Thank you for this wonderful compilation. My father flew the Meteor, Vampire and Canberra in the early 50s and he would have liked to see this video, sadly he is no longer with us. They were brave pilots.
Thank you for this - I only wish my father was still alive to view it - he would have enjoyed it immensely. He’s was a flight lieutenant in the RAF stationed in India and responsible for any transport needed for the Viceroy. But at his airfield here when he played in small planes, one of his friends was actually a damn bomber. My Father flew all his life and never felt that he had done anything heroic in the war. He did miss the dance of flying in formation.
Great video! My first job as a newly qualified Airframe mechanic in 1956, was to change the rudder balance cables on a Meteor in the ASF ( Number 1) Hangar at RAF North Weald. I remember it to this day. First jet flight was in a Vampire T11, from North Weald to Leconfield.1962 - 1965 I was on 58 Squadron at RAF Wyton, following a tour in Singapore at RAF Seletar, working on Canberras including the PR Mk9, before they were sent to 39 Squadron. Plenty of nostalgia for me in this excellent video compilation. Many thanks jb.
It's all the blended curves on early British jets that make them look so great. Even the sharp edged Vampire is really a mass of curves when you look closely.
This video brings back memories of my childhood in New Zealand, where Vampires, Venoms and Canberras were the standard Air Force planes of the 50's and 60's. The Vampire had a wooden fuselage, if I remember correctly. I saw one almost crash during a strafing run once. Very nifty little plane.
@slick4401 The British were certainly at the top of their game then- those planes were amazingly graceful, and the photography was as well- the scene where the Vampire sweeps over mechanics crouching atop the hangar is unforgettable. There was a documentary about early attempts at the sound barrier, showing Geoffrey Dehaviland in an ill fated but even more awesome-looking DH 108 Swallow.
@idle44 The Meteor entered RAF squadron service beginning in July 1944 and was used to intercept German V-1 flying bombs. Meteor IIIs flew to the Continent in January 1945 and operated out of the Low Countries with the 2nd Tactical Air Force until the end of the war.
nice music :) but the sound of the original engines would have been mqagnificent, taken me back to my childhood in the 50's at RAF stations like Tern Hill and Duxford :)
@goodtimefeel At last somebody pointed it out. The Waltz of the Flowers, by Tchaikovsky. It fits the video regardless, because it is an elegant music and the early British jets were incredibly graceful. Cheers!
Frank Whittle applied for a patent on the Turbo-jet engine in 1930 , In 1935 he was unable to renew his patent because of financial problems and, since the Air Ministry were not interested, his patent details were published worldwide. There is no doubt that they were working along simulor lines but Hans von Ohain idea stated in 1933 was granted a patent for his turbojet engine in 1936 after being greatly helped by looking at Frank Whittles work.
An excellent video............well done ! The opening colour footage of the Meteor was superb. Is it a Mk1 or a prototype F9/40 ? Does anybody know if any footage of the short lived Mk2 Meteor (with the Metrovick 'Beryl' axle flow engines) exists ?
The Meteor the best 1st gen. fighter ? 1076 losses and over 500 pilots killed ? Of course, you can say the Meteor was more successful than the Luftwaffe in the BoB.
I'm confused . I've seen the WW2 stuff before but never in connection with the meteor. I thought they were held back in case the Germans managed to get one down intact. If I'm wrong then any info. would be grateful. But having said that it's a superb compilation.
More that, like most jets of the period including the German ones they needed fairly long concrete runways to operate from, and in 1944/45 the RAF tactical force was operating from short grass strips nearer the front. A situation that favored piston types like the Spitfire and Tempest. Once some suitable airfields in Holland and Germany became available though Meteors saw some use in Europe though not in sectors the Luftwaffe were still operating 262s.
You couldn't find more footage to carry the song all the way through to the end? It's annoying that the song just cuts off in mid phrase like that, right at the best part of the song. You could have looped the footage, if nothing else. And that gun camera footage looks more like WWII footage than Korean War footage. If so, then it's not Meteor footage. Looks more like Tempest or Typhoon (or P-47 or who knows what) footage from WWII. What kind of jet pilot flies through the tree tops?
You do have a point, although glen miller was still popular in Britain in the late forty's due to the friendly American invasion in WW11, but yes on reflection I probably should have used something els at lest halfway though the video.
That final aircraft looked like an Avro Delta. I saw it on its maiden test flight over Eastham in the Wirral, Cheshire (actually very near Liverpool). The V-Bombers were quite famous in their day. Even Donovan wrote, "I've seen V-Bombers grazing in their concrete fields..." Twit, he never got it. Without the RAF he would have been writing his poems in German! Main interest here was the Meteor. I lived at the end almost of the Hooton Park runway...had Meteors whooshing overhead all the time.
the time of the ruler of the sky are over! once it was just guns who let a plane come down, but now we need to do it with high-tech stuff like laser guided missiles an other stuff. If i had a time machine, i would go back to the time that fighter pilots were noble and courageous.
No Whittle invented the jet. He defined both axial and radial before Ohain got started. Not certain but I think there were some technical drawings and info of Whittles engine projects that went missing before Ohain deposited his patent. The UK jet program deliberately went with the radial engine and for good reason (even though UK metallurgy was more advanced) which is why the axial engine had to wait a few years after the war. All German development was premature though a brave effort.
It's Waltz of the Flowers from The Nutcracker Suite, by Peter I. Tchaikowsky. And MegaBrits: FYI, it's Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis, by Ralph ("Raife") Vaughan Williams. As for how this music goes with the footage, it's incongruous at best, and, during the segments of strafing trains and bridges, downright grotesque. Perhaps the maker is trying to say something, but it's lost on me - or, perhaps, shades of Vera Lynn over the thermonuclear finale of "Dr Strangelove"?.
@sagacix lets not forget the 'Eagle Squadron' made up of American pilots who fought alongside the R A F during the Battle of britain. They were deprived of their Citizenship but we shall never forget them.
@SuperMauricioromero Argentina had Meteor's, Vampires and Canberra's. Chile Hunters and Canberra's Mexico used Vampires against Guatemala. Cuba bought Hawker Fury's before the revolution and Castro's air force used them against the anti communist forces during the failed Bay of Pigs invasion. Castro tried to buy the Hunter in 1959 but the US government pressured the UK not to proceed.
Sorry Ohains patent was in 1936... my mistake, but I do still believe that to say Whittle helped Ohain is speculation. They are both internationally recognised as joint co inventors of the jet turbine engine and were good friends after the war when both lived in the USA
If Frank Whittle had been given more help by the RAF just imagine the battle of Britain culd have seen jets going up against the Luftwaffe beside the spitfires and hurricanes. Again this work have led to the Glosster Metior possibly arriving a bit earlier just imagine jets flying on ground attacks and by the time the Luftwaffe got there they were half way home.not unlike the 262 did to the American heavy bombers later in the war.
Actually that's what people of other countries think we Americans think. If you think all the supplies the US provided in the Europian campaign as well as to Russia was secondary, then you are the dismissive one. As for WWI, I think America's entry into that prolonged the war.
You say Ohain was greatly helped by Whittles efforts. but I can find plenty of references that say Ohains patient was done in 1934?? It appears both were bench testing units in 1937... Ohains design used a more efficient axial compressor and Whittles a centriufgal one. Whittle knew the axial compressor was better but said it was "for the future" Ohain was ahead in that area, albeit at shorter engine life. To say Ohain was greatly helped is surely speculation. Please show to where I can find this
You STUPID MISINFORMED TWAT !! O'Hains first engine was a very poor copy of Whittles CENTRIFUGAL compressor jet . Do some basic research before you make comments which show you know NOTHING !!!
They are disliked because they are insensitive to other cultures and different ways of doing things beliving their way is the best and only way of doing things! However without their help during WWII we wouldnt be in the position we are now. Most of the technology developed during the war is Down to us Brits. RADAR, ASDIC and the breaking of the enigma code, and the jet engine all achieved by us. What we lacked was the manufacturing capacity of the U.S which was smashed during the Blitz.
Didn'r Britain make some great looking aircraft in that post-war era. A consider that the Canberra still flies in the form of the WB-57 with NASA and the Lebanese air force have just put some Hunters back into service in Autumn 2008.
Spottydog is right! When it came to aircraft development the Germans did know a thing or two. They lost the war cos the world was against them. We do know that early British jets did benefit from German research
While those scientists worked for the Nazis, they didn't want to. Scientists, in my experience, are generally apolitical but prefer to work for folks who are a bit nicer than Nazis, which is why they were so eager to come to the US to work science. Not that I am a great friend of the US, but the US is a far better choice than Nazi Germany. Besides, we paid better.
Not to take away from the RAF, but without the support of the Commonwealth and yes, those damned Yankees (come in almost too late), he'd have been writing in German. And don't take anything from the poor old footsoldiers, because, as impressive as the are, no aircraft ever took and held ground- ever.
The historical facts, free of any propaganda spin are these. Maxime Guillaume had already patented the turbojet concept 9 years earlier. Patent no. 534,801 filed on May 3rd, 1921 and granted on the January 13th 1922... well before Whittles 1930 design Hans von Ohain built the first successful design and working prototype in 1934.. Whittle did not construct a prototype until 1935! Heinkel He-178 flew nearly a year before Whittle got in the air...
***** EXACTLY! And this is why Frank Whittle's false claim of inventing is the turbojet is now rejected by historians.. Whittle's claim is based solely on his failed 1930 patent.. This was not only a later idea than Guillaume's, it too was never produced into a working design and remains today as just an idea.. No functional turbojet engine has ever been created based on the 1930 patent which was also found to be invalid for infringing upon Guillaume's earlier patent and allowed to expire. Whittle would never have successful been able to defend his patent for this reason. Whittle would not actually create a working design or start construction until 1935, one year after Von Ohian first prototype was constructed in 1934, Whittle would also not complete a turbojet, successfully demonstrate a full power test or complete a successful test flight over a year after Hans Von Ohain. Of course this all academic, the design we use today (the Axial flow design) was first successfully created by Dr Anselm Franz.
Nevet built , never flew . Total rubbish from the herr doktor as usual. Group Captain Sir Frank Whittle invented and patented the first turbojet engine . Live with it and deal with it!!!!
Sorry but not so... British and German development on the jet engine ran parallal to each other with the Germans being slightly ahead as funding for it had been allocated earlier. Thats why Hans Von Ohains engine flew first before Whittles. The German engine was more efficient but had shorter engine life. Niether new of each others work. I find that amazing!
The British jet engines were big fat centifugal by design. the German jet motor were slender long axial -flow and by the mid 50's no one was using the british design! Today all jet engines are typicall axial - flow..the Germans KNEW what they were doing allright!
What I want to know is "who cares"? Does it _matter_ who managed to fly _first_, or who built a jet first? "_Our guy designed it 12 months before your guy, so therefore our side is better! Hah!" Stupid. The British "beat" the Germans in some areas, the Germans "beat" the British in some areas. Who was first doesn't really matter. A year or two is not even noticeable in the scale of history. People had thought up the concept of jet propulsion a long time before anyone made a working jet. The general concept was already well known in certain circles, and turbine technology was advancing in the area of steam power. The problem was making a turbine that would work under the high temperatures, and making it light enough to fit into a jet. The Swedes (I think it was) created the first successful gas turbine power generating station in like 1939 (I have an old Popular Mechanics announcing it here somewhere). People knew how turbines worked. They knew gas could be used, IF the right materials and design were used. THey knew a jet could propel a plane faster than a propellor, in theory (hence all the various motorjets and pulsejets and things that were initiated in the 1930s). The guy who first got his prototype working deserves a little credit, but it's not like he "beat" everyone else or that it's some amazing thing the invented out of thin air. THe other guy didn't "copy" him because he was second. The side that first got theirs operational was better at seeing and seizing an opportunity, and more importantly, had a power imbalance to redress. This also has little to do with merit. The British could have had operational jet fighters much sooner _if they really needed them_. They didn't. It also doesn't mean they made a "mistake" or were too stupid to develop a jet fighter. Can't we just agree that BOTH Germany and Britain were in the forefront of jet and gas turbine technology in the 1940s, and both created meritorious designs, independently of each other? If the US and USSR relied on the early tech of these two nations in the beginning, due to the exigencies of war, they both went on to do great things in jet technology later, all by themselves. No-one is "King of Jets", and no-one can honestly call either Germany _or_ Britain "The Inventor of the Jet Engine". It wasn't a clear-cut case like the Wright Brothers. Who PRIVATELY invented the first WORKING aircraft. People seem to like to take credit for "the United States", but that's crap. They were private inventors, the US had nothing to do with what they invented. They would have been from any other nation if things had worked out differently. While the US ought to be proud they were US citizens, it ought NOT to take the credit for their achievements as a nation. Just as many Americans scoffed and laughed at the Wrights as Europeans did at people experimenting in Europe, and the government gave them rather LESS support on average. If the Wrights hadn't created the first plane, someone else would have, very shortly after. As it is, it was a case of inventing the design, and then having other nations perfect it for you (although of course it was mostly private individuals; "France" didn't advance aircraft design, people who happened to be French did).
Hans Von Ohain (german fellow) is the designer of the first operational jet engine, while Sir Frank Whittle invented the turbojet engine. Just to clear the air. :)
well us(the USA) had to protect Australia thats y the Battle of Guatalcanal happened to stop the advance of japanese military power and as the years dragged on we used australia as a command post for sometime but yall austrailians got to fight in Korea and Vietnam
the americans stole alot of ideas from us when we were making jets they ended up useing our ideas we used their tecknoligy.... :) so kinda a win win lol
the less said about us doco's the better. as an australian l like to think we had a lot to do with wining the pacific war and could and would have dune more if our US master had allowed as too
this is wrong there was no allied jets in ww2 i have studied ww2 history watched hundreds of documentaries over the years especially ones about ww2 aircraft and i have never ever heard of or seen jets in ww2 only the me 262 realy late in the war.
+jbmilitarycollector very good reply, someone says something contradicting you're opinion and all you can say is wrong, realy showing you're intelligence and maturity there aren't you?
also i didn't say they didn't have any in the 40s but it was after the war not during the war as i said i have studied ww2 history not away to comment again as im not getting into an argument over the Internet.
Thank you for this wonderful compilation. My father flew the Meteor, Vampire and Canberra in the early 50s and he would have liked to see this video, sadly he is no longer with us. They were brave pilots.
Thank you for this - I only wish my father was still alive to view it - he would have enjoyed it immensely. He’s was a flight lieutenant in the RAF stationed in India and responsible for any transport needed for the Viceroy. But at his airfield here when he played in small planes, one of his friends was actually a damn bomber. My Father flew all his life and never felt that he had done anything heroic in the war. He did miss the dance of flying in formation.
Hawker Hunter is the most beatifull Jetplane ever build
Great video! My first job as a newly qualified Airframe mechanic in 1956, was to change the rudder balance cables on a Meteor in the ASF ( Number 1) Hangar at RAF North Weald. I remember it to this day. First jet flight was in a Vampire T11, from North Weald to Leconfield.1962 - 1965 I was on 58 Squadron at RAF Wyton, following a tour in Singapore at RAF Seletar, working on Canberras including the PR Mk9, before they were sent to 39 Squadron. Plenty of nostalgia for me in this excellent video compilation. Many thanks jb.
This is a fantastic video, the way the Meteor takes off right at the start, just as the gear retracts is just beautiful. Really loved the vid.
Some great footage there - and the music compliments it well !
I was very impressed with this video, no hype just nice music. Congratulations.
It's all the blended curves on early British jets that make them look so great. Even the sharp edged Vampire is really a mass of curves when you look closely.
Fantastic footage of these iconic early jets....cheers
1:55 I wish I was on top of that hangar!!
These aeroplanes are beautiful and graceful, just like my favourite; the Hawker Hunter!
What an absolute treat this video is.
This video brings back memories of my childhood in New Zealand, where Vampires, Venoms and Canberras were the standard Air Force planes of the 50's and 60's. The Vampire had a wooden fuselage, if I remember correctly. I saw one almost crash during a strafing run once. Very nifty little plane.
Thanks for adding . Someone must have written a decent history of these wonderful men. If not osome one will.
@slick4401 The British were certainly at the top of their game then- those planes were amazingly graceful, and the photography was as well- the scene where the Vampire sweeps over mechanics crouching atop the hangar is unforgettable. There was a documentary about early attempts at the sound barrier, showing Geoffrey Dehaviland in an ill fated but even more awesome-looking DH 108 Swallow.
@idle44 The Meteor entered RAF squadron service beginning in July 1944 and was used to intercept German V-1 flying bombs. Meteor IIIs flew to the Continent in January 1945 and operated out of the Low Countries with the 2nd Tactical Air Force until the end of the war.
Excellent footage
Love the beautiful music !
nice music :) but the sound of the original engines would have been mqagnificent, taken me back to my childhood in the 50's at RAF stations like Tern Hill and Duxford :)
@goodtimefeel At last somebody pointed it out. The Waltz of the Flowers, by Tchaikovsky. It fits the video regardless, because it is an elegant music and the early British jets were incredibly graceful. Cheers!
Great footage. The meteor MK 1 was also good a destroying V1's. Does anyone know a any film of these missions?
great clip, thanks for posting.
Frank Whittle applied for a patent on the Turbo-jet engine in 1930 , In 1935 he was unable to renew his patent because of financial problems and, since the Air Ministry were not interested, his patent details were published worldwide. There is no doubt that they were working along simulor lines but Hans von Ohain idea stated in 1933 was granted a patent for his turbojet engine in 1936 after being greatly helped by looking at Frank Whittles work.
Thank-you. A pleasure to watch.
An excellent video............well done ! The opening colour footage of the Meteor was superb. Is it a Mk1 or a prototype F9/40 ? Does anybody know if any footage of the short lived Mk2 Meteor (with the Metrovick 'Beryl' axle flow engines) exists ?
Fantastic clip.
wonderful soundtrack.....
Gloster Meteor / Canberra was the best of the first gen jet fighter and bombers by far !!!
The Meteor the best 1st gen. fighter ? 1076 losses and over 500 pilots killed ? Of course, you can say the Meteor was more successful than the Luftwaffe in the BoB.
Superb !
It was the other way around the Germans benefited from early British work on jet engines.
I'm confused . I've seen the WW2 stuff before but never in connection with the meteor. I thought they were held back in case the Germans managed to get one down intact. If I'm wrong then any info. would be grateful. But having said that it's a superb compilation.
More that, like most jets of the period including the German ones they needed fairly long concrete runways to operate from, and in 1944/45 the RAF tactical force was operating from short grass strips nearer the front. A situation that favored piston types like the Spitfire and Tempest. Once some suitable airfields in Holland and Germany became available though Meteors saw some use in Europe though not in sectors the Luftwaffe were still operating 262s.
Ah! How gorgeous is the meteor!?!
And the Canberra is even more beautiful !
The Brits 🇬🇧 had those lovely " V Bombers " still to this day some of the most beautiful Jets ever built 😍
Thank you. I thought it was a mk1 but it could easily be a mk3 with a sliding canopy its difficult to tell.
You couldn't find more footage to carry the song all the way through to the end? It's annoying that the song just cuts off in mid phrase like that, right at the best part of the song. You could have looped the footage, if nothing else.
And that gun camera footage looks more like WWII footage than Korean War footage. If so, then it's not Meteor footage. Looks more like Tempest or Typhoon (or P-47 or who knows what) footage from WWII. What kind of jet pilot flies through the tree tops?
You do have a point, although glen miller was still popular in Britain in the late forty's due to the friendly American invasion in WW11, but yes on reflection I probably should have used something els at lest halfway though the video.
why are they in such a hurry to retract the landing gear, is it because of the aerodynamic?
CUTS DOWN DRAG
MORE SPEED
QUICKER CLIMB
LESS FUEL NEEDED
GREATER RANGE ON THAT FUEL
what is the jet at 2.46?
I was at school with his grandson, Jason... good guy....
That final aircraft looked like an Avro Delta. I saw it on its maiden test flight over Eastham in the Wirral, Cheshire (actually very near Liverpool). The V-Bombers were quite famous in their day. Even Donovan wrote, "I've seen V-Bombers grazing in their concrete fields..." Twit, he never got it. Without the RAF he would have been writing his poems in German! Main interest here was the Meteor. I lived at the end almost of the Hooton Park runway...had Meteors whooshing overhead all the time.
From the days when we were proud to show our aircraft.....
the time of the ruler of the sky are over! once it was just guns who let a plane come down, but now we need to do it with high-tech stuff like laser guided missiles an other stuff. If i had a time machine, i would go back to the time that fighter pilots were noble and courageous.
No Whittle invented the jet. He defined both axial and radial before Ohain got started. Not certain but I think there were some technical drawings and info of Whittles engine projects that went missing before Ohain deposited his patent. The UK jet program deliberately went with the radial engine and for good reason (even though UK metallurgy was more advanced) which is why the axial engine had to wait a few years after the war. All German development was premature though a brave effort.
@zardoz2006 V1's what?
exactly this didn't happen there was no allied jets in ww2 what the fuck is going on
@xfire7 Does anybody know it is true that after the June 6th 1944 invasion the Allies lost at least as many planes to friendly fire as to enemy fire?
It's Waltz of the Flowers from The Nutcracker Suite, by Peter I. Tchaikowsky. And MegaBrits: FYI, it's Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis, by Ralph ("Raife") Vaughan Williams. As for how this music goes with the footage, it's incongruous at best, and, during the segments of strafing trains and bridges, downright grotesque. Perhaps the maker is trying to say something, but it's lost on me - or, perhaps, shades of Vera Lynn over the thermonuclear finale of "Dr Strangelove"?.
superb aircraft...I think some ppl got off topic, eh? :)
@sagacix lets not forget the 'Eagle Squadron' made up of American pilots who fought alongside the R A F during the Battle of britain. They were deprived of their Citizenship but we shall never forget them.
@zardoz2006 Not yet but if I do I will probably upload it.
@bobforfish Thank you for your comments, they were indeed the bravest of the brave.
@SuperMauricioromero Argentina had Meteor's, Vampires and Canberra's. Chile Hunters and Canberra's Mexico used Vampires against Guatemala. Cuba bought Hawker Fury's before the revolution and Castro's air force used them against the anti communist forces during the failed Bay of Pigs invasion. Castro tried to buy the Hunter in 1959 but the US government pressured the UK not to proceed.
Sorry Ohains patent was in 1936... my mistake, but I do still believe that to say Whittle helped Ohain is speculation. They are both internationally recognised as joint co inventors of the jet turbine engine and were good friends after the war when both lived in the USA
NOOOO Whittle is the internationally recognized inventor of the Turbojet !!!
@drfan2004 Better than the BAC Lightning?
If Frank Whittle had been given more help by the RAF just imagine the battle of Britain culd have seen jets going up against the Luftwaffe beside the spitfires and hurricanes. Again this work have led to the Glosster Metior possibly arriving a bit earlier just imagine jets flying on ground attacks and by the time the Luftwaffe got there they were half way home.not unlike the 262 did to the American heavy bombers later in the war.
Actually that's what people of other countries think we Americans think. If you think all the supplies the US provided in the Europian campaign as well as to Russia was secondary, then you are the dismissive one. As for WWI, I think America's entry into that prolonged the war.
You say Ohain was greatly helped by Whittles efforts. but I can find plenty of references that say Ohains patient was done in 1934?? It appears both were bench testing units in 1937... Ohains design used a more efficient axial compressor and Whittles a centriufgal one. Whittle knew the axial compressor was better but said it was "for the future" Ohain was ahead in that area, albeit at shorter engine life. To say Ohain was greatly helped is surely speculation. Please show to where I can find this
You STUPID MISINFORMED TWAT !! O'Hains first engine was a very poor copy of Whittles CENTRIFUGAL compressor jet . Do some basic research before you make comments which show you know NOTHING !!!
@SteffanLlwyd Hear here!!!
@skycaprob Early Hawker Hunter
They are disliked because they are insensitive to other cultures and different ways of doing things beliving their way is the best and only way of doing things! However without their help during WWII we wouldnt be in the position we are now. Most of the technology developed during the war is Down to us Brits. RADAR, ASDIC and the breaking of the enigma code, and the jet engine all achieved by us.
What we lacked was the manufacturing capacity of the U.S which was smashed during the Blitz.
RAF Brawdy in the 70`s had three as target towers! Patched up using sticky tape!!
Flt Lt Catt was the man! A pipe and hip flask and off he went!!
Didn'r Britain make some great looking aircraft in that post-war era. A consider that the Canberra still flies in the form of the WB-57 with NASA and the Lebanese air force have just put some Hunters back into service in Autumn 2008.
Irony is the Russian ballet music (Tchaikovsky Nutcracker Suite)
B R I L L I A N T ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
@skycaprob Hawker Hunter.
Spottydog is right! When it came to aircraft development the Germans did know a thing or two. They lost the war cos the world was against them. We do know that early British jets did benefit from German research
TOTALL BULLCRAP !!!
While those scientists worked for the Nazis, they didn't want to. Scientists, in my experience, are generally apolitical but prefer to work for folks who are a bit nicer than Nazis, which is why they were so eager to come to the US to work science. Not that I am a great friend of the US, but the US is a far better choice than Nazi Germany. Besides, we paid better.
Not to take away from the RAF, but without the support of the Commonwealth and yes, those damned Yankees (come in almost too late), he'd have been writing in German. And don't take anything from the poor old footsoldiers, because, as impressive as the are, no aircraft ever took and held ground- ever.
La musica no pega ni con cola, !!Que brutalidad!!
@spottydog4477 Yep, the Germans knew what they were doing, which is why they won the war. Oh, wait.
The historical facts, free of any propaganda spin are these. Maxime Guillaume had already patented the turbojet concept 9 years earlier. Patent no. 534,801 filed on May 3rd, 1921 and granted on the January 13th 1922... well before Whittles 1930 design
Hans von Ohain built the first successful design and working prototype in 1934.. Whittle did not construct a prototype until 1935!
Heinkel He-178 flew nearly a year before Whittle got in the air...
***** EXACTLY! And this is why Frank Whittle's false claim of inventing is the turbojet is now rejected by historians..
Whittle's claim is based solely on his failed 1930 patent..
This was not only a later idea than Guillaume's, it too was never produced into a working design and remains today as just an idea.. No functional turbojet engine has ever been created based on the 1930 patent which was also found to be invalid for infringing upon Guillaume's earlier patent and allowed to expire.
Whittle would never have successful been able to defend his patent for this reason.
Whittle would not actually create a working design or start construction until 1935, one year after Von Ohian first prototype was constructed in 1934, Whittle would also not complete a turbojet, successfully demonstrate a full power test or complete a successful test flight over a year after Hans Von Ohain.
Of course this all academic, the design we use today (the Axial flow design) was first successfully created by Dr Anselm Franz.
Nevet built , never flew . Total rubbish from the herr doktor as usual. Group Captain Sir Frank Whittle invented and patented the first turbojet engine . Live with it and deal with it!!!!
Total and utter BULLSHIT as usual from the Herr Doktor
The Buccaneer was the best British jet!!
Sorry but not so... British and German development on the jet engine ran parallal to each other with the Germans being slightly ahead as funding for it had been allocated earlier. Thats why Hans Von Ohains engine flew first before Whittles. The German engine was more efficient but had shorter engine life. Niether new of each others work.
I find that amazing!
The British jet engines were big fat centifugal by design. the German jet motor were slender long axial -flow and by the mid 50's no one was using the british design! Today all jet engines are typicall axial - flow..the Germans KNEW what they were doing allright!
What I want to know is "who cares"? Does it _matter_ who managed to fly _first_, or who built a jet first? "_Our guy designed it 12 months before your guy, so therefore our side is better! Hah!" Stupid. The British "beat" the Germans in some areas, the Germans "beat" the British in some areas. Who was first doesn't really matter. A year or two is not even noticeable in the scale of history. People had thought up the concept of jet propulsion a long time before anyone made a working jet. The general concept was already well known in certain circles, and turbine technology was advancing in the area of steam power. The problem was making a turbine that would work under the high temperatures, and making it light enough to fit into a jet. The Swedes (I think it was) created the first successful gas turbine power generating station in like 1939 (I have an old Popular Mechanics announcing it here somewhere). People knew how turbines worked. They knew gas could be used, IF the right materials and design were used. THey knew a jet could propel a plane faster than a propellor, in theory (hence all the various motorjets and pulsejets and things that were initiated in the 1930s). The guy who first got his prototype working deserves a little credit, but it's not like he "beat" everyone else or that it's some amazing thing the invented out of thin air. THe other guy didn't "copy" him because he was second. The side that first got theirs operational was better at seeing and seizing an opportunity, and more importantly, had a power imbalance to redress. This also has little to do with merit. The British could have had operational jet fighters much sooner _if they really needed them_. They didn't. It also doesn't mean they made a "mistake" or were too stupid to develop a jet fighter. Can't we just agree that BOTH Germany and Britain were in the forefront of jet and gas turbine technology in the 1940s, and both created meritorious designs, independently of each other? If the US and USSR relied on the early tech of these two nations in the beginning, due to the exigencies of war, they both went on to do great things in jet technology later, all by themselves. No-one is "King of Jets", and no-one can honestly call either Germany _or_ Britain "The Inventor of the Jet Engine". It wasn't a clear-cut case like the Wright Brothers. Who PRIVATELY invented the first WORKING aircraft. People seem to like to take credit for "the United States", but that's crap. They were private inventors, the US had nothing to do with what they invented. They would have been from any other nation if things had worked out differently. While the US ought to be proud they were US citizens, it ought NOT to take the credit for their achievements as a nation. Just as many Americans scoffed and laughed at the Wrights as Europeans did at people experimenting in Europe, and the government gave them rather LESS support on average. If the Wrights hadn't created the first plane, someone else would have, very shortly after. As it is, it was a case of inventing the design, and then having other nations perfect it for you (although of course it was mostly private individuals; "France" didn't advance aircraft design, people who happened to be French did).
Hans Von Ohain (german fellow) is the designer of the first operational jet engine, while Sir Frank Whittle invented the turbojet engine. Just to clear the air. :)
Elo
well us(the USA) had to protect Australia thats y the Battle of Guatalcanal happened to stop the advance of japanese military power and as the years dragged on we used australia as a command post for sometime but yall austrailians got to fight in Korea and Vietnam
Blind patriotism keeps you from researching it I'm afraid.
the americans stole alot of ideas from us when we were making jets they ended up useing our ideas we used their tecknoligy.... :) so kinda a win win lol
and were given a lot away as well
to help pay the bills
the less said about us doco's the better. as an australian l like to think we had a lot to do with wining the pacific war and could and would have dune more if our US master had allowed as too
this is wrong there was no allied jets in ww2 i have studied ww2 history watched hundreds of documentaries over the years especially ones about ww2 aircraft and i have never ever heard of or seen jets in ww2 only the me 262 realy late in the war.
the meteor came into to service 1947 or 1948 i think. didnt see active service until korea
wrong
+jbmilitarycollector Allied jet never shot down a single enemy plane during WW2.. they were hopelessly slow and very primitive.
+jbmilitarycollector very good reply, someone says something contradicting you're opinion and all you can say is wrong, realy showing you're intelligence and maturity there aren't you?
also i didn't say they didn't have any in the 40s but it was after the war not during the war as i said i have studied ww2 history not away to comment again as im not getting into an argument over the Internet.