κ. Γκάρεθ πολλά συγχαρητήρια για το σπουδαίο έργο σας! Ήταν τιμή μου που συνεργάστηκα με το Μεσογειακό Πανεπιστήμιο και το ΚΤΕ και σας γνώρισα από κοντά και διαπίστωσα πόσο σπουδαία είναι η αισιοδοξία και η καλοσύνη όταν συνδυάζεται με σπουδαίο επιστημονικό υπόβαθρο. Σας ευχαριστούμε, ως Έλληνες, για την σπουδαία σας έρευνα. Με εκτίμηση, Εφη Βετουλάκη
That is incredible, hearing a potentially accurately auditable version of Linear A in the Middle Minoan Period. I’m downright speechless. Congratulations on your work!!
Thank you Gareth Owens for a most interesting talk on the Phaistos Disc. I found it fascinating and well delivered, clear and precise lecture. Most of all interesting to me because I am studying Linear B Ancient Script writings.
I so loved it Garth ! I hope you remember me! I am Pad, we used to be colleagues at the Xanthakis Language School in the 90s! Remember me saying: -Yo, Garth? Keep up the excellent work ! Greetings to your wife !
2 things - (1) I'm willing to accept that it might be possible by pulling together evidence from many directions, to assign concrete syllables to the glyphs on the Phaistos disc - but I was really hoping to see some evidence as to how Gareth's team arrived at their reading. (2) Given that we have many repeating words and potentially word sequences (sentences) on the disc. I was wondering if anyone had considered comparing patterns at this level to e.g. Egyptian prayers or the Psalms, or any other mediterranean/mesopotamian bronze age prayers, magical incantations etc that we know about - perhaps there may be some relation between them... .
the greeks were bitterly jealous of the cretes and had no connection to them. The greek civilization is overvalued because it survived and influenced roman civilization. But the Minoan civilization was more beautiful and respectful of nature and people. It disappeared suddently by no fault of its own when the santorini island the center of the minoan civilization disappeared under the sea which is where the atlantis legend comes from. The greek were very jealous or would not have slurred and made the minautor story. They copied but artifacts and arts on crete islands show superiority of Minoans.
@@bluelithium9808 Ofcourse.......every body knows Minoans were early Brazilians, and not early Greeks. And of course you are a very very little man :--)))))
@@bluelithium9808 Minoans were pre-Greeks. Greek civilisation would not have been the same without Minoan. Classic Greek and Mycaenean Greek contained Minoan elements. Parnassos, Alikarnassos, Knossos for example (names of places and mountains).
No such thing as pre -Greek. If so, any invasion, settlement, influence which had any influence is pre Greek. Greece has been subjugated by so many for so long it's own identify is not what Greece thinks it is, certainly not much from classical Greece. Probably more similar to the Ottomans than classical Greece.
Translation of the Side A of the disk Chief god of all, our ruler. Chief god, you protect all of us. Come light’s spring, shine again Shine warm and glorious rays. Light up strong, our ruler. Shine warm and glorious rays. For our hot cover, to rise we pray. Sunlight, our dear ancestor mother, Help our ships sailing on the seas And all of us
@@joeytribbiani391 The Internet. Pity those silly people spending years trying to decipher the disk. All they had to do was search the Internet for the translation.
"The way forward doesn't just mean hard work, but teamwork". "We have been lost in the Labryinth". "I was born at the same hospital as Ser Mic Jagger". After 17 minutes of random statements like this, including how he has lost his hair over the years and how he worked very hard for six years to get to this point, he has an unnamed woman read the disc; without explanation of how she can read the ancient writing, nor of what the words can possibly mean. I really hope that six years of trying to decypher this ancient disc isn't what caused his completely random ramblings.....
This is 1/2 of the disk. The language is still speak in this day, it is a poetry. Të Egrit ujk, të drobitur e të uritur, iu zgjidh kërthiza duke pyetur, kur lihte egërsisht dhe kur angullinte pa përfilluar kohën. Cjap i lartë, me lesh të rrallë, gjuhën duke thyer, me të kënduar si egërsirë i thirri atij: ç’dashke tjetër, ndale ulërimën dhe përmbaje zemërimin. Si kërcimtar gjuhë kërce, zgjidhu dhe thirr tingëllimat, ato që zbulloi i Egri i bërë i madh.
@@researchclue2020 Albanians wish it were.. As they don't want to have anything to do with and to remember anything that connects them with their origins in Albania Caucasus, they decided to steal our history.. Such an audacious theft. Why doesn't your friend dare confront Owen at a Ted talk and writes comments to spread doubts to illiterate people instead?
It's infuriating that we heard the Linear A disc read, but not translated! Telling us it reminds him of a Patti Smith song doesn't tell us WHAT the disc says.
Perhaps if you knew your own language, you'd appreciate this more than you did. By all means, your life would have been better invested in seventeen minutes of Donkey Kong. Thank you for your keen insight.
There are at least two requirements for cracking an unknown script recording an unknown language: lots of it and some possible relationship to a known script/language. We have neither of these two for the Phaistos Disk.
There is a very interesting book by Steven Roger Fischer, titled "Glyph-Breaker," published in 1997 by Copernicus, an imprint of Springer-Verlag New York, Inc., where the author describes in detail and in a rigorous scientific way his deciphering of the Phaistos Disk. I am not an expert in linguistics (I am a professor of mathematics with a Ph. D. from Stanford University). In any case, to my opinion, Fischer's work seems very serious and thorough, and his deciphering sounds quite plausible. I wish the experts will pay more attention to this book.
I know (have) this book and found it very interesting, but never seen a reference to it in other literature. It was either ignored or considered as something being a personal vieuw on the matter, Fischer also translated the rongorongo script from Rapanui. It is hard to say whose interpretation is the most reliable one. At least it seems Fischer and Owens read one glyph as the same nl the "cookie"-glyf (PD 12) as "QE". I often hear the sound "Kureti" in the reading, Fischer used "Kuretes" which was very likely the name of the Minoan Cretans.
The disk from Phaistos to be read out from the side to the center as per the lines. Because the hieroglyphic texts from Egypt shall be read out from the side, where the figures are looking at. This text repeats the 12 times the groups of the two hieroglyphs in the text. It may be the subject of this text. He first hieroglyph is showing the man’s head in characteristic haircut, seen on the hieroglyphic texts of Ramses II and Merenptah , where identical heads mean the „the peoples of the sea” including „Peleset” that mean the Philistynes. The second hieroglyph in this repeated group of hieroglyphs is very similar to egyptian hieroglyph - exactly so called determinative- meaning the city or site. Reasuming, this group of two hierogliphs, which repeates 11 times in this text, can mean:” Cretans, Minoans, „ or the tribe belonged to so called „ people of the sea” as the Philistynians for example, who invaded and overcame the island Crete before they invaded the Egypt - and were defeated there. If this stipulations are valid, the text may be dealing with important issues relevant to Cretans, Minoans or the tribes, who have used this language on Crete between 1800-1450 BCE. If it is true, so the „ peoples of the sea” were knowing more about the Egypt , then the Egiptians about them. So it is possible, that this people were the seamen, with the broad contacts abroad. There is also one factor, not taken in account in such an considertaions: that this was the period, when the technology of ironmaking became more known to larger groups of the peoples, so it made the iron weapons more common in use ( Philistines from the Bible were already having the blacksmiths) , affordable, so suddenly appeared big groups of people prone to invade, and to attack for the spoil. And such a groups could be the „ sea peoples” who used the language and the linear A script .At island Crete there are also the settlements of Cretans, who have fled by the invaders to the mountains - and were living these longer time fearing for their lives. So this period 1800-1450 can be associated with the period of rules of the invaders, the „peoples of the sea” on Crete. Stary
Yes - at the time of this lecture - I don't know how much has been learnt about the language since. There are apparently 40 or so different glyphs on the disc. This is too many for an alphabet (where consonants and vowels are represented individually) , too few for an ideographic/logographic representation (where whole or partial words or concepts each have their own symbol - c.f. Chinese) but about the right number for a syllabary (where each syllable is represented with a different sign). Once you know that you can apply all sorts of different algorithms e.g. comparison of the glyphs with better understood and related sources (Linear-B), comparison with similar glyphs from different contexts, , searching for patterns which may represent known proper names/sound sequences (e.g. "Phaistos"), statistical comparisons of the frequency of symbols on the disc to sounds in modern and extinct languages etc... This will give you an approximation as to how [some of] the glyphs on the disc may have been pronounced but not their meaning, unless they correspond to a known language. Since they most likely correspond to the Cretan language spoken before the arrival of the Mycenaeans and replaced by them with an early form of Greek and thus not yet well known or translated, we can only guess at the meaning of the words in spite of being able to read them. For a translation you would need either a "Rosetta stone" or a large corpus of example documents - ideally both - neither of which we have at the moment.
the word that was read as "iqekurja" actually isn't read that way, it contains the sign of plumed head that is read as "se", but not "i", so whole interpretation made by Owens is completely freakish, he simply tries to impose certain widely spread ideas about Minoan culture to the text. also he ignores the fact that the block that was read as "iqekurja" contains five signs, but not four: the fifth sign is small stroke (it also should be considered as a sign). and finally I am to tell that Dr. Owens reads disc from wrong side, i.e.: the disc should be read outwardly, but not inwardly.
Superb! Thank you so much Gareth and the other scholars who invested their lives into understanding humanity's shared history. I suspect this will be more important than any human can yet understand. While listening to the reading of the disk, I felt like I could hear the roots of a number of distinct languages. It was educational and inspiring. Thank you! Of course, the pronunciation is crucial, and although the modern-equivalent definitions have yet to be fully delineated, your efforts have been a giant leap for human-kind.
Assuming that it was written in the same direction that it was read you can tell that it should be read from the outside in as the glyphs towards the middle show evidence of having been squished into the remaining space - i.e. the artist underestimated the amount of space needed for the full transcription. This would have happened at the end, not the beginning of the transcription.
@@julesgosnell9791 Also assuming that the disk isn't a modern forgery. The fact that material analysis to date it isn't being allowed means we can't even determine its age.
The script on the disc is older, than the idea used the first time in Ugarit records: one symbol on the script= one sound recorded. Previously it was not so obvious. That means, the symbols used in disc record are mainly the pictograms -with their meaning- not just the single sound, and the concept of the scripture is such as in the scriptures existing that time: for example in egiptian scripture- which was in big extent as the rebus. So it looks, that the disc from Phaistos recorded the important events from Crete related to Philistines (or the sea peoples) - as they are related to several times in text- seen from the viewpoint of the locals from Phaistos. And the separated fragments of the text are the recorded sentences, not single words. Stary
To me it seems to be a prayer to the mother Kundalini Shakti, the ascending vortical serpent. A deity that appears in so many cultures around the world, Quetzalcoatl in Mesoamérica, the reptile figures in cusco-puma-puccara Peru, the caduceus in ancient greek, the serpent around shivas neck, or the cobras on the pharaohs crowns even Jim Morrisons psychedelic trip in "the end" RIDE THE SNAKE... But one of the most important things i can find in this talk is the positive message about collaboration and the importance of constructive critics, using our consciousness nor as individuals but as a collective mind, if we cooperate with each other, rather than saying stupid retrograde, non-sense things, we can ascend, step by step in this infinite stairway to the so called "holy grial"... stairway to the truth... the WHOLE CONSCIOUSNESS... This is, at least to me, the real fruits of these kind of prayers.... This guy, as many around the world, invest their time, and efforts to give something to anyone who wants to expand their vision... The least we can do is to contribute with our perspective rather than our shit which you can find ALL AROUND THE WEB, share your insights, your experiences, your own interpretation. "A pleasure shared is a pleasure doubled, and a trouble shared is a trouble halfed" Peace.
You want to know the real story of the Phaistos Disc? I'm a time traveller and put it out there as a crossroads/teleportation to the past path for those connected to Snakes in which in return get the snakes they have burned off, and my Sea Serpent is placed around their neck, destroying their ships if they ever decide to steal too many animals. The ships come from the East, and are destroyed in the West.
This is just an hypothesis, but it seems like the disc is telling the history of two people with a combined fate. Each section is a memorable moment of their past. But Im no expert or haven't really studied decryptions or many language. I just like objects that tells a story.
You don't need to be a "licensed" expert like the rest of the commenters here. Creative insight is the core of human understanding. Your commitment to thought and sharing helps everyone. I'll bet Gareth would agree.
This looked some kind of game used to played with dices. you put in stones and you go forward backward. there are some guard and some warp points. and some stay still and wait for next move points. that's my theory...
Translation of the Side A of the disk---------------- Chief god of all, our ruler. Chief god, you protect all of us. Come light’s spring, shine again Shine warm and glorious rays. Light up strong, our ruler. Shine warm and glorious rays. For our hot cover, to rise we pray. Sunlight, our dear ancestor mother, Help our ships sailing on the seas And all of us
Difference between Phi and Pho in our Universe ref Phaistos disc.The past is about Tiamet/Nibiru demise and their ancestors on Gaia MBraithwaite Yorkshire Viking
The Holy Grail can be found through your own belief , depending upon that detail of yourself ? ! What is your devotional denomination that you may find the Answer to your belief ? Do you believe in a God of a particular text ? What denomination attracts you most ? ! Then go to that devotion and seek how they practice their teachings based upon your closeness to your belief ? ! The celebration of that Communion there you will find perhaps what you are looking for but again as the many , many warnings suggest Perfection is as easy as it is to be of Innocence. That is the Holy Grail in whatever devotion of a denomination attracts you ! ? Have a great eternity Y’all !
I want to know where all the Greeks are? We did a tour round the Greek islands including Crete - no Greeks! Where are they? That's the biggest mystery.
I get sick of commentators who have nothing constructive to say and instead insult a person's age, appearance, sexual orientation, or sexual practices (which cannot realistically be inferred). Grow up.
Also talking like they know more than a person that has studied it for over a decade lol I mean it is possible but not likely. Just an interesting talk here.
the disk was written in Cretan hieroglyphs ( according to mainstream archaeology from 2100 bc. ) . Same ideograms ( same or very similar ) were used by the ( same ) people of down egypt. so GET THE HIEROGLYPH LEXICON* , STARTING FROM THE CENTER OF THE DISK START TRANSLATING..... *Jean-François Champollion
the disk was written in Hieroglyphs = pelasgian dorian greek , ( and as we find minoan technology in the ships of the vikings millenia later , we find same greek ideograms in the Aztecs millenia later )
The script has more symbols than those required to be an alphabet, and less than those required to be an hieroglyphic script. It is definitely a syllabic script. Gareth Owns is walking on the right path.
@@Paraglidecrete ".....greek ideograms in the Aztecs....."???? what is your source? Could it be "My Big Greek Wedding"? First: the Aztecs did not use writing using ideograms. their writing never went beyond tagging names to places and people using a kind of rebus system. Second: The Maya's and before them the Olmecs did develop a writting system with ideograms and syllables and syntax. for instance the word for Jaguar was Balam, which could be written with a picture of the head of a jaguar an ideogram, or using the syllable ba, la and ma or a combination of both. And there was nothing Greek to it and I don't think there is a Greek word for any species of big cats that sounds remotely like "Balam".
@@kamion53 The connections are many , the Greek elements in the Atzecs are everywhere . Some of the exact same Cretan Hieroglyphs of the Phaistos Disk are found in shields of Atzec warriors here : worldhistoryorg Aztec_Warfare. Challenge me for more , a lot more . Cheers !
@@Paraglidecrete that's not a link btw, but so I had to use it as a searchterm and searching on the topic I found a picture of four Aztec wariors obvious coming the Codex Mendoza. One with shells as decoration and one with a step meander.. It's actually part of Folio 66v. A bit meagre so I turned to my own copy of the Codex Mendoza. However in the entire Codex with its extensive tribute pages showing the largest variations of shield, nothing Greek is showing up. I think it needs a wide stretch of imagination to equal the Phaistos glyf P12 with the shell decoration of the Aztec shield. The Aztecs knew what a shell looked like and did not to be instructed on that matter.
The disc looks like a type of MEHAN game. The coiled snake incised into clay and mixture of Hieroglyphic elements from various periods indicates it may be from the Roman period (the hand) ....or even maybe later?
At 17’ he acknowledged we are there to hear about the disk not about himself... then the disk is read in its original language. But we don’t know what it says. Simply useless.
Have u tried to read the stone starting from the center if u have noticed all the figures are faceing away from the center so maby thats how u shall read it.
not necesairely : Egyptian hieroglyphs also face in the direction as the text is to be read, same with Maya hieroglyphs, why should the Phaistos disc be different. It is very likely that the Minoans picked up the idea of writing from the Egyptians as there was intensive trade. They did not import Egyptian writing ( as the Japanese did the Chinese writing) but created their own hieroglyhs.
Ive been studying the disk for several years now and I believe I've deciphered it... its very simple to understand once you look at it outside the box. Ask me and ill tell you flat out what it says or is? It just makes sense when you see it.
can't help but wonder about the discs old mate Tsung apparently deciphered and was ridiculed, I've always viewed the majority of Chinese to be very honorable people and could not see a man from that period seeking infamy over such a find especially if it was false, the fact that the two discs subsequently disappeared only adds suspicion and I don't doubt that an expert in archaeology in his own country could decipher a code in 20 years, really doesn't seem that far-fetched.
Translation of the Side A of the disk Chief Chief god of all, our ruler. Chief god, you protect all of us. Come light’s spring, shine again Shine warm and glorious rays. Light up strong, our ruler. Shine warm and glorious rays. For our hot cover, to rise we pray. Sunlight, our dear ancestor mother, Help our ships sailing on the seas And all of us
@Rangsal Dechen as far as God's go, I'm pretty sure your Jesus was waaaayyyy late to the party.... Usually it's not wise to bash others beliefs when your own are just as strange in their own way... As for me, understanding the science and physics of what makes all of the life on this planet possible, should be mindbending enough for anybody to agree that just being here is quite the miracle and that life is something not to be taken for granted but embraced and encouraged and shared between all walks of life. The fact that we have all of this life here, all the different kinds of people and animals, vegetation and microorganisms, and we have yet to find life like this outside of our planet... That's the thing to talk about, to believe in. The fact that you're alive, I'm alive, there's this life all around us yet we're so caught up in what happens when we die. The true fact is that no one knows for certain what happens when we die, but we cling to what we imagine happens so tightly that we fight with others who disagree to the point where we belittle each other's very existence and miss out on all this opportunity with each other, here, on Earth while we're alive. Just a race to the end cause supposedly that's the good part. What happens when we die, is a belief to be held only within the individual and should have no bearing on ones decision to interact with another during our time spent alive. Let's not overlook the magnificence of life and make the most of this existence, holding hands together as we walk side by side into our future. Peace, love and understanding...
Am I missing something? From what I've found, they deciphered 3 words that mean basically the same thing... and according to this video, somehow they have someone who could actually read the disk in the ancient language but they don't have a translation of what it means? What? Seems like woo to me.. I mean, not saying this is what's going on here, but how often do people get labeled "experts" then lean into that title, assuming the average person isn't knowledgeable enough to verify or check their claims, just to grab a minute in the spotlight or make a few bucks... or, even to maintain some type of credibility in their world after dedicating their life to something with no solid results? It's just frustrating watching things like this and all those television shows that talk about ancient mysteries and such with claims of having answers, only to get through all the drama and hype and suspense, where you arrive at the end only to find that you're no more informed than when you started... I just wish people could be more honest about things like that especially when it comes to ancient artifacts and our history. The truth is so important that these things would be better left a mystery than for people to have an incorrect understanding of our past because of how it effects our present and future through our belief systems and overall motivation in life. Which, (treading lightly here), one could say is on display in full force, for all the world to see, in the case of these radical extremist groups who apparently kill people in the name of their religion.
Nobody accepts a challenge like this with the demand they provide every last detail all at once. If you were truly curious, or truly cared, you'd be learning what is taught, what is currently known, and you'd be satisfied and probably more productive. Delayed gratification is to be expected in understanding language with literally no precedence.
Επειδή από την εφηβεία μου είχα μαγευτεί από το Δίσκο της Φαιστού και ότι βιβλίο υπήρχε ή πληροφόρηση την ξετρύπωνα, η θεωρία της προσευχής ήταν η επικρατέστερη. Κατάφερα δε να βρω και το βιβλίο ενός καθηγητή γυμνασίου (την εποχή που κατάταφερα να τον βρω για να μπορέσω να προμηθευτώ το βιβλίο του ήταν ήδη υπερήλικας) και είχε κι αυτός την ίδια άποψη, και μάλιστα μεταφράζοντας τα σύμβολα. Πρέπει οπωσδήποτε να το βρω και να μεταφέρω τη μετάφρασή του η οποία είναι τουλάχιστον 30-35 χρόνων...
Λίγο υπομονή! Αν ήξερες τον ωκεανό βιβλίων που χρειάζεται να διασχίσω θα με καταλάβαινες... (εννοώ στο σπίτι μου και, δυστυχώς, επειδή υπάρχει ένδεια χρημάτων είναι αδύνατο να φτιάξω τη βιβλιοθήκη που τους αξίζει. Στιριμώχνονται στις τρεις υπάρχουσες, στα ράφια του δωματίου-ντουλάπας, σε άλλη ντουλάπα καταλαμβάνοντας πλήρως το χώρο, σε στοίβες σε όλα τα δωμάτια και ευελπιστούν ότι μέσα στο καλοκαίρι, θα μπορέσω να φτιάξω με τη βοήθεια φίλων έναν τοίχο βιβλιοθήκη για να ταξινομηθούν. Μόλις το βρω, πάντως, θα το δακτυλογραφήσω και θα το αναρτήσω εδώ
Μάλλον δε θυμάσαι σωστά και πρόκειται για βιβλίο-φάντασμα. Αλλιώς θα ήξερες στο περίπου τον τίτλο, το όνομα συγγραφέα ή θα είχες να πεις κάτι πιο συγκεκριμμένο για τα περιεχόμενα του βιβλίου.
"A pleasure shared is a double pleasure, a trouble shared is a trouble half". This is a cliché and has nothing to do with the Phaistos disk. Why talking about clichés? Your title is about some archeological mystery, not the story of your OWN life. Really sad human arrogance once again!
It means you know the syllables that match the symbols, but you don't yet understand the text itself. Just like you could read a German text - despite some pronunciation mistake, you could do that. But you wouldn't understand it.
One can recognized the symbols that mean certain sounds, and speak them, but not know what those sounds or symbols mean. It's a very basic requirement that has to happen before actual understanding, or written/spoken language means nothing.
Text of Phaistos disk refers to a conspiracy. The author of Phaistos disk addresses several individuals at the same time. Signs of the warrior and shield represented together are pronouns: the image of the warrior is pronoun ,,I''. the image of the shield is pronoun ,, you''. After these pronouns is the anthroponym. Decipherment by me text contains anthroponyms and toponyms similar to those found in B linear texts. for example: Aran - Its similar anthroponym is found in B linear texts : a-ra-na-ro Anar, Anarja - similar anthroponym in B linear texts: a-na-re-u Daoar - similar anthroponym in B linear texts: da-i-ra Ojatoaor - in B linear texts : o-ja-de Moteo similar anthroponym in B linear texts: ma-ta-i , ma-ta-u-ro. Jabeo similar in B linear texts: ja-pa-ra-ro. My book ,, Mediterranean Writings’’ contains matches of grammatical and lexical material Minoan And of Colchian ( Laz-Megrelian dialects) .The book contains matches of signs of Linear A and Pictograms of Georgia. The book is yet only in Georgian language.
Then you will have to explain howcome there are glyphs on the disc which at the time of its discovery were only known from the disc but have since been found on other contemporary objects discovered by archaeologists in situ around Crete. Or perhaps, this is all a grand conspiracy ?
the Phaistos Disc looks a lot similar to "Padmavyuham" a military strategy mentioned in the old Indian-Hindu mythology mahabharatham, even most of the symbols appear to be relevant to military warfare. kindly refer to the above reference.
Kind off... there is a resemblance. But the Padmavyuham has to have 7 rings of spirals. The phaistos disk has significantly less. What has been translated so far talks about a pregnant goddess so I doubt it had anything to do with the military. However I could be wrong as Greek goddesses also participated in war frequently.
It's a MENU ? A place made them to give to the servants of high ranking officials. The.servants couldn't read or write but they knew what their Master wanted by pointing at it. Are you kidding me that nobody sees the shapes of round bread loaf, half a loaf, fish, roasted lamb, fish and fowl? Vegetables and fruit? It's just so obvious when you look at it. The thin lines divide the meals. Everything like a mixed grill included everything in the bracket. Come On? Where's my research money now that ive solved this enigma? Move on gentlemen....go study unicorns.
Think its a disc from space not unlike ours, sending a CD playing tunes and the verbal word, Disc, but with an embossed written naming of each part of disc playing of disc and like our CD or LP , and sent out by the billions, the possibilities of another world many many light-years away, maybe deciphering ours, but unlikely this may miss a landing on a civilized type scale, the chance is more than he says, i think i may be wrong but that's what i think ;)
The most possessive snakes were already blinked into a Farm of their own, but there are no trees, plants, and flowers around since they weren't farmers and nothing for them to use as a connection to others.
Too many physical inconsistencies to be an authentic relic. Starting with everything is too perfect. Perfectly preserved when everything around is in pieces. This is too perfect for reality. It is a fabricated story.
Were it a fabricated story, it would have been easy to unserstand, in order to be driven to false conclusions about specific historical data. To what serves an incomprehensible text, at your opinion? What is it good for, uf noone can have a clue about it?
0:37 I use to be forgetful because of St.Valentine.I have a problem with a man who can't remember what he has done in the last 25 years and reads word for word a script to a camera. An actor who has come in to do a reading cut to ringers in audience that hang on ever word.The Israelites were read word for word the 10 commandments by Moses. The one who can read the SCRIPT!
This will help. Vertical/lateral. Writings the same as a title of what is written dates time of day. In the year of my lord. Songs of psalms. Book of Matthew. The gold disk we sent to space. It's simple code.
In terms of numbers of Ferraris per person in the US you mean? Or in understanding the nature of modern human evolution. Of course, if you care only for Ferraris, NOTHING else matters. Turn off your computer.
TheDoomWaffles + Oreozili Karagianni No, but it's like looking at a man with two heads:when he talks, whatever he says, you can't help but notice how he looks.
Monolog 0:00-17:45. Actual decryption starts at 17:55
THANK YOU life's too short.
Good on ya!
Thank you
Oh thank you so much!!
κ. Γκάρεθ πολλά συγχαρητήρια για το σπουδαίο έργο σας! Ήταν τιμή μου που συνεργάστηκα με το Μεσογειακό Πανεπιστήμιο και το ΚΤΕ και σας γνώρισα από κοντά και διαπίστωσα πόσο σπουδαία είναι η αισιοδοξία και η καλοσύνη όταν συνδυάζεται με σπουδαίο επιστημονικό υπόβαθρο. Σας ευχαριστούμε, ως Έλληνες, για την σπουδαία σας έρευνα. Με εκτίμηση, Εφη Βετουλάκη
Α, ρε Βετουλακαινα!
Δες και τον ουγγρο μελετητη Peter Revesz τι λεει για τη γραμμικη Α, να φριξεις..
That is incredible, hearing a potentially accurately auditable version of Linear A in the Middle Minoan Period. I’m downright speechless. Congratulations on your work!!
Thank you Gareth Owens for a most interesting talk on the Phaistos Disc. I found it fascinating and well delivered, clear and precise lecture. Most of all interesting to me because I am studying Linear B Ancient Script writings.
What video did you watch?
I so loved it Garth ! I hope you remember me! I am Pad, we used to be colleagues at the Xanthakis Language School in the 90s! Remember me saying: -Yo, Garth? Keep up the excellent work ! Greetings to your wife !
2 things - (1) I'm willing to accept that it might be possible by pulling together evidence from many directions, to assign concrete syllables to the glyphs on the Phaistos disc - but I was really hoping to see some evidence as to how Gareth's team arrived at their reading. (2) Given that we have many repeating words and potentially word sequences (sentences) on the disc. I was wondering if anyone had considered comparing patterns at this level to e.g. Egyptian prayers or the Psalms, or any other mediterranean/mesopotamian bronze age prayers, magical incantations etc that we know about - perhaps there may be some relation between them... .
you can tell that this man is a true supporter, by the way he mentions us, Hellenes. Thank you for your work Mr.Owens !
the greeks were bitterly jealous of the cretes and had no connection to them. The greek civilization is overvalued because it survived and influenced roman civilization. But the Minoan civilization was more beautiful and respectful of nature and people. It disappeared suddently by no fault of its own when the santorini island the center of the minoan civilization disappeared under the sea which is where the atlantis legend comes from. The greek were very jealous or would not have slurred and made the minautor story. They copied but artifacts and arts on crete islands show superiority of Minoans.
Greeks desperately try to claim the Minoans as early Greeks. Nope.
@@bluelithium9808 Ofcourse.......every body knows Minoans were early Brazilians, and not early Greeks. And of course you are a very very little man :--)))))
@@bluelithium9808 Minoans were pre-Greeks. Greek civilisation would not have been the same without Minoan. Classic Greek and Mycaenean Greek contained Minoan elements. Parnassos, Alikarnassos, Knossos for example (names of places and mountains).
No such thing as pre -Greek. If so, any invasion, settlement, influence which had any influence is pre Greek. Greece has been subjugated by so many for so long it's own identify is not what Greece thinks it is, certainly not much from classical Greece. Probably more similar to the Ottomans than classical Greece.
Translation of the Side A of the disk Chief god of all, our ruler.
Chief god, you protect all of us.
Come light’s spring, shine again
Shine warm and glorious rays.
Light up strong, our ruler.
Shine warm and glorious rays.
For our hot cover, to rise we pray.
Sunlight, our dear ancestor mother,
Help our ships sailing on the seas
And all of us
Source ?
What's on the B side? "Feelin' Groovy?"
Thank you
@@joeytribbiani391 The Internet. Pity those silly people spending years trying to decipher the disk. All they had to do was search the Internet for the translation.
"The way forward doesn't just mean hard work, but teamwork". "We have been lost in the Labryinth". "I was born at the same hospital as Ser Mic Jagger". After 17 minutes of random statements like this, including how he has lost his hair over the years and how he worked very hard for six years to get to this point, he has an unnamed woman read the disc; without explanation of how she can read the ancient writing, nor of what the words can possibly mean.
I really hope that six years of trying to decypher this ancient disc isn't what caused his completely random ramblings.....
This is 1/2 of the disk. The language is still speak in this day, it is a poetry.
Të Egrit ujk, të drobitur e të uritur,
iu zgjidh kërthiza duke pyetur,
kur lihte egërsisht
dhe kur angullinte pa përfilluar kohën.
Cjap i lartë, me lesh të rrallë,
gjuhën duke thyer, me të kënduar si egërsirë
i thirri atij: ç’dashke tjetër, ndale ulërimën
dhe përmbaje zemërimin.
Si kërcimtar gjuhë kërce,
zgjidhu dhe thirr tingëllimat,
ato që zbulloi i Egri
i bërë i madh.
Kjo eshte shqip...disku eshte shqiptar?
@@researchclue2020
Albanians wish it were..
As they don't want to have anything to do with and to remember anything that connects them with their origins in Albania Caucasus, they decided to steal our history.. Such an audacious theft.
Why doesn't your friend dare confront Owen at a Ted talk and writes comments to spread doubts to illiterate people instead?
10:30 is when it gets past most of the niceties and into the translating.
Thanks.
It's infuriating that we heard the Linear A disc read, but not translated! Telling us it reminds him of a Patti Smith song doesn't tell us WHAT the disc says.
I agree with you.
Skip to 17:30 and thank me later. Don't waist seventeen minutes of your life like I did
THANK YOU life's too short.
Perhaps if you knew your own language, you'd appreciate this more than you did. By all means, your life would have been better invested in seventeen minutes of Donkey Kong. Thank you for your keen insight.
"Please remember that... ´A pleasure shared, is indeed a pleasure doubled... and a trouble shared, it's a trouble half`".
Please remember that... "A pleasure shared, is indeed a pleasure doubled... and a trouble shared, it's a trouble half".
There are at least two requirements for cracking an unknown script recording an unknown language: lots of it and some possible relationship to a known script/language. We have neither of these two for the Phaistos Disk.
There is a very interesting book by Steven Roger Fischer, titled "Glyph-Breaker," published in 1997 by Copernicus, an imprint of Springer-Verlag New York, Inc., where the author describes in detail and in a rigorous scientific way his deciphering of the Phaistos Disk. I am not an expert in linguistics (I am a professor of mathematics with a Ph. D. from Stanford University). In any case, to my opinion, Fischer's work seems very serious and thorough, and his deciphering sounds quite plausible. I wish the experts will pay more attention to this book.
I know (have) this book and found it very interesting, but never seen a reference to it in other literature. It was either ignored or considered as something being a personal vieuw on the matter, Fischer also translated the rongorongo script from Rapanui. It is hard to say whose interpretation is the most reliable one.
At least it seems Fischer and Owens read one glyph as the same nl the "cookie"-glyf (PD 12) as "QE". I often hear the sound "Kureti" in the reading, Fischer used "Kuretes" which was very likely the name of the Minoan Cretans.
The disk from Phaistos to be read out from the side to the center as per the lines. Because the hieroglyphic texts from Egypt shall be read out from the side, where the figures are looking at. This text repeats the 12 times the groups of the two hieroglyphs in the text. It may be the subject of this text. He first hieroglyph is showing the man’s head in characteristic haircut, seen on the hieroglyphic texts of Ramses II and Merenptah , where identical heads mean the „the peoples of the sea” including „Peleset” that mean the Philistynes. The second hieroglyph in this repeated group of hieroglyphs is very similar to egyptian hieroglyph - exactly so called determinative- meaning the city or site. Reasuming, this group of two hierogliphs, which repeates 11 times in this text, can mean:” Cretans, Minoans, „ or the tribe belonged to so called „ people of the sea” as the Philistynians for example, who invaded and overcame the island Crete before they invaded the Egypt - and were defeated there. If this stipulations are valid, the text may be dealing with important issues relevant to Cretans, Minoans or the tribes, who have used this language on Crete between 1800-1450 BCE. If it is true, so the „ peoples of the sea” were knowing more about the Egypt , then the Egiptians about them. So it is possible, that this people were the seamen, with the broad contacts abroad. There is also one factor, not taken in account in such an considertaions: that this was the period, when the technology of ironmaking became more known to larger groups of the peoples, so it made the iron weapons more common in use ( Philistines from the Bible were already having the blacksmiths) , affordable, so suddenly appeared big groups of people prone to invade, and to attack for the spoil. And such a groups could be the „ sea peoples” who used the language and the linear A script .At island Crete there are also the settlements of Cretans, who have fled by the invaders to the mountains - and were living these longer time fearing for their lives. So this period 1800-1450 can be associated with the period of rules of the invaders, the „peoples of the sea” on Crete.
Stary
stop pulling stuff out of ur a$$
Holy cow. I'm at nearly 8 minutes in and it's still
"I want to thank my agent..."
Dude, please start talking about the Phaistos disc.
Am I correct in saying that though we have a reasonable approximation for the phonetic value of the signs, the language remains unknown?
Yes - at the time of this lecture - I don't know how much has been learnt about the language since. There are apparently 40 or so different glyphs on the disc. This is too many for an alphabet (where consonants and vowels are represented individually) , too few for an ideographic/logographic representation (where whole or partial words or concepts each have their own symbol - c.f. Chinese) but about the right number for a syllabary (where each syllable is represented with a different sign). Once you know that you can apply all sorts of different algorithms e.g. comparison of the glyphs with better understood and related sources (Linear-B), comparison with similar glyphs from different contexts, , searching for patterns which may represent known proper names/sound sequences (e.g. "Phaistos"), statistical comparisons of the frequency of symbols on the disc to sounds in modern and extinct languages etc... This will give you an approximation as to how [some of] the glyphs on the disc may have been pronounced but not their meaning, unless they correspond to a known language. Since they most likely correspond to the Cretan language spoken before the arrival of the Mycenaeans and replaced by them with an early form of Greek and thus not yet well known or translated, we can only guess at the meaning of the words in spite of being able to read them. For a translation you would need either a "Rosetta stone" or a large corpus of example documents - ideally both - neither of which we have at the moment.
@julesgosnell9791 this was clearer than the opening remarks themselves. Thank you.
the word that was read as "iqekurja" actually isn't read that way, it contains the sign of plumed head that is read as "se", but not "i", so whole interpretation made by Owens is completely freakish, he simply tries to impose certain widely spread ideas about Minoan culture to the text.
also he ignores the fact that the block that was read as "iqekurja" contains five signs, but not four: the fifth sign is small stroke (it also should be considered as a sign).
and finally I am to tell that Dr. Owens reads disc from wrong side, i.e.: the disc should be read outwardly, but not inwardly.
I'll have to come back to this in another time as a linguist☺
Superb! Thank you so much Gareth and the other scholars who invested their lives into understanding humanity's shared history. I suspect this will be more important than any human can yet understand. While listening to the reading of the disk, I felt like I could hear the roots of a number of distinct languages. It was educational and inspiring. Thank you! Of course, the pronunciation is crucial, and although the modern-equivalent definitions have yet to be fully delineated, your efforts have been a giant leap for human-kind.
This translation is completely wrong!
Why does it feel like it's being read backward? The heads and arrows all point toward the centre out. It is being read outside in.
Assuming that it was written in the same direction that it was read you can tell that it should be read from the outside in as the glyphs towards the middle show evidence of having been squished into the remaining space - i.e. the artist underestimated the amount of space needed for the full transcription. This would have happened at the end, not the beginning of the transcription.
@@julesgosnell9791Knowing human context structures, things only make sense in one direction.
@@julesgosnell9791 Also assuming that the disk isn't a modern forgery. The fact that material analysis to date it isn't being allowed means we can't even determine its age.
The script on the disc is older, than the idea used the first time in Ugarit records: one symbol on the script= one sound recorded. Previously it was not so obvious. That means, the symbols used in disc record are mainly the pictograms -with their meaning- not just the single sound, and the concept of the scripture is such as in the scriptures existing that time: for example in egiptian scripture- which was in big extent as the rebus. So it looks, that the disc from Phaistos recorded the important events from Crete related to Philistines (or the sea peoples) - as they are related to several times in text- seen from the viewpoint of the locals from Phaistos. And the separated fragments of the text are the recorded sentences, not single words.
Stary
Proud for my teacher
I believe it resembles a lullaby or a great tale read to a child because of the circular pattern it keeps the children's attention.
Uhhhh... and the disk says what ?
Mother, Mother Goddess, the word 'mother' is the most common. It's a prayer perhaps.
To me it seems to be a prayer to the mother Kundalini Shakti, the ascending vortical serpent.
A deity that appears in so many cultures around the world, Quetzalcoatl in Mesoamérica, the reptile figures in cusco-puma-puccara Peru, the caduceus in ancient greek, the serpent around shivas neck, or the cobras on the pharaohs crowns even Jim Morrisons psychedelic trip in "the end" RIDE THE SNAKE...
But one of the most important things i can find in this talk is the positive message about collaboration and the importance of constructive critics, using our consciousness nor as individuals but as a collective mind, if we cooperate with each other, rather than saying stupid retrograde, non-sense things, we can ascend, step by step in this infinite stairway to the so called "holy grial"... stairway to the truth... the WHOLE CONSCIOUSNESS...
This is, at least to me, the real fruits of these kind of prayers....
This guy, as many around the world, invest their time, and efforts to give something to anyone who wants to expand their vision... The least we can do is to contribute with our perspective rather than our shit which you can find ALL AROUND THE WEB, share your insights, your experiences, your own interpretation.
"A pleasure shared is a pleasure doubled, and a trouble shared is a trouble halfed"
Peace.
Aw gaw aw maw maw gaw aw
You want to know the real story of the Phaistos Disc? I'm a time traveller and put it out there as a crossroads/teleportation to the past path for those connected to Snakes in which in return get the snakes they have burned off, and my Sea Serpent is placed around their neck, destroying their ships if they ever decide to steal too many animals.
The ships come from the East, and are destroyed in the West.
"And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and "His" left "foot" on the earth."
And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man "child"
Nope.
fantastic talk! it openned me a way to dig. thank you
The circle with the seven dots represents the Pleiades.
I'm 15 min in, and he''s addressed himself and 15 topics - really frustrating, this one.
From over here, it seemed like a good use of time
Simply amazing.
This is just an hypothesis, but it seems like the disc is telling the history of two people with a combined fate. Each section is a memorable moment of their past. But Im no expert or haven't really studied decryptions or many language. I just like objects that tells a story.
You don't need to be a "licensed" expert like the rest of the commenters here. Creative insight is the core of human understanding. Your commitment to thought and sharing helps everyone. I'll bet Gareth would agree.
This looked some kind of game used to played with dices. you put in stones and you go forward backward. there are some guard and some warp points. and some stay still and wait for next move points. that's my theory...
i do think the same think it realy looks like it
Better theory than all this bs.
Why not, no one knows....other than the actual B is the same alphabet for another language...so A is not a language?
So exciting!!!
It took 6 years to come out with that? Come on, any mother would have known. Ask any three. SHARK.
I began the talk knowing nothing about the disk and finished the talk in the same state. Worst TEDX Ever.
They're all the worst. People pay for these?
Mmm, no. Worst listening skills ever. Or worst commitment to understanding ever? You choose.
Why is this disc in so perfect condition when everything around it is pieces? Too many questions of authenticity too be jumping to deciphering it.
Translation of the Side A of the disk---------------- Chief god of all, our ruler.
Chief god, you protect all of us.
Come light’s spring, shine again
Shine warm and glorious rays.
Light up strong, our ruler.
Shine warm and glorious rays.
For our hot cover, to rise we pray.
Sunlight, our dear ancestor mother,
Help our ships sailing on the seas
And all of us
the WORST ted talk Ive ever watched. 95 percent bullshit and 5 percent info.
Difference between Phi and Pho in our Universe ref Phaistos disc.The past is about Tiamet/Nibiru demise and their ancestors
on Gaia MBraithwaite Yorkshire Viking
The Holy Grail can be found through your own belief , depending upon that detail of yourself ? ! What is your devotional denomination that you may find the Answer to your belief ? Do you believe in a God of a particular text ? What denomination attracts you most ? ! Then go to that devotion and seek how they practice their teachings based upon your closeness to your belief ? ! The celebration of that Communion there you will find perhaps what you are looking for but again as the many , many warnings suggest Perfection is as easy as it is to be of Innocence.
That is the Holy Grail in whatever devotion of a denomination attracts you ! ?
Have a great eternity Y’all !
I feel it's a prayer song shared and passed around in a circle so everyone gets to sing and learn a part of it.
Lyrics
mzinimitable1 It's like the primitive Shazaam.
I mean, who knows? This could have been the precursor to even Buzzfeed.
There are too many professionals dissenting to except this as fact.
As I am watching this I have a disk of the same size he's holding in my hands same feel and everything. That's crazy
I want to know where all the Greeks are? We did a tour round the Greek islands including Crete - no Greeks! Where are they? That's the biggest mystery.
"Ancient" Greek culture was post-Minoan. Are you sure you paid attention in high school?
John Kean we are here for the last 5.000 years. But you are not that important for us to show up and greet you. Sorry
My people. Thank you, thank you, for your hard work.
You forgot the prayer hands emoji
I get sick of commentators who have nothing constructive to say and instead insult a person's age, appearance, sexual orientation, or sexual practices (which cannot realistically be inferred). Grow up.
Also talking like they know more than a person that has studied it for over a decade lol
I mean it is possible but not likely. Just an interesting talk here.
SJW alert. Not everyone is as sensitive as you.
Wow, now tell us how you really feel.
the disk was written in Cretan hieroglyphs ( according to mainstream archaeology from 2100 bc. ) .
Same ideograms ( same or very similar ) were used by the ( same ) people of down egypt.
so GET THE HIEROGLYPH LEXICON* , STARTING FROM THE CENTER OF THE DISK START TRANSLATING.....
*Jean-François Champollion
the disk was written in Hieroglyphs = pelasgian dorian greek , ( and as we find minoan technology in the ships of the vikings millenia later , we find same greek ideograms in the Aztecs millenia later )
The script has more symbols than those required to be an alphabet, and less than those required to be an hieroglyphic script. It is definitely a syllabic script. Gareth Owns is walking on the right path.
@@Paraglidecrete ".....greek ideograms in the Aztecs....."???? what is your source? Could it be "My Big Greek Wedding"?
First: the Aztecs did not use writing using ideograms. their writing never went beyond tagging names to places and people using a kind of rebus system.
Second: The Maya's and before them the Olmecs did develop a writting system with ideograms and syllables and syntax. for instance the word for Jaguar was Balam, which could be written with a picture of the head of a jaguar an ideogram, or using the syllable ba, la and ma or a combination of both. And there was nothing Greek to it and I don't think there is a Greek word for any species of big cats that sounds remotely like "Balam".
@@kamion53 The connections are many , the Greek elements in the Atzecs are everywhere . Some of the exact same Cretan Hieroglyphs of the Phaistos Disk are found in shields of Atzec warriors here : worldhistoryorg Aztec_Warfare. Challenge me for more , a lot more . Cheers !
@@Paraglidecrete that's not a link btw, but so I had to use it as a searchterm and searching on the topic I found a picture of four Aztec wariors obvious coming the Codex Mendoza. One with shells as decoration and one with a step meander.. It's actually part of Folio 66v. A bit meagre so I turned to my own copy of the Codex Mendoza. However in the entire Codex with its extensive tribute pages showing the largest variations of shield, nothing Greek is showing up. I think it needs a wide stretch of imagination to equal the Phaistos glyf P12 with the shell decoration of the Aztec shield. The Aztecs knew what a shell looked like and did not to be instructed on that matter.
He should dye his hair purple. It's a good look
Fascinating
"right".
The disc looks like a type of MEHAN game. The coiled snake incised into clay and mixture of Hieroglyphic elements from various periods indicates it may be from the Roman period (the hand) ....or even maybe later?
LoL Roman period? Hieroglyphics? It's from the bronze age around 16th milenia BC
At this point I don’t know if I should cry or laugh
It is clearly a song, hymn or incantation, try singing the prayer and it will make more sense.
Possibly there is a repetition and possible cadence. Not a Musician that'd be my brothers making me a natural born Critic. Cheers.
Amazing work.
astonishing! Thank you for sharing this!!
At 17’ he acknowledged we are there to hear about the disk not about himself... then the disk is read in its original language. But we don’t know what it says. Simply useless.
Cuneiform took 300 years to translate.
Have u tried to read the stone starting from the center if u have noticed all the figures are faceing away from the center so maby thats how u shall read it.
That's what I did first, but it sounded like a Beatles album.
not necesairely : Egyptian hieroglyphs also face in the direction as the text is to be read, same with Maya hieroglyphs, why should the Phaistos disc be different.
It is very likely that the Minoans picked up the idea of writing from the Egyptians as there was intensive trade. They did not import Egyptian writing ( as the Japanese did the Chinese writing) but created their own hieroglyhs.
it's very simple: the disk is not from festos, it's from baltic.
Baltic people knew how to write in Hieroglyphics?
Ive been studying the disk for several years now and I believe I've deciphered it... its very simple to understand once you look at it outside the box. Ask me and ill tell you flat out what it says or is?
It just makes sense when you see it.
What does it say?
hi I would like to know what does it say?
Does it play at 33 or 45?
can't help but wonder about the discs old mate Tsung apparently deciphered and was ridiculed, I've always viewed the majority of Chinese to be very honorable people and could not see a man from that period seeking infamy over such a find especially if it was false, the fact that the two discs subsequently disappeared only adds suspicion and I don't doubt that an expert in archaeology in his own country could decipher a code in 20 years, really doesn't seem that far-fetched.
Translation of the Side A of the disk Chief Chief god of all, our ruler.
Chief god, you protect all of us.
Come light’s spring, shine again
Shine warm and glorious rays.
Light up strong, our ruler.
Shine warm and glorious rays.
For our hot cover, to rise we pray.
Sunlight, our dear ancestor mother,
Help our ships sailing on the seas
And all of us
@Rangsal Dechen as far as God's go, I'm pretty sure your Jesus was waaaayyyy late to the party.... Usually it's not wise to bash others beliefs when your own are just as strange in their own way... As for me, understanding the science and physics of what makes all of the life on this planet possible, should be mindbending enough for anybody to agree that just being here is quite the miracle and that life is something not to be taken for granted but embraced and encouraged and shared between all walks of life. The fact that we have all of this life here, all the different kinds of people and animals, vegetation and microorganisms, and we have yet to find life like this outside of our planet... That's the thing to talk about, to believe in. The fact that you're alive, I'm alive, there's this life all around us yet we're so caught up in what happens when we die. The true fact is that no one knows for certain what happens when we die, but we cling to what we imagine happens so tightly that we fight with others who disagree to the point where we belittle each other's very existence and miss out on all this opportunity with each other, here, on Earth while we're alive. Just a race to the end cause supposedly that's the good part. What happens when we die, is a belief to be held only within the individual and should have no bearing on ones decision to interact with another during our time spent alive. Let's not overlook the magnificence of life and make the most of this existence, holding hands together as we walk side by side into our future.
Peace, love and understanding...
Bravo , but what dose it say?
It's appropriate for me to say "Watch this until you get it."
It is a calendar for maritime use !!!!
Am I missing something? From what I've found, they deciphered 3 words that mean basically the same thing... and according to this video, somehow they have someone who could actually read the disk in the ancient language but they don't have a translation of what it means? What? Seems like woo to me.. I mean, not saying this is what's going on here, but how often do people get labeled "experts" then lean into that title, assuming the average person isn't knowledgeable enough to verify or check their claims, just to grab a minute in the spotlight or make a few bucks... or, even to maintain some type of credibility in their world after dedicating their life to something with no solid results? It's just frustrating watching things like this and all those television shows that talk about ancient mysteries and such with claims of having answers, only to get through all the drama and hype and suspense, where you arrive at the end only to find that you're no more informed than when you started... I just wish people could be more honest about things like that especially when it comes to ancient artifacts and our history. The truth is so important that these things would be better left a mystery than for people to have an incorrect understanding of our past because of how it effects our present and future through our belief systems and overall motivation in life. Which, (treading lightly here), one could say is on display in full force, for all the world to see, in the case of these radical extremist groups who apparently kill people in the name of their religion.
Nobody accepts a challenge like this with the demand they provide every last detail all at once. If you were truly curious, or truly cared, you'd be learning what is taught, what is currently known, and you'd be satisfied and probably more productive. Delayed gratification is to be expected in understanding language with literally no precedence.
Επειδή από την εφηβεία μου είχα μαγευτεί από το Δίσκο της Φαιστού και ότι βιβλίο υπήρχε ή πληροφόρηση την ξετρύπωνα, η θεωρία της προσευχής ήταν η επικρατέστερη. Κατάφερα δε να βρω και το βιβλίο ενός καθηγητή γυμνασίου (την εποχή που κατάταφερα να τον βρω για να μπορέσω να προμηθευτώ το βιβλίο του ήταν ήδη υπερήλικας) και είχε κι αυτός την ίδια άποψη, και μάλιστα μεταφράζοντας τα σύμβολα. Πρέπει οπωσδήποτε να το βρω και να μεταφέρω τη μετάφρασή του η οποία είναι τουλάχιστον 30-35 χρόνων...
Μόνο που δεν είναι άποψη. Είναι η πραγματικότητα. Και ΓΑΜΑΕΙ!
Λίγο υπομονή! Αν ήξερες τον ωκεανό βιβλίων που χρειάζεται να διασχίσω θα με καταλάβαινες... (εννοώ στο σπίτι μου και, δυστυχώς, επειδή υπάρχει ένδεια χρημάτων είναι αδύνατο να φτιάξω τη βιβλιοθήκη που τους αξίζει. Στιριμώχνονται στις τρεις υπάρχουσες, στα ράφια του δωματίου-ντουλάπας, σε άλλη ντουλάπα καταλαμβάνοντας πλήρως το χώρο, σε στοίβες σε όλα τα δωμάτια και ευελπιστούν ότι μέσα στο καλοκαίρι, θα μπορέσω να φτιάξω με τη βοήθεια φίλων έναν τοίχο βιβλιοθήκη για να ταξινομηθούν. Μόλις το βρω, πάντως, θα το δακτυλογραφήσω και θα το αναρτήσω εδώ
Μάλλον δε θυμάσαι σωστά και πρόκειται για βιβλίο-φάντασμα. Αλλιώς θα ήξερες στο περίπου τον τίτλο, το όνομα συγγραφέα ή θα είχες να πεις κάτι πιο συγκεκριμμένο για τα περιεχόμενα του βιβλίου.
Psekse stin arvanitiki glosas
Mesa apo afti tin glosa tha apospasys ta sinvola !
@Μίνα Γκ. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😜😜😜😜😜😜
WHAT IS THE DISK FOR!!!!!!???????
Actually a phaistos disk is older than they thought
Πολλά ευχριστώ σου Κύριε Owens.
"A pleasure shared is a double pleasure, a trouble shared is a trouble half". This is a cliché and has nothing to do with the Phaistos disk.
Why talking about clichés? Your title is about some archeological mystery, not the story of your OWN life. Really sad human arrogance once again!
Atleast I just learn who discover DNA 🤦🏻♂️
Luwian possibly???
IT'S JUST ART!! Why isn't this possibility even mentioned?
Ποίος είχε αναλάβει την διοργάνωση του TedX στο Ηράκλειο?
What does he mean by ' to read doesnt necessarily mean to understand' ?'
It means you know the syllables that match the symbols, but you don't yet understand the text itself. Just like you could read a German text - despite some pronunciation mistake, you could do that. But you wouldn't understand it.
One can recognized the symbols that mean certain sounds, and speak them, but not know what those sounds or symbols mean. It's a very basic requirement that has to happen before actual understanding, or written/spoken language means nothing.
Text of Phaistos disk refers to a conspiracy.
The author of Phaistos disk addresses several individuals at the same time. Signs of the warrior and shield represented together
are pronouns:
the image of the warrior is pronoun ,,I''.
the image of the shield is pronoun ,, you''.
After these pronouns is the anthroponym. Decipherment by me text contains anthroponyms and toponyms similar to those found in B linear texts. for example:
Aran - Its similar anthroponym is found in B linear texts : a-ra-na-ro
Anar, Anarja - similar anthroponym in B linear texts: a-na-re-u
Daoar - similar anthroponym in B linear texts: da-i-ra
Ojatoaor - in B linear texts : o-ja-de
Moteo similar anthroponym in B linear texts: ma-ta-i , ma-ta-u-ro.
Jabeo similar in B linear texts: ja-pa-ra-ro.
My book ,, Mediterranean Writings’’ contains matches of grammatical and lexical material Minoan And of Colchian ( Laz-Megrelian dialects) .The book contains matches of signs of Linear A and Pictograms of Georgia. The book is yet only in Georgian language.
i decoded this
and it is completely understood.Totally different
Congratulations! I'll take your word for it.
MANOJ GADALE i am still trying trying to decode your levels of stupidity though. Can you help?
I believe this disc is modern & not a relic at all.
Then you will have to explain howcome there are glyphs on the disc which at the time of its discovery were only known from the disc but have since been found on other contemporary objects discovered by archaeologists in situ around Crete. Or perhaps, this is all a grand conspiracy ?
the Phaistos Disc looks a lot similar to "Padmavyuham" a military strategy mentioned in the old Indian-Hindu mythology mahabharatham, even most of the symbols appear to be relevant to military warfare. kindly refer to the above reference.
Kind off... there is a resemblance.
But the Padmavyuham has to have 7 rings of spirals. The phaistos disk has significantly less.
What has been translated so far talks about a pregnant goddess so I doubt it had anything to do with the military. However I could be wrong as Greek goddesses also participated in war frequently.
It's a MENU ? A place made them to give to the servants of high ranking officials. The.servants couldn't read or write but they knew what their Master wanted by pointing at it. Are you kidding me that nobody sees the shapes of round bread loaf, half a loaf, fish, roasted lamb, fish and fowl? Vegetables and fruit? It's just so obvious when you look at it. The thin lines divide the meals. Everything like a mixed grill included everything in the bracket. Come On? Where's my research money now that ive solved this enigma? Move on gentlemen....go study unicorns.
Are we sure that this was not a board game?
ABRACADABRA
It's more than most-obvious your ear is malfunctioning as your unlimited paranoid schizophrenic self does.
Think its a disc from space not unlike ours, sending a CD playing tunes and the verbal word, Disc, but with an embossed written naming of each part of disc playing of disc and like our CD or LP , and sent out by the billions, the possibilities of another world many many light-years away, maybe deciphering ours, but unlikely this may miss a landing on a civilized type scale, the chance is more than he says, i think i may be wrong but that's what i think ;)
The disc is a fake - and not a very good one at that. So, I find this video very entertaining.
And the snakes have been kicked out of being in The City.
The most possessive snakes were already blinked into a Farm of their own, but there are no trees, plants, and flowers around since they weren't farmers and nothing for them to use as a connection to others.
Since you guys seem to love going after brains so much, I just attached a Headcrab to the back of your heads.
Nobody's biting.
Too many physical inconsistencies to be an authentic relic. Starting with everything is too perfect. Perfectly preserved when everything around is in pieces. This is too perfect for reality. It is a fabricated story.
Were it a fabricated story, it would have been easy to unserstand, in order to be driven to false conclusions about specific historical data.
To what serves an incomprehensible text, at your opinion?
What is it good for, uf noone can have a clue about it?
wow good argument bro. It's not like we've found thousand of them
THE TRANSLATION IS WRONG.
The disk is not authentic. Carbon date it.
The story of Noah's arc
0:37 I use to be forgetful because of St.Valentine.I have a problem with a man who can't remember what he has done in the last 25 years and reads word for word a script to a camera. An actor who has come in to do a reading cut to ringers in audience that hang on ever word.The Israelites were read word for word the 10 commandments by Moses. The one who can read the SCRIPT!
This is popular because everyone wants to believe it, but it is a false relic. This is not a true artifact.
Archeologists are more concerned with fame & hero worship than the truth.
This will help. Vertical/lateral. Writings the same as a title of what is written dates time of day. In the year of my lord. Songs of psalms. Book of Matthew. The gold disk we sent to space. It's simple code.
Say that you know, what's the benefit?
In terms of numbers of Ferraris per person in the US you mean? Or in understanding the nature of modern human evolution. Of course, if you care only for Ferraris, NOTHING else matters. Turn off your computer.
Ο ΝΕΟΣ ΠΟΥ ΛΕΝΕ ΕΙΝΑΙ...... Η θΕΑ ΑΘΗΝΑ........ ΠΡΟΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ ΠΟΤΝΙΑ ....ΕΙΝΑΙ Η ΘΕΑ ΜΕ ΤΗΝ ΠΕΡΙΚΕΦΑΛΕΑ!!!!!!!!!
NHIΣ λεγοταν η θεα Αθηνα, οχι ΝΕΟΣ.
ΝΕΟΣ = ΓΕΝΙΚΗ ΤΗΣ ΛΕΞΗΣ "ΝΑΥΣ" Η ΤΗΣ ΛΕΞΗΣ "ΝΗΙΣ", ΔΗΛΑΔΗ ΣΗΜΑΙΝΕ ΑΥΤΟ ΠΟΥ ΛΕΜΕ ΣΗΜΕΡΑ "ΤΟΥ ΠΛΟΙΟΥ".
so what's the translation in English? Waste of time.
Waste of birth maybe, and not his. Re-watch, then re-read the comments until you get it.
@@davidk7544 Most of the comments agree with me. Waste of birth? What kind of a comment is that?
I want half of 14m and you keep the rest and let’s meet and I tell you the truth and what it means
21 minutes 23 seconds of non-sense. He should be arrested and put away for being so dumb. And that gay accent wtf is up with that?
Interesting. Thanks for sharing; Jesus Christ Bless! ;)
Did this man say that he is only FIFTY?!
OMG he looks about eighty!
OMG is this all you can make out of this talk?
So .. that is what you took away from this presentation? How old he looks?
TheDoomWaffles
+ Oreozili Karagianni
No, but it's like looking at a man with two heads:when he talks, whatever he says, you can't help but notice how he looks.
fair enough.... :)
***** lol, I suppose
You got to be kidding me. By far the worst TED speaker I have ever seen.
And you've seen three so far. Thanks for weighing in!