Testing for Mold Toxicity
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- Опубліковано 11 кві 2021
- Dr. Williams and Dr. Mary Pardee of modrn med discuss how to test your body for mold toxicity if you suspect that you have been exposed to mold. They cover urine mycotoxin testing kits, MARCoNS testing for sinus congestion, and chronic sinusitis, as well as what blood tests to ask your doctor for.
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Grew up in a very moldy environment... years and years of physical and mental misery. Mainstream medicine failed me miserably... drained and bitter but hopeful. Urine test showed a major problem with several mycotoxins and I have started an initial recovery protocol...hope burns eternal!
My dad has been dealing with this for years and years. He lived in a house in the country that had a ton of mold. But he moved out two years ago and is only getting worse. He now sleeps in his metal stripped van at night. He can’t even drink carbonated drinks anymore. He wakes up every night with fluid in his lungs and coughs violently all day. He now has kidney and liver problems. He has edema and very painful neuropathy in feet and torso. He only sleeps 3 hours a night from the pain and having to pee all night long. No one believes him even though they see his liver, Ige and kidney levels elevated. They say it’s all in his mind. His life has been ruined. He’s exhausted and in a state of despair. I don’t know what to do for him anymore. He’s been doing all the detoxes and binders and gotten rid of all of his furniture. He’s always been a strong and healthy good man, he’s now weak and scared. Doctors have treated him like a child. Please someone help me help him.
He is in my prayers ❤
I am sorry to hear of this. Very upsetting.
I hope you searched for telemedicine. It’s worth it.
Caseypromise
Garlic tincture, oregano tincture and or CDS
Be the squeakiest freaking wheel w these Drs and deff see new ones or find one who is smart enough to help determine what's what, from where and boost and heal/RePair ones self,cells and entire well-being. Some great docs out there. Rest. I dunnoooooo. I am embarrassed for them. Really frustrating and prayers are sent to you all experienced experiencing or will. Bc learn all possible now. Self research we are told don't do. Well they got Google and do say prescribe some things that baffle the mind of one who's intuitive, has common sense, knows the more personal changes etc. And maybe with love sent to all. Past info that worked. That didn't. Drs to look into. I mean. I was told spinal fluid does not move up spine. 18 now36 and all many horrific not age related issues and seems not one Dr in local areas so far seem educated. Not even dermatologist 2 sadly. But going when I did. Was own fault but wasn't new and pregnant, summer or not dis not make it any diff. Hormones just allows them to brush off. Important things. Heart Dr says nothing but let me know if any thing changes. Uhhmmm. As in???? Sheesh. Guess couldn't be a droid hook up for 48/72 hours for better idea and explaining what was seen. Ohhhh. I pray for your dad you and all again. Be loud and proud for this fight!!!
This is a fantastic synopsis. I have been researching this for months. My two year old daughter started showing signs of autism and we narrowed it down to mold exposure. We have been giving her Nystatin along with some micronized chlorella. She has made great improvements. I have had fatigue, metal taste, brain fog, etc. My wife has no issues at all. Genetics certainly play a role. I went through and researched the entire ERMI list. We had a house full of plants and many of them were producing mold from the soil. My suggestion would be to get rid of all house plants if you're having mold issues. Get an ozone generator and use that in your house once a month or so. Be very cautious and know how to use it because it can harm your lungs. Make sure you start it and leave and then come back after it's finished and air the house out. It is literally amazing how much damage mold spores can cause...
I am married to a real ND PhD who does not believe in ozone machines at all. They actually create more air problems. Be careful what "resources" you buy into!!! He just retrofits the air vents with filters at home depot. He will tell you to learn how to throw out moldy crap food, especially as most western European foods use moldy shit.
Very interesting. I would love any documentation on why he believes ozone does more damage. Learning as much as I can and willing to change my opinion based on information.
www.allergyclean.com/problems-with-ozone-generators-and-ionizers-that-produce-ozone/
My only solution for mould is to know and learn exactly as much info as possible how your residence is built and try to get a dehumidifier going to remove dampness. I personally have not inhaled the mould because I always live in places that are newish, but I do think I have sensitivities to them genetically and am trying to sort it out. Good Luck
How did you confirm it was mold? By testing or by action?
@@7HEREALDON you can see it on the tiles and it comes behind the wall
I have been an undiagnosed mold sufferer since 1974 when docs didn't even recognize it as a thing and I spent 3 weeks in hospital and almost failed my sophomore year of high school. My latest run in with(CIRS) mold bio-toxin illness started in 2006 at the University I attended. Within the first 30 days of attendance I was down. I had been in the best health of my life at the beginning of the school year and made it 2 years before I had to withdraw on medical leave. I never went back, instead replacing the education I wanted for 14 top specialists in the state of Colorado, many of whom stated I must be a hypochondriac due to the magnitude of symptoms I was displaying. Some said they could tell there was something wrong but they would have to wait until it reared its ugly head to figure it out. I wondered if that would be when they slid me out from the morgue compartment to do the autopsy.
I was dying with no answers.
I gave up on the docs and went to a Naturopath who had been my professor at University to find answers. He listened for 2 hours and ran a series of tests. Testing showed that I had 2:2 of the most susceptible genes for mold toxicity (4-3-53). There are 25 or so, but the top 6 are bad. I also had grossly elevated MMP9 and deficient VIP. The test he ran to rule out LYME and rule in Mold was the combined C4a - C3a panel. I had turned down Lyme treatment wisely as it showed no Lyme but positive for mold. The C4a test is the most accurate test available for mold differential diagnosis. It was developed here at National Jewish Medical Center but is not being used in medical practice. Testing allowed, after 12 years of medical malfeasance, to start treatment. The damage has been done and I will never get back the time, health, and zest for life I once had... but this information is valuable and should not be hidden away.
This is so helpful and very valuable information for folks who are going through this. Thank you for sharing!
@@kh4christ72 You are very welcome. I am currently under mold mitigation and have since found out that any building... repeat... ANY building, that has drywall/sheetrock/gypsum board interiors is a ticking time bomb. Gypsum board (made here in Gypsum Colorado) comes pre-loaded with Stachybotrys mold spores (black mold). All you have to do to activate it is just add water. In my case it means that I will be staying in the mold mitigated place I live in until I am able to build my own home with no drywall.
Part of the problem is that we are so inundated with things like anti-fungal paint, chemicals in our food etc that we are all environmentally compromised to different degrees. I am in awe every day at God's work in creating such finely tuned humans but I also see every day our ability to self destruct as far more basic than nuclear war because we are destroying ourselves with the choices we make such as buying the food that is most cheap rather than best.
How many people for instance know that if the cow is cleanly fed on grass it produces an enzyme in it's cud that allows us to digest it?... or that the #1 source of important B vitamins is bone marrow?... Lions in the Sahara know this and leave the carcasses mostly for Hyenas (scavengers)... How many young women understand that in order to get pregnant you have to have enough red blood cells to host a baby, which you can't get from plant based diets? And it goes on and on... we have been fed junk literally by corporations and entities including provision paradigms that lacks wisdom and if we choose to engage it is a war we lose.
Hello fellow vermonter !!!! Wolcott here! We have been living with black mold for 16 YEARS NOW, in The duplex we live in, in Wolcott. We HAVE complained, begged, asked nicer THEN THE USUAL NICENESS WE ARE! AND FINALLY 1 MONTH AGO SOME OF THE LANDLORDS AHHH, WORKERS ?,,LOL , CAME IN AND LOOKED IN THE ATTICT AND it's FULL of WET BLACK MOLD! So bad That the walls in the attic push right in from wetness , and the walls swell up and look pregnant! I've been SO SO TIRED FOR 14 YEARS NOW, I was also diagnosed with narcolepsy/cataplexy. And I seem to have terrible mood swings as does my grandson who's lived with us for almost 18, years now, has the SAME ISSUES! My husband does to. I FEEL TRAPPED IN MY BED AND THESE MOOD SWINGS ARE SO BAD AND TERRIBLE HEADACHES I'M HAVING EVERY DAM DAY! 3 CAT OF MINE DIED ALSO. PLEASE PLEASE HELP WITH ADVICE IF YOU CAN BUT I PEE ALLNIGHT, AND I HAVE BRAIN FOG AND ALL THIS IS NOT ME! WE HAVE ASTHMA OFF AND ON AS WELL. BUT THE HEAD STUFF IS THE WORST! ANY ADVICE WILL BE MUCH APPRECIATED! TY SO MUCH!
Please see my posts above in feed and do what you have to to move out...
You Ladies are so awesome, thank you so very much, what you are talking about is very important for us that have been exposed to mold in our homes. I really appreciate the tests that you suggest for us 🙏❤️👍
so glad it was helpful for you
Thanks a lot for the video. I am renting a flat in Barcelona full of mold, and they just say that it is very common here. I've been sick almost continuously since I moved in. I can't get out of the Contract.
😢 sorry for that. Try to dry the place and let aer circulation through and try to help yourself drinking home remedies, look up you tube 😊
@@magdelinalee2101 thanks. I think I was wrong and that I can get out of the contract anyway. I will be out of here in a week anyway. Muchas gracias
Thank you for sharing ❤️ definitely gave me hope!
She made very good points and thank you so much for that my point to this is my brother was stuck in the house of mold the whole Covid time so he has extreme exposure, even University of Michigan
had no answers for him if you could, please help my brother he was exposed too long. I’m hoping this doesn’t, turn into a detrimental problem. A lot of people in Missouri live in the wood area campers especially my brother lived in the camper that had mold there’s a lot more people out there suffering due to Covid being trapped in their house of mold.
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@kimberleyjager wow thank you for mentioning this aspect of the cvid situation, I hadn't thought of it.. I am home a lot anyway due to chronic health issues, so lock down was kinda 'normal' for me, but a whole lot more exposure for some people. Also the effects of WiFi on mold spores is still being learned about - apparently the EMF frequencies put the mold into survival mode which produces more spores & extra toxins (?) ~ another aspect for your brother to check and that might help his healing. Bless you both, may you both (&all of us) be well & happy. Very glad he has your help & support 🙏💕
@@dr.marypardee7668 Thank you for this video & the website link, glad such info & care & help is available, & online too. I'm in UK - is it possible to do the testing at this distance?
I am looking for something closer as it seems not really a quick fix, & cost is an issue (no insurance) but also seems more advanced in this field in America (?)
Ritchie Shoemaker's book:
"Surviving Mold"
Doc:
Eric Dorninger ND Colorado
Labs:
C4a
C3a
MSH
MMP9
V.I.P.
Neuroquant
Treatment:
CSM
It is imperative that mold be irradiated as no money spent on other valuable nutritional support will assist until mold is down to low levels.
My toxicologist gave me at least a dozen ige mold antibody blood test for different types of mold.
I probably have been done with menopause for five years and just didn't even know it because I've been living under this mold the whole time?
Definitely making an appointment for some tests with my doctor in the morning
glad it was helpful!
For urine mycotoxins testing, is it bad to take zeolite before? Is it ok like taking glutathione or will zeolite somehow skew results and make it look like there is less?
How about ALA?
Someone mentioned to me to not take zeolite before when I asked the question but they didn’t explain why, I would think it’s similar to what glutathione is doing ?
Any help? I want to take this test soon
Hello doctor, your guests in this video says that the test the mold exposure in your urine is FDA-approved. looking online the test has not been approved by FDA. So iam confused
You mentioned a couple test near the beginning of the video, can the pcp just order these or do you have to see a certain specialist ?
Thanks
Most PCPs do not have access, unfortunately, so a specialist.
If you are in the US then Dr. Williams can work on this with you- www.modrnmed.com
What about homozygous for MTHFR a1298c? How does this effect us where mold toxicity is concerned? Thanks !
You are unable to detox effectively and it requires more diligent mold treatment and activated forms of B vitamins to compensate... 5MTHF (methyltetrahydrofolate), P5P (B6), and Methylcobalamine (B12)
You may also need to utilize heavy metal detox protocols. I use milder but still effective cilantro/parsley/spirulina/bentonite/chlorella activated charcoal combined with almond butter (mercury binder) and ORGANIC strawberries (lead binder) as this really assists the methylation pathway... also important to ensure you have enough Mag glycerinate and zinc picolinate as they assist metal detox in the Krebs cycle.
How much mold comers from what we eat ( coffee, grains etc. ) VS mold exposure to the air we breathe from a water damaged building for example?
Unfortunately there is mold in a lot of foods such as coffee, cashews, pistachios, melons etc and the only way I know of to keep from eating nothing is to go on periodic juice fasts that include CSM to bind and eliminate it.
How to detect it? You are talking too fast and cannot understand what kind of blood test we can do to detect it.. i cannot find the script of the video
www.modrnmed.com/post/mold-testing-101
My apt just tested very high for clodosporium. I’m having all these sx.
So sick. My lungs hurt. Etc. 20 mos ago moved into this gov housing and sx began.
I love colloidal silver. I’ve lived in the Tropics for 10 years, have been exposed to mold ☹️
Where do you get the test
Your functional medicine doctor. If you do not have one- you can schedule a complimentary phone call with Dr. Williams here and she can order this for you. www.modrnmed.com to schedule the complimentary phone consult.
I was wondering if you could answer a quick question for me. I have searched and searched for the answer to this and can't seem to find any discussion on it - Do skincare products feed the mold in your body? Assuming of course that the mold hasn't made it's way into the kidneys or parts of the body thereafter in terms of processing? I'm really trying to pull out all the stops with my recovery and was very curious about this. Thank you for any help you may be able to provide! 🙏
I don't know about mold growth specifically linked to skin care. I have never heard or seen that written but I do feel you should try and reframe from toxic products and try and lean into as many non toxic products within your household as much as possible. One thing I do know that does contribute to mold growth is EMF waves. You can start to actually notice an intolerance around your phone or electronics. For me I get more anxious and my fingers will actually start to burn after enough time. If you knew all this already, apologies. If you didn't, I hope this helps. :)
I'd say research listen to more Drs now seemingly connecting mold,fungi etc as issues to be detoxed and recently be it a new form of ring worm. Please.. Yea research anti fungals, and all (the ayurvedic system seems to give lists of ESSENTIAL oils and foods to reduced inflammation and based on throws of skin conditions then see which remedies is best. Yet if in home and not fixed. Just band aided. Well lifelong fun. Detox naturally. Bentonite and food FOOD GRADE Diatomaceous earth. Wink wink research!!
There is a preservative in skin care products if you mesothysolaziapine throw it out
I would definitely say yes and or at the very least it would have a negative impact on it.
Could tinnitus be a consequence on mold toxicity?
@@Poopsmear my house has had an outbreak of mold a while back. I treated it with bleach and I was told round up can help to kill it. I do not smell that smothering odor since
then
Thank you so much!!! I Don't want to go into details about my health here, how can i schedule that 50 minute consultation? Nevermind, i checked out your site, the prices are way out of the league of anyone on a fixed income😢
www.modrnmed.com/
I suggest starting with the complimentary call with Dr. Williams and she can discuss options with you
@@dr.marypardee7668 Thank you for your reply Dr. Pardee. As per your suggestion , I have reached out to schedule the 15 complimentary consult with Dr. Williams. Much appreciated.
@@dr.marypardee7668, I set up the consult for 11:45am today. But, noones called😮
My daughter and Grandbabies just rented an apartment with horrible mold and they are leaving but not before it has made them sick. I have copd and covid lung damage and haven't been able to visit them since the one time I did I almost died. She has a go fund me going because scum lords are keeping her money. Brittany Bregman read this
Can mold toxity affect digestive and urinary problems. Such as gastropresis, GERD, chronic gastritis, interstitial cystitis.
It sure can unfortunately. I'm having those issues from it.
@@kericaswell6084 Could you tell me what you've done to help with this? I recently got a UTI from what I believe was a very slight amount of mold on our toilet paper (was being stored in garage) and now have a yeast infection (usually from antibiotics) but now yeast infection is lingering and I'm wondering if it's not a yeast infection and it's from mold also??? 🥴
Yes! Mold causes V.I.P. deficiency which results in constipation and other symptoms. Vaso-intestinal polypeptide is responsible for peristaltic movement in the gut. It's not gastroparesis but can be mistaken as such.
Maybe a weird question but does the test show when you have no or low mold?
I want to make sure I’m not getting a test that shows that everyone has some mold in their body. Still learning.
I am doing brain retraining and trying to keep myself calm.
Yes we have seen many results that show that people have low levels.
@@dr.marypardee7668 does anyone have zero mold/mycotoxins?
If you are running MMP9 and VIP tests they can show when treatment is effective and MMP9 is dropping. MMP9 is the inflammatory marker for mold.
Something i want to know is. If im doing the urine test for mycotoxins. How long do I have to be from oral antifungals? I finished a pulsing treatment. Its helped but not enough. I know that our home has mold and its what killednour 2 dogs. My husband doesnt believe me. But now I can oive without my nebulizer and taking lots of different asthma meds. Since arriving here. I can start to see the mold toxicity symptoms i of my husband and he doesnt believe me. Not even showing him the damp rid hangers' water black. When i went to change it. The only thing he did to "comfort" was put dehumidifier midifiers in our home. But its not enough. Inwant out of this house but its not possible right now. I've been doing stuff on my own. Cause the doctors in my city wont help me. Its been deeply affecting my health. I just want to inow how long do i jave to be off of the antifunglas? To donthe urine test.
This mold situation and infection in the body is for life, try to do your best❤
I just received Mycotoxin results from great plains and unfortunately it doesn't show me out of range for any of the molds this company checks for, out of the 11 mold species this company tests for I do show some type of mold exposure for 2 species. One is more closer to being out of range, I wasn't given any special instruction when peeing in the cup except to not drink water after a certain time and to collect my morning urine.
Is it possible that my test is giving me a false negative or the mold toxicity I have isn't one The Great Plains tests for?
I wholeheartedly believe my sickness is due to mold because of the extensive testing I've had done up to this point, everything keeps coming back normal and I still feel like I'm slowly dying. There's no visible mold, but there is a roof leak over the AC unit that drips when it rains hard into the hallway right about where the AC vents travel. I believe the AC is spreading mold across the vents, I can smell some type wet wood smell when the AC kicks on, I also did a petri dish test a month ago. It took 4 days for a tiny mold spore to show, fast forward to today and the Perri dish is almost black because of the mold growing inside.
I guess I'm wanting some encouragement that I'm on the right path with my long comment, this past year has been a walk through hell. Thanks for anyone that took their time reading this and responding
I took the VCS test and that does show that I'm positive for some type of toxic affecting my vision.
Hi, we are unable to offer any medical advice here. If you want to work with Dr. Williams she is accepting new clients - you can book a complimentary 15 min phone call to discuss what that would look like here: www.modrnmed.com/
@@dr.marypardee7668 does she accept insurance? My deductible is met and I'm covered at 100% now
@@7HEREALDON No, she does not accept any insurance for services.
She will provide a superbill which you can submit to your insurance for reimbursement if you are in California though
usually, you'll get mold toxticity IF your immune system is low. this can be from candida, parasites, or gut dysbiosis
So if I want to test for mold in my body can I just do the marcons test instead of the urine test? If it shows a positive result that there is mold in my nose , does that mean I have mycotoxins in my whole body or just in my nose?
Hi, we recommend you do a complimentary consult with Dr. Williams for individualized questions on what it would be like to work with her directly. You can book this on our website: www.modrnmed.com/
If one or two my toxins are present in the urine, does it matter that it’s a little higher than the equivocal amount or the fact that mycotoxins are present confirms the person has mycotoxin Illness ?
the amount does matter, which is the case for most test results. There's more info here as well- www.modrnmed.com/post/mold-webinar
@@dr.marypardee7668 thank you so much
I wish you would give the full name of the test instead of just abriviation. What is "vip?"
Here is everything typed out. We have more info on our website as well- www.modrnmed.com/post/mold-testing-101
If I was exposed for 2.5 yrs, but the mold was removed about a month ago, would it still be positive??
I think it may well be for awhile after since the toxins are stored in fat cells and takes time to get rid of. Also, if remediation didn't work well, you may have an exposure still and have positive urine. Hope this helps.
It could still be positive.
If the mold was in the wall it's not removed.
Was mold certified remediation? Do you live in humid area? Water damage? You would still be bio-toxin ill unless treated. Genetics can make this more challenging.
@@user-fp9il7qq5i I'm living in a mold infested apartment building and what I don't understand is that it's approved by section 8
How do you get mold out of your ears? The mold gets in the ear wax and mycelium Roots grow in your ear canal.
Oh wow. I'd like to know more about what you have experienced.
@@lunagoodhart5489 I lived in a moldhouse for13 years, back before the internet, before anyone knew what toxic mold was,1993. My earwax used to be soft in yellow, easy to get out with some ear drops. Now it's dry, hard and crusty, black color. Ear drops doesn't soften it. I have to flush out my ears with water. My ears have been ringing off the hook too. My years are itchy but my doctor says they're not infected, So he refuses to give me any kind of ear drops, exccept the ones at the drugstore. ENT same thing. I've tried all the home remedies from peroxide to putting a clove of garlic in your ear. Lol
I haven't tried the honey yet. But there are somethings you just won't do. Lol
33% Food grade hydrogen peroxide...then deluded w/ distilled water.
On top of having small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. Yeah. I'm a hot mess. Speaking of hot... 😉
molecular biologist and organic chemist checking in to tell you mass spec is far more specific than eliza. your info is incorrect in that regard.
thank you, I am going to send this info to Dr. Williams . Appreciate the feedback
Would you be willing to send us the research article you are basing this off of so we can research again? Thank you admin@modrmed.com
@@dr.marypardee7668 revisit the mechanism of mass spec and elisa. mass spec performs liquid chromatography to separate the molekules, then blasts them into pieces, and charts the pieces to create a unique fingerprint. elisa binds antibodies against the substrate to a plate, relies on binding and affinity strength between the mold and the antibodies, then uses a reporter substrate to determine how much is there, usually amount of color produced. the former is a direct and absolute measurement while the later is a indirect and qualitative.
Survivor checking in to share with you that the C4a and C3a test panel developed at National Jewish Medical Center, Denver is the most accurate test available for mold. MMP9 can show levels of mold inflammation and VIP deficiency. Microbiology DX can show type and antibiotic resistance, a co infection of mold called MARConS (Multiple Antibiotic Resistant Coagulase negative Staph).
@@user-fp9il7qq5i C4a and C4a are proteins involved with the complement system. MMP9 and VIP are proteins involved with the inflammatory process. MicrobiologyDX does nasal swabs, which means they check for colonization of the sinus for bacteria and molds. all of the proteins you listed are involved with CIRS, chronic inflammatory response syndrome. mold illness causes CIRS but it is not the only thing that can cause CIRS. when we treat mold illness, we also check these markers to see how treatment progress is coming along. many times, long after negative mycotoxin and mold tests, CIRS may persist, especially if the person has other immune dysregulation going on, allergies or autoimmunity, for example. when testing for mold toxicity, it can be directly checked only by looking for dna, proteins, the mold itself (PCR, ELISA, culture plates), or by looking for compounds produced specifically by molds (mycotoxins). looking at complement proteins, evidence of CIRS, does not actually check for mold ,or its presence directly, it just shows that we have an immune response dysregulation. when looking at mycotoxins, mass spectroscopy is way way wayyyyyy more specific and sensitive to quantity and type of toxin, compared to ELISA. MS can detect parts per billion concentrations, even the slightest blip on the radar, and without false positives, because it is a finger print of the molecule. ELISA is antibody based, is not going to pickup low concentrations, and is based on binding affinity after a washout step. it's very important to understand how the labs are actually doing things, from a molecular biology and biochem standpoint, as it will be very clear to understand why MS is better than ELISA. you are correct that MicrobiolgyDX checks directly for mold growth but we cannot do that for systemic colonization of tissues. this is why mold toxicity, be it from exposure or colonization, is checked by looking for mycotoxins and/or antibodies against mycotoxins or mold. mymycolab does a serum blood test for IgG and IgM against mycotoxins. there are several labs that check for IgE mediated allergies against molds, which is a heavy driver of CIRS and needs to be addressed concurrently and often for several years post antifungal and detox. the caveat to looking for urinary mycotoxins is that they may not pushed out, as they are very lipophilic and need to go through phase-1 detox (making it more polar so it can go into the blood for kidney processing), which is why we frequently do a glutathione push before urinary collection. lastly, i too am a survivor of mold toxicity, who has used all of the labs used by physicians and researchers within the community, because im a nerd and prefer more data to make sense of the madness. argument from authority is not the way to convince people, only talking science will. as a survivor myself, a researcher, and now a clinician in training, none of that is relevant to the truth. this video stated incorrect information, so i pointed it out. very long winded but i hope this helps clarify why i stated the above.
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