wow that's absolutely insane. Especially feel sad for the narrator. Doesn't this set an awful precedent for content creation in Japan across the board? Scary stuff.
I think people already just have to deal with it. Think about all of the hololivers having to get permissions from companies to stream their games. Not something American streamers have to worry about but that's just how it is in Japan for now
Its probably because of the companies not wanting to have a *FAIR USE* law because it would affect their sales in their viewpoint atleast. Japan probably will never have a Fair Use law.
Fair use doesn't exist in Japan. Maybe in the future they'll arrest Gigguk for using anime footage. Considering he lives in Japan now. So many shows could take Gigguk to court
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@@ratoh1710 It depends, Kadokawa only covers variety of anime, etc. not all of them. He is most likely under the mercy of anime publisher unless he gets permission. For example, Fate series is owned by Sony. If he used the property without permission and If they feel like it, garnt can get into trouble. That is why if you look at Hololive, they will go out of their way to get permission to stream other people stuff. If not, the won't use it. Lastly, UA-cam fair use policy does not supersede the law of the location you live in.
Honestly, i didn't know fair use doesn't exist in Japan, and this definitely makes sense when I remember all those times Nintendo directly screwed over content creators
@@Austin_2600Everywhere have different laws and views so everyone should be mindful of it. For example, some people will be asking why christmas music is being played in November when those people starts saying Thanksgiving still needs to be celebrate. Unfortunately, those people didn't realize that Thanksgiving is an American thing and other people from different nation don't have it.
It looks like they treat bad things equally. They don't recognize which one is bad, which one is worse, which one is worst. Yeah they all go jail and pay high fines. (Like doesn't need to put them to jail seriously, just block their vid/channel or just pay fines) I hope i'm just misunderstanding these.
The punishment for murder in Japan is life in prison or death, so it is rather unlikely that a murderer will be kept in the same facility as someone like the dude in the video.
This is just painful. There were numerous ways to handle this like block the video or put a claim on it. Which, I don't agree with those two choices but those are options. Instead, the studio took the most drastic route and now the three are going to have a fee and jail time.
I agree this was extreme, but it was honestly the best way to deal with it for the studio; think about it: "do i sue this channel and get hundreds of thousands or just get the video blocked and get no money or put my claim on the video and get 100% of the revenue which is going to be less than hundreds of thousands of yen"
As far as I know, Japanese company are still rolling into the internet so they would not recognize taking claims on videos as 'legal act' and Japanese rule are strict af
I tried to research why Japans copyright-laws are still as strict as they are, and what I found out might be the answer why. A lot of film studios paniced in the 80ies when the VCR finally became affordable for a regular Japanese household. People started to just buy empty tapes, record/copy any movie they had gotten their hands on/ran on TV and then they would start to meet up and trade them with others for free. Think of this like an very archaic analog version of early youtube were people uploaded entire TV-shows and movies on youtube for example. Japan already had issues enforcing broken copyright because there was barely any protection put on the official purchasable tapes and the like, hence why both VHS tapes as well as DVD's later costed way more in Japan then they do in the west. A DVD-set of an entire anime season, which would run for maybe 60+ Dollars/Euro in west, could cost normally around 300 Dollar/Euro in Japan and the regular DVD for a recently released Kamen Rider movie costs at least around 70 Dollar/Euro for example. As silly as this sounds, this is Japans way to combat the piracy issue. Instead of going after the pirates they are charging the honest customers more, and because this system kinda works for them at least (+ Japans generall attitude towards change) the copyright laws were never really updated or reformed, leading to what we heard in this video.
They, like most of the world's law are written for the 1990's at best, news flash, We don't live in the 90's anymore. Crazy idea, laws are to be written by people knowledgeable in the subject. Didn't japans like minister of cyber security now know what a usb drive was?
Sometimes it sucks living in a country that’s being run by old out-of-touch politicians and lawmakers. I am hearing more from the locals of how much they wish there were more young people who are interested in politics
I think it is a similar sentiment for alot of countries (even Western). Politics is sometimes really really really slow in coming to terms with a changing society (especially with technology). And the main reason is that politics are run by older politicians. We really need more younger politicians to go in to represent the more current society rather than an out-of-touch society.
This is definitely a problem in all over the world We don’t know how for long the out-of-touch boomers did stupid things to us. They can’t keep up with the fast change in globalization today and decided to try to slowing it down with their antics while we suffer from it Goddamn, why do these people live longer than the kind boomers?
The same people that follow the censorship laws that were forced on them in the 1860's, though it was to block western things out, they did it to their own stuff.
Not really surprised. Japan doesn't do Fair Use. VKunia had her channel shut down cause Studio Ghibli got pissed over her reaction/review videos of their movies. She tried to contact them and they didn't even respond. They were simply: "You can't do that. We'll shut you down."
Let's be honest, Fair Use has been going more and more out the window for a while, anyway. So long as some company has the rights to something, they won't hesitate to strike at the first movement they see. Doesn't matter if it's for educational puporses, if it's transformative, or anything. That's why people like Gaijin Goomba have a hard time making some actual interesting/analytical/educational content. Looking at you, Last Samurai video.
Fair use is a copyright limitation unique to the US. Other countries haves similar doctrines, but they don't let you do as much as fair use. Afaik, Japan does not have any sort of fair use or fair dealing law.
@@technophobian2962 As Joey mentioned, UA-cam itself has some guidelines and rules around the Fair Use concept, and is used internationaly. One would thing some countries would take that into account, and yet...
@@Adraeth What a company decides doesn't matter for governments. And it's a good thing. Companies shouldn't be above the law of a country. Also, it's a good thing laws from other countries don't apply to your country, and vice versa. Different countries means different realities, which means different laws are needed. It's just common sense. What isn't a good thing is how backwards some governments are when it comes to the Internet. They could amend their laws to make them more suitable for our century, but a lot of them just don't. I do hope it's gonna change in the near future, as older politicians retire and younger ones who actually understand the era we live in are elected in their place.
@@Mercure250 I didn't meant they should take company policies as laws, just that they could have thought about it since their own laws are outdated and the people deciding them are 30 years behind to the point of not understanding the things they're supposed to decide laws for.
“Pay the damages” is such bull too, they are free advertising… at least in the west, you have to actually prove that their taking of your copyright product negatively impacted your sales. Reviewers increase awareness of the product without actually providing you with the product.
From what I have read, ファスト映画 (fast movie) isn't the typical movie review or breakdown like what we used to watch in the west. It's making summary of movies without adding any value/opinion, which I doubt would fall under "fair use" even in the US. This kind of videos is quite popular in the Chinese side of UA-cam (not sure about in Japan) but I have not seen any in English. There was even a famous Taiwanese youtuber who got into lawsuit for making "Watch abc movie in 5 minutes" videos few years ago.
I've been seeing many English channels with similar ideas being recommended to me. Off the top of my head Daniel CC Movies, Mystery Recapped, Story Recapped, and a few more. To be honest, I've probably watched hundreds of recap videos in the past few months and I basically have zero interest in watching those movies now since I know what happens. At least for the channels I've mentioned, calling them "reviews" might be a stretch as they are usually a scene by scene summary of the movies. Some of the channels at least throw in some jokes, but I don't know if that is enough for fair use or not.
Your comment is spot on. The video that makes money by just explaining the whole movie using their clips is not a "review", and it is not the problem of "fair use". It's also not an "advertisement" because the viewer can know the ending of the movie in that video and won't watch the original movie. They will be punished in one way or another in any country, even in the United States. Many people here criticize the Japanese legal system, misunderstanding what they have actually done.
This explains why Nintendo is suing people and taking down all kinds of fan made games/materials involving their property, it doesn’t matter if it is made out of passion or releasing it for free.
Meanwhile other Japanese companies like SEGA don't do the same crap Nintendo does. It doesn't matter what the law says, it's a matter if they'll enforce these crappy archaic laws. And Nintendo is evil for the crap that they have been doing.
Another thing to note is that Fair Use isn’t an actual law, it’s a legal defense, which means it can only be utilized in court, which a lot of UA-camrs can’t really afford to take part in.
It is a legal doctrine established by legal precedents in many countries (and as pointed out by another commentator below it is a law in the US) but its boundaries are indeed blurry enough that it's only useful when trying to defend yourself in court. If you can't afford going to court in the first place, it doesn't give you much power.
And that's only a thing in the US and some other European countries. Unfortunatly Japan being Japan, they don't have any sort of fair use law. This is probably the main reason why "japanesse youtubers" don't post content outside of them doing something in their house or outside
In America... It Fair Use is a law, but only if you follow its written law... Avoid grey areas, if possible. Only fools sue in a losing lawsuit or are fraudulent in nature... In regard to American Copyright Law.
It's almost getting to the point where you can't use any audio/video/image for content online without getting copyright claimed or even arrested, I thought we were supposed to be progressing forward as a society not backwards 😠😩
This is progress from the perspective of the large corporations that control the majority of the worlds IP and who have spent many years buying politicians to write restrictive copyright laws for them.
I guess it depends on whose perspective we're talking about. From a company perspective, reaction channel, gaming channel, and even review content play a huge role in their sale. Like, think about it, monetising a review video? You're making profit by just talking about a project someone else made, almost no effort put in there. Theres plenty other platform for reviews like MAL, or Rotten Tomatoes, etc. But at the same time, a well done review video (mostly like what garnt did on how he put comedy stuff and good editing) give a free promotion and attention to things that people wont notice without it. Like, i remember People complaining about atlus giving a strict rule not to stream Persona 5 up to a certain point, when they have every right to do so. But people act as if atlus is doing something wrong when technically every game is protected under copyright law unless they specifically said a-ok to stream it. Stuff like that makes you question what passable as fair use.
@@daffaagung "Like, think about it, monetising a review video? You're making profit by just talking about a project someone else made, almost no effort put in there" That argument would apply equally to all forms of journalism, product reviews, and and history text books. And exactly what do you think those reviews on "other platforms" do differently?
In regard to America Copyright Law... Play games on Stream is a grey area... But reviewing or creating a Parody of a game through Fair Use etc. Works both ways... It's good to have home base for both sides of the jurisdictions... But Hololive is cautious about it, either way.
I still remember the massive video purge. Some even just outright deleted. Hell, I just knew that HoloGra used to have some anime parody like FSN Heaven’s Feel
They literally have to keep asking for permission to be able to advertise game for free there lmao Like if they allow you today, doesn't mean they gonna allow you to play the same game next week.
Out of complete curiousity, I've always wondered how Garnt manages to get away with with techinally using Japanese copyrighted material in his videos while being the biggest anituber on the platform and living in Japan. Maybe Kadokawa got him the rights? Or the anime side of things don't give as much of a fuck? Or perhaps they ignore the English speaking side of things? Just a bit worried considering what happened here. Hope you boys stay safe.
If they arrest a foreigner on something like that then the home country would get involved and it would damage japans reputation. Esspicailly since garnt has a following so it wouldn't be able to be hidden.
@@bigpigperry Yea but the guys that got arrested used only screen shots and little clips of the movies they talked about. As far as I know that’s much less content than what Gigguk uses in his videos.
I’m pretty sure Joey didn’t see the contents of the said “Fast movie” account. I did, and I can say that it would be quite a stretch to call them movie reviews. Basically, they shrink the entire movie into 20 mins, remove the audio, and add the narration to fill the gap. It’s like JPEG where you still can enjoy the art piece despite some of the details being trimmed off. Since you get almost the entirety of the story telling, I felt the same sensation / satisfaction after watching a long movie to an extent that I didn’t feel the need to watch the longer version. Is this “fair use”? It’s gray, but pretty likely it is not.
Oh yeh, throw them in jail then with hard labour. Can't have poor people using their initiative and doing in 20 mins what many millions and a massive corporation can do in 1-4 years, can we?
@@kokunaijin uh if you could actually read the article, it says 3-4 years of probation period, so no, they are not going to to jail. Criminal record hurts a lot in Japan, but they accepted their sentence. If they thought the sentence was unlawful/unconstitutional, they could appeal to high court. But seemingly they didn’t.
What bothers me the most with situations like these is that we end up jailing people who are NOT criminals. UK jails and fines people for using "insulting" language. Japan jails and fines people for using a movie clip. How is this okay?
@@LeNavarog America has not done that in a long time. Cancel them and get them fired sure but not jail them based on skin color or looks. Though if you have natural porcelain skin the doctors might try to keep you as they would think you are still sick and then they might think you are anorexic as it is hard to see the muscle on that skin tone
This actually explains a lot of what Nintendo's practices are. I know that the Mario community in USA and Canada had huge issues playing Nintendo games as they would have their stuff claimed when it should have been considered "fair use". Even today, Twitch cannot play a certain Castle Theme because of these laws and it made Nintendo seem petty. However, understanding that the concept of fair use doesn't exist in Japan gives some reasoning to their actions.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 but they can copywright claim the music... They used to be netorious, but eventually started to see how the community was helping their sales and have become a lot more lenient. Still a pain, but at least you can play the new games online without a copywright strike.
@@Maninawig American Fair Use Law does not protect against gameplay or music unless you are criticizing (or using Fair Use as written) about the gameplay or music itself. Even now. Nintendo can still yoink the DMCA unless the videos are of the particular Fair Use Categories in America. They only choose not to.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 most DMCAs are rejected because the streamer normally speaks through it about their own things or criticize the game, making it transformative. That said, Nintendo attacks full force, with music and everything, often leaving the Mario community using other music while playing SMM2, for example in order to become fully compliant with fair use laws. Remember that UA-cam does not care about Fair Use laws during a DMCA takedown or a copywright claim. They have been caught giving random people a channel's money for literally a completely blank audio clip.
"Take a shot every time I say the word video by the way" Me: Guess I'll die. All jokes aside though, the copyright laws in Japan is insane. You have a better chance getting away with taking someone's life, than getting away with crossing the fair use policy.
Sadly, this feels like another thing to show how Japan is still in the dark ages when it comes to their laws and rules about certain things. Japan shows the world that they are so forward thinking in terms of tech but then they are stepping so far back with the laws. I feel like Japan really needs some of the younger generation in their law makers side in order to change some of those laws. Wasn't just a year or two ago that there was a law that said that hotels could not turn away people just because of their sexual orientation. I know the rest of the world also has problems with these sorts of laws but they seem so much better then Japan right now in that. Love Japan, am scared of the extremely strict laws that are very old school thought.
I mean that's why they always say, japan is definitely fun if you are visiting as a tourist but if you are living there then that's a totally different story. I love japan but i can't imagine myself living there
I think one of the boys said it best in one of the Trash Taste episode: Before the Japanese have a meeting, they’ll have another meeting to decide whether or not they should have a meeting. The only time Japanese hastily changes a law is when a tragedy has already happened.
Tech in japan is not advanced either… (fax machines). Sadly, the younger generation can’t do sh*t because the system is made so that you gain more power and money the older you are, young people are simply ignored. I don’t know how, but I hope that will change in the future.
@@teiadam134 “first world” doesn’t mean much technically. Just signals which side they took in the Cold War. “Developed” might be what you are thinking of
In Taiwan, we have similar arrest, as a digest is not considered fair use. Also fair use doesn’t exist in many countries, but in Japan, “reference” or quoting is OK, they need a better lawyer
Anime is probably different than a movie. Also maybe cause his UA-cam account was probably made in a different country it follows the laws the person is a citizen of
garnt doesn't have a Japanese Google account for his UA-cam channel. But the people that Joey is talking about have a Japanese UA-cam account so they get different rules. Also Garnt knows some of the studios.
@@Truecrimeresearcher224 given the fact that Japan is extremely xenophobic that would make me worry a lot more, although Joey says specifically JAPANESE UA-cam channel so ur probably rihht
I'd be very interested in knowing what Garnt's thoughts on this are, considering a lot of his videos mostly consist of anime clips and screenshots from various companies around Japan. Tbh, I'm a little concerned for him.
Garnt is employed under a company that is owned by kadokawa. Aka pretty much the largest anime studio joint company. Furthermore, he receives many sponsorships from markets like bookwalker so by all senses of the word unless garnt does something REALLY illegal, kadokawa basically has him covered. He'll they hired joey,connor,garnt and many other anime content creators knowing this in mind as well.
Reminds me very much of Nintendo. Makes fantastic games but when it comes to online, they are archaic and not competent... not to mention they used to copyright strike a lot of YT content in the recent past. I love a lot of stuff about Japan, but many things (like copyright) in Japan are still stuck in the past. Hopefully they will slowly improve.
Dude, I'm gen X. They existed when dialup was the norm. Hell, the internet is just an offshoot of an initial governmental network. Now, this is a USA perspective...As to what they can get them for, it's easy to get laws to fit these things. For example, you can't release early information that depreciates the value of a company's stock if it's privileged information. It's usually used the other way around, as insider trading. But it's just as legal to financially harm an entity (remember that corporations ARE essentially people). A copyrighted material is also treated essentially as a practical item like say Aluminum. People don't seem to get that laws rarely exist anywhere near the question it's supposed to answer. Most "common law" countries laws are established by lawsuit. This is just another example.
@@Christi-Ann.Pierantoni It is, well it definitely is, and I obviously don't know every other country's interpretation on corporations. That is why I stated at the beginning it was from a USA perspective. But one REALLY important thing to remember is that Alphabet, google & UA-cam's parent company is incorporated in the USA. So, any legal case will take place in the US unless the specific video is country restricted AND UA-cam operates some kind of permanent business within said country. They've already won that argument in legal cases before. But, it also opened them up to things like US anti-trust lawsuits. Honestly, when you think just how old UA-cam is now. When business done world wide was first started on the internet you see just how much the law lags behind the technology and it happens for every technology. Is it right for say a Mexican company to sue a Spanish UA-camr and have the case held literally anywhere and say it's fair?
I mean they could have gotten a ban and warning to not doing it again but damn, actual jail sentence and like 2 years? That's harsh and above and beyond, I can understand the "it's wrong so don't do it" side of view but nobody died, nobody was actually armed here other than maybe some company felt harmed (not that there is proof they actually got harmed) so more than a warning is a big wtf to me, I know I'm kind of an idealist but come one, let people enjoy themselves as long as it doesn't harm other too much and looking at Alcohol laws in Japan, this is just ridiculous
@@Christi-Ann.Pierantoni well they are, except the people that make the cutting edge technology dont have authority over the old fashioned folks who got into the business when floppy disks were in fashion
@@g76agi I don't know man 99,7% of japanese corporations and companies still use fax, a lot. And not just to communicate with the outdated burocratie. I'd say most cutting edge technologies today are being researched and developed in China, the USA and South Korea. Even Toyota's future Solid State Batteries were developed in cooperation with Samsung, and I believe most of the patents are run through Samsung itself.
Honestly, the whole world is so archaic. It's dumb when a company can almost have 70++years of copyright / patent and somehow they can keep extend it to infinity and the gov did nothing.
To be fair, those videos pretty much describe the movie in full. It isn't really a review. Once someone watches it, they will know the full story and probably won't watch the movie anymore.
Really sad to have 3 lives ruined for something so trivial in a place like Japan. From what I have read (and I know very little so correct me if I am wrong) Japanese jails are pretty horrific places to be, more comparable to US jails then European ones (in their treatment of prisoners).
@@eriklagergren7124 yeah I actually think so too. And despite I love japan I honestly think they deserve it. I mean that country is just fucked up. Lot of stuff just shouldn’t exist in this world exist there. Probably due to the fact that they developed really fast and than collapsed. If only they could resolve their economic crisis and start some kind of movements for their rights…
@@kappa5809 I think that person worded that poorly, Japan may have tons of ups, but it also has alot of long term problems the rest of the world doesnt really struggle with the same way, and only takes superfical and pointless means to fix the symptoms (not even the main symptoms) and ignoring the problems, or not even recognizing the problems at all. Because they dont teach economics in most Japanese schools they dont even know how fucked they are in regardes to the ecomomy. Their Copywright law barely registers as among these problems, more of a symptom really. I love Japan but I am geninuely concerned about its uncertain future and lack of meaningful positive socio-economic or cultural change.
@@haatothetomato That's true. Even I at one point thought Japan to be a country where everything works perfectly. Even had long term plans to study and work there. However, after finding out about the darkv side of Japan, I am really not sure about these plans anymore. Japan no doubt is still a great place to live but it's definitely not the best. I think in the 90s Japan was comparable to Scandinavian countries in terms of living standards and per capita income but now it's more similer France and Italy.
The article says 解説 or explanation/ summary. Was it actually a review channel or was it a summary channel because just summarizing could bring tangible losses for copyright holders. Also fair use is a u.s. law not a youtube thing(though could be just a verbal slip by joey), and even u.s. companies can freely sue you, they just don't because youtube's copyright system brings more profit than suing a person who will just file bankruptcy after. There's a tom scott video on the whole youtube copyright mess.
Speaking of permission I’ve seen creators actually get approval to make a video but then one person involved with the movie will be angry and try to get the video taken down or even harass the creator.
- jail time for modding things - Can't go places because of any tattoo - Afraid of the number 4 and 9 - Over working employees to literal death - and now getting Arrested just because they reviewed a film If this doesn't show that fiction is more realistic than reality, then I don't know what will Edit: found out that Japan doesn't have the highest suicide rates in the world, even tho I was specifically talking about Japan alone, but it's my bad still, I apologize
You forgot negative population growth numbers and adult diapers being bought more than babies being born. Sounds like something out of Children of Men.
A: "I killed a man." B: "I rob banks." C: "I kill people and rob banks." D: "Please go easy on me, I narrated movie reviews." A, B, and C: *"... GUARDSSS!!! Get me away from this celll! PLEASEEE!! I'm gonna geet KILLED!!!"*
A bit of stuff I would add - The videos that “Fast movie” uploaded were not a movie reviews, rather a recap video summarizing movies into 10mins with narration. - Those guys were uploading for monetary purpose - “Fast movies” upload videos of movies produced specifically by production Companies who does not have records in Copyright infringement lawsuit so they don’t get sued. - Film industries in Japan are estimated to lose 95.6 billion yen (roughly 90million usd) due to those unlicensed movie recap sort of videos on youtube. -First case in Japan to have criminal procedure related to movie recap video. I did not get why they were sent to jain and was a civil lawsuit but damn, fair use really doesn’t exist
It seems this move was aimed to attack this kind of videos, "fast movies" as they called them. They are definitely not "reaction videos", nor "reviews". Really, I find the lack of a proper coverage of the situation in this video rater disappointing.
Yeah it’s literally called “fast movie”. It’s a channel for people who don’t have time to go to theater or don’t won’t pay watching movie. Imagine if “fast anime” exist. It will definitely damage the anime industry
@@manudollfie as per usual, Joey doesn't do any extensive fact checks for his reaction article videos (even if he said he does, not very convincing since he messed up three times now afaik)
Fair use only exists in the US. This is something a lot of people don't realise and they end up getting fucked over because of it. Other countries have fair dealing laws, but they are nowhere near as lenient as fair use. The one thing that Japan has that is much stricter than other countries is the 2 year prison sentence. Afaik, most other countries don't put people in prison for breaking copyright laws. The fines they have could be just as devastating though. My opinion is that copyright law needs to be completely abolished all around the world, or at the very least made a lot more lenient. Copyright law in the 21st century is an absolute joke.
Copyright law is supposed to protect smaller creators too and legal protection is often an incentive for artists. Of course, the sad reality is that big companies use these laws to their advantage but I don’t think abolishing copyright laws is the answer…
and most of the time, companies just flat out ignore it in the U.S with no consequences. that's what happened around 2018-2019 where music companies were just striking for music they didn't even own and monetizing unmonetized videos through that
There is an Argentinian channel called "Te lo resumo así nomás" that practically does the same thing and they never had a problem with UA-cam or the original copyright holders... as far as I know.
@@nexustom5823 Lo bueno del internet hispanohablante es que somo mas ignorados por la misma gente que le hace la vida imposible a los creadores de contenido de habla inglesa con el tema del copyright.
Listen, I understand that you don't blame them for thier views on copyright, but really? 2 years of jail? Why can't they just claim it and make all the money they would anyway instead of resorting to such extreme measures?
I hate using this word but Boomers thats why they think nothing is going to change unless there is some sort of hard punishment towards every infraction even if it is very small and not malicious just to discourage others from doing it which in turn makes them start losing money and wonder why
If you could read the article, it says that numerous copyright violation statements were being filed from different companies, and the defendant simply continued to create their contents from … the companies that they didn’t receive any complaints from. They had plenty of time to acknowledge the illegality of their activity. Plus, the article also states that they were sentenced 3-4 years of probation so they won’t be going to jail -unless they do the same thing again or commit other crimes.
I thought they were arrested for showing the entire 🍿. Or a missive portion of it. Wth? How did this happen? Clips and a still frame after it has been released? Wild. …
i don't know about this specific guy, but there are a lot of "review" channels that basically speedrun the entire plot of movies in couple minute, definitely effortless and affecting the movie
There used to be a go kart service in Kyoto where they dressed up the people in the Mario franchise costumes to resemble Mario kart ...not anymore!! Copyright claims are fun!
It’s so crazy because at the end of the day it’s free advertising! See people dressed up in karts you’ll think about playing the game. A movie studio is awesome and actually allows people to review them you’ll seek them out and watch their movies.
Things are pretty strict in Japan. I remember hearing about 2 people getting arrested one for selling a Shiny Sobble in Pokemon and the other for purchasing it
I've often wondered about where the line is drawn with regard to fair use, especially in this day and age where a bunch of reviewers and reactors are profiting off others' content using Patreon. Feels like so far a lot of copyright holders are keeping an eye close to the Patreon thing and treating it like promotion of their work, but at some point I suppose they have to crack down on it......
I saw this news the day they were arrested and ask UA-camrs like Yuta if they do seek permission from every company to use anime footage, but no one answered me. Only one thing you did not mention (or i was not paying attention) on this same piece of news you are showing on scream it is saying they got a suspended sentence, witch means they are not going to jail as long as they follow the terms of the probation. I believe the point was only to scare people from doing this type of videos.
From my half-assed Japanese: TLDR of the article, The first guy got sentenced to 2 years in prison and fined 17.500 USD, the second guy got jail time for 1 year + 6 months and fined 8700 USD, and the third guy received the same 1 year + 6 months jail time and fined for 4300 USD. Although the "main" (there are more) problem arose from infringing the copyrights of Nikkatsu and Toho, the one who is actually pulling the string is *The Content Overseas Distribution Association* (CODA). I was genuinely surprised when back then I'd learned that Joey actually has been living in Japan, considering the stuff he's been making.
Full Japanese here. I would like to add that the sentence includes 3-4 years of probation/suspension meaning that they are not going to jail unless they commit another crime during those years. I see people freaking out that they are immediately going to jail. No, it’s not like that.
@@keinick4569 But the article said (in this line "一方、3名の弁護側は反省の態度が見られるなどとして、執行猶予付きの判決を求めていた,") that they are (the defendants or suspect) still trying to appeal for that suspension, right? So they have yet granted that suspension. Or did I read it wrong?
Change in law can take a really long time; and it also takes a really long time to write to every rightsholder to get permission, but (at least in the eu) the permission doesn't have to be all that formal. preferably written, yes, but I do believe a produktion company with the rights could put out a written statement that allowed, for instance, the use of snippets under 30 seconds with at least 2 minutes in between each, in videos on the internet. If you get a chance to, perhaps ask for a possibility of something like that. Whilst difficult, it may be a lot simpler than trying to get fair use right away. (I study media law at a very basic uni level, and I missed my class today, so maybe I'm wrong here, but I hope not.)
Using whole or majority of an IP is a grey area for legal issues. Reaction videos can tread dangerous grounds. Some companies take this to abusive levels, though.
I thought ファスト映画 was not reviews. They are abridged version of full movies. It makes a viewer able to understand the entire story without watching the full movie. Kinda like a cliff's notes version of a movie.
The problem whis this case is that they made many ”fast movies” which is literally just shortened version of the original movie and made a lot of money. And they got a suspended sentence so they won't actually be put in jail, idk why but Joey skipped over it. He is missing the point and makes a lot of people misunderstood.
Joey: "it's not until 4 or 5 years ago that the term 'youtube' & 'youtuber' were considered a normal thing & even considered an occupation" My brain: "AHHHR YOUUU YOOUTUUBAAH?!"
I´ve read an article about the case and it seems there wheren´t really reviews, what actually they did is making what is called "fast movies", where they read the entire synopsis of movies, something akin to read the plot in a Wikipedia page but also including some frames of said films, if I´ve understood correctly. Is this should be illegal or not I´m not sure.
I've seen some of these. Its just a cliff notes version of the movie with alot cut out, but its still the movie with no review cutaway like normal reviews.
Yes, while I fully agree that the copyright law in Japan is obsoleted, the videos these youtubers got arrested for are not even remotely close to what you'd expect from movie reviews. I'd say that this arrest was fairly reasonable and Joey is being a bit too sensational here.
@@aa-ml6ur the arrest does not seem reasonable a fine sure or even blocking or deleting their channel is even more reasonable than just arresting them for a few years paired with a fine
@@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena I'm pretty sure it's more of a warning to other youtubers. The police sometimes do this. They don't try and arrest every single one of them, just arrest a few with heavy penalties to pressure people not to do it.
This is interesting with MADs. Most of the times companies and animators are aware of them, and despite being illegal, they secretly support them by not taking action and just not talk about it publicly. Some even give permission to create sakuga MADs. This is pretty cool of them to do, but I think there should be more leeway for fair use laws in Japan.
When you said, "fair use," I was thinking but Japan isn't America; they have their own laws. Even so, this is crazy. Too bad about the jail time and fines.
On one hand, regular motivated(one backed with a actual reason) homicide isn't really high in Japan, but my god Japan has witnessed fucking massive heists and massacres, like the recent attack in the subway on Halloween. Also.......Yakuza........yeah. It's crazy to think that in Japan, either nothing will happen, or a huge massacre would ensue alongside the shady business that happens in the back alleys of Kabukicho and Osaka.
I thing I really have to edit my videos more. Even tho im not even in japan or japanese youtuber, but as my kontent related to it... I really didnt want to ended up like that. I really have to learn more about this. Thanks for the info.
Im very thankful for content like this because it stopped me from thinking about moving to Japan. Im from Germany and we too have a ton of old people, a lot of the problems are alike. However stuff like this, insane. Another country off the "free" list.
I think you should mention the concept of "fast films." This is not a simple problem with fair uses. As far as I hear, what they were making are not film reviews but film summaries. More and more people who don't want to bother watching all the popular films just watch the "fast films" and get it over. And that annoys filmmakers.
I swear Japan's justice system is possibly one of the most terrifying in the developed world, a 99% conviction rate doesn't happen in a system that is functioning properly and things like this only make it scarier.
The 99% conviction rate is a lie. In Japan, you are guilty until proven innocent. Unless you can prove that you're innocent, many people who have been convicted are pressured or even harassed to admit guilty to a crime they may not have committed, ensuring that the police have caught someone to be responsible (even if they're innocent), thus adding to their conviction rates.
@@Meimoons that’s false. In Japan you are innocent until proven guilty like any other country. The problem is not that part of the law that’s fucked up, it’s the people. As you said they try to find a reason to find you guilty at every cost and they don’t take their job seriously, partially because the system allows you to do so. I’m just saying it because in case something even happens to you, just resist and without a confession of proof they can’t do sh*t.
@@Meimoons Yeah maybe I worded it poorly but that was kind of my point. A 99% conviction is completely impossible without extreme levels of corruption... allegedly
@@powwowken2760 I guess you played Ace Attorney Ace Attorney really shows the truth, Japanese legal system is a joke, worse than most developing countries, not even going to compare it to developed countries. This makes Phoenix Wright an even greater hero of a defence attorney.
@@abhishekdasgupta9239 do you seriously believe Ace Attorney is an exact mirror of the real legal system in Japan? That’s worse than weeks claiming that the Japanese life is the same as anime.
I'm Japanese but I think this video is lacking in explanation. And the comment section helped me understand why Japan is often misunderstood on the internet.
when a guy gets 2 years for making movie reviews but the teenagers responsible for the Junko Furuta case get only a few years, thats when you know that japan's law is fucked.
Fair use Act only exist in the United States. You gotta know your laws in whatever country you live in (it's common sense). UA-cam as a US company has the fair use thing because that alligns with the United States laws that allows UA-cam to host your videos, so UA-cam will always allow you to upload anything as long as it comforms to the US laws but the country you live in has the right to apply its laws above everything else if the copyright holder asked for it, especially if the copyright material is from that country . Going to Japanese court (or any other country that isn't the US) and saying "But but ma fair use" is not gonna help you much unless your country has similar fair use inspired laws (still most are not as leniant and open as the actual USA fair use but it can work in countries like Canada and the UK). If you think Japan's copyright laws are strict then you should know the whole word's copyright laws are strict lol, some countries just choose to apply their laws and others turn a blind eye. UA-cam kinda gave poeple the illusion that fair use is a "universal thing" but again it is just a USA thing, some countries have also more friendly copyright laws but most of the rest of the world isn't.
But even in english speaking countries, people don't generally literally go t.o jail for copyright infringement. japanese law seems extreme in some cases
Do they really review the movies, like Roger Ebert style or are they one of those channels that just retell the story of a movie to give people the illusion that they have watched the movie? If the later then I have no sympathy for them regardless of copyright. Because that kind of “review” murders the art and the purpose of a movie. People who watch those kind of video to get to know a movie will never experience the art anymore.
Loved this video! the insights to the dynamics of cultures in asia is super cool! When I went to china it blew me away just how different things are over there, you can see what shit looks like when you have almost 0 interference from western cultures for most of history up until very recent times.
Couldn't a work around this be to setup a LLC in a different country i.e US or Australia/New Zealand, so when these companies come after you the jurisdiction of your channel if held in a different country. I'm no lawyer nor a expert in any laws of other nations but wouldn't it be possible?
Joey, you could have mentioned that they were not reviews. They were summaries of movies with scenes from the movie and a narrator summarizing the whole story over it. Thus, even if Japan had the same fair use laws as America, they would have been sued to hell and back regardless. Also, they had uploaded like 2k+ monetized videos from 55 accounts and were making huge bank off content that was definitely not fair use. You must have known all this since you're half-Japanese and can read all the news articles about the case. But I guess a video title implying that a Japanese youtuber gets arrested just for making movie reviews gets more views, huh?
Joey is causing quite a bit of misunderstanding in this video. On top of that, Joey skipped over the fact that they got probation, which is pretty vicious.
Ive seen channels on youtube that basically give you a condensed version of a movie with all plot points. They spoil the whole movie and it is not a review.
UA-cam doesn’t have a fair use policy, the US has a fair use law, and there are many similar laws in many countries, but not in japan. What UA-cam have that is unique is the content ID system and how copyright holders can use that to retroactively give you the right to use their copyrighted material in exchange for your video revenue. But they can also take you down, it’s up to them, in most cases.
wow that's absolutely insane. Especially feel sad for the narrator. Doesn't this set an awful precedent for content creation in Japan across the board? Scary stuff.
I think people already just have to deal with it. Think about all of the hololivers having to get permissions from companies to stream their games. Not something American streamers have to worry about but that's just how it is in Japan for now
Its probably because of the companies not wanting to have a *FAIR USE* law because it would affect their sales in their viewpoint atleast. Japan probably will never have a Fair Use law.
Blame the corporations
never expected lando to be here lol
Fair use doesn't exist in Japan. Maybe in the future they'll arrest Gigguk for using anime footage. Considering he lives in Japan now. So many shows could take Gigguk to court
This sort of over the top reaction from Japan is exactly what keeps me up at night.
True if you lived in Japan they would have given you a life sentence
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Edit: aussi elon musk was here
Elon
uh..Captain (GrandLine) Liam, what are you doing here ? I...Im not doing anything UwU
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Hopefully they don't crack down on the Manga community any more than they already have.
Next they're going to arrest Joey for having Japanese articles next to him throughout his videos
Don’t jinx it
but srsly though, would garnt be ok?
all of his videos are pretty much completely made off anime clips and screenshots.
Theoretically that could be a problem since the articles are copyrighted.
@@cream9292 He's probably fine because they've got GeeXPlus backing them and therefore by extension Kadokawa.
@@ratoh1710 It depends, Kadokawa only covers variety of anime, etc. not all of them. He is most likely under the mercy of anime publisher unless he gets permission. For example, Fate series is owned by Sony. If he used the property without permission and If they feel like it, garnt can get into trouble. That is why if you look at Hololive, they will go out of their way to get permission to stream other people stuff. If not, the won't use it. Lastly, UA-cam fair use policy does not supersede the law of the location you live in.
Honestly, i didn't know fair use doesn't exist in Japan, and this definitely makes sense when I remember all those times Nintendo directly screwed over content creators
This makes all those clips of Hololive JP getting worried about Henry Stickmin make sense. JP and USA have very different fair use laws.
@@Austin_2600Everywhere have different laws and views so everyone should be mindful of it. For example, some people will be asking why christmas music is being played in November when those people starts saying Thanksgiving still needs to be celebrate. Unfortunately, those people didn't realize that Thanksgiving is an American thing and other people from different nation don't have it.
Yea
Copyright infringement doesn’t exist in China.
No nation should be utilizing Christmas music torture until at least the month of Christmas, either way, to be fair.
_"Hey, I killed a man. What did you do?"_
_"I narrated movie reviews."_
Can't wait for that inevitable conversation in prison.
"Hey, I set a train on fire and stabbed multiple people in a joker costume. What did you do?"
"I narrated movie reviews."
It looks like they treat bad things equally.
They don't recognize which one is bad, which one is worse, which one is worst. Yeah they all go jail and pay high fines. (Like doesn't need to put them to jail seriously, just block their vid/channel or just pay fines)
I hope i'm just misunderstanding these.
@@Kawaiisikkusu All east asian countries are like this, they want crime to be harshly punished however petty a crime it is
@@Kawaiisikkusu They do discern them, though. It is just that the whole spectrum of punishments is shifted towards more severe.
The punishment for murder in Japan is life in prison or death, so it is rather unlikely that a murderer will be kept in the same facility as someone like the dude in the video.
bro two years though? that's fucking cruel
Japans justice systems and laws are fucked
I know right. And it was only 5-7 yrs for boys who raped 500x, torture for 44 days, and murder Junko Furuta. What the fuck is wrong with their system?
@@yyg4632 messy
Meanwhile kenshin autor Was arrested for owning Childvideo and didn't go to prison
@@roxasxiii7062 it shows where there prioritise is and what they accept
This is just painful. There were numerous ways to handle this like block the video or put a claim on it. Which, I don't agree with those two choices but those are options. Instead, the studio took the most drastic route and now the three are going to have a fee and jail time.
I agree this was extreme, but it was honestly the best way to deal with it for the studio; think about it:
"do i sue this channel and get hundreds of thousands or just get the video blocked and get no money or put my claim on the video and get 100% of the revenue which is going to be less than hundreds of thousands of yen"
I am the cool kid from Germany making videos for the USA and the rest of the world. I will make your day so don't say nay to me today, dear av
As far as I know, Japanese company are still rolling into the internet so they would not recognize taking claims on videos as 'legal act' and Japanese rule are strict af
Give us the name of the studio. We need to call them out and start protesting.
@@Nikolapestanac these three dudes aren't making hundreds of thousands. Shit I would be surprised if they even made more than 5-10k
I tried to research why Japans copyright-laws are still as strict as they are, and what I found out might be the answer why.
A lot of film studios paniced in the 80ies when the VCR finally became affordable for a regular Japanese household. People started to just buy empty tapes, record/copy any movie they had gotten their hands on/ran on TV and then they would start to meet up and trade them with others for free. Think of this like an very archaic analog version of early youtube were people uploaded entire TV-shows and movies on youtube for example.
Japan already had issues enforcing broken copyright because there was barely any protection put on the official purchasable tapes and the like, hence why both VHS tapes as well as DVD's later costed way more in Japan then they do in the west. A DVD-set of an entire anime season, which would run for maybe 60+ Dollars/Euro in west, could cost normally around 300 Dollar/Euro in Japan and the regular DVD for a recently released Kamen Rider movie costs at least around 70 Dollar/Euro for example.
As silly as this sounds, this is Japans way to combat the piracy issue. Instead of going after the pirates they are charging the honest customers more, and because this system kinda works for them at least (+ Japans generall attitude towards change) the copyright laws were never really updated or reformed, leading to what we heard in this video.
Wait how does charging more make ppl less pirate things?
@@bewzmo3476 people pirates the same amount, but income is about tha same since honest customers pay more
@@HelloOnepiece Umm I'm sorry I still don't get the logistic of this
@@bewzmo3476 you pay for 5 share of people who pirate when you buy a 300$ as an honest consumer.
Its their way of tackling this issue
@@starandeath4735 owh I get it thank you
Japanese copyright laws are outrageous.
They, like most of the world's law are written for the 1990's at best, news flash, We don't live in the 90's anymore.
Crazy idea, laws are to be written by people knowledgeable in the subject. Didn't japans like minister of cyber security now know what a usb drive was?
well there is Actor agency in Japanese that not allowed to released in PC because they do not want to MC in said game being modded
I feel so sad about the news😢
@@waskithonugroho3955 ah yes Johnnys thanks for giving us Yagami for 2 Games
@@eriklagergren7124 they were written just after the WW2 actually and just merely changed since digital world became thing
Sometimes it sucks living in a country that’s being run by old out-of-touch politicians and lawmakers. I am hearing more from the locals of how much they wish there were more young people who are interested in politics
I think it is a similar sentiment for alot of countries (even Western). Politics is sometimes really really really slow in coming to terms with a changing society (especially with technology). And the main reason is that politics are run by older politicians. We really need more younger politicians to go in to represent the more current society rather than an out-of-touch society.
Yeah..... young people.......if only there was a little bit higher birth rate.
This is definitely a problem in all over the world
We don’t know how for long the out-of-touch boomers did stupid things to us. They can’t keep up with the fast change in globalization today and decided to try to slowing it down with their antics while we suffer from it
Goddamn, why do these people live longer than the kind boomers?
The same people that follow the censorship laws that were forced on them in the 1860's, though it was to block western things out, they did it to their own stuff.
In Japan though, there's an age heirachy suystem.
Not really surprised. Japan doesn't do Fair Use.
VKunia had her channel shut down cause Studio Ghibli got pissed over her reaction/review videos of their movies. She tried to contact them and they didn't even respond. They were simply: "You can't do that. We'll shut you down."
The US is the only country that does fair use.
@@technophobian2962 wow
@@technophobian2962 land of the free baby.
@@technophobian2962 Well VKunia is an American UA-camr/streamer. I mentioned it since her channel was taken down because of a Japanese studio.
@@technophobian2962 ahh yes of course US is the only country in the west lol
Japan feel like sometimes it’s 3 steps forward and 5 back.
Could Garnt be a target for the clips of anime used in his videos?
Let's be honest, Fair Use has been going more and more out the window for a while, anyway.
So long as some company has the rights to something, they won't hesitate to strike at the first movement they see. Doesn't matter if it's for educational puporses, if it's transformative, or anything. That's why people like Gaijin Goomba have a hard time making some actual interesting/analytical/educational content.
Looking at you, Last Samurai video.
Fair use is a copyright limitation unique to the US. Other countries haves similar doctrines, but they don't let you do as much as fair use. Afaik, Japan does not have any sort of fair use or fair dealing law.
@@technophobian2962 As Joey mentioned, UA-cam itself has some guidelines and rules around the Fair Use concept, and is used internationaly. One would thing some countries would take that into account, and yet...
@@Adraeth the government gave this monopoly power to companies so they will use and abuse this power.
@@Adraeth What a company decides doesn't matter for governments. And it's a good thing. Companies shouldn't be above the law of a country. Also, it's a good thing laws from other countries don't apply to your country, and vice versa. Different countries means different realities, which means different laws are needed. It's just common sense.
What isn't a good thing is how backwards some governments are when it comes to the Internet. They could amend their laws to make them more suitable for our century, but a lot of them just don't. I do hope it's gonna change in the near future, as older politicians retire and younger ones who actually understand the era we live in are elected in their place.
@@Mercure250 I didn't meant they should take company policies as laws, just that they could have thought about it since their own laws are outdated and the people deciding them are 30 years behind to the point of not understanding the things they're supposed to decide laws for.
“Pay the damages” is such bull too, they are free advertising… at least in the west, you have to actually prove that their taking of your copyright product negatively impacted your sales. Reviewers increase awareness of the product without actually providing you with the product.
That would be easy to prove if it is a negative review
@@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena not just any negative impact, it should have to be a market substitute.
the only way to fight this is by boycotting the company
@@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena negative publicity is still publicity
@@momogi618 only if you don't get cancelled from it
From what I have read, ファスト映画 (fast movie) isn't the typical movie review or breakdown like what we used to watch in the west. It's making summary of movies without adding any value/opinion, which I doubt would fall under "fair use" even in the US.
This kind of videos is quite popular in the Chinese side of UA-cam (not sure about in Japan) but I have not seen any in English. There was even a famous Taiwanese youtuber who got into lawsuit for making "Watch abc movie in 5 minutes" videos few years ago.
Yes, the core problem isn't fair use. It's effing making a summary of the movie so you don't have to watch it anymore.
"Hi, Movie Recaps here"
this
I've been seeing many English channels with similar ideas being recommended to me. Off the top of my head Daniel CC Movies, Mystery Recapped, Story Recapped, and a few more. To be honest, I've probably watched hundreds of recap videos in the past few months and I basically have zero interest in watching those movies now since I know what happens. At least for the channels I've mentioned, calling them "reviews" might be a stretch as they are usually a scene by scene summary of the movies. Some of the channels at least throw in some jokes, but I don't know if that is enough for fair use or not.
Your comment is spot on. The video that makes money by just explaining the whole movie using their clips is not a "review", and it is not the problem of "fair use". It's also not an "advertisement" because the viewer can know the ending of the movie in that video and won't watch the original movie. They will be punished in one way or another in any country, even in the United States.
Many people here criticize the Japanese legal system, misunderstanding what they have actually done.
This explains why Nintendo is suing people and taking down all kinds of fan made games/materials involving their property, it doesn’t matter if it is made out of passion or releasing it for free.
Meanwhile other Japanese companies like SEGA don't do the same crap Nintendo does. It doesn't matter what the law says, it's a matter if they'll enforce these crappy archaic laws. And Nintendo is evil for the crap that they have been doing.
@@ZXNovaBoom True, SEGA is scummy, but at least they hire people who are good at making fan games instead of arresting them.
Another thing to note is that Fair Use isn’t an actual law, it’s a legal defense, which means it can only be utilized in court, which a lot of UA-camrs can’t really afford to take part in.
It is a legal doctrine established by legal precedents in many countries (and as pointed out by another commentator below it is a law in the US) but its boundaries are indeed blurry enough that it's only useful when trying to defend yourself in court. If you can't afford going to court in the first place, it doesn't give you much power.
@@DominoPivot I don’t believe Japan has the same precedents for fair use as countries like the US or UK
It is a part of the law in the US. 17 U.S.C. § 107
And that's only a thing in the US and some other European countries. Unfortunatly Japan being Japan, they don't have any sort of fair use law. This is probably the main reason why "japanesse youtubers" don't post content outside of them doing something in their house or outside
In America... It Fair Use is a law, but only if you follow its written law... Avoid grey areas, if possible.
Only fools sue in a losing lawsuit or are fraudulent in nature... In regard to American Copyright Law.
If only Mark lived in Japan... Toei wants to arrest his ass so bad
It's almost getting to the point where you can't use any audio/video/image for content online without getting copyright claimed or even arrested, I thought we were supposed to be progressing forward as a society not backwards 😠😩
This is progress from the perspective of the large corporations that control the majority of the worlds IP and who have spent many years buying politicians to write restrictive copyright laws for them.
I guess it depends on whose perspective we're talking about. From a company perspective, reaction channel, gaming channel, and even review content play a huge role in their sale. Like, think about it, monetising a review video? You're making profit by just talking about a project someone else made, almost no effort put in there. Theres plenty other platform for reviews like MAL, or Rotten Tomatoes, etc. But at the same time, a well done review video (mostly like what garnt did on how he put comedy stuff and good editing) give a free promotion and attention to things that people wont notice without it.
Like, i remember People complaining about atlus giving a strict rule not to stream Persona 5 up to a certain point, when they have every right to do so. But people act as if atlus is doing something wrong when technically every game is protected under copyright law unless they specifically said a-ok to stream it. Stuff like that makes you question what passable as fair use.
@@ramel684
The Extinction of Mankind will be a wonderful show... Especially those who can replace them.
@@daffaagung
Hail to Corruption... Such is the old war... It never truly ended.
@@daffaagung "Like, think about it, monetising a review video? You're making profit by just talking about a project someone else made, almost no effort put in there"
That argument would apply equally to all forms of journalism, product reviews, and and history text books. And exactly what do you think those reviews on "other platforms" do differently?
Explains why Hololive is so precious about what it greenlight's the girls the play/sing etc
In regard to America Copyright Law...
Play games on Stream is a grey area...
But reviewing or creating a Parody of a game through Fair Use etc. Works both ways...
It's good to have home base for both sides of the jurisdictions...
But Hololive is cautious about it, either way.
I still remember the massive video purge. Some even just outright deleted.
Hell, I just knew that HoloGra used to have some anime parody like FSN Heaven’s Feel
They literally have to keep asking for permission to be able to advertise game for free there lmao
Like if they allow you today, doesn't mean they gonna allow you to play the same game next week.
Out of complete curiousity, I've always wondered how Garnt manages to get away with with techinally using Japanese copyrighted material in his videos while being the biggest anituber on the platform and living in Japan. Maybe Kadokawa got him the rights? Or the anime side of things don't give as much of a fuck? Or perhaps they ignore the English speaking side of things? Just a bit worried considering what happened here. Hope you boys stay safe.
Lol the anime side definitely gives a fuck and they definitely care about the English ones too. I'm guessing he has permission
Omg that’s exactly what I was thinking a minute ago. You’ve literally read my mind.
Gigguk's vedios are heavily edited.
If they arrest a foreigner on something like that then the home country would get involved and it would damage japans reputation. Esspicailly since garnt has a following so it wouldn't be able to be hidden.
@@bigpigperry Yea but the guys that got arrested used only screen shots and little clips of the movies they talked about. As far as I know that’s much less content than what Gigguk uses in his videos.
I’m pretty sure Joey didn’t see the contents of the said “Fast movie” account. I did, and I can say that it would be quite a stretch to call them movie reviews. Basically, they shrink the entire movie into 20 mins, remove the audio, and add the narration to fill the gap. It’s like JPEG where you still can enjoy the art piece despite some of the details being trimmed off. Since you get almost the entirety of the story telling, I felt the same sensation / satisfaction after watching a long movie to an extent that I didn’t feel the need to watch the longer version. Is this “fair use”? It’s gray, but pretty likely it is not.
So its like the youtube channel foundflix
@@runescapedreamer450 looked at one of his videos; his voice was so obnoxious I couldn’t bear watching it
@@keinick4569 It does sound like he got nasal congestion 24/7 XD
Oh yeh, throw them in jail then with hard labour. Can't have poor people using their initiative and doing in 20 mins what many millions and a massive corporation can do in 1-4 years, can we?
@@kokunaijin uh if you could actually read the article, it says 3-4 years of probation period, so no, they are not going to to jail. Criminal record hurts a lot in Japan, but they accepted their sentence. If they thought the sentence was unlawful/unconstitutional, they could appeal to high court. But seemingly they didn’t.
What bothers me the most with situations like these is that we end up jailing people who are NOT criminals.
UK jails and fines people for using "insulting" language.
Japan jails and fines people for using a movie clip.
How is this okay?
yeah it just becomes a waste of resources and money - and then those who set up those laws complain about lack of funding for law enforcement ?
Its moments like these that make me really hate interacting with the 3D world ngl
Don't forget America, we jail people based on looks and skin color alone
@@LeNavarog America has not done that in a long time. Cancel them and get them fired sure but not jail them based on skin color or looks. Though if you have natural porcelain skin the doctors might try to keep you as they would think you are still sick and then they might think you are anorexic as it is hard to see the muscle on that skin tone
Proof that despite what they say it isn't about rehabilitation, it's about punishment and vengeance.
This actually explains a lot of what Nintendo's practices are.
I know that the Mario community in USA and Canada had huge issues playing Nintendo games as they would have their stuff claimed when it should have been considered "fair use". Even today, Twitch cannot play a certain Castle Theme because of these laws and it made Nintendo seem petty. However, understanding that the concept of fair use doesn't exist in Japan gives some reasoning to their actions.
True... But even Nintendo cannot exceed Fair Use (as it is written in law) in America... But justice is a costly victory for Profit.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 but they can copywright claim the music...
They used to be netorious, but eventually started to see how the community was helping their sales and have become a lot more lenient. Still a pain, but at least you can play the new games online without a copywright strike.
@@Maninawig
American Fair Use Law does not protect against gameplay or music unless you are criticizing (or using Fair Use as written) about the gameplay or music itself.
Even now. Nintendo can still yoink the DMCA unless the videos are of the particular Fair Use Categories in America.
They only choose not to.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 most DMCAs are rejected because the streamer normally speaks through it about their own things or criticize the game, making it transformative. That said, Nintendo attacks full force, with music and everything, often leaving the Mario community using other music while playing SMM2, for example in order to become fully compliant with fair use laws.
Remember that UA-cam does not care about Fair Use laws during a DMCA takedown or a copywright claim. They have been caught giving random people a channel's money for literally a completely blank audio clip.
@@Maninawig
Only because no one has money to enforce the law properly... But it is to be expected as the norm... "Who controls the world?"
"take a shot everytime i say the word video by the way" ummmmmmm. joey idk about you my man but I want to live lol
Oh, those kinda shots. Seriously thought he ment screenshots....
Now what am I supposed to do with all these pics?
@@DarkDragonSlayer That's a great idea :D I will screenshot the screenshots and sell it for an even higher price.
"Take a shot every time I say the word video by the way"
Me: Guess I'll die.
All jokes aside though, the copyright laws in Japan is insane. You have a better chance getting away with taking someone's life, than getting away with crossing the fair use policy.
I just read a crime-psychology manga and I can say that's interesting
Gigguk who does anime reviews and shows snippets: _nervous sweating_
Yi
@@bmo3778 sauce?
@@Aura96968 bloody monday
Sadly, this feels like another thing to show how Japan is still in the dark ages when it comes to their laws and rules about certain things. Japan shows the world that they are so forward thinking in terms of tech but then they are stepping so far back with the laws. I feel like Japan really needs some of the younger generation in their law makers side in order to change some of those laws. Wasn't just a year or two ago that there was a law that said that hotels could not turn away people just because of their sexual orientation.
I know the rest of the world also has problems with these sorts of laws but they seem so much better then Japan right now in that. Love Japan, am scared of the extremely strict laws that are very old school thought.
I mean that's why they always say, japan is definitely fun if you are visiting as a tourist but if you are living there then that's a totally different story. I love japan but i can't imagine myself living there
I think one of the boys said it best in one of the Trash Taste episode: Before the Japanese have a meeting, they’ll have another meeting to decide whether or not they should have a meeting.
The only time Japanese hastily changes a law is when a tragedy has already happened.
Tech in japan is not advanced either… (fax machines). Sadly, the younger generation can’t do sh*t because the system is made so that you gain more power and money the older you are, young people are simply ignored. I don’t know how, but I hope that will change in the future.
The rest of the world has these problems but the key thing is that Japan is a first world so called democracy leader that has these problems
@@teiadam134 “first world” doesn’t mean much technically. Just signals which side they took in the Cold War. “Developed” might be what you are thinking of
In Taiwan, we have similar arrest, as a digest is not considered fair use. Also fair use doesn’t exist in many countries, but in Japan, “reference” or quoting is OK, they need a better lawyer
How does Gigguk/ Garnt not get absolutely destroyed over this then… he’s got tons of clips from anime…
Anime is probably different than a movie. Also maybe cause his UA-cam account was probably made in a different country it follows the laws the person is a citizen of
garnt doesn't have a Japanese Google account for his UA-cam channel.
But the people that Joey is talking about have a Japanese UA-cam account so they get different rules. Also Garnt knows some of the studios.
@@Truecrimeresearcher224 given the fact that Japan is extremely xenophobic that would make me worry a lot more, although Joey says specifically JAPANESE UA-cam channel so ur probably rihht
I think that’s why Joey said “that’s why I haven’t opened a Japanese UA-cam account “ I’m assuming Garnt has a UK account
@@jblubber7037 Does he meant by not creating one in Japan or is it something else? since his 2nd Channel Joey was created in Japan.
I'd be very interested in knowing what Garnt's thoughts on this are, considering a lot of his videos mostly consist of anime clips and screenshots from various companies around Japan. Tbh, I'm a little concerned for him.
Garnt is employed under a company that is owned by kadokawa. Aka pretty much the largest anime studio joint company. Furthermore, he receives many sponsorships from markets like bookwalker so by all senses of the word unless garnt does something REALLY illegal, kadokawa basically has him covered. He'll they hired joey,connor,garnt and many other anime content creators knowing this in mind as well.
Gotta say I enjoy these videos where Joey just read an article and talks about em, pretty chill
Reminds me very much of Nintendo. Makes fantastic games but when it comes to online, they are archaic and not competent... not to mention they used to copyright strike a lot of YT content in the recent past. I love a lot of stuff about Japan, but many things (like copyright) in Japan are still stuck in the past. Hopefully they will slowly improve.
Dude, I'm gen X. They existed when dialup was the norm. Hell, the internet is just an offshoot of an initial governmental network.
Now, this is a USA perspective...As to what they can get them for, it's easy to get laws to fit these things. For example, you can't release early information that depreciates the value of a company's stock if it's privileged information. It's usually used the other way around, as insider trading. But it's just as legal to financially harm an entity (remember that corporations ARE essentially people). A copyrighted material is also treated essentially as a practical item like say Aluminum.
People don't seem to get that laws rarely exist anywhere near the question it's supposed to answer. Most "common law" countries laws are established by lawsuit. This is just another example.
I thought the ‘corporations are people’ concept could only be found in the States?
@@Christi-Ann.Pierantoni It is, well it definitely is, and I obviously don't know every other country's interpretation on corporations. That is why I stated at the beginning it was from a USA perspective.
But one REALLY important thing to remember is that Alphabet, google & UA-cam's parent company is incorporated in the USA. So, any legal case will take place in the US unless the specific video is country restricted AND UA-cam operates some kind of permanent business within said country. They've already won that argument in legal cases before. But, it also opened them up to things like US anti-trust lawsuits.
Honestly, when you think just how old UA-cam is now. When business done world wide was first started on the internet you see just how much the law lags behind the technology and it happens for every technology. Is it right for say a Mexican company to sue a Spanish UA-camr and have the case held literally anywhere and say it's fair?
@@Christi-Ann.Pierantoni …wrong. dead wrong. Actually started in Britain.
I mean they could have gotten a ban and warning to not doing it again but damn, actual jail sentence and like 2 years? That's harsh and above and beyond, I can understand the "it's wrong so don't do it" side of view but nobody died, nobody was actually armed here other than maybe some company felt harmed (not that there is proof they actually got harmed) so more than a warning is a big wtf to me, I know I'm kind of an idealist but come one, let people enjoy themselves as long as it doesn't harm other too much and looking at Alcohol laws in Japan, this is just ridiculous
The justice system in Japan has never been one for "evidence of the cause"... Maybe I'm wrong but it's an outdated way of the law.
@@Wingzero90939 only east asia
Damn, copyright laws are absolutely archaic in Japan…
When you see that the guy in charge of cyberstuff in Japan doesn't know what a USB Drive is, are you really that surprised ?
And here I was thinking that Japan was at the cutting edge of technology…shows you what I know
@@Christi-Ann.Pierantoni well they are, except the people that make the cutting edge technology dont have authority over the old fashioned folks who got into the business when floppy disks were in fashion
@@g76agi I don't know man 99,7% of japanese corporations and companies still use fax, a lot. And not just to communicate with the outdated burocratie.
I'd say most cutting edge technologies today are being researched and developed in China, the USA and South Korea. Even Toyota's future Solid State Batteries were developed in cooperation with Samsung, and I believe most of the patents are run through Samsung itself.
Honestly, the whole world is so archaic. It's dumb when a company can almost have 70++years of copyright / patent and somehow they can keep extend it to infinity and the gov did nothing.
To be fair, those videos pretty much describe the movie in full. It isn't really a review. Once someone watches it, they will know the full story and probably won't watch the movie anymore.
Dang, I didn't know spoiling a movie on the internet was illegal. I guess wikipedia plot summaries should also be taken down.
Really sad to have 3 lives ruined for something so trivial in a place like Japan. From what I have read (and I know very little so correct me if I am wrong) Japanese jails are pretty horrific places to be, more comparable to US jails then European ones (in their treatment of prisoners).
Japan will have it really rough in the future. We might even be looking at a total collapse of the country
@@eriklagergren7124 yeah I actually think so too. And despite I love japan I honestly think they deserve it. I mean that country is just fucked up. Lot of stuff just shouldn’t exist in this world exist there. Probably due to the fact that they developed really fast and than collapsed. If only they could resolve their economic crisis and start some kind of movements for their rights…
@@eriklagergren7124 So a country should collapse because of bad copyright policy?
@@kappa5809 I think that person worded that poorly, Japan may have tons of ups, but it also has alot of long term problems the rest of the world doesnt really struggle with the same way, and only takes superfical and pointless means to fix the symptoms (not even the main symptoms) and ignoring the problems, or not even recognizing the problems at all. Because they dont teach economics in most Japanese schools they dont even know how fucked they are in regardes to the ecomomy. Their Copywright law barely registers as among these problems, more of a symptom really. I love Japan but I am geninuely concerned about its uncertain future and lack of meaningful positive socio-economic or cultural change.
@@haatothetomato That's true. Even I at one point thought Japan to be a country where everything works perfectly. Even had long term plans to study and work there. However, after finding out about the darkv side of Japan, I am really not sure about these plans anymore.
Japan no doubt is still a great place to live but it's definitely not the best. I think in the 90s Japan was comparable to Scandinavian countries in terms of living standards and per capita income but now it's more similer France and Italy.
The article says 解説 or explanation/ summary. Was it actually a review channel or was it a summary channel because just summarizing could bring tangible losses for copyright holders. Also fair use is a u.s. law not a youtube thing(though could be just a verbal slip by joey), and even u.s. companies can freely sue you, they just don't because youtube's copyright system brings more profit than suing a person who will just file bankruptcy after. There's a tom scott video on the whole youtube copyright mess.
How.... Why... What??????
Speaking of permission I’ve seen creators actually get approval to make a video but then one person involved with the movie will be angry and try to get the video taken down or even harass the creator.
- jail time for modding things
- Can't go places because of any tattoo
- Afraid of the number 4 and 9
- Over working employees to literal death
- and now getting Arrested just because they reviewed a film
If this doesn't show that fiction is more realistic than reality, then I don't know what will
Edit: found out that Japan doesn't have the highest suicide rates in the world, even tho I was specifically talking about Japan alone, but it's my bad still, I apologize
You forgot negative population growth numbers and adult diapers being bought more than babies being born. Sounds like something out of Children of Men.
@@andergarcia4953 well that, I didn't know about that, still awful
And thanks for pointing that out for me
you forgot that you will also get thrown in jail for a crumb of marijuana too
Wait, jail time for modding games? The Half-Life 2 community will go crazy in Japan.
Still better than america KEKW
A: "I killed a man."
B: "I rob banks."
C: "I kill people and rob banks."
D: "Please go easy on me, I narrated movie reviews."
A, B, and C: *"... GUARDSSS!!! Get me away from this celll! PLEASEEE!! I'm gonna geet KILLED!!!"*
A bit of stuff I would add
- The videos that “Fast movie” uploaded were not a movie reviews, rather a recap video summarizing movies into 10mins with narration.
- Those guys were uploading for monetary purpose
- “Fast movies” upload videos of movies produced specifically by production Companies who does not have records in Copyright infringement lawsuit so they don’t get sued.
- Film industries in Japan are estimated to lose 95.6 billion yen (roughly 90million usd) due to those unlicensed movie recap sort of videos on youtube.
-First case in Japan to have criminal procedure related to movie recap video.
I did not get why they were sent to jain and was a civil lawsuit but damn, fair use really doesn’t exist
It seems this move was aimed to attack this kind of videos, "fast movies" as they called them. They are definitely not "reaction videos", nor "reviews". Really, I find the lack of a proper coverage of the situation in this video rater disappointing.
Yeah it’s literally called “fast movie”. It’s a channel for people who don’t have time to go to theater or don’t won’t pay watching movie. Imagine if “fast anime” exist. It will definitely damage the anime industry
@@manudollfie as per usual, Joey doesn't do any extensive fact checks for his reaction article videos (even if he said he does, not very convincing since he messed up three times now afaik)
Apparently it's a suspended sentence, so they didn't actually go to jail
Fair use only exists in the US. This is something a lot of people don't realise and they end up getting fucked over because of it. Other countries have fair dealing laws, but they are nowhere near as lenient as fair use. The one thing that Japan has that is much stricter than other countries is the 2 year prison sentence. Afaik, most other countries don't put people in prison for breaking copyright laws. The fines they have could be just as devastating though. My opinion is that copyright law needs to be completely abolished all around the world, or at the very least made a lot more lenient. Copyright law in the 21st century is an absolute joke.
Too bad this isn't actually true... Fair use exists in about half the countries on earth, actually.
Copyright law is supposed to protect smaller creators too and legal protection is often an incentive for artists. Of course, the sad reality is that big companies use these laws to their advantage but I don’t think abolishing copyright laws is the answer…
Joey skipped over it, but according to this article they have got a suspended sentence.
Europe has something similar, the "Right to quote" exception. It isn't as lenient however.
and most of the time, companies just flat out ignore it in the U.S with no consequences. that's what happened around 2018-2019 where music companies were just striking for music they didn't even own and monetizing unmonetized videos through that
There is an Argentinian channel called "Te lo resumo así nomás" that practically does the same thing and they never had a problem with UA-cam or the original copyright holders... as far as I know.
@@nexustom5823 Lo bueno del internet hispanohablante es que somo mas ignorados por la misma gente que le hace la vida imposible a los creadores de contenido de habla inglesa con el tema del copyright.
@@inendlesspain4724 lol. True.
@@inendlesspain4724 eeeeeeeeso si es verdad :u
*WTF Japan?* moment right there.
Listen, I understand that you don't blame them for thier views on copyright, but really? 2 years of jail? Why can't they just claim it and make all the money they would anyway instead of resorting to such extreme measures?
It's to discorage others from doing the same, but what it actually does, is making everyone hate the company
I hate using this word but Boomers thats why they think nothing is going to change unless there is some sort of hard punishment towards every infraction even if it is very small and not malicious just to discourage others from doing it which in turn makes them start losing money and wonder why
@@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena Preeeeeeeeetty much
If you could read the article, it says that numerous copyright violation statements were being filed from different companies, and the defendant simply continued to create their contents from … the companies that they didn’t receive any complaints from. They had plenty of time to acknowledge the illegality of their activity. Plus, the article also states that they were sentenced 3-4 years of probation so they won’t be going to jail -unless they do the same thing again or commit other crimes.
This article literally says they got probation, Joey skipped over it though. And caused many people misunderstanding.
Imagine wanting to review and share your thoughts with people.
The *audacity*
I thought they were arrested for showing the entire 🍿. Or a missive portion of it. Wth? How did this happen? Clips and a still frame after it has been released? Wild. …
i don't know about this specific guy, but there are a lot of "review" channels that basically speedrun the entire plot of movies in couple minute, definitely effortless and affecting the movie
What about that japanese girl who was arrested for making anime theme cakes, Japan sometimes is a big joke
There used to be a go kart service in Kyoto where they dressed up the people in the Mario franchise costumes to resemble Mario kart
...not anymore!! Copyright claims are fun!
It’s so crazy because at the end of the day it’s free advertising! See people dressed up in karts you’ll think about playing the game. A movie studio is awesome and actually allows people to review them you’ll seek them out and watch their movies.
Things are pretty strict in Japan. I remember hearing about 2 people getting arrested one for selling a Shiny Sobble in Pokemon and the other for purchasing it
I've often wondered about where the line is drawn with regard to fair use, especially in this day and age where a bunch of reviewers and reactors are profiting off others' content using Patreon. Feels like so far a lot of copyright holders are keeping an eye close to the Patreon thing and treating it like promotion of their work, but at some point I suppose they have to crack down on it......
I saw this news the day they were arrested and ask UA-camrs like Yuta if they do seek permission from every company to use anime footage, but no one answered me. Only one thing you did not mention (or i was not paying attention) on this same piece of news you are showing on scream it is saying they got a suspended sentence, witch means they are not going to jail as long as they follow the terms of the probation. I believe the point was only to scare people from doing this type of videos.
What about the UA-cam is a company? Are they not going to protect their assets through lobbying the right laws in Japan?
From my half-assed Japanese:
TLDR of the article, The first guy got sentenced to 2 years in prison and fined 17.500 USD, the second guy got jail time for 1 year + 6 months and fined 8700 USD, and the third guy received the same 1 year + 6 months jail time and fined for 4300 USD. Although the "main" (there are more) problem arose from infringing the copyrights of Nikkatsu and Toho, the one who is actually pulling the string is *The Content Overseas Distribution Association* (CODA).
I was genuinely surprised when back then I'd learned that Joey actually has been living in Japan, considering the stuff he's been making.
His videos might not be available in japan, after all you have the tools to block your videos in specific territories.
I get the feeling they'll be gossiped about by the people around them for the rest of their lives for spending time in jail
@@teo-7242 Not only that, but Japan has a habbit of harrasing the family members, eithe rthe media or others, due to their culture
Full Japanese here. I would like to add that the sentence includes 3-4 years of probation/suspension meaning that they are not going to jail unless they commit another crime during those years.
I see people freaking out that they are immediately going to jail. No, it’s not like that.
@@keinick4569 But the article said (in this line "一方、3名の弁護側は反省の態度が見られるなどとして、執行猶予付きの判決を求めていた,") that they are (the defendants or suspect) still trying to appeal for that suspension, right? So they have yet granted that suspension. Or did I read it wrong?
Change in law can take a really long time; and it also takes a really long time to write to every rightsholder to get permission, but (at least in the eu) the permission doesn't have to be all that formal. preferably written, yes, but I do believe a produktion company with the rights could put out a written statement that allowed, for instance, the use of snippets under 30 seconds with at least 2 minutes in between each, in videos on the internet. If you get a chance to, perhaps ask for a possibility of something like that. Whilst difficult, it may be a lot simpler than trying to get fair use right away.
(I study media law at a very basic uni level, and I missed my class today, so maybe I'm wrong here, but I hope not.)
Using whole or majority of an IP is a grey area for legal issues.
Reaction videos can tread dangerous grounds.
Some companies take this to abusive levels, though.
I thought ファスト映画 was not reviews. They are abridged version of full movies. It makes a viewer able to understand the entire story without watching the full movie. Kinda like a cliff's notes version of a movie.
It's really interesting to hear and learn about japans inner politics and news. Great content Joey keep it up!
This is a good video, but there should be more talk about how conservative and pro-corporate the Japanese government is…
The problem whis this case is that they made many ”fast movies” which is literally just shortened version of the original movie and made a lot of money. And they got a suspended sentence so they won't actually be put in jail, idk why but Joey skipped over it. He is missing the point and makes a lot of people misunderstood.
I completely agree with you. Joey and all the stupid foreigners who say bad things about the Japanese judiciary are all dumb
If this is how Public Security Section 9 starts; it's rather Pathetic, The Major would NOT Approve!
Joey: "it's not until 4 or 5 years ago that the term 'youtube' & 'youtuber' were considered a normal thing & even considered an occupation"
My brain: "AHHHR YOUUU YOOUTUUBAAH?!"
It's straight up Idiotic or BS of how laws can be very scary in the world, it really baffles me of what's going on in Japan.
I´ve read an article about the case and it seems there wheren´t really reviews, what actually they did is making what is called "fast movies", where they read the entire synopsis of movies, something akin to read the plot in a Wikipedia page but also including some frames of said films, if I´ve understood correctly. Is this should be illegal or not I´m not sure.
Exactly. The title of this video is misleading. It is very obvious that Joey did not do his homework.
2 years of jail? that's the worse kind of punishment for something so harmless.
That's so messed up.
Agreed this bafflese in more ways than one
I just cant get enough of this second channel, love from Argentina
I've seen some of these. Its just a cliff notes version of the movie with alot cut out, but its still the movie with no review cutaway like normal reviews.
Yes, while I fully agree that the copyright law in Japan is obsoleted, the videos these youtubers got arrested for are not even remotely close to what you'd expect from movie reviews. I'd say that this arrest was fairly reasonable and Joey is being a bit too sensational here.
@@aa-ml6ur the arrest does not seem reasonable a fine sure or even blocking or deleting their channel is even more reasonable than just arresting them for a few years paired with a fine
@@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena
I'm pretty sure it's more of a warning to other youtubers. The police sometimes do this. They don't try and arrest every single one of them, just arrest a few with heavy penalties to pressure people not to do it.
@@aa-ml6ur This won't really pressure people to not do it it would just pressure people to not talk about the stuff meaning less sales of the thing
@@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena For that matter, you still have the option to make proper movie reviews
確かに日本の法律は「自由の国」に比べてあらゆる面で厳しい。
でも、それが例えば治安の良さの違いにつながってたりもする。
I love that the content on this channel is so diverse and broad, it could make even Chris Broad look thin :)
Chris Broad do be kinda wide n thicc
Joey, that wasn't movie reviews. They just explain story of movies with spoiler.
Regardless, none of that warrants huge compensation or jail time.
This is interesting with MADs. Most of the times companies and animators are aware of them, and despite being illegal, they secretly support them by not taking action and just not talk about it publicly. Some even give permission to create sakuga MADs. This is pretty cool of them to do, but I think there should be more leeway for fair use laws in Japan.
When you said, "fair use," I was thinking but Japan isn't America; they have their own laws. Even so, this is crazy. Too bad about the jail time and fines.
I guess Police needs to do in Japan when there isn't crime until crime is out of charts.
Arrest the most f*ck up crime or arrest the most innocent crime, there's no in between.
On one hand, regular motivated(one backed with a actual reason) homicide isn't really high in Japan, but my god Japan has witnessed fucking massive heists and massacres, like the recent attack in the subway on Halloween. Also.......Yakuza........yeah. It's crazy to think that in Japan, either nothing will happen, or a huge massacre would ensue alongside the shady business that happens in the back alleys of Kabukicho and Osaka.
I thing I really have to edit my videos more. Even tho im not even in japan or japanese youtuber, but as my kontent related to it... I really didnt want to ended up like that. I really have to learn more about this. Thanks for the info.
Reminds me of TotallyNotMarks situation.
I fucking hate Japans copyright laws.
Im very thankful for content like this because it stopped me from thinking about moving to Japan. Im from Germany and we too have a ton of old people, a lot of the problems are alike. However stuff like this, insane. Another country off the "free" list.
Next Japanese news headline: Youtuba gets arrested for playing "loud summer cicadas" sound.
Or yells at them for making noise and the cicadas get arrested
"UA-camr gets arrested for talking about article about youtuber getting arrested".
Like what? Some stock sound effect?
I can't believe they take movie review seriously instead of putting bench at the park.
I think you should mention the concept of "fast films." This is not a simple problem with fair uses.
As far as I hear, what they were making are not film reviews but film summaries. More and more people who don't want to bother watching all the popular films just watch the "fast films" and get it over. And that annoys filmmakers.
movie recap channels, basically
I swear Japan's justice system is possibly one of the most terrifying in the developed world, a 99% conviction rate doesn't happen in a system that is functioning properly and things like this only make it scarier.
The 99% conviction rate is a lie. In Japan, you are guilty until proven innocent. Unless you can prove that you're innocent, many people who have been convicted are pressured or even harassed to admit guilty to a crime they may not have committed, ensuring that the police have caught someone to be responsible (even if they're innocent), thus adding to their conviction rates.
@@Meimoons that’s false. In Japan you are innocent until proven guilty like any other country. The problem is not that part of the law that’s fucked up, it’s the people. As you said they try to find a reason to find you guilty at every cost and they don’t take their job seriously, partially because the system allows you to do so. I’m just saying it because in case something even happens to you, just resist and without a confession of proof they can’t do sh*t.
@@Meimoons Yeah maybe I worded it poorly but that was kind of my point. A 99% conviction is completely impossible without extreme levels of corruption... allegedly
@@powwowken2760 I guess you played Ace Attorney
Ace Attorney really shows the truth, Japanese legal system is a joke, worse than most developing countries, not even going to compare it to developed countries. This makes Phoenix Wright an even greater hero of a defence attorney.
@@abhishekdasgupta9239 do you seriously believe Ace Attorney is an exact mirror of the real legal system in Japan? That’s worse than weeks claiming that the Japanese life is the same as anime.
I'm Japanese but I think this video is lacking in explanation. And the comment section helped me understand why Japan is often misunderstood on the internet.
A step backwards for society in Japan, man was going to prison over a movie review.
when a guy gets 2 years for making movie reviews but the teenagers responsible for the Junko Furuta case get only a few years, thats when you know that japan's law is fucked.
I think each country has their own fucked laws.
@@kaeri1853
You're not wrong... It's a shame on all sides.
@@kaeri1853 ok and?
She literally gone through 40 days of hell. 40 fuckin' days of abuse torture and many more... f japan honestly. tho I love ani this ain't it chief
don't forget the japanese cannibal that is still free to this day
Im watching this and just thinking about the Twitch Streamers who got booted for bold-faced streaming anime to thousand of people 🤔
Fair use Act only exist in the United States.
You gotta know your laws in whatever country you live in (it's common sense). UA-cam as a US company has the fair use thing because that alligns with the United States laws that allows UA-cam to host your videos, so UA-cam will always allow you to upload anything as long as it comforms to the US laws but the country you live in has the right to apply its laws above everything else if the copyright holder asked for it, especially if the copyright material is from that country .
Going to Japanese court (or any other country that isn't the US) and saying "But but ma fair use" is not gonna help you much unless your country has similar fair use inspired laws (still most are not as leniant and open as the actual USA fair use but it can work in countries like Canada and the UK).
If you think Japan's copyright laws are strict then you should know the whole word's copyright laws are strict lol, some countries just choose to apply their laws and others turn a blind eye.
UA-cam kinda gave poeple the illusion that fair use is a "universal thing" but again it is just a USA thing, some countries have also more friendly copyright laws but most of the rest of the world isn't.
But even in english speaking countries, people don't generally literally go t.o jail for copyright infringement. japanese law seems extreme in some cases
Do they really review the movies, like Roger Ebert style or are they one of those channels that just retell the story of a movie to give people the illusion that they have watched the movie?
If the later then I have no sympathy for them regardless of copyright. Because that kind of “review” murders the art and the purpose of a movie. People who watch those kind of video to get to know a movie will never experience the art anymore.
4:28 Damn Joey is making twitch streamers nervous
2 years and mega amounts of fines... thats f'd up
It's incredible that Japan is so advanced is a lot of things, but is still in the "middle ages" in certain things!!
Loved this video! the insights to the dynamics of cultures in asia is super cool! When I went to china it blew me away just how different things are over there, you can see what shit looks like when you have almost 0 interference from western cultures for most of history up until very recent times.
この動画のタイトルを見て勘違いしてしまった。「ファスト映画」と呼ばれるものを何か知らなかったから概要を知らべたけど、これらは所謂映画の批評や解説の動画ではないんだね。映画本編そのものをおよそ10分に短縮編集した映画/動画ってことでしょ。しかも動画によって金銭的な利益を上げている。今まで野放しになっていただけで権利者が訴えさえすれば最も寛大なアメリカのフェアユース法に当てはめても著作権侵害になると思うけど。
Couldn't a work around this be to setup a LLC in a different country i.e US or Australia/New Zealand, so when these companies come after you the jurisdiction of your channel if held in a different country. I'm no lawyer nor a expert in any laws of other nations but wouldn't it be possible?
Joey, you could have mentioned that they were not reviews. They were summaries of movies with scenes from the movie and a narrator summarizing the whole story over it. Thus, even if Japan had the same fair use laws as America, they would have been sued to hell and back regardless. Also, they had uploaded like 2k+ monetized videos from 55 accounts and were making huge bank off content that was definitely not fair use. You must have known all this since you're half-Japanese and can read all the news articles about the case. But I guess a video title implying that a Japanese youtuber gets arrested just for making movie reviews gets more views, huh?
Joey is causing quite a bit of misunderstanding in this video.
On top of that, Joey skipped over the fact that they got probation, which is pretty vicious.
Ive seen channels on youtube that basically give you a condensed version of a movie with all plot points. They spoil the whole movie and it is not a review.
UA-cam doesn’t have a fair use policy, the US has a fair use law, and there are many similar laws in many countries, but not in japan.
What UA-cam have that is unique is the content ID system and how copyright holders can use that to retroactively give you the right to use their copyrighted material in exchange for your video revenue. But they can also take you down, it’s up to them, in most cases.
Assuming the DMCA is offical...