I really like how you add points in your round about designs that allow you run locos and then have the option to do shunting when the mood hits you. Use what you have is not a bad way to go. I have all N gauge track, N scale locos and rolling stock. Moving to 00 or HO would cost me a bit of cash so I’ll take a lesson from you and at the moment be satisfied with building new layouts with what I already have on hand. Cheers!
Exactly what put me off going back to n.....totally agree with your comments re price!.....space is also a problem for me,but with a bit of tidying and chucking out,I’ve managed to fit a reasonable size oo layout in the garage!....not ideal but not too bad.....looks like you have a bit of spare room for a fiddle yard,or possibly a branch line....I’m sure whatever you decide will be worth looking at !
Looking at your shed I wondered if you could run the loop around and behind your intended fiddle yard and do the shunting inside the loop or return the loop close to the other line and run your shunting in front. Just a thought. I'm really getting into the idea of a shunting area as well as a folded loop layout. Cheers.
My opinion is keep with 00 it has far more products, is still reasonably priced, Hornby Railroad Loco's starting around £70 brand new, I prefer second hand myself and have built up quite a collection over the years. My layout is a very modest affair and represents a rural light railway between end of WW2 and the sixties. I have a lot of fun no fancy electrics just two wires, hand operated points(all five of them), and hours of happy fun. Oh and if you still have them, I hope to purchase a couple of those tiny coaches soon. I think I shall have a go at the dieseil body kit this winter. All the best.
Good to hear from you Mike, was begining to get a bit worried, thought you might have picked up this bug. Layout looks great and you have the scope to extend if you tidy the place up but I shouldn't talk if you saw my shed you'd think yours was a palace.
Have you considered doing modular layouts like That Model Railway Guy so you can build and use different modules depending on space and mood. Might give you smaller projects within the bigger project and I think you would create some really great different modules.
@@BudgetModelRailways you could possibly do it on 3ft by 3ft squares and then have them clip together? Because then, you are able to have a massive layout but also store it away on a shelving unit?
Having seen the completed layout video first,i thought i`d go back to the beginning...Will watch the lot in order.Have given up on the idea of a shed railway now ...basically because of the Months,January/February...!!! ,(Freezing Cold) and the fact my track is steel.It even rusts a bit in the bedroom ! So,have now got a space back up in the bedroom at 7 feet long,and i am negotiating how wide.Four Feet mininum,but i am looking to stretch to 5..5 feet,if Katrina doesn`t notice,..As you know,i am All tri ang ,so similar thinking..Have so much stuff,i have to stick with what i have.I was VERY VERY tempted to dismantle Ten A penny last weekend,but have not done so,and have found a place in the same bedroom,where it can be stored on its side,and the long backscene board,actually used as a shelf for some ornaments,with a cloth on top of it....Can then pull it out,and put it on the bed,when i wish to use it..After all the work went into it,decided it was too hard to cut the layout up,plus it can be used again to display somewhere in the future.....Love this hobby..
Nice to see you back Mike,i missed seeing you pop up in my to watch box! I have seen this mentioned before about loft layouts,its either to hot or cold,and not everyone can afford to have expensive windows fitted or heating systems.I was i was toying with the idea of building a Kato Anerican style layout,but i just wont spend the kind of money they are asking.What ever you decide to do Mike always looks great!
Hi Mike. My late cousin used to have a nice TT layout that gauge wise, sits in between 'N' and 'OO'. It would be perfect for you space wise, but I don't seem to see TT rolling stock being advertised these days. Just thought I'd mention that as a possible option. Keep up the good work for us cramped enthusiasts. 👍
TT is the best and in my view was the way forward. It never took off in the UK and the range of rtr is incredibly small and hard to find. Euro TT is also hard to find and expensive
Mike. I've just typed in the words 'TT Gauge' on ebay and come up with 3,100+ different items including a selection of various locos, wagons, coaches and kits, most of which are quoted at reasonable prices. You must have been looking in the wrong places. Hope this helps. 👍
This looks to have lot of potential, the shunting goods yard area fits in very well. I particularly like the hill and that pillbox fits perfectly there😁👍
Thanks, we 3d printed it and put it in our range. They are very common round here due to the invasion threat in 1940, although often sited in hopelessly poor tactical positions!
I like how you've fitted a decent amount of shunting into the relatively small space. I'm currently working on n gauge box-file shunting layouts (using space parts) - I reckon I could get two different ones in a single (hinged and opened-up) foolscap box file with a 30cm 'fiddle yard'/headshunt attached on the side.
Belated response! Firstly, whilst I think the yard looks good in the video I wonder whether the kick back siding would work well in practice? Anything at he Provender store and probably in the coal yard would need moving to gain access. This might help to provide operator interest but might also become a faff. Perhaps you could get a siding off the loop (between the Deltic and the 4F) for a Cattle Dock which would then be accessible from the road? Secondly, I agree about the lack of reasonably priced locos in N. Years ago I read a quote about car building - “any engineer can build a great big car, it takes a genius to build a great small car”. I can’t help feeling it would be interesting if one of the companies who release the latest and greatest model with a detailed under frame that no one sees or working valve gear between the frames ( which no one sees) set their engineering skills to creating the cheapest loco they could which could be part of a set to get children started in N gauge. A child (and me!) doesn’t need a super detailed model - moulded on hand rails are good . They just need a basic model to fre their imagination.
With limited space you could make it a Country Halt station.Very short platform,small waiting room, Pagoda hut and water pump.Behind the station, a small goods yard. A lot of countryside.Just a thought.
Good luck with that mate. So long as you think it’s the way to go, then do it 👍 I know what you mean about N as it’s what has kind of what put me off. I am sure this will more than keep you happy as you develop the loft in parallel 😜🍻🍀
Great video Mike I like the track plan you have got for your layout. Intresting hearing your thoughts on N gauge. One day I will try it out but I'm sticking to HO at the moment.- Nicholas.
Nice, like some of your smaller layouts, currently doing one 920mm x 920mm after getting ideas from you, went from n to oo for the same reasons, also found servicing n locos too fiddly as i got older.
Your trackplan is interesting. I am considering a basic oval layout with removable buildings to be able to do either OO or HO depending on the mood (I model both scale, plus japanese N !) and I find your overall track pattern very smart. For N, I had modelled UK N for a while, but I had dropped due to reliability issues. Overall, HO or OO are not far away from N in terms of price, and I fancy the reliability and the possibility to do shunting/reversinf operations over having more things with the same footprint. It's more easy to manually uncouple in OO/HO than in N. It's noticeable with standard OO couplers, and I use Roco Universal ones either in OO and HO due to the combination of overall reliability, cheaper price than the Kadees, and possibility to uncouple manually everywhere with an inexpensive tool. Roco sells their plastic uncoupling paddle in their 50 couplings box, but a simple ice cream wood stick does the job too. Drawback : requires NEM couplers boxes or fiddling to put some on second hand models not having them... I hope I will finish the track of my "experimental" station this weekend, carboard base and Peco Setrack... Anyway, thanks for the videos. See you on the next one !
Seems to me this layout would offer you a couple other benefits. You can get the longer locos and rolling stock around it, though in short trains, but it seems small enough that the shorter stuff you have would look right at home.
Another nice video, something for the N gauge I found out recently but Lima once did their plymouth shunters (the budget loco you guys basically hyped up) in N gauge, I've seen they go for quite cheap so I think it would be pretty fun to have a tiny version of your lima shunter
I've always believed that TT was the best gauge. Unfortunately it never took off in the UK. Loads of Triang stuff from the end of steam / early diesel available on ebay though.
If you are modelling on a budget, N is pretty much out of the question. I returned to railway modelling when I retired a couple of years ago. State pension and not much else. I considered N because of available space but the prices, even of secondhand stuff, put it out of my reach. I managed to build up a decent collection of OO rolling stock through eBay (before the prices went silly) and some very decent continental HO stuff too which I can run on the same track. I've seen some lovely N gauge layouts but if you opt for N I think you'll soon get frustrated.
Sadly you are correct. The Peco N wagon kits are really cheap, the Kestrel N buildings are cheap, so far so good. Coaches are a bit pricey but ok. UK outline locomotives, just forget it. £50 for an old GF that won't run slowly or across points etc , £80+ for any kind of large diesel even second hand. I bought one Dapol 14x for £60 just so I could run something on my N shunting layout other than my freelance diesel on a Kato chassis. So that's the end of UK N, which is a shame as the scope for a scenic vista is so tempting. As you say frustrating.
Just wondering, fancy a old Poole Farish 4F at all? Was going to use it for a kit build but it's surplus to requirements now. Does run though could do with a service. Can also throw in some extra loco bodies as well (various engines). Unsure of price but if interested do let me know. As for cheaper N Gauge engines, you can find the occasional one here and there, have seen a Farish Castle for £50, a couple of Jintys for around £45, but yeah it's not great, do keep an eye on Lima and Minitrix items as they can be more affordable, a 2MT for £45ish for example. ~James
Thanks, to be honest I was really disappointed with the running of the Graham farish locos, esp given the price. I have found Dapol to be better but of course at a price
@@BudgetModelRailways I find the newer Farish stuff to run quite well, but they do cost an arm and a leg, Dapol are more affordable but their steam engines are sometimes iffy (though not stopped me buying them). For a good price and good runners there is also Union Mills, is a one man band and not everything is in at the time and detail is on the low side but they put both Farish and Dapol to shame in pulling power.
I guess it’s where I am lucky living in Canada with a huge finished basement where space is not an issue and heat and cold are fully controlled. I used to have an N scale and there is much to recommended about it until you start making buildings which have such small parts. I now have HO and it’s okay,I thought it would be better,I might go back to N Scale but if I do it will have to be a North American layout as importing locos,running stock and buildings is just too expensive.
Thank you again for some thing simple that l can start on my 1st lay out, you given me some simple ideas to start. Thank you again for you great easy to understand videos. Thank you.
I got some excellent minitrix class 27s in N gauge 18 months ago on eBay for £20. However, as you’ve mentioned, there eBay prices have got a little silly, including for items such as these…
Great little video mate,another dilemma ?? Whatever you end up with they always look good. Good luck and as long as you still enjoy tinkering keep at it !👍
What you could do is just buy the inexpensive n gauge locos and modify or rebuild the body from scratch to what you want. Just a thought. Good to see you again!
Can't find any inexpensive N gauge let locos lol. At least not compared to OO/HO. You can get non UK N very cheaply which just adds salt to the wound lol
@@joshuapanek277 to put on what chassis?!! That's what people forget with 3d printing you still need a motor chassis and that's what's so expensive in N, you would be breaking up a life boat to make a raft
@@joshuapanek277 they usually have different wheel arrangements but yes it's possible. Lots of work to design the body shell though. When I can pick up the OO equivalents for less than half of the N ones its a bit frustrating
Same dilemma I faced when returning to model railways over 20 years ago now. Should I revive and add to the OO collection I had as a youngster or start from scratch with N? In the end I stuck with OO as I wanted my old collection in use again, especially all the stuff no longer available new (Wrenn, Airfix, Mainline, Lima etc., some of it never run). No regrets, we are spoilt for choice with OO but N definitely has a big advantage for indoor modelling with limited space.
UK outline TT is extremely limited and hard to find. Triang produced about 3 locos and a few bits of rolling stock and that's it, and it's 40 years old. Euro TT is hard to find and very expensive. TT in my view is the best scale , but it never caught on in the UK
Hello Mike. Was about to ask size of layout but found the answer in your reply to another question. What radius curves are on this layout please. I was building a shunting layout after watching your other videos but have a little more room so am toying with a round and round with shunting in the centre. Cheers Steve
Thanks Mike. With my original idea being a shunting layout my locomotives at the minute are only 0-4-0s and 0-6-0s but will keep that in mind when I do get larger loco’s. Steve
No sorry, I will try and cover it in a later video. The roof is silver insulation foil and polystyrene sheets, covered with hardboard, the walls are foil, with MDF on the layout walls.
Nice interesting video. I to have layout in a shed. Please tell lining your what did you use also was it expensive or budget. Please keep doing the shed layout, for me be helpful
We used silver insulation foil and polystyrene sheet for the roof covered in hardboard. Walls are foil with MDF around the layout. We have a small heater for the winter and it's in the shade in the summer. It was done as cheaply as we could.
Great Video Mike! I really enjoyed it. Could be your new exhibition layout. How are the kits that i made for you coming along? Stay safe and well! Jack
@@railthefox1857 1st radius is 1st radius regardless of make, it's a standard. This is Hornby. The Lima straights are between Hornby short and double straights lengthwise.
In my view it's the ideal gauge. However UK outline is extremely limited, being just a few very old Triang models and the European stuff is hard to get and very expensive
'been tempted to scale up to HO for availability , ease of switching , and better pri¢e$ . HOWEVER ℹ've got boxes & boxes of N from the past 30 years - if it was made before 1996 *ℹ've got it* - - So ℹ Abide
I model in N but have to agree the price has become excessive almost like it is intent on committing suicide I for one have come to the conclusion my progress will be very slow now, but thankfully it is mainly scenic work left to do
I love the scenic possibilities esp how much infrastructure you can get in. But with even second hand diesels fetching double OO prices £100+ I just can't justify or afford the locos. It's such a shame when the Peco rolling stock kits and kestrel buildings are so cheap in N
I really like how you add points in your round about designs that allow you run locos and then have the option to do shunting when the mood hits you.
Use what you have is not a bad way to go. I have all N gauge track, N scale locos and rolling stock. Moving to 00 or HO would cost me a bit of cash so I’ll take a lesson from you and at the moment be satisfied with building new layouts with what I already have on hand. Cheers!
Exactly what put me off going back to n.....totally agree with your comments re price!.....space is also a problem for me,but with a bit of tidying and chucking out,I’ve managed to fit a reasonable size oo layout in the garage!....not ideal but not too bad.....looks like you have a bit of spare room for a fiddle yard,or possibly a branch line....I’m sure whatever you decide will be worth looking at !
I'm the same it's not ideal but it's what I have got. Yes the back point will go to a fiddle yard which might eventually become a branch
I think prices have gone mad ,great video all the best mate. Mark 👍🏻😀
Looking at your shed I wondered if you could run the loop around and behind your intended fiddle yard and do the shunting inside the loop or return the loop close to the other line and run your shunting in front. Just a thought. I'm really getting into the idea of a shunting area as well as a folded loop layout. Cheers.
My opinion is keep with 00 it has far more products, is still reasonably priced, Hornby Railroad Loco's starting around £70 brand new, I prefer second hand myself and have built up quite a collection over the years. My layout is a very modest affair and represents a rural light railway between end of WW2 and the sixties. I have a lot of fun no fancy electrics just two wires, hand operated points(all five of them), and hours of happy fun. Oh and if you still have them, I hope to purchase a couple of those tiny coaches soon. I think I shall have a go at the dieseil body kit this winter. All the best.
Good to hear from you Mike, was begining to get a bit worried, thought you might have picked up this bug. Layout looks great and you have the scope to extend if you tidy the place up but I shouldn't talk if you saw my shed you'd think yours was a palace.
Good to hear from you. Doug is very busy with A levels and has had the bug so video editing has been an issue
Have you considered doing modular layouts like That Model Railway Guy so you can build and use different modules depending on space and mood. Might give you smaller projects within the bigger project and I think you would create some really great different modules.
Aye, that’s a very good shout to be fair! :)
It's a question of having the space to store the modules, which I don't have
@@BudgetModelRailways you could possibly do it on 3ft by 3ft squares and then have them clip together? Because then, you are able to have a massive layout but also store it away on a shelving unit?
Believe me I have run out of every nook and cranny. I have three N gauge layouts, a HO layout and two OO
Great to see you back. Getting started on mine
Good to hear from you 👍
Hope all is going well and sounds like the printers are keeping you busy too which is great. Take care
Having seen the completed layout video first,i thought i`d go back to the beginning...Will watch the lot in order.Have given up on the idea of a shed railway now ...basically because of the Months,January/February...!!! ,(Freezing Cold) and the fact my track is steel.It even rusts a bit in the bedroom ! So,have now got a space back up in the bedroom at 7 feet long,and i am negotiating how wide.Four Feet mininum,but i am looking to stretch to 5..5 feet,if Katrina doesn`t notice,..As you know,i am All tri ang ,so similar thinking..Have so much stuff,i have to stick with what i have.I was VERY VERY tempted to dismantle Ten A penny last weekend,but have not done so,and have found a place in the same bedroom,where it can be stored on its side,and the long backscene board,actually used as a shelf for some ornaments,with a cloth on top of it....Can then pull it out,and put it on the bed,when i wish to use it..After all the work went into it,decided it was too hard to cut the layout up,plus it can be used again to display somewhere in the future.....Love this hobby..
Very much looking forward to your plans and progress. Space and cost always an issue we all share and very much sympathise with.
Nice to see you back Mike,i missed seeing you pop up in my to watch box! I have seen this mentioned before about loft layouts,its either to hot or cold,and not everyone can afford to have expensive windows fitted or heating systems.I was i was toying with the idea of building a Kato Anerican style layout,but i just wont spend the kind of money they are asking.What ever you decide to do Mike always looks great!
Hi Mike.
My late cousin used to have a nice TT layout that gauge wise, sits in between 'N' and 'OO'. It would be perfect for you space wise, but I don't seem to see TT rolling stock being advertised these days. Just thought I'd mention that as a possible option. Keep up the good work for us cramped enthusiasts. 👍
TT is the best and in my view was the way forward. It never took off in the UK and the range of rtr is incredibly small and hard to find. Euro TT is also hard to find and expensive
Mike.
I've just typed in the words 'TT Gauge' on ebay and come up with 3,100+ different items including a selection of various locos, wagons, coaches and kits, most of which are quoted at reasonable prices. You must have been looking in the wrong places. Hope this helps. 👍
Great Vids - Truly inspirational to see you facing the Same probs as we do out here and how you overcome them. Good job 👍🏻
Sold my n gauge as prices are crazy, and going to build something like this. I love it
Very kind thanks. I am continuing with N in a small way but using the Kato pocket line range as I simply can't afford UK outline
This looks to have lot of potential, the shunting goods yard area fits in very well. I particularly like the hill and that pillbox fits perfectly there😁👍
Thanks, we 3d printed it and put it in our range. They are very common round here due to the invasion threat in 1940, although often sited in hopelessly poor tactical positions!
@@BudgetModelRailways I think your military experience is showing, yours seems to be very well positioned!
I like how you've fitted a decent amount of shunting into the relatively small space. I'm currently working on n gauge box-file shunting layouts (using space parts) - I reckon I could get two different ones in a single (hinged and opened-up) foolscap box file with a 30cm 'fiddle yard'/headshunt attached on the side.
Sounds fun
I like the idea and look of this layout. Might build something in 009 as a table top layout.
I'm currently working on a similar 009 layout
Thanks for sharing! You have been inspirational in getting me to just get started on a layout! Hope you’re all staying safe in these trying times. 🙏
Thanks Robert, glad we could help. It's been a tough year for us so it's good to get to do some railways as a break from it all
Hello, another great layout,I'm in N gauge at the moment but I'm really tempted to do OO in the diesel era.
Agreed
Cheap cheerful and fun. Simplicity is everything ..well done
Very kind thanks
A nice spot to railfan your stable of OO scale locos. Enjoy!
Thanks that's the plan
I love the layout but I do love your 00 gauge videos and that is what brung me to this channel but it is your decision on that lovely video.
Belated response! Firstly, whilst I think the yard looks good in the video I wonder whether the kick back siding would work well in practice? Anything at he Provender store and probably in the coal yard would need moving to gain access. This might help to provide operator interest but might also become a faff. Perhaps you could get a siding off the loop (between the Deltic and the 4F) for a Cattle Dock which would then be accessible from the road? Secondly, I agree about the lack of reasonably priced locos in N. Years ago I read a quote about car building - “any engineer can build a great big car, it takes a genius to build a great small car”. I can’t help feeling it would be interesting if one of the companies who release the latest and greatest model with a detailed under frame that no one sees or working valve gear between the frames ( which no one sees) set their engineering skills to creating the cheapest loco they could which could be part of a set to get children started in N gauge. A child (and me!) doesn’t need a super detailed model - moulded on hand rails are good . They just need a basic model to fre their imagination.
With limited space you could make it a Country Halt station.Very short platform,small waiting room, Pagoda hut and water pump.Behind the station, a small goods yard. A lot of countryside.Just a thought.
That's pretty much where it's going
Good luck with that mate. So long as you think it’s the way to go, then do it 👍 I know what you mean about N as it’s what has kind of what put me off. I am sure this will more than keep you happy as you develop the loft in parallel 😜🍻🍀
Great video Mike I like the track plan you have got for your layout. Intresting hearing your thoughts on N gauge. One day I will try it out but I'm sticking to HO at the moment.- Nicholas.
Nice, like some of your smaller layouts, currently doing one 920mm x 920mm after getting ideas from you, went from n to oo for the same reasons, also found servicing n locos too fiddly as i got older.
Your trackplan is interesting. I am considering a basic oval layout with removable buildings to be able to do either OO or HO depending on the mood (I model both scale, plus japanese N !) and I find your overall track pattern very smart.
For N, I had modelled UK N for a while, but I had dropped due to reliability issues. Overall, HO or OO are not far away from N in terms of price, and I fancy the reliability and the possibility to do shunting/reversinf operations over having more things with the same footprint. It's more easy to manually uncouple in OO/HO than in N. It's noticeable with standard OO couplers, and I use Roco Universal ones either in OO and HO due to the combination of overall reliability, cheaper price than the Kadees, and possibility to uncouple manually everywhere with an inexpensive tool. Roco sells their plastic uncoupling paddle in their 50 couplings box, but a simple ice cream wood stick does the job too. Drawback : requires NEM couplers boxes or fiddling to put some on second hand models not having them...
I hope I will finish the track of my "experimental" station this weekend, carboard base and Peco Setrack... Anyway, thanks for the videos. See you on the next one !
The older UK N is awful, newer Dapol is better but at a price! Have fun with your layout I have often contemplated a similar idea
Could always go for a resin printed 00-9 layout with some 00 in between. The Kato chassis are making 00-9 very affordable!
I have a 009 project started using our own 3d printed bodies
Seems to me this layout would offer you a couple other benefits. You can get the longer locos and rolling stock around it, though in short trains, but it seems small enough that the shorter stuff you have would look right at home.
Thanks that's the plan
Thanks that's the plan
I reccomend using some Metcalfe station kits, make them modular, and it could look better than superquick
I find the Metcalf kits too big for smaller layouts, I prefer the smaller plastic kits as it adds to the sense of space
@@BudgetModelRailways I agree with you, but if your doing an urban end-to-end in about 2013-1994 they work well.
I also have a very small board around the size of Market Town and its just being planned currently, Nothing glued down
Albeit about double the baseboard size
Another nice video, something for the N gauge I found out recently but Lima once did their plymouth shunters (the budget loco you guys basically hyped up) in N gauge, I've seen they go for quite cheap so I think it would be pretty fun to have a tiny version of your lima shunter
They can be quite pricey, esp as the Kato chassis is now epic at about the same price
I've always believed that TT was the best gauge. Unfortunately it never took off in the UK. Loads of Triang stuff from the end of steam / early diesel available on ebay though.
Having massive collection of oo gauge stuff leads to great things and possibility are endless love the deltic is it lima meld 55003 d9003
Yes it's the little ma one
Great channel guys learnt a lot 🏴
Great, thanks for watching and commenting
Love the layout looks good so far
If you are modelling on a budget, N is pretty much out of the question. I returned to railway modelling when I retired a couple of years ago. State pension and not much else. I considered N because of available space but the prices, even of secondhand stuff, put it out of my reach. I managed to build up a decent collection of OO rolling stock through eBay (before the prices went silly) and some very decent continental HO stuff too which I can run on the same track. I've seen some lovely N gauge layouts but if you opt for N I think you'll soon get frustrated.
Sadly you are correct. The Peco N wagon kits are really cheap, the Kestrel N buildings are cheap, so far so good. Coaches are a bit pricey but ok. UK outline locomotives, just forget it. £50 for an old GF that won't run slowly or across points etc , £80+ for any kind of large diesel even second hand. I bought one Dapol 14x for £60 just so I could run something on my N shunting layout other than my freelance diesel on a Kato chassis. So that's the end of UK N, which is a shame as the scope for a scenic vista is so tempting. As you say frustrating.
Just wondering, fancy a old Poole Farish 4F at all? Was going to use it for a kit build but it's surplus to requirements now. Does run though could do with a service. Can also throw in some extra loco bodies as well (various engines). Unsure of price but if interested do let me know.
As for cheaper N Gauge engines, you can find the occasional one here and there, have seen a Farish Castle for £50, a couple of Jintys for around £45, but yeah it's not great, do keep an eye on Lima and Minitrix items as they can be more affordable, a 2MT for £45ish for example.
~James
Thanks, to be honest I was really disappointed with the running of the Graham farish locos, esp given the price. I have found Dapol to be better but of course at a price
@@BudgetModelRailways I find the newer Farish stuff to run quite well, but they do cost an arm and a leg, Dapol are more affordable but their steam engines are sometimes iffy (though not stopped me buying them).
For a good price and good runners there is also Union Mills, is a one man band and not everything is in at the time and detail is on the low side but they put both Farish and Dapol to shame in pulling power.
I guess it’s where I am lucky living in Canada with a huge finished basement where space is not an issue and heat and cold are fully controlled. I used to have an N scale and there is much to recommended about it until you start making buildings which have such small parts. I now have HO and it’s okay,I thought it would be better,I might go back to N Scale but if I do it will have to be a North American layout as importing locos,running stock and buildings is just too expensive.
Thank you again for some thing simple that l can start on my 1st lay out, you given me some simple ideas to start. Thank you again for you great easy to understand videos. Thank you.
You are more than welcome , glad we could help, all the best with your layout
I got some excellent minitrix class 27s in N gauge 18 months ago on eBay for £20. However, as you’ve mentioned, there eBay prices have got a little silly, including for items such as these…
They currently sell for between £40-60 , £20 was a more realistic price. I can still pick up Lima class 33 in OO for less than £30 by comparison
I´m biased to 00 so my opinions won´t have much merit but I do hope you continue with this.
also idea for a name: Homewood Moore
I am going to continue with it as I have so much OO rolling stock and locos
Great little video mate,another dilemma ?? Whatever you end up with they always look good. Good luck and as long as you still enjoy tinkering keep at it !👍
Thanks
Sorry for all the questions. Is there a fiddle yard on this layout?
There is now, there wasn't originally, I show it in the later videos. Happy to answer as many questions as you have
What you could do is just buy the inexpensive n gauge locos and modify or rebuild the body from scratch to what you want.
Just a thought.
Good to see you again!
Can't find any inexpensive N gauge let locos lol. At least not compared to OO/HO. You can get non UK N very cheaply which just adds salt to the wound lol
@@BudgetModelRailways You could 3D print UK style bodies for the non UK chassis???
@@joshuapanek277 to put on what chassis?!! That's what people forget with 3d printing you still need a motor chassis and that's what's so expensive in N, you would be breaking up a life boat to make a raft
@@BudgetModelRailways The chassis of a "cheap non UK" locomotive with the original shell removed.
@@joshuapanek277 they usually have different wheel arrangements but yes it's possible. Lots of work to design the body shell though. When I can pick up the OO equivalents for less than half of the N ones its a bit frustrating
Same dilemma I faced when returning to model railways over 20 years ago now. Should I revive and add to the OO collection I had as a youngster or start from scratch with N? In the end I stuck with OO as I wanted my old collection in use again, especially all the stuff no longer available new (Wrenn, Airfix, Mainline, Lima etc., some of it never run). No regrets, we are spoilt for choice with OO but N definitely has a big advantage for indoor modelling with limited space.
What about TT Gauge? Loads out there if you look.
UK outline TT is extremely limited and hard to find. Triang produced about 3 locos and a few bits of rolling stock and that's it, and it's 40 years old. Euro TT is hard to find and very expensive. TT in my view is the best scale , but it never caught on in the UK
Hello Mike. Was about to ask size of layout but found the answer in your reply to another question. What radius curves are on this layout please. I was building a shunting layout after watching your other videos but have a little more room so am toying with a round and round with shunting in the centre. Cheers Steve
Hi Steve, it's 1st radius, it's surprising what will go round it, but newer larger locomotives wont
Thanks Mike. With my original idea being a shunting layout my locomotives at the minute are only 0-4-0s and 0-6-0s but will keep that in mind when I do get larger loco’s. Steve
Please remind us the size of the shed.
Was kitting it up with electricty a problem?
The shed is about 8x12 feet but the layout is only 160x80 cm. Power was put in by an electrician many years ago
Do you have a vid on how you insulated your shed ?
No sorry, I will try and cover it in a later video. The roof is silver insulation foil and polystyrene sheets, covered with hardboard, the walls are foil, with MDF on the layout walls.
Nice interesting video. I to have layout in a shed. Please tell lining your what did you use also was it expensive or budget. Please keep doing the shed layout, for me be helpful
We used silver insulation foil and polystyrene sheet for the roof covered in hardboard. Walls are foil with MDF around the layout. We have a small heater for the winter and it's in the shade in the summer. It was done as cheaply as we could.
Buying s/hand is the way to go...had some great bargains if you box clever?
What size is the layout? Looks brilliant .
It's 160x82 cm, thanks
Great Video Mike! I really enjoyed it. Could be your new exhibition layout. How are the kits that i made for you coming along? Stay safe and well! Jack
It's not moveable and very heavy! Not had chance to look at them yet sorry, too many projects , too little time
What were the dimensions of this original board again?
I will have to check and get back to you
hi haw long and wide is the bord is on and wat track u suing
Hi it's 160x80cm on a large piece of 20mm melamine from an old desk top. Track is set track 1st radius
@@BudgetModelRailways thanks it the track lima or hornby
@@railthefox1857 a mix of Hornby, Lima and peco
@@BudgetModelRailways ok but is the 1st radius lima or hornby it just i like the track plane and want to replicate it
@@railthefox1857 1st radius is 1st radius regardless of make, it's a standard. This is Hornby. The Lima straights are between Hornby short and double straights lengthwise.
Have you ever considered tt gauge?
In my view it's the ideal gauge. However UK outline is extremely limited, being just a few very old Triang models and the European stuff is hard to get and very expensive
Possible garden budget layout?
It's an option lol
Neat! What are the dimensions?
Thanks, it's 160x 80 cm
'been tempted to scale up to HO for availability , ease of switching , and better pri¢e$ . HOWEVER ℹ've got boxes & boxes of N from the past 30 years - if it was made before 1996 *ℹ've got it* - - So ℹ Abide
good vid on the layout keep up the good vids
Thanks
Are those British engines?
Yes it's a Class 25 diesel by Hornby
@@BudgetModelRailways neat
I model in N but have to agree the price has become excessive almost like it is intent on committing suicide I for one have come to the conclusion my progress will be very slow now, but thankfully it is mainly scenic work left to do
I love the scenic possibilities esp how much infrastructure you can get in. But with even second hand diesels fetching double OO prices £100+ I just can't justify or afford the locos. It's such a shame when the Peco rolling stock kits and kestrel buildings are so cheap in N
Well there we have it, the word from budget model railways is ngauge isn't budget. Shame but understand your reasoning.
The buildings and rolling stock are very budget using Kestrel and Peco, the locos are a different matter, at least compared to OO
You just have too much space.