you. Great work man.
This plot is interesting, however it has one huge problem. None of this is communicated well in the games.
I did not know about this stuff when playing the games. Granted I didn't read the codex.
Even if you did read the Codex, I doubt any of this actually mentioned. And if it was, it's probably Vague as all Hell!
it's mentioned. it's just that they wrote it in a way to not make it seem expository.
Their Lore and concepts are really good but the story execution was done very bad IMO.
@@stopler
Honestly, There Is One Major thing I that also don't like in this game: is the forced Crystal stasis and Ci'the transformation as the only options a Focus Branded person has. I know that it's meant to be a no Win situation for the characters, but it's also a handicap on the Writers and forces "Deus Ex Machina" story inserts/injections to try and save said characters! It forces Storytellers to shoot themselves in the foot.
@@danielramsey6141 Yes being branded as l'cie is a no win-win situation. Completing l'cie focus will only lead to their crystal stasis and wait for another call. Failing l'cie focus will ended up to become a fiend. IMO I preferred Type-0 version of l'cie rather than XIII version. I really liked Fabula Nova mythos it's so interesting and good, the only problem for me is the execution was done really bad.
LMFAOOOOO at the " finding ventus in castle oblivion" comment he said LOLLL
So basically..... A guy imprisons his mother because he's power hungry, then because he believes she's a threat to his world he tries to break into her prison to kill her. The people he created to help him do that created people to assist them. These people feel neglected by their makers so they decide to try and destroy the world. All the while the person who was imprisoned and believed to be a threat to the world was actually dead and never a threat to begin with.
Just your average story about immortals
Come pity poor Etro she was left all alone
I've got to say, I really love the mythology in the XIII series. One lonely and boring night I was scrolling through the FF Wiki and came across a descriptive summary of the mythos and could NOT stop reading the whole thing. As I kept reading, my mind was being blown open wide because it felt as if though I discovered a hidden secret.
Playing through the first XIII game, I knew almost NOTHING about why things were the way they were (thanks to the game creators stuffing everything into the Datalog that literally no one ever reads instead of explaining everything during gameplay), but with the newfound knowledge now in my brain, I finally summoned up the courage and beat the first game.
Then of course I went on to beat XIII-2 and LR, and I really did feel a huge amount of satisfaction with the way the trilogy ended. I thought it was so amazing that the "new world" that Bhunivelze created was our own planet we live on called Earth (side note: screw the one producer who said that it wasn't Earth and just a similar planet... like gurl, it's Earth. You really trying to DAMPEN the impact of the end revelation?)
Oh, and also wonderful job on the video! Hopefully it'll change people's opinions about the XIII series.
ARMOR15 Pfft, it won’t. Even with an interesting mythos, you gotta have a good story to go along with it. Also, the mythos was NOT executed well in the games. They barely brought anything about it up.
I read the whole datalog. And it's barely even mentioned.
I actually prefer that is not Earth, the novel make this world so dumb
I love this trilogy, the story is actually awesome. It's so layered and deep, what you covered here was only the Gods. There's the falcie that tried to rebel, there's the humans stories, across a whole timeline.
I remember when the sequels to XIII came out, everyone was really confused, especially by LR because the games were not popular. Somebody at Square Enix managed to convince the company to tell the whole story and that is awesome
Sad that the story was shoved into a ....not so good game..
Honestly, I hope they just chuck FNC right into the garbage and think of something better. All these special l'cie this or fal'cie that... HOW tf do you pronouce this?? Just call them gods. It's impossible to acutally enjoy FNC becase the lore is so ever baked with layers of jargon. If you're an author and you go make a story: just use words that people already understand. If you're making a story about wizards, they use wands. Don't go off calling their sticks "etno-channelrs" or "mytheria-rods". WANDS: speak english. FNC is such a headache.
5:45-Hold on a sec, I thought the reason why the Fal’cie wanted to destroy both worlds is because after the Maker left, the humans forgot the order imposed by him and they began killing one another. The Fal’cie thought that if they destroy both Cocoon and Pulse, the Maker will come back and restore order to the world.
so basically a “notice me senpai” move
@@pinhead8030 close enough. I was more leaning towards the “the humans screwed up an assignment so we have to call our boss back home in order to fix everything” move
@@samflood5631 so it’s more of a “daaaaad the humans messed it upppp”
Nova chrystallis Is a really nice plot, but it really has all wrong narrated. that's it at all.
Awsome video BTW.
Totally agree with you :)
You mean the execution in all these games!
Of course, it didn't came to my mind, I'm sorry English isn't my first language.
ShineOnDarkness
No worries.
They basically forced you to read hours of text in order to understand the lore. FFVII and FFX at least explained MOST of this in-game
"Hence the logo"
Dang, and no wonder people were disappointed with XV
This lore always impressed me! Honestly is a shame they didn't really bring up too much in the games and cut 15 out of it. The previous kings being Fal'Cie is really interesting, especially since Lucis observes Etro as a patron deity and she never made Fal'Cie. I feel it could be such a cool plot point
Yeah 15 director is bad
Huh, I guess I understood fabula nova crystalis better than I thought. I really thought I was almost clueless on FNC, but when I watched this video, I learned "huh", that's actually all there is to it.
guess we're lucky Agatio became Type-0, and Versus became 15. this is 10 times the shitshow kingdom hearts is.
Thanks for explaining the Lore of this game series. I really found it confusing, which is odd cause I can usually REALLY get into Lore of any medium from video games to books. But the FF13 games were a very bizarre experience for me.
nice explanation. Fabula Nova Crystallis basically reminded me of the timeline of The Legend of Zelda
Thank you sooo much cause it literally took me this long to finally understand what the Fabula Nova Crystallis is about.
I just want to see lighting again even if she is a cameo in FF 15 I just want to see my favorite character. Being a badass at kicking ass.
+Dean Weiss I really never understood why people hated ff 13 so bad it was a good game if. you love the ff series you gotta give every single game some love. #LightingBestwaifu
Dean Weiss a lot of those people didnt even play and just base there opinions off other peoples without knowing anything. Bandwagoners are kinda annoying
This is a great video because I've been confused on the whole fal'ce or however you spell it thing for a long time but no videos I've found explain the whole lore good enough.
this explanation made me no longer hate the FNC games because I finally understand WHY most of that shit is going on
I rarely favourite videos but I did with this one for sure. Well made, funny at the right times, and the animation was super cute and actually helped retain which characters fit to the plot.
Really? Lightning became the one remaining God? Didnt play titles after 10 but thats an Pretty outstanding Career. I mean not a single other FF Protagonist became even Supernatural or immortal aside of her.
Yeah. Yet she never developed a personality.
I'd say that makes her perfect God material
kingdom hearts timeline still a cluster fuck lol
Sora Sosa and the new games will not make a difference at all.
6:41 Are you sure it's ice and not crystal? This universe is called "New Tale of the Crystal" after all.
I don't think he got some things right either.
It was a comedic comment. Like when he says that they commited suicide asking for attention
I can't believe I didn't see this sooner. This is awesome.
I did play those games, but I feel just like I know nothing.
Also, great ending about checking the story at your local library.
Great job, i don't understand why there aren't way more views on this.
As much, as I wish such a kind meta-concepts came to life, I had to conclude, the realization is one heap on dung after another, until they all combined becomes an EVEREST OF SCENARIO FECES.
9:24 well that was Vs XIII work but you know how that ended
Lesson Learned:
LOVE YOUR MOM!
Everything makes more sense now thank you XIII was far to confusing and got rather complicated. I did like XIII-2 the best out of the 3 games but a do have a thing for Caius that voice oh my lol
Okay to be fair to the people who hate Etro: She DID half-ass the whole 'giving humans sentience' thing and in filling the first human with the power of chaos she kicked off an endless cycle of reincarnation, but also gave her literal godlike powers which being a human she CAN'T HANDLE so whenever she uses them, which she CAN'T CONTROL, her life gets shorter and shorter to the point that each incarnation of this seer dies VERY young. And when Etro realizes "Oops, that was a bad idea, I can't actually fix that," she instead takes ONE guy, makes HIM immortal, tasks him with being the seer's guardian and instills him with a lot of loyalty to that seer, which is kind of fucked up because as I may have mentioned, she keeps DYING BEFORE SHE TURNS 25!
Then in an added effort to save her own ass, she rips Lightning out of the timeline, setting off a sequence of events so convoluted that it literally ends up destroying the actual concept of time itself. So, Etro has an issue or twenty.
Sorry for my broken english XD
English isnt my native language.
Unfortunately, most lore and answers that were not explained in FFXIII and Type-0 were SUPPOSED to be answered in Versus XIII and the fourth epic game cross over, but since square decided to scrap FNC it is now an incomplete mess. No matter what I will still b bitter on the fact that we lost Versus XIII!! But at least the original director is bringing it back(?) in Verum Rex. I can't wait!!!
The original plan was to use one mythology in the different 3 games but it was never intended that mythology will be explain in later games. Type-0 is using the same mythology but the lore is completely different from XIII. And most of the lore in XIII was later explained in sequels.
Jeez that guy was certainly a fan of "The gods are evil jerks! We don't need them!" theme which I always did have a problem with.
Andres Marrero They do that with every story there is a divine being. I mean, don’t get me wrong. It’s fine if they do that once or twice, but not all the time. It gets boring and predictable.
LOL FINDING VENTUS FROM CASTLE OBLIVION love you already
This entire series is just everyone yelling
“YOU’RE LITERALLY LESS THAN USELESS”
At the gods
Thanks for the explanation. It’s -almost- like this whole idea was a really poorly thought out marketing ploy that they kept having to double down on as everything kept getting more and more convoluted.
Shupei G How is a fictional mythos a marketing ploy?
NoctisIRL Lets be real: this is the result of a company trying to capitalize on a franchise idea, rather than to either tell an interconnected story or create great games. The whole FNC is what I mean by a marketing ploy.
Great vid! 👍 PS: 12:17 with the secret ending of Kingdom Hearts Re:Mind?!
* insert Nomura evil laugh *
6:27 So Pulse is young xehanort
nice work but the title makes it sound as though the whole series is based on the nove crystallis legend when it isn't. Objects known as crystals enable those who bear them to summon powerful beings. Kingdoms waged wars over such crystals and there you go.
Holy convoluted plot foolishness, and most of this is never clearly explained in the game so you spend 90% of the game confused about what's happening and why you're doing what you're doing.
Funny you say that... Because in XIII Lindzei isnt even heard until Lightning Returns...
@@creamncheese7761 This, I legit played through the first game, no idea who Lindzei pr Bhunivelze were and heard the name Etro but had no idea ot was actually something important. It's wild how much they didn't explain that is literally central to understanding the main plot. It's like if you played FFX and didn't ever say the name Yu Yevon, never told us what Aeons and Fayth were and only mentioned the Farplane in passing. We'd be at the final boss like, WTF is even happening right now?
Also give Etro some love. *sorry if I didn't type it right*
this is like my fifth or sixth rewatch of this great video... four mistakes or possibly just oversights i noticed this time round were that the datalog in XIII1 says that Lindzei was ALSO tasked with searching for the gate which explains why they created Cocoon over Gran Pulse and set Gala up in Orience; that BOTH Lindzei and Pulse are considered "the Maker" and who the title refers to depends on whether the person saying it is aligned with Pulse or Lindzei, basically; that the first l'Cie were actually almost certainly Yeul's Guardians on Gran Pulse, who existed thousands of years before Cocoon was even a thing; and lastly, that Ragnarök (Fang+Vanille) saved Cocoon by fulfilling their self assigned Focus (to save Cocoon, paradoxically), which turned both themselves and the material they surrounded Cocoon with into crystal (not ice) almost instantaneously.
Edit: thinking about this some more, i would not be surprised if the reason Lindzei created humanity in the first place was as a tool to open the gateway to the Unseen.
as another note, this video could really use some more explanation of the FNC's theory of self; that it's composed of three parts: body (karada), soul (tamashii), and heart (kokoro), the latter of which was mistranslated as "spirit" and led to the english translation of Lightning Returns making very little sense in some places. This is all explained in depth in this tumblr post: hikamitz.tumblr.com/post/111425210884/correcting-the-biggest-translation-error-in-the/
Fal'Cie and deities, except for possibly Etro, all lack a heart, as the heart is made from Chaos. Bhunivelze can manipulate souls (it's how he does all that shit to Hope), but the reason he can't resurrect Serah is because the heart is what gives someone their individuality/personality and will, and Bhunivelze cannot control the Chaos, which is tied to the bonds of love people have for one another. This is, also, why the "powerless" Etro could manipulate the Chaos to give humans hearts and allow their souls to reincarnate by surrounding them in Chaos and drawing that Chaos into new bodies in the Mortal Realm.
Etro herself is also a good example of this split. Her body (specifically, her blood) was used to make humanity, while her heart* became the potent force allowing the guardian of Paddra Nsu Yeul to protect her across lifetimes, and her soul likely became the Crystal of Eos depicted in FFXV which grants the Lucis Caelum Dynasty their power.
* While the above post states that the word for physical heart, shinzou, not the Chaos heart, kokoro, is used for Etro's Heart of Chaos, i am still personally inclined to believe that it is analogous to the human heart since it is the only part of any deity (prior to Lightning & Yeul at the end of LR) that has ties to the Chaos and she is the only deity (again, prior to LR) capable of perceiving the Chaos with the possible exception of Mwynn. Also, while the post states that in japanese tradition, the kokoro would be located int he abdomen, not the chest, in the FNC the kokoro (Chaos heart) is located in the chest/shinzou as shown multiple times throughout FFXIII3, so...
And such, the reason for crystal stasis comes out. He sleeps until the door is open and l'Cie are to serve eternally until the fal'Cie goals are done.
Wow... Thanks, finally a clear explanation.
Type-0 is like pressing the on/off switch repeatedly. Eventually it's gonna work, just gotta flip the switch 600 million times!
honestly, KH is probably a bit more complicated just because of the time travel in a single timeline, great explanation tho, laughed my ass off and learned alot about the Fabula Nova mythos
fucking "Finding the door to the unseen realm is harder than finding ventus is castle oblivion" i died
You do realize that KH has strict rules regarding the time travel, such as having to leave your body behind and only going to where your past self was.
Personally I like very complicated lores, like the ones from Evangelion or Bioshock Infinite.
But man, the games really did the wonderfull job of not telling you anything. Playing a game so rich and so dense must be an achievement.
The only time that FFXIII tells you about this is when you will fight against Cid, and he barely gives you info. The other info is scattered in the datalag.
And a big part of it you only get it after doing sidequests.
This is evidence that you need a good way of telling a story, not only a good story.
Yeah bro, just finished _Type-0_ and I like this whole mythos even more, but the damn game only gives vague answers.
Like the real name of Gala. The game doesnt tell you, you need supplementary material.
And then in planet earth, see Ancient aliens....lol.
Really cool video. I actually took time to read all the analects on all the XIII games when I played them and read some stuff on the FFWiki too... I really enjoyed the story tbh
Do you think Mwyn might be Cosmos?? This could proof that Final Fantasy exist in one giant multiverse
Isn't Etro the same etro that gave lighting her powers right?
there are quite a few mistakes here with wrong information but overall good job. for one bhunivelze awakens in FF 13. not 13-2, you see his crystal as a easter egg in the ending.
Thank you so much!
This makes Fabula Nova Crystallis crystal clear! :-).....
(no pun intended)
good video! you really did some research on this topic! =D
I didn't even know type 0 was this closely connected to the Mythos! always though well that's one of those another dimension type thingy and so on
So, XIII was responsible for XV and Type 0?
Yes.but the storyline is a mess.
Did you do a video about how that coliseum in 13-2 works and the history behind it.If not then would you please make one when you have enough time?I enjoy your videos and think you narrate them pretty well.Thanks for explaining the FNC lore in a more understandable way.
you know how in type 0 the black turtle peristlium got there Chrystal stolen by the empire and shit like in the next cycle there where no Chrystal ?
yeah you cant possibly tell me that in final fantasy 15 the Chrystal is not the same one then from type 0 idk what they did with the other chrystals but i´m pretty sure they placed them in new worlds
Cool theory!
I never understood Yeul's connection with the unseen chaos, can someone explain this to me? I remember that her soul was splintered too many times that it overflowed or somethng
All I know is she was born with the eyes of etro and that with it come's with a price. For every vision you get, you loose a part of your life. When she dies, Etro sends her back to be reborn again with the same soul but different body hence different personalities. I don't know about her soul being splintered and overflowed but I do remember that there were countless Yeuls who died and served as keeper of the Chaos along with Caius while the Yeul that Noel liked stayed with him. Her theme music was so fucking sad. Anymore questions??
Believe it was something like a bunch of Yeuls dying and becoming a large infusion of Chaos (that temple in Lightning Returns after you find the white chocobo). There was also a difference of opinion between the Yeuls about killing Caius/saving him that made things worse.
Think that's the gist of it
I love your videos so much keep on like this and you will gain a lot of popularity in the FFfans community :))
This is the best explanation of the mythos behind Fabula Nova Crystallis.
The ending just jinxed it.
This is the origin of Verum Rex.
I bet Gilgamesh is really good at chess.
Wow now this doesn't sound half bad. Why didn't we get this game instead of hallway-simulator-that-doesn't-want-to-make-sense-XIII?
WORST JOB EVER!!! xD jejeje great video dude, but how do you know that Fang and Vanille are Austrailian?? jejeje
Probably gonna have to watch a few more times to really grasp everything,but thanks definitely needed this, so damn confusing
I love type 0. Kowing that 13 is connected to it. Now im motivated to continue 13.
Bhunivelze didnt really want to kill all beings. He just wanted to rule everything. His only fault is making etro the goddess of death and rebirth. He needs to kill both mwynn and etro but it would practically end the existing universe. So he tried to create a new one. But he cannot see the souls of humans and without it, the new universe he will create will be populated with lifeless dolls. So he needed lightning to save these souls, just like etro has been doing. That's how i see it
But what surprised me is that etro of ff13 got fed up by agito pulse and lindsey. Does it mean that the etro lindsey pulse and bhunivelze from agito are the same entities in ff13?
I thought the ganes just share the same "backstory" but not necessarily same gods all along
'The rest of this story can be found in your local library under 'human history''
I don't recall leaning about the differences between l'Cies in history
a version of this updated with FFXV information and speculating how it ties into FNC would be really cool (e.g. are the Astrals actually Etro's eidolons? is sthe Starscourge connected to the Chaos of Valhalla? etc)
omg thanks, i only saw this now!
If Starscourge is indeed the chaos of Valhalla as you said, wouldn't that make Ardyn theoretically as powerful as the Unseen side and Noctis more powerful than him? Bahamut probably being Bhunivelze level
Loved all the "Hence the logo" bits. :)
Dude great video I was wandering how everything fit together.
Good stuff. I kind of enjoyed 13, but passed on the sequels since they got weird.
I enjoyed 13-2 more than I did with the ones lightning was in
+Beazy
Same ... :3
Same here!
Really? Xiii-2 had weird time travelling
Honestly I liked xiii bc of the adventures of the protagonist but also (important!)
The visual design of everything
Honestly, Dissidia and 012 should be considered a part of the FNC due to the similar people vs. Gods and fate theme
luv the rundown!!
Thank you sooooo much for this video!!!!!
Beautiful, good job with this
I'm almost done with ff13 and I have no idea wtf is goin on so I had to look this up.
This is at least more coherent than the kingdom hearts convoluted shitshow of a story lol
Oh great, another person who claims to not get the KH storyline, just a question, did you only play the original games and not the Final Mix’s, because those ones make things more clear.
@@Zelink108 they're still confusing af
you are close, but cocoon was actually made with the intend of destroying the world. so that the gate to the unseen world would open
I think you just missed a little thing: when all went to shit and chaos flooded people went to Nova Crystallia and didn’t aged and no one was born for 500 YEARS. The lightning arrived in the final 13 days of the world as the savior
Best video ever.
You finally gave me closure about all this FF13 bullshit
Thanks for this. As much as I loved FF13 and 13-2 the grand plot of things has always escaped me
holy shit I did not see all of that on the final fantasy game cover
I'll admit that the Gilgamesh Vs pulse in a game of cheese might've been the case, how else did Gilgamesh become so fricking serious in 15
Thanks for the summary man.. I actually got so annoyed about half way through lightning returns, that I never even bothered to even look up how the story fit together.
I love the little bit on FFXV, I for one still view it as an FNC game. Plus I've heard some pretty convincing theories about it too.
I would love to see cool, in-depth stories/lore like this in the next FF's. I think it would also be cool if they made more FF's connected to this world and give more lore about the world. Maybe we'll see more in Type Next or a FFXV sequel or something, if that ever happens.
That was a perfect exploration for this thank you.
Great video man!
Can you answer me a particular question? I see some people saying that Bhunivelze's new world is just a single planet, you say in your video at 11:00 that the new world is actually a whole universe. I believe that the new world is a universe too, since the term "mortal world" exists before Bhunivelze kills Mwynn, showing that "world" is referring to the universe since not even pulse, etro and lindzei where created at this point, let alone gran pulse and the humans. Still, where i can find a more clear answer to this? Showing that Bhunivelze's new world is a universe and not a single planet?
Hi, Dean! I just wanted to let you know that SM, one of the Philippines' popular malls, has confirmed that they would be showing Kingsglaive in theaters! I was not really expecting it but thankfully it is happening.
whoa I didnt know that. kailan ang showing?
in all of the SM malls? or just in specific places like SM MANILA or SM BICUTAN?
+Mara Joy Pineda Specific Cinema houses only. Mall of Asia is not showing it actually. check sm cinema's fb page. I think Bicutan is showing it.
+Royce Jose thnks
SLR guys. SM North EDSA is currently showing it!!!! :))
Thanks so much , I finally have a grasp on the nova crystalis series ...
And I became even more certain that it's a mess from story writing ... I mean I used to think Kingdom Hearts was convoluted , but this is on a whole other level
Amazing job man, really, the best FNC summary ever! #UnderratedEtro
Saved my life...thankyou
bet ffxv was meant to take place in a world named after etros
XV: TOTALLY NOT RELATED XD
No literally, XV's story has no conections to this except for the image of Etro. And im pretty sure the logo is of Lunafreya, i mean... Or Noctis falls in love with a dead creature thats TOTALLY NOT A FAL'CIE...
Wait THIS WAS THE STORY OF THE XIII SAGA?!?!
Thank you so much for this
Great video. One thing though... Lindzei is male. His gender is never stated in the Japanese version but in the English version of LR he is referred as male by Fang during her quest, also the murals discovered during said quest describe him in a male form.
Dean Weiss Thx for replying, I love your videos. I guess you are right, the trilogy and Type never really tell us much about Lindzei, hell the only time we see it/him/her is as a freaking scythe lol.
In short there's a taco and then there's pizza. One of them died. The end.