thanks for the vid, im one of ems lead auditor from Indonesia, and this vid broaden my views, as it might be different perception between each countries in understanding clauses. It is really tricky since there's no statement that 4.1 shall be documented, but since it is related to risk and opportunities 6.1.1 which shall be documented, practically, organization will have a document related to 4.1. Question, if they really dont have anything documented, can a verbal statement from auditee be noted as objective evidence for 4.1 fulfilment ? Thank youu
Great concept of linkages between clauses @robertus4008. Well done! If they really don't have anything documented for clause 4.1, you can accept a verbal statement as evidence as it is not a requirement to be documented at that clause (as you stated). However, you would still want to see evidence of that verbal statement carried forward into their Actions to address Risks and Opportunities (6.1) and even their Environmental Impacts (6.1.2) (which both do require documentation). If there is no evidence of these verbal statements carrying forward into the system and these other clause requirements, you could raise a nonconformance or observation (depending on the risk and situation) against those other clauses. I hope that helps. Regards Jackie
These videos are really comprehensive, thank you.
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This is definitely what I need. Thank you!
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thanks for the vid, im one of ems lead auditor from Indonesia, and this vid broaden my views, as it might be different perception between each countries in understanding clauses.
It is really tricky since there's no statement that 4.1 shall be documented, but since it is related to risk and opportunities 6.1.1 which shall be documented, practically, organization will have a document related to 4.1.
Question, if they really dont have anything documented, can a verbal statement from auditee be noted as objective evidence for 4.1 fulfilment ?
Thank youu
Great concept of linkages between clauses @robertus4008. Well done! If they really don't have anything documented for clause 4.1, you can accept a verbal statement as evidence as it is not a requirement to be documented at that clause (as you stated). However, you would still want to see evidence of that verbal statement carried forward into their Actions to address Risks and Opportunities (6.1) and even their Environmental Impacts (6.1.2) (which both do require documentation). If there is no evidence of these verbal statements carrying forward into the system and these other clause requirements, you could raise a nonconformance or observation (depending on the risk and situation) against those other clauses. I hope that helps.
Regards
Jackie