How Brazilian Coaches Became Irrelevant in Modern Football

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  • @vitorpavani7125
    @vitorpavani7125 18 днів тому +65

    You forgot to bring up Tele Santana. The history of Tele in both his club career and ahead of the Selecao is fundamental in understanding what happened with Brazilian football.
    Santana was probably the best coach Brazil has ever produced. Tele's teams seemed to find a perfect balance between keeping up with the flair offensive style that became synonimous with Brazilian Football identity, but also while being very diligent and organized on defence. However Santana had a reputation of being unlucky. His teams would play the greatest football you've ever seen, but they would choke it at the crucial moments. That's exactly what happened with the Selecao at the 1982 World Cup when he was in charge. That team was simply magical and played some of the greatest football the world has ever seen, but they ended up defeated by Italy in one of the most traumatic experiences in Brazilian football history.
    That sparked one of the most vile debates this sport has ever seen: is it better for a team to play beautifuly and lose or to play boring football and win?
    In his later career Santana finally could combine great football with winning trophies when his Sao Paulo side simply took Brazilian and South American Football by storm in the early 90's winning every possible trophy while playing with flair. However the damage was already done and Brazilian football was taken by a culture that would completely deny the importance of style and identity. Post-Tele Satana Brazilian Football is all about the results. Brazilian coaches are no longer in pursuit of a football idea, but doing whatever needed to secure the next win (and their jobs as a result) with no care for the quality of football their teams present. In the 1990's that worked out fine because that generation of players was ridiculously talented. Teams would be built to be defensively solid and would simply rely on individual proess to create and score. And that worked as a charm when we had players like Romario, Bebeto, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo and Ronaldo up front. However, when the next generation proved to be way less gifted, it became clear to everyone that this football idea is simply unsustainable.

    • @CasanovaLucas
      @CasanovaLucas 18 днів тому +4

      Para entender a decadência dos técnicos brasileiros, não é necessário falar no Telê. O vídeo ficou bem bom

    • @carlosjbittencourt5796
      @carlosjbittencourt5796 18 днів тому +1

      You got to be kidding , Tele the best coach Brasil has ever produced? The useless Tele was just incompetent in 2 World Cups. São Paulo FC supporters and the “Paulista press” have created the Santana myth something that , unfortunately, has persisted in the football culture of Brazil.

    • @notKevinFeige
      @notKevinFeige 18 днів тому +3

      @@carlosjbittencourt5796 quem tu diria?

    • @CasanovaLucas
      @CasanovaLucas 18 днів тому +5

      @carlosjbittencourt5796 o Brasil todo tá errado e o Carlos Bittencourt ta certo

    • @ThroneFC
      @ThroneFC  18 днів тому +6

      Thanks for adding that insight! I looked him up, but I chose to focus on brazilian coaches ideas that translated into success. Still, this worthy of being the videos' fixed comment.

  • @bconni2
    @bconni2 19 днів тому +74

    do a follow up video. perhaps call it "how Portuguese coaches have become the most relevant in Brazil"

    • @ladamilitarizado327
      @ladamilitarizado327 18 днів тому +4

      And Argentines too, tho we are less successful than the Portuguese.

    • @Scorhos
      @Scorhos 16 днів тому +2

      Os portugueses entraram bem nos times daqui do Brasil porque a barreira do idioma é extremamente transponível, pois é português, também, mas com diferenças peculiares. Se o ensino em línguas tivesse uma qualidade mais popular em vez de algo só pra quem é melhor educado, pode viajar, etc, com certeza teríamos técnicos ingleses, por exemplo. Imagina só o monte de time só treinando escanteio pra fazer chuveirinho em cima do goleiro.The Portuguese have made it onto Brazilian teams because the language barrier is extremely surmountable, as it is also Portuguese, but with peculiar differences. If language teaching had a more popular quality instead of something only for those who are better educated, can travel, etc., we would certainly have English coaches, for example. Just imagine the number of teams that only practice corner kicks to shower the goalkeeper with a little shot.

  • @hallo23779
    @hallo23779 20 днів тому +51

    Brazil's downfall in football is wild, they once had great managers and the greatest players but now they ride on their 5 world cups and the then squads to even make sales meanwhile their teams cant even beat the arabs in the intercontinental trophies

    • @Willian888Cardu-d6s
      @Willian888Cardu-d6s 19 днів тому

      What u on about ☠☠☠

    • @joaopadua7134
      @joaopadua7134 19 днів тому +12

      The brazillian clubs are going threw their golden age, the problem is the national team

    • @HotspurSkill
      @HotspurSkill 19 днів тому +8

      They never had good coaches

    • @hallo23779
      @hallo23779 19 днів тому +3

      @@joaopadua7134 i wouldnt call it a golden age they consistantly strugle getting to the club world cup finals for some years now and have won it only 4 times since 2000 meanwhile in coppa libertadores they might be dominating but the argentinian league (the traditional powerhouse of copa libertadores) has been in a terrible state for many years

    • @luizpinheiro336
      @luizpinheiro336 19 днів тому +3

      What downfall, the champion league, an European competition, has Brazil as its top scorer. Brazil is not on a downfall, the other countries just got better

  • @felipepantos4769
    @felipepantos4769 19 днів тому +24

    The thing is that Brazil had so much individual talent that it was never really necessary to have advanced tactics. But from the year 2000 and onwards, changes in player transfer rules caused a sharp decline in the teams quality, which also caused a decline in the quality of new players. So now we’re at a point where Brazil lost its football identity.

    • @viniciusvicente7438
      @viniciusvicente7438 16 днів тому

      Esse tipo de comentário é "hot take". Quem formou os grandes talentos individuais brasileiros? Foram treinadores de base, ninguém se torna jogador profissional porque era bom de bola na rua e não precisou aprimorar nada para chegar em um clube. Hoje em dia sim, os treinadores brasileiros estão em seu pior momento, pois eles nem têm capacidade de formar jogadores, muito menos de montar grandes equipes.

    • @VictorGabriel-bx1ue
      @VictorGabriel-bx1ue 15 днів тому

      Dizer que os treinadores não entendiam de tática no passado é uma inverdade. Algumas das maiores inovações táticas da história do futebol foram idealizadas por treinadores brasileiros, como o 4-2-4 (antecessor do 4-4-2), o 4-3-3 e o advento dos laterais ofensivos. Mas algo ocorreu no meio do caminho, levando nossos treinadores à estagnação. Só resta saber o motivo.

  • @mayopamplona6595
    @mayopamplona6595 16 днів тому +6

    As a Brazilian, I´m impressed by the precision of your analysis.

  • @ford_gran_turismo
    @ford_gran_turismo 18 днів тому +8

    Im from Brazil, this video hurts a lot, but i hope one day we will win again the world cup.

    • @ThroneFC
      @ThroneFC  18 днів тому

      I'm sure you understand why I didn't include him

  • @filipecdsantos
    @filipecdsantos 18 днів тому +9

    I am Brazilian and I consume Brazilian football since I was a child. In the last 20 years or more, the game became worst year by year. By 2018, we could not watch itanymore. Thankfully, Jorge Jesus was successfull in 2019. Since then, we see improvements with the arrival of many foreign coaches in the league.

    • @SáviodaSilvaDias
      @SáviodaSilvaDias 16 днів тому +1

      tens razão, vc se lembra dos jogos horríveis q nós tínhamos na década de 2000? o Romário até falou disso na época que ele foi artilheiro do BR com 40 anos, que só foi possível alcançar esse recorde pq o nível do futebol brasileiro era péssimo, mas nos últimos anos eu diria que melhorou bastante e isso foi grças a chegada de vários estrangeiros, incluindo jogadores e treinadores tmbm.

    • @filipecdsantos
      @filipecdsantos 16 днів тому +1

      @SáviodaSilvaDias acho que nesse período só se salvou mesmo o Santos do Neymar. Apesar do técnico. Cara, é surreal pensar que Dunga e Mano Menezes foram técnicos da seleção, Marcelo Oliveira foi bi do brasileirão com o Cruzeiro anabolizado e o Corinthians de Tite ganhou o mundial jogando na retranca.

    • @leonesquierro4530
      @leonesquierro4530 14 днів тому

      Concordo plenamente, os portugueses revolucionaram o futebol aqui.

  • @marreapato
    @marreapato 19 днів тому +20

    As a brazillian who wants to become a manager some day, there is very little incentive for managing in brazil, if you lose 3 games and maybe a derby "fans" are not only going after your job they are going after your family with death threats, also with that of climbing the steps is really hard, cause if you dont know people odds are you are going to end up in a team in the middle of nowhere with only state championship to play and to get out of this limbo you'ld need to have a fantastic fairy tail like campaign, and forget consistency, it is impossible cause if you do one good campaign odds are your entire team will be sold, then there is also the formation, most licences you can onñy get in rio de janeiro, and only recently you could get the worst license in the other states, then there is also the issue you need 5 years of physical education, like why, just make a footbsll coaching university, like portugal or england, so that and more reasons i csnt remember is why im gonna try to become a manager in europe

    • @ThroneFC
      @ThroneFC  18 днів тому +1

      Being a manager is hard everywhere. But Brazilians certainly have it worse. You'd have a much better chance pretty much anywhere else in western and central Europe

    • @theuzao5759
      @theuzao5759 15 днів тому

      It dont need degree

  • @lcoffe5154
    @lcoffe5154 20 днів тому +19

    não que seja a melhor liga, mas no mexico tem pelomenos dois grandes técnicos brasileiros, um ganhou no tigre e outro no america

  • @Oil2024
    @Oil2024 19 днів тому +25

    The whole country has sunk, not just football. In fact, football is just a reflex of the current state of affairs. Brazil has the honour of being the World's first Idiocracy. Beat the USA by about 10 years...

    • @MatheusSantos-iz1ip
      @MatheusSantos-iz1ip 19 днів тому +9

      Do the L

    • @prsancho
      @prsancho 19 днів тому +1

      The 1988 consensus melted really fast, but it was bad from the get-go.
      On soccer, the current National championship and the demise of the state leagues might also have played a role on this.

    • @ThroneFC
      @ThroneFC  18 днів тому +2

      Many people are making political comparisons. What do you mean by that?

    • @RedSkorpioTV
      @RedSkorpioTV 17 днів тому +3

      As a brazilian, I totally agreed. Brazil fell as a democracy. Soccer was just a consequency.

    • @LucasRibeiro-vu3cp
      @LucasRibeiro-vu3cp 16 днів тому

      ​@ThroneFC
      Because the fall of Brazilian football and the tragic politic scenario are consequences of the same cause: a mix of stupid people with selfish and corrupt decision makers.

  • @Fred-nt6xb
    @Fred-nt6xb 17 днів тому +5

    Rogério Ceni is a good coach. He was Brazilian champion with Flamengo in 2020, even though he lost all of his main players due to injuries and call-ups from the national teams.
    Fernando Diniz did interesting work at São Paulo and Fluminense but he doesn't adapt to the opponent. He is currently at Cruzeiro with very poor performance. As interim coach of the Brazilian national team he was a disaster.

  • @joseferreiradasilvaneto1415
    @joseferreiradasilvaneto1415 17 днів тому +3

    The extinction of classic number 10, the near to extinction of the ST role, the scarce CF populace, and consequently, the 4-3-3 epidemia is killing our coaching ideas, removing the guts to innovate, to try something different (or "old"). Brazilian coaches try to emulate Guardiola's playing tactics, without having the same set of players, so, the game becomes stale and annoying. Many reasons can be related to this situation, the main IMHO are eurocentric media pushing the copy and paste of foreign tactics in a daliy basis and the need to sell young players the earliest, so, if they are already adapted to euro formations, the easier to conclude transfers and the bills can be paid faster. Add all this to the big paychecks and the obligation to deal with "spoiled rich kid" culture reigning supreme, where they act more like player's babysitters , which don't want to change attitude on the pitch, listen to older professionals or even study football - the majority of them very arrogant and unpolite - and the will to become a better coach fades, also their work rate. Laziness was so dominant that, in 2019 portuguese Jorge Jesus and chilean Jorge Sampaolli, gave a literal mega shock in the brazilian coaching community, bringing back attacking mentality and beauty to the game, showing how ignorant and outdated they were. After this, few brazilian coaches managed to win major tournaments, and a lot of them have complaints (envy) about the success of foreigners.
    As an example, even the current national team coach, which used to play in 4-4-2 formations during his career, changed to the 4-3-3 after being called to the "seleção" duty. It's so agressive that, by checking recent call ups, becomes easy to find 6-8 wing forwards, 4-6 central midfielders, zero second tops, 1-2 center forwards, and 0-1 classic attacking midfielders/classic defensive midfielders. Unbalanced and disproportional, to say the least.
    The solution? Step back. It's very complicated, but I think it begins with player formation and stop prioritizing what the european market wants. Coaches need to prepare themselves better, learn new languages, work harder and have no fear to try something new. Clubs need to organize their finances, share the responsabilities with technical staff and have conviction to make a risky step into the realm of beautiful game, again.

    • @AmanSingh-gv8pj
      @AmanSingh-gv8pj 11 днів тому +1

      This is all facts and one of the main issues why the NT is struggling. It was horrible football against Uruguay and the team finished with 6 wingers. How on earth can this be. When someone wants to try something different, they are automatically ridiculed like Diniz. Bring back the diamond formations, second strikers, attacking full backs, approaches, proximity, asymmetry, diagonals - the coaches need to return to their roots

  • @capubjj
    @capubjj 19 днів тому +3

    They’re not incompetent, we just have a different style, that’s why they’re not popular in Europe, we do t play European style,
    The reason why we didn’t win anything in over 20 years in the World Cup is because our coaches stopped playing our style and started playing European style, they beginners, we have to start playing our style again, it’s beneficial to football itself, we need varieties!

    • @サッカーの王様ペレ
      @サッカーの王様ペレ 18 днів тому +1

      Brazil has never had a style of play, the 5 World Cups were won in completely different ways, from ultra-offensive teams to defensive teams like in 1994.

    • @capubjj
      @capubjj 18 днів тому

      @ yeah but I’m not talking about formation, you can do that, I’m talking about freedom to play and move in the pitch, and I’m talking about the national team, some clubs give a lottle bit of freedom to the players and it works very well, take for example Robinho, Gabriel Jesus and recently Vitor roque, they did very well in the Brazilian league, then they come to Europe and didn’t do well with the way they play in Europe,
      It’s normal, the same would’ve happened 30 years ago when we played the south American style if you brought Europeans to play in Brazil or Argentina for example

    • @notKevinFeige
      @notKevinFeige 18 днів тому

      @@capubjj tu ta chamando desornigação de estilo.
      O estilo europeu, começando pelo Mourinho foi exatamente pra parar os craques, e o futebol tatico so avançou dai, não é atoa que a gente não ganha mais mundial e que qualquer europeu fim de carreira ta vindo pra k e deitando

    • @capubjj
      @capubjj 18 днів тому

      @ desorganização agora né, acabei de falar q não temos estilo agora! E acabei de explicar pq o estilo deles funcionam, e só ler lá, já q vc usou o Mourinho, se ele e tão bom pq será q ele não tá no comando de nenhuma seleção, sobre os aposentados, não São só europeus, São jogadores de diversos países, mas vc tá falando da nata! A nata dos sul-americanos e dos europeus estão na Europa! Por isso vc acha q eles vem pra cá deitando, os regulares não vem e nunca viram pra cá deitando

    • @canalmusicaefutebol4587
      @canalmusicaefutebol4587 16 днів тому

      @@capubjj Tatically Football has changed man. This freedom to play does not exist anymore. Your words sound things said by Luxemburgo. The things change, Europe is the centre of football today, they give the rules. Our young talents go to Europe soon, do not stay here anymore.

  • @gabrielsm5866
    @gabrielsm5866 18 днів тому +2

    (04:06) I don’t know… I mean, sure, his greatest asset might have been his psychological stability and his philosophy, but when he took the role as Brazil’s manager, he quickly implemented a 5-defenders-line, giving freedom for both left and right back to attack and defend and opening space for Ronaldinho Gaúcho to transit between midfield and attack (some people consider him as the third attacker beside Ronaldo and Rivaldo and some consider him a midfielder, that shows exactly the level of freedom he had on pitch due to Scolari’s system)

    • @ThroneFC
      @ThroneFC  18 днів тому

      Thanks for pointing that out!

  • @Fred-nt6xb
    @Fred-nt6xb 17 днів тому +2

    Filipe Luis ended his career as a player at Flamengo in 2023. In 2024 he began his coaching career with Flamengo's under-17s, winning the Copa Rio. Soon after, he took over the under-20s and became world champion.
    After that, Tite (former coach of the Brazilian national team) was fired and Filipi Luis was hired. His first job with a professional team was Flamengo with 46.9 million fans. In 3 months he won the Copa do Brasil with the team playing well and beautifully. Commentators are predicting an overwhelming Flamengo in 2025. Filipe Luis is a Flamengo fan, has the respect of the players and the support of the fans. He is on the path to becoming a world-class coach.

  • @bobhebel4116
    @bobhebel4116 18 днів тому +2

    I wouldn't say Brazilian football is at a standstill. It's more like it has actually regressed. Neymar is phenomenal, but he is really the only exceptional Brazilian player of his generation. And as good as Neymar is, he is not quite as talented as Ronaldinho and Ronaldo were before him. It has been diminishing returns for Brazilian football since around the mid-2000s, when Alexandre Pato was billed as the next big Brazilian star. At the time, he was the leading youth player alongside Lionel Messi and Freddy Adu (!). Although Pato's football career did not crash and burn as spectacularly as Adu's, it too was a disappointment. His accomplishments on the football field are obviously not comparable to Messi's. Bottom line, Brazilian football does need a thorough rethink if it is ever again to produce World Cup winners. Patterning the Brazilian leagues after the better-structured Portuguese leagues indeed might be a good place to start.

    • @notKevinFeige
      @notKevinFeige 18 днів тому +1

      Pato's injury killed him

    • @ThroneFC
      @ThroneFC  18 днів тому +1

      I was so hyped about Pato as a kid! I thought he was going to take over the world, he was already one of Milan best players before he reached 20. But then injuries destroyed him...

  • @reneszeywerth8352
    @reneszeywerth8352 19 днів тому +3

    Actual I find it more shocking how the quality of their squad has degraded.

    • @Willian888Cardu-d6s
      @Willian888Cardu-d6s 19 днів тому +1

      We have the best national team in the world rn, it’s a downfall but we still the best

    • @reneszeywerth8352
      @reneszeywerth8352 19 днів тому +2

      @@Willian888Cardu-d6s FIFA Ranking #5. Eloratings #5. Most valuable national team (via transfermarkt): #3 (though most of it comes from Vini jr). CONMEBOL qualification for WC 2026: currently fifth. And Argentina being world champions and Copa America champions gotta hurt. Brazil is still very, very good, one of the top teams in the world but nowhere near the 2002 level when they pretty much had a legend of the game at every position. I mean you're in good company - same thing happened to Germany and Italy...

    • @ramonfrancois9306
      @ramonfrancois9306 19 днів тому +2

      ​@@Willian888Cardu-d6sBrazil has a couple of stars, but also a lot of mid level players in their starting 11. This team won't be able to beat Argentina, France, Spain, Portugal, England, Germany or the Netherlands (occasionally they might but not consistently)

    • @HotspurSkill
      @HotspurSkill 19 днів тому

      Rodrygo and vini jr are key players for the best club in the world Real Madrid.

    • @leandroteixeira33
      @leandroteixeira33 19 днів тому +1

      @@reneszeywerth8352
      The quality is still pretty much there. If you compare player by player, position by position, there isn't a single country that's unquestionably better (maybe England). The problem is collective.
      A few months ago, Brazil was at a serious risk of missing the World Cup. Squad depth can justify a defeat to Argentina, but Paraguay, Venezuela? Many of their best players are reserves in the brazilian league.

  • @dimmiandreus392
    @dimmiandreus392 18 днів тому +1

    Brazilian coaches that are sucessful are the one that motivational and leadership skills. Felipão, Tite, and Dorival play the roughly the same pragmatic football but their differential is that they can make their players play the best football of their lives.
    During the World Cup this became a problem. They could not motivate the player during World Cup and instead of the players playing the best football of their lives they played some of the worst. The inside the managers got to the players who were all scared of losing with trembling legs.
    I think Brazil is going to stop rejecting foreign coaches to the national team just so they can have a chance of winning again. This is a short-term solution. The long term solution would be to invest in coaching to improve the qualification of brazilian coaches like was done in portugal for example.

  • @MrEmanuel999
    @MrEmanuel999 14 днів тому

    I'm brazilian and this is sad, but true.

  • @gabrielcrescente1570
    @gabrielcrescente1570 13 днів тому

    Brasil is sick, not just on football...

  • @johnaarson
    @johnaarson 20 днів тому +6

    Another great video. However, even if your solution of forming Brazilian managers may be the solution to have possibly a couple or a handful of potentially great Brazilian managers in the future, they need an absolute revolution in their football. It's not just a manager problem that Brazil has. The owners and presidents of the clubs are shit, but we've known that for a long time now. The quality of the managers has been declining over the last few decades, and now even the players do not have the same quality they once had. And it's not just Brazil. The whole South American football standard is dropping. Hard. Their leagues are now absolute crap. The Brazilian teams dominate completely the Libertadores and even their teams are weak by European standards. I remember not that long ago that the South American champions faced every year the European champions in the Intercontinental cup and it would almost always be a tight match. Now it's just depressing.

    • @ThroneFC
      @ThroneFC  18 днів тому +1

      Maybe the Club World Cup marks a beginning of a new era. South American sides will have plenty of chances of facing european teams, not just a one-time final.

    • @johnaarson
      @johnaarson 17 днів тому

      @@ThroneFC Maybe, and I think South American teams might end up doing ok because the European teams should be on summer vaction at that time. Let's see. But, again, their problem is structural and It's getting worse.

  • @samdasneves69
    @samdasneves69 18 днів тому

    07:00 congrats dude! thas is what we feel about this comrade.

  • @Ngomes751
    @Ngomes751 19 днів тому +3

    Os técnicos brasileiros em sua maioria estão ultrapassados, querem se valer de esquemas táticos usados nos anos 2000 e tem uma soberba muito grande quando os questionam querendo mudanças. Sobre a crise na seleção brasileira ela é institucional, e isso acaba se refletindo em campo, a CBF faz de tudo para prejudicar o futebol brasileiro e o torcedor percebendo isto acabou se afastando da seleção brasileira, mais de 90% dos torcedores brasileiros não suporta quando tem data FIFA, todos preferem os jogos do seu time.

    • @sidneymar0507
      @sidneymar0507 19 днів тому +2

      Outro que acredita nisso de ultrapassado 😂😂😂

  • @prsancho
    @prsancho 19 днів тому +2

    Something changed after the 4-2-3-1 became the norm. If that’s correlation or causation, I don’t know. Still, it’s not the first time this happened. In the 50’s, for instance, we brought Hungarians in to put us up-to-date, and it worked.

    • @prsancho
      @prsancho 19 днів тому +3

      This time around, we are bringing the Portuguese. I think we soon will be with a new talented coaching generation.

    • @kadatheklund2904
      @kadatheklund2904 19 днів тому +3

      You are kinda correct, the problem is that Brazil plays like its 2005.

    • @prsancho
      @prsancho 19 днів тому

      @@kadatheklund2904, there were plenty of changes around that time, both tactically and structurally. It’s difficult to pinpoint the reasons for the stagnation.

  • @franckinho
    @franckinho 18 днів тому +1

    I understand and appreciate your analysis. But I think it’s a lot simpler. Brazilians coaches are trying to play European style football and it doesn’t work for us. We need to keep our core. Modern football does not use a 10 and the 10 has always been why we excel. European football does not focus on individuality and this destroys our biggest asset. Brazilians need to get out of their head that Europe knows best.

  • @ricardoalvesviana81
    @ricardoalvesviana81 16 днів тому

    The main problem is a combination of superb, thinking the coaches doesn't need to study, and the destruction of a good work on sub11+ categories.

  • @RodrigoDaFonte
    @RodrigoDaFonte 20 днів тому +4

    Was there any relevant brazilian coach?? one or two

    • @picachu_pei
      @picachu_pei 19 днів тому +1

      Tecnico do SP nos titulos de liberta e mundial deles(esqueci o nome dele) e Luxa que treinou até o Real Madrid

    • @prsancho
      @prsancho 19 днів тому

      When we were the world bosses, we had them. Eurocentrism is a new phenomenon.

    • @meirakaique8340
      @meirakaique8340 19 днів тому +2

      ​@@picachu_peiAndré Jardine and Thiago Motta

    • @MM-cb7hm
      @MM-cb7hm 18 днів тому

      ​@@picachu_peiTelê Santana?

    • @pedroemanoel3235
      @pedroemanoel3235 16 днів тому +2

      Zagallo, Felipão, Luxemburgo e Telê Santana

  • @ihxahdz
    @ihxahdz 7 днів тому

    Oddly enough, one of the best current brazilian managers is in Mexico. Andre Jardine made mexicos biggest club, America, a tricampeon and has cemented them as the best club in Mexico levels above everyone else.

  • @ricardotezza
    @ricardotezza 14 днів тому

    2024 season
    Botafogo played 75 games
    R.Madrid/Liverpool/M.City played 57 games
    There is no time for training in Brazil.

  • @Filpiovano
    @Filpiovano 18 днів тому +2

    Very good video, I agree 100% with your analysis. Brazilian coaches have no incentive to improve or adapt.
    If you also add in the fact that the CBF (the Brazilian FA) is one of the most corrupt entities in world football and the fact that players' agents hold immense power and through corrupt deals manage to get poor and average players big moves and salaries you undersatand that even coaches with some potential have little to work with and have to fight an unwinnable battle against a rigged system.

    • @ThroneFC
      @ThroneFC  18 днів тому +1

      The more I learn about Brazilian football, the more I hear bad things about CBF. But to be fair, most FAs are corrupt af.

  • @Ecologist_STALKER
    @Ecologist_STALKER 15 днів тому

    I'm from Brazil and I agree with this. Just take a look at Brazilian Football National League. Simply all the teams that are dominating the championship in the last years have foreign coaches - basically Portuguese and Argentines (MUCH better than Brazilians). Brazilian coaches are completely outdated. That is one of the reasons why Brazilian national team is crap today (Brazilian coaches). Brazilian supporters are already asking for foreign coach in the national team - urgently.

  • @marcorodrigues4584
    @marcorodrigues4584 17 днів тому

    Brazil is going down in many ways, and if you spend 60 years immersed in a cloud of corruption and incompetence, refusing to make the necessary reforms, you end up like everyone who avoids the future: with no way out.

  • @marciocorrea8531
    @marciocorrea8531 14 днів тому

    The Brazilian coaches LOVE to defend, play on the other´s side errors, obsolete in their strategies, and so on.

  • @LucasRibeiro-vu3cp
    @LucasRibeiro-vu3cp 16 днів тому

    Brazil is stuck in the 90s. Not only in football.

  • @SáviodaSilvaDias
    @SáviodaSilvaDias 16 днів тому

    I found amazing that the englishmen, the guys which literally created the sport swallow their pride and chose a german ( i know that before him they had Capello and Ericksson ) as their manager, in Brazil the simple sugestion of bringing a foreigner makes a lot of ppl meltdown and call it outrageous because ''we are the country of football" soi in their minds we are the bests by default, and the current manager is a joke, we're lucky if the Seleção reach the quarter finals next year...

  • @marcelomoura2151
    @marcelomoura2151 16 днів тому

    The last great manager in brazilian football was Vanderley Luxemburgo. In nows days, Fernando Diniz is the only one who tries to do a diferent things.

  • @nutelin1201
    @nutelin1201 17 днів тому

    Let's wait for Filipe Luis's development.

  • @janjaman
    @janjaman 17 днів тому

    Filipe Luis is a hope for the future

  • @canalmusicaefutebol4587
    @canalmusicaefutebol4587 16 днів тому

    Brazil has many good talents in coaching , however, these guys are not experienced the way they had to . They suffer to coach big teams in Brazil due to the pressure and the obligation to win. The Brazilian squad is the same, Dorival who is the coach now does not have the same preparation of these new coaches and , in my opinion, for the next World Cup , 2026, we need to hire a foreigner coach. Maybe from Portugal, because the language. The experienced Brazilian coaches are done. They are not capable to lead Brazil to win, with Dorival , Brazil will lose the World Cup again.

  • @AussieBenfica-tw3yz
    @AussieBenfica-tw3yz 20 днів тому +2

    When has a Brazilian coach won a major trophy outside of Brazil or South America. Yes World Cup but they have world class squads

    • @kadatheklund2904
      @kadatheklund2904 19 днів тому +3

      Excluding the Club World cup (or whatever the name is) you would be able to find some trophies, but like a long time ago, but the closest example would be Zico, who won the asian cup with Japan in 2004, and some national trophies with Fenerbace and CSKA. Felipão had a good spell in Portugal, but he feels like he is just late 30 years in football rn.
      Im not trying to disagree with you, just pointing the fact theres only exceptions. And the coaches are really bad, any average 2nd division coach from Eu is better (specially Portuguese).

    • @TheCowardRobertFord
      @TheCowardRobertFord 19 днів тому

      Otto Gloria won national titles at Portugal and took them to 3rd place in the WC, Carlos Alberto Silva won the league at Porto, Didi, Parreira and Zico were Turkish champions at Fenerbahçe,

    • @AussieBenfica-tw3yz
      @AussieBenfica-tw3yz 19 днів тому

      @ forgot Otto Gloria. Thanks

    • @サッカーの王様ペレ
      @サッカーの王様ペレ 18 днів тому +2

      Brazil continues to have a world-class team, but they have stupid coaches!

  • @unlimitedvic155
    @unlimitedvic155 14 днів тому

    Filipe Luís is coming to change this!!!

  • @thguzzo17
    @thguzzo17 18 днів тому +1

    This downfall is rooted in politics

  • @EduardoSantos-jb6sq
    @EduardoSantos-jb6sq 15 днів тому

    All 5 World Cups were managed for Brazilian coaches. Btw, all we see nowadays Zagalo and Tele Santana done before. No more.

  • @JosiahYTQuiravoFC
    @JosiahYTQuiravoFC 20 днів тому +1

    Can You Do The Rise And Fall Of Guangzhou FC, They Went From 2 Time AFC Champions League Winners To Bankrupt

    • @ThroneFC
      @ThroneFC  18 днів тому

      I thought you wanted me to make a video about North Korea's Female U17s.
      That's the most niche request I've ever received and I'm curious to know why you wanna watch me cover it. Do you follow North Korean football? That's fascinating

    • @JosiahYTQuiravoFC
      @JosiahYTQuiravoFC 18 днів тому

      @ I Don’t Follow North Korea Football, But I Heard North Korea Womens Win U20 And U17 Women’s World Cup In The Same Year.

  • @playlist9980
    @playlist9980 8 днів тому

    Not sure about the theory of Brazilian football's craziness. Argentinian football is actually more bonkers than Brazilian football yet Argentina produced Bielsa, Simeone, etc.

  • @xurrasco_021_fanpage
    @xurrasco_021_fanpage 16 днів тому

    Its an interesting trade-off, brazillian coaches suck and get sacked for portuguese ones but before Gyokeres any Serie B brazillian striker could top the scoring charts in the Primeira Liga

  • @meirakaique8340
    @meirakaique8340 19 днів тому +2

    When, Thiago Motta is Brazilian

    • @jda974
      @jda974 18 днів тому +2

      He was born in Brazil, however two things: he left for Europe when was 17 years old and has been living there since then and he has not done anything special yet, as a coach.

    • @andre2005XD
      @andre2005XD 18 днів тому +1

      ​@@jda974he brought bologna to the UCL

    • @LRaposo10
      @LRaposo10 17 днів тому

      @@jda974he’s doing well but wd probably go Italy as a coach unfortunately.

  • @leonesquierro4530
    @leonesquierro4530 14 днів тому

    The educational failure of Brazil (in all levels and aspects) is the main reason.

  • @R.a.f.a.e.l.
    @R.a.f.a.e.l. 17 днів тому

    Mark my words: next great manager coming from Brazil will be Filipe Luís.

  • @aminadoce
    @aminadoce 16 днів тому

    The solution is deemed impossible by the start of the video: they're incredibly arrogant.
    Almost every mid-club portuguese manager goes there, gets a huge financial leap, and then can either go back to Portugal or win the Libertadores (they won 4 of the last 6 editions, just for example).
    But what's often repeated not only on their football, but in their culture overall, like the xenophobia of "portuguese and argentinians are the scum of the earth", but unironically. They would rather train another arab side than "subjugating" themselves to a portuguese school (who's more than proven to be effective).
    Their players also earn millions in Europe; they are less than interested of doing the bare minimum for the national squad. Also, there's a huge refusal to host any foreign manager (unless it's a world-class one) on their NT. So they just keep occupying the vacancies with a minimum well known local manager, while the people there keep deluding themselves that they're the best in the world (until the first 3 losses came, and then he's a pariah again).
    The only thing that MAYBE could open their eyes is them not being the greatest world champions any more. I keep repeating this, their whole football pride stands on that 5 trophies. The right moment Italy or Germany equalises it, they will notice how back they have stayed.

  • @paulovitor-oliveira
    @paulovitor-oliveira 17 днів тому

    Thank you for mutty man is reality brazilian football is limited because for technican weakenss of selection is sad.

  • @vvmaas
    @vvmaas 17 днів тому

    Keep an eye on Filipe Luis

  • @lucaspinheiro1408
    @lucaspinheiro1408 20 днів тому +1

    João Saldanha era técnico de basquete agora?!?!?!

  • @JoaoV1tor
    @JoaoV1tor 18 днів тому

    I support Flamengo, the biggest team from RJ

  • @JoaoGabriel-vm8my
    @JoaoGabriel-vm8my 18 днів тому

    Well we have Thiago Motta in Juventus, but overall its true, we dont have good coachs like we used to

    • @ThroneFC
      @ThroneFC  18 днів тому

      He was born in Brazil, but he didn't receive the same education as brazilian coaches

    • @JoaoGabriel-dd7il
      @JoaoGabriel-dd7il 18 днів тому +1

      ​​@@ThroneFC Yeah, thats also a fair point - just pointed out with my comment that he is a good coach that was born here - i believe the only really good coach, and the most original we have, nowadays is Fernando Diniz, altough he is "green" and still improving his relationism philosophy, when the teams he coach actually clicks, they are very fun to watch

  • @lourencoteles8414
    @lourencoteles8414 19 днів тому +1

    Vai dar merda quando o r/futebol souber disto

    • @ThroneFC
      @ThroneFC  18 днів тому +1

      Pena eu não poder partilhar link lá ahah

  • @helciopugliese
    @helciopugliese 16 днів тому

    It might be true. However, it feels like a shallow analysis to me. There are so many reasons that brazilian coaches seem not to be up-to-date. Brazilian strong football culture is hard to change. People in Brazil don't cope well with European game style. By the way, what is exactly so revolutionary in the European coaches and their tactics but a very physical, fast-paced positional game, some times boringly robotic, based a lot on physiology? Brazilian game style is based on talent and skills. Physical games require a club to have a great infra structure for physiology, which costs a lot of money, definitely not the brazilian reality. You can add to that the brazilian League's organization system and governance by the Brazilian Football Federation (CFB). The clubs bad financial situation, the country size that make the teams take long flights to play(twice a week only for the national league), playing the average of 15 more games per season compared to European leagues, not to mention the colonization of the the young players to European teams(because money talks!) and so on.....with that said, I would challenge any Guardiola, Mourinho or Ancelloti to work within the same conditions as I mentioned and succeed. There's a lot to change in this environment before you do your next analysis

  • @playlist9980
    @playlist9980 8 днів тому

    So the England of South America then.

  • @joaodefreitas8617
    @joaodefreitas8617 18 днів тому

    Portugal 🇵🇹 took over

  • @fmodesto1
    @fmodesto1 20 днів тому +2

    Telê Santana?

  • @pablohabibefigueiredo7142
    @pablohabibefigueiredo7142 17 днів тому

    Tudo se deve à tragédia do Sarriá...

  • @RussGustavo
    @RussGustavo 15 днів тому

    " Irrelevant": Century XXI
    Brasil: 1 World Cup, 3 Confederations Cup, 3 Copas America: SEVEN TITLES. It is the only team that has NEVER been eliminated before the quarter-finals of a World Cup IN THE CENTURY.
    "Irrelevant"... Lol.

    • @ThroneFC
      @ThroneFC  15 днів тому

      @@RussGustavo Brazilian coaches are irrelevant. Not Brazil.

  • @Scorhos
    @Scorhos 16 днів тому

    This channel is from here Brazil or foreigner? How the Nazaré Tedesco math meme stopped here?

  • @cauekacperzak983
    @cauekacperzak983 17 днів тому

    Are you Brazilian or Portuguese? No demerits here, just asking because I believe you went into a technical point of view and there is so much more to it than just the technical. You are ignoring completely cultural and linguistic challenges we face in Brazil. Some of our coaches come from the same background as our players. Most of our population barely speak portuguese properly, now imagine if they can overcome the language barrier... It is very hard. Scolari suceeded in Portugal because he speaks portuguese. A reason why Portuguese and Argentinian managers are chosen to come to Brazil is just that. Portuguese speak the same language, and Argentinians are close enough to understand us even if they speak spanish... Now, if you go further into the cultural aspect, the manager position in Brazil is completely different from what it is in Europe. In Europe the manager, in any team, even working with the kids under-20, are focused on developing a system and the players. In Brazil managers have to worry about the psychological aspect of their players life. Some come from the favelas, family members and friends are involved in crime, some with family needs so great that they are constantly risking abandoning football to work, still as a kid. The adults are no better in the lower tiers as it pays poorly, and on Serie A when a kid gets a high paycheck he may become overwhelmed with the attention and riches the player position gives them... What I mean is, the manager position in Brazil is far from being only tactical and technical. That's why you won't see many, if any, foreign managers working in lower tiers of the Brazilian league... Most foreigners failed, and none revolutioned football. And I bet Jorge Jesus won't come back to Brazil at all to risk his reputation after the results he achieved with Flamengo in 2019, as it would be extremely hard for him to even get close to something like that once again. Abel Ferreira is due all credit, but Palmeiras also gave him time and continuity even when he won nothing. Wanderlei Luxemburgo is a great example of someone who changed brazilian football and failed in Europe, and I believe the reasons are the same. He is still considered by many retired players the best coach they ever had. But he could never adapt with european players and the way of working, the reality in Europe is too different from Brazil, and the way he treated players would never be accepted in Europe. So, this is much more specific than just being incompetent.... A lot of Brazilian managers have the tactical and technical knowledge crush most European managers. But they never will while our calendar is crazy as it is, while our players grow focusing more in surviving than in football itself, and while our managers/coaches are put in the position of father figure before being professional. I think if you go deep into these topics, you would have material for at least two more videos.

  • @axxessmundi
    @axxessmundi 15 днів тому

    Brazils own liability is there own arrogance and ignorance.
    Brazil has all the components to make a Ferrari in gold, platinum and diamonds on a daily basis but they don't have minds to create the engine for it. So they take a VW engine from 1970 thinking it will do the same. That's my analogy.
    Even when Brazil had good coaches like Muricy Ramalho he was impeded to coach the national by some mediocre club.
    Dunga....He's as inept as the character he is named after.
    Falcao...Falcao Gump
    Tite .. overrated because he beat Chelsea
    Mano Menezes probably the worst coach in club and national aspects. He's better off being a scout for youth.
    Mourinho, Guardiola, Abel Ferreira or Ancelotti know how to build a team.
    Brazil now needs to nationalize foreigners to be competitive amongst others.
    There's no attack no midfield no soul. Brazils is running low on talent because they have lost that hunger.

  • @EdmoTV
    @EdmoTV 18 днів тому +1

    I hope Felipe Luís cleans up the reputation of Brazilian coaches. He has a great chance of becoming Simenoe's replacement for Atlético de Madrid.
    It was very painful to watch Xabi Alonso's Leverkusen in the morning and my team (Flamengo) in the afternoon. Why Flamengo can't be like Leverkusen?? But now that Tite is out and Felipe Luís came, Flamengo matches are way more enjoyable to watch while also giving results.

  • @ItzakShylock
    @ItzakShylock 15 днів тому

    What about Wanderlei Luxemburgo? Lolol

    • @ThroneFC
      @ThroneFC  14 днів тому

      You must be kidding me🤣

  • @LanciaStratosZero
    @LanciaStratosZero 18 днів тому

    EVERYTHING Brazil is irrelevant... LOL

  • @mateus_gtrr
    @mateus_gtrr 18 днів тому +1

    Filipe Luis will be the next great brazilian coach, he won Copa do Brasil last season and now with Jose Boto helping him, expectations are high.

    • @ThroneFC
      @ThroneFC  18 днів тому +1

      If he's smart, he'll leave right after he wins the Brasileirão

  • @lxportugal9343
    @lxportugal9343 20 днів тому +1

    Isto foi um bocado à bruta.
    Às vezes é melhor usar uns paninhos quentes para evitar ofender...
    Mas também é verdade que quando o Jorge Jesus foi para lá, eu vi que havia qualquer que não batia certo, por muito bom que o JJ seja... aquele desfasamento todo era estranho.