Absolutely. There's no reason a warrior who's whole theme is "If I'm going to die in going to die in battle" but he's forced to play like a squishy coward because he can't stand In front of an ADC for more than 5 seconds without dying so he has to build lethality to kill the damage dealers as quickly as possible in a fight.
This Pantheon had: 397 AD, 123 (241) Armor, 68 (186) Magic Res, 5810 HP, 20% max HP dmg point & click stun, non-ultimate invulnerability, execute dmg, and a semi-global teleport
Yeaaah... That made me open comments imidiatly as well... It is silly for me to get upset over such a small thing when he is still playing so much better than me xD
@@Brunerth I'm pretty sure he was just having a streamer moment. Reading comprehension tends to go out the window when you're focusing on three things at once. I just thought it was funny.
Honest question what would be the best way to not fall behind? Do you counter jungle, or your priorities are ganking. I played a game as a jungler the last few days after a long break ( played S2 S3 ) . I want to try the jungle because I want to get a feeling of how a jungler thinks :) I know everyone is different but what would be the best way in this situation? Sorry mate I wrote a lot 😂
@@Donquixote43you wanna take his blue side if he's taking yours, but be aware of potential roaming from mid and top, if you have prio on the lane it's fine. Then if you're in his jgl you may wanna gank mif imo cause you can have a good gank angle coming from behind If he take your blue then he's surely gonna be topside for crab, so if there's a good setup bot lane you might gank lvl 3 or 4 after or before taking the crab
@@Donquixote43globally as a jungle you want to make sure that if the opponent take something at a side of the map you wanna have something too somewhere else I would say the most common mistake is trying to follow enemy jgl everywhere he goes and always coming slightly after him, imo you have to anticipate in order to arrive before him or even try to do something else on the other side of the map
Caitlyns death at the start, I know exactly what shes talking about: If you alt tab the tab and back into the game its in temporsry windowed mode and requires you to alt ta. Out and back in again. Otherwise your screen goes black if you accidentally scroll out when using dual monitors.
Quick tip. You can insta-charge 5 stacks for empowered ability, if you use empowered W, proc the 3 autos from it and then Q, E. So you can eW,AA,Q,E,eQ combo.
I mean, if you use up stacks for Q rather than W then it might deal more damage in case you get a lot of extra AD - eQ scales hard with bonus AD, eW scales weaker with total AD. But it only seems to work early - check 29:01, eW bonus is 573 while eQ bonus is about 500 (based on my calculations with 247 bonus AD). I guess eW wins by its consistency.
@@Nevri. I'm talking about a situation when you just want a quick trade and you'll use only one empowered ability. Like, in an all-in of Q+W+E, to get more damage, you get to choose what to empower: either Q or W. So I typed down some (apparently useless) math on this choice. See if what Zwag does (favoring eQ over eW) makes any sense. But yeah. If you have enough time to execute it, the usual eW, AAx3, E, AA, eQ combo simply wins.
@@Zwag The w is worse against squishy champs since now even with 1000 AP you are only doing 23% max hp with the w instead of 1000 damage with 100% scaling. But the q throw scales with 50% ap and that scaling is also on the spear that comes from the ult so you have 150% ap scaling on the ult now if u hit them directly.
So, shojin for q haste and health scaling, then sundered sky second for the first hit crit to pair with the max health damage and knock them low for the q crit. Then it is free game after those two items, maybe a hullbreaker 3rd item. Hullbreaker would actually go very well with those builds because of the empowered pantheon w. Makes getting that 5th attack even easier.
Day 422 of asking Zwag to play crit Rek'Sai Day 1 is on "JINX, BUT MY ROCKETS MULTIPLY AND DO TRIPLE AOE DAMAGE (IT LOOKS LIKE A GLITCH)" on TC channel
Yoooo nice!! Pantheon was always good as a sort of tank but jow hes real good. Up top hes nice cause you just wait till your shield is up befofe doing your jump stun gombo so you can get outta there right away for free grasp procs. Now hes uber ready for all the tank goodness!!
@@Nobody1707 lol yeah pretty much. But even after the made the passives unique, Panth would just go ad and spam his q before it was a skill shot. Spam Q to get them below half HP, then all in. That was panth in a nutshell. I also believe some of the spears from his E could crit.
He's on a deranked account facing an Iron 4 rumble. Just look up the rumble's name on league of graphs to find the ranks of everyone he faced. It's sad
Wait a second. Did Zwag read my suggestion about Tank+Haste Pantheon? Asking for a tank Cassiopeia. Days asked: 433, days skipped: 7, winrate: 98.409%. If you do it, I'll t(h)ank you by subbing to all your channels! Core items: Archangel's, Heartsteel OR Iceborn Gauntlet, Riftmaker (for HP to AP conversion) AND/OR Liandry's Situational items (pick some): Rod of Ages, Rylai's, Cosmic Drive, Frozen Heart, Abbysal Mask, Spirit Visage, Force of Nature, Kaenic, Jak'Sho, Warmog's Primary runes: Grasp, Demolish, Conditioning, Overgrowth OR standard Conqueror. Secondary runes: Manaflow, Gathering Storm OR Presence of mind, Last stand. Extra facts: You want Archangel's first, because Cass is so mana hungry. Gauntlet might work, because with E you'll proc it often. Heartsteel will easily proc because you're ranged and fast. For the same reason Rylai's will be excellent for kiting, just like bruiser Ashe. Spirit Visage synergizes with your E healing and Seraph's shielding. "My viewers BEGGED me for a Tank Cassiopeia build... And it's actually busted" My thanks for supporting this suggestion (in many ways) go to: GiovanniBoss, Lena Miaou, D.Lockholm, FashionSuckMan, Thaddeus Hill, Gustavo Martirena, Kuroji, Maja, Jänix Burger, Fitzgerald Stanbury Weiss the 5th, Dávid Hidvégi, TimmyMicBobbins, cozuuz-, Julian Bänsch, Jamal Khalil, Prove It Brother [50%], Lesheq, Fyno, Brian Arsuaga, med, inkstain animations. I like any feedback on this comment!
Day 5 of asking for AD Bruiser Lifesteal Viego toplane. Triforce, Blade of the Ruined King, Ravenous Hydra, Bloodthirster, and Terminus. With the grasp rune for a little extra health and survivability.
1:58 "good start" bro.... this is not what you say when you are high rank... if that happens in high elo, it's not a good start its gg go next lol... u are almost lvl 4 2 kills advantage and wave will push to u and he is lvl2...
I'm going to admit, Pantheon being a lightweight burst assassin always seemed weird for his characterization
Absolutely. There's no reason a warrior who's whole theme is "If I'm going to die in going to die in battle" but he's forced to play like a squishy coward because he can't stand In front of an ADC for more than 5 seconds without dying so he has to build lethality to kill the damage dealers as quickly as possible in a fight.
@hangry3102 nuh uh as a panth otp he was strong before the buff can't destroy tanks easy but close the gap on a adc. Adc = free gold for panth :)
@@jeremiahpreston987 ok has nothing to do with what I said
ive always built panth support as a tank now i can solo kill the adc at 10 minutes which is funny
This
8:40 ”mistakes were made” that cracked me up
Definitely saw that
This Pantheon had: 397 AD, 123 (241) Armor, 68 (186) Magic Res, 5810 HP, 20% max HP dmg point & click stun, non-ultimate invulnerability, execute dmg, and a semi-global teleport
And the to deals aoe damage
Don't forget the 10-30% armor pen passive on his ult
thx god he doesn't have unstoppable
@@mukamuka0 he technically have, while landing from his ult.
8:05 "I thought it gave extra HP" he said, looking right at the Awe passive that gives health equal to 15% bonus mana.
Yeaaah... That made me open comments imidiatly as well...
It is silly for me to get upset over such a small thing when he is still playing so much better than me xD
i'm pretty sure he meant it as saying "i thought fimbulwinter gave more hp than winter's approach"
@@Brunerth I'm pretty sure he was just having a streamer moment. Reading comprehension tends to go out the window when you're focusing on three things at once. I just thought it was funny.
@@Nobody1707 im pretty sure he meant it gave extra hp as in more than winters approach as well... maybe zwaggy can weigh in XD
Zhin: Can you guys ward my blue please?
Nobody notices Udyr walk his happy ass right past a ward to his blue 0:35
Honest question what would be the best way to not fall behind? Do you counter jungle, or your priorities are ganking. I played a game as a jungler the last few days after a long break ( played S2 S3 ) .
I want to try the jungle because I want to get a feeling of how a jungler thinks :) I know everyone is different but what would be the best way in this situation?
Sorry mate I wrote a lot 😂
@@Donquixote43you wanna take his blue side if he's taking yours, but be aware of potential roaming from mid and top, if you have prio on the lane it's fine.
Then if you're in his jgl you may wanna gank mif imo cause you can have a good gank angle coming from behind
If he take your blue then he's surely gonna be topside for crab, so if there's a good setup bot lane you might gank lvl 3 or 4 after or before taking the crab
@@Donquixote43globally as a jungle you want to make sure that if the opponent take something at a side of the map you wanna have something too somewhere else
I would say the most common mistake is trying to follow enemy jgl everywhere he goes and always coming slightly after him, imo you have to anticipate in order to arrive before him or even try to do something else on the other side of the map
8:38 "alright, nobody saw that"
Meanwhile me, writing it down to the book of fame: 👁️👄👁️
4:38 bro you can hear the anxiety
Caitlyns death at the start, I know exactly what shes talking about: If you alt tab the tab and back into the game its in temporsry windowed mode and requires you to alt ta. Out and back in again. Otherwise your screen goes black if you accidentally scroll out when using dual monitors.
Quick tip. You can insta-charge 5 stacks for empowered ability, if you use empowered W, proc the 3 autos from it and then Q, E. So you can eW,AA,Q,E,eQ combo.
I mean, if you use up stacks for Q rather than W then it might deal more damage in case you get a lot of extra AD - eQ scales hard with bonus AD, eW scales weaker with total AD.
But it only seems to work early - check 29:01, eW bonus is 573 while eQ bonus is about 500 (based on my calculations with 247 bonus AD).
I guess eW wins by its consistency.
@@janwilczynski6010 What are you talking about? Only eQ deals increased dmg and with that combo you'll use both eW and eQ in 1 combo.
@@Nevri. I'm talking about a situation when you just want a quick trade and you'll use only one empowered ability. Like, in an all-in of Q+W+E, to get more damage, you get to choose what to empower: either Q or W. So I typed down some (apparently useless) math on this choice. See if what Zwag does (favoring eQ over eW) makes any sense.
But yeah. If you have enough time to execute it, the usual eW, AAx3, E, AA, eQ combo simply wins.
22:21 AWWW MY GOODNESS ITS A RHOMBUS!
“Did Zwag get the first 6 CS?”
No, he missed 3 melees and a caster minion
Lose Streak: 1
day 524 of waiting for my dad to return
jaksho is probably really good on him now for boosting up all the resistance he gets from his E
He has AP ratios, where is the BFT zwag?
w lost its 100% ap ratio tho so it may be worse
@@Zwag The w is worse against squishy champs since now even with 1000 AP you are only doing 23% max hp with the w instead of 1000 damage with 100% scaling. But the q throw scales with 50% ap and that scaling is also on the spear that comes from the ult so you have 150% ap scaling on the ult now if u hit them directly.
@@Zwag that hasnt stopped you before, besides youve been spamming BFT on anything and everything why stop now
Make it an AP+HP TANK and W will hit like a brick.
Just lore-wise he should have been a tank since the beginning imo. Makes no sense for him to be this assassin type of guy that oneshots you
Didnt see you do it much if at all this game. But if you ever use Pantheon again, Q the air to build the stacks :)
4:20 mini zwag feature?? I can imagine him being the most awesome dad to have..
good at game = good dad....
It's rumble falling down
@@Niels-iy4ns Try putting the volume up. I think you can hear a baby make a noise (it happens at exactly 4:23)
"i'm going to buy a tear"
- Goes to base
- Forgets to buy a tear.
- Keeps talking about health ratios
At 8:37 Zwag did the famous flex combo to farm the wave LOL
So, shojin for q haste and health scaling, then sundered sky second for the first hit crit to pair with the max health damage and knock them low for the q crit. Then it is free game after those two items, maybe a hullbreaker 3rd item. Hullbreaker would actually go very well with those builds because of the empowered pantheon w. Makes getting that 5th attack even easier.
Apart from hullbreaker isn't great for teamfighting champs which is kinda what panth excels at
8:38 your entire audience saw that you flash 😂
Day 422 of asking Zwag to play crit Rek'Sai
Day 1 is on "JINX, BUT MY ROCKETS MULTIPLY AND DO TRIPLE AOE DAMAGE (IT LOOKS LIKE A GLITCH)" on TC channel
I wonder if building him like Urgot would be good with black cleaver, hullbreaker, titanic those kinds of items.
Maybe though hullbreaker is awkward if you use your ult to join fights.
@@Chromodar I dont think hullbreaker works like that anymore.
@@brandonnowonline6533 Wiki says you're right, was changed in 13.4. Only the arena version wants you to stay away from allies now.
When I saw that accidental flash I thought hmm...I'm never seen my pantheon do that and then I realized what happened
90% armor pierce panth will be missed
I think spear, BC, Sundered, and Trinity, would all be good for this build.
I love to hear starcraft music in the background 😊
Such a good play 15:05 😊
Yoooo nice!!
Pantheon was always good as a sort of tank but jow hes real good.
Up top hes nice cause you just wait till your shield is up befofe doing your jump stun gombo so you can get outta there right away for free grasp procs.
Now hes uber ready for all the tank goodness!!
I tried the heartsteel build before the rework it wasn't bad but I think that now I'll play this little bit more
Originally Pantheon was always an AD Tank
Not really, even in season 1 people were just stacking brutalizers on him
@@Racmaster00 Weren't people in season 1 just stacking brutalizers on everyone? Unless they were stacking sunfires?
@@Nobody1707 lol yeah pretty much. But even after the made the passives unique, Panth would just go ad and spam his q before it was a skill shot. Spam Q to get them below half HP, then all in. That was panth in a nutshell. I also believe some of the spears from his E could crit.
8:05 - "I thought it gave extra HP...hmmm... Guess not."
Zwag, your illiteracy is becoming a real problem. I think it's time for an intervention.
I love how from the start Caitlyn player is not really into using his brain.
Dude wtf Panth is supposed to be an assassin, he’s my favorite character. Leave him the hell alone Riot.
as a mantheon enjoyer these changes make me happy
Somebody tell Zwag building health doesn't affect heartsteel anymore, it scales only with own item bonus HP
The %HP from the W reminds me of Pantheon before his rework (when his W scaled 100% with AP) simply because %HP would be pretty dumb with max haste 😅😂
Gotta say, playing Pantheon as a Tank feels right
need to see an ap/hp version asap!!!.. great vid
Welcome to 'Zwags DPS Charts'
The Rank of This Match: 77 out of 104
DPM: 1318.3 / DPS: 22
Median DPM/DPS: 1563 / 26
TOP 3
1. Zwag Xerath 16.05.2024 'Cassiopeia' 3579 / 59.65
2. TC Zwag 23.04.2024 'Briar' 2790 / 46.50
3. TC Zwag 01.05.2024 'Caitlyn' 2769 / 46.16
LOWEST
104. Zwagmo 26.05.2024 'Xerath' 0681 / 11.35
(Chart started: 05.2024)
Idk wtf they were thinking with this change
Holy shit, the only play i cant see zwag doing is a pantheon play
I think that bloodthirster, bork or warmogs last would be good for mord sustain
Day 22 of asking for Attack Speed On-hit Ezreal
The level of rejects you play against is insane. Rumble should roll you all game.
He's on a deranked account facing an Iron 4 rumble. Just look up the rumble's name on league of graphs to find the ranks of everyone he faced. It's sad
Thanks for the great vid Zwag!
Riot wants pantheon to be a bruiser instead of a straight up assassin. OMG, He's going to counter Sett so hard.
whats the music in the vid ??
been hyping this when i saw the rework a week or so back to my friends and they upset saying ima grief them xD
It's seem they made Pantheon into Rumble counter! not bad actually
I don’t think Zwag missed any cannons he must be happy
Wonder if BOTRK with the max life damage would make one shot panth easier. Dunno. GG man
Wait a second. Did Zwag read my suggestion about Tank+Haste Pantheon?
Asking for a tank Cassiopeia. Days asked: 433, days skipped: 7, winrate: 98.409%. If you do it, I'll t(h)ank you by subbing to all your channels!
Core items: Archangel's, Heartsteel OR Iceborn Gauntlet, Riftmaker (for HP to AP conversion) AND/OR Liandry's
Situational items (pick some): Rod of Ages, Rylai's, Cosmic Drive, Frozen Heart, Abbysal Mask, Spirit Visage, Force of Nature, Kaenic, Jak'Sho, Warmog's
Primary runes: Grasp, Demolish, Conditioning, Overgrowth OR standard Conqueror.
Secondary runes: Manaflow, Gathering Storm OR Presence of mind, Last stand.
Extra facts:
You want Archangel's first, because Cass is so mana hungry.
Gauntlet might work, because with E you'll proc it often.
Heartsteel will easily proc because you're ranged and fast. For the same reason Rylai's will be excellent for kiting, just like bruiser Ashe.
Spirit Visage synergizes with your E healing and Seraph's shielding.
"My viewers BEGGED me for a Tank Cassiopeia build... And it's actually busted"
My thanks for supporting this suggestion (in many ways) go to: GiovanniBoss, Lena Miaou, D.Lockholm, FashionSuckMan, Thaddeus Hill, Gustavo Martirena, Kuroji, Maja, Jänix Burger, Fitzgerald Stanbury Weiss the 5th, Dávid Hidvégi, TimmyMicBobbins, cozuuz-, Julian Bänsch, Jamal Khalil, Prove It Brother [50%], Lesheq, Fyno, Brian Arsuaga, med, inkstain animations. I like any feedback on this comment!
Nice have a nice day zwag
Where do you find the patch notes?
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**appeasement intensifies**
Concuerdo con el desconocido.
Lore accurate pantheon
Bro what is this fire background playlist 😭
fimbulwinter gives extra health based on how much mana you have
Kindred count
Count since the last video 24 days
Last record of 88, 222, 139, 63, 98, 21 days
This is an actual iron 4 lobby i knew something was wrong from the first time rumble died
Thinking about flickerblade + essence reaver on Panth or Xin.
Navori Flickerblade doesnt work with W 3-hit. Might me a bug or intended.
So not builduing Cleaver with Pantheon now is trolling
I think it's time to play Mantheon top again, Gigachadrick and Maiden need to rest anyway
Hey one guy from riot that watches this still What is up with the PBE always being broken who did they fire to make the patches so unstable
you need hail of blades to use empower w and e fast.
Zwag dont do this build take the pta rush titanic into sundered into cleaver (situational) or bloodmail and gauntlet
Support pantheon will be unreal now
Pls play Mundo with heartsteel bloodmail sundered sky and wildarrows first crit auto attack will oneshot ig
Black cleaver goes even harder on panth with these changes.
This is why my flash is set on F (for flash :P )
This is the sloppiest zwag game I've ever seen
SO THEY NERF ASSASIN PANTH BECAUSE THE COMBO IS OP AF AND NOW HE IS ANOTHER STATSTICK CHAMP LIKE MUNDO
Starcraft music 10/10
50% AP ration on Q? Does that mean ult technically now has 150% AP ratio if the spear hits? XD
Zwag you watching UFC tonight?
Who you got, Poirier or Makhachev?
1:57 Reportable behaviour from Xin Zhao
Black cleaver seems really good on pantheon now
It's always been good because of his R passive
@@bratman9516now it's even better
Day 5 of asking for AD Bruiser Lifesteal Viego toplane. Triforce, Blade of the Ruined King, Ravenous Hydra, Bloodthirster, and Terminus. With the grasp rune for a little extra health and survivability.
Wizard Lizard Renekton with all the burn items pls day 6?
May I ask why you have StarCraft 2 music playing in the background?
W music
Day 1 of wishing you did this for wild rift!❤
Welcome the next hisghest winrate in toplane.
This was a video but ap briar could also be a video
Day 1 of asking Zwag to play AP Gangplank
No wayyyy!!!! I just asked for tank panth. Zwag is the mannn
Do a no hit rammus build with the new items. AOE is busted atm since they added like 20 items that does AOE
Feel like the armor/MR from E is wayyyy too high
He built all hp items and had 700 stacks on heartsteel. If you go full AD you get 35 max.
are these changes live?
Yes
Day 1 ask for vlad video with any build for no reason
1:58 "good start" bro.... this is not what you say when you are high rank... if that happens in high elo, it's not a good start its gg go next lol... u are almost lvl 4 2 kills advantage and wave will push to u and he is lvl2...
Ap irelia pls
Day 2 of asking for full lifesteal Yuumi jg
Pantheon He is THE Fighter it Means Bruiser
Day 2 asking for a normal Zoe game. Just have fun Zwag
Bro hes gonna be even more broken as support 😅 idk if im excited or scared
22 Minutes: How much are you paying that Taliyah to push you into her and Ashe? XD :P
Day 1 of asking Mr Zwag to play Taric jungle 🙂
Day one of asking for crit yorick
Day 2 of asking zwag for on hit pyke
Day 91 of requesting an R33 build