Leyla Gencer - Assoluta - from Lyric Colorature to Contralto

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  • @WilsonWatt-q2e
    @WilsonWatt-q2e 8 місяців тому +2

    She was both a great vocalist and a fine actress. I saw her at the Rome Opera as Alceste and she was perfect in that challenging role. Her voice is unique in its range and expressive impact and her technique is second to none.

  • @eberlinpascal2837
    @eberlinpascal2837 3 роки тому +6

    Une magnifique artiste ,un grand talent ,une technique vocale et une étendue de registre phénoménale .Comme Callas .

  • @seduardorosales81
    @seduardorosales81 Рік тому +7

    Leyla was not a assoluta, because she cound't sing contralto repertoire. She always Said that She was a Lyrics Soprano. And that's the reason she improve her pianissimos, in a time where everybody singer sang f. As she began singing heavy roles like Santuzza, her voice took on a darker timbre. Unlike others, Leyla has always had a well-developed chest voice and has always said in an interview that the use of chest voice in singers is something natural and important. The difference is that as her age advanced and her timbre changed, she entered heavier roles where the use of lower tessituras is evident with the use of the chest voice. Apart from that, we have the interpretative power of this great Diva who, for me, was without a doubt the greatest of the century. Different from many who sought to be a character that they didn't sustain for a long time. Leyla was herself, sang and enchanted many people and left a great legacy in music even though she was not a recording artist.

  • @Flaviat57
    @Flaviat57 14 років тому +31

    Why, why, why, every time we are before great singers like Madame Gencer, someone LAWAYS has to bring out Callas? Agreed that she was good, but others, like Leyla Gencer, were just as great. I wish people stopped comparing artists. Every single one of them is unique, and most of them are just as good!

  • @operabilia
    @operabilia 7 років тому +9

    It's amazing, and more than sheer volume, it's the intensity, the pathos, the high-voltage commitment that one can feel. And her almighty class.

  • @lanao.287
    @lanao.287 2 роки тому +6

    К сожалению, никто не отмечает, что у Лейлы Генцер кроме очевидного величия и разнообразия голоса было то, что ее особенно выделяло. Это колоссальная теплота и главное, красота тембра. Радужностью красок ее голоса невозможно насладиться. В каждой секунде ассоциируешь ее голос со своими чувствами. Т.е. в нем была абсолютная красота в сочетании с глубокой человечностью выражения. Это ее отличало от всех великих. Неземная, глубокая притягательность...

  • @OscarGraumusico
    @OscarGraumusico 10 років тому +21

    Gran soprano Turca // A great Turkish soprano.

  • @eberlinpascal2837
    @eberlinpascal2837 4 роки тому +2

    Une voix illimitée ,comme Callas .Quelle grande artiste .C'était l'époque bénie où l'on pouvait entendre de grandes divas .

  • @VladaSunlight
    @VladaSunlight 14 років тому +9

    Absolutely amazing vocal range!!!

  • @sezgin86
    @sezgin86  15 років тому +11

    I read somewhere that she was in fact a lyrico spinto soprano and did not have a natural chest voice but adopted it later. Her ability to widen her tesittura is mesmerizing...

    • @jasonblack4208
      @jasonblack4208 8 місяців тому

      She trained with Apollo Granforte for a time. If it wasn't there before, it would be there after!

  • @jocmuc
    @jocmuc 13 років тому +6

    gencer ist die primadonna assoluta des letzten jahrtausends. ihre intelligente rollengestaltung
    und der unglaubliche farbenreichtum ihrer stimme macht sie über jede kritik erhaben.
    ungesungene rollen liegen entweder daran dass man es ihr nicht anbot,
    oder dass sie einfach kein interesse daran hatte. ich glaube nicht, dass es eine rolle gab,
    die sie nicht hätte singen können.
    auch wenn ich leider zu spät geboren bin, um sie noch auf der bühne zu erleben,
    ich kenne ihr reportoire. phänomenal

  • @eberlinpascal2837
    @eberlinpascal2837 3 роки тому +3

    Sa Lucia est la meilleure de toutes les cantatrices du 20 e siècle .

  • @salmonfire
    @salmonfire 13 років тому +3

    her vissi d'arte is stunning!

  • @sezgin86
    @sezgin86  14 років тому +8

    @ioSonoCallas I don't understand the reason why you call it aberration. This video shows the vocal color, register and timbre of Gencer. Her ability to adapt her voice to the roles is, for me, interesting. I just tried to show her assoluta soprano voice here.

  • @sezgin86
    @sezgin86  14 років тому +10

    @gery666 Heavy and powerful are the qualities that make the voice dramatic or lyric. It's the timbre and the color and many other things that qualifies the vocal type. It's difficult to classify Callas's voice as she had a very wide timbre for a soprano. However, I read a book about the voices and it said the assoluta voice is neither lyric nor dramatic, something in the middle; with easy low and high notes and agile as a colorature. Gencer, for me, fits for this description better than Callas.

  • @LABARITONESSA
    @LABARITONESSA 8 років тому +10

    QUESTO VIDEO E' INCIUSCIATO! LA GENCER NON E' MAI STATA NE UN MEZZO E NE UN CONTRALTO! SEMPLICEMENTE USAVA LE RISONANZE DI PETTO CHE NON SONO DEVI VERI E PROPRI GRAVI.

  • @sezgin86
    @sezgin86  15 років тому +7

    Infact she was interested in making commercial recordings but the recording companies were not interested in her. It's due to her idiosyncratic quality of her voice (dark and cloudy), the reign of Callas and Tebaldi and she did not have a manager to make contacts with the recording companies... The short parts I used from various operas do not show the real color of her voice as they are recorded with primitive tapes...

  • @sezgin86
    @sezgin86  14 років тому +8

    @Flaviat57 This what I also wonder very much. Everyone sees Callas ideal for every opera even thoug her voice is not appropriate for them. I hope everyone will see other beauties in the opera history and appreciate them.

    • @iraklijanashia5567
      @iraklijanashia5567 5 років тому +1

      They see but are going to listen others, I do the same :) wonder why? after years of listening opera I can clearly tell that Maria Callas had most imperative tonal qualities even when projecting subtlety (not denying that voice was big, agile, versatile or even beautiful) and listener goes down on knees. This is fact I think. I adore them both in the same extent!

  • @raigekimaru
    @raigekimaru 14 років тому +2

    wow. her lyric coloratura sound is even bright.

  • @Operacrazed
    @Operacrazed 5 років тому +4

    A marvellous representation of a very great and underrated soprano. Though your vocal categorisations are very inaccurate.

  • @tonshaad1230
    @tonshaad1230 10 років тому +13

    I didn't to be the one but Callas should've performed with Ms. Gencer. Both are some grand assolutas.

    • @wilsonwatt9283
      @wilsonwatt9283 6 років тому +3

      Yes, imagine for instance Callas as Norma and Gencer as Adalgisa or vice versa; or alternating as Lady Macbeth; or alternating the soprano and mezzo roles in Roberto Devereux or in Aida or Vanessa. It would have been amazing. I heard both of them live and the dramatic impact of each was due to the voice, the technical mastery, and the extra capacity for dramatic interpretation.

    • @artdanks
      @artdanks 5 років тому +3

      @@wilsonwatt9283 Or together in Maria Stuarda, alternating as Maria / Elisabetta.

    • @stefanodallasen796
      @stefanodallasen796 9 місяців тому

      Concordo.
      Sentendole sembrano quasi due sorelle.
      Meraviglioso

  • @sandorkonya8005
    @sandorkonya8005 5 років тому +8

    In my opinion
    Gencer never was a dramatical soprano she said herself been a lyrical Soprano able to sind dramatical and coloratura
    I think she was a great artist who uses coloring her voice depending what she sang.Here very good Technics allowed her to sind all this different roles.
    If she would felt tobe a dramatic soprano I m sure she would have accepted offers like Turandot which she always declined
    Just my opinion
    I love here most right after Callas !!!

  • @ioSonoCallas
    @ioSonoCallas 14 років тому +11

    Madam Leyla Gencer was one very great artist whom I like very much, but this video is an aberration! You should not confuse color, and vocal register! Leyla Gencer was unquestionably what we call big lyric soprano but his artistic temperament allowed him to approach a vast repertory!

  • @genceratafan
    @genceratafan 11 років тому +1

    She is surely rated as dramatic colaratura. and I agree with Cetinkaya's comments.

  • @sezgin86
    @sezgin86  14 років тому +2

    @raigekimaru Her voice had a great feature at the beginning of her career(when she sang mostly lyric coloratura). It had a blooming beauty.

  • @michaelroberts6894
    @michaelroberts6894 5 років тому +10

    Let’s just say Gencer was great, Callas was great, Milanov was great , as were many others. Why does one have to be greater than another?

  • @sezgin86
    @sezgin86  13 років тому +3

    @intelegentable She sang at almost every big opera house
    around the world except the Met.

  • @TheDarkSongbird
    @TheDarkSongbird 11 років тому +8

    Based on these audio clips, I can tell her voice changed its color for different vocal approaches.

    • @eberlinpascal2837
      @eberlinpascal2837 3 роки тому +1

      Oui c'est exact .On entend la même chose chez Callas.

  • @sezgin86
    @sezgin86  14 років тому +3

    @harpguy18 And that makes her an assoluta singer. She was not a mezzo or contralto but used her chest voice and had a large timbre while singing low note. Just compare her low notes and Beverly Sills's low notes and you'll understand what I mean ;)

  • @sezgin86
    @sezgin86  12 років тому +3

    i didnt mean that she can sing mezzo soprano or contralto roles. i just meant that she can sing the low notes quite clearly in soprano roles which are mostly require an assoluta voice.

    • @patrickgallagher3513
      @patrickgallagher3513 3 роки тому

      I think you are confusing a type of technique with the type of soprano voice. Just because a lyric soprano sings with an open lower register (Which all should in my opinion) doesn't mean that the voice gets heavier or automatically able to encompass different roles.

  • @ioSonoCallas
    @ioSonoCallas 14 років тому +3

    @sezgin86 I agree, this video is interesting but it's false to say when her voice is dark she's "contralto", in the middle she's "mezzo", when it's clear she's "lyric", when she vocalizes she's "coloratura".... Leyla Gencer had a soprano voice with dark and clear colors. She was "assoluta" yes, but she would never have been able to sing Dalila, Azucena, Ulrica or the queen of the night, Zerbinette, Blondchen....
    Sorry if I was impolite, it wasn't my intention.

  • @rosekokose2031
    @rosekokose2031 Місяць тому

    ❤❤❤😊😊😊❤❤❤

  • @Dadacomero
    @Dadacomero 10 років тому +2

    yeah right...
    Gencer : soprano lirico leggero. (she said that herself, many times)

  • @Yitzhakhazak
    @Yitzhakhazak 7 років тому +5

    Instead of quarelling about her voice type - lyrica, coloratura, spinto, drammatica or whatever you must accept that a well-trained voice together with the natural gift can sing in many shades. It all depends on the mood of the singer versus the part to be sung.

  • @operastud82
    @operastud82 15 років тому +1

    This is great...but it's too much of a teaser!! Please post the full recordings in the future if possible...especially the Idomeneo at the beginning! I'm dying to hear her sing that!!

  • @maryvallettakeith6146
    @maryvallettakeith6146 4 роки тому

    It would be really helpful to list the arias included in this compilation.

  • @sezgin86
    @sezgin86  15 років тому

    You can find most of the arias on youtube and Idomeneo is one of them ;)

  • @Flaviat57
    @Flaviat57 14 років тому

    @sezgin86 I agree with you, totally.

  • @sezgin86
    @sezgin86  14 років тому +5

    it wouldnt be wise to call her a total mezzo or contralto. however she was able to sing the lower registers easily as heavy as a mezzo or sometimes even as a contralto. so she was a assoluta. of course she could not sing carmen as a mezzo.

  • @ioSonoCallas
    @ioSonoCallas 12 років тому

    Ah! All right, i understands now! ;)

  • @raigekimaru
    @raigekimaru 14 років тому +3

    @sezgin86
    I agree. callas could sing spinto and dramatic soprano and mezzo/contralto quite well, but she was never a coloratura. the first recording of Callas I heard was her Tosca with Gobbi. I was new to opera and she actually made me think that Tosca was a contralto role! she had agility, but she was not coloratura soprano. Gencer is more balanced. all parts of her voice sound natural and easy. Callas could do it, but not naturally, hence her extremely short career

    • @lanao.287
      @lanao.287 2 роки тому

      лучший комиентарий. :-)

  • @sanjalukic6334
    @sanjalukic6334 5 років тому +1

    Can you put the list of the arias?

  • @BEVER29
    @BEVER29 12 років тому

    Impressionnant répertoire! même si du coté colorature les limites sont flagrantes.

  • @muzaffermalkoc926
    @muzaffermalkoc926 2 роки тому

    Could anyone tell me what is the aria at 3.28?

    • @sezgin86
      @sezgin86  2 роки тому +1

      Non so, Monte Ivnor

  • @Musicplayah123
    @Musicplayah123 10 років тому +1

    Hello! What is the aria that starts around 1:07? It sounds beautiful!

  • @Idrisun
    @Idrisun 11 років тому +1

    Can anyone name the opera from which the part 0:40 - 1:06 is from? I think I've heard it before, just can't remember the name! Thanks!

  • @nathandavis3002
    @nathandavis3002 8 років тому +1

    whats the name of the secon aria in the vid? starting 14 seconds in

    • @sezgin86
      @sezgin86  8 років тому +1

      don carlo, tu che le vanita

    • @stefanodallasen796
      @stefanodallasen796 9 місяців тому

      A la baronessa.
      Scrivi correttamente nella lingua di Dante.
      Grazie

  • @rogalesi58
    @rogalesi58 5 років тому +1

    Maybe you are a little confused about soprano “assoluta “, she was never a dramatic soprano, neither a really a “ coloratura “ she was a great “ lirico d’agilta’ ” spinto like Caballe in her prime

  • @beachfanatic2010
    @beachfanatic2010 11 років тому +9

    Callas was not a coloratura? Who was a better dramatic coloratura than Callas? Not even Sutherland whose voice had more lyric qualities. Callas was a solid dramatic assoluta soprano!

  • @antoninotrotta3851
    @antoninotrotta3851 8 років тому +2

    what's the aria before la danza?

    • @lrdeb1689
      @lrdeb1689 5 років тому

      un extrait d'un des airs de La Vestale de Ponchielli

  • @gemainy0508
    @gemainy0508 10 років тому +1

    How come madame macbeth is a dramatic colouratura?

    • @sezgin86
      @sezgin86  10 років тому +1

      Guess why. /watch?v=ukJCkxvsvgM
      This is beyond the capabilities of a dramatic soprano.

    • @grig035
      @grig035 9 років тому +3

      +Sezgin Çetinkaya I applaud this retrospective. Well done -- and this shows why Gencer should be viewed as a genuine Assoluta.
      I also agree on your citation here of the link for her Lady Macbeth entrance aria. Yes, that entrance scena is plainly beyond the capacities of a traditional dramatic soprano. On the one hand, there is heroic declamation there that is eminently suited to the traditional dramatic soprano, granted. But on the other, there is also heroic and intricate coloratura passagework there that only an authentic specialist in bel canto could pull off. Gencer does just that, and brilliantly, showing, in addition, superbly resonated tones across a two-and-a-half-octave range.
      I did a bit of digging around and found another YT video of that same Macbeth track in somewhat finer sound, at /watch?v=raDegluLr8k . That link and your assembly of phrases in this video (which seem to match all the colors of the rainbow) form a potent and instructive combination that together demonstrate just what is involved in being a genuine Assoluta. Together, both videos also show that Gencer was one of the very, very few who fully qualify for this super-rare title, Assoluta, in every respect.

    • @thangvuong9196
      @thangvuong9196 5 років тому

      @@grig035 Madame Verett was not a " bel conto specialist" but she is arguably the greatest Lady Macbeth of all time.

  • @ioSonoCallas
    @ioSonoCallas 14 років тому +2

    Madame Leyla Gencer était une très très grande artiste que j'adore, mais ce montage vidéo est une aberration! Il ne faut pas confondre couleur et registre vocal! Leyla Gencer était sans conteste ce qu'on appelle soprano grand lyrique mais son tempérament artistique lui permettait d'aborder un vaste répertoire!

  • @MrPeppeRE
    @MrPeppeRE 10 років тому +1

    is there an assoluto voice type?

    • @HowDareThey1970
      @HowDareThey1970 10 років тому +2

      I think sfogato or assoluta defines range, namely a soprano whose lower range is so fully developed they also comfortably encompass a contralto range. They usually call them "soprano sfogatos" or "soprano assolutas" but I don't know why they don't say "contralto sfogato" unless such singers always start out as natural sopranos....?
      I don't know if there is a comparable male range, such as tenor assoluto.

    • @Khalid7a
      @Khalid7a 8 років тому +2

      There is not. One of the reasons male singers does not have many hybrid fachs is that male singer use almost only one register (chest register) while female use the three registers (head, mixed and chest) in every role which gives them more space for supporting both edges of the range. As for why it's called soprano assoluta not a contralto because in the mid of the 19th century mezzo soprano was not yet a fach, it was still called a soprano. Sfogato is a mezzo soprano (regarding the passagio and vocal color) that could sing both soprano coloratura range and contralto (in the chest register) in same ease and power, yet it is not necessary to be as heavy as pure contralto. Pure contralto is a very heavy voice and the passagio is very low, it rarely can go as high as Bb5 and B5 and to sustain a high C6 is quite impossible for an operatic singer.

  • @mertuncensored
    @mertuncensored 7 років тому +1

    Where is contralto part from?

    • @sezgin86
      @sezgin86  7 років тому +1

      Die Kaiserin Adriana Lecouvreur-Giusto Cielo, Roberto Devereux-Alma infida, Norma-In mia man, a song of Chopin

    • @mertuncensored
      @mertuncensored 7 років тому +1

      Thanks!

  • @draganvidic2039
    @draganvidic2039 8 років тому +1

    Haha so Tosca and Forza Leonora is lyric roles?
    Or is it examples of lyric soprano singing regerdless of role?

    • @mertuncensored
      @mertuncensored 7 років тому +2

      I think the whole point of of the video is to show examples of singing regardless of the role

  • @draganvidic2039
    @draganvidic2039 9 років тому +13

    She's got it all. No, neither Callas or Sutherland comes near sorry.
    Darkness, piani, expression, longevity and emotion...

    • @draganvidic2039
      @draganvidic2039 8 років тому +1

      +James Parker It's ok to have different opinions

    • @onigbajamo
      @onigbajamo 7 років тому +4

      Dragan Vidic Her voice does lack the power of Maria Callas. And she doesn't come close to Sutherland's agility. Those are facts.

    • @draganvidic2039
      @draganvidic2039 7 років тому +1

      Onigbajamo ZZzzzz.... ZZZzzzz....

    • @biopolis7
      @biopolis7 6 років тому +1

      james Parker the problem is that you don't make Art with power, you make Art with expressivity and nuances. And Gencer has it all --a way more than Callas, i suppose..

    • @biopolis7
      @biopolis7 6 років тому +1

      Power and Agility, nice. Is this alla we gotta find in Art? Crocian aesthetics explains how art is mainly expressivity. And in music expressivity is parameter n°1

  • @GloriaJanvier
    @GloriaJanvier 8 років тому +1

    no trills?

  • @raigekimaru
    @raigekimaru 11 років тому +2

    Callas was a fine singer in roles that fit her voice, but saying she was a better coloratura than Sutherland? ....NO =)
    Callas's high notes and coloratura technique couldn't hold a candle to Sutherland's effortless singing. Sutherland's voice had "lyrical qualities" because all opera is supposed to be sung lyrically (even Wagner, just listen to Flagstad). singers today forget this and think that dramatic = belting, vocal wobbling and lack of legato and elegance.

  • @grobanite4ever85
    @grobanite4ever85 8 років тому +5

    I am sorry I hate callas' voice. she sounds so nasal

    • @nathandavis3002
      @nathandavis3002 7 років тому +2

      that strange hollow nasaly tone is present inn all her recordings. doesnt make her a bad singer. but some of us just dont enjoy that tone...

    • @nathandavis3002
      @nathandavis3002 7 років тому +1

      no, I recognize her voice is very steely. I don't think I'm describing it properly. its a sound that only makes an appearance on every few notes. as if she swallowed a pigeon. I don't like it. most people are okay with it. some of the more crazy callas fans insist it doesn't exist but it does.

    • @nathandavis3002
      @nathandavis3002 7 років тому +3

      yeah I dont think nasal is the right way to describe it. sort of a hollow tone, similar to the whir of a pigeon.

    • @artdanks
      @artdanks 5 років тому

      @@nathandavis3002 I think I understand what you are saying. To me, I always described that sound almost like a hollow sound that is covered with a big piece of cellophane. Is that it? And I'm describing it like that as a HUGE Callas fan. She's actually been my all time favorite singer for over 40 years. Prior to that though, I couldn't stand listening to her, for the exact same reason. So I do understand. For me, hearing her Medea and her Lady Macbeth is what "converted" me, and have loved her ever since.

    • @thangvuong9196
      @thangvuong9196 5 років тому +1

      There's is definitely metal in her voice, plus I can't stand her overly slow vibrato especially when she got older.

  • @ginopietracupa4305
    @ginopietracupa4305 4 роки тому

    Leyla Gencer is the example of how to sing badly in any repertoire she sings.Actually she was a coloratura soprano, who cheated the public singing all the repertoire, she said herself she did all her career using the falsetto